C08 (How to Write Better Research Papers for CHI) - Part 1

2:04PM Apr 22, 2022

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Lennart Nacke

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Hi, everyone, welcome to how to write better research papers for CHI, our CHI 2022 course. I'm excited that you are joining us this morning. Work with our SV that we have the opportunity to to be able to record this. It will be password protected reporting, which will go up on that notion page writing.chicourse.com where you'll be, which is this page. We're just switching over there real quick. And how about we move Lennart into a corner? Yeah, and we don't need my entire notion in there. So yeah, you get a little bit of an idea here of what's happening today. You can see our timing information. You're here. Obviously it's worked out. I will be checking in the chat every once in a while, but please feel free. If you have a question. I have the participants list as well to just hit the raise your hand function. And I'm just I need to monitor a little bit that I make sure that everyone gets in here. How about I make some calls? That will make things a bit easier. Okay. All right. So that's all good. I think everyone's in here now. You can also you should have any spotlights so that you can see I think I've done that for everyone. So if I could just get a quick confirmation, maybe the use of thumbs up button. This is also a great test if we can use a thumbs up reaction kind of like this. And that way I know that everything is spotlighted and you have any sort of on the large screen, which should just make it a little bit easier because I'll turn myself into this tiny corner version of Leonard so that you can see the slides and everything in the foreground. That's the idea. And yes, please keep saying hello to everyone. Read everyone in the chat. This is awesome. I know we are all in different time zones. I just had a nice little breakfast and get started for this entire day of K paper writing. So I'm excited to be here. Yeah, so one of the things that I wanted to point out I managed to send you the wrong tally link I'm so sorry for that was pretty late last night that I did that. Maybe I'll keep monitoring that if anyone's struggling with some of that stuff. Stuff. So that's no problem. You should be able to fill out the form right here. If you haven't done so please feel free to do it now. And I'll take some time during the lunch break to have a look at it. And it's really just kind of to help me know where you stand and what you want to get out of this and helps us get a bit of a better idea. of some of that stuff. If we oops, scroll all the way down summary. That's what we want. Yeah, so I just wanted to get an idea. What other conferences do you submit to outside of CHI? This was just to get an idea of what folks are doing. So this is just a nice little thing for us to have a look at here. So we got you know, assets in there, which is an accessibility conference, Auto UI, C&C. We've got a couple of CHI PLAY people really excited to see you sort of the conference that I got started with a long time ago. Actually didn't get started with started the conference. But yeah, so that's CHI play. We got CSCW. This year, quite a few people HDRI couple of mobile HCI people you become pretty good spread over the major conferences here. It's really nice to see and just kind of see what other people are doing assistive technology, social computing, health care, which is super, super great field. Specifically for me. I always like you know, health care and HCI and health care and games and all that stuff. Yeah, we got more in there. HCC physics, social VR, human computer interaction, which is kind of what we're doing anyways. Right? Like, I guess it's sort of thing, the larger thing psychology product design, extended reality. So a couple of really good mix from everyone to see to see what's going on here. Yet, what's on your mind. I'll read through those later. For more

along the lines of what you're expecting, we said Shauna, we got a lot of empirical people here, no surprise there. That's sort of the major thing here. This is nice. This was mainly an exercise for you to actually kind of write down why you believe your research is interesting. This will help you in today's in today's exercise, and then if we look at publications, we'll get some people that have quite a few here, already. One pretty senior person with 30 among us, so you're probably watching this out of curiosity. But we've got a couple of juniors here, which is nice to see. People that haven't really published that that much, which is really what we're looking at here. And then of course, if we're looking at the submissions, right, there's usually quite a few submissions for the people that have traits meeting. And we've got, again, lots of junior people that haven't actually submitted yet. So for you, this is going to be super valuable that you're going to find out some of the core information about this course. And again, I'll keep if you haven't submitted, definitely submit again, I will definitely read all of these and I will discuss that a little bit and maybe add it to the mural board as well. Yeah, so this is our notion page. Again, and here you can see the cost structure. And I will, I will talk about that in my slides as well. Just kind of giving you a rough overview. I'll do a lot of introduction. Usually Leonard likes to talk so we're going over that Doug's a little bit, so forgive me but I'll try to fit everything in the schedule is really just a rough outline. And hopefully, we'll have a little bit of a switch back and forth between the breakout rooms, and they don't need to be breakout rooms at the start. I'll probably switch it more towards that second half, that we'll actually do breakout rooms and that way you can have those intimate discussions among each other. But at the start, I think we can just all hop into the mirror board and that will make the bit easier. Okay. So that is good to know. And then here you can check your group so we will have groups later on. So maybe if I switch it over to the presentation, if I switch it over to the mirror board. And let's see, we're going to be Yeah, we'll have breakout groups right here. So that's the second part and then we'll get into that. And then as you can see, you'll all have like Team Blue will have a board team purple will have a board. Team Green will have a board team yellow will have a board and then Team Red will have a board so that's why it's important to know your team or your team color. And we'll go to the discussion. And then this will be the last exercise Okay, so let's get started again and go all the way back to the start here. With heart a little welcome. And that brings us back to this introduction here. So the password I will be posting in one second. Actually I can already posted but don't get. Don't get too excited yet. But here is the password. So you can already log into mural. But please focus on the presentation at the beginning and then once we all move over into mural, you can go in there but this is the password ky 2022 Writing maybe you can actually try if it works. So because I had an issue before that I think I did the spelling capital and non capital but I think this time I didn't spell it in capital letters. So this should actually work. Okay, perfect. That works. Awesome. That's good to know. And yes, of course the slides will be made available. I actually tried to hit that button earlier, but I will be actually you know what, hold on. I was just thinking about that. Let's just zoom out of here. See where I add them? No, no, I'm in presentation mode. So I can't really share that. Yes, if you just give me a second here because I just hit that button and then just didn't want to give me the link for some reason. So let's try that again. This is going to be a bit more amenable change to anyone with the link

Copy Link. I kind of changed Yeah, well use the link. I don't know why this link is not working.

Oh, here here we go. Sorry. Lennart apparently has to figure out how to work. Google Docs. Yeah, so that's what I was asking about my image earlier. So it should be there should be a button to pin me for everyone. I don't know why. I can't do that for everyone. But if you right click on my image on those three little dots there is a little thing that says Add pin. So you should pin me so everyone should do that right now. Um, depending on how your how your zoom is set up. I don't know why I can't put that in here for everyone. I read about it that there is a functionality that you can do that. But basically that's what you want to do at pin. So let me just do a quick screenshot of that to do and I'll toss that into into our notion here as well. pop on over here and put that here. Put that under the table maybe. And paste. So this is how that looks like add pin right like that's what you want to do. Maybe I'll move that up easier if we put it somewhere here Tada Yeah. Yeah, so that's what you want to do. Just click on the Add Pin button so that I am pinned for you. If you use gallery, you can go to the top right corner and select to view and then choose speaker. Okay, URL, that's a great tip. You know what, we're going to copy that over there and put that in the notion as well for anyone. That's just joining us right now, just to make sure everyone is up to date on the stuff perfect. And we'll highlight that as well. Call caller Okay, so we got that. Thank you. Everyone should be able to have access to that full screen right now. Please make sure to take those notes here and you know what I will also do copy that link in here and toss that in here as well.

Typing is hard. Google Slides and now you have those as well. Make it pretty. Okay. So I've got mirror boards zoom called Google Slides, why not make them bold?

Okay, and it's trying to talk too fast. All right. That's that. Alright, so you have all the information available now it should be easy. Let's hop back into we're actually doing which is a wonderful course here how to write better research papers for CHI. And I know I've kind of moved myself in the middle so that you have all my information here. Yeah, I've taught this course for seven years at CHI. Now. I'm kind of excited to teach it again for CHI 2022 because now I've kind of you know, turn it into a product. I'm kind of doing all this stuff on my own website these days, and I'm really excited that I can get to be part of CHI as well. What are my credentials? Why should you be listening to me? Well, I'm a member and inaugural Chair of the Calculate steering committee. I started the conference together with some others. In 2014. I served as a chair for two terms from 2014 until 2018, which means really just giving the conference direction I'm still on the steering committee, but I'm about to retire actually. I just became a full professor. So now it's like, what do you do? Yeah, retired then I became content share in 2014. Of course, when it started and then came back in 2019. I was papers chair. I'm currently pips chair for Cafe actually in 2022. And that was picture from interact in 2019 as technical program chair for CHI and 2015. I'm currently an associate editor at the International Journal of Human Computer studies, which is one of the top ranked journals for HCI. And I've been an AC in an essay for Kiat for at CHI for nine years. So I've done this for a while, and I have a feeling that maybe I should toss myself into a corner. Make it a bit better. All the way over here, Leonard. That's good. Because then I can use pointers and stuff as Primo. Alright. So back to this. And this is if you're interested in this. If you want to know more, if you want to, you know keep learning continue this journey, you can always go to K course.com, which is where that online courses is based on and if this is something that you really enjoy, and feel free to follow up on that just bookmark that. It'll be an opportunity to do that or shared with your students if you really liked it afterwards. The feedback that I've gotten is it's been really positive and helpful so far. Okay, so what are we going to do today? I already talked about that a little bit in the notion. So this is New Orleans time, so your time might be completely different, but you're all here so I'm guessing everyone's kind of get a little bit of the idea of how we best do that. In terms of timing. We have six hours today. Can you believe it six hours a lot of time, but luckily, it's structured in bits and pieces. First, we'll have my presentation. Yeah, talk a bit about copywriting. And, again, feel free at any point in time during this to just hop in and ask some questions, right? Like I'd be more than happy for us to just figure out if we can get a little bit of feedback on what's happening. Get a little bit more. Yeah. Insight into is this useful for you? Can you do anything with that information? Just in general, like how does this help you become a better writer or am I covering all of the questions? Or not? So that's helpful for me to see that as well. So, this is the I think I would say this is the the general structure. One of the things that I said earlier, which is kind of important is taken with a grain of salt. We'll be seeing if we can hop back and forth out of these six hours today. And what I'm looking for is some sort of, you know, flexibility specifically when we do breakout groups that we have some information. Okay, so, all right, that's good to know. Yeah, just a message for some people. So maybe you've shared the link with some other people, but you do have to be registered in here. So if the SV contacts you and you're in, in the participants, right now, if you haven't registered, make sure to just head over to the car registration. You could do that right now. Your registration and then you can pop back into the course. Yeah, so just in case the SP is contacting you and you haven't actually rested registered to just make sure and Sangguk for those people that you have to get out. Maybe you can just follow up with them really quickly. And just send them that information that it's still possible to just register quickly.

We're still at the start. So if you want to get the rest of the day, why not head over to the pirate? station and get into this course. Okay, so all that being said, yeah, what we'll do today is all of the structure will have a couple of exercises. Some reason I removed a space there. Anyway, those are the learning goals off today. What we want to cover mainly is to understand the structure and the style of high flavors of typefaces. So that's really at the heart of it, like how do we structure it look in detail at some of the abstracts from last year's best papers actually. I'll give you a couple of tips about style. And then we'll explore how to frame high practice how to sell your research in the abstract and introduction because that's really when a lot of that stuff happens and then learn how to build a paper from the bullet points about your research. Okay. So let's get started with this idea about CHI paper writing what is this situation? Anything What is even happening with the spaces in your arm, you know, must have been Google Slides thing yesterday, so forgive me. Somebody teach us about writing is not getting those bases right in his in his headings here. Anyway, so everything starts with a research question. And this is kind of important. I get that a lot from junior researchers. From you know, sometimes your fresh PhD students getting started interested in some of the intricacies of the paper and you have an idea, right like you've let's say you've done a little bit of what we call it a little bit of industrial research in your undergrad. Let's say you've done a an observation, let's say actually been trained in doing an fMRI or EEG are some physiological measures. And now you're excited about that and you're thinking I want to do my PhD about that specifically. No, that's not bad. That's usually how we want to start with a research paper. We have an E to A research method to some sort of practice that you want to be part of. But for a research paper, you have to dial it back a bit and think about how can I get the right method for the questions? I'm asking because research paper is focused on that first, that's part of it is always to identify the problem which is coming from that research question. And then you trying to solve that problem through the structure of the program. And this is really where you think about what do you want to find out to make better evidence based decisions? So this is not just for paper writing this also if you were not I teach a lot of UX in my day as a professor, and so if you want to do good UX research, you would always start with that too, because these evidence based decisions are things that stakeholders will do after the fact as well. So you will be working. If you're a UX designer, UX researcher, you'll always be working with a business you will be working with business stakeholders, and those will want to make evidence based decisions and to create a tool for making those decisions. You want to be made with a research question. Now, what is a great question? Well, it is actionable and practical. I capitalize that but I'm really having trouble with his typography on those slides. Anyways, so specific, actionable and practical. Those are the three things that you want your research question to be. And this is this comes from an essay from Erica Hall, the prolific UX writer, and it really hones in on the key aspects when you're thinking about something you know how well I give this example Yeah, how well can Robles steel and fiberglass food right it starts with how or why or what is always a good start for a research question. You don't know answers they do you want to put things comparison and you want to understand how one thing influence the other thing. Now we could go into this whole thing about to design if we take on our psychology had we look at independent variables and all of that. But before we go to that depth, that's a whole different course.

I want you to think about research questions like that you choose your thoughts based on this research question. So you want to ask them specific, changing this big thing, making it actionable because at the end, you want outcome to your guidance. That's part of what presenting research papers and Action section and then you want it to be the impact beyond the paper. If you get that. I don't want to write the data, it will make the paper writing so much easier because you're going through that process. So keeping in mind those small points is really key to get started with a good research question. So we want to help to zero now. This is the part where you can actually use that password that again, this is CHI 2022 writing all in small letters and enable you to get into the exit page mode and there is everyone. Beautiful Okay, so I'll zoom out a bit, but keep in mind, there's always behind me right now. So that's, that's me. I'm in pointer mode, yada yada so you can see that. So on my right corner, you'll see that little button. Always click on that and make sure your 100% and then move around because that's the zoom level to be in here on the bottom corner here. What I'm actually looking at here because a mirror, but you get it right, right like it's the 110 corner that you want to have here. Okay, and then you can zoom out in between if you want to. But while this is really exciting, and we can hop on here, once you get over here, this page we're looking at, what's your research question? And if we zoom in I've tried to put it on 100 because the the wetland pilot what is my fight here? So this is an example that I gave you. I just put in one that one of the PhD students did he was looking at all the activities. So one research question that you asked, What are the greatest barriers for older adults to engage in physical activity? Right this is one of the things that we do do and then what I want you to do is to use the Tag button here and obviously, if you if you want to see all of that here that you could watch as well if you missed my explanation here, it's easy to go back over here. You grab one of these guys with over here and then double click on it to start typing research question in there but but to do that right now, have your favorite color. Color into another favorite. If you want it's not so important to add a tag the tags got to be your name, last name. And then if you want you can, again give you a tag column. Maybe something that doesn't clash too much your actual theme

posi and then you can give it a little nerdy Motown team you don't have to do that personal expense right. So let's let's do this right I'm gonna start a timer so that everyone in this and

I'm gonna hit now give you a quick minute exercise. Start with a music here. I don't know if you can hear that. music wise, and Oh, yeah. Thanks, Ron for posting that link again. Again, the links are all in the note. Up open them for yourself as well. So just try not to clash and overlap with other folks and responded with enough spots on the board to be moving things around. So just move it further down. If you go. And it's a nice question, but that's not a rich question. So try to try to get a question in here that is relating to your own research. And again, you don't have to give anything away. You don't have to you know, be too specific if you don't want this to be something along the lines of doesn't need to be an expert in your area of research. What would be a good and then again for your name, you could just put it here and then there so four can do that for you. You would do this and then we would tag your name right here. And then you got yourself a little tag I don't don't need anymore. Perfect. Then we'll just put it here. Alright. So everyone's clear

right now. And neuron saying let's get you out of there. Put you in a tag. The tag there we go.

Awesome. Progress. You still got four minutes. Question. Does everyone museum oh that I turned on

so much. You can oh somebody with a frame Okay. Cool. Starting to look with the users from separate applications to a collective metaverse. I like that one. Don't do anything. When I read reads all the stuff sometimes and I'm not 100% in

in jargon. That's it. Jargon then I was just like, is it just because people in the meta or proto mme is something that I haven't heard before. Right. So to me that would be like in the paper and of course, the question that's fine in the paper. Jiang then have to explain the metaverse is before the quest. So you kind of have a little introductory sentence explaining the jargon. But that's perfectly fine. You can create create a lot oops Oh, what happened here? I see you to the distance. So you just double click the boats to put the clips and as some of you can also change the font a little bit. Just double click into the notes. Then

attribute tagging Here we go. So process pretty simple. Then, click on Add Tag button put a name in there. Hit enter.

You got tagged as yourself a little put a Purple Heart in there okay. Oh, I like this was like okay, I'm gonna go long. So once you're done, just click on it and then make sure that you're a medium size for your post on those sites. We've taken a lot of space. I'll take care of it for you. Boom. There we go. All righty. And then your name on it. Okay. If you'd be anonymous, that's fine too. If you feel like I don't want to put my name and yeah, then you can do that. He's like how to write a good category. research question folks. Write a good type of light cord. This one's good. Measure and improves learning experiences. Learning Environments really nice. Has a target group specific it's called. It's actually because it's an improving students learning experiences. So at some point you want to improve the learning and then hyper teach teaching environments. So that's nice. Oh, that's hot. Lead on this team. Alright, here we go. Let's have a look at this now the time you can like you want to. I'll be going through some of these. Just pick some examples but so far, it's looking really good. I gotta say 100% again. Yeah, so this one is pretty general one spaced in academic discussions. Yeah, you kind of have to maybe a little bit more specific, but I think it's a good test, you know, challenges face, but you know, online discussions. For what in what environment discussions take place. How can I pan the screen and Mirim if I click and then it becomes an organ you can press spacebar, it becomes a little ahead and then you can so click or press spacebar in the hand and then you can sorry, I should explain that would make it a bit easier for folks. Alrighty, so that was a pretty good one this month as a viewer synchronisation through the proposal. Act anxiety level Yeah. Interesting, because specific behavior synchronization proposed communicated. Again, we would want to write the question in a way we don't introduce too much jargon and too much anything

along the lines of it's yeah, it's unknown. Not have to write that extra secretary in the jargon, but she'd be like, Okay, so

the proposed coming into the UK, and they say, like, what interface and that'll, that'll make it a little bit clearer

how to make museums mark. I love that. One. You got museums, we got more accessible the Pacific in terms of like, what does it mean to be more accessible?

So that's keep in mind, but that actually sounds really exciting. Project to me.

But something to keep in mind there. Yeah. What else do we have? He just joined the tissue side of children with visual impairments. That's a good one too. Just want to make sure that I keep an eye on time because we just hopped over.

Okay. We know how much time we got left, but we got to go over this because we got an hour left into a break just keep that in mind. About that. Okay, yep. Franklin. Problem, feel free to run the course.com brings you to the notional site that has links to Google Slides the mirror board and you're already doing cause. Okay, easy peasy. All right. So then we have what factors are in successful onboarding of college students in learning? cursive, select on what factors play a role in the settlement, college students in learning. It's interesting to

have the interactions well in this one successful onboarding, I guess Yeah. Factors specific again, you'd be specific about good stuff. How do you the interactions between payments is different between the real road

brain real person will be able to take one out that point really good, you know, what makes it so you got interacts with the Pinterest. You obviously know what you're doing right? So you have two things that you want to compare a therapist and then you have a real brain injury, Revelation. to rehabilitate. You're already so many links, there that you can compare your salary value. But this is big, smaller next, toss it into or you can do you can just on size and then take call and then I guess I'll just add the tech for you. Okay, so what's the position of yours? Towards a special needs 1819 pandemic. Interesting because what actually, you know, opens up a space that we could move

towards digital. Keeps it a little bit at that point. Definitely a good jumping off point for questions. During the COVID-19 specific specific questions or less specific what different models pretty general they could find that question become more specific, more actual.

It's a great setup. Started, if you want to be more useful for your paper. Then just keep them at home and practice. We know action will assure up turns on all models. Why why find all these girls and what they know. So that they would be some of that information about the toxicity and how it be conducted. The same for how gamification mechanism that motivates you. Right, like, think about what the gamification is. What kind of uses sort of what is out there, right, and that's kind of important. Let's go ahead. And then one of the best combo both fitness tracker weightlifters Harley sounds really good. You're already best designed for the greatest custom section, he will be discussing specific technique and in terms of Olympic lifters, niching everything a little bit easier. It's done quite well here. How can it be argued about STDs in concrete sustainability? Okay, again, we've been specifically on game SDGs we're gonna want to define right like

what does that I don't know, nothing. increase sustainability and then wanting to be more specific than middle schools. And so it increases the awareness already. So Chad has set this up really nicely and to have an outcome because we

make the discussion section later. So if we have automation motivators and social media calculation, really nice, but why this is a good, but it's missing to tie into a problem, which will then be more patient will make up for that question. So why counter the problem? Right? What are the user perceptions on social media that that maybe motivation isn't support? Within what content? Right because maybe a social media person and what's the third one interacting smarter, pretty easy question. Again, why PDF like detecting boxes, actually, you know, like what kind of cognitive

part of how can control a benefit for a job, so that's nice in specific control that is the outcome and it's looking at specific type of thing. Again, Aaron is up here. Only thing maybe it would be like within what with what scenario? Benefit VR accessibility. What getting, doesn't need to make the research question but think

things you have to think about us. It's nice in terms of research, we are looking pretty good

touch on on. Every one is actually won one. Back here, feel free to if you missed this, in case you're sticking in there.

And it makes it a little bit easier. Sort of later on again, but if we're kind of blanking Do I have anything to think about?

Some of these as examples. What you could phrase a question that will make things Okay. Okay. pools, and, again, feel free to come back. One of the things that you could, we could do next. So I wanted to

start with watching online this kind of control command, right click and copy the copy, and then we're here and pasted.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Taste okay, and you have a credit. Priority. Ovation grips. Yeah. And so why do we need a project helps you if you have questions, make sure you do. You could even make a habit that you say every lab but you didn't

do it in your team, you would post some research questions and let's toss them on a whiteboard because I know privatization. That makes it really easy to figure out how you research so one of the things you have is impact and you have feelings, right? So have your resume as an academic online discussions, and again, this is called projection. You know, feel free to taste yours over here. Don't worry that we have the original on on the other side. Once you paste it, okay, what is this? I would say it has some meaning back in terms of faith in academic online. I'd say that's easy to conduct. An online study you could make a new survey to address that. Implementation is pleasing.

Like it it will facilitate online discussion. Have a big hug Yeah. Not to make you upset that you know, it's probably has the biggest impact. But like in terms of society to add to make an impact. And again, it doesn't have to be something to think about, right? Because like me, online, it's

like how much does it think about? So I was busy moving around a VR game about his students Okay. Why don't I play music is what everyone's moving. So I'm here again. Okay. Do this shouldn't take this fine. Funk sounds good. That's pretty funky. Coffee, you got to make that smaller. Too big. Yeah. All over you. Are you alright? Okay, again, notes click on writer I guess some people just move ideally so that the original songs okay

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okay, so the message is here the best is my mom's board it's 2022 writing.

In case you came in a little bit late. Get back here. Again, it's completely dead so I get a different opinion I mean, you know, I could move stuff on but

I'm pretty sure everyone could make an argument. Why would it be in the upright quad? Let's learn it's like something. higher impact. I don't actually think that has the, you know, impacts your onboarding. feasibility is something that really, really isn't and nearly always the case. Time's up all right. For the situation. Current courteous. Yeah, something No. Learning expectancy. I can like learning experience is good like again, you know might be is connected. So I think it's subjective so I'm gonna leave you with that one privatization. This usually happens in organizations we like that. One of the things like the impact on these pains, helping them like really directly affect doing something like I love doing it, but it's not you know, it's not giving me that that's about to die, you know? Like, subtle. Like I'm one against racism in the ladder that like might have the highest in federal. But is that like, what are the big five something like what guidance Do you know I don't think anything that's implied by sort of the Lakers changing to see how this is good. Students are you really like it? Wouldn't you put it in high tech or have high impact?

Just because you're doing these pegs usually something where we look at something significant in life and it's not always easy to see if you know, the psychology of my problem.

But things clarified this exercise for you, too. Yeah. And there do we iterate on our results to make the impact heritability map that's one of the things that is really when you're getting

to think impact. Visibility is not only needs to be you know, it can be some might be to the time constraints if you need a PhD. You know, some sort of situation, you're in where you are a chain or something like that. I think it's a really cool

environment within which you're assessing to us you know, ideally even a really physical as you have it is impact right? So it's really good. Different things to me and where I changed the lives of you the MPs have br X R, or something, depending, and Pac Man to think about this question a bit differently, but don't necessarily have to do that right. Next, to actually go and do something that you do. That you're trying to exercise, maybe research conduct, Smokey the boat and have that one person prioritize something that you have more of a common one may have impacted sketching someone it has beyond sketching Yeah, of course. Definitely. thinks that, you know, games. Interesting. Yeah. You know, when we search for IDs, and that's more just as you're getting older. This is just something that kind of becomes more of a right to do something just to change the way we have an impact with Yes, Assam hasn't been on our committee Rob. sites in general will be common. In the ivory tower, in the place with a kind of only thing very very specific, but it's nice to zoom out once in a while and you just kind of you've prompted somebody PhD two PhDs and it is something that I think is nice at the top just rethinking but also we you know, many professors we have in the room process as the best to go into that game. All I do is I framed for impact society. That's where you're gonna get to think about these larger issues in the grants that we have. In Canadian society, that means understanding in society might be useful to society works. Its is privatization a little bit of more currently, I think, you look at the script and you want to do a little bit of wanting to be you know, high impact except for a

remote project. I like that. It's, it's hard to mental environment. correctly here, and how do we is it possible again, museums is a very specific communities very specific topic. You know, this isn't good enough, where you send it in and within wanting to impact right.

And, again, you do the private coalition, why don't we have to get back was like, time to complete the research. Privatization, I do the direct impact and feasibility to meet instruments to

complete the research. equipment available, how differently feasibilities a little bit of time because, again, you might think you can do something

really difficult. So then we introduced this train properly at that point. And something that you might want to read I popped back into this one still over here and look at this, I want to back up our slots. So in there happened with my system? Definitely. Okay. So we said this is really wanting to answer the research question. Then. Of course, there is also a process for creation of right, applications and those right like cost figures usually that paper on the minute

this sort of thing. And now you have to revise and resubmit. So it's kind

of changing options. That's how you you tackle. Probably like a institution. Let me just close the tabs. Yeah, so you

that's not where the work ends. Which you're done with that a little backstage pass and behind the scenes you talk a little bit of

caring and dealing with three core questions and these questions are people that are engaging papers for the first time. Paper present a sketches. Original action is significant. And original, the hard the main thing that people are looking for

will always validity will be demonstrated and if I can in here to kind of show you those instructions me up into our Okay, let's pop over there. Green Yeah, so if we pop over here you thing and one of the things you gotta know also like for PCs, you have like difficult is

that something where you also used prison system that's the system doing case and there's different rights during the submission is different 50 Different things that get us the key members of the program so usually the access to certain parts. Turning the reviewers what can they see what can they do? Question by being discussed to come in the settings are things such as you know, what type of decision can we record waves as you're going through different sites we throw the entire system into effect just to let you know to pull back when somebody isn't engaged, this is the stuff that's happening on the back end there, and then click on see all this. This is interesting. The review is blocked but once your chair or papers air handling level you do it because you do have to deal with the people in your author names that external reviewers or the eighth handling those can usually they're just so that the way or the external your

names on the the table to the right but this isn't the people that seem to be aware of so it's not really double blind. It's

upper level and the numbers are with us. Keep in mind it's just single blind so it's just not review is usually happening.

You binding the system and got a different course that I'm also teaching at this year's CHI that next week. Most people that are thankful we have a couple in here

but they're retiring. Anyways I want to show you giving to people so this actually is the submission form because we added a lot of extra work into how our process works, except with minor revisions, so it didn't reject it and getting people into the into the

mix. As you know here you know title authors chemo provides document original document and accessibility things just like we'll talk in the sub. This is essentially something like

select what from conference to conference. That is a book that has kind of once we die but in Taipei with conference you submitting for within might be slightly different. But yeah pakai artifacts

research which was bigger category these people just pandemic change. Logical because not really big high five is something to do with the occasional

study coming to HCI keep in mind here you know, we got contribution quite 100 berries in the same way. We introduced for the first year. quite proud of

the paradigms now. And again, this is more for my main research paradigms. You love what people subscribe to because that will walk you through that same school of thought by that you don't have a balance of like theory and you know, what's coming out of that. It's like I

want that right like we want to do you know what the office up here. Sarah can have artists contribution so that's correct. In through design environments kind of something where you specifically look at among my 10,000 photo there I actually have, oh, over the other this paper that we have in Miro that is partially that's actually

my microseconds a sort of ability to specify similarly simple work that's a good example of a doing a research create here is a problem that face it doesn't meet in the abstract, but one of them said this as your mismatch between data layout and the the user spent effort in data.

research question would have been can be improved trade between data and design that talks right? Good. Country. What is a problem number two, that candidate solution you helped a little bit and of these articles. Again, that's pretty shocking that precision meeting is a little bit different for Kyle. But again, the thing I'm reading something that you know, without are actually just over internal, not because we were so up on

this one it's actually got a heading situation Okay. Hold on. What and then maybe I can continue these things Pinnacle design design notification does that box every study and pinion pieces systematic scoping literature fit Yeah, it's kind of nice. Because contribution Bob also sort of the the paradigm within which we're interested in it. Or let's say areas and wrenches be a better this is a direction that a paper terms of if I'm building that paper to take years I have worked best being said that research direction so if that works well for you. Download That's quick. So the idea being that you so it's the validity is also important and again, we're looking stronger, much more into detail in my course specifically about conflict zones because that you know, way too much to do.

But one of the things I wanted to try this large complex situation that knowing cut between this paper submission so that's actually submit papers and 2805 office people wanting to go to the client and they the

committee's essentially like small mini prints because what we were building was structuring it into the entrances. means you need to order said large team of 374 and 3000 to write down those numbers in the most recent ones because just used to become I think we're gonna remember from Cliff actually fortunate, again, on a trajectory that imploded in a couple of years really becoming not manageable anymore the responsibilities more so something keeping in into this committee structure with and and there's a certain paper again it was 2021 you get all the way into the system into a paragraph. And then you got to view which is partially why I decided no training alright. How do reviewers because somebody will then work at successful people I write papers but now review as a system to do this, this needs to be a lot of reviewers have the associate chairs it's always right at 499 associations in many countries.

Things still like it'll be like professors started my work and then you're always traveling them to the see me like like

really nice. Really neat conference city. Paper connecting has changed a little bit we'll see and then we have the subcommittee chairs that are people depending on these mini conference tracks within Yes, of the Oh, then you might ask. So what you can do to check that so they become more manager of the eight papers to get you know they

have to do with some of the final decision but it's about making sure on time, people are having a deal. The acceptance rates, things can make progress so this is really the status is problem chairs which particular people want the same rules where they say

except for content. You end up with the trick you can only get this many papers and prints you know so yeah, papers should pay really good that should be accepted but not for

me within recent years with all of these improvement. Struggle is I guess what I'm saying is you need to be

just enough because it's good enough there. Space we'd have scoring system in the middle of bending numerical, which actually makes it hard to believe me good at

the reviewing side because you don't have every paper needs to be looked at that data may work for the review. Committee Chair specifically manageable that is overall the the surface rolls right take the sponge paper so really want to be that's why I like all of these stocks. Be precise in abstract and beautiful. vague and be persistent. These different types of content types restrict the easier will do and how you accept what is accepted. Just something for me join papers and keep up the follow the papers I have now a new

review project okay because that was not the content is amazing papers that have flown the media and they're just in the conference to see them on these papers in media and then you have the honorable mentions in the vaping some conference Okay. Attention to strictly score. So, remember that if you both maybe not as feasible but has high will probably thinks that's pretty diversity issues having an impact in shade the way someone again, area a few bugs. Paying races and reviewers the PC isn't quite correct as he was chairs when it comes to si se a separate category. Conference is more in line so the chair if you want and those you might end up in when you write like the AC swab external reviewers used to send out the reviews. What do you got to be the boss

in there you'd be like you know some reviews in a day. Also you have that possibility to make sure I've received requests you know the it's horrible it's you you got to fix most of the times if you have those they will take over but something

definitely keep you know where we like you know, this person again some sort of a you know, like this thing, but it's good to keep in mind. See, maybe you've picked the wrong person. You'd come to

sort of defend it and it is still an issue maybe it was an issue. It was just too do still touch the that the producers are doing right so they go and making a desk job. There'll be

you get to touch all the papers it gets filtered again second nature okay. So when are on the mentioned papers decided me or is it ridiculous? I hope I pronounce that correctly at the end of the review what's changed because it's and then once you accept the conference next week except doesn't mean except because usually when we revise the paper getting rid of the mouse show you're in another session this is the one one so this year's profit. You see we got sort of the we got

if you look at those, you know, we have those that we hear, you know, accepting or resubmit basic initial accept. It's either it is reject right like if clear reject them as a clear reject and then threshold robots and then just think, on what accepted access to the slides you can click on Read. Describing the changes will be a big change coming up. Any more insight to come back to your data the process once you have. So when you make those decisions and actually send out the recommendations difference usually up to see commendations so they do to the best that they can recommend coming in from the ACS given them the award and back in the day just based on the recommendation Okay, so hopefully the answer or excuse about how to miss it. If if I knew that I would, I would write best. It's how is that going to break out AC sappy is one thing. There's no guarantee. Impact is a big one, right? If you're dealing could have maybe misrepresented or populations that don't. It's definitely never have visibility past so that you can do if you're interested. Again, like Korea doesn't make the best of it makes it an aspect as well. So yeah, you know, I don't rather than about the paper to be top notch or do a war chest so there's a word on this because children yesterday have access to in the parent PCs AC and and yeah some pretty stellar and yeah, I've gotten it but it's really dependent on not six times you just didn't have you basically do the recommendations. You could be something like them. Yeah. It's a messy practice. Really bad papers that got into it's not on me. It's not okay. I cannot and I hope over the United States

the different conferences Yeah, you know, it's time that we get a break so maybe in the music if you want to also submit some people. The subcommittee's it seems good to get assigned random question people discuss it.

Put a big meeting a project to revise resubmit decisions and to revise resubmit. We've seen in recent years it will really make that time not as it's really hard. So much.

I think it works for some reasons. Caught in this curiosity about life can conditions anyway. Opinions about how we had journalists making millions of viewers what's keep in mind the process at that stage. It's up buddy but it's not just the chat. Here we're having maybe we'll but let's not distinguish between either using a revision or initiate that that session for all of them and not eating make things better.

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you get the reason that's more like a journal again the journal timeframes are not so you know, we have a lot of pressure

in the next five years at this point, not to be here, but this is these practices that we're putting yes

to teach us an early Yeah, definitely. So why does it pay for main points this city, which means it's significantly chosen the reviewers confidence right so star don't, you always need to? We'll talk about previous content this is the thing be the smartest person in the room? It's great if you're actually Yeah. Those are really good salespeople. They're actually okay. You know, that's that reason you might not be tempted to get in how to write the secret dropping at the heart of the scourge you

us to actually know that but ideal researcher such as ourselves the paper we're getting into we now I want a little bit yeah, so I come back you back up here. Excellent. So this tele side writing code you curl up here saying Great. So that's that quickly give you access to everything I take on an ocean Southworth. And always put it there. Alright. Break see you back here and I will stop my stretch. I actually had back pain here. Thanks everyone. out if you want but I will be back intended Right are you

You Afternoon? What's up Okay. Hopefully everyone hasn't yeah. Nice and we're back time's up. Ding dong. You can still hear me too, raise the head. Kicking okay, you're looking good. Okay. Now back to our school. tribution. Like I said, it's kind of unflagging on some things take a little bit slower. To something to keep it how do I switch this over? Yeah. One thing you do. For those of you those of you that are stuff that you see in transcript here as well can't get you to do okay because it's an easier one that being said let's switch over to what we were just talking about. That's kind of cool, given them the contributions and so that's sort of at the heart of the contributions that I think we've, we've linked it to your mind and you're wondering what paper and going as you can see, because they're locked alone and we're just unrest

makes it easier to access so people don't accidentally that's always been okay, so click on this download paper and have a look. I'm talking about okie dokie. Let's see. Yes. So let's just switch from contribution can find success. Club contribution, you're making an artist attribute or method or theory. I've seen it like once or twice a year usually. Okay. Okay, what that actually means from this point. Vision is observation and data. Right. Come on down. We've got a new SP B. I'm just going to go cohosted okay, you know what? If you give me that for you switched over to download it and if I go then where is it? Second pop it up why don't I do that? With all of these people the other ones oops next it's just easier to have them in. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. That's being everyone on the SV side okay. Okay. See in the notion right here, so. Click on that should be on here, remember? Oh, okay, there we go. Pretty good contribution. So, it is data gathering and collusion. Now in the survey of contributions that are interested in all that just spins off this empirical research and so that helps relational databases along with that, and they arise for us so let's see. And this one, this is can see maybe I'll use my business easier. They are at the highest number of permission sets a number of writes directly out of the PBX. constraint is like acceptable. Maybe this is like the highest whereas the acceptable versus paper papers are submitted by people. That this is not right at this point. Study of people you had usual sort of situation for HVAC systems as the next one and then blah blah. I'm also because it's a premium. If you look at that

but then there's a kicker you don't once you know how to write a good theory you actually have a pretty good relative right. Now if you look at your I probably say right with your acceptance rate even for the essay is really kind of baffling. But we can actually see the standard pretty good position in literature. The if somebody took that to heart more, right, yeah, definitely. And then data set right. That is not like that anymore. Definitely not. Doing non medical review. Keep in mind then the data is what the different distributions are various activities entity contribution that and how this is useful for designing this key of

Okay. Again, very quickly. Use that but eye contact from handwritten activity which is also quite interesting and it prompts me to do that, as I said so far we'll have a little running smoothly and then there's also the transcript. Next design driven activities so like, what if UPC durations you want a compelling us to consider new pocket good looking at and again, in the second you have the methodologic. That's how we do things during the building, really evaluated Do you have a lot of great ability to

see things with kids claim to the research question and new helps us to leave the key of methodologic better or nukes model this principle with respect to write our notes and then by novelist so this is interesting to you. But like how do you have a sound medical contributor

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is and this useful Thank you have a lot of fun and so something you do it's you know you have the background into little bit something people who need engaging with heart hearts you do yeah, really quick solutions again synthesizing existing maturity and good basically, those are like the zeitgeist for projects. The trends and gaps in the literature. You come up with when you do a broad circle. Absolutely.

So again, maybe yeah, something that is to researchers. That's right where you trying to person you're basically coming to debate it has partisan Yeah, if you do that, good chance of something is lost in the humanities and you better think it's a lot. Collective background as far as you see some of these things but I think cuz you have to make a good argumentation. Yeah, yeah.

It's unfortunate. Again, very common in humanities in common. Which is not your standard. We don't have to wait for the coffee break. On before we have dinner. So we'll just have sort of the same radio reviewer. approach that paper I'm getting to think about it through the lens of the person that's actually going

because Baiser or for the research like I was getting it is the same angle that was doing it so that's the half I want to briefly summarize start you know, we started with paper because anyway, I will talk to you about that in a second. I will show you two examples of like wow, that's a lot of papers out Yeah, I like abstract and intro because it forced off the prices again, but we'll talk about it is the the endpoint of your payment. Know what that hinge point is? Is that, what's the paper contribute to HCI you know you made a contribution. So if you think back to nation trade, I can here for a second look upon things in the prioritization matrix and sounds like yeah, I read your paper, you know. You have to ask yourself you know, what, language company? Paper

the paper Oh, there's kind of through humans, okay. So we got to get this done. So no how would we do that in you experience the experience and I paper here. Interesting is this isn't a challenge. You have the librarians which was versus you know, to help. Yes, okay. I couldn't be convenient.

It's probably an argument that you have to do. It can definitely be framed. In that way. Distance you know, that's the Okay, we got one section of users. Right there design factors improvement which is humans. Question to you guys. What questions to be more thought on. Next or academic online, discuss, please. Read and probably the users REM does definitely something works out in demand. The Sustainable again, this is communication. I think Yeah. Again. Acknowledge a bit of that paper. Clearly we have the fitness tracking apps of the digital media comments social media is a technology because of ease of use.

And this is super new. Wow. So yeah, it is concerning. But we have outcome medicines and

we have questions which patients can best represent you. Again, you read in the question. So again, maybe with an Outlook to you like is it a person that has trouble sleeping must be with communities. Patients that those are the users I'm guessing it implement to make multiple random arguments to me when it comes to these just had this to us museum it's a VR, isn't it? I think the art museum together there, but probably something you'd want to explore the art you got the approval keep the cognitive load up. You know? Again, you got both of that in there too. Good. A lot of dark. nology bits and calories question implying technologies but environments is like the court kind of teaching frame that some of it's important to this is your paper with soldier question because it involves soldiers in the paper grading process and then is it stimulating? You know, are people going to remember

that this is all material because this is a meeting you might not find students. I think it's so important what the impact is you could say in these review that try out the time reviewing process I resist his PC meetings where as we say just sorted out to the borderline papers. If it was basic basically applying it probably is going to find that in order to again

so important how that works, just checking in and clicking on this okay, I'll just let you handle this. Okay perfect. So seems to be living stimulating. Questions like minded spotting ideas and then why did you pay more interest to the carrier justifying black people large the reason why we experiment let me try to find one that I really don't think definitely some of them are for me, but some people come in you own preferences and you should add that regard so I think that's how they do things pan out it's just more of a gauge my interest and then up in discussions and this is really something we're always looking for our you know, hashtag KB so definitely during lunch break all that but we'll have people to be about

really appreciate that too, and engaging with you funny isn't isn't about what he thinks. Well written what are your biggest struggles? When you're engaging prices the first language so Exactly. I was born in Germany. And kind of acquired almost like it's hard because sometimes you never know the conference that you're going to take whatever your your local language is. Already, Michael Yes. I just made a decision to put this out there and be forcing myself I have to write the stuff in English and my thoughts is just due to color. And obviously there's tools that use Microsoft now has it or not, you've seen that like just another thing. Sort of like plugging, writing thing because not all of this okay, this is how they think this might not. So you know, you can put your foot down to tell the software ninja here so some of these tools have a whole different discussion but like as a non native they take an Overleaf these days with you know, just a suit right to kind of to to natural and again it was a lot of times or whatever that I've added back into the day it is not that at all I can do it awesome. You know that was before I just experienced there has been a situation where I mean, stuff was the hardest thing. Can I just just start right away. What he used to carry around a notebook and I think it

was like some days I would just write with the Greeks and it's just something to edit and once you have to write and edit them and this fits all the rules and that sort of thing is just to put a lot of practice and then another thought would make an extensive use of visuals. In this one. We'll find that actually for language deficiencies that you will actually use on Fiverr or whatever you can do. professional editor for the robot the size of the paper turns off it really was one you know just reach out to somebody but you know the older you get the more aware I get

asked me they will tell you no such thing as that don't keep that in mind you that's perfectly fine and your product looks professional that is looking at

space for you. Just yeah, make sure it's well written improve on that. Petitioner do reviews that you have done it or planning to do it or

handwrite for those definitely some folks that are here okay we got at least people that come in Yes. What have you learned Yeah, so since the main follow you can't just leave out information. Get over the last couple of years. It is we make them not they did the search again and I think everything got published in school looked at all the papers looked at the future. Although you're writing the model you but obviously you don't want that process is nice but not just when they're the systematic lot of people forget that stuff of qualitative analysis. This is about things and obviously there's a qualitative work with how to do that but we do I have some sort of sense of this have stricter people are getting more systematic reviews and solving problems. We have the community this practicability if you will. This is wrong and because you haven't described it well enough time fighting framing your paper so if you do scientific processes as your contribution methods thing, yeah. And for that I think have been accepted in does that make it in a way that works isn't it tends to to go to CHI and while you're doing your work but to pay to buy if you're typing online and being something good opportunity to have to a lot of thoughts don't get there but you know as we are to get but ya know, you need to know them. I tried to do that with my own research areas and we discussed them in the lab meetings.

Currently hot and what are people what are people live this before I pop into this and move over to puppet it will be formed let me see it again. Right in and I've annotated it a little bit which I like to do this

type of consulting thing somebody annotating stuff and saying have you really someone that still from did you still I guess that was system okay. Right so tation idea don't need to be sorry. Yeah, and or an older faculty meeting Okay. These two certain introductions kind of comes with the students last it was hectic. North American patient before you actually want to study since often I come in, I fix the abstract iser has a little bit more is the what's in the metadata to sort of my preferred thing can somebody still? left the White I put a title on the bottom of the article earlier asked me most an extension where if you make a point out of it the ones that do the most is for us start with the state of the world. You got to pick us up somewhere Yes, we are. Seeking to understand games are not in the scope. Ultimately don't need to do that I do that. To describe that anymore, but to say this problem and already kind of poke them that that

they there have certainly been clear migration tools aimed to easily create good state of the world. We're modern visualizations. And we deal with exploratory visualizations. are great you know we have Landis. This is a visualization paper loaded with because we're making it okay. So state of the world have these. You have this area that you're in some area and as it goes into the review it serves to get

you to find out what reviews sorry No, am I going to meet this paper this is a visualization paper this is one area and then you go into getting down. This is sort of a data visualizations but mapping data columns to visualize them. Just sort of works awesome in this case because this is a specific scenario but in this case the out what data okay as I say and it's out there probably problem agitate solution causes well yes basically. Just think so. A lot of cables pay much for the answer because you don't really have anything

if this is a problem but this think those extra lines I care I'm not invested as I have a solution. And one, read the rest for you. And you know probably in the abstract I don't have a lot of time to

show one you're very important to have my podcast and on the notion of spam so I have a podcast called right because

I get an interview with Jacob woman and what that means is you're even like making better ideal state and good paper has every pretty much you know that song you always find a problem which is generally how will you get data layout and design good problem statement right? Mismatch is definitely a problem could have been one paper who might have created this problem then an ad hoc solution type paper as we can see here. Our senses sensors power devices pose us without needing to worry about data layout to do. That has been stated as it is also specific of all to know how on that occasion and transforms the data automatically. Why it's important to use the task that you're mentioned in the problem so now I got solution is thin. So I think it's important because in a study with 33 days don't matter or study focus papers it will save one more time I put that in the transformation it's pretty much you know like giving solution is an artifact that's understanding users on by analyzing that right and then we found this has already proved that sweet

I think anyways, but it's dark thoughts to create. So I think they have almost two sides of specifications. Apps creates visualizations they otherwise cannot implement. It was good and that's really look at the writing. This is why I wanted to drop from and again in my online course I have a friend as well. But this is one of them. Writing without bullshit meaning in the past and some of the sentences because it's not specific specifically at the factory that didn't mean anything right there like the right way every word here is that no of course and arts really well. O'Brien says I really like this topic I would almost say highly interesting something like this sort of a nickel technology could do wonders for finding some of these important problems. A good area to do. And on top of all of this I like to write because what we're doing you're using the same letters but you don't ask me why is like you know, paper titles high chair. Ideas basically I did or it's like for the colon so the actual thing that's important is that you can follow that structure and because that's part of the life because within this reclaiming right like so. often call it the medicalization of question but the first two letters are the settings for

M N E, M and E right here for some office. People know how to do their writing. So this was obviously this is so cool. I heard you saying you know pumped I was pumped. Man. Like I like my song titles to be a bit punny for time. Definitely. There's no room for that stuff, right? So you'd like to know the main effect if your main contribution. Let's talk a little bit because this is partly the result of that's not a result. Reclaiming. But is it is it you could argue that because they're already in that town Yeah.

I guess what they're claiming as their contribution. So I guess it's your belief. Like sometimes it's like okay, this thing to the research questions. Great. That's really to keep in mind their budget the cut something else yeah. Anyways go through the app and is the most important thing Okay, so the menopause talk. in a context of medical they're already going into that. First is the second part of the sentence in part based on their ancient jumbled up I would agree that that's a problem. But I think it's almost like saying here this is this is just this is a problematic area, the problematic space, what do you think the problem is that we're in basically so let's drill that down. Also. The social justice system. design approach to knowledge when you have a sentence here, that means that sentence before it was actually a problem. Solution it's basically a purchase Participatory Design Post solution going because already leading to reports on interviews with design workshops. You have your day One day 12 women with short you actually did this as an absolute good extra. Good practice. So really abstract mini paper what kind of you know basically saying this is all written that way. It's like abstract. If it's well written, you're right. That's your job that gets you to read the rest. And often. Bye bye. Advertising. You'd like to be very active on social media to stay up to date use these frameworks because essentially is this problem agitate solution that may clearly articulate your emotionally attended they tried to sell but in your case again, you can follow up. does help? Probably just where you can do a lot more education a lot. More

nicely written segments into the findings what is typing is a experiences claims the privacy of you don't like yeah okay

people walk but, you know, I would have personally I would have been

it does kind of establish this larger scale papers not kind of solution again the solution which is really starting to say this is where the contribution participant is designed to me, that says to make space for menopause it's also good I just don't participants design consciousness right like we all see. So clearly, you know, that happens to have a little error in them because it's for menopause experiences. For this specific group of people to shed Okay, and Okay, anyways, until we want to wrap this up because how you can question your body because that's in the title. Personally, experience on the fringe thing, not income. So the question really is like to, specifically for that specific target for the body of people. Here we really nicely hear out that appreciation and design same it's nice that you know, this is one test paper so people students you know, like this is not enough if you were making

fun of the discussion, but what did you forgot? It's a common discipline. How this as an indictment of social justice, and she's bringing in a caller and take that on to a rigorous process with my students and final punishment submitted it's a nice but yeah, you'd have to meaning ratio meaning holistic perspective that you know, jargon, the entanglement of physical and segwaying. Mind in that in the you know. So basically, meaning ratio reps but again, if you don't do it, you might say

Don't Don't do it. Right. But again, that imperfect is subjective. This morning we learned some just because I was you know, don't eat to pick up a lunch on

our separate groups but finishing up here, this thing and, okay, so I'm just checking the comp. What's up I just I wish I was cast by the way, just check out any of his papers and everything.

Maybe not, but that's when I look at my course and a lot of there's a lot of cool incidents. How we can do that stuff. It's like my colleague Daniel Vogel, Iranian Steering Committee Chair of kinda like this Yeah, I think in this tweet. We start the meeting like people usually I will pack in in an hour. Friends have gone to Twitter and we can follow you out. Again like to in my access to that as well. He starts early and then usually during CHI is I've got to take a break out of this we still got a little bit more hands on and but I'll be offering to you Again