The Audit - Enter Your Pathway To Owning Your Public Style

5:45PM Oct 28, 2022

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Dave Anthony

Josh Olson

George W. Bush

Kate Willett

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Yes, I have heard of them. I have never heard

of them. I just heard of them from the story.

I heard of them from the teething thing. But yeah, yeah.

Well, yeah, I don't know what to make a lot of comedy about what the hell let's talk about this. I hadn't In fact, I saw Chapo this weekend. They did a they did a live show. And I was relieved because it's like I always feel old with this stuff. And Matt Chrisman were on an explosive tear. It was a guy who's like been born on the internet and leaves on it. And he had never heard a whiff of the existence of the tribe guys until this happened. So meeting didn't meet. Yeah, it didn't make me feel so old.

I was like, Yeah, but I feel like it was for teens, right? Was it like a teen show?

Is that I don't know. They tries to do it. Right. They try to eat a big sandwich. Are they trying to jump? I have a airplane. So there's just more of them. They're just doing YouTube

and

tell me Yeah, but there's the TIC tock. And they're a massive industry. Now. They made a shit ton of money. And Am I incorrect? It seems like so one of them had a consensual affair with somebody they work with. Yes, yeah. And they had to. I mean, it was so shocking. And horrifying and debilitating. That, that they had to get rid of him. And they had to, like make an announcement to the public. I don't know what's something I'm fucking missing. Kate. You've heard of these guys. Like, what am I? What am I missing from the story? Because it's like, this is an excerpt from the Lincoln project. It was like diddling kids, this is supply doster. Well, and he had are we is that where we are, first of all the coefficient.

Eight podcasters have no morality to begin with are amoral monsters. But this is not the scandal that's being made out is like, right. It's almost like the way Clinton handled Monica Lewinsky. Like you like what is going on right now?

There's but like, but I gotta ask because only one of the three people on this thing is involved in I would say my correct Qaidam was something's happened since the last time we spoke. You you are single and you dict

Yeah, sometimes. I mean, oh, Single I sometimes date not.

You've not been single at times.

No, yeah, I've had a lot of long relationships. But, um, I, you know, this does try ghosting. So first of all, like the affair was with a co worker, and I don't think anyone, Jude's that it was consensual. I'm not really sure what the like, power differential was in that situation, like, I know, okay, like with Clinton and Monica Lewinsky, for example, I would say, yeah, that was obviously not appropriate, you know, of him, which I don't know what the degree was in this situation. I don't think having a relationship with a co worker is always bad. So I'm not sure about the specifics here before people get mad at me. But I will say that I do think that this is part of like a, I don't know, people seem to be really upset about infidelity. And I do think cheating sucks. And I've been cheated on and I think, you know, you're a jerk if you're cheating on somebody, especially while you're building a brand as a wife guy. But that said, like, it definitely seems like this whole like anti cheater thing is part of a kind of broader sexual puritanism backlash, which I realize makes me sound like Bill Maher or something. But yeah, yeah.

The thing about cheating is like, I think over half of people end up cheating at some point, and you don't know what's going on in that relationship. And there's a million things that could be happening, and it's really none of your fucking business. And the way people react to it is very puritanical. Yeah. And, and I know people who have cheated on their spouses, and they worked it out. And there was a reason that happened. And you know, okay, I am, is that what this guy was? Was he married, this guy

was married. And so he was very connected to like his wife and like, their stuff. So there was an element of hypocrisy, and it was snowing.

But the show is named Try Guys. So

yeah, exactly. No, no, it was an episode. It was

I would, I would be upset if my co host was cheating in I guess I wouldn't be I would be like your wife. With my wife. No. But if I if I was just working with a guy on a show, and and we had an employee and he was, you know, messing around, I'd be like, Okay, well, this is weird, because I know your wife pretty well. And it's definitely I get that I get that completely. When

I think when she a producer on the show or something. I mean, obviously, she's not like on screen talent or whatever. But I don't think

they think she was a producer. I think that's right. Yeah. So and I don't know, like, who like, to me the most sort of compelling argument for like, cancellation here would be if like, he was in a position where he was effectively a boss or something. But I don't know about that. So I'm just talking about it in a general sense, because I'm genuinely not sure what the situation. You know. I think like cheating is the thing that I think you can say like, it's mostly wrong, but like, I've cheated on someone, I'll tell you this situation that I cheated. Like, I was like, straight up ghosted by someone I was dating for, like a month. And I was like, Okay, I guess this is over. And then they came back, and I had slept with someone, and it was like, What the fuck up? And I was like, I'm sorry, you know, but I was like, I don't know, if we were still in a relationship or whatever. You know. And, you know, I mean, like, but that's probably not the only time like, I'm sure in college. I think I was dating somebody and like, you know, got drunk and whatever. This is not good. But it's like a thing that a lot of people do.

Not Yeah, god dammit. Yeah,

I definitely.

If you bring two things together, one of which makes me crazy. Well, have we talked about this? The Hollywood No. Which is where we are in our business. A lot of the places where nobody ever tells you know, any more, they just don't reply. Yeah, like you pitch a project or something. And at a certain point, you're supposed to understand they're passing. But there is that weird gray area, which is what makes me crazy. It's not for the fact that it's obnoxious. Just not to, you should call somebody to television. No, there is that period where you're like, Are we committed to a thing? Are we I don't know. I don't know when you sit there and you have to wait. But I wonder like, what the, like, I went to that recently, my other show, I thought we were friended reached out to a guest. I wanted to get create a great TV show. They sent in this email, and she had said he was interested. And they just dead silence. And I'm like, Okay, you say no, I'm not gonna be that guy. And then somehow, we reconnected a couple months later, and it's everything. He's like, Oh, I never saw your email. Lovely guy, and none of this is his fault. It's the Hold the fucking Hollywood No, because we're not for that. I just sent him another email go hey, I don't know if he's,

yeah, yeah, he's fantastic.

And but here's the question when when do you when exactly does that no kick in? Like, if I send my wife a text and I go, it's great being married to you. And she doesn't reply to me for 20 minutes. Can I assume that we're done and go have an affair now? Yes. Okay.

That's 20 minutes is the that's the Yeah, that's the I love

the Vegas. Kate is a strong assertive woman from a sort of different generation. I love listening to her talk. I love checking out her comedy figuring out how these people are like navigating these insane waters. But the fact that you're sitting here going you were ghosted bond by a guy. It

was actually a woman. I was gonna, sorry, anyone, anything going on?

Somebody else. ghosted constitutes cheating. I'm like, yeah, no, you did not cheat. I was

like, fine. We were together for like, five years after that. Oh, and you want to hear the really fun. But we got back together. We had been together for like, two years. And then we were together for like, another

two years. Yeah.

I mean, we had a contentious relationship. We were both a little 20 year old idiots or whatever. But the funniest thing was is she had also cheated on me during that time. And it didn't come out until like a year later. And she was like, God, so I am. And I do think the one thing that's different about my generation versus yours is there's a lot more people who are just kind of skeptical in monogamy, about monogamy in general. And there's a lot of Yeah, it's not. Yeah, I mean, so it is theoretically I think very possible. If you're like a person who doesn't want monogamy to just find other people who do not want monogamy and be honest, if you don't think that you can, or you don't. Or even you just don't have that desire to be, you know, sexually exclusive with someone for the rest of your life or until they die or whatever, you know, then that's that's fine. So I think you know, that kind of colors the discussion a little bit because it's like, well, you know, if that option is available, and you don't want to be monogamous, it's not like you have to get someone else on board with like, being monogamous with you. But then on the other hand, I Okay, I had this boyfriend for awhile, and we were in a monogamous relationship, his idea and he like came out to me in the relationship as like polyamorous and I was like, I don't think yeah, I don't want to be in a polyamorous relationship. And he started being like, you know, that's a form of like discrimination like I am biologically Why do multiple women the thing is like I was so like, woke and well intentions that I like, I'm like apologizing at that point. I'm like, I'm so sorry for discriminating

your hair away from being like anti queer if you oppose polyamory, if you will. That's your boyfriend have sex with every once you're basically anti queer?

No, he compared it to homophobia. And I was like, I was really feeling bad. And I was like, very confused by like, a lot of poly people. And they're like, no, like, it's fine if people are polyamorous, but you don't have to be polyamorous. Like, that's your decision for yourself. And I was like, okay, but I do think that there is like, also this thing that's happening right now, which is like, we have like the old school cheating. And then we have like, the kind of new variation of it, where somebody is in a monogamous relationship, that they just really, really, really pressure their partner into opening. Yeah, and that's

that's hard. That's hard time.

predates us. Parents,

it's happened. Yeah, I don't I don't know how, how often it happens. My grandfather,

I can tell you, who did it. It never worked. Yeah, usually

what happens is like, you don't want to be stereotyped too much. But usually, in straight couples, what happens is, it's the man that pressures to open the relationship and the woman gets laid way more, and then he loses his fucking mind is like, I don't want to have an open relationship anymore. And then she is like, no, actually, like, I'm getting laid a lot. Fuck you

about like three couples that have done it. And each one the guy pressured her she did it. And then she was like, Wow, this guy's much better. And

yeah, I mean, it's weird thing because it's like, the I don't know, it's the I think a lot of these discussions require like some, you know, nuanced because it's like with cheating, for example, okay. You know, I'm not gonna say who it was. But I'll give you an example. Like, I knew someone for a really long time, was married to somebody who had no interest in physical intimacy anymore, but they also had a A medical situation with a kid that they were not able to leave, you know, and they cheated. And it's like, okay, you know, there's probably maybe there's better ways of handling it, maybe there is not, but like, I'm not in a position to judge someone in that situation, you know, but then there also are like a lot of people that, you know, especially I think straight guys that really just have this super old school idea that they should be able to get laid as much as they want, but their partner who's a woman should not have that same freedom. And that's very just kind of classic, you know, pre like, pre modern, Caveman misogyny. You know, it's just the same thing.

What's misogynistic about that? There's not the show, theoretically, where a political show somewhere down the line of killing the movie show or David see the KDC. And I should just give a shout out. If you've never heard of this film, it sort of ties into this. There's an amazing documentary called Sex magic. Oh, God, I have seen it, manifesting my I know I sent it to you. That sort of goes into all of this. It's about a tantric guru and Sedona, who's deeply into polyamory, and whose girlfriend at the beginning of the film because his lover sorry, love is clearly not comfortable with it. And it's one of those documentaries where it would have been a fine film just on its own, but shit starts to happen. And you can tell the documentary makers are like, Oh my God, we were here like when the gold started coming, and it is it is worth seeking out it is worth watching. And it goes to the heart of all this stuff. And it's really, it's, it's dark. There's some hard scenes, but it's also hilarious.

I think, like with that documentary, like when I just had that I was trying to imagine because we both seen it. You told me about it. And I was trying to imagine what your experience of like watching that is because you're probably like, This is so weird and crazy. I've never seen anything like this. And I'm like, five of my boyfriend's have literally been this guy. You know, this is

like she thinks we're like some Ward Cleaver. No, that's

mean at all, but I just mean like, you don't seem like you've dated like the fucking sleazy hippie guy who is like,

I have not dated this sleazy hippie guy wrote up around the sleazy, okay. Yeah, in fact, I know a guy who's in that film. It's even though it's not even like that. But yeah, check it out. It's fantastic.

I was dating this guy for a while when I lived in San Francisco and I lived in a co op, called the convent. Still, there was like an Artists Collective. And there was only when I first moved in, it was like a mix of like men and women and queer people. But it eventually got to the point where it a house of 23 people all everyone moved out who wasn't like a straight guy. Like it was like 20 men and three women left because it was so dirty. And I was dating

this dude. Like, literally dirty like dishes. He was like, dirty.

It was like literally dirty. My is discussing. And I paid like $1,200 a month to live there. Because I was San Francisco. So it's fucking ridiculous. And so the guy that I was dating, I ended up just starting dating someone else who lived in the house. Oh, my, one of the other women. And I was like, we weren't in a monogamous relationship or anything, but it was like, Okay, well, you know, there's only three women who lived here. Like this is like really awkward. Can you not go outside? And he was like, I should not be expected to go outside today. That was the guy that most reminded me of this like Sedona?

Yeah, wow. You know, I was gonna open with Biden and marijuana. But I This has been so

much better. This is well, this is why I don't do because I just I have like, repeatedly, and maybe I'll have like, I feel like I'm in the process of changing. Now. I've just repeatedly being sabotage so much by my own like wokeness and open mindedness of like, oh yeah, maybe it is really selfish to tell someone that they have to go outside and find another. Like, maybe it is discrimination if I asked my boyfriend not to cheat on me, you know, and I just like in the moment it all make so much sense and I don't want to get into that again.

There's another document that keeps coming to mind is an older one called the lifestyle that we've ever seen. And it's about Orange County Swingers, which this will be sold out already with a bunch of friends because we're like, it'd be like hot naked chicks. And I'm not joking everybody in the movies and basic doc it's, it's it's fun and funny, and they are literally Orange County swingers. Every couple in the movie looks like Barbara Bush and Dick Cheney.

I know a lot of people who have made a lot of people in my life who swing and here's the thing about that one is Swingers, for the most part, not everyone, but it is very, it's very conservative movement. Yes. Like, there's just a lot of yeah, there's a lot of Republicans Like I feel like polyamory where you can like date, you know, multiple people and like fall in love is tends to attract I think mostly a kind of liberal leftist variety person but swingers

interests. You're saying jives with my experience and I hadn't really thought it out. But yeah, I wonder if that's

swingers are like super heteronormative a lot of the time, like very, like, sort of, almost like sanctity of marriage kind of stuff. And it's, I don't know, I performed at the swinger party. Once, like, standing up comedy, stand up comedy.

Let's be clear.

Yeah. And it was so like, it was just it was just the most kind of like, aggressively heterosexual environment I've ever been to since like a frat party in college. It's just weird. It's a weird weird vibe. Wild to be Yeah, I don't know. And

I never party going on while you were doing it. Are they sort of waiting to you left to

so there was like a bunch of rooms there were like sex rooms. And then there was like a, you know, music, comedy, sketches kind of entertainment type room, and that's where I was, but I've never going back there. And because it's not safe to be like gay. a bisexual woman in the space of a single single bisexual woman is like the worst possible thing that you could possibly be in like, oh, god, yes. A heteronormative kind of non monogamy space. And I'm trying I'm being trained to be careful. Because I do think that like, I don't want to be part of the like, conservative like, non monogamy is bad.

There's that that wokeness Yeah, no, but it is

true. The wokeness that has just gotten me in trouble again, again, but man, it's like so fucking gross. When these couples are just like, yeah, we need to get a girlfriend together. And that's frowned on in those communities as well. It's considered like bad behavior, but I'm just like, oh my god, I'm a person not. Not a sex toy. That's me. No. Yeah.

I guess the important question though, watch David. Much like the clunkiest segue in the history in my my entire podcasting career. What do you think eight that you own your own communication style?

I feel bad about my communication style every single day. So no, I would not

say that. Really. So So you could use some tips? Yeah, I

think you know, for myself, I think George W. Bush has a thing going on that I don't, which is that he is extremely careful and strategic about what he says and I'm not at all and I'm always like, Why did I do I didn't make a grown man today.

Yeah, let's take a quick break here and then we'll be right back with own your own communication style with George W. Bush

communication which said oh, you're communicating me that you're going to talk about communication. i Let's communicate.

Hey, what what the funny haha. So he I hear it because it doesn't make sense because he's talking to camera. But then he's acting like someone said, communicate to him when he's supposed to be introducing the talk.

It's just we got some I got something. Okay, roll. Here I go. That's what he did. Funny. He's being funny. And that is kind of what this episode is all about is his laughing in fact, this is the episode where we get into Senator, I live in Lorne Michaels and all the rest of that. So. But yeah, there's a lot in here about how important it is to be able to laugh at yourself.

Laugh it's so yeah.

But I think we're really getting into the air and it gets more and more where it's like, you can't even pretend this as a class and leadership. And you know, it's maybe it's a class that'd be a president. But if you have to learn how to run a, you know, if you're a CEO of a new company, you know, laughing at yourself, that's a life skill. It's not necessarily your you're not gonna be turning on the TV and watching Will Ferrell make fun of you every week and have to learn how to deal with that.

You know what this kind of reminded me of? I just wrote George W. Bush, you know, he's like, so rich and powerful and like him giving tips like they apply to everyone it kind of reminds me of like, when one of my friends who's like, model will give me dating tips, you know, and I'll be like, yeah, man, it'd be super cool to go to Europe and she'd be like, Oh, just get some guidance. And I'm like, does not apply to me like, we're coming into this with a very different side.

Yeah, I was think I was I was good friends with the late the late Steve being as a wonderful, wonderful guy. And we worked on the first time I ever worked with him on something. I guess was first we were gonna be on a private jet. And I'm sitting down I'm like, holy shouldn't have this conversation. I was like, so this is yours. And he was like, oh, no, no, here's here's the thing you need to understand. And I have carried this with me forever. Don't buy a private jet. You're much better off than leasing one and I just was just like laughing. I thought that's it's actually very, because it's like, it's kind of he knows I don't have a pariah can't afford one. But there's a certain optimism in there in his mind that like, if you get to the point, when you get to that point, just keep in mind, you're much better off leasing a private jet

to buy advice to file away for the future.

And I've never forgotten, I have never forgotten. There's all kinds of advice people have given me that I could have used, that would have been helpful. I've completely forgotten it. But I will never forget that. But yeah, I agree. There's all this sort of stuff that like you're never going to need to use, and is never going to apply to you. So it really is, it's this is where he starts giving away the fact that this is just boys talking to a camera by himself trying to make you like him.

Yeah. And I think you're right about I think most CEOs actually don't at all laugh at themselves. Yeah, I think it's

an exact opposite. Sure. Yeah, yeah. But he goes into this, he talks about, he talks about all of his Bush isms, his malapropisms and everything. And it's amazing, but then we get into something that is kind of interesting, I think. And it's a it's a bane on our culture.

And one of my favorite things to do was to speak to the White House Correspondents Dinner, and make fun of myself. Thank you and good evening. I always look forward to these dinners where I'm supposed to be funny. Intentionally and generally got pretty good lash.

So let me take advantage of the fact that both of you are working stand up comedians was that that was that was pretty great. Right?

There was no misdirection really I mean, it's intentionally was supposed to be a misdirection but it we saw it coming miles away, you know, no, no, no element of surprise

or what have you before we get into like, what a blight on the culture. The White House Correspondents Dinner is, I think it's interesting. He didn't go with this one, which is probably his most famous appearance there. Remember this he was presenting? came out, he said, I'm gonna show you a White House family album, and it was various pictures and he'd make jokes. And he showed himself remember this, he showed a picture of himself looking under a chair. In the Oval Office. You don't remember this? got huge laughs huge laughs This is in about like 2004 or five. Here we go. So picture George W Bush, looking under a chair in the White House.

Those weapons of mass destruction and gotta be somewhere

Oh my god, that's

so bad destruction. Gotta

be somewhere it's so bad. My god. This is this is this is when you get back to this guy is so fucking evil. At this point. He has. He has killed so many people and destroyed so many lives. And, and you know, just make a joke about it. Yuck.

Yeah. People they cut to laughing is Joe Lieberman. But imagine it's all these reporters. I don't know. It's been a long time. i My brain is mush now. But I used to at least think the job of the people in that room is to what to dig up facts, sometimes uncomfortable ones about people like George W. Bush and report them to us. I just yucking it up. While he makes jokes about fucking WMDs we all knew we're not real.

It reminded me of the one that he just did.

In contrast, Russian elections are rigged. political opponents are imprisoned or otherwise eliminated from participating in the electoral process. The result is an absence of checks and balances in Russia. And the decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq. I mean, Ukraine. Correct. Anyway. 75

He gets it and it's like this thing that is seen as like, charming and relatable that he can, you know, did he's in on the joke, but it's not it's so cool. It's because you're I mean, that's that's like, not accountability, you know? Yeah.

John Schwartz is a writer at the intercept. He tweeted this a while ago, but it was, you know, Putin could really troll everybody by just saying I will turn myself into the Hague. If Bush and Cheney do first.

Grade, he I thought it was volunteering to show up in the White House Correspondents Dinner. That'd be great. He could,

that would be pretty incredible. And unfortunately, I do think that leftists would like it, which would legitimize the critique of leftists like Vladimir Putin It would be just like, we like this one thing. We like this one thing

of your badge if you hired a really great joke writer to that would be hilarious.

Yeah. Yeah, Putin was not in on the joke about himself at all.

No, no, no,

but but it's just remarkable just collusion. And to the extent that people actually watching it are entertained, they don't realize like you're watching reporter sit down. You know, it's like those old cartoons where it's like, the dog in the, like, the rooster, what is it that we're, you know, they check in and check out together, and then they start chasing each other all day. And then they sit there and they check it out. Yeah. It's like this is it's wide open. I mean, we're like, yeah, done. Oh, shit, but it's just astonishing. It's been going on for so long. And people are mostly okay with it. And it's one of those things that even though he's an asshole, and he did it in an alcoholic way, like Trump was completely correct to, like, give that a wide berth. Because he did not have a sense of humor about himself, and he hated those people. And it's like, yeah, that's, that's the healthier relationship. I would argue that's a healthier way to perceive them. And if only they had perceived him the same way or perceived all of these people the same way we might be in a better position, but they just openly collude.

Yeah, I mean, the people don't realize that event is over a week long. And it's just politics part partying with all the media outlets. All the media outlets have a party, the hill as a party, this one as a party, CNN as a party, and they all just fucking party together.

That's where the origin was, I think was Yeah,

exactly this swingers orgy. You guys, this is weird, because I yeah, I wasn't sure if I was gonna say it on this podcast, but I served as a unicorn for George W. Bush and Laura Bush. Honestly, they treated me very badly. It's not something I'm proud of. But I did get involved. Yeah.

Oh, wait, we love hurries. That was not an inspiration for our community. But yes. Hey, speaking of collusion, look, I and this is different to and I think this may be a generational thing. A lot of people will be like, I have no problem with this part. But it always bugged me because I don't know I grew up at a time when like comedians and artists were supposed to be in a directly adversarial position with their government. It always bugged me that as time went on Saturday Night Live skits got softer and softer.

Oh, that's what the Try Guys, you know, they really. Yeah.

But here's here's a nice story from George about how funny he is and about what I'm talking about.

One of my favorite stories about my magnificent use of malapropisms was when Laura and I had dinner with Lorne Michaels, who is the executive producer of Saturday Night Live. And he said, you know, we put one of our best script writers on you, and he came up with strategic, very strategic asset Wedeman, and I said strategically. And he said, No, you never say strategically. So you got to be kidding me. For 17 years. I went through life thinking I'd said strategically, and I never did. He said, No. I said, Well, let me ask you, this smart guy come up with misunderestimated. I thought that was very funny. And I think Lauren might have as well. But the point is, is that if you can't poke fun at yourself, and if you can't realize others are gonna poke fun at you, then maybe you shouldn't get in the public arena, because that's just part of the process.

Strategically,

that that last part is true. If you can't handle

Yeah, it's just the parties have a dinner with Laura like, yeah, it's

really weird, isn't it? It's interesting. It's the George Carlin it's a big club and we're not in it, you know? Yeah, that's that's what you're talking about.

What was that amazing thing? Remember when when Trump won in 16? And they did that theory sign off with Kate McKinnon doing hallelujah is like, you had him on your show when he was running as president you held you knocked it up with him? Do you not understand how just giving these people exposure

is? Yeah, it's really crazy. I mean, you know, but but there's no memory in this country that we literally are goldfish. Oh, God,

I know. It's man. I'm not gonna make this on a tangent. But it is just weird to see that like, all of these things that we like that people have confronted in the past like the need for a minimum wage, or why tenement housing is not good and you need Windows and stuff like it's weird to just see the extent to people which will just re litigate it every single time

starting all over yeah yeah. But But yeah, I'm talking about talking about memory hold the fact that there is a George W. Bush masterclass and leadership masterclass is, you know, I can I can think and I am looking afford to if we're still here and a few years to doing you know, whatever masterclass Donald Trump teaches or Yeah, Don Jr.

I don't think I don't think they're gonna do that with Trump to be honest with you. I don't think so. Because here's why I think that there's an extreme please. Because, yes, I, I think there's an extreme benefit in having Trump be the outlier. And in pretending that like stepping outside, like, like, what's too far is being rude, you know, and, like, I think that like, Trump will continue to serve, I think for maybe decades to come as an example of like, what whenever there's like a, you know, a more normal fascist, you know, like, okay, but look like he's, you know, he's working with everybody. He's not saying these, you know, horrible things about women openly.

But each one has been worse than the last, you know, in many regards. Like, how do you how do you top this guy? How do you top that guy, they're consistently and they're consistently you know, right now. Oh, my God, Barack Obama listed. Ronald Reagan is one of his great heroes. Like, that's, that's how far it went with Reagan, who was, you know, oh, yeah, arguably the worst president we ever had and just did what he set in motion in this country. We are all just paying for

it. Yeah, I completely agree. And I'm just saying that I think that like, you know, I mean, it's going to, we're gonna have somebody who's more right wing than Trump, like soon like, either.

Like when the next president United States is walking around with a fucking swastika on his arm. Donald Trump is going to have a masterclass and Don Jr. is going to have a show with Anderson Cooper. That's Dave Dyer of killed Dave.

Yeah, I mean, once the competent fascist comes, then Trump looks better.

Yeah.

But do you think the competent fascist is gonna admit that they're a fascist? I feel like they won't like I feel like they're going okay.

I think we've I think we've crossed that line. They are now openly happy with being fascists. They're starting to come to grips with you can watch them come to grips with it.

Yeah, you're probably right.

Yeah, I mean, when you know I'm this is like 1520 years ago that I remember who wasn't some politician was greeting recited Oliver Stones greetings, good speech on ironically. There's a somebody's aware of right, you know, as right now working on a speech in which you present fascism, as you know, the realistic alternative to what we're dealing with right now. I'll say it, I'll say the F word. Go ahead. Hate me if you want. I'm with the people over here. Yeah. And, and you know, and the press will eat it up. And let's buy like, he's gonna tell some truth here about the press. That's a little, it's more than a little creepy.

A president, or a leader must understand that there's a mutually beneficial relationship with the media, to sound fancy. It's a symbiotic relationship. We both benefit from each other. I make news, and therefore they need me in order to print news. And I need them in order to print what I think and what I'm doing. It's like any other relationship, if you approach your relationship with suspicion and hostility, the relationship will be strained and not constructive and never went into a press conference with hostility toward the press.

I mean, first of all, Bush famously disliked the press. So he's just kind of whitewashing that, but yeah, you know, he's so cavalier. And again, it's that thing where like, we just do it in broad daylight, his description of the relationship between Governor and the press is correct, in that he's accurately describing it, but it's not what it ought to be.

Yeah, it is

the problem. The reason no one no one does hardball interviews, is they need that connection to the White House or whatever they need, you know, the wacko candidate to come back on their TV show because they need the ratings. Yeah, so I'd become a sense. Yeah, we're supposed to be a symbiotic relationship.

Yeah, or the other.

I'm the clownfish. And you're the anatomy.

Yeah. Can you hear me? Maybe not? Yeah. Okay. I was gonna say or, you know, just like the other classic, like, you know, Noam Chomsky points about the press, where it's like, they're choosing people to work at these institutions that sort of already don't think this stuff is that bad? Like, they're not telling them like, Oh, hey, you have to you have to write this because Jeff Bezos wants you to but like, they're not choosing anybody who to have those jobs that that thinks like, for example, like, hey, like, we should defund the military that's not in the scope

of what they're gonna hire anyone who needs to be told Oh, yeah, exactly too much effort. Yeah. But he does do a little bit of whining though, as he keeps talking about the press. And

here's the problem with imagery and leadership, particularly on TV, people get a 15 second glimpse of a person from which they, you know, make a conclusion about what the person is like. It's just the nature of public life. It was fun to defy expectations of people. But when you're the president, there's not much latitude in the media to defy expectation, some of the best thing to do would be to sit down interviews with people. The danger with that, however, was they had editorial powers, they would put on what they wanted to put on and ask you two hours worth of questions and put 15 minutes of answers. I viewed the press as a necessary part of my job. I tended to view them as individuals working hard to do a job as opposed to kind of a collective mass of uncaring people. I mean,

he thinks he should be his press secretary, uncaring people. Yeah, he's complaining that they report what they want. They don't report what he wants. I

mean, there have been two meetings. I mean, he did have such a less antagonistic relationship with the President Donald Trump to that was really different, you know, and I think Trump's antagonistic relationship with the press was ultimately like, to our benefit, you know, because

it's just didn't like them. Yeah. But Trump. Yeah. But you know, it's interesting to hear him griping about that, because it's like, it's a huge power different, he got way more power than they do. But, you know, speaking of sort of disproportion man, I think we've even talked about it on this show. But I think it's stuff like, you know, I remember my God going to others, that first big rally of Trump got in at LAX, for immigrants, and people were just welcoming immigrants. He was a giant protest against his Muslim ban. And the entirety of lax was just shut down and people everywhere, and I went with a friend. And we were sort of walking through it. And when we got there, at the very beginning, we saw one tiny little island at the end by international where there were 11 people, I believe, counter protesting. And when we got there, and kind of that that's where we first came out. And there were TV cameras there. And we walked all the way around lax, which if you've been there takes a long time. Yeah. When we got back to where we had started, though, seeing fucking cameras, we're still on those same 11 counter protesters. Wow. And, and I remember getting into it, it was a local news guy, and I went up and got it, it was like, these people disproportionately don't even exist. We gotta go, we gotta give coverage to everybody. Like, no, you don't. If you want a piece on the Rolling Stones concert at the LA sports arena, you do not find the five people who are dragged by dates, because they don't like the stones and talk to them. As much as you talk to them. You know, you're just that they don't matter. And, and guess what? I remember he gave me his email address. He's like, Yeah, let me know, you know, take a look at the things I think you'll see. We're pretty fair. And our handler was I remember. And I got, of course, you watch the, you know, the punch line as you watch it. And it's a six minute thing on the protest. And three minutes is the protest and three minutes of the counter protest. Yeah. And that's, you know, back to that insane notion they have that every story has to equal and opposite sides, even when you can actually see with your eyes and it does not,

that's one of the main advantages of like, you know, shutting down at a bridge or blocking traffic and a protest is that it has to be covered, you know, like, there's no way that they can just be like, Oh, this was like, a couple people, you know, it's like actually demands that media attention.

Yeah, no, exactly. But But anyway, there is there is I think this episode that has the one thing the first time I've seen anything in this that I thought like, I know some people who need to hear this, I'm not even remotely being funny. This is so important. Watching him say this, it's it actually feels sincere like this actually comes from him, I think. And God dammit, Democrats need to fucking listen to this. If you listen to nothing else, and you don't need to, because there's no reason to take this class. I'm gonna play the clip. The only thing that you need to hear from any of the politics, specially Democrats is this take this class.

I'm a syllogistic. Speaker. By that I mean, I believe in a logical order of speaking. I believe that speech should not have too many points to it. And when you make a point, you, in essence, say to the listener, I'm going to tell you these three things, and boom, boom, boom,

he's completely fucking right. There's a tiny minority of political people have like pundits and everything else who love complexity. They love it so very much. Bill Clinton would give I'd never listened to an entire bill clinton speech in my life and I am not a dummy. He's speeches went on and on, he would dive into form. He loved going into policy and going into tiny details. When Hillary Clinton ran, she would not only do that she would then refer people to her website if you want more fucking details,

and then her fans want to, they'd be like, Well, if you looked at her website, yeah.

No way to be nobody likes that. Except for the hardcore fans. Yeah, you know, it's like, it's like when you're at the fucking rush concert, and they start the 37 Minute drum solo. That's for rush fans. That is not for

everybody. But when they're like, I'm gonna play this, this song off the deep song off the album like nobody. Nobody wants to hear the deep song off the album, the fans, the hardcore fans, just the arc of it. Nobody else wants to hear nobody, but they love that's wonky. They love wonky, but those are political. I mean, essentially political fans. They love politics and policy. It's no not most people. It's just not nobody wants to fucking hear. Yeah,

and they would sit there they don't like Declan which Babylon Babylon, they go go to my website, and Trump would come in and go, Hey, make America great again. And they'd be like, That's fucking idiot. No one cares about that. You're like, no. Yeah, they're hearing him. They're falling asleep to you.

It's Jesus that man. It's also like an extremely liberals are so bad at this, like liberals love the like, super wonky, technocratic shit. And both conservatives and leftists are really excellent at distilling things down to an easily digestible talking point. Like just to give something like health care, you know, Bernie's like, we should give health care to everyone, the government should do it. Okay, really easy to understand. And then if you don't do that, then the Conservatives are going to come out with their shit. Like, the reason that you don't have health care is because of illegal immigrants, which is a horrible asinine thing to say, but still is more appealing to a lot of people than like this whole, like, here's my 80 page plan about subsidizing, you know, means tested, whatever, man.

Yeah, and that's, that's the thing, too, because it's, you know, yeah, it's more complicated than that. I get it. I just constantly like dad all the time. He's like, Well, I'm for Medicare for all, but it's, you know, it's complicated. But yeah, it is complicated. And if you're running for president, and you're telling me you're for that, I'm gonna great. This is a guy who's gonna like work towards that. But if your response is, well, we can do this program that does this, and you start going, all I'm hearing is you're lying to me. Yeah, you're trying to explain upfront now why this is never going to fucking happen, right? And even if you're sincere, and even if you think by laying out detail, step by step by step by step, how you're gonna do it. And as we know, you're telling people that you can't be trusted. It's, I get that that might be counterintuitive to some people, but it's not if you're like, going into that much detail. You're shady. Yeah,

it's always this is this is that's like a sniff test for like a horrible neoliberal policy as if it just can't be explained quickly. Like, you know, you can do like with the rush solo, you can do a thing where you, you know, go on, like a longer podcast, or do like a sit down interview, where maybe you go into the details of how Medicare for All will actually be paid for 2% tax, but you're saving money in this way. And, you know, that's interesting to some people, and it's necessary, you know, for some people to get on board with the policies. I'm not saying don't don't do it. But I mean, like, this idea that, like, nobody can understand what's happening here, unless they're so educated and smart. And, you know, a self identified hobby policy walk regular people, like as in anybody who's not that 7% of people just hates that shit. So much.

They do. And then the leap. It's something which is why it's so dangerous, because on the one hand, as you say, on the left, they're really good at it. And it's great. I mean, so I do populism on the left is, is one thing, and it's effective. But that's just going to drive people to something, you know, and if they're not as ideologically secure, their response to that is going to be simply based on the fact that what you're saying makes sense to them. And it's clear without any regard. So like, you listen to one of these idiots talk for 45 minutes about some plan. And then you go off and you see another guy who's like, oh, it's the Jews fault. And they're like, Oh, that's such a relief. Yeah, I'm with that guy. Yeah. That's the danger. They just they they drive people away from them. Yeah.

And it's also like, explain Obamacare to someone. Yeah. Just tried to explain it.

Yeah.

Yeah, I've known a lot of attention to politics, and I'm not even sure how it's working anymore. I know that there are some subsidies. I know that I don't.

It's an epic disaster. It is. Like my health insurance is like I feel like I'm in I'm in bed with the mafia. Like it's it's if the mafia ran healthcare, this is what it would be like.

Yeah. Yeah, it's awful. And people just Yeah, man, you know, people just love to. I think like one of the things that is kind of horrible about this kind of like hobbyist, like political culture where everybody like, pays attention to things, it's like, you know, you can just pretend that anybody who doesn't agree with you, like, they just don't understand and they don't get it. And it's like the idea that like, healthcare, for example, should be free and universal. That is not like a position that you arrive at after looking at 5000 charts and graphs, that's like, No, you shouldn't have to lose your home because you get cancer. It's a moral idea. You know, and I think that these people who are just very contemptuous of low income people, they get to hide behind, you know, all of this, like, here's the data and the front, you know, it's awful.

Let's, let's get into chapter nine, a pathway to politics in which now we really just have nothing to do with leadership at all. He's just rambling and telling stories.

pathway to politics, that's good. Because what I was gonna say, with this recession coming, I'm gonna need some kind of job. So let's hear it. Yeah.

And my dad found out I got in and we were having dinner, he said, you know, are you going to go to Harvard Business School? I said, Oh, no. He said, You got to think about it, because it'll open new horizons for you. And that's what convinced me as you'd go, and it did. You know, it gave me a toolbox. I learned a lot about, you know, investment and finance and stuff. But my heart really wasn't there. My heart was in being an entrepreneur. And short, the Harvard Business School gave me the confidence to take risk.

No, it did not give me toolbox. It gave him connections. When he catches did he need he was

I mean, he's been he's been a total like, like, he's just been a combination between just like a succubus and a failure up to this point, right. I mean,

I love it. That's so funny.

I mean, that's it. And now he's like, now, he's telling us how to hurt he went to Harvard, Harvard Business School, he didn't know what else to do will look good on the resume. He wants to hang on college a little bit longer. And he got he had a free pass, because his daddy went there. Like, it's just all so

what risks did he take? Also, that fall back, you can always go back, you know, go to some business that has friends. Finally, it's mother's friends with, you know, finance for him.

Yeah. Or bail him out when he got into debt.

Yeah. So then he talks about how he decided to get into politics,

that was deeply concerned about education in Texas. And I felt it was failing. And I'll never forget, Governor Richards was asked, I've tried something now when somebody showed me what to do when it came to education, and I turned to Laura, and so I'm gonna show her what to do. And she said, You're out of your mind. I said, No, I'm gonna run for governor. I think that's pretty well known. When I ran for governor, I spent a lot of time selling tickets for the Texas Rangers. I went out of my way to sign autographs. And thank the fans for coming. As I sat with the fans, not in a not in a box, and some pretty well known as a baseball guy and parts of the state. And so when I made the announcement, people were interested. And so I got together with some friends who weren't sure I could win, but nevertheless, we're willing to work to develop an agenda and start selling it. And I know it seemed impossible to a lot of people after all, when I told mother I said, Mom, I'm running for governor, she said, you will not win. You know, your attitude was you may be right. But because you said that I'm going to work even harder.

Apparently this is this is true earlier, she said that every time you read

that's funny. She's

I just imagine him sitting there watching the governor on TV, you know, go through he's like 48 beers into it. She's like, Yeah, show me and he's like, I'm gonna show I gotta show

but that's not what happened. I mean, know what happened the story he knew that he obviously they were grooming him to be governor. They were you know, building up his business trying to make it like he was a businessman getting him out there in front of people like this is all a giant grueling process over

gotten in earlier he's claiming like this is how to get the politics he brands like the seat of a retiring Democratic Congressman he law right. And they went back to our booster oil getting paid to be you know, George Bush's son. And yeah, so even this story is bullshit.

Yeah, it's all nonsense. So then he

runs afoul of the party got together with some friends know this podcast is what happens when you get together with like some absolute fucking monsters with more money that God wanted to keep Mackay, the world on its spiraling, destructive. Goddamnit somebody runs and wins the election as governor. Here's here's his version.

It was the beginning of a joyous journey as governor of Texas, by Debbie myself as a uniter and not a divider. I think, as governor, I was pretty successful doing that in Texas because I had partners, Lieutenant Governor speaker who were willing to work together to unite rather than divide. In my case, there was a Democrat house and a Democrat Senate. And if I wanted to get anything done, like I told the people of Texas I was gonna do, I had to work with him. But more importantly, I wanted to work with him.

Is that's not true. The job is never I didn't know this before. But the job of Governor of Texas is really light. It's like, I don't know if he's like here in LA, we have what's called the weak mayor system, which means City Council's much more powerful. And they sort of have that with the governor in Texas did not know that. There's almost no real power. And everything back then was done by the Lieutenant Governor and the House speaker. Both of them were Democrats. And Bush came in and he basically worked with them to get laws passed that they were already working on that were already sort of destined to pass and he would just sort of come in and go, I'm a governor here and he feel Mopani fondle him, and then he go, Hey, I made that happen.

Seems like Greg Abbott has a lot of power, but I guess not

theirs. You know, and maybe it's something where you can take power, if you so desire, but that was that was not the bush thing. I do love. He says one thing in here that I really love.

Can you do the same things today? I hope so. But it seems harder and harder because of the polarization of our society.

To presidential elections, I labeled his opponent who was a war hero, a traitor. While he was I mean, he gutian.

I mean, this is this is the guy who's whose campaign manager created those. John McCain has a black baby phone calls. This guy is like the heart of the Bush family is like the Heart of Darkness of divisiveness like they are from beginning from the beginning of his dad all the way through. And his grandfather and rove

ran his campaign and we will be Karl Rove in our in our next series, but my god, yeah, for George W. Bush. I'm not the community, you guys got to come up with something. But for him to complain about polarization in America insane. I don't know what that's like.

I mean, it's Charles,

complaining about how the dwindling number of blonde actresses in Hollywood or something, you know, it's

Yeah, I mean, it's always just always kind of fundamentally right wing because there is no strong left. So if you're complaining about polarization, it's like a call to compromise between the hard right and the center. Right? Yeah, exactly.

Thanks. God dammit. This is amazing. I don't know. I don't know how we're finishing this.

Yeah. Hey, George Bush, have you ever heard of the polarization between workers and capital? Something to think about?

The last section we're gonna talk about today is very little in it even less than any of this stuff. It's called entering public service, which again, our leadership, I guess, leadership, like, if you want to do politics, I guess you're watching this in my right. He talks about getting into politics. Again, I liked this one, too. It sort of goes hand in hand with the polarization one. Politics

tends to be a meritocracy. And by that, I mean that if you want to be involved in a campaign, the best thing you can do is to become somebody who makes signs and put some up and do the best of that. So that when another task is needed, you get called upon, in other words, hard work and their trenches, pays off in the long term for politics.

Really, George W. Bush, the best thing you can do if you want to get in politics is make signs on a campaign.

Yeah, it's a lot to say that with his last name,

yeah, I know, right? Like you What about just being rich, and powerful?

Well, then it gets into this, it just it just keeps getting better.

The lifeblood of any campaign is the capacity to raise money. One of the hardest things to do is call somebody and say I like money from you, please. I got pretty good at it. You know, takes a while to get used to that. The only way you can raise money is get yourself in front of people say I need your help. I'd like for you to donate. And when they do write him a thank you letter quickly, saying I can't thank you enough for your donation. Fundraising is difficult for some, but it's necessary because no matter how brilliant you are, or no matter how thoughtful you are, unless people are able to determine that through ads and all that, then you'll be just another name and obscure name

and obscure that his name was literally George Bush.

Also, I don't believe that he was ever felt weird about calling guys for money. Was that Dad? Yeah, I

think a lot of them called him because they fucking a hand to ya know, his dad was like head of the CIA vice president United States. I mean, it's like George W. Bush does not have to go hand in hand to these people. They're coming out. Yeah, I'm like how much do you want? I needed like dirt there was I remember seeing Tori Spelling out let's not bag on her. I don't mean to brag on her, but come on, immersing her 1000 years ago on some talk show talking about how she ended up on 90210. And she claimed that being spelling had nothing to do with her getting the job. And in fact, when she went into audition, she changed her name. Yeah. And I remember thinking what to Bambi spelling? I mean, it was, you know, please. No, just Oh, yeah, exactly. They didn't know it's like, Oh, shit. Tori is coming in. She's telling us her name's Bob.

Yeah, I mean, it's like, the thing is, this is like, you know, no new stuff. This is obvious. But there is something notable about that. He has the audacity to say it's in this format, you know, that like, nepotism is not big news to anyone, but that he's here claiming that, you know, this is like, you know, sort of his like hardscrabble rise through the ranks. He went to the open mics of politics. That's pretty ridiculous.

If he said all this stuff. And he said, By the way, I understand it was different for me. But I've been around politics long enough to know that this is actually not worse. And this is what you're going to need to do. Unless your name is George W. Bush. Yeah, it would be great. Yeah. Won't be respectable. Yeah. Because you know what, you have lived in this system for a long time. You have seen it from perspectives none of us have. And if you just tell us who the fuck you are, and then talk about that, honestly, I'm gonna buy what you're selling a little bit more. Yeah, yeah. ordinated no one knows if you do these things. He can't

though. Because this whole persona was the OSH ducks, common guy, regular guy.

But he also had times he talks over some of the other classes he talks about, like he was proud of his dad. And, you know, yeah, he even makes a joke at one point about how he inherited half of his father's friends and all of his enemies, which is a good fucking line. But this is just weird. Here, this is this is pretty glorious to

the wonderful thing about politics, is it tends to expose the hypocrite for all to see. And generally there's, you know, defeat at the end of that hypocrisy.

The first may be true. I'm not sure. I'm fairly sure. The second news, yeah. And truly, nobody in politics cares about hypocrisy. Nobody.

I mean, no, Democrat Democrats

do. Yeah, they do. But I mean, but nobody votes on it. Nobody acts right here. Not really,

though, because it's like, I mean, you saw like, Nancy Pelosi was out there, like, you know, what do they call it? When a politician is supporting another politician? Like she was at rallies for an anti abortion,

which was campaigning in Texas for anti choice? Yeah, and being investigated by the FBI for corruption. And she was campaigning for him against a progressive woman of color, who was pro choice and was being investigated by the FBI. While they're running around telling us blue no matter who and anybody who goes against him, he was just, yeah, no, you're right. It's like no, but but that's my point is nobody actually cares about democracy. They just teams, Democrats care. Yeah, the hypocrisy of Republicans and so far that they'll try to call it out. They don't understand that doesn't do anything. Yeah, turn a blind eye to that stuff, as well. We we've talked about this before, you know, if Donald Trump's eyeball had exploded blood during a debate, you know, Democrats would have been all over that. But there's still time. Yeah, there's still time. And then finally, he sort of talks a little bit about, be sure to have the right perspective and humility and all the rest of this. And it's another one, this is sort of like the White House press correspondence thing and his comments about his relationship with press. It's more chilling than I think he knows, at least to me.

When the tsunami hit in East Asia, I asked my dad and Bill Clinton, the man who had defeated him in 1992, for the presidency, to come together and raise money. And they did. And that was the beginning of an unusual friendship. And so you have to ask, what are the lessons in their friendship? I think Lesson number one is that Bill Clinton approach the relationship with humility. It wasn't that I wish you are I'm better than you are. It was that I admire you. And that I'm going to treat you with respect which he did, and thereby or admired my admiration a lot. My dad's perspective was, my life is not defined by defeat, therefore, I don't hold it against the person that beat me. And I want to get to know the person that beat me better. And they established a genuine Friendship lesson number

three class solidarity trumps everything

crazy, like HW Bush has, has done some of the most horrific things in history, including which everyone is upset about with Trump including pardoning all of the men that could have put him in jail for Iran Contra, right before he got out of office. Everything that he's like, and you actually if you're Bill Clinton, you shouldn't want to be friends with him. If you actually believe in like, I'm a Democrat. That's a bad guy. Supposedly. That's a that's a really bad guy. There's no reason to befriend him. None at all. No. I'm not going to be friends with Joe Rogan.

You became best friends with Joe Rogan. That would be really funny.

Yeah, but it's just it's and again, it's one of those things where just in your two are fine with on the one hand, we will believe down to our toes that this is the most vital election of our lifetime that that every time that person presents an existential threat to our existence, which I don't know about you, that makes that person really fucking bad. Yeah, Anthony was an existential threat to the existence of fuck the world. Just me and my family. I wouldn't be like, well do a podcast with him. I just don't have to hang out with a

threat. Dave Anthony. Yeah. And you spend

like this motherfuckers a day he's going to kill us all. He doesn't care. He has no soul. He's a monster. Oh, hey, five o'clock. Let me see what David Heather tonight. You know, it's like, yeah, yeah. What do you say?

Yeah, I mean, Democrats even like insert party. Don't don't care. Remember when Kamala Harris called Joe Biden, a segregationist? And then like, two days later was like, Oh, it's so fun. It's fine. We're calling Yeah.

And you know, what, a little of that. Honestly, a lot of that is a necessity, because you have to work with these people. But but we've gone so far over the line of Russian because I'm sorry. It's like, yeah, it's like if she'd called them out for having shitty tax policies for like, fucked up. That's one thing, but especially if you're a black woman calling him out for being a CFO for loving segregationists and other assets. That's, that's personal. And people responded that the people who bought it responded to it personally, and then this year, like yucking it up with him again, sure. I'll go work for him. It's like,

yeah, and especially because she was right.

Yes. Do the 100% Right.

Yeah. How do you go from being such a passionate opponent on such bedrock principles for you? And now you guys seem to be pals.

It was a debate so the lesson this week is nobody believes anything and nothing matters.

Yep. Yeah, I mean, that's that's the whole point. Right? If you If you forgive all those people and don't care, then you actually undermine your whole this next guy is the worst guy thing it just none of it makes sense. I mean, Democrats believe it but everyone else is like, right, you said this 20 times already about everybody. Yeah, it's Well,

what I took away from all this is that if I hang some posters, it is a quick ride for me to become the president of the United States.

Pretty much I think that's right the best

lesson if you get good at hanging posters, don't just hang them to be the best be good.

They'll be straight level

by one of them. Put Yeah,

I will. I'll do two staples one at the top one at the bottom not just one yep, yep, don't blow in the wind

change your life

we have and we and we have a couple more lessons to go although I feel like our next episodes gonna be five minutes long because these next two episodes are a lot of tweets we give a hint of what's coming or should we not because the last chapter this thing just cracks me up it's you gotta come back yet to come back next week and you gotta you got to find out what George W Bush's final lessons are for all of us again

nobody can wait it's so exciting

to see though schools and look back at the class grades or if they fail fast but good wow. You gotta keep around on this ain't the jam should have made it This is a

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