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Yes. Can you made me once one of them one of those episodes that I'm the greatest show ever? I have not forgiven you for making me learn about time that the Democrats did bipartisanship by appointing a Republican to the Supreme Court.
That one that was great one. That was a great one. And they privatize Social Security, too. Oh, yeah. Anyway, you should check it out. But yeah, we don't do that here. In where we talk about bad things. Not the best TV show ever. But before we get into our masterclass, I just I had a bit of a play the Bill Maher music here. We were talking about him earlier. I haven't seen him.
I think it's the same music, I think. Yeah. I think basically the same show since the time I swapped high school all the time.
So, but I feel like yeah, he has to keep the same music because his audience like I mean, they're all like 70 and 80. They would freak out if he changed it right.
I don't think they are 70 and 80. anymore. I believe he has pulled in a lot of younger, right wingers now.
Oh, okay. Sure. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I say these things and then we come to regret them because people are like, Well, no, you have to do it. But you know, maybe we should do like a thing where we ordered a few Bill Maher episode someday. Hmm. I wonder if there's a way to do that without watching them?
That is just painful.
Yeah, no. And the other thing is Serota will hear this. They'll go Yeah, you guys have to do that. But I just want to say but there's a thing has been driving me crazy. And it just sort of it this past week. To me, you know, a year ago to people listening. There was an incident over with what's that show the rising the hills? What is it like sort of TV show?
It's like a morning news.
It's a morning news show and and our friend Katie helper got fired for, as far as I can tell, saying things that about Israel that have been said by former prime ministers and politicians and some of Israel's leading human rights organizations. And for a group for a media organization that purports to be into free speech and kind of the left or most noisy fringes, but you know, areas of American politics, saying saying that Israel is engaged in apartheid is not a particularly radical thing to say in 2022. But she got fired for saying it. And that's not even the thing. I want to talk about what gets me and it's been bugging me more and more, and Davis, something you've said. And you're right is the format of the shows in which they're supposed to be new media. It's supposed to be like the hope of the future as cable news dies as only old people watch CNN and MSNBC and Fox News. And people are increasingly getting their news from things like Twitter, and Tik Tok and YouTube and it's quippy still a thing. I don't even know if that was a thing.
I don't think it's a thing anymore. I'm pretty sure it was the thing only for like two or three days.
And it wasn't even news. But by the time this episode drops, there'll be some other thing that the kids are getting their news from. And, you know, I remember as a kid back in the day, it drove me crazy. It was anytime, you know, CNN wanted to do a story on say the climate, they'd have a scientist Come on, and the scientists would go, Hey, we're doing shit to the climate that is really fucking bad. And if we don't change, we're all gonna die. And then they would go. And now here's an opposing viewpoint. And they would put some Looney Tune who represented about, you know, 1/16 of 1% of the scientific community would come on and go Well, that's not actually true. And the argument was, that debate is healthy, that if you put both sides up and let them battle it out, truth will out. But the problem is, of course, first of all, it's not entirely true debate doesn't actually lead to that, in general. That's why presidential debates are just purely entertainment. And also, when you take points of view that represent tiny fringe minorities and place them up against, you know, scientific consensus, you're giving them equal weight. So even if you're looking at that idiot who's going climate change is caused by trees, if you by the way, shared by former President of ours. Yes. And you're saying here are two equal and opposite views, and they are not equal and opposite views. They are opposite views, but they are not by any means equal. And what happens as one could predict at the time and what did happen is slowly over time, people's belief in climate change eroded.
And you've seen the same thing play out with COVID.
And just yeah, you saw exactly the same thing globally seen and played out with many, many things. And it's a bad idea, you know, and I no time has not been kind to Jon Stewart, and you sort of wish he would stay frozen in time rather than continuing to move forward in it. But, you know, he did an amazing thing back in the day, remember, he went on Crossfire, which was this moronic show, in which he was a Tucker Carlson who was
the other at that time at that time. It was Tucker Carlson I don't know who the
was like it wasn't David Axelrod it was like some other some some it started
it started out with, you know, neo Nazi James Buchanan, another lead candidate back Pat Buchanan. Back in the day, James Buchanan was dead.
Yeah, he does historical podcast.
Yeah. So then I had a few different hosts over the years. And he demolished them and we all thought that was the end of that because it was yeah,
it was absolutely it was. It was incredible. I'm trying to find it with this is terrible. We're so completely not prepared. I don't know who the other but
I never got I do think I think that they would argue that they have a different spectrum, whereas crossfire was the Democratic and Republican view. I think they're If you were to take the the hill one they would say, well, we're doing a leftist and a, a. Well, the white guy see all there now is libertarian, right? Just like, just like Ron Paul, just the dumbest people who have never experienced life in any form are allowed to sit in a chair and say how hard things are for them, and they literally would scream if they were ever Gary, Indiana and their brains would come out of their head like they're just, they're just dumb people. And they shouldn't be given this forum. But to be
devil's advocate, just for a second, things are very hard for libertarian white guys. The age of consent is 18 years old. I mean.
Good point. Good point. Yeah, I have no problem. Those people having their own shows. It's the fact that this sort of like, you know, new youth friendly, allegedly sort of left leaning media is doing the exact same fucking thing. I mean, Democratic Republican, right, left, wherever you want to call it. It's, it's disastrous, and it feeds this false narrative. And it also buys into something, a thread this needle, we may even talked about this, it's one thing in your day to day life to have friends whose politics are wildly different from yours. And obviously, there are lines, I have no friends who are Nazis. I do know, one Trump supporter, you know, and, and he's a really good person. And he is I would call him for help in a in an emergency more than a lot of my leftist friends for a lot of reasons. Not that they're bad. He's got more money than they do first of all, but but he's, he's a private citizen, and he lives in California. He can have my vote, like, I'll happily like, give him my vote in every presidential election, it makes no fucking difference. You know, go ahead, vote vote for Trump in 2024 in California, see if that matters. And, and he's got great qualities. But if he had a political podcast or TV show that had a massive audience, I wouldn't go on it. I wouldn't have him on my show. I wouldn't, I wouldn't platform it that way. It's a very different thing. People don't understand the difference between a private friendship and, and a TV show or a podcast or a new show. It's like you're making different statements. And I think it's vital that people like he and I can learn to live together and find ways to kind of get through the world and find our commonalities and bash out the differences and so forth. I think it's also vital that we squashed like a bug. The people who stand in front of cameras and microphones and espouse the political philosophy that he's bought into if that makes sense. Yes, yeah. And I think it's really dangerous that the shows and the breaking points crystal crystal ball show with
well that's the That's disturbing. He just in terrible version of it all is because Okay, so the hill one what's it called? Morning? rising, rising? Yeah, like okay, so that was put together by a corporation and they're trying to make money and started thing. Okay, you want a job? Okay. I can, I can, okay, when you go off on your own? Yeah, you're now entirely independent. And you bring your dumb right wing and I mean, fucking dumb, right wing asshole with you. You're doing a service to nobody but your fucking bank account. And then you end up espousing anti science ideas about COVID which is extremely having extreme extreme negative effect now on children of which you espouse repeatedly to open schools with no safety precautions in place. That is because you sit next to a right wing fuckhead every fucking day and listen to his garbage and think it's, well maybe they have a point. They don't have a
film. He's arguing against all that is hey, I had COVID and it was really mild.
So he's a fucking idiot. Yeah, as we said yes.
I love when people see themselves as like the one anecdotal example Yeah,
I got shot at once and the guy missed with guns you people your
people got polio and we're fine. Most people get monkey pox and are fine. It's the ones who don't that's the fucking problem.
I think that it's like that. Would that show crystal ball and Sagar I can't tell like I don't know crystal or anything. I mean, to me, I'm not sure if it's Emoni making friends for exclusively or if they're just really high on their own supply because they both do seem to believe that there is you know, something with this like right and left wing populism coming together to like
Oh there are there those Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Their angle
isn't there right is the cable news is driving people crazy and whipping people up into a frenzy of seething hatred against each other which you know, say what you will about a mad TVs bouquet Incorporated is essential reading. But the solution to that is not to do a show where you have right and left holding hands the solution is to do a show where you report news, honestly and do not engage in that stuff. You know, that's the solution.
It's right. Well, yeah, it's like ideology doesn't exist or or I do we now live in this world where we're fascist and socialists are not completely enemies. Yeah. With completely different separate opposite ideologies. Like we don't we don't, you can't work with them. They want to kill people, right? That's their whole fucking objective is to have less of them's that's what they want. You don't say you don't do shows with them? Yeah, it's very, it's very dangerous. It's very, it's actually pathetic, that this is what the internet has wrought. These are the successful things. Now, this bullshit.
And I remember I remember talking early, you know, to the AMA frost from from Chapo trap trap house. And very early on, they had done one or two shows where they had some right wing goober on to debate him. And yeah, they're pretty funny shows because of course, they demolish this clown. I think they're talking abortion. And there's just a great moment where just like, you could just hear him press the exact wrong button in amber. And it's like, you will hear a woman kill a man on the butt. They're like, yeah, that really sounds mistake. We don't want to do that. It's not we don't wanna platform these idiots. There's absolutely no fucking point in it. Because our audience isn't sitting there. They're not going to their politics aren't going to be improved by listening to them slaughter this guy. And this guy is going to be increased by being on their show. Right? And what's the point if like, two of your listeners like are exposed to a guy and they go, oh, you know, he's got a point. What have you done? So they stopped.
I mean, I might be crazy, but it doesn't seem like the the right is turning in to watch crystal balls show. It's only leftists who are tuning in, and then they have to listen to some fucking dickheads say a bunch of nonsense. Yeah. So it's a totally pointless and you're right, you are just exposing people who can then peel off and go away. And there's enough, it turns out in America, there's actually enough right wing media that you don't have to ever have another right wing person on anywhere at any time saying anything.
Oh, that's a good point. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Oh, I was just gonna say I mean, you know, I think this this project, the crystal ball saga thing. I mean, there has been a huge push in the past few years to rebrand a right wing is something that's actually like for the working class Peter Thiel has been behind a lot of it. Peter Thiel, I don't think has any involvement with the with the crystal wall saga show. But, you know, I mean, like, these people are even using, like, Marxist language sometimes or even talking about like the Barbara Ehrenreich PMC and representing themselves as very pro worker. I mean, I guess there was kind of a nascent version of this with Trump's 2016 campaign, but they, you know, I think that yeah, there is there is definitely this very concerted effort to make, you know, conservatism seem like, you know, the this is the real working class, even though they don't do anything to support unions, or have any policies and benefit workers whatsoever.
And they're able to do that, of course, Democrats just abandon the working class. So yeah,
for sure. And that's a big point that Jeanne d'Arc keeps making is that it's not it's not the right and the left fighting each other it's the right and left fighting against the corporations, which is a great point. If you've never read a fucking history book. It's absolutely nonsense. It's just total fucking bullshit. And it's quite simply stupid beyond words, there is no combining the right and the left, we are fucking enemies. For a goddamn reason. We have different ideologies and ways of looking at the world. And the only reason they want to work with you is because when they're done with your enemy, they will slit your fucking throat.
Yeah, I don't know why the right wing shows up there. I don't see Ben Shapiro's launching a new podcast where it's him and you know, because he would Dave Anthony talking,
I mean, he would be demolished by any leftist going on there. And just poking holes in his bio vaiting Nonsense. It's just a stream of garbage. And when you poke into it, it deflates. Because it's so goddamn stupid and just rhetoric. It's not a thing that can happen. Ben but here we are inviting them on our shows apparently to talk and say stuff. But you don't see it. Ben Shapiro is never having that person on. It's just not.
Oh, to be fair, we are now in your third episode in which we are basically platforming one of the worst right wing pieces of shit who ever lived so?
Well, we're taking them apart. You can't
that's the important thing.
And sometimes Ben Shapiro does say things that are true like remember when he announced his wife's posting you just knock it what?
I believe that if you imagine sorry, I don't want to go very. That's such old news. But still, it just boggle my mind. Can you imagine the degree of obliviousness to just go out in the world and say that? Yeah. Is there any segment of the world I guess there is who's listening to that and going oh, hey, fam. I found my warrior. Yeah.
Well, shall we shall we get into a kid Shall we get into let's do it? Yeah. I think I think part six of the George W. Bush masterclass on leadership is titled accountability leads to results. And 10 minutes
till you want to know who
wrote this. I really do really,
really want to know who wrote this.
That's, that's yeah. Hey, you know, we had this big investigative journalist outlet that we worked for now. We should have resources we should be able to find out like someone could dig in.
Yeah, but wouldn't you be disappointed if it's like, a leftist?
out of work fucking screen, right. Yeah. Good job.
Yeah. struggle was real. Okay.
Yeah. I want to start with being incredibly petty. And I think it's fair every now and then just to kick this guy. I don't we tried not to do this. I think it's dangerous. It was dangerous. It's always dangerous. I don't want to make fun of George W. Bush for being dumb. Because that was an easy shot that people kept taking and then weirdly enough, you won. Well, you know, we stole two elections. And and but there's always that thing. It's like one of the things that drives me crazy. Like, you know, Clintonian Democrats will like go off for hours about how stupid Trump is. Which by the way, yeah, sure. But hey, that fucking moron beat your I believe what was the most qualified candidates? What does that say about you?
It's it's a terrible indictment of you when you say that how dumb he is when he just fucking,
I've actually thought twice and not, you know, I mean, as far as that's it, and it's terrifying. But like the idea of like, going into a ring and getting the shit kicked out of you, and then walking out of the ring and going wow, that dude was a terrible boxer.
It's like not the message for the beast.
It's because look, Bush isn't dumb. Bush has instincts that they don't comprehend. But he also used a model set up by Reagan, which is, Oh, shucks, every guy, you know, thing. But he's not wonky, which is what they really can't handle the lack of walk Enos, and that's dumb. And I, when Hillary was running against Trump, I kept trying to bring up the wonkiness to liberals. And they would always just go I love it. And nobody likes that.
Oh, my God. Not to make this on a tangent. But there is literally nothing worse than when somebody who's not a politician, not a policy person. Just a regular guy refers to themselves as a policy wonk. I literally there is no more appealing type of person than that.
I don't think I've ever women don't do that. Do they know.
I am sure, sir. Suddenly flashy
because when you talk about this stuff, and tasty foods, I'm not I'm not paying somebody but but can I imagine you like on a date this guy? And he describes himself as that. And
you're Oh, yeah, no, I've definitely been on a date with a guy. He's like, Yeah, I'm kind of a policy wonk. And it's like,
what what do you what's the quickest way to get out of that? Like, how do you you've ordered dinner, right? It's coming. He said, he's a policy wonk. And now you're just like, what you're just fucked, right?
I mean, I just, I just tried to change the subject, but the guy almost always continues, you know, insisting to me some kind of terrible
Well, anyway, I don't want to make fun of him for being dumb. But here's the thing. He's somewhere he's made a couple of references in these things that he's somewhere in Texas, maybe even his house. I have no idea. It's very clean and those but they're in a studio or at least on a set or you know, is that but there's there's cameras and I mean, this is not being shot on iPhone, they're professional cameras. It's lit there's there's so there's there's crew, there's you know, lights everywhere. He's on obviously made up you have to be made up to be in front of these things. So you can't be sitting in the room, George W. Bush is sitting in and not be aware of the fact that you're talking to a camera. Give me that.
For those listening, one of the keys to success is clear, realistic and measurable goals
for those listening.
Yeah, but that's, that's his are watching that he's watching that his appeal. I'm not kidding. Who makes mistakes, we all make mistakes. Oh, he's the guy. He says stuff that's not perfect. This is the guy. He won.
And I'm making him more likeable by laughing at him. You're right. You're right.
Yeah, and you know that? Well, I mean, we'll get into mispronunciation of words and stuff like that. But that all is stuff everybody does is what he does pronunciation.
If you ignore the fact that he's a horrible person like that. He's a truly horrible person who is responsible for the death of potentially millions of people. You just seems like you want to scratch his belly. Yeah,
it's true. Well, let's let's get into it. He, he's gonna talk about accountability.
Shocking. When they came up with accountability, when they were putting together the outline for these episodes, do you think they went can we really do this? No. I mean, they had have had a chuckle and they're like, Okay, let's go ahead.
I don't think they don't.
That's the thing if there's anybody and look, there's, there's a shot. You know, because if you worked on this thing, and you saw these clouds doing this, this podcast you might listen in if you worked on the George W. Bush masterclass, please get in touch with us here. Because we would love to, we'd love to talk to you. We'll do it. We need a leak, honestly. Yeah, get in touch with the lever and and tell them you want to talk to us. We'll, we'll have you on we'll do whatever. But we will we will not shame you. We can do it anonymously or not. But we would love to hear like answers to questions like that, because I think it's really important. Actually, before they cracking up. But here so he's gonna talk about his time in the oil business to discuss accountability.
A business where accountability is pretty apparent is the baseball business. All you got to do is look at the standings. It's the ultimate accountability, isn't it? Is your team winning? Or is your team losing? And if it's not winning, what does it take to create a winning program? The sad challenge for baseball is it can't happen instantly. You can't win instantly, you have to have a strategy to build up your team. The oil business was pretty clear. Either the well was a good one or a bad one. And did you have more good ones and bad ones, otherwise you'll go out of business?
There's a lot of problems with stuff he said about both baseball and oil. Well,
let's go to baseball because I'm ready to go on oil. What's what's wrong with baseball, Dave?
So So baseball has been structured so you can lose and make tons of money. So you can year after year, put out a shit team and come home with gobs of cash. And you're great. You know, someone's
huddled up and people
just want to go to the park. So they will keep going because they want to take their kids and have a day at the ballpark
or they wanted to spend time with another man in a way that doesn't seem gates, right.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And so and so what he's saying is sort of an idealized bullshit of what baseball is if you take out the business of baseball and everything else, it's it's it's fantastical nonsense, essentially.
So and that applies to his experience in the oil industry as well. Because yeah, he went to work with a company or bluestone oil, which was more of a tax write off than a business, the IRS allowed investors to deduct up to 75% of their losses, and there were a ton of
loss. 75% Yes.
Here's the thing they hit when they hit hard times, particularly hard times. A friend of bushes as corny James Baker paid $1 million for 10% of the company. You guys get the math $1 million 10% of the company now take a guess at what the company was valued at when he paid $1 million for 10% of it. $10 million dollars. $80,000 $382,000. Oh, man. Yeah, sorry. 32,307. That's
a baker is a terrible businessman. If that's what he did, and I would get
you wouldn't want to put that on your resume. If you were like, I want to invest with this guy. Well, he just paid a million dollars. Or imagine a company that's worth a third of a million dollars.
Imagine going on Shark Tank and and making that that pitch.
So the company was renamed Busch petroleum. They were acquired by a larger company called spectrum seven, they made Bush a director paid him 75,000 A year and give him a million shares of stock. Within two years spectrum had lost 400,000 $3 million in debt. company called Harkin then bought the company for 2 million in Harkin stock Bush got a quarter million in Shares Plus options. Don't know why they did it because the founder of the company had a very good point. The founders Harken. Yeah, why they love this company? His dad, his name was George Bush. That was the that was worth. Yes, yes. Like I just want to sketch being a good Democrat that I am. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this. The Vice President's son being given jobs he's not qualified to do simply because of his name. I don't see anything wrong with that. Do you Dave? By the way, who's apparently an addict? No.
This is that. Come on now. Works. Yes. Yeah, they're all well fail sons or fail sons. They have. They have Ark?
Wow, Kate, you know, we're talking about really? Yeah. I don't really. It is. It is a shame of our existence. David. I missed Hunter Biden had an art show out here last year, and
we missed it. And we missed and and the painting sold for a lot. Oh, wow. A lot of money. Yeah, a lot.
Yeah. So it gets really complicated. Essentially, Harkin was facing ruin for a whole bunch of shady dealings, and the SEC had to come in and investigate them. Somewhere in between those shady dealings and the investigation. Bush sold his share in the company for nearly a million bucks. It was one of several stock sales that he failed to report to the SEC. But that's okay. Because the SEC was run by a friend of his father's. Oh, so he's right. The oil business is very clear. It's very clear. It's all when there's real. If
it's not there, you don't make money and you go away. That's where someone buys. Or a friend of your dad buys the company. And then another friend of your dad buys the company and another friend buys the company, and then you sell your stocks illegally. And get no punishment.
Yeah. So that's fine,
man. Yes, it'd be so countability Yeah, it'd be so cool to be extremely rich. I mean, yeah, you know, person but it roll. Yeah,
you get to do you just get to do whatever. And there's never any repercussions. Yeah, never. Unless you go against the other rich people, like the Theranos thing. If you take advantage of the other race, they'll come down on you. But other than that, like Bernie Madoff. Yeah. Bernie Madoff. Great example. Like, yeah,
well look at Trump, like all the shit he got away with. But then he comes after Joe Biden, or, you know, he comes after Congress, and all of a sudden now it's a big deal. Now we got to do somebody's coming up for us. That's yeah, that's what he got impeached for twice was going after power. Yeah, not not not
the multitude of businesses he he put out of business in New York by just not paying them the money he owed them.
Exactly. Correct.
That's the art of the deal.
The deal? Yeah. The best thing ever, the best thing ever Trump is he had a a, a law firm that fought the people who he hadn't paid. And then he didn't pay them and had to hire another law firm to fight. It's, it's the best Trump thing ever.
Absolute King, absolute King. Well, enough of that, let's, let's talk about one of the things that bush actually does seem to care about in his own weird way. Education,
the beginning of No Child Left Behind came here in Texas, when we said to the legislators, if you're going to spend money, shouldn't we know whether or not we're getting good results? It's what I called challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations. We don't think you can learn, therefore, we're just going to move movies to this system. And so I viewed education as a civil right. And when I got to Washington, you know, 7% of the budget, education budget, more or less was being spent on schools. And so we said, Fine, we will support that budget. But we want to know whether it works and therefore measure and if your children are not reading at grade level, change what you're doing. And if you don't change what you're doing, there will be consequences such as giving parents different choices of schools to go to
Yeah. So this is based on what was known as the Texas miracle
is that like when the Virgin Mary appeared on a gun? Yes, that's exactly what it was.
The Texas miracle was this amazing change in schools in Texas while W was governor. All of a sudden, through the changes that they made, particularly amongst minorities, there was an incredible increase in proficiency and grades and whatever else. So you know, everyone was just like, this is incredible. High standards, accountability stuff. What, so that that leads to No Child Left Behind. Years later, when people went back and looked at the Texas miracle, what they did was just get rid of students with disabilities, non English speakers, minority students who are having, you know, problems because of systematic stuff, they just got them out of schools. So what they did was eliminate everybody who has a difficulty learning, and then suddenly test scores went up, if you can believe that. So that's the Texas miracle, like a light fascism, where you cut out those who are having a difficult difficulties. And you call it an amazing thing that has been done. So then they go into Washington saying, they've done this amazing thing, when actually they've done a fucking horrible thing. Horrible.
What's so interesting about it is that it was it was created primarily by business leaders, CEOs, of course, it's like bringing a business approach to education.
And that's, and that's been ever since this, that's been a significant issue, you know, then Bill Gates came in after No Child Left Behind with Common Core, and it's all about business. And to this day, we still have the testing. And one of the reasons that Biden wanted kids back in schools, was because the testing companies needed to make money. It's a huge profit center, and they give money to Democrats. It's just part of the cycle.
Sorry, stupid question, couldn't they? Couldn't they just do that by? Well over zoom? What? Can they just do that over zoom?
No, for some reason, they can only do it in person, they cannot do it over the internet. I would have guessed, because they would have to actually then go and create a program which would cost money, whereas they're just giving up booklets.
Yeah, little Scantrons? I think that I don't, you know, so I was a kid when all this was going down. And I can't remember to what extent George W. Bush was responding to or was responsible for this, like, kind of, you know, increase in very sort of anti teacher rhetoric, you know,
yeah, that's a big part of this. It's, it's, it really put, it takes the responsibility of schools, in what's happening with schools off of the policymakers and the politicians who aren't funding it enough and doing enough giving up support and puts it all on the teachers and the teachers. And, and then what no child behind then leads to is this over focus on the tests, which are the way they now judge what is a good school and a bad school and a good teacher? And that, yeah, and that is tied to funding. And so teachers now worried about their jobs, are teaching less and just focusing on the tests. And so their entire curriculum becomes geared to a dumb fucking tests, a stupid Scantron test, instead of like, taking what's happening in the world and applying current, you know, teaching stuff to what's going on and making the kids interested. It becomes robotic and business like
you're no longer gonna think you're just teaching them how to pass a specific test. Yeah,
when curiosity is not a part of it, as you mentioned,
and and then teachers, you know, I've teachers in my family, they quit because of this. Yep. They could no longer teach. They're now they're, their principals are pushing them to gear it all about the tests, so they can get money. So they're all fighting for money to make education better. But by fighting for the money, they're making education worse. It's a disaster and everybody said this is going to happen. At the beginning, particularly with over reliance on the tests, it was, it was just a bad idea. And, and no one listened to the teachers. At no point was anybody let's have the teacher input. It was all politicians, the Democrats, Republicans slapping themselves. Parents, nobody. politicians know. Well,
and that's I mean, that's kind of part of what I was getting at is, it feels like there was because there were when I was a little, little kid, people were like, oh, being a teacher is so noble, they should get paid more. And it seemed like a thing that people kind of agreed on to one extent or another, but then there was definitely this shift into this type of thinking that, like, the reason that schools are not functioning is because like, teachers are lazy, and teachers are bad. And the union is, you know, protecting these people who aren't even doing their work. And, you know, you could hit a kid and still keep your job. And, you know, I mean, the obviously, like, the the Bill Gates stuff was a huge part of that, but I can't remember, like, was George W. Bush, the person who kind of made that shift happen, or,
to be honest, his his, you know, No Child Left Behind wasn't radically far from the education policy that makes Al Gore was proposing when Yeah, yeah, they different in a few areas. But yeah, but it's always been that way, you know, think about the beginning of COVID, where it was like, the teachers were the heroes, we're gonna get our kids through this quarantine. And then all of a sudden, they became because, you know, they were going, maybe we shouldn't open schools, because we don't want to be exposed to your disease, kids had die. And all of a sudden, they were like, the pieces of shit or interfere with our kids getting educated. Yeah. And
it was like such a, you know, it serves so many functions of, you know, punching at one of the biggest, most successful unions. And it's also, I mean, it's like, people are so concerned about their own kids, that I even have friends that are like, real good liberals that are like, you know, all of a sudden on board with all of this, like, right wing, force the teachers back to school, you know, break up the union, whatever. And because it's their own kids, so their politics are out the window.
Well, and they've also, you know, the manufactured consent with that stuff has been extraordinary to watch. Like, they just put out the talking point that kids have been harmed by not being in school. Yeah. When every study shows that when kids are not in school, suicides go down and says mental health issues, schools cause suicide and mental health issues. So when kids went back into school, they started killing themselves again, and having mental health issues based on a false bullshit, but it's
there were there were there were some kids who clearly and you know, you and I both know people who, you know, oh, my kid, and then they can look at studies that go, yeah, a lot of kids were hurt by it. Just what a lot of kids were helped by it, too. Yeah, it's like those numbers, you know, the ratio probably didn't change that much. It was like, and you know, there were kids who are hurt by going to school for the last five years, who suddenly flourished and then and vice versa. So it's all it's like,
I'm sure a lot depends on your family. Like if I had to be, if I had to be home from school, when I was in high school, that would have been, honestly really horrible for me, because there was some very difficult medical things going on in my house. So that was like, school was like the escape. And I know, you know, there's tons of people that have tough situations for, for various reasons, you know, but it probably depends on what kind of environment you have during the day to be in.
I have friends who are principals and you know, in education, and uniformly, when you would start talking about this, they would all say, the parents who were screaming about their kids having problems at home, are the same parents, who were terrible parents, for COVID. And were a problem. And now they're just pushing this out on society, society, but the problem is not the lock there anything else? The problem is there. They're bad parents. That's
poorly there's also angry because they couldn't afford to. I mean, that's older. Yeah,
but those weren't the ones. Those were the ones screaming, right. They weren't screaming, the ones screaming, the loud ones. Were the bad parents. And the reason they're bad parents is because they're screaming people. They're not people who sit down and go how can we fix this? They're yelling fucking idiots. Yeah, I get it. You're screaming person. But I'm also not a screaming at school person. So this what the you know, Kid brings a really good point, which is, there isn't actually a uniform one size fits all. System for schools, like we actually have to adapt and change our schools so we can accommodate a bunch of different kids. Like the kid that does do better at home. Why isn't that kid allowed to be educated at home without putting a tremendous burden on the parent? Yeah, like there should just be online systems for a child to go I'm getting bullied or whatever else is going on. and I would get an education at home much better. Yeah, I
mean, in a healthy society that would have been one of the lessons we've learned from all this. Yeah, ways to do this that can reach kids who aren't being reached in a classroom. Yeah. And but there's also always going to be a thing where education is never it's it isn't one size fits all, and you're never gonna fit all the sizes, you know, but there, but you're going to compensate for people that
are being? Yeah, I mean, look, we've read the articles, like there were a significant group of kids that did flourished at home. So you know, so why not follow up that lead, but No Child Left Behind is all about one size fits all. That's all it is. And, and that that's really what it pushed. And it it pushed it so so what it does is it punishes schools for not getting good test scores, by taking away their money. So that's the opposite of what needs to happen.
Exactly. That's no approach.
Yes. And it's just completely the opposite of what should happen with education. Like, if a school is not doing well, well, then you have to go to more resources. Yeah, maybe created a special department within the Department of Education that specifically deals with schools that are struggling, and you have like almost experts that then can come up with solutions or ways to fix it. Instead of just being like, Well, that's it like, if you don't fucking get your shit together, we're taking all your cash away. It's really barbaric. But this is here he is. Here he is saying how great it was. And by the way, when he is now doing this masterclass, it is 100% Completely seen as a failure in 2015. They went back and rewrote it, not enough of it. Because at that point, the testing companies have got all their money in and that's never going away. But they went in and said, This is a failure. It's not working. And Obama campaigned on it. So he's giving this class talk after we know it's a failure. And he's acting like it's all great. He's acting like the fact that the Texas miracle isn't a myth and total bullshit he's just lying right here right now. That's why I like him
in an episode calls accountability.
And if we're gonna do something I don't think we're gonna do it again during this entire series. You guys all strapped in? Yes. We're gonna talk about one of the very few things George W. Bush did that is actually a little bit good. And it's interesting to me because I did not Did you about PEPFAR guys before? No, I didn't.
I I didn't didn't like, there's just no
what by name?
I did not know it. But yeah, okay, good.
And there are some grotesque bushy aspects to this, which we'll get into it. But he's about to tell you a little bit of truth here.
PEPFAR is a program that we put in place to stop the pandemic of aids on the continent of Africa. It turned out to be an effective program because millions of lives are saved. Most people listening to this masterclass, and most people in the country have no idea what PEPFAR is, when in fact, it is a health initiative that saved millions of lives. Early in my administration, Condoleezza Rice came and said, Mr. President, are you aware there's a pandemic destroying an entire generation of people on the continent of Africa, and I said, we better do something about this. Because I believe all life is precious. And I believe to whom much is given, much is required, and a lot has been given to our nation. I recognize the United States can't solve every problem, but we can tackle the big ones. And I made it a priority of my administration to develop a strategy to deal with the pandemic.
Sorry, before we get into it, did George W. Bush just say from each according to his ability to each according to some I mean,
Congress actually, can we just say something about Condoleezza Rice really quick about coming in and saying that she needs to save, you know, the people of Africa from the AIDS crisis when she's helping to destroy the people of Africa through her oil bullshit. Is that Is it a different thing? So like in certain certain things, certain things, certain ways you kill people are fine and certain other ways you kill people are not fun. Like she correctly she did terrible that they named a boat in oil, fucking boat Condoleezza Rice. Like she is a fucking terrible person, terrible person.
What you're saying is they should have instead named a new strain of AIDS after her. Yeah.
That's correct.
So nobody there, you know, he put the other team by the way, our beloved one of the great, unimpeachable American heroes of all time. Dr. Fauci was one of the people on this team put together a plan that really got AIDS, drugs and treatments to millions of Africans, and kill me.
Can we point out that everyone's favorite? Karen whisperer, Dr. Emily auster was against giving out aids medication. Oh, right. Great, because it was too costly. Oh, god.
Yeah. There is one glitch. But I mean, the thing is, the program was effective. Now. You can essentially here it could have been more effective. And the one glitch is, you know, if you don't see it coming here, it is
one of the effective things about this programs, we included faith based groups into the delivery of antiretroviral drugs, as well as information as to how to stop the spread of AIDS. You know, Catholic Charities, for example, has a significant presence across Africa, and we incorporated them into the strategy. Okay,
effective ways you know, what the most effective way to stop the transmission of AIDS is? Anybody?
Is it not our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?
Weirdly, the left out the part where like, you know, using condoms is a good idea. And we oh, they were big on that
I was gonna go with jobs. But
yeah, I was gonna say animals that not right. Yes, that's
it. Yeah. That's how to prevent pregnancy.
I was gonna ask those two girls that were at fault. Yeah.
You know, this is the same thing as this is the underlying current of the Iraq war is to spread the word of Jesus Christ. I mean, that's, that's a that's what he's, that's the problem with this is yes, getting drugs to people is great. But handing them pamphlets about how they shouldn't be fucking at the same time is not really how you do it.
So to be fair, I mean, this program is still essentially in effect. And by the way for anybody because this stuff, we've been talking about this stuff anymore, it's also I feel like everyone kind of knows this, but abstinence only has been proven to be exactly exactly this measure. Why sides have zero impact on the spread of AIDS or any other STD? Wait,
you mean people don't read something that says that they shouldn't fuck and then stop fucking I. That's correct. That is correct. Yeah, that's correct.
You're the fry. You're the first
and like a real sucker for doing
all those years of life. I've given up but they have the absence only teaching has been reduced drastically, but they still it's still there. And they still have no money for contraception. But I would take grading on a curve.
Oh my god, they don't
know. They do. They do not. But I mean grading on a crack. Like this is where a situation accidentally kills 1000s of people. Excuse me 1000s of people you know, it's like okay, fine there. They don't give up condoms. But you said
you were so like this, this is from whatever 2000 And whatever for whatever. So, you know, Democrats have been in office like how do they justify not going in there and just fucking fixing that and sending crates of condoms? Yeah. How do you justify that
unless you just re air certain aspects of the electorate. I mean, still we're never gonna vote for you.
Still millions of people are dying it's still a pandemic millions of people are dying it's could you
imagine a world in which Democrats cared exactly as much or as little about offending Republicans as Republicans care about offending Democrats
but so you know, a little bit credit being weird as it got we get the whole fall I mean,
the credit but the credit is what the credit is like. He didn't say our age and Africa right. He actually went and tried to do something. But then the other side is that it's still religious based nonsense, which has been going on in Africa for fucking decades. Cost untold number of lives. Correct. imperialist religious bullshit.
Yes. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the godly,
right? Yes. Yeah, you make a really good point.
Well, that was chapter six. Now we get into this one's really small one will probably be done this in about 30 seconds flat. Crisis Management is astonishing. This one. Honestly, I think we're smart. We can just dump the entire series on this one episode and we're just gonna breeze through it. But this one he talks about one of the most empowering Written ways to be a leader during a crisis. And he takes us on a journey through several and I don't know if you're too familiar with George W. Bush, dear listeners, but there were some crises during that man's administration. And we're going to run through a couple of the big ones, actually three of the big ones. But here's his sort of basic overview on what a leader has to do in times of
crisis, if the person responsible for dealing with a crisis gets rattled, or nervous, the people detailed to respond to that crisis would tend to be nervous. So leadership and crisis really is sending the right psychological message.
I, I really, really, really, really, really, really wanted him to say if the person in Christ, if the person in crisis is a reading a book about a goat, or something.
He goes into a little more detail.
The second lesson of a crisis is to say something, I mean, sure the person may be calm. But if people don't know that that person is calm, and don't know the facts about a crisis, what's happening, then all of a sudden, people start imagining things. And so if you notice, you see a local crisis and the fire chief is speaking, calming your nerves by giving you facts, for example.
Okay, so now we're gonna get into detail, right? There's one more,
I would say, Well, I would actually say that, like, if I'm facing the crisis, I will just sort of lean a little bit to the side of my chair, squeeze out a fart wink, just let everybody know, like, I'm just super casual. Yeah, like, this is something I do every day I got this,
no, you're being funny day. But my impulse into crisis is to run around like a chicken with my head square, head missing and scream like a maniac. So I'm finding this useful. I would like to hear the rest of this call. He's gonna get into details.
The third thing which is essential during your crisis, is to project a sense of compassion. I think in order to be compassionate, it's important to put yourself in their spot. I remember going through fires in Parker County, here in Texas, I saw a woman sitting on a doorstep of a burnt out house weeping. And I went up and hugged her and just sat there and talked to her. Leaders need to take time to think about the other person and try to help ease pain. I tell people, as Commander in Chief, but oftentimes, I was computer and chief
comforter in chief, so the core of what he's going to teach us about leadership and crisis. He's 100% entirely about appearances.
Yeah. I like to project a sense of compassion.
Yeah. And I'm like, okay, then what? Well, then, then pretend you care. Okay. Then what? Then look calm. Okay, how?
Then one? Well, then you put your arm around a lady, and you talk to her? About some stuff. Yeah. And then once you've once you've got like, so so there's a lady in her house is burned down, right. And you're president and if you go over and just talk to her and shoot the shit for a little bit? Yeah, that's good. You did?
I mean, that's what I do in a crisis. I pretend to care. And then I feel someone up. That's it.
So, yeah, I think was his dad was, there was criticism that he didn't care about people who are dying of AIDS. And the concerted PR response in the White House was that's absolute horseshit. As a matter of fact, one of his dearest friends has a son who's dying of AIDS. And he just spent an entire hour and a half in the hospital room with him, reading the Bible to him and holding his hand and violates one of those things where you sort of almost appreciate Trump, at least the part of Trump or Trump doesn't pretend to give a fuck. I'm like, Okay, I'm with you so far. The residents like now do something that actually helps people. You know, it's like, Who gives a fuck that George Bush said in a hospital room holding one guy dying of AIDS. There's this possibility that if bush and say his predecessor, Ronald Reagan, had addressed aids, his friend's kid wouldn't be dying of it. And he wouldn't have to be sitting in a room actually caring about somebody who's part of his Conclave, you know what I mean? It's like, who keeps I don't care that he's in his world. It doesn't matter.
It's actually the opposite of what he should be doing. It's the exact opposite he's you are not in a one on one situation as the president is president. You're taking care of all the fucking beat exactly right. And so all this shit is just like, yeah, it's performative nonsense. Yeah, but this is the compassionate Christian Christian shit, right? Yeah, this is why people like him. He's an everyday guy. He's gonna go and hang out with that lady. Boy you don't even hang out with that lady. It's the last thing that lady oh my god and then later on and then later on, he's like, if I landed my jet, I would take away all the all the responsive first first responders stuff because they'd have to, you know, look after the president. It's like, well, what the fuckery doing there as governor, you had your arm around this lady. Like, it's just he's just trying to rewrite every situation. Yeah, because he's a total fuckup enormous fuckup
I'm just imagining being in some crisis for my house is like, burned down and instead of like dealing with the fire department and and try to see if I could get the last of my possessions. I'm just trying to like, get away from some guy just being like, I'm really sorry. I have to go. I think you
imagined like, you're there. Outside. Your house is on fire and the fire department shows up. And the fire chief walks up. And he fucking hugs you. Would you turn on the fucking hose? Motherfucker?
I don't need your hug. Yeah.
I feel so sorry for your loss. It's still burning. You could put it out. I might not be losing everything. Now. Let me give you a hug. I'm showing compassion. Yeah, yep. Oh, God. So
maybe after the quarantine, maybe after like six months of being alone? I'd be like, Okay, throw me some human touch.
From even from George W. Bush. The. So I don't know. Can you guys like you remember like, which. So there were a bunch of crises. You spent a long time. So what if you remember? Let's start with Oh, do you remember? 911?
It happened? Are you saying that you believe it happens or
that was when that happened. So do you remember? Do you remember what George W. Bush was doing? When he found out? He was he was? What's it going cage? My little goat or something? I
don't remember the book. But I will that mean that it was
it was goat boy by Jabra.
He's really talking about goats to kids. And there's that famous picture. And he really does. I've never seen him. I also have a feud with Boston comedy is like people talked about how he projected strength and character. And he always looked, I guess he looks much more relaxed now. But the entire duration of his presidency, he always looked like a deer in the headlights to me, and never more so than in that picture of his advisor whispering in his ear, that second attack. And and I have to imagine and look, what's let's here's his recounting of it that we'll get into what happened.
We were at the elementary school in Sarasota, Florida. I was there by the way to promote good reading programs, and a child reading and the teacher observing it all. And also very aware of the fact that small classroom was crammed with news cameras. And and he wishes may or second plane is hit the second tower. America is under attack. My first reaction was my job's clear. protect these little children and their families in their country. But none of the cameras are watching my every move. And therefore I waited for the proper moment to leave the classroom. Thinking about what I just heard, got out made a few phone calls to prepare the federal response. I was helping New York City and say you're in New York, and prepared a statement,
like thinking about what I just heard.
It's like he just doesn't know what to do. So he just stays there. I just can't imagine like, as if the kids aren't gonna hear about it in 10 minutes anyway. Right? Like you just get up and go. Hey, kids, sometimes president's got to go deal with stuff.
Yeah. And by the way, you're here. Of course, they know that. You know? Yes. So here's what's funny. I mean, he took seven minutes now let's be fair, and I'm not even being you know. Nobody expects there are to varying degrees. President United States are where the buck stops. But they're also very much figureheads. And you know, even like an honest President would say I'm not the one you want you know, making the snap decisions in a situation like this you want a bunch of people who are qualified say that the fact that nobody felt like it was important that George W Bush get out of this classroom that we will go it's not as damning as you think it's just a little more honest, don't you think? I mean, before the election today look, I love Joe Biden like every other country in America but in this situation, he's not the guy I want handling this
situation. Are they kidding? He can't figure out how to get off stage ever seen but like, you know, but Cheney's different like Chinese immediately in charge and running ship. Like that's actually the guy who's running the show. So he's, I think they had it up in the air in the bunker, one of the other two, they got to meet in a place. Yeah, immediately. They got him there. But ya know, Bush is a figurehead and he's really not in charge of anything. Like he's just, he's literally a party boy who got into the White House and is just having a good time. And now he's like, Oh, fuck, I can't have a good time.
But that's what the Susan But can you imagine? Yeah, what do I do? Oh, yeah. A second airplane has hit another airplane. Is it the other tower? And keep reading to these kids stay calm. We're handling it. Yeah, probably, you know. But it's funny because later on, you know, he's like, okay, so he's got seven minutes to sit there. This is his, this is his formal presentation of events. I sat there because I thought I need to take care of these kids somehow as though that's more important than whatever. But later on, he says this, he talks about making his first statement after the attacks a few minutes later,
and I saw the shock, horror of disbelief. You know, I mean, people's expressions like, Wow, can this be real, and left the classroom and got into the limousine? hurtling down a highway in Florida. As fast as that thing would go? On the way to Air Force One, Condi calls me and said, a plane has hit the Pentagon. And to me, it was a declaration of war, and I became a wartime president.
So do you get it though? At this point, now, they understand every minute counts. Why are they he's got seven minutes to keep reading the fucking notebook. But all of a sudden, now they're hurtling because every second counts.
And he'd already read the notebook several times on his own time. So he knew what happened.
It's it's almost as if different people wrote different sections of this because every moment is, is countering a different moment in this class, that none of it is consistent and works throughout.
Yeah, yeah, it was more important to sit and talk to those kids. It was absolutely essential that we get me to Air Force One as quickly as humanly possible. It's like make up your well, except
for the seven minutes, except when I put up but I love that his excuses that he had to take care of the kids in that moment. You mean his job, dude? Well, he's trying to keep it. He said. He's saying he's saying I had to keep them calm. From what they don't know anything. Yeah, the only person who knows his fucking you, dude. Like, it's just none of it makes sense. Because what he did was just a bad dumb decision.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, it would almost be, well, what I was going to say, and then I decided I'm wrong. It would, it would almost be understandable. If he said that, like, I was really overwhelmed for a second. I needed a minute to process that information. But I guess the President of the United States is like, the one person that we would say, should not be someone who needs that, you know,
but couldn't it but don't you think he could be the one guy could do because he's the ordinary Yeah, shucks guy. He could have been like, I was just like, I needed a couple of minutes to gather myself and think about what I should be, what to do. And how to handle this. Yeah. And I'm in front of the kids. And I didn't like it could have come up with the thing. But he Yeah, yeah. It's it. None of it makes sense. Yeah.
So then he gives a speech, to which he personally makes a last minute addition. He doesn't he's gonna talk about that in a minute. But what he doesn't mention is that this last minute addition was done without consultation with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, the State Department, or the Justice Department,
I thought it was important to show a more compassionate side to say, look, we're hurting and we're gonna get out of this, as opposed to a bellicose statement. Although I did say if you harbor a terrorist, you're equally as guilty as a terrorist. And it's important at this point, to make it clear to everybody who's going to be advising the president and implementing plans. I said, we're at war. And nobody should think otherwise.
I just remember hearing that when he said that, and I was a kid. And I didn't understand the way things worked yet. So I thought, if you harbor terrorists, like, if you're literally hiding a terrorist in your house, I didn't get that that was going to be an excuse to poor countries that had nothing to deal with. Okay. But
we have been paying for that little addition for two decades. Yeah.
Yeah. And Saudi Arabia also didn't realize they were being threatened because they weren't. Yeah.
Exactly. And again, I mean, you could dissect this bit line by line, and somebody should, this entire section just on 911, because it is just an astonishing revision. And yeah, you know, insight into the way they lie, and also the way he thinks about some of this stuff. But his summary of the 911 section is interesting to me, and I'll tell you what he does at the end. After you hear when
a situation like 911 happens, your instincts kick in. There is no rulebook, there is no playbook. You use your best judgment, and you rely upon others best judgment as well. Obviously, there's a lot of collaboration on big issue, any issue but big issues, and you want to make sure that your instincts are correct, and you bounce them off. If other people are you listen to what they have to say. But on 911, there wasn't a lot of warm up for, for dealing with a crisis because it came upon us suddenly. And it's like life you do the best you can. And hopefully the experiences that led up to this moment in time during your crisis enables you to better deal with it. And ultimately, in my case, history will make a proper judgment.
I wish we were visual for no other reason than to just show the little smirk he gives there at the end about he's gonna judge him because he's recording this sometime in the last few months last year. And thanks to Donald J. Trump, actually, more thanks to the Democratic response to Donald H. J. Trump. History has been revising George W. Bush at a clip like I have never fucking seen Yeah, yeah, simply because he is not Donald J. Trump, and has made some tepid comments that were taken, I think rightly so as criticisms of Donald J. Trump. We now love this man. It's okay for Michelle Obama to hug him Vinci Gibbons you give him lifesavers or something or vice versa. Yeah. It's so sweet that they're friends. Isn't that nice? And, and he smirking at the end of this because where he sits now and at least for the duration of his life, he'll be perceived as one of the nice ones. Yeah. So it's okay to do that's now he can you imagine if he came out with his masterclass a week after he left office?
I mean, he is he is the most egregious example of a war criminal in modern US history. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it's weird, because it seems like even I don't know, because, I mean, I was thinking about, like, the end of his administration, even the middle and it was such a painful time, emotionally. I think, you know, and I mean, financially, people were really struggling and it feels like people did. To some extent, forget about it. Like, forget how bad that was when Trump was in office, because I mean, Trump, obviously another horrible president, but it just felt like there was this collective amnesia of like, no, it used to be horrible every day when Wu was president as well.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'll get memory hold because Trump's so overtly bad.
Yeah, I mean, Trump, Trump said bad things, but it was a relentless barrage of right wing fucking hate and hell under there is the same thing. It's just that he didn't use the same mannerisms and dickish language, but it was brutal. Yeah,
yeah. And I was also so that was hard.
I mean, and I don't give a shit whether or not you know, everyone was like, oh my god, Trump's a hypocrite claiming to be like, religious like, I don't you know, and, by the way, I believe that Trump doesn't ever like just wanted his body. I do you believe that George W. Bush probably does believe in God. And you know what? You don't give a fuck. It has nothing to do with anything. The people they allowed in their relationship with the far right with fundamentalist Christians was exactly the same. What does it fucking matter what they believe in their heart, it's their deeds that matter. And people are well dressed up, but he's actually a man of faith. Who gives a fuck, ya
know, if anything, believing that you are like him, believing that, like God is on your side is almost worse than the regular kind of narcissistic delusion that we saw with Trump, you know, right.
Well, their case is the exact same. Yeah, Trump doesn't believe in a God. He only believes that God cares about him and yeah, but yeah, just just astonishing. So there's another crisis during the Oh, yeah. Little hurricane called, oh, shit. Late August 2005. Katrina becomes a category one hurricane. 110 mile per hour winds hit Florida kill a bunch of people went 14 left half a million without power. Governor Jeb Bush. I believe a relation declares a state of emergency. And over the next few days, it became a category five hurricane.
Well, let's forget as he said, he says he tries to frame this that it really happened fast. And it was super surprised. Hurricanes happen fast. And the Gulf of Mexico you can somewhat figure out how that's going to occur based on water temperature. And in this case, there was a pocket of water that was really, really disturbing. That was super, super hot. And for three days, the hurricane was projected to hit exactly, yes. Where it hit,
correct. That is correct. Bush was on vacations. In Texas,
just like he was on vacation when he got the memo that there were people going to hijack planes. Remember he vacation a lot, just like Trump.
It's interesting. He describes the early stages of this. Thus,
the Federal Emergency Management Agency anticipated that there could be a need for, you know, water and supplies. And I remember contacting local officials asking two questions. One, what are you doing to prepare your citizens for the storm? And do you need anything? There wasn't a huge request. I think everybody at all levels was determined do something about it. Unfortunately, at certain levels. They didn't have a plan.
So what actually happened is the FEMA Director, his buddy, Michael Brown, video conference with officials and Weather experts and the president. And what did he say he asked to come up? He asked no questions. Not one, I felt it was all under control.
No, could you imagine? Like not having a question with a major, not one. You are such an incurious just stump of a human being that you don't have one? Question. It's
amazing. I mean, it speaks to a lack of compassion here. Because it's like, even if you, let's say, you know, as was the case with George W. Bush, everyone else in his administration was handling the actual business like you would think, on some human level, you would be motivated to ask some questions.
There might be in for that, which one of our favorite rappers is going to address later. But anyway, so two days later, the levees failed. 90% 90% of New Orleans residents fled their homes. This is some of that calm that bush talks about the beginning that you have to project he finished his schedule, spent the night in Texas then returned to Washington the next day, because he felt it would look better not to be seen panicking. And all that shit he learns during 911. But surely there's a difference between I must not be seen panicking, and I must not be seen paying attention to this major crisis. But he just for Friday, he finally heads down there. This is a great line from his very lousy speech. I had forgotten this but but it came back out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast like it was before. out of the rubble of Trent lots house, he's lost his estate house, there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch. Later, today was the famous heck of a job brownie line, which we haven't dressed.
It's just so it's just so great how they these Christians can paint themselves as just caring about people but really, they're just rich assholes who don't care about it. Yeah, I mean, it is a you can't say that if you care about people. You like we all watching on TV. I'll never forget this feeling because I even 911 was different. Because 911 was an attack and and this was watching the American government live on television. Abandon human beings to death. Yeah, it was gut wrenching Lee. And it's the beginning of we've now seen it many many times. Just
say that was the first time I had that feeling. Were you just saying Yeah. I mean, Reagan as bad as he was and horrible and you have made it I don't disagree the case that he's he's almost certainly worse. President Bush. There was never that moment of just something this blatant and inexorable happening. And, and your President and the administration just not giving
up. I mean, I think yeah, he, he didn't he get a cake on a on a runway, because it was his birthday, while this was going on, and then he got on the plane and there's a picture of him on the plane looking down. We're gonna go there. And then he goes there and he does. He does the brownie thing. And he does the Trent Lott thing. And it's all the juxtaposition of the two things are like this guy has no humanity within him. Yeah, there's a reason that that Kanye West said, he doesn't care about blind play that we're gonna get to that but but it's all it's all like, whatever their whatever he's doing here. It's so fucking grotesque. Because his callousness was so disturbing on a level that I don't think I ever felt from Trump.
No. Yeah, it was. I mean, I think the thing is, is the Christianity is what enables people to not see it for what it is because caring is the thing that happens in your heart, and it's the thing between you and God, whereas like to any person who is not high on that supply, caring is a thing that happens by taking action, you know? Yeah.
But he addresses this in a really interesting inadvertent way next, because he talks about that photo of him looking out the airplane apparently. And think, well, here are the facts before you listen to his version, Karl Rove thought it was gonna be a good idea to have Air Force One fly over the devastation in New Orleans and take a picture of Bush looking at the window with concern. There were other people on the staff who disagreed they felt it would make him look detached that he should probably be on the ground. You know, for a guy who's talking about the importance of appearances. Bush went with Rose idea, I will say this. If Bush was someone who was capable of emanating that kind of concern, and is still photo that that might not have been such a terrible idea, but he just didn't he doesn't. It looks like what it is just Yeah, before I pointed out, but he addresses this note, he never mentions Karl Rove. But name,
I made a mistake and creating a perception. That was untrue. And that is I was on Air Force One flying back to DC. And I was looking out the window and if the devastation was unbelievable. And I was confronted with a decision to have landed and shown concern, nobody really wanted me to land near New Orleans, because it would have sent a message that I was more important than the rescue missions, they would have assigned police and firefighters to my security. It's just the way the system works. And I didn't want to pull assets away from people doing their job. In retrospect, I guess I could have landed in Baton Rouge, which was away from the major flood and gone to a shelter where people had fled that problem and said, Look, we're gonna deal with it, we'll help you. But instead, I chose not to. Somebody decided they're gonna put a photographer in there. And they took a picture of me staring out the window, looking down at floodwaters safely above the mesh. That said, George W didn't care about us. And, you know, whether I did or not, didn't matter, because the perception was I didn't,
whether I did or not, didn't matter. Because the perception was that I didn't. And that hey, they accused me of being a Nazi. And whether or not I am the perception was that I was so let's move on to the next thing. Is there something missing from this sentence? You're very obsessed with how you appear to people. If if it was perceived, you didn't give a shit about human beings? I wouldn't.
I would mention that I that I do. Yeah, I would mention that. How I was feeling and include some stuff about how I cared a lot. You know, by the
way? I do. Yeah. I just feel like most human beings would have taken the opportunity to answer that question. You know, we're in this whitewashing our parents were trying to make us look, you might just go oh, you by what?
I'm looking at this photo of him right now. And man, it's just,
it's bad. Yeah,
it's like, oh, what's happening to the serfs? That's very interesting. Yeah.
It's, it's his, that's his almost best quality. As far as being able to withstand all of this shit that he took his he didn't care. He is the frat boy who at the party gives shit to everybody and does not fucking care what anybody thinks about him. That's his, like, that's a deeply rooted part of him. He, he didn't care. He never fucking cared what people thought at all.
Yeah. And again, I would say I would argue that Trump gets to that point because Trump would at least tell you your feelings about fan upsetting people didn't find it more upsetting that Trump didn't care either. They found it upsetting that he made it clear he didn't care. Yeah, like at least you know where you stand with that guy if you get it anyway. You know, we're in danger of doing the opposite thing. I'm not gonna let Bush turn me into a Trump fan but but he did he was referring specifically to that incident with Kanye and I was just gonna play the one clip of him at the end but actually this whole thing that Kanye said he will never forget that the context of it all is pretty amazing. Especially in light of who and what he has become in the past several years. You almost forget that there was a a functioning brain and a conscience in this gentleman. This is Mike Myers. I want you to play video because at the end people forget but Mike Myers look when Connie drops his final bomb on this is so special Sure, and then they cut away to Chris Tucker looking just as gobsmacked. Really great. But the lead into it's pretty impressive too and worth listening to.
With the breach of three levees protecting New Orleans, the landscape of the city has changed dramatically, tragically, and perhaps irreversibly. There's now over 25 feet of water where there was one city streets and thriving neighborhoods.
I hate the way they portray us in the media. If you see a black family, it says they're looting. See, a white family says they're looking for food. And you know, it's been five days, because most of the people are black. And even for me to complain about I will be a hypocrite because I've tried to turn away from the teacher TV because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before even given a donation. So now I'm calling my business manager right now to see what what is the biggest amount I can give. And just to imagine if I was if I was down there, and those are those are my people down as anybody out there that wants to do anything that we can help with, with the set up the way America is set up to help the poor, the black people, the the less well off as slow as possible. I mean, this is Red Cross's doing everything they can we already realized a lot of the people that could help are at war right now fighting another way and they they've given them permission to go down and shoot us
and settled but even many ways more profoundly devastating is the lasting damage to the survivors will to rebuild and remain in the area. The destruction of the spirit of the people of Southern Louisiana and Mississippi may end up being the most tragic loss of all.
George Bush doesn't care about black people. Oh,
it's so amazing, because I watched that live. If you don't remember that speech before him,
yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. And he because he's clearly he's so moved. He's already gone off script radically. Mike Myers is like, trying to find out where he was come in. But that last line, it's like, that is Yeah. That was amazing. And he's right. He's completely 100 every every word he said was everywhere. And it took me aback so much. First time I heard that because that that was the thing, you know, you would see those photos and it really was it was very simple. Here. Here come the looters. And oh, look at this family. They're they're desperate for food. And they all fall into those two groups, you know, waiting they're desperate looking for food and horrifying. One more crisis. You guys remember this one? Remember the financial crisis?
I do. That was when I graduated. So I definitely remember it.
Didn't really that's so funny. You know, when I graduated was the savings and loan crisis. I couldn't get a job. Yes, good stuff. Capitalism. Yeah.
I gotta say, and we've we've had on our old show, when we didn't, weren't involved in a shady financial relationship with him. And I've said this on the show, I think David's as well. So I feel you can go back and find that but if you want the best breakdown of all on the economic and financial crash, check it out. David sorrows podcast meltdown, it's genuinely phenomenal. It's It's just incredible piece of work, just incredibly detailed. So Bush introduces this thing to pay attention to the clip that he plays when he tells us about the financial crisis. The
financial crisis was something I didn't want to end my presidency on. When I had this vision of me, getting on a horse and riding off into the sunset and say, in eight years had been great, thank you. But instead, before the end of my presidency, we began to get rumblings that the mortgage market was soft.
As far back as 2005, emerging signs of a mortgage meltdown, were leading some of the industry to lose sleep.
In April, we had 400,000 families facing foreclosure, that's 400,000 in one month, when on average, we would only get 250,000 a year.
So hold on, I thought for a minute. Remember 2005 and bushes. They're choosing to include this clip, which they say five emerging signs in 2005 of the crisis. Okay. Now listen to this. During this
period of time, I was constantly briefed by economists that we were on the verge of a major disaster, because money was essentially frozen. At there was a lot of evidence that payrolls were not being met Small Business couldn't get credit. In other words, the whole operating system of the American economy was shutting down, banks were beginning to fail. Big institutions were over leveraged. A House of Cards had been built based upon mortgages, and the minute home prices began to decline, a house of cards started falling on a weekly basis. The first real indication was probably in the spring of oh eight, when Bear Stearns collapsed. Wait, did you?
We did a time jump,
the first real indication. So 2005 families losing homes economy collapsing people living in the street. That's that's I don't know, that's not an indication there's a problem. But Bear Stearns.
There were multiple editors for this and there was a chance to proofread that they had to be like, I think it'll say something different and nobody caught it. No one involved with this cut that
I also think it's honest. Yeah, I think it's honest. He's like, Oh, well, here sucks to be damn hurt. Well, what Bear Stearns? Holy shit. Fuck me. Just I mean, it's astonishing. It's just astonishing. And at no point does he indicate that, you know, any responsibility for any of this or any, you know, more aware of responsibility for it. No.
Accountability, if you will,
it's a thing that he, you know, he could just easily provide accountability for some of the other people responsible and not take it himself doesn't even go there. Yes, he's still beholden to these people. Yeah, I mean, again, this one's so rich and deep. You could spend all day on it. But I just wanted to grab a few great moments, think about, we talked earlier about Bush's business history, especially his oil company. dealings. Think about that, have that in your mind when you listen to him talk about the free market here.
I've told people I believe the marketplace ought to pick winners and losers. And here was the first indication that the experts might advise me to take a different course.
Yes, I believe the market should pick winners losers, except for it's my company. Jesus,
I mean, it's very cliche, but socialism for the rats. Capitalism. Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah. You know, which is just capital. Yes.
And by the way, the the argument can be made that the mentality that led to, you know, that that was described in his oil company experience, and the actions thereof of the various people there are played a huge part in what happened to them. You know, I love this part, too. He talks about Hank Paulson and telling him like, you know, keep bailing if people have more money, more money, more money, it's not working out. Hank Paulson tells them what we've got to do. Over the next few weeks, conditions worsened significantly.
He said, we've got one option, one alternative, which was in essence, to take taxpayers money through tarp, and as opposed to trying to buy troubled assets, giving the money directly to the big banks in the United States. It took about a nanosecond to realize what a political disaster this would be. When I think about my buddies out in Texas, sit around the coffee shop, saying can you imagine what Bush just did? He took my money I've been paying my mortgages and my taxes and gave it to the people that created the instruments was no one could understand that created the meltdown. He lost his mind. And, and yet, Paulson is adamant that this is the only way to solve the problem. I said, Okay. You handle the policy, and I'll handle the politics.
Okay, here we go. Let's go. Let's go, Paul.
That was definitely one of those years so close moments.
There's another way to do it. If you scan the money to the people, there isn't a political problem. You
don't want to focus on trivialities here But who are these friends of his who are sitting around in a coffee shop?
I know.
Bubbles hipster coffee shop?
Yeah. Yeah, they're all getting hammered by those mortgages. The taxes on him and he's got these rich sons of bitches George, buddy, what do you think in PAL? As they sit there macchiatos What the fuck? It's
Who are these people? Who are those friends? I want them to name those friends.
There's buddies Frank, Jimmy.
He said that with a straight face. My buddies are back in Texas at a coffee shop. First of all, let's talk about the fact that George Bush is not really from Texas, because right but you want to give that away real quick start talking about the Connecticut coffee shop. You know, that's just Connecticut coming through.
Yeah, but these are the lies he was trying to bait telling it to me has been the person has been putting out for years. So it's just easy. It flows out of a coffee
shop and it's just a gun store or a folder.
I'll just say if you were a real Texan, you wouldn't be talking about a fucking coffee shop. I'm sorry. But Yeah, that was that was his kinetic and coming through. But yeah, I don't know why this really is the one I wish you could just share the entirety of the video and audio with the world because it's it's just astonishing. I mean, I want to get to he does wrap it up with some lessons he's learned along the way. But I wondered like, do you have anything else you wanted to hit with this stuff? Because it's just there's so much here.
I mean, other than the fact that jet fuel can't melt steel beams? No
how'd you do this? Yeah. Your study buddy has been studying up
you know, what drives me nuts throughout that whole thing. It makes me crazy. And it's a it's it's the promise so much of this stuff is you don't need to go that far. You don't need to go into this insane world where the President knighted states is plotting the destruction of Trade Center. They knew it was coming. And they did nothing. More than enough, more than enough,
you know, besides the memo, that, and I have never been able to locate this. But I was watching it was like Dateline, or 2020, about eight months before 911. And the reporter was in one of those classic Toyota trucks with a Taliban guy. And they're driving around Afghanistan. And the Taliban guy says, Oh, we could take out your Pentagon tomorrow. And the reporter just kind of laughs and he goes, really? And he goes, Yeah, we know how to do it. So there's no way that American intelligence didn't know what the Taliban was talking about. It's on the fucking TV. And then they get a memo saying we're gonna hijack planes. Like it's just crazy that you need to go to a conspiracy theory about all the shit when it's just pure, beautiful American incompetence and lays Yeah, I
mean, the financial crisis to like people have all these, you know, conspiracy theories about like, the Illuminati and all, you know, all sorts of different flavors of anti semitic versions of it. But if you wanted to say like, Hey, there's like a very small group of rich people calling the shots. That's literally just capitalism.
Right? Yeah. Right. Yeah. But all this stuff serves to mitigate these things. If you're George W. Bush, if you're the people responsible for basically ignoring the warnings. You are the primary beneficiary of the people who are claiming that you plan the destruction of the World Trade Center. Yeah. Because it destroy it. Whoever believed that's a person who would have been prone to understand your responsibility for it. Who is now buying into barking mannequins.
sounds insane then yeah,
instead they could have been on the side of the folks are like hey, you should be held accountable but instead they're off going no, no, no, it's you know, it all they always do this like fucking pizza again. It's like, Oh, my God, the US government is run by Penn arrest and guys, you get Jeffrey Epstein. You don't need this convoluted thing about pepperoni means nine year old boy, you don't fucking distract people who could be relied upon to stand with you and the truth by giving them crazy shit to believe because it's easy to believe crazy shit, too.
Yeah. For some reason it is.
Yeah, you know, I Russia, Russia. It's Russia's fault that Hillary Clinton lost. As though this one makes me insane. As though Vladimir Putin could concoct this incredible scheme to actually win a US presidential election and install a puppet of his own making. And he decides to go with the dumbest, most unreliable moron ever held the office who is that happened the first thing he would do is accidentally tell everyone that Putin put him here. From day one, I was like, this makes no sense to me. And it kept going on and on and you spend years getting like, you know, derided me called a Russian asset and now it's like, yeah, it's actually kind of taken for granted by the media. Oh, we will run Washington Post is labeled Russia gate a conspiracy theory. Now there's no I mean, it's all the stuff is crazy. And what it does is it distracts people from the real issues because I don't know if people know this. Donald Trump committed extraordinary crimes in broad daylight that you could have been focusing on.
Sorry, do you know what do you know what Bush did not bring up as far as crisis?
Enron Oh, yeah.
The reason he's not bringing up Enron is because that was 100% his doing his buddies. And you know, that's that's a big one to leave.
Yeah. but it also sort of segues into a little bit in the meltdown in a way that you can cover this and because they get it right, then it occurred to me, but I sort of like think of them as all being under that same. And they're not really.
No, they're not. I mean, you know, one of the things, that's the one of the things that people go back to, and they're like, well, Trump's not following the rules and stuff. Well, Bush, that's when they hit the logs of people who are coming into the White House to meet it was like Ken Lay was like they were meeting with Enron, helping them, you know, just destroy California and do this other stuff. Right. You know,
that's why those changes thing right? Where they shut down. Yeah. Which by the way, the next two presidents kept going with that. Good, good, good. That's the other thing is these guys put in all these horrible things. Liberal scream and shout about how terrible it is. And then a Democrat gets in and does the same thing and they're all okay, he's gone.
Yeah, Biden's Biden not only is finishing the wall, but he has gotten Mexico to help pay for it.
He's not finishing the wall. He's finishing parts of it. Okay. That was one of my favorite things. Oh, by the way was one of those guys was it the the Oh god, what's his name? There? Are those those those dudes on Twitter? Ragnarok lobster. Was it him? Or was it that angry Brooklyn dad or whatever? Yeah, yeah. who tweeted out when that happened that like, because, yep. Biden had gotten Mexico to pay for some portion of finishing part of Trump's and he held that. This is why Biden is better than Trump. Trump couldn't get Mexico to finish paying for the
downloads. The problem with the wall was it
was wrong. Yeah, we're gonna get Mexican Biden. Biden's great. Yay. So there are lessons to be learned from these crises. Because really, it's all about that. It's all about what can you as a leader, learn from crises,
any managerial position has got to be prepared for the unexpected. And it's really important to think about that you don't dwell on it. But you think about contingency plans. That's what a good leader does. One of the key things for leader to do is to learn a lesson if the unexpected happens, and share the lessons with others and ask them what lessons they learned. On 911 Believe it or not, the communications were terrible. Phone lines kept dropping. There was no direct TV so what we saw on our TVs was like intermittent disaster film. The minute we got back to Washington, Danny car the chief of staff put out there directly fix it. Let's put the best communications there are on Air Force One. And there was a lot of lessons learned on that day. How did people get on us airplanes? How did they were able to make phone calls without being detected back to headquarters of an enemy and we we analyzed every single problem that needs to be analyzed and dealt with a lot
of them like terrorist the worst terrorist attack in American history. The lesson learned is we need better telephones and cable TV on
the process of discussing all of these like terrible historical events I just totally forgot that the point of all this was like corporate leadership and that 911 was gonna turn into some corny ass Boomer dad like Lessons Learned
Yeah, I'm still trying to you know as we struggle here to
these are our goals and objectives our key performance indicators yeah yeah,
learn more lessons.
What motivates you as an entrepreneur oh you know 911
But you guys remember the the tragedy of DirecTV being dumb I guess not remember
was DirecTV down?
I just forgot that's a crazy thing to bring like direct the DIRECTV wasn't working
he couldn't watch his cartoons
I really it's like it's astonishing and it's all presented so it's all just so slick and he's so friendly and it's like oh he masterclass simply saying go to you know learn learn how to like cook a nice pizza from you know some some dude or it's like in Houston should be bush and he's just whitewash it all this just absolute villainy and Barbets area barbaric behavior.
It's spectacular propaganda. Yeah.
Again, we go back to like who's seen this? What's the impact it's actually having?
Well, I think it is. I think it will I think if you're a person who now likes George Bush because of Trump. I think this just cements your belief that yeah, you're right this guy is actually a good one compared to the ability of people who who do that sort of thing to erase recent history is incredible. It's like their superpower. And so this just fits right in there and there's a ton of people look there's there's a ton of people are easy to just waiver to the other side. You know, we just had another election against the fascist against the leftist and the fascist got a lot more votes. And the reason is, because in polling the liberals don't say, I'm gonna vote for the fascist over the leftist it's the Liberals that are doing this. So this is the same sort of person that is easily swayed and just goes yeah, this all makes sense.
That's a good point.
And I'm not saying it's all liberals the problem with the the liberal spheres, it's this massive block of people. And there's some that are over on the left of it, and there's some over on the right of it. And those right ones off they go.
K high, if you will.
The KR is someone brought this someone zone pointed this out today it is a it is a a a cover for white supremacy that's what that's
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Wait, sorry late lay that out. I mean, I'm
they're using a black they're using a black politician, a woman to attack a leftist and, and essentially, other black people. And it's all in in the guise of helping right white supremacist, mostly white women system that are in
it, too, I think. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna get very angry, I'm gonna
be called. It should be called Karen. Yeah. It should be called Cats. What the K
stands for? Yeah. Well, then we had a great imbroglio with them on our last show. And afterwards, there's nice article, I believe, political about how the K Hobbit basically died. So that was nice.
Yeah, I think that there were true believers. But I think that, you know, as a Kamala star kind of fell, they're less and less true believers and more just like, consultants weird. Yeah,
yeah. Weird. Yeah, totally. Yeah.
Well, well, I don't know how we're gonna top these two episodes. I've got a few more to go. I can't, I can't believe we've made it this far. What do we have? We have? He's gonna talk about communication and entering public service towards me, he's gonna go out by talking about his paintings too. That'll be
love art. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
But this was this was this. This one was draining. This one actually, it's her we traumatize me going back and re looking at this because you you almost forget, like, what just a barrage of of awful murderousness the Bush years, right?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
And we were all primed to vote for something that was different, you know? Yeah. Ah, well, we'll be back next week with two more episodes of our masterclass if we haven't committed suicide All right. I'll be back I will I will see you all next week. of grains or if they fail fast they're just here to get wild, you got your Trapper cave this ain't David this is a yada
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