Applesauce & Horsefeathers Ep. 7 | Interview Portion w/ Luana Kurz & Kevin Wilson
10:38PM Jun 20, 2019
Applesauce & Horsefeathers
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So we are here with our guests, Luana Kurz and Kevin Wilson. And we thank you both so much for being here with us today.
We're so excited about this episode; we've been waiting for this.
We're excited to be here.
Well, thank you. Why don't you start off by telling us a little bit about yourself? Luana?
Well, I've been involved in the paranormal for quite a while. About 10, 11 years now, that I've been doing investigating, but I have, you know, I don't know how much like you want personal information, like family? Or...
Tell us about the paranormal! What, what got you into this? Yeah!
What were your first paranormal experiences? What led you to the field?
Okay. Yeah, I started actually having paranormal experiences when I was really little. I didn't really understand, kind of, what was going on. All I knew is, I was really afraid to be alone, like at night time. So I almost never slept alone. Until my double digits, I was always either in my sister's room or upstairs in my parents room. And I didn't really understand why, but I had some experiences where I heard voices in our house. Our house was actually really active growing up. And, you know, there were times that even my parents had to search the house because the piano played on its own, and--
--strange--for instance, sometimes we'd wake up to the cabinets being open in the kitchen. And so that's kind of what started it. And then I had a... experience when I was in high school when my grandfather died. And really, that's what started my questions about what happens when we die. Because when he passed, somehow I had the ability to see him cross. He came, I think, just to say...let me know that he was at peace. And it wasn't like a scary experience, although it was a little nerve-wracking, you know, because I could sense that he had died. And that's kind of what led me to the paranormal, and I didn't really do much with it for a while. I had -- I was surrounded by some people that really weren't believers. My parents, however, were very supportive of that. And so, you know, as I became an adult and I had a family, I started saying, you know, I should really follow this path and see what I can do. And that's when I got into investigating about 11 years ago.
That's amazing. And what about you, Kevin, have you had any experiences? Or how how did you and Luana meet?
Yeah, so as a kid, I had a few experiences that really piqued my interest. But it wasn't really until high school... A couple of my friends and I, we dabbled in things that, you know, in hindsight maybe... I don't know how to best describe that, but in high school we were very interested and we experimented around.
So, trying--you tried to contact...?
So that definitely piqued my interest. And then fast forward a couple years. There was a job posting for a show and through that show, I met Luana. And we kind of built a relationship off of that, and it went from there.
It's interesting that you both had-- I guess some of your major experiences happened in high school. Do you think that's because you were, you started becoming more open to the idea?
I think so. I think so. After things started happening to me, I started doing more and more research and then I started studying more and more folklore, and various stories from different backgrounds and different societies. So it really opened my eyes and opened my mind for wanting to learn more about it. I hope that answers your question.
Yeah. It's interesting. We were talking about, before you came on, that there was a poll done back in 2013, that-- I say "only." Only 43% of Americans believe in ghosts. And for me, we had talked about it in another one of our podcasts about a couple of experiences that I had that, again, couldn't be explained through, I don't think, scientific or, like, no drugs or alcohol were involved, like things that have happened--
Yeah. And to me, there's so much more out there that we don't comprehend. And it's fascinating to me, and I've always wanted to do, to go on, you know, I don't want to say "ghost"--
But you know, just to really, to see what else there is.
Yeah, I have too.
And I haven't even scratched the surface. So when you, when you are out there, what kind of tools...? And what do you use to...? And do you see things? Or do you hear things? Or both? What's--how does it work for you?
Kevin, I'll go ahead and start and then maybe you can--
...chime in after? I think what we do best is we need to be also in tune. We have equipment that we use, and we use scientific equipment based on some theories of, you know, what people speculate ghosts are made of. So for example, we have equipment that is looking for electro magnetic content. We have different devices that--our recorders are designed to, like, record at different frequencies and even your ears can hear--that an ear can hear. And so with those tools, we try to go into the location and see if we can make contact, ask questions. From our clients, we try to understand, you know, what the activity-- reported activity is. And that's what we really base our questions on. But I think that, really, the best tool that we have is ourselves. I think that the investigators that can really open up their senses, I think a lot of. you know. ability... people know them as more intuitive abilities. But I think a lot of that comes in handy when you're investigating. And it's more, I think, that's how you sometimes attract, you know, different entities.
And so I kind of always pay attention to what is happening with my body when I go in. Sometimes you can feel it on your skin, you know, a presence. And so that's kind of what we do, is we try to use, we blend, you know, some of this stuff is just, you know, no matter what kinds of scientific tools we use, there's just, it doesn't really fit in the box of Western science today.
And so we do the best to try to capture what we can scientifically. And I think that the more that you can become open to, you know, trying to use logic when you investigate, but also not try-- I just have more that has-- I've encountered when I have let that go. Because when I first started investigating, it was like I debunked everything. I mean, you could really make a case to deunk every single thing. And you know, what we try to do is use logic and say, "Can that be ambient noises in the building that's creating that?" You know, that logic, but at the same time, when I can put that aside, and I just started really believing because of all these personal experiences that I had that weren't documented, I just finally got to a point in my investigative experiences where I said, you know, I'm gonna just put that aside and just see if I believe, like, what will come to me? You know, I know I've seen things, I know I've experienced things that I can't document. And it just really opened things up for me.
So cool. So with that, like, same thing, like I've experienced stuff that you can't really...
Logically explain. Do you think that those skills that you have in being intuitive, is that something that you can open up more? Because I do believe that there are people that are intuitive and people that aren't open to that yet.
And if you're somebody that is, is that something that you think you can...
Absolutely. Yeah, I absolutely believe that. Because, you know, I think that as I look back and a lot of children, I mean, I have children of my own. So I look at when we're young, I think we're very intuitive. I think that we get conditioned as we go through life by--
I have actually worked really hard with intuitives when I started doing investigating to try to open myself up more psychically. And the more that I have, the more I've experienced. So it's something I think we all have the ability, some of us just land on 'em easier than others. And then I think that anybody can can work with intuitives and take classes and learn how to really open up their psychic abilities more. Because I think that that's what I've encountered with most investigators. That's really what helps me connect with whatever's out there.
--society and we start shutting down those abilities. I really believe that. And so, I just think that kids, you know, sometimes we chalk it up to "you have an imaginary friend", which, you know, may be a possibility, but I really do believe that children see and sense more than we give them credit for. And as we get older, we lose that ability.
That's amazing. What do you...
If I could--
You know, when I first met Lu, I came on board pretty much as a documentarian. You video it, <indistinct> But the more I went out with her group, it definitely... it grew, for the lack of better phrasing.
Where I was towards the last time that I went out versus the first time, more was happening and... Being <indistinct> and professionally, there's things that I just I can't, I just can't explain. There's no reason for it within the audio spectrum. You can actually open up various <indistinct> different wave forms to be able to look at audio. It was... I lost my train of thought.
Happens to us all the time.
<laughs> It definitely changed how I viewed the capturing of evidence, if you will. The more you do it, I feel like the more open, the more you can attract and get.
Yeah, well, that makes I think that's kind of the theory that the more open you are, the more you attract is... you know, a lot of people say that in other terms, like the-- what's the book? The--
The Law of Attraction?
The Law of Attraction or...
<cross talk> The Secret.
Yeah, The Secret. Like that type of a thing. It's like if you are open to more, and they've done studies too, about people that if you are more optimistic, and again, it's just how you-- so I think that totally, for me, that absolutely makes sense.
Yeah, I think it has a lot to do with-- Well, you know, when you talk Law of Attraction and positivity, you're really looking at vibration. And everything vibrates. And you know, everything is energy. And so I think that the whole concept of Law of Attraction, because I've done that in my life, I have gotten to amazing levels with being able to channel and, you know, it's just, it's incredible what you can do when you, I think, clean up your vibration, but as you start focusing on more of the positive, be more optimistic, and the good, you do raise your vibration.
And so it's amazing what you can do. So I definitely believe in frequency has a lot to do, vibration has a lot to do with what--in ghost hunting.
Oh, I love that.
Now, what do you say to the skeptics out there?
You know, I think that, I guess, I would start with saying there's a couple different kinds of skeptics that I've encountered. There are the hard skeptics and honestly, I'm not gonna say anything to them, because no matter what I say, I really don't--their mind is already made up.
But there are skeptics that just have never had anything happen. And I've had a lot of those kind of skeptics that are still trying to keep an open mind, but they've never, they just don't believe because they haven't experienced it. And I can totally appreciate that. I have people come to our events and I have these conversations with them, like I understand, it really does take you to have your own experience before you believe. And I've had skeptics that were very, you know, pretty sold on like, there is no ghosts, that stuff is BS, whatever. And I've actually, after investigating and providing them results, they-- I had one guy tell me, "I was skeptical when I walked in here to listen to your results. And I'm leaving being a believer."
And I think that's just amazing when people can keep an open mind. And so I think it really comes down to, you know, I guess what I started out being an investigator that just wanted to be so much accepted by the scientific community. And, you know, I kind of catered to "What are the skeptics gonna say, what are the skeptics gonna say?", and I, I've evolved to the point where I'm never doing what I do to, like, convince people, like I love doing this job. And I've had some amazing, it's probably been life-altering for me. It's taken me down a path I never would have visualized. But I hope that I can share my findings and capture within that people that may be more skeptical that were keeping an open mind, that maybe heard something new that is really convincing to them. But I think that that's something, you know, I do what I do because I enjoy it, not to like really try to convince anybody. That's just kind of where I have--
--been the last couple years.
And what a beautiful place to be in your work where that, like I'm sure that's where your happiest thing is when you get to do it-- to do it and not have to...
Yeah. Oh, I love that.
Yeah. I've had--I've had one event that, like, I had these really hard skeptics come and it was just like a miserable experience, because they were just convinced that what we're doing is just stupid and, you know...And I really do believe some of this is cultural too, because I think that, you know, like, our Western world has a little harder time. We want to fit it in this box of, you know, science has typically been: you have your experiments, you run your experiments, you test it, right? And then you get your results, you observe it, you rinse and repeat. And you do it again, and you get your results and you compare. And when you have an apparition that appears in a hallway, this is not logical in this kind of research.
I think that when I look at science, I feel like quantum physics is really getting more into that kind of information. You know, maybe that could be a future topic for you guys. <laughs>
<laughing> Quantum physics!
Ugh. Have you met me?
It might be interesting, actually, to do.
<indistinct> I've had a hard time wrapping my head around it, I tried to study it. But I think it's really fascinating when you get into-- the scientists are just now starting to explore some of this kind of phenomena. And so it's, it's amazing. And if you look at quantum physics, I guess my point with bringing that up is that, you know, you could have different results based on whether you look at the experiment or not. And so it doesn't fit into the traditional kind of science that we try to put <indistinct> here in the Western world.
What have been some of your favorite places to investigate?
I would go with Waverly. Waverly Hills Sanatorium.
(cross talk) I had a feeling you were gonna say that.
It's in Louisville, Kentucky. Yeah. That was one of the biggest, life-changing, I guess...
...places that we went to. I remember-- I don't know if we're getting into talking about experiences yet...?
My absolute favorite, favorite were moments from there.
What was one of your favorite things?
One of them was, Luana's mom, we call her Para-Mom. And so...
<laughs> I remember walking down one of the corridors, and I was in the back with a fellow member and Para-Mom and Luana and a few other people were up ahead of us.
And I was talking to the guy next to me and out of the corner of our eyes Para-Mom was right behind us. Well, she eventually just kind of disappeared. And we both, the gentleman next to me and I, we turned around and started yelling out to her, trying to find her.
And she was in front of us with Luana and everybody else the whole time, and there was no way that she could have jumped around, just given how the layout was, of the corridors. There was no way she could have gotten around and did that.
I just remember the guy and I, we just had this sheer look of "Wait. What? How--?"
Now, why did you think it was her?
It just made no sense. That place is notorious for like, doppelganger--that sort of environment.
Oh, interesting. I hadn't heard that. They--so they, I guess, apparitions take the form of the people there?
I think that... Yeah, sometimes, like whatever was in that location...
...Perhaps... Kevin, did you need to add on to that?
No, no, that's fine. Luana, do you have a favorite one?
So as far as "favourite", I would agree from the locations that we've, we've traveled around to, you know, we've really had a lot of activity, because there was a lot of trauma in that location; it used to be used for the tuberculosis patients. And I think that, you know, we were just going in, this was the, I think, second time we were there. And we were just getting set up there, going on a little tour and I looked down the hallway, and-- there was another investigator right next to me-- and all of a sudden, we just saw this black shadow figure walk across the hallway, and there was a red exit sign all the way down the hallway, and it just blacked it out as it passed it. And, you know, of course, we're walking and I yell you know, "Shadow figure straight ahead", and it was gone. But that was initially like one of the most active locations that I've been to. I think that I have a couple favorites, but I did a mine investigation up in the mountains. And that was really, really fun. I just, it was different than a lot of buildings, you know, you're in a mine, and back in the day, women weren't even allowed in mines. And so, it was kind of cool. I had one of the best recordings that I've ever captured, in that mine. It sounded like an old, curious miner.
Is that one of the ones you sent us? We were--
Yes, it is.
I want to see if we can-- I don't know if we can, we're gonna try and play it. See if we can hear it.
Yeah, we're going to try and play it a couple different times. Okay, so we're playing it...now.
(Clip plays twice--listen to Ep. 7 to hear it!)
Ooh, I don't know if you could hear that.
Hopefully you can. But that one...that was one of my favorites that you sent us. It took us a while to understand, especially--
"Can you tell me what you're doing?" is what it sounded like.
(Clip plays once more)
Yes. Yeah. And that was actually on our what we call our EVP recorder, which is our Electronic Voice Phenomena <indistinct> for voices. And sometimes, mostly voices that we capture, they're not audible at the time. Almost all of them come through--
That was going to be one of my questions! Yeah.
So you can't you can't hear it. So you're recording, and you can't hear anything. But when you play it back, you can hear?
Yes. So when we go back to review our audio, you can hear it. Now, I do have a recorder that I can put my headphones on and I can listen real-time. It's a little harder to do that in the moment, because you're hearing, like, the mics are very, very sensitive and you kind of get this echo-ey effect. But I can actually listen real-time. I just didn't have any headphones on. So I was walking around, my camera had drained, I had full batteries that I just put in it. It just went dead. And that was one of the things that I thought was unusual. And then I'm listening, I'm sitting in the mine asking questions. And it sounded to me like somebody's asking me like, "What are you doing?" Like, "What is all this stuff that you're using?" So the voice came through and said, "Can you tell me what you're doing?" And that was such a great capture. In fact, Ghost Adventures contacted me. They heard it, and they ended up doing a whole episode in that same mine, based on that activity.
Ghost Hunters did? That's awesome.
(Note Christa misheard "Ghost Adventures" as "Ghost Hunters")
So with this equipment then, if you want to communicate, do you... If it's only on playback, how do you do that?
You mean if I can't hear it real-time?
Yeah, so what we do is we set up sessions and we kind of establish with whatever's there that, you know, "If you can speak into the recorders, we might be able to hear you." And we let them know like, "We'll go listen to this." And, you know, we just give them time. So we ask questions, and then we stop talking and we let them try to chime in and, and respond. And so a lot of the recordings that we end up getting, sometimes it's just as we're getting started, or we're talking to each other, they chime in.
And sometimes we're not even asking them questions. Like I had, I think I sent you one that we had, I was talking to somebody in a location and a male voice chimed in and said my name. "Luana."
That's so funny. That was the other one that we wanted to play, too.
Yeah, so we'll play that one now.
Let me see if we can hear this one. Okay. We'll try again. If not, we'll we'll put these up on our website.
Oh, I clearly heard the whisper.
(Clip is played twice more.)
Yeah, I'm talking to somebody in the background. And you go back through your audio couple days later, a week later. And you're listening for responses and <indistinct> or something like that, that was the first time I actually had a spirit say my name.
"Luana!" So amazing.
Yeah, I'm talking to somebody in the background. And you go back through your audio couple days later, a week later. And you're listening for responses and <indistinct> or something like that, that was the first time I actually had a spirit say my name.
Yeah. They say it all the time now, but it was really cool that those are captured in the moment on a recorder.
Oh, my gosh.
Here's one that said Kevin's name, and I have a question about this one. I'm gonna play it real quick.
Spirits, can you tell me who's down there with the camera, that's part of the team? What's his name?
Kevin. I heard it.
(Clip plays twice more.)
Okay, so that was super hard to hear because of the thing. But so explain to me what that other feedback is.
So the Spirit Box Tool is a device that you can set to either AM or FM radio bands, basically, looking at different frequencies of radio. And it's basically scanning your radio channels very quickly, or you can slow it down. And the one-- where we've been able to dial in, most of our spirits, is on AM frequency. It's kind of less used for radio, but you're gonna get like a little tiny bit of radio pieces. So it takes a little while to get to what is a little bit of radio. When you're hearing that, it kind of comes through as a "ch-ch" sound, because it's switching channels. And we speed it up to the fastest that we can on AM. And it switches and it's giving just a little bit of feedback. But it's enough, like white noise for spirits to use their voice and to be able to hear them real-time, we hook up speakers. And we did this one at our event, and one of the investigators that Kevin was working with was, you know, recording and said, Hey, you know, "Can you tell me who's using that camera, and he's part of our team, what's his name?" And they said "Kevin." And so that's one of my favorite tools, I was very, very skeptical when I started using it. I didn't think it was legit. And it's one of my favorite tools now.
Kevin, did you hear that in real time? Or you didn't hear it until afterwards?
That one, I want to say, I heard... It's happened a few times, but that one, I want to say I heard real-time. And it definitely, you know, the hairs on the back of your neck stand up a little bit, but it's amazing. And to kind of tack on to what Luana was saying, the devices...I'd always been a skeptic of, seeing it on TV and everything.
But the more you use it and... It's interesting when--say you have a question that only you know they're going to be asking. Because there's no way to go in before and have it pre-programmed to say what you want it to say. It really... Okay, I wasn't expecting to actually hear a result like that and it's really <indistinct> The first time you hear it, it startles you a little bit, or at least it did for me. It startled me, but then I just remember the smile on my face because of how exciting it was to have that thing--or that sort of validation.
Yeah. That would be amazing.
Are you ever frightened by any of this? Or not?
Yeah, have you come across any malevolent spirits at any time?
I would say, you know, we, I would say yes, we've come across things that are, I wouldn't call it evil or anything like that. I don't know that I-- I'm still trying to decide what I think about like demonic entities and stuff like that, because I just haven't experienced that level of entities. I have had some things mad and angry that, you know, we <indistinct> get out sometimes. We've been, you know, <indistinct> at, by some of the spirits, you know, sometimes I just feel like, yeah, they're territorial. And you know, they don't want us in their space and we try to respect that. And I feel like, what we typically get, I think a lot of what your results are, is based on attention. And I even think about, I know what you see when you turn on television, I think there's a misconception with a lot of people that like everything is bad or evil. And I think, you know, some of the shows that are on television have probably kind of depicted it that way. Because you know, TV, let's be honest, it's for entertainment. You have to have some kind of an emotional element. And usually fear is going to be that with ghost hunting.
People feed into the fear.
Yeah. And so when you look at places like Ghost Adventures, I can respect that they-- that's what they do. They go into the darkest locations, and they're looking for entities that have scratched somebody or physically harmed somebody. And so that's what they're getting, that's their intention, is to find those kinds of entities. With my group, it was always... when I founded CSI, part of the reason I started my own group is I wanted to make sure that we had good energy and we have good intent. It really does affect your results. If you have somebody that is just out there for a good spook, that's kind of what you're gonna get is, you know, maybe things that you attract that are not as nice, but when you can go into it and say, "Hey--" I mean, we have these spirits around us, to where--there's Steve, Seth, and there's a little girl, Edith. Those three spirits have been a part of my team for, there's just different timeframes, but Seth is really the one that came along first, when Kevin and I were doing the project together where we met, and that was, you know, filming those two nights, Seth started coming through. About how long ago was that, Kevin? Nine years ago?
2011, so about eight years ago.
With CSI, I can turn on my box and every single investigation I do, Seth and Steve will come through and they kind of like almost help us now.
Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
It's so bizarre. People think I'm crazy when I say this kind of stuff. And then I did a residential case down in Manitou one time and this house was just so crazy active. And the homeowner was terrified and there was this little girl that just kept coming through. And the next thing I know she was at a different location of mine and coming through there. Now when I turn my box on, she's there with me and she's a lot more at peace then she was when I first encountered her. I just, sometimes it kind of goes along with the job, these attachments, but I think the intention that we put out is that we <indistinct> good things. And that's what we've really found more of.
So does she follow you?
Yeah, now she's kind of intimidated a little, but I think that-- I've literally searched for missing children records and I've tried to research, you know, if I can find somebody's name with that portfolio, you know, maybe a missing child or something. I think that she kind of had a traumatic past. There was a male entity that was with her that would always talk over her and he did not like us trying to make communication with her. In fact, when I first started getting her to come through, he started calling me names. Like... BAD names, you know?
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, it was kind of shocking and every time she would start talking, he would talk over her and she almost was like crying through our spirit box. It was really heartbreaking.
Oh, my gosh!
Yeah. So finally I asked Steve and Seth. I said, you know, "Is there any way that you can help on the other side, I can't-- I don't know what it will take, but is there any way that you can help her?" And we did some other events with the public and she started coming through and we had about six events going on over Halloween. And she started coming through the first night of the event. And by the end of those, she was detached from whatever entity that was, that was always talking over her and she was in a better place. She was actually interacting. I think, Kevin, weren't you the one that was singing "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" or something? Or "Row, Row, Row Your Boat"?
Yeah. I'm trying to remember what happened, though.
I know that we'd sing, "Row, row, row your--"
I remember doing that.
Yeah. "Row your--" Or "Twinkle, twinkle, little--" And then she would chime in and sing "star."
We were trying to sing songs with her and...yeah. She's one of the ones still with me. In fact, the last investigation, she came through.
Oh, that's amazing.
Aww. Oh, I love that story.
Yeah, I've been trying to find a good recording of her. I always hear her voice. It's really high-pitched. And I'll go, "Oh! Edith is here!", and then you'll hear the other spirits saying "Edith" and at one point-- I used to always get in the habit of saying, you know, "Are you... I hope you're okay." And then, at one point, she came through and she said, "Happy."
It's kind of a neat story. And I can tell you, I know exactly-- it was this residential case, I went there on three separate occasions. And the second investigation, I had brought toys with me and that helped with more audible than any other location I've been to. I could hear a lot with my ears. And I had two investigators on site with me, and the homeowner.
We were upstairs in one of the closets, and that's when she started laughing-- Edith started laughing. And the homeowner jumped because she heard her with her own ears. And she had been telling us that she could hear things audibly and we just had never heard it with our own ears until then. She said, "Please tell me you heard that." And we had it on our recorder and went back and it was on our recorder. So I started bringing toys up there. And I stayed the night in that house, for the third investigation, and when I knew that I was not alone. I knew that she was with me. I could feel her presence in the car.
Oh, that's incredible.
A little--just to tack on to what you're saying about toys. I've gotten the impression that the more...if you bring objects, it can help bring things out. When we were at...just to go back to Waverly a little bit, the top floor, the child's wing. We had a little monster truck kind of thing. We had set it up in the kids' wing. And I remember a really loud train that was going by.
And I want to say this is the first time I ever spoke up and asked the questions, or what-not. But I just straight up asked, "Do you like the train?" And it wasn't until later when I went through the audio and video and everything, there's actually--there's a little kid's voice that chimed in and said that it was loud.
I remember it was heartbreaking to hear, but it was so clear. I really feel like bringing toys or bringing objects that are familiar will help produce better results.
I think it's also fun to see, you know, visually, if they can-- There are so many questions I have, I don't know that every entity on the other side can see us. So I do a lot with visual things, like holding up what I'm drinking or bringing a ball and saying, "What is that?" and having them say, "Ball." You know? So that's kind of one of the, I don't want to say "test," but one of the things that I want to know is, "Are you, can you see us?" Because I don't, I'm not convinced that maybe all of them can.
Mm. That's interesting.
That makes sense. Like if you, we can't necessarily see, with your equipment and everything, all of them, the same might be true the other way, too.
Yep. But it's fun when you use things like spirit box, because we can hear real-time and you know, I've had-- Kevin, I think you were actually rolling video one time when I had these pink strands in my hair and I pulled on one and I said, "What color is this?" And they immediately came through and said, "Pink."
So then I went, "Well, can you see color?" And one of our speakers had a blue light, so on some of our investigations, I would say, "What color is this?" And they'd say, "Blue." It's just fun to see, you know, can they see? Things like green and blue are often confused by a lot of them. Like, if something's blue, I get "green" a lot. Sometimes they'll say "Green." So I don't know if that's like a color thing...<indistinct> spectrum?
Hm. Maybe ghosts are also color blind...Some of them.
Or the vibrations of the colors themselves. That'd be interesting to see, like how closely the vibration... like the color... you know what I'm saying? Like the colors are to each other? And maybe that could be. Wow.
I think our time-- we probably have to wrap this up a little bit. I could talk to you guys for...
Yeah. Days, hours.
Thank you so, so, so much for being here and...
And being our first guests!
Yeah. To me... Again, this is stuff that I believe in and I'm open to. And this is just thrilling to hear your stories. And I love, you know, everything that you said about being open and bringing good vibrations and good energy to it all. I think that's important in a lot of things.
Just in life.
Good advice, in general. Yeah.
Yeah, I agree. I agree, and I think that's really what can separate different teams is, is that energy, and I feel like we get really good results when we do our investigations, but we really focus on that energy.
It's such a fascinating world.
Well, we will put your information up on our website.
And if there's any other information after we we chat that you'd like us to pass along, for sure we will put that up as well.
Okay. Thank you so much for having us on. It's been fun.
Thank you. Do you have any interest in picking our topic for next time? We can either talk-- tell you some of the things that we have talked about.
Randomness, or you can just pick something, anything.
Ooh, really? We haven't done that before.
We'll allow anything! We have no rules!
Yeah, we keep a running list of things that, as we're talking, that things that are brought up and usually pick from that, so this would be a new one.
Okay! Yeah, so... One of the-- just kind of in line with the topic today, which was ghost hunting, I think one of the locations that is on my dream bucket list that would be really cool, that maybe you guys could think about a future show is really getting into the Winchester Mystery House.
Ohhh, yes! I've been--It's been so long, but I've been there.
You've been there?
Yes. Oh, we could do-- we could do on location.
You wanna do--? Well. <laughs>
I love that. Okay, you want to do that for next time?
Winchester Mystery House?
Sure! Let's-- I was kind of hoping for quantum physics, to be honest.
I did, because I know absolutely nothing and I was like, "Okay, let's do it. We'll see what I can talk about."
It'll come back up, I promise.
So next time we're doing the Winchester Mystery. On location.
On location. In our dreams.
All right. Luana and Kevin, thank you so, so much for being with us today.
We really appreciate it.