Ep.94 The Stage Is All Yours (Allie - Burlesque)
12:58AM Apr 14, 2020
Good day one you listening to talk your hobby and this is episode 94. The stage is all yours. I'm your host Alex and today have the honor to have Ali as my guest on the show. How are you doing today? I'm doing good. How are you? I'm doing good. Ali and I met through a competition that was held by cashbox shout outs cast box. And then we were both the winners. And we just started talking and connecting and then we realized we're both Canadian podcasters so we gave each other a virtual high five, and now I have from my podcast. I know it's so exciting. Oh my gosh, it's
so crazy that when we both won that I'm like, Oh, that's so cool. And you've reached out, which was amazing. Like we're pretty new to the podcasting scene. And it was like, the coolest thing, having another podcaster reach out. So it's so nice to actually talk to you. I want to say face to face, but we're actually quite far away from each other. At heart, we're Canadian. We're all neighbors.
We're all neighbors here. Now speaking about my neighbor before we jump into the topic of the day, who is Ali? Oh, that is a big question. Who should take no time at all? I am a student. I am a educator. And I also write a bit on the side. I'm currently working on my creative writing degree at KPU. And yeah, hopefully a teacher interview after that we'll see in the works. I also have kind of come into the hobby of dance and for less dancing on the side. Mm hmm. I cannot wait to get into that conversation. And that's what we're gonna be talking about.
Today, so it's perfect.
So before we do that, I'm sure people would love to know where they can find you. Do you have any social media links or websites? Or? I don't know, maybe a podcast he likes to share? Oh, well, and so have you mentioned that we do have a podcast Me, Myself and my really good friend Tori and cam, we have a podcast called, I like your dress. You can find us on any platform, give us a listen. Give us a like, I also have my own social media. Ally. ish. I put a lot of my writing out there as well. If you want to take a look at that. That's perfect. I'll put that in description below so people can go check that out and go show some love and support because once again, they have amazing energy and they're just awesome people. Oh, thanks, Alex. That's so nice. Now for the topic of the day burlesque. Now some people might know sir, some people might know what it is, but some other people might not know what it is. So for those who don't know what burlesque is, do you mind giving a definition? Yeah, sure. Um, so what it is is not
expressive form of femme identity. I think that could be like the best way to describe that what I personally love about it is the community of women that just gather around and dance to express themselves. And it can sometimes be in things such as like lingerie, but it can also be like just like a comedy dance. Like, if there's the best way to describe it is there's actually so many different types of it and genres connecting to it, which I love about it. It's a hard question. It's this big bubble. I hope the other questions I asked are not as hard there it is easy flowing, but we never know. Right? I'm a guy who asked a lot of questions. I do. I like it keeps me on my toes. Well, speaking of singing, and dancing, how did you get introduced to burlesque Um, so I moved out of my my place in Vancouver and moved into a suite enrichment and I was trying to make some new friends in the community. And one of the ways I was trying to like cry
I don't like I really want to get into dance. I used to fake your skates when I was in high school and you know, once you get into your studies and you have you kind of grow up and grow out of your old, your old hobbies you kind of want to find like a middle ground to connect now that you're an adult and a girlfriend of mine told me that she started doing like this burlesque dance out in Vancouver called Vancouver Lesko. And I was so intrigued by it, I went and took a class with them. It was an introduction class. And through that I had met so many wonderful women, and so many amazing people. And it's honestly the community is what really brought me in and they're a great group of women. And it's just a really good supportive system. And especially when you're, I have a very busy life and it's, I almost have a lot of, I have a lot of faces to my life. I work at a school. So I have my you know, my
Education hat on and then I also have a podcast. So my friend and I have like our, our business caps on and I'm also a full time student. So with so many chaotic things happening in my life, it's so nice to go to a place where you almost have like, as
we call it, like we have our muggle selves, and then we have our wizarding selves.
That's, it's a term in a burlesque we have our Mughal name, and then we have our burlesque name, which is like our pseudo
personality, which is kind of cool. You become a totally different person. Okay, so I have to ask what is your burlesque name? That my friend is a secret? Okay, so
there's no way we'll be able to figure this out. So it's okay this is you know what you're allowed to keep your own secrets. We don't have to share everything on this podcast.
I think that's the nice thing about it, though is you can choose whether to keep your your dense name secret or public to the community. And I think that's the
kind of nice thing about it is that you have this place where it's very safe and you can express yourself and express your body, but also have the choice to leave it private away from every other part of your life as well. Ah, you know what? I completely agree with you like for this podcast, nobody knows my last name. My last name by this podcast is just Alex Hobby. That's not my real last name. But, you know, you don't need to know my last name to enjoy this podcast. So I guess you
you kind of want to if it makes sense, you kind of want to have compartments to your life so you can fully express and let every outlet of yourself be fulfilled, if that makes sense. Oh, absolutely. And I and I don't want my like, I don't like to have my my teacher aspect of my life involved in my podcast part of my life. So you never have me talking about work in my podcast. And I never talked about work at my dance and I never talked about my podcasts on my dad's like, they're all variables.
Separate. And I kind of enjoy that because it keeps the chaos organized in many ways, but also lets me explore the things that I love the most and sharing it with other people. This is how we're connecting right now because I completely agree with you. You know, everybody has different hats, you can just change your hat. Boom. Yeah, and that's good. Now, back to the actual burlesque aspect, did you actually take the time to learn more about the history of it? I did, I had the amazing opportunity of joining the screaming chickens for less. They're kind of tied together with the Vancouver burlesque CO and I we took I took a workshop with them and it was like a three months extensive program about just learning about burlesque and we learned a lot about movements, but also the legends and winners from like the burlesque Hall of Fame. There was just so many interesting women that I had never even like everyone has heard of. Judith on tests, like that's probably one of the most iconic bird lascars in the world, but outside of that there are so many others.
Amazing and talented women that have showcased themselves and put on a show, actually, but you'd like a fun fact.
I love fun facts that hit me. Did you know Phyllis from the office? Are you familiar with that show? Love it. Watch it only a couple of times. Excellent. The only reason why I asked is because I was talking to somebody else about this the other day and they didn't know like what the office was. And I'm like, Oh, well. Okay, so Phyllis from the office used to be a burlesque dancer. You know what I'm not surprised because I remember there's one episode of Halloween episode she has she dressed up in a very like extravagant outfit. Oh, that kind of looks like burlesque haha. And if you look closely on her desk in the first season, she has a picture of herself. And she's like covered in feathers on stage. The thing about her his history with burlesque is she never used pasty use. So it was all just more of like the burlesque like what you see in the movie, which is totally fine too. There's a relative term of burlesque. There's some people that use pastries, and some people
That there's no stripping at all, which is like the, the kind that I mostly prefer. But I also know a lot of other people in the community so it's it's super cool. There's a bunch of things that you can try out with it. That's awesome. I did not know that about Phyllis and apparently Also, you want to hear fun fact about Phyllis. I do want to hear a fun fact about Phyllis. Apparently she was I think she was a writer for the show and she wasn't actually supposed to be an actor in the show. She was like just a toddler. And then they just loved her and and the added her into the show. That is so amazing. She's actually I know I have a lot of love for Phil. She's like one of my favorite characters. She's just so lovely. But also like kind of sassy. Oh, yeah, I love that. It's so great. And especially like towards like the end of the series. You kind of see her almost like being like a very promiscuous individual and I kind of like that. So rock and roll to me. I fucking love that. I'm sorry.
It's your show.
I'm sorry. This just turned into the
Office podcasts and oh, ready, Alex, let's do this. No, no, no. Like I remember Phyllis really quick. Phyllis says one part. She's like, I like kidding on men on the bars and having Bob fans beat them up.
She's like a badass like, she is a gem. She's a gem. And I love her. Shout out to Phyllis if you're listening, you know, I'll be listening. Yes, please. If Phyllis is listening I'm sure she would love to learn more about your burlesque misc term but it was using burlesque I love it. Let's roll with it. So for you what type of music do you prefer to do your burlesque to? Oh, I love this question. My first solo I I did a song I wish she were gay by Billy Eilish. And I like it because it's so it's just super feminine. And just super bubbly is something actually you wouldn't really pin Billy Eilish to singing, but I think that's what I like about it so much. It's so unexpected and
This particular solo I did, I was in all pink and it was just super friendly. And something I love about the kind of music that you pick with the performance you're going to do is you kind of get to challenge your persona a little bit. Cuz when you pick your name, and you kind of pick a personality to the dance that you're going to do. So with this one, it was super feminine pink feathers very like angsty tea and thinking about love and writing in her journal kind of vibe. And so that's kind of what I did with that piece. Another one that I really like to do I really, when I'm dancing, I'm working on this other solo. Hopefully I'm showcasing this soon. I'm going back to like retro style, like a lot of Billie Holiday. No, cool. Yeah, I'm really excited about it. So definitely a lot of the classics. But the best thing about I think burlesque now is we're exposed to so many like a NEO style burlesque where you can actually incorporate like a lot of like more like the
Popular music that a lot of people nowadays listen to, which I think is great, you can kind of pick your own style and where you want to go with it. That's so cool. I love like how flexible it is and how you could just take different paths and try different Yeah. And actually, on that note, how often would you step out of your comfort zone to try a new performance? Like a new type of music like you're not necessarily comfortable but you like You know what? I want to give it a try? Yeah, I know what you mean. I, I talked to a lot of people that do. What am I close or lascars You can find her on Instagram Victoria court. She has this amazing comedic piece that she does, where she is a top like model ad. She's like, on the runway, and she's like waving and she didn't win like the pageant tree and then she's like upsetted, like fake crying on stage or that she's like stripping in anger and it's so amazing. And what I love about her piece, it's just she's not afraid to be comedic with it. And she takes that risk of you know what you
normally see in burlesque, which is very, like sexy, very seductive, but she's just like, no, this is gonna be hilarious. And it is such a hit like she's performing at the Vancouver burlesque festival in Vancouver, I think next month. So it's a it's a huge accomplishment. And it's, it's so cool to see and I would love to test that because I feel like what I normally do in my pieces is I'm very kind of similar to what I said earlier, like my solos are very, like, really girly and really femme but I really would love to try to I don't know, I would love to do something comedic. I think that would be really amazing. Man, that'd be so cool. Watch and you sort of spoke about your solo performances. Do you prefer doing it solo? Or do you like having, let's say, a team or group or just another partner? Mm hmm. I've been involved. I've been very fortunate in being involved into two group numbers. My first was the first year I actually did burlesque. We were a bunch of flight attendants. And it was very like oh,
I love this piece so much. It was super vintage and we dance to I can't remember what song we dance to. Oh, that's gonna drive me crazy. But it was it was like very like pan-am 60s flight attendants. And we're like showing you how to put on your seatbelt. And then we just get on the floor and then just get like super sexy and it's amazing. Our amazing choreographer cherry on top did that. Check her out. She's amazing on the gram. And it's just super fun. The second group performance I did was a very tropical theme we did. Selena Gomez is tacky, tacky. That was the song that we did. So it was super like crazy and wild. And there was a lot of like a Brazilian fusion which I really enjoyed doing because I'm actually half Brazilian and I grew up like my mom trying to teach me like some bugs. So it was really cool to actually like do that in the piece as well. And I think there's more camaraderie. When you're
doing it in a group rather than solo. I did love doing my solo and you had had that sense of independence and kind of say of what you want to do. But in reality I really enjoyed like getting to know a lot of my friends and doing the costumes together, which we had to do and yeah, I don't know, I think I like group numbers better if I'm being honest. We're fine, man. I could just imagine you doing it and just having so much like body language and facial expression. Like how what do you do to like train your let's say, your face to like, just be like explosive in like the language you're doing with your face? Yeah, it's you know what I really had to get out of my comfort zone when I should have maybe mentioned this earlier. When I first decided to do burlesque I was going with a lot of like, body confidence issues and a lot of women and people do it's and it was I wanted something that I could go into and feel good about myself and feel good about my body and just be surrounded by people who also
Praise and like, we're just all good to each other in that sense in a very body positive community. And when I started doing burlesque, this was before our first performance, it was really hard to actually kind of get into that persona and realize that like, in order to be good at this, in order to really be confident with yourself, you just have to let yourself go and let that tension of Oh, what will people think? What if people stare at me? And what if people don't like it? Or what if people don't like me, and just kind of take that all the way. And the best realization is what we went out on stage. It's like, for the first time I felt totally accepted for who I was, and the body that I had. And I feel like, it wasn't just me feeling that it was all of the women that were up on that stage as well. And it's just such a incredible realization, you know, like, you can always do, you could do too many things to your body, but at the end of the day, you're the
As the person that you're going to be for the rest of your life, you're going to be in this body. So why not just stick around and love it? You know, kind of the beautiful thing about this, I completely agree with you. And I have a weird like mental like thoughts that happens when it comes to like, Oh, I'm nervous, like, what other people think of me or think of this really, really weird and probably really bad way of thinking. But I'm like, even the most beautiful and the richest people on earth take the ugliest shits.
love that. I need to put that on
you they're sitting on a toilet and like, Oh my god, I do that too. Okay, they're human. Yeah, that's so true, though. It's so true. And you know what they fart to
people on your podcast.
Everybody farts title the book. I love it. I love it. I love it. No talking about the actual training aspect. How often do you train for a new routine? Um, that's a good question. So when I
I was doing my trio. When we were doing our like group number, we would train once a week for about two to three hours, they're quite extensive. And you would definitely break a sweat doing so. And but like also off hours, I would be practicing my routine at home as well because it's a lot to learn and especially when you're doing a group number, you have to be in mind of like the people around you and certain musical cues. So there's a lot of training that goes into that now that my schedules a little bit full. I'm doing more drop in sessions of like burlesque practice on I'm doing a floor class which is kind of like a sexy dance that you're just like on the floor with heels and it's just super amazing. There's a an amazing instructor Porsche five row that does that. She's also on Instagram, give her love. She comes up with a choreo choreography every week and then we we do it and that is also for I think that's for an hour and a half. So it's
All in all, I do about three hours a week with the dance. But some people do more. It depends on how involved you want to be in it. But that's the kind of beauty of it, you can kind of pick and choose around your schedule, which is really nice. And it's been helpful to me too, because I have that outlet. Especially cuz life can be crazy, as you know. Just Just a little bit crazy. A little bit crazy. Yeah, I didn't lose my hair because it went crazy. It's just you know, gradually went down to my chin.
And talking about picking and choosing when you could do it. Another thing that people might think of picking and choosing is an outfit. How much process Do you go into to create an outfit like where do you get not an office? Where do you go to pull the inspiration? Alex will have to like this. This podcast is now going to be three hours long. Oh my goodness.
Yeah, so costuming is a lot of work. My best advice is for anybody who is interested in training
Trying to do burlesque or even trying to like get make your own costume for it is to make become friends with a seamstress. That is
my number one advice or just become friends with who are who are knowledgeable on the subject. I have tried YouTube tutorials YouTube to them that's really hard to say you tube tutorials. I have tried hot glue guns, they make your costumes look terrible don't try that. Luckily my mum is really good at sewing and she has been an absolute Angel during my performances and has done a lot of my costumes. But you know what I my biggest recommendation is thrift store. If you go to a thrift store and even just go to the like the old tablecloth section, you can find amazing patterns and just buy them use them use around what you have around your house. My biggest recommendation is to not actually go out and buy something new. Try to look around to where you have already.
See what you can make with it. There's also a bunch if you're curious of how to make it, look, I would definitely start following a lot of burlesque people in the community to see what their costumes look like and what you kind of want to achieve with it. Or be creative and try your own thing. Yeah, I love the aspect of like, you make it your own, like, even
authentic piece. And it's kind of cool because you have the memory of making your outfit for the performance, but you also get it as like a keepsake for yourself. You know, I did this I made this and you can even wear two other things too, like Halloween and burlesque they go hand in hand. There are so many costumes that I've used for Halloween. As like burlesque outfits. It's amazing. No, I mean, it's my best friend. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but do you feel like you have more confidence when you wear something that you have made or your mom made? Oh, definitely. I actually I get very sentimental with the costume that I made with that.
tacky tacky performance that we did. Last year, my mom completely helped me with that costume and being up there and like having her watch me and like in the costume that was like we and it was like a Brazilian, like style dance. It was just super. It was super lovely to like, have that. And it is super. Yeah, it's super emotional. Who knew costumes could be emotional, but they are? Well, we have to give a shout out to your mom for being very supportive and helping you out. And on that note, have you ever taught your mom burlesque or she's done it with you?
Actually, I would say that she kind of taught me some cool moves. So yeah, yes. So when, like I I grew up to like a lot of like Brazilian music and one of the best like, styles of music, sorry, styles of dances that I know is Samba. So I remember growing up and she would try to teach me and a lot of what you need in burlesque is hip movement and
It's actually very challenging to kind of get the hang of it. You need to require like a lot of like fluidity in your moves. And it's kind of hard if you have never really used your hips before, so she kind of taught me to use my hips. Shout out Mom, I love you. We'll have to have her on this podcast for her hobby. Oh my God should be so excited. Says Come on, she'll, she'll tell you about how much she loves to cago fire in Chicago empty. That's like her hobby. She just like watches. Mom shows your mom show. It's so true though. Mom show Oh, my gosh, she's listening to this and she's like, I do not listen to mom shows the regular shows.
What are you talking about? Allie?
Probably seems like your mom is a really big inspiration for you. Do you have any other big inspirations when it comes to burlesque? Oh, it's a good question. I I've always been inspired by vintage wear. I really like Audrey Hepburn and you know Marilyn Monroe and the women
Enough time, I've always been inspired by that vintage and retro sense in just fashion and dance and music. So when it came when I first started with burlesque I, I definitely did go towards more of the retro side of things. And I would say that is probably a really big inspiration for me. I also love a lot of jazz music. And if you ever have a chance to see for lascars, like, dance to jazz, it's, it's pretty, it's something to see. I honestly think like jazz, like one of those looks like sporadic and dented that
it's super lively, and you never really know what's gonna happen next, which is perfect for that kind of dance speaking because jazz is very sounds like some jazz is very improvised. Do you let's say, do some improv improv on stage. Yes. 110%. If you are in the burlesque community, you know if something goes wrong, you can always just rely on improvisation and no one will know the difference.
Which is the best part.
When I first did my solo they put out there was this bench that I had to sit on, and the curtains were closed. And before right before that they they opened my skirt got stuck on the bench that I was supposed to stand up from. And I started panicking. So the curtains went up. And I was like trying to like get this skirt off of the like underneath the bench. So I had to do this whole like side little dance routine, trying to get it off. But then I went up to my friends and I'm like, Oh my gosh, like half of that was improvised other like, Oh, I couldn't even tell so cool as long as you look confident in doing it. No one will know So yeah, I do the same thing I work I put on a confident face when I don't know what's happening. Excellent. Yeah, I think that's like every
That's amazing. And for you What would you say is the best part about burlesque on a personal and an emotional level.
I would say the community and honestly just being able to accept yourself for who you are. That is the one of the main reasons and I think when I talk to a lot of people that have joined this community, it's one of the main reasons that they got it to it, you know, it it's, it's a lonely world and the fact that like, people gather together because of the same issue, it's, there's something kind of beautiful in that and when we're all able to be honest with ourselves and kind of, you know, put our insecurities and like the things that we, you know, feel like we've had to cover up for so long on stage and showcase that there's, it's, it's amazing and you become so much more confident by just being like, you know what, this is who I am and just love yourself, which has been kind of the coolest thing about this hobby. For me. self acceptance, I think is the biggest thing. I'm giving you our virtual High Five right now.
and Canadian high five this is covered in Maple syrup.
So for you What was your biggest challenge when you first started your hobby? definitely getting over the fear of trying to be sexy, soberly.
If that makes sense, typically when I when I dance, I went live with my friends, like, it's always like, Oh, you know, we're going to go out for drinks, we're going to go dancing. So you kind of can like loosen up in that aspect. But when you're on stage or practicing dance without any dance background, it is very nerve wracking, because all of a sudden, everybody is watching you. Everyone is seeing how you move and how your body moves. And it can be really intimidating. So that part for me was really challenging but also the kind of the saving grace on that was with burlesque you get to choose your own personality. You get to choose your your character, that's kind of the appeal in the whole dancing. You know, with pastries on and everything. You get to be this person that you're not normally
And when I was kind of developing my character, I felt more confident because it wasn't Ollie that was dancing. It was my character that was dancing. So there's this association with that, which made it a lot easier. And yeah, it's kind of cool building your character. Now, this is a really odd question, but what do you do like say you when you're nervous on stage to get you in that mindset of like, okay, go out, do it. It's like, you know how some people say, Oh, we just picture everybody in their underwear Do you do kind of something like that?
It was the opposite.
I, we have a really solid community of women. If I'm dancing solo, there are other performances before after me. So I have like been able to like just really jazz each other up. You know, we take pictures. We we just sing songs in the dressing room, like we're watching each other's performance. We're just like, amping each other up. It's just a really good energy for I think anybody who does dance can relate to this. You're just you're with
Your crew and it's just your amping, it's just good, good energy all around. You're supporting each other and it's feeling good. You know where I see that a lot in gymnastics. Whenever you look in the background, totally the other person is doing the same moves and like hyping each other up and like Oh, damn, okay, like they've all seen this big. It's a big hype show here, right? It's It's fantastic. And it's kind of like a team sport. You know, I was never super into team sports. But I could say burlesque could be one. Why not?
Why not? You know, officially right now. It's a team sport. I'll unite declared. Fantastic. Can't wait to tell the girls
and what has burlesque so no one has but what is your current biggest challenge? My current biggest challenge? Honestly, it's trying to find time to do it with my busy life. I think a lot of people struggle with this as well. When you're working towards state your educational degree or when you're trying to you're trying to do your job or you know, you're you want to start in
New Venture like start a podcast, it's really hard to kind of lose that fun spark in yourself the thing your hobby, like, it's hard to try to balance your hobby with your life. And what this has created for me is feeling more confident and more reassured about like, you know what, this is part of my life. And this feels amazing. But the struggle with that also is trying to find time with it. I think a lot of us have felt that, you know, growing up and how we've grown out of like our old, like, hobbies that we used to do in high school, like, you know, how our parents would put us in soccer or baseball and, you know, with time we had to drop out because, you know, commitments and everything else that happens in life, but that's, I think the biggest struggle and I think a lot of people can relate to that as well. Can you also, would you say that you have to make time for your hobby.
Because I had to do it because that's so perfect. You need to put a little jingle in there to like your intro
I know you've answered this kinda like when you like something bad happened on stage, but you improvise out of it. But has Berlusconi ever stressed you out? That is a good question. Um, in terms of knowing your routine that has been stressful, I think the difficult part of it is I don't really have a dancing background. And when you go in, you're learning certain moves that actually require you to be slightly flexible. What I like about the community is I can't even touch my toes. And this community has somehow embraced me for it.
But what's challenging is just practicing and getting flexible and putting in the effort to make your routine looking really good. As you know, as much as any other hobby or job that you want to do well is you just got to put the effort into it. And that can sometimes put a little pressure on things and put pressure on yourself, but it's like a good pressure. It's a good anxiety. And let's say let's say you, let's say have a lot of stress or like
can't achieve a certain mood. What do you do to let's say, relax and de stress? Are you the type that like, you know, I'm just gonna keep working on it until I get it. Or you're like, Okay, I'm gonna back off, go for a walk, ya know, relax, watch a show, sleep, eat or do something else and then come back to it. I think it's a combination of the both of both. I remember I was trying to do this thing called backwards shoulder roll. And for people who aren't familiar with that, it's essentially like a somersault that you're doing backwards, but your legs are it's very complicated. look it up online. It's, it's stressful. And I was adamant to have this in my routine because I had seen other people do it and I'm like, this looks cool. And I wanted the challenge. So I had pushed all of my furniture like to the side of my house, and just practice this like routinely like crazy and I would just kept I kept on playing my music in the background. It was that Billy Eilish song, and I was just like, recording myself to see what it looked like and then going back and just be like shit, damn.
Do it again.
But I eventually got it and now I'm just trying to practice the I got the backwards one I'm trying to practice like doing it forwards now, which is actually as hard. So wish me luck. I'm wishing you all the luck and I have to say my dumb ass when you said oh backward shoulder Oh like okay, I'm just rotating my shoulder backwards. All right.
Alex your ad is not as simple as it sounds
like a cartwheel is not a card with wheels. It's something different. Yeah. Oh my gosh, it's so crazy cuz I get somersault mixed up with cartwheel all the time. cartwheel is the one that you kind of look, you're looking at like an x. And then you you'd like toss yourself in the air. Oh my god, I explained me this so bad. Can you tell that I was never in gymnastics and I'm just like learning this on the fly. I thought it was the same.
Okay, what is a somersault? Then? I think a somersault is when you're in a ball and you roll yourself forward.
Make you do it like gym class in elementary school? Okay, yeah, just hold it like ball roll or something like that. Yeah, that works too. Ball roller. Yeah.
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So yes. What has burlesque taught you in life? It's a pretty tough question. But yeah, what has it taught you in life? That is a good question to be patient. I think especially when you go in and some people are at different levels are at different stages. So some are super like flexible, they've done it for years that were had a better dance background. So just be patient and know what your strengths are and use your strengths for your performance. And it has taught me a lot about self acceptance for sure. When I first went in I, I didn't really have a lot of friends like, like in the city and I was trying to find a way to like, engage in the community but also try to be more confident myself and it is really helped me since then, and like I said, you join and stick to things
Because of the people in it, and that's what burlesque has done for me. That's cool. I love the passion you have for it. Yeah, it's, it's a great group of people. Definitely. And yeah, good, good company always makes it more enjoyable. Oh, 100% Yeah, totally. Now this next question is probably not, I would say, well, maybe one of the most important questions I asked on every single episode because it brings everything together and just just breeze out the reality of it. But yeah, I'm gonna ask it. What are some misconceptions about people who do burlesque? That is a good question. So there are several misconceptions about it. So when I first got involved with it, a lot of people assumed that Oh, you're just like stripping that it's like it's a very, they, they would almost come up to it as a very like a an aggressive sort of, I don't know, they would just kind of frown upon it. And I think the biggest misconception with that is it's actually if you have you if you've ever gone to a burlesque show, it is just a
a fun way to be confident with your body and showcase that and it's nothing that I could ever imagined. And there's a lot of taboo around it, which is, it's, I mean, it's sad because it's really just a fun form of dance, just like any other dance. And it's a lot of people think that you are stripping down to your core which you're not there are many forms of burlesque there's what is it called luminous dance, which you're not stripping at all You're just seductively dancing, which is great too. But it's it's it's a very powerful fan and also supports LGBTQ plus community as well. And it's just a wonderful inclusive space. And it makes me sad that there's a lot of people out there that think we're less you're just stripping but you're not and to the stripping community as well like it is also a job and sex work is work. So just thought I'd say that but yeah, it that is a really tough question because it is all about
people's perceptions on things you know. And I do believe like, thanks to the internet, the internet could be a beautiful place but a dark place at the same time. But thanks to it that more information is out so people can learn more about it. And I have a friend who does pole dancing. And I would imagine if kind of very similar, let's say I would say all the serious questions, but there's certain certain misconceptions like, Oh, it's only strippers who do it. I had somebody who said, Listen to that episode, because I thought was about strippers. I'm like, No, no, no, this is my friend. She's actually a doctor, and she doesn't pull dancing as an exercise. It has nothing to do with stripping. On top of that, I actually know several people who are working on their master's degrees. Mm hmm. Who are one, either strippers, or who pull dance. There you go. Boom. your RV does not define you as in the what you do as your career or it's just your pastime. You do it for yourself. All right, don't it's for yourself. Do whatever makes you happy. All the power to you, right? We should be showcasing that. Well, that's exactly what I'm doing right here. I'm showcasing what makes me happy as other groups.
Happiness. That's weird, but you'd be happy makes me happy.
Thank you. This is such a great concept for a podcast. I love this. This is so cool. Well you know it's thanks to people like you that just want to keep coming on and just sharing with the world that makes it grow and I want to connect people together and just make it more of a community. But this is
cheesy stuff like that. Come on. We got no I love that I love it's actually so interesting because I I'm so used to interviewing people on my like, Tori nice podcast that I felt it's very difficult.
I've never answered things about like myself. I feel like I should, like maybe oh my gosh, I should have written down what I was gonna say. In the middle that you're like, Am I
I know. I know. When you first asked me like Who am I like, oh God, who am I look in the mirror. Okay, who are you? Who are you okay? Are you
very xiety inducing, but at the same time I I feel like I learned a lot about myself today and I learned a lot about myself.
I mean, I learned a lot about you, which is fantastic.
Like, I have a very, like, there's not much to learn about me. I've already know. There's tons Come on my show we'll learn about you. Okay. Yeah. I love it. Yes. And do you want to present this hobby to the world are using more as an escape from reality and escape from reality, but also presented to the world? A little bit of both, but it's a little bit of both. I think when I first joined it was because of that escape from reality a little I have a very professional job. And I know several people who are in the burlesque community have very professional jobs and being able to kind of escape from the stress and pressure of you know, what's going on in your life and just be involved in this thing that's just for you is so liberating. And I feel like everybody needs to find that thing in their life, man, another virtual high five, like by the end of this, our hands are gonna be super red and just like blisters
smacking the screen that's what I'm doing right now. I got two screens. So at least if one breaks, I have
The other one, but yes.
Do you have any word of advice for anybody who might be interested in this hobby? Yes, I would definitely just look around your area and see if there's any kind of dance classes. Or even if there's any pole dancing, getting yourself into that if you're looking for a way to dance or use some kind of self expression to get yourself more confident with your body, and you're kind of curious about it. I would definitely see what your your city has to offer and don't be intimidated. And for every, like for every person I've talked to out of town. The community of this hobby is fantastic anywhere you go. So don't be afraid to put yourself out there and meet new friends and just dance Rosoff. I tried pole dancing once it did not work out for me for the simple reason was it? It was painful because I have very difficult because when you go down the pole, the hair on the legs we're pulling in. Yes, Alex, I have hairy legs. Very difficult. You
require a lot of upper body strength. It's very challenging. I'm all lanky
to meet you I own I'm a I'm a body of noodles
I'm a body but I'm not good for anybody. That's that's
so we talked about this at the beginning of the episode and but honestly again because I'm sure people would love to learn more, do you have any social media links or websites that you can share so people can come find you? Absolutely. I have to give a shout out so if you're curious about if you're in Vancouver and you would like to try burlesque there is Vancouver Lesko. They just opened a new studio so if you're curious about trying it, definitely check out their social media check out online. Portia de fibro is an amazing instructor. She does drop in lessons and also does group numbers with Vancouver burlesque Co. They're screaming chickens theatrical society, which also has like all of these names there. It is exactly the same. So you can go follow them. There is I like your dress has just done a podcast an episode.
On burlesque so you can check that out. I like your just podcast I have social media at Alli two L's dot ish. That's all I I think I have at the top of my head. And that's perfect. I'll put that in the description below so people can go check it out and I have to ask for your EP so that you were doing about burlesque were you interviewed by here by Tori. I was not interviewed. I this is actually the first interview really, that I've had like about myself, which is it's so scary conversation. It is it's very it. This was very easy. Thank you so much for being such an amazing host. We actually got to interview we had the amazing
pleasure of interviewing Portia de fabro for our podcast. So if you're curious about her take on burlesque. She's an amazing performer. Check that out. She's wonderful. Perfect. After this episode, I'm going to ask for all the links from Ollie. So I'll put that in the description so people can go check it out.
support and show some love. Amazing now for the last question, I always ask this question at the end of every episode. Do you have any questions for me about burlesque? No, I don't ask about burlesque every episode I mean about the specific hobby but for this hobby about burlesque Do I have any questions to you anything at all? This is a good question. Will you ever try burlesque? You know what? Why not I? I feel like crying because I feel like there's a lot of like body expression and I like with my body. I use my hands a lot. I use my facial expression. I'm bald. Like my forehead ABS I call the forehead.
Alex boy less because the thing and you should definitely try it. Man, I feel like my costume just gonna be ridiculous just based off of my personality. A lot of them are and they're amazing. Go for it. I could pick your fringe. gems. glitter. Oh yeah, I like glitter. I'm just gonna my whole entire head will be glitter my bald head which
Like a giant disco ball. That's the theme is 70s 70s disco ball. Love it. I love it. I can't wait to see it live.
Yeah, there you have it another body with the hobby. Thank you so much, Allie for just sharing your passion with me. You're such a Down to Earth person. And, of course, this is a great conversation started off like an interview and just rolled into a conversation as every interview does. Oh, my goodness, Alex, thank you so much for having me. You're an incredible host. And please come on anytime you're so lovely,
incredible hosts. I'm just a very curious person. I have a lot of questions. That's what I'm just super curious. That's it. But
I would be more than happy to be a guest on your show. And if you guys want to learn more about Allie, go check her out. She has her podcast and the other links below her. She has a very great podcast called like your dress with Tori. And it's just gonna be in the description. It's very similar to my premise where they try out new things. They talk about things and they have a dynamic like they've worked together for a while. So the connection
There, the energies there. So you definitely got to go check that out. And if you'd like to be on my podcast or have any questions at all, you could send me an email at Tom for your email@example.com. And of course, if you liked this podcast and want to show some support, you know, you can leave a review. I won't say no, just saying. And also selling merchandise on redbubble with time for your hobby logo. And you can have it on like a T shirt. You can have it on a pillow, you can have an on a clock, which is probably the most appropriate thing. coffee mugs, shower curtain socks.
Other random stuff. So yeah, that will be in the link also below. So just click that check it out. And so yeah, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me, Alex. This has been so much fun that I'm such a great time too. So Until the next episode, make some time for your hobby. Take care.