3:01AM Aug 9, 2019
You're listening to melody orphanage and friends. I'm one of your hosts Andrew Kirksey. On today's episode, Eric riemer, tech Reese Ember Smith and myself had the pleasure of sitting down with Wayne Hubbard and his apprentice Christian Jones. Wayne is the founder of the fix it forward Empire freedom Facebook page, as well as numerous affiliate pages, each with their own unique take on service within the community. Melody orphanage and friends is a community oriented storytelling project with an emphasis on making sure that your story is told.
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15. He's fifteen? How did you how did you find how'd you and Chris you find each other?
I held an event because the family wasgetting fined heavily by going to a lot of a lot of throughout their meal, the chance to thanks...
..Just is about how many how many moves you can make with each move of God. And so with that, I saw a chance to use access. So I went to access a little like, spur of the moment event. And then we all came down and we used to play basketball together like HTC and anything basketball soccer.
Christian,about you, man.You come off as quiet as you are excited this guy. So there's gotta be a reason forthat just to be quiet. I really don't even know where to start. Anyway,
I'll piggyback off of what he said.
Start with, you know,
why? Why did you want to be involved with something like this in the first place? What what drove you to that? That conclusion that this is something you want to do?
Well, really, he sent me an invite to the group that looked at it. And I seen like what he was doing in the group and all the people that he was helping, and I kind of liked it. And then like took me off the streets like I was doing. I got an A group that was in every day ever since I got in the group.
Okay, it's not often you hear happen like that. Come off the streets. young white man, you only see that gang culture. So where are you into where you went to counter Counter Culture type of lifestyle games or just hanging out doing whatever,
just hanging on doing whatever. Okay, I was smart enough not to get any games and stuff like that.
Yeah, you're from the south side of South. And originally, you went to Jackson?
No, no, I was actually have moved to Mishawaka. I was first born in South Bend, Mishawaka. And I went to Beiger to be here for a little bit and then went to Florida. And then we moved to Niles. So, okay,
so you back Florida? just didn't seem like? No, I don't know that we formally introduce everybody. So we are sitting down with Wayne Hubbard. He is the head of the fix of forward Empire freedom Facebook page. So when Christians talking about a page that's I assume he's talking about is a page. And they are an active group inside of South and they've been involved in the thick like, very influences teaching people how to be self sufficient, going after the month by Neil's apartment, living conditions, and as latest being involved in seeking justice or awareness for the family of Eric Logan, after he had been shot by seven police officer on my 16th. Sunday, Sunday soon. Yeah. So you know, Did I miss anything? I probably
did. I'm got like 10 groups now 10 groups that link to each other. We have advocate activists as animal advocates. We have is, which is we play during halftime. We have my little brother James, which is all the fish stories, which is specifically for fishing in a format for local fishermen to be able to, you know, communicate with each other hold little fishing events. Yeah, no, no. I prefer to start with teenagers specifically because of the fact is, there's nothing more humbling adult having a listen to the teenager because at least the teenager was taught before the adult was because the true reason that we've been failing, in my opinion, is that there's tons of reasons. One of the reasons would definitely be
everybody throw stones.
If a little rock, if a little waves it out capital.
What I do is basically when I first started this, because only by two months, we can add hooked into Lost and Found, and the saw a lot of people needing help. And then there was comments like that ladies dogs get out all the time, which seems to go over their head. But they're very good investigative skills that in order for them to be able to say that it kept giving away and she kept taking him back. They care about the animals.
There was a way for animal control to just profit off of the city.
And so we helped over 100 families with with repairing the fences and stuff like that, because, like if you asked me how to how I would be a 10 headed dragon, I was 700. Right?
was actually a problem I had with this album could you cover that story was it seemed like the very leap, which was they put it out there that you were just preparing fences, and there's a picture of you like a warehouse pilot, and I kind of felt like that didn't quite get across what
message was conveyed?
I didn't sit right because of you because they haven't. And that seemed a little like a little they're good at what they do. Corruption is simple.
Um, corruption could be just somebody having a bad day with a level of influence, it could be a community. And so in my opinion, it's very easy to try to lock somebody into being something be personally I wouldn't be what I want to be. Every day I live my life being whatever I want to be, as long as I stay to the mission, stay positive and honest, it doesn't matter. What they do have to do is be able to take what they're doing, keep moving forward, this everything you do the stuff we're doing. It's never been done before. Where City Council, the police and the citizens are working together
to hold the to hold everybody accountable.
But we want them to hold themselves accountable. Because I'm not supposed to trust you. You're supposed to trust you. So where would you
say the city council's falling down? Most?
I think the city council is awesome. Now. I think the city council is awesome. Awesome right now.
Okay, yeah. Is that because you got a chance to sit down with them and talk and find out? You know, what, what that was with every stream? It could be a blockage somehow? Did you figure out the blockage? Was the Were you able to sit there and troubleshoot with them have conversations? They have very open ears with me now.
As a result of it,
what changed for them to hear you what what steps did you
take that? I would say show them I had no ulterior motive.
People have ulterior motives when they're approaching? So I would
imagine so in any Council, I would imagine people, I mean, the moment you you, you get pulled over, if you're a judge, and you allow that person to not give you a ticket. That's an ulterior motive. That's just you know, I mean, that's also abusive process. There's so many things, that's wrong. And so my thing is, is I want to get them all
know for sure, I think I think I'm looking for it's like, It surprises me that they are so frequently, like the members of the city council, so frequently encounter people who are not being honest with them. Or, you know, oh, yeah, I'm coming from a place of bad faith that they would immediately right, everyone off, you know, because for a moment, you were everyone, and now, now you've stepped out of the crowd, as a leader, and as in are able to bridge that communication gap between parts of the city and its representation, right. Because
like your people, the thing is, is that all it takes is to find out what you like to do, and what your five year plan is, and other would have lucky, and you'd be happy. Because, okay, a gang looks like this, you're going to use all of your gifts, whether you like it or not, to fight for whatever you choose to fight for it, no matter what it is, you're going to choose to use what you're good at, to do what you gotta do. Because all you have to dig from is your past experiences, which is how you develop a memory of what you're good at, like, you know what hand if it depended. And so it's the fact that you say, again, is a cup, and everybody in the room fights for like the UU for your gifts into that cup every time you fight for this cup, but what it represents. So a religion, there's three definitions to it, there's one where you're promoting the God of belief, and there's one where you're creating a, I believe neither, which am I doing? Um, but there's one where a one person describes a level of importance to a people, but the level of importance that's described is the people, the council's got a list. So the thing is, is that doing it for yourself, makes you just like everyone else. So the thing is, is that just like what you guys are doing that this is what you're good at. Doing selflessly. Yeah. And so the thing is, I really can't say, what fix it forward is anymore. Because at first it was just limited to my capabilities and gifts. As what towards everyone's able to do, because there's thousands and thousands of years with knowledge. Because watch this, there's 123456 of us. So I say 20 years on average, because if you take off two years, you're definitely going to add him up to 20. So what I'm saying is that 20 years on average, six of us that's 120 years worth of experience, right? I can instantly get the highlights of your life worth of experience at the top of my head, new question. What are we doing? Why is that and you see them saying I'm looking around and I'm, I'm, I've been quiet for so long. I'm just not quiet about it anymore. It's just to the point where what are we doing?
Then you've referenced a
couple situations with a game just like this is what the game would do. They would take all their talents, yeah, and fight for something now, just to clear it. So no one gets the misconception or puts words in your mouth. This is not a game. No, no, you guys don't have a game mentality.
I know, you guys
are an organization
where I'm leaning towards the better move. That's all it's a movement. This movement is a movement where each one empowers 10. And then teaches those 10 why it's important to empower 10. More Yeah, and, and so on and so forth. Because to know how to do something and to know how to teach it as two different things, to know how to apply something and know where to apply this to different things to know that you need to apply. This is three different things. It does, there's just so much. I've learned so much over the last few months. I'm trying to tell you, it's bad. Asked him I get blown up left to right. And I asked one question, I get so many hundreds of years worth of knowledge, right then and there. It's like man. And basically with it, I use it as a metaphorical sword and shield for the people that provide me with this.
Because if I get your give your give your gift, your gift, your gift, none of you are lighter.
But I can do more for every one of you than you could possibly do for yourself. It's impossible to beat it. Why? Because why should I want nothing but the better for you. And talking about you and talk about you and talking about you, you and you out the best for me. I don't care what you I don't have to believe what you believe to believe and you
tell me when it flows is your father gave me
to push to kind of mold the men come? He's definitely
on my conscience. definitely agree.
I mean, it could be good or bad. It could have given examples of bad to like, Okay, I need to steer clear this or empower people to stay away from it, like you say,
I would say more so towards his friends.
What he taught me was
make sure you win before you play nice.
Tommy be men of the moment environment matter how bad a guy
would you say?
Would you say your father's influence on your life? And I'm not sure how much it has impacted you because my father has no influence on my life. Never know. But I've had plenty of men in my life that have influenced me, in a father's way. So it was like what what would it What was it that like? You're 26 years old. There's there's very few people that wake up at 26 years old. Take some more take some to they hit their 30s you know, and you've woken up rather earliest things? Like what was that awakening for you?
growing up with sisters, I got to see the tricks of a woman
growing up my father at this insurance of a man
growing up with the ankles the same difference.
I've always been this way.
But I was more negative than positive. So about two or three months ago, I tried to commit suicide. And it took I'm open about it. Finish it. Yeah, come on. I would think it was it was 12 to 14 bikers. And when I woke up I will go
speed it. Absolutely. Already. I'm not a person is gonna cry wolf not gonna. I'm good.
That's not how it works. That's That's ridiculous. That's I want the tension
of me. And how can
I do this? That's not how I watch this. If Clan Wars will be my dad back, I'd be doing it right now. Okay, but my thing is this. After he passed, it was like there was nothing left. because growing up the way I did and how I did it was like, there was nowhere to turn. anywhere he was was home. Even if he was at work, whether he was home going fishing, no matter where it was, as long as I was with him awesome. So we stuck together became a big brother and a father. And then I got a phone call and they miss work. And I was going to you know, take a break from work. And
study over I was going over to his house.
And then like I was supposed to, and I got a phone call telling me he was dead.
And he died in South Africa.
So from that moment on, like, wish your father's death is that more so because you brought you said you always been in this way. And I believe that everyone is a little bit more reserved, and then the person that they that they truly want to be so they reserved in public places for family, whatever. Some people don't have a problem being themselves all the time. My thing is
this I'll be damned before I change myself any
president made agreed accomplishment of any book or any level. I won't change myself. The thing is, is if I'm gonna hurt nobody leave me to me. Unless you're going to help me help you.
With the thing is, is that and
I'm proud of his transformation
from the start of my life to the interview and his
done a good job.
So you made a piece recently, just a week ago, you didn't like that, right?
Yes. And that's changed
is. So why didn't you like in the first?
I didn't like him the first because I didn't like the thought of a president running for mayor running for president when a city was not. But when is the city done? Like when when every family safe and happy, okay. setting here of unable to take care of themselves when things are being taught to everybody. But the fact is, is that I had to notice something after I met him the very first time that I met him was a brief
reminder. We did. I can listen events and things going on.
With me ends my opinion is the fact that the man came down there. The police were called off. He came down there, although he had security guard with him. That's only one man versus the entire crowd. And there was nobody policing It was like, no as differently. Okay, but that was a I can't remember. It was like, so many things to do every day,
I believe was a couple weeks ago
that I saw. You know, it was like a week ago, if that everybody was down there is Tim Scott and Carrie, Carrie. cheering
you all were in the picture together with it.
And so the thing is, is that I'm
he came down there in a hood park
in front of everybody who hated him
in front of everybody who hated him, including myself.
So we could open our mouth.
Not no hiding behind Twitter, not no hiding behind nothing else. He came down without his bodyguards without his people. And he stood in front of all of us. So you gotta respect you damn right stuff. Okay, why? Because watch this. He could have just send out somebody else, of course. So when you step us down here, god damn it and all that shit talking, everybody was doing.
And he came down there to listen to it.
In front of whoever he watched this, he could not control how many what type of people was going to show up. He couldn't have nobody could at that point because it was open to everybody. That's everybody is running for president, people from out of state and they came to mess with them. People could have came to upset and make it a riot or whatever. Like just one one for all things one person who specifically come there and do something races you should examine and he came down there not knowing what to expect. And how come none of his supporters were violent. People don't like him because he's not as aggressive. I don't like him because well, I didn't like him because he was not aggressive. But the thing is, is that there is going to be an emotional detachment because if I can't trust you, you can't trust me. These are not things he's told me. These are things that I've told him. Okay. And so, like I'm aware of being recorded right now. So the thing is, is that I just wanted everybody to turn this to know that. Yeah. And so my thing is, is that I'm
just not too many people to do that. I mean, people are down that it was it's been like, what, 12 deaths. And that's very recent, like, it's just all that violence. And he comes down into an anti violent rally in the middle of a hood, with all the news and everything going on, and just stood there.
Yeah, can respect that too. I see we've got
there's nothing you can do to deny that. This is something I've seen with my own eyes. I saw it myself. Yeah. Immediately, especially in the video
from last night. I changed right from there. And I
told him right there at the end of the event that we got to meet and we met like, a couple days after. And we set up in his office man discussion. What we're going to do is we're going to figure out, I'm going to show you a couple of programs that I have in mind and he's going to help me Mandeans,
just just just side by man, when you do me what amended the monthly Tagalog, it all got to be never recorded. Man, we just want to see you at work. I do want to see you at work, man, just what you do is, from what I'm hearing right now, just a little bit of man is very impactful. And I'm like, I'm somebody that comes from these apartment complex. And these places that kind of get overshadowed and overlooked. And then violence happens and nobody wants to pay attention until it gets out of control.
My goal is prevention. Okay.
My goal is to a person's life standards of
where they can stop before it does. But the problem is, is trying to you call it you cannot.
We've tried every other way. It's been tried already, I've looked at everything.
The only way it's really going to work where we really have pieces of everybody works together.
That does not mean everybody worked for the police. That means they got to come off of something to close, they got to come off a lot, of course, like our respect, like reminding them what they serve, making sure they continue to serve it.
And remind them what happens if they don't.
There's got to be consequences for everybody. Whether you are a janitor for you, a president of the United States, where the you go back to the last one or current places for everybody.
And sort of thing is, is when it comes to stuff like that
mine sci fi with him on every way that he is course. But in that aspect.
And also that I know that
I know that just like I can do what he can't, he can do what I can't. Exactly. And as long as for is for the betterment of the city.
So what about what I don't like
that word, watch this, as long as what I'm doing is not matched with any level of corruption. I'm going to do it.
So as far as therapy, yes, I will maybe
I like that. Yeah, I'm one of those people i'm
i've never have not stepped into the role. Many times in my life, I've stepped into that role that you that you're in right now, your life row have stepped into that from occasions in my life. But I've never stepped into a full time. Man. I'd be interested to know this like the full time to just this is the mission
day no breaks. He said when you say life full, like describe that for me.
Well, his life role is
speaking up for those that are on her own and getting people to incorporate their gifts. So basically, you're saying this is calling this call? Yeah, live call, you know, whatever it is your life's road was like, amen. So you're saying like, we kind of semi cycle from get their psychology, some of us going to get to do is go right. Even though there's a passion to stash while doing. Yeah, some of us were afraid to do it. Or we don't think that this is impactful. Oh,
it's not important enough. I don't want to mislead
them. But at the same thing, of
course, yeah, I do with
quite a lot of messages, notifications, all these different arms, whoops, all these different people their opinions, I gotta deal with the racist, I had to deal with the everything about every move that I make is a mega breaker for me. Because I do not throw rats. My version of a rock is this, if I'm gonna throw one's going to be something like just mimic a post about passing out chalk. The whole state is given to you, Sam, Sam, I want to make a post about filling a bookshelf. And the whole city's going to get
these terms in. I like being able to do stuff like that.
You see, I'm saying so the thing is, is that
I think my biggest fear that one was to work with Pete, I feel like it will make people think that I'm different. Were in person and talking to him privately. And so that kind of made me want to shy away from dealing with it all together. Because I'm like, No, these people got faith in me, your
father? I am exactly like this with baby.
sure that I own
surely. Yes, sir.
Yeah. And so my thing is, is that
think about if it wasn't happy, teach us.
This is me. I love you. I'm happy like this is first time I've ever been happy is being able to do this.
He doesn't feel though, I'm sure. And I think this happened right after. But there was a sentiment that I noticed on the page that are one of the various pages I can't remember which one but that some people felt like you'd maybe turn your back on them because you were willing to work with Pete. And the animosity or the distrust has got to a point where people automatically just sort of assume your motives based on who you're talking to you
do that how to do it Dennis, like this is how I explain Dampier, the bud by two axes that we're trying to put together program. But basically what's happening is
if I asked you all, what's your preference, if I was going to put up a new house?
What do you want it to look like? And we get to choose to look like somebody is going to be on it.
Of course I make my own house. And then everybody gets to make their own house?
Who buys it?
So my thing is, is this all I can tell them as I can make them believe anything? I can't What am I supposed to do? is originally private meetings. What am I supposed to do? You see? I'm saying because the thing is, is that
I don't know what? I really don't.
I don't respond to that kind of stuff. I really respond to actions.
Are you seriously telling me that I'm going to leave a black I'm gonna leave a little black lives matter. Right there. And I'm like, teamed up with them. I like that understand that threats of the KKK, all the rest of this stuff happening? And nobody, like, where does it scream, I've turned my back on anybody. What I'm trying to say is I will not be limited. Just like I won't be limited to fences, or acts of kindness. I will not be limited to a race. not happen. And so where somebody wants to tell me stay where I belong.
I get to decide that
right? Yeah. So when somebody wants to tell me that, uh, they disagree, start your movement. Yeah. What somebody wants to tell me they'd be like, always turned into this. I am growing. I am changing. Why? Because I'm seeing this not just in this bullshit.
Nobody got to see what imagine thousands and thousands of people crying out for help.
Millions that you watch
this same time hundreds of people want to criticize you.
Of course everybody
beginning to try to please everybody. You're trying to please everybody. And then no man, this is not how you're going to make this happen at all. What this is about is justice. The moment the moment I care more about a person's feelings and that person, you'll find me lying to them. So what I'm going to do is this, I'm going to care more about the person because in the end, West is if you want pizza right now, you're going to want it more and more when you get it. You'll appreciate it more tomorrow when you get it anyway. So my thing is, is you might be upset with how slow I might be moving out as you as a person but whoever is listening
or will be listening.
What am I supposed to do? If you have a difference of opinion make a different movement as long as it's positive I'll support it. Because the thing is, is that I don't plan on doing this alone. I'm not alone. But the thing is there's a reason I'm able to make this work because I can trust me with this because
everybody in this room selfish
you do what you do to make yourself feel better if you see a homeless man on the street you given him a Dallas is dictated on what they're going to feel better for it or not.
Which is what they play off of.
With one such back on
your Facebook page, you started off with just a one there you got 10 segments now.
With those sub sections and everything you're doing, what was the financial recourse of this? I mean, how are you
accomplishing your goals with this financially? Because this it to me that seems like that would be like, the biggest issue is how
am I gonna? What am I doing the cars running? How much
can we afford to get this 1am I getting donations to do this? What am I doing to get money, everything but boy,
when you mean what am I doing that costs
You if you say okay versus saying
you fell in times and you have at the house that you need venture for? He posted a group as other group which are your
than what you're saying, huh? you kind of
see like never every HR person in the 3000 that you have all pitches in to fill that house. Okay, so all donations, donating time donated materials, so many items, my money, whatever.
me sometimes like there's a guy that I have to bring down here, these are like a $15 ticket. They were usually we do not try to upload off money in any way shape. Okay, so
I get that is a moral bar bar to it. Okay.
Okay. And so I just do my little jobs on the side where we take care of myself. So my thinking? Well, good. Awesome. So one thing is, I don't know, the problem is that it originally when it was just one group, once I got it, 2000 people, they just couldn't keep up with it, what the hell I was doing, which is why I'm in different groups. So now is it like several outside and somebody is beating their animal
I've recorded and then I posted
in activists as animal advocates.
Now I don't have to post and fix it for that stays a positive note. Now there's people in that group that is specifically for fighting for animal rights, and they're going to make it happen. Because it's quality over quantity. And he has like 200 and close to 200 people and it's a very definitely growing fast all the groups are growing for besides the event coordinators and keeping that small, it's only like 50 members, but every one of them are very good at coordinating event. Events, specific groups are lacking just Hey, I want to do a dog show, but I throw that stuff in there. That's how I got the result of the rest of it. So now it's like all these different these like different sections of movement
with people playing
Alright, so I want to get crystal talking a little bit because
like I said, Not often you see and it's and I'm just speaking from a real place. Not often do you see a young black man pulling like younger white children, young white youth. And so like I want to know how you guys connected other than a Facebook? No, but other than that, like where did you Where did your mentality go? My mentality is the same as it is. And I want to see this folk.
He said he see me every day as I passed the law school every single day. You see me other fire.
Come down there. Give
basically basketball. Okay.
Now even Barack Obama said you could tell him a lot about a man by the way play sports. What did you see in him? Other than weapon is that what did you see?
What did you see?
Get all the glory.
sorry, what was your question? It was about what did you see in this man through sports that made a connection for you because you brought up basketball there's a way America play sports where you can see his joints and is a man. And as I does what is everyday life. Link to see that he's there's another side of, of camaraderie in sports where you can see the human activity in the person. So what did you see that? bridge that gap for you? So to say? I really don't know. So you just
the obviously national basketball
team on Facebook, it was a
friend request and that takes him Come on play basketball. So would you say started out as a troll and effort like to get them to? Kinda Yeah, okay. And then like that. We came like brothers. Okay.
Ever since then. He's been like my older brother. He's always been there for
us, my girlfriend.
She does actually random times.
She's, what is it? CF walk right now cystic fibrosis.
But yeah, so this is your big brother now. And sir. How long? How long would you say you've been?
under that, under that brotherhood with them?
We're not going to lose track of that question.
Well, if you've arrived here, at the far end of the interview, I thank you very much for listening through it all. I know that. If you're like me, you probably listen to podcasts a lot on
your commute to work.
Since the average commute in South Bend is approximately 20 minutes. That means you've spent multiple mornings and evenings listening to us if this is how you're listening to it. I just want to say thanks for hanging in there means a lot. At the end of the interview, I mentioned that we weren't going to lose track of the question the tech had asked Christian, we haven't. We're looking forward to the opportunity of sitting down with Wayne or Christian here in the near future and getting a chance to catch up with them. See what's happened since the 22nd of July. There was at least a tornado and then nothing else. We've had a real quiet summer this year. Anyway, I'm all out of time this evening. I'm Andrew Kirksey. For melody or from the gen friends, signing off.