5:36AM Mar 26, 2020
Muhammad Shabbir Awan
I screwed up on this that I'd somehow set it to telephone only on the settings for the for the for the thing so you may have to leave and come back to make your audio work. I just went in and changed it
is your audio good, Greg? Well, let's see. How do I found? Yeah, it's good. I actually screwed up. I'm gonna have to tell you another in the chat. I think
I accidentally set it to phone only I don't know how I did that I just flat file my guess. So I had to go in and just change it right now.
Mohammed I see is here with you
Yes Hello Good morning everyone.
Yeah I made a mistake Mohammed I I set it to telephone instead of computer audio so I had to go out and change it yes that that was probably when when I tried to ask You did the right going away and coming back because I reset it
Yeah, exactly. She would have to leave
Judas. We don't have yet.
We don't have to Just
notice Yep. And Greg, Greg is here.
Hi, how are you?
I'm good, Greg. Thank you and how are you?
Are we all inside
inside? And how is the situation there? Is it is it complete lockdown situation or are
you the Ark is pretty much a complete lockdown. It's the epicenter of the corona virus in New York more cases you know, more more problems. And so I'm staying is I'm staying pretty close to home I like in home
must be good, right? Good break for you, Greg, from the grind right
now because the both all the jobs are business as usual. It's just working remotely.
We've all been sent home and been told to be just as productive
I wish I wish it was a break some people who are jobs they can't really do you know just with a laptop and a phone
are are enjoying themselves
yes and and i think it so far jolly did it make a difference for you because you
I've had jobs canceled where I'd be going out and doing production but I have a bunch of editing to do and so that's the only
Okay, I'm gonna lie see is
hi shibby and Hi everyone. I there was a bit of a mix up with the audio. I'm fine now.
That was my fault. I'm sorry.
Okay, okay, good. And yeah, look, Australia is a bit of a mishmash when It comes to messaging and what we should do and shouldn't do and I keep changing it and yeah, we should be we should be in lockdown, really. But there's a class a border between two states and I live. I live close to the world. I live an hour away from a border. And my parents are on the other side of the border. So I can't see them. I can't go and visit them. Unless I go into 14 day quarantine in Queensland, which is the other state so yeah, it's it's all it's all messy. So YouTube from New York I because I came in late with the audio I I didn't hear Greg what you said that you you have to work from home.
Yeah, I'm on lockdown,
and we've been out. We've been at it for you know, over a week now. Yeah.
Last Monday, last Monday I was in the office. And they they said they were going to start doing split squad. They had already done that for a week with some people, and then by the end of the day, they told everybody just to go home and not come back.
Thank God, they're not done since last Tuesday. Right. Right.
So, shall we wait for doodles or any any news about her?
Let me just check. Skype, which is where she hangs out.
And Shabbir, how are you going? and Pakistan.
So in Pakistan, there are still cases emerging up but there there is a sticky situation. Here is is a bit more messy than than in Australia so so we we did the lockdown is in practically in place now, since this weekend not this weekend since this fight is last Friday and earlier than that, when we talked last time I told you that in the beginning they had closed down the educational institutes and the universities and stuff like that. But the The unfortunate thing is that people, some of the people not everyone but some people are not taking it seriously and that that's creating a really a mess. And and to add the cherry on the top was that some people made it a point to go to picnics and all that stuff. So you can you can just imagine that what can Have a station that would create and deliver. They are quite news in that context as well. But But now, since this last Friday
sorry. So I forgot I didn't have it in my calendar and then I got confused and the day
was gone. Oh, yeah, I came to the meeting yesterday I was all sat down here at 10 o'clock yesterday evening.
Now how's your parents?
They're okay. At the moment. It's just I can't go visit them. So, yeah, it's, yeah, I've got to introduce them to Skype video and they are willingly using it, but we'll just have to.
So jolly question for you is, can we have our own zoo? account instead of
always using Isaac New York's
we go it's not I thought New York's is fine my personal one that we use Oh when you can it's like 15 bucks a month. You know you could
do we get all
Yeah, I think I think now since sentence we can have the admin funding and this 15 bucks a month would be like 150 bucks a year that can be afforded I think.
Now, I have an account for
I sock New York and you know, it doesn't get much traffic. So we might as well just use that.
Yeah, and I have one too. So I think
you have to make us give us but but see what you have to do is Greg is since we have that you have to make us put us in your plan.
So that you can do what
so that we could help hosts like if Candela and I wanted to do a host
Sure, yeah, I should be able to do that.
I'm not sure how easy it is because it's, you know, with with a new kind of account we've got, which is the $15 a month account, you got a single host.
No but but jolly. What they mean by single host means that jolly and gray cannot be using the I suck New York account and hosting two different webinars.
I'm not sure I think there's only one person.
No, I've seen that a few I know people who have who have the other one. And that if they are many of them signing on. It said they can host two different webinars at the same time.
I think i think
i think it If you want to have two webinars or two meetings at the same time, you have to buy a package, which is much more cost costly than 15 bucks a month, I'll say two things here. One is
with a single host, you can't have more than one webinar at a time that you're hosting. Okay? And at the same time you've got, you know, you've only got one name on the account. Okay, both and then and then Okay, pause. And then you move up to like the business account. You can have more names on the account, but they have to have the same business address on the, you know, so if another Greg could share the ISO, NY account with someone else who has an ISO can why email address.
That's why they work in enterprise type accounts and
enterprise type thing.
Well, if you name
two, oh, yeah, well, I could give you my login. Yeah, but I'm not gonna do. I mean, that's, that's, you know, that's, that's not the way works. How it works is Judith is if you want to run a session, you request the admin, whoever that might be either me or Greg or whoever, the person that is the single host to set up a call for you. And then, as I did on that one that you did previously, with your group, I have to log in on the call, give you co host, and then away you go.
But the question here is that can we use our email, which is info at accessibility SIG or ECA at accessibility? CEUs. Yes, to host an account so that weekend, at least, and it's not just for us, you're on call or incoming as well. to whoever they may be. They the dugout can be transferred to, to those guys, at least the executive conference. So if they want to set up a call, yes, they can set up the cards.
Yes, that could be done. You know, same time, it has to be coordinated because if two people set up calls at the same time,
having trouble for
anybody. And then lastly, I want to use the email which is, which is the EC EC accessibility SIG? Because that email is being used by by all of us, right?
info is actually just you and me. ec is everybody. Yeah.
Easy, easy. I so that's why I want to use EC, not the info. Yeah.
Yeah. You know, you could do that. But as I still say, if two of us decided to use it, I'm gonna see I'm likely
not gonna be good.
And then the other thing
I will say, dude, it's not just because what what do this is saying is make sense because first So, you will have to be either you or Greg will have to be coordinated twice once when when you ask for for organizing or setting up the meeting, and then you have to be connected while in the call and and fast host tried hosting live, the first thing I will say
is, if you want to have a one to one conversation with someone else, or anything, a free your own free account allows you to set up a call and the only restriction is that it you know, after 40 minutes, you have to start a call again.
It would just be I think, easier. If what if we had if we can,
well, you know, it's up to you but basically we're spending that much of money on some thing that we don't actually need?
No, but why couldn't Greg, you said yours doesn't get much thing. Um, but the same
time it's an eye sock ny resource, so he's not going to share his user ID. I mean, I admit, I have the latin america i sock user ID and I can use their zoom at any time and I used it for Ethiopia, Ethiopian conference the other day when I needed an extra zoom for the translation, that you know, I carefully looked at what else they had scheduled for I did it. Another thing that I will say is if you have the ID, when you log in, if calls are scheduled, you can see what other calls are scheduled, so you can actually fit in with it.
So that's what I'm talking about. We have to, I have the account that I need to have it underneath someone else's account so I can have so I can see so we can see all the scheduling that can be done.
Don't object as long as people are clear on what's involved in, you know,
currently Hello, Greg, I think we have to we are yet to hear the views of Greg and Canella. On this.
I was just gonna say that I'm looking at the New York zoom account, which I haven't spent much time learning the nuances of. So I'm allowed to add zero licensed users, and unlimited basic users. And so I'm not sure exactly what a basic user can can do. But I'm, you know, no objection to adding which one was trying not to see what happens. Okay,
so yeah, look, my my comment is that we have a lot of other things on our agenda, and I have to leave the issue for another meeting in an hour and 45 minutes. So I really think
Let's deal with this in the background then.
Okay, so I think let's let's go by the end points and
first one was the the webinars.
So here in Islamabad what we are planning is is so so first thing first is that as an accessibility see we need to plan some webinars in upcoming months or or weeks. And in that context, since everything is going online in Islam but I'd like to start by chapter is planning a webinar on the current situation and the information in what's happening in Pakistan in general and what I was thinking of
Yes, I shared the agenda on the email
first email. Should I followed that again? Yeah.
Give me just a sec. Who sent me. Where's your agenda? Yeah, you send it on the email earlier A long time ago. Well,
here it is. Here's again.
Another thing Gunilla, I saw a I got a welcome to the new D catalyst.
processor like a mail from decad saying we are now in the process of transitioning it.
So do you get in the car thing we have that on on our agenda? And we'll discuss this. I'm sorry, I skipped the agenda myself. First thing on the agenda was the Edmond funding.
glide record on a budget.
Greg has done the budget. Yes.
thing is Mohammed is a, according to Stein, we can put a good chunk of the live streams in the budget in the admin budget.
Well, what I will say is just today is I had a call from Dan York, Stein have been talking to Dan and I clarified with him that the fact that you know, where how live streaming chunk funding works, and he's gonna respond to her tomorrow, where she thought I saw paid me to go and do stuff, whereas in fact, guys doesn't pay me to go and
But she does he
for 2019 funding, the from the email that that were exchanged earlier, we know that there are some email exchanges which I thought had agreed that they would reimburse the funds but you'd have to do that So can you can you give something us on that?
Well, so so so this thing this budget is 3000. So I thought you had 1200 I thought you cost 12. some reason this is shorter, we have other expenses that were not included. We should only have we should be at close to 4000 left the 1200. So what got dropped off? I'm glad that wasn't the other one.
That got dropped off was the second 1200 of live stream build was 12 at $200. But that broke the $3,000 budget. So right, I left all that wasn't.
That was small ground. Yeah,
no, no, but sometimes can be completed on that.
We're talking about Yeah, there is no small grant. There is an admin that we need to budget for and we have So far, five expenses that have been around for a while, basically business cards, and captioning. And then we have the last which is as many live streams as I could fit in under $3,000, which was six at $200 each. And so that's at least a budget, you know, how we do deal with it in the actual,
can we add another half a live stream and instead of is 28. You know, like, bigger than $100. And then
this is only a budget. So, you know, we could budget for I could add one more, and this will be slightly over budget and that will just be
the year 2019. Yes, yes. Okay. What else
sweet sauce on
Sorry, I don't know what that
was that sweet spot.
So we put in an amount for 40,000. And what was the total amount that there was a for the card and livestream.
was about 1600 and change. Yes.
Yes. Yeah. And then there was this
hearing. I'm hearing a lot of noise from somewhere.
Yes. Someone is putting has a TV on.
Now it's quite Yes.
Well, well I will say about this is that we should maybe just hold off a day, while Dan York speaks again to Stein and maybe they can The further clarification on this, and, and you know, and then either we will, you know, an either we will get, it'll go through as Greg as book or they'll go, Okay, fine. You can have your small grant money, so it's going to be one or the other and we just wait and see. I think we can close this item on the agenda as to last year's budget and move on to whatever's next.
Before we leave last year's budget, just a couple things. In order to actually pay these out, I will need to get invoices or receipts. Yeah, I have for for for each of those. So I have no ideal if you could scan it and email it to me. Yeah. That'd be great. Also, if there are any other expenses, putting aside the budget, if there are any other expenses that people have, for you know, made on behalf of the I've already expended on behalf of the SIG. You could send it to me With the receipt and invoice and reason date
and you're talking 19.
Yeah, in 2019. Did we have
Gunilla? Well, you reimbursed for for the car for the payments that you incurred.
Yes, Jolie was incredibly fast in in reimbursing me for that. So he is wearing that cost as well. And I think Joe,
thank you. Thank you very much.
It was really only $550 for all those cards for all three of us. Absolutely.
It's a great deal. Yes, that
that was that was one of those cards. I really am amazed about those cards. Those are
for someone else that we're
gonna end on that since we are on the topic. I just want to To ask, can you ask the guy if they can add a barcode? on on the on the cards? Along with Braille? You mean a QR
unique barcode or QR
code for a QR code? Yeah I mean QR code not bar code QR code QR code for for any any online card or any social media website links, etc.
I can't see why no i because that that would be less complex and the Brian
Yeah, no, I mean, we we gave them a graphic which which they adjusted. So we couldn't if we gave them that graphic, they could just they would just include it. That's something could be done. That's not a Yeah.
That's not it. Yeah. Okay.
So if, if you shall be have any, any requests for counting For anyone else, I'm sure that that would be very easy for them to do.
long on the email. I beg your pardon Judas Rector sent me an access to the zoom account and his email is Judas at j Hello seen that calm not Hello steam calm Which one?
This is only for Greg.
Okay send the invite.
Yeah Okay, thanks. You're gonna resend it.
Now I want to I want to ask a question or make a comment about the expenditure that God made. And we can talk about daycare generally in a minute but, but since we're on the budget, Johnny's spent $45 or something for a domain name for the record. And, and that's that's strictly not Accessibility seeks. So we need to we need to differentiate any any of you know, potential costs in future that that will come on decad for example, captioning of any calls and and so we don't we don't have an income stream for for D pad but Id FSA have have through Marcus just informally for Marcus has said that he would cover the costs of captioning but I need to check in with him about things like a domain name. So I just wanted to raise that in in you know, in the budget. My idea,
my idea on this is so of course, your comments would be important on that as well. But my idea here is that That accessibility SAIC agreed to host a website and the mailing lists of daycare when we when we were discussing this last year. Yeah, this, of course, I think jolly, you paid for the hosting costs this year in 2020. Right.
What is in fact is it's on Isaac and wise account. So the hosting cost is actually zero. Because it's already it's just included. The only cost is the domain.
The only cost is the domain.
And the domain was purchased in 2020. Yeah, so this will this will be included in the first thing is that this would be included in in the next budget. That's the budget that would be we will be putting up for for next admin.
What what Mohammed is proposing is that we pay for the domain cost out of out of by our own admin expenses, I think we could just take a vote on that yes or no?
Yeah. And for the captioning if, if if, if we are to caption the daycare calls, if IDF s APS for those captioning, we will definitely use that those budgets. But I think that we will have to really apologize from daycare that we cannot pay for the captioning of their calls. No, no, no.
Yeah. I yeah,
I've I think that that's
that's that's the
I'm certainly very happy with that should be a suggestion but it depends how everyone else feels and if it's appropriate, you know, for for I sock to do so. Yeah, so that is mainly
I would vote I would vote you know, if asked to vote I would vote I've like you know, paying it out. have our admin plans and which we hopefully will receive the, you know, the first thing is, which is again, is that, you know, we will, you know, we do some captioning, we'll be paying the captioner and then and then we'll be getting, you know, getting to going to Marcus also whatever for the money back. So we're still, you know, we can't leave, you know, someone has to be the customer. Do you see what I mean to the caption company?
Yeah, yeah. So it's, we could ask what to do then is what we need to do is to plan that we would have X number of calls for decad in a year. And and that would cost X number of dollars and present that to IGF essay.
Yeah, Ella as an excellent plan, and then they can send us the money on that. And
money. They lost that money.
Yeah, they would send the money to the NYC account.
Do you want to send the NYC account on the accessibility city account?
Oh, and you know, Greg and I oh crap
Trash Room. Does that does that work for you?
Well, this is Greg, I just you know, caution that you know, right now, assuming we get the $3,000 and that, you know, we're still roughly $1,000 in the red and with no, you know, we can you know, we were really shouldn't spend the 2020 admin grant on on 2019? because that'll come back to bite us when we give our report in.
No, no, no, we will not spend 20 2020 admin grants on 19.
Both ones we don't have. We don't have we have negative dollars to spend on any sale.
But Greg, apparently, Dan York, we were going to get as admin fun. And then Dan York is talking to Stein, and they may cover all the all the live stream pic costs. And so we won't be negative 1000. Then
when you're saying they will cover all the live stream costs, that's all 20 $400? Yes. Oh, so that wouldn't have to be part of our admin budget at all. Which is why Yeah, I'm sorry, a little slow on the uptake. And that's why we need to kind of wait a day or two before we submit anything to anybody.
Oh, I can talk to This another time so we don't waste time. So okay, yes.
Sounds good. Let's go back to the regularly scheduled programming.
So now we can we come to the the activities of accessibility sec 2020. And this is what there are there were three things, mainly webinars, APR idea proposals and IETF proposals. And the good thing is that now, we have some time, and I think we need to put in proposals and we need to, we need to encourage the membership to put in some proposals on accessibility and APR, IDF and IDF. And then we need to plan some webinars and when I was talking earlier about having a local web webinar in, in the local context and what I was thinking of Including a five to 10 minutes slot for speaking on accessibility and in the time of covered 19. And then the so you may have seen this this news coming up some of the senators in the United States did discuss that. The educational agency, I am forgetting the name, but they discussed that they should drop the accessibility Ada guidelines for persons with disabilities while they are planning the online calls and online sessions for persons with disabilities for at least they were asking talking about the giving the relaxations for one year. Actually, I I came to know about this thing from from the National Federation of the Blind mailing list which I was which I attended last year. So so this is what One of the things that while while organizations and education sectors are going more and more online, they are to consider the requirements for persons with disabilities while they are choosing they're planning their online tools and all that stuff. Probably the starboard chapter is in the planning phase. And what I am talking to them is that if if they agreed to include the accessibility SIG as partner, and they also include us a speaking slot, what we can provide is that we will provide them a speaker, which could be anyone from accessibility, leadership or membership, which we can decide on. And secondly, there could be I was thinking of having this called captioned it was special We are yet to decide that it would whether it would be in local language, which if it is in although we cannot have it caption, but if if the leadership decides to have it in English, then we can have it caption. So, so this is one thing and your your ideas and thoughts are also what we can do is that we can also plan a complete independent webinar on the same topic, accessibility for person with disabilities in the time of Corona
worldwide one tripod, I think that's a great idea.
Yeah. I think it's a great idea. Yeah,
yeah, I agree. And I just to add, I, Andrea, Andrea sets a dialogue with people from it you and who o and international Hard of Hearing Association about the message Going out from, from I think mainly who and there was discussion about open or closed captioning and sign language interpreters and how how it should be done and there was a lot of different ideas about it. So I think that would be very useful. And I suggested when I was linked into that email thread that they might want to put something in to the IGF but I don't know if they're going to happen. So So certainly I think it's really important that
this gets a good airing.
Yes, so what would you think that should we should we club it, it club it with with a soccer star chapter which they are planning all we should have it our separate, complete, independent web are off on
Yeah, yeah, it's such an
you know, I'm for accessibility in in Pakistan, I think you you, you have to go with Urdu and I'm you know, I'm surprised to hear you say that there's no option to to do transcription in Urdu you know, so, you know possibly you can do sign language in Urdu right. We
we can do sign language we can do sign language, but we cannot do the transcript transcription. So, I will have to I will have to look for it for for any transcription companies here because I have not used it so far so I cannot see anything with certainty here. I look for it and I'll get back to you on this. Great no Any ideas about other topics APR IDF and IDF proposals?
Are we going to do another I think we should put together a proposal for the IDF I'm
with what we it needs to be due on the 15th. Also, I'm jolly, have you put together then send out the evaluation that we're going to use for for the dynamic college for decad annual report.
Um, so you you're saying I'll be sued for this part of it.
According to what one of the components what they were saying on the DC call Was that it? Many of us are in decad. So we're talking about our accomplishments, but we are we are actually Sick and we are decad. So the one that said that what we've been doing on accessibility on internet governance, it's really the same thing. And that we could use everyone. anyone's personal DEEK anyone's. That's why I asked you to code for has anything that any of the decad members have done, we can put in our annual report.
Okay, we just have to be clear here, dude, if we're suddenly talking about leappad and not
know, yeah, but I'm talking about,
you know, because your message to the alley cyclist was was kind of confusing, you know, because they said, Oh, we need to do it.
Now. This is put new foot future while we're going
through a little process of identity here. We don't know where decad or or, you know, so.
I want to
walk through dressing one when
i think i think Yes, it does. It's, it's it's confusing, yes, wanting whatever we have we have done on accessibility. In 2019. We, we did we put those activities in accessibility See, activities, yes.
but but can we can we really put those activities at two places one is for accessibility sake and the other is for idea because what we have already been talking about is that keeping the two separate entities and and keeping their identities alive. If we, if we merge those identities, then there would be questions and what's the point of
merging identities is that he had had no really movement in 2019 Except but by what the individual users who are decad members have done.
this dude if I understand that, that you want to help decad by increasing what it looks like it has done so it organization rather than individual members. But let's i think you know if I'm going to head decad I'm happy to put something together and and you you had some things in your email so that can be moving too soon. The the niqab workshop session at the mgf for the participation on the DC panel, participation and decent coordination session, and B Inclusion session. And also the work with transitioning. And
yeah, but they said it wasn't enough. They said we need activities during the year now. Not.
I'm a big card member, you know, I can list some of my same things like listed for the sake of decad. Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. That's what I understand is that is it for us, for those of us that are individuals but at the same time, your appeal should have gone to decad and not not to that appeal. Well, you know, the decad email address, the old one is working. I've set up a new one is working, there's no reason I
have I personally have no problem in that. But But you see what there would be the problem problem would be when we when we showcase these two reports, as as when we showcase the activity, force of accessibility sake of 29 the activities of 2019 for accessibility sake and accessing the activities of daycare for 2019 would look like similar. So when someone looks at these two reports together, they will look like
Mohammed the two different places. The sole purpose of this report before decad is so that we get we don't lose it can spot
we like is it just? Is it just for reporting?
Yes, I'm getting it right. Yes.
So people are,
so I am I have personally have no problem in in putting my activities for the year 2019 I can,
yes, I'm in the same position. I can say, Okay. decad Here is what I've done this year. I did all this work on behalf of Elysee. You know, and, and those are act, you know, and that's, and that's what, that's what I'm saying. You know what I mean? So it's me and this is what I do. You Are I participated in these in these? RV sick activities?
Yeah. So he said that any day said we could put in any stuff done by decad members during the year.
okay. All right. Well, we I think we're not going to get anything from from the list necessarily.
and if we jump in with something that should be
said that if
that on behalf of my
mama, can you mute, we're hearing we can't hear good now and well enough, then. Okay. Okay. Okay.
I was I was listening to my computer. So,
But but I'm just saying that we need to make clear in the decad report that that as a decad member, as an individual, we have done this on accessibility, but on behalf of the accessibility SIG, which would also benefit decad. So we can we can put it in terms, which, which means that it shows some activity, and it will meet their requirements. Having said that, the previous year, there wasn't much activity either. And there didn't seem to be an issue with getting a squat.
Yeah, but they're changing the rules. And into this. Okay, all right. That's fine. We don't want to lose our spot.
No, no, no, no, no, of course not. Of course, no. And I need to put in a submission About what decad will do in its session. But that's, you know, that's not the conversation that we should have here. So let's, let's just agree that. Yes,
yes. Let's move on to. So we have Yeah.
So we have already covered the item number three, update on daycare,
accessibility co hosting of the
daycare. Question for you. It was an email that just came across the catalyst about the moving who sent that.
Are they? Okay?
Okay, so at this stage, what I did is
I just today activated the new list.
Yeah, thanks for that. That's really good. And I wanted to ask you jolly, have you had a chance to play around reverse WordPress?
I should have fixed it. I just I just threw the thing in there today. The one thing I'm I'm that we could ask about Can we get the archive of the decad list? That's what we haven't been given.
Gunilla, I think and we are yet to receive an email as a card member from India, which really needs to go out.
I know I know you have been you have been pushing it a lot, oh my goodness
limit Yes, there is a limit. One can one can push the things around. But, but can you can you write to when you write to Andrea or some guys in it, you ask them that they if they can share the archives with us? Yes. Because without them we cannot we cannot have those archives.
You know, I I actually downloaded like, you know, I use the web caption Pro. gram to, like, grab the whole of what's there on the ICU site? So I have already did, I might I got most of that some of it, you know, links back to other things that are, I think, will stay on their site that are like PDFs and so on. So they're on there, but I kind of I kind of have a lot of it, but I looked at it and said, You know, there isn't actually there wasn't actually so much. But, you know, that really was really useful going ahead, you know, we're, you know, we should be somewhat forward looking, I think with with making a structure that works into the, into the future, but I did I agree. Yeah.
And I think that the website doesn't have a huge amount of content and there are links, External links that need to be fixed, etc, etc. But, but yeah, the the struction needs to be fixed. I think if you and I can spend maybe a bit of time next week or the week after working on that, that would be really good. And we can we can certainly improve our websites. So that would be great. And, and this thing about trying to get Andrea to write that, well not to write the email, it's written, it's approved by it you. It's just that she, she doesn't send it and I've tried again, yesterday and today and, and she says, oh, I'll do it tomorrow. So I think what Joe is done is introduced the new decad mailing list and we'll just work away at the website. We might put a we might do a call with Deacon members. And, and I, you know, we'll, we'll find out the time that would work If Joey, you would be prepared then to host that in the next within the next two weeks because I need I need well, even sooner because I need to tell people that we're not necessarily putting in a decad workshop proposal, we are encouraging decad members to do their own, I want to also outline a whole lot of other things about how decad work.
Notwithstanding our earlier conversation about keeping distinct identities, I do think that this business of, of accessibility in the time of Corona is something that we should both be we should work in on as a partnership. And that certainly, that some that this is would be a good lever to reactivate the decad a bit. And so we could sort of dedicate dedicate the new site to very much to that topic.
Can we do something like that? For our IGF proposal?
We can but but basically what I saw correct me if I'm, if I'm wrong, the the main purpose of daycare was to coordinate with with other DCs one and to coordinate with other regional and national AD FS
Mohammed I'm not talking
about, I'm talking about submitting our own proposal to the IGF as a level why, like we did last year, but we failed.
We raised we certainly can do that.
Yeah, I agree with that. And we again now, we were going to have this trouble of separating decad and nl SIG and And certainly I agree we can have Corona on both websites or with a webinar. But we we just need to be careful about who's doing what under under which umbrella.
Yeah. And last thing is that on the, the medium and and large, not medium small and large logs. So this year we can have two small grants and one large grant application. And the same if I remember the earlier email by by Sarah correctly, we can have two small grants for 2020 and two for 2021. And one for lifeguards of $30,000. For now, I don't have any any ideas for lifeguard proposals, but certainly we can have small grounds where we can, we can experiment a bit. And there this is, this is something which we need our membership to, to be a bit more active because this is because most of the time in 2019, what we have been doing, we, as an EC have been doing most of most of the things. And this year, we need to have more member meetings, as well as activate and encourage our members to do certain activities. So, so I would really appreciate on this context,
I will say that, you know, what the most successful thing I think that we did last year was your event in Pakistan, where you had you did the training accessibility of websites for the GOP in conjunction with the government and and I think some kind of project based around you know, getting that going in other places is is was something we concluded was a good idea after that and I think that's something only
maybe we can Diplo is doing a lot more stuff on virtual stuff. What about partnering with Diplo on some accessibility issue with them? Because they
I think that would be excellent. I I had a nice chat to someone I know in Berlin and and I needed to talk to someone more senior and didn't didn't happen, but I would very much I think that would be great.
You know who else in LA there is ginger? Yes, yes. Ginger. And Teresa's a good I like because I have choices here in DC but She she's also very high up there. But I think this especially as they're doing, I was on the call, and now they've switched to zoom. They were on Adobe. But last weeks when they did the last one with that they did with I sock and others, they now move to zoom. I had complained that Adobe Connect is not really assessable
as a bandwidth back onto the topic of small grant proposals,
right, so I'm thinking doing it with Diplo doing some project. We could do some kind of my thought is do Khan summer accessibility project with Diplo?
Well, actually, what I would like to see is that when Diplo runs its mainstream courses and stuff the number of issues with privacy and and insecurity etc, etc, that it just incorporates accessibility as as one of the topics of discussion. So it's not something put to, you know, a separate something that people may wish to do. It's just part of a main course.
Right, but we need still need to have some partnership with them. So I think
and what we can say is that if we apply for an ISO grant that we can work on developing the particular accessibility content on that, but we need to work very closely with them. So yeah, and we need to we need to think through this carefully, but I think the general idea is good. And the other one
I'd like to mention very quickly,
then your way back last year in Montreal,
keen to, to work with us on on accessibility within ourself and training staff. And you know, it's like never ending they just don't seem to get us they just don't seem to get it. So if I think it's rather ironic though, we would be applying for a grant to train I suck stuff.
I like that.
Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um, also, can you see the email from Gunilla may not have seen the email because she's not I think only one day after chapters. But Mohammed you saw the email and Greg and everyone the new grant system flux is
gonna actually know is on the list. Jeffery does this because as a as a chapter leader for accessibility SIG
nella no but she sent it only to chapter leaders chapter delegates sounds like another chapter
what Chapter The chapter delegates to this is a chapter leaders List it's wrongly named. It's something I've complained about before
quinella you on chapter Are you on the chapter leaders list?
I have been on it for a long time since I was on the board in Australia so I'm guessing it so it's no I do this I need to go now. Yeah.
We could we could we could finish our conversation with others if they can work on longer go now. I know you have to go. But
I have a hard stop as well. Yeah,
we I think I think we have pretty much pretty much done with our, our today's agenda. And thank you very much for joining us this this morning. It's morning for me. I actually go now and grab my breakfast. And just I just had a cup of coffee. So So it's this morning and for you it's
Thank you very much. Yes. And have a nice sleep. So
thanks, everybody. Thanks all.
I recorded this forward it to you for so you can do your secretary job Judah.
Oh, yes. I didn't take notes. Okay. Yeah. Oh, can you put it through? Get me a transcript. The resume doing automatic transcripts afterwards like layout.
Put it through alter. Yeah.
Because apparently zoom. I know and I can Yes. Okay.
Enough. Goodbye. Okay. Bye.