ThinkComputers Podcast #209
2:40PM Feb 13, 2020
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What is up guys welcome to the thing computers weekly tech podcast This is Episode 209 and episode is brought to you by Amazon if you to think computers that org forward slash Amazon and having to purchase something that gives us little kickback and of course helps the podcast keep on going with me is my co host Ryan what's up Ryan?
much? had a little time off but ready to podcast again get back in Yeah.
Oh man, I have not taken a week off of the website and in a very long time and
like I don't even think since I've worked for you like you've taken this much time off.
Yeah, it uh, I think it was just needed. I think that's towards the end of the year we try to rush and get everything done for CES and then you have the craziness which is CS and then After that, you're just like, it's just everything's going crazy. And for Christmas, I had bought my girlfriend a trip to Florida. And that was the plan. And I promised her that I wouldn't work. Because every time I say like, every time we've gone on trips, I'm always still working because it's just non stop. Um, but I promised her I wouldn't work and I didn't. And it felt so good to just kind of detach, like, I didn't even check Twitter, hardly like, I didn't check any tech stuff. It was just like, me in the beach, which was, which I think was like, much needed. And I feel refreshed now. I'm ready to go. Like, I'm ready to put out a ton of content. Like I'm just ready to go.
So yeah, so that's like, you know, I'm like, I'm just I'm ready to go.
Yeah, so Um, but yeah, you said I look a little tan. I don't think I'm that tan
can. I mean like, I was worried and some of those pictures dealer looking pretty red to me, and I was
Yeah, he's gonna be sore. But no, I actually wore a suntan lotion this time that I'm
wearing that yeah I never wear it when I was young like like up through high school and probably a little past because I was always outside anyways in the summer and like playing sports and all that so I'd always get tan but now but I'm not out there I burn like so much quicker and just don't have that year round to him anymore.
Yeah, last year when I went to Hawaii for the the orest AMD thing I didn't put any on and I came back and I was like beet red. So it's like I can't come back beet red like to make YouTube videos. Like
I can look like a complete idiot so so yeah, but yeah, great trip. Um, we just real quick to tell everybody I stayed in Clearwater Beach area. And it's just just a great area. Chris really laid back just a lot of fun. If you guys follow me specifically or like on Twitter or Facebook, you can see all the pictures and all that kind of stuff, but let's uh let's get into tech and this week, we actually have four of us we have one that launched the week that was away and then we have three this week. So a lot of cool stuff going on. We'll first start with a m r x 5500 x t and the RX for the 500 x t from AMD is what I like to call their Esports card. So now that we we think we have the full lineup from AMD, we don't know because there might be a bigger chip coming but you know the 5500 is the esports card the 5600 is the ultimate 10 ATP card and the 57 is the ER is not the way it's the 1440 p card so we took a look at MSI Gaming x card. And I have to say again, we took a look at their 5600 Gaming next as well. I absolutely love the gaming next. I think that Just the style it's it's throughout the entire lineup, like all the cards pretty much look the same. I didn't take it first because I was like, wait, I swear I've seen this, but
I, you know, looked at it a little closer and realized, you know, this is a different review. So
yeah, yeah, so again, the cards look the same. Obviously, this one's much smaller than the 56. But just the overall design is really great. You're still getting that frozen seven cooling design with their torque x three point of fans and everything like that. It's just a great card. And I think that just in general, the 5500 x t is that eSports card or 1080 p card, you really not going to get into 1440 p unless you turn things you know really really far down with this card. But the problem and since you know we reviewed a sapphire card, the problem with the 5500 x t is that if you have a 570 or 580 there is absolutely no reason to get this card right. So you know, and the is trying to replace all of that old inventory with this. But if you have that card, we have one of those two cards, the performance is pretty close. So it's kind of pointless to upgrade. And you can buy those cards us for $100. And this is a $200 card. So it's kind of like
you know, that extra hundred dollars can go a long way in a build I think. So that's kind of where it's very hard to recommend this card for somebody who either has that card or wants to put $100 into like an NVMe drive or or RGV memory or something like that. You know what I mean?
But MSI is implementation of this is really good. Like I said, I think their implementation of gaming x is one of the best series for AMD Radeon cards or 5000 series cards. It's just great all around you even on this lower end card. You do get a metal backplate you know You will get RGB lighting like so this part right here lights up on the card. It's just it's just a good card, you know, I mean but I think that again the 5500 is just a hard self for a lot of reasons. But if you are building a new system you want the newer card, you're playing mainly eSports titles and 10 ATP titles, you're going to get over 60 FPS in pretty much all 10 AVP you know, triple A 10 ATP titles eSports titles will go even higher. But again, it's not like the 56 where you're going to get higher, you know, over 100 frames in 1080 p but if you're just playing 10 ap and you want to get over 60 FPS is the perfect card for you. I think again MSI implementation of this is really good. So I believe I gave it a nine out of 10 I think the only con of it, as I said is it's just a hard sell because we have so much inventory of 580s
Yep, comparable older Gen stuff that you can get a little better priced, but
Yeah and then the reference card of this does sell for for 199. This is 224 which is about a $25 premium. I think it's worth it custom cooling solution. It is overclocked, I didn't mention that. And then one thing to talk about with these cards, if you're comparing them to Nvidia cards, you do get the radium boost now, which is great for eSports titles, so pub g supports that Overwatch and Borderlands three supported there's a few other titles that support it now. It's basically going to give you more frames in those titles. So that's also something to think about. And the radio and software is better than GeForce not GeForce Experience, but GeForce ones are called
the control panel.
Yeah, their control panel looks like it was put together 98
you know, so, so yeah, so like I said, this is like, probably my favorite 5500 x t. It It looks like a higher end card. But it's again, a lower, you know, lower end card gaming. Next is the way to go when it comes to 5000 series, I would say as well. So check out the review, if you're interested. Again, it's just a hard sell at with the five, eight, all the five ladies that are out there and everything like that. So. So yeah, and then I took a look at a case and this is a case that I've been wanting to take a look out for a while because it's pretty affordable. It's the color that we got is a different color than a lot of other cases, especially like entry level cases. And it just has a really nice design and just like some really interesting design elements for an entry level case that kind of just set it apart from every other case that has this pretty much same design. So this case is Be quiet pure base 500. And if you look at the one that we reviewed, we have this metallic gray, which looks the front panel it looks really cool. It's made it look like brushed aluminum it's not.
I've seen that on another case I reviewed previously like I think it was an entities case that had that same kind of look and it's actually pretty impressive like especially in the shots that you've got that that gray color looks really nice but that brush to look even though it's plastic it looks pretty nice.
So I think Be quiet or might have been fractal design was the first one because you know we did go from having all like aluminum cases and at least the aluminum front panels and then they're like, why are we wasting money on this will go to plastic but we'll make it look like it's aluminum. And I either be quite a fact I was one of the first ones to do it and like people complained initially but it's like you're saving quite a lot of money and what's the point of having the metal front pedal, you know, I mean? So yeah, so this metallic gray. I actually absolutely love this color. It looks so good. I don't even think my pictures do it justice. But it is Just a great color. This is a mid tower case, it comes with two 140 millimeter cooling fans, which is a big change too, because a lot of cases especially entry level come with 120. These are 140s, which I really like. It has the the filter here that covers the entire bottom. And this case is kind of cool because it allows you to do either a quiet build, or a not I wouldn't say higher flow but more of like a airflow focus build. So on the front panel and on the backside panel, you have sound dampening material,
which is critical you can see that and then you have the intake in the outtakes. So again, a lot of entry level cases don't come with enough fans and this one has to at least give proper intake proper, I'll take your tempered glass side panel side panel is held on by these four screws which I'm personally not a fan of. I just never had Common though, on those
entry level cases, you know,
it's very climate. And then the cool thing about the top of the case, so if you wanted to do a silent build, you kind of have this closed off section here that does have sound dampening material on it. But they also include this sort of like mesh that you can put up there as well. So one thing that we've noticed about with both fractal and be quiet is they give you the option, right? Some companies will do like four different skews, depending on what you want to do this, you have the option to do high airflow or quiet which is kind of nice. And there's no of course additional cost on that. Getting inside the case is one of the really cool design elements that I was talking about, is this. So these are SSD mounts right here, but in between them is this cable routing section but they just put this little thing here that says Be quiet and it's in kind of this like metallic color. It just makes the case for me, I don't know what it is. So it doesn't
necessarily serve a purpose other than being a little design feature.
It's a design feature. And it allows you to route your cables
be so you can tuck stuff behind there and get through there.
Yeah, you can. But it's just, it's just like this cool little design element that you don't think about, but it's like, it is a cool logo. And if you if you have your SSDs there, it just just makes the case for me. But pretty, pretty, standard internal design. Here you can see the, the sound dampening material on the back. And then you do get all of these Velcro straps, which again, is something that you see on more higher end cases. And again, this has been made to be entry level. You have an SSD mount back here as well. So technically, you can fit five SSDs you can fit two here, two on the front and then one in this little section or you can fit two three and a half inch drives here for total of what is that 4566. I can't Six jobs there. So, you know, our build went really well. No real issues except just like a lot of cases, you can see that
lines up perfectly. This is something that we've seen and I've complained about
just a little like, you know, give us a half an inch. Yeah, they're just to get some cables through there.
And you can see how I had to kind of bend especially the USB 3.0 header. I had to kind of bender on everything else wasn't that big of a deal. But this, this header is, you know, and again, this is not an old motherboard either. This is an X 570. So that's the only kind of gripe I had with this case. Besides that, if it's long graphics cards, tall CPU coolers, you know, you can see our completed bill JCL it's just
a little piece white logo. It'd be really cool if there's just a little bit of lighting behind it that made that kind of glow on us, you know, give it that Floating look a little more, but yeah, no, that's nice.
Yeah, it's like I said it's just a little cool design element there. And you can kind of see what it looks like you know, with our some of our RGB lights in there and everything like that. Um, this case I believe it's me see how much it's it's $90 I think the white and black versions are a little bit cheaper because this is like the third color and I think it's just a little bit more expensive. I do believe that you can get it without tempered glass for even cheaper. But I think for sub $100 case, it is a pretty good deal. It is one of the better cases that I've seen and you're not completely locked out of high airflow because you do have the air the air flow here on the side. It's not the best they are actually we saw it at CES are coming out with a new version of this case, which is designed to be completely high airflow, if that's something that you're into, but again, for an entry level case that's under $100. This is one of the best ones that I've seen. Really not easy. single issue with this case except for the fact that your bottom connections or bottom headers on your motherboard or be a little bit harder to access. Yeah, but it's not the worst I've seen. And everything in this case is high quality, all the metals, high quality, it's not bendy or flimsy, the tempered glass panels thick, the front panel, it easily pops on and off. Like we've had issues with that in the past. Everything is easy to install. One of the best entry level cases that I've seen in a very long time.
Yeah, to me. I mean, I don't see the only thing that stood out to me was maybe and in the entry level, it's not as big of a deal I don't think but no type C USB connection on IO on the front, but it's not a deal breaker by any means. I don't think especially $90 Yeah, 240 millimeter fans, which is nice. The sound dampening material on there goes a long way. So
again, it has like a lot of those features, like sound dampening is something you don't find on entry level chaos really, and just they've really done a really great job on this and I gave it our recommended award as well as nine out of 10 just for the fact that if you're looking for an entry level cases one that I would highly recommend for beginners it's easy to build in for seasoned veterans that building you're going to have no problems with this and you can do a lot with it as well. So I mean you can you can fit I believe in the front you can fit a 360 and at the top, it's either 240 or you can fit a two at up top so if you did wanna do some wonderful and you can do that as well. So
I said just for 90 bucks, it is the case I think release right now at that price point. So definitely check out the review and if you're building a new system, I highly recommend this this case for sure. And then you you reviewed a new IO from course there. I did you get Yeah you did. I did you go look at their
very long named I get you 150 tiene I RGB Pro X t
so yeah, this is a new all in one from Coursera who definitely is not new to the game right they've they've kind of had the same, almost the same looking cooler for quite a while that you know squared off waterblock there with the coarser logo lit up and the ring around it but so this is the 115 I so it is the 280 millimeter size. They also have a 360 and a 240. So this just gives takes a little more space gives you a little more surface area as obviously as compared to the 240. So, you know, comes with dual to our sorry, jewel 140 millimeter fans. One thing to note and it's kind of surprising with the way they named this right, they've called it the RGB pro XD. So RGB is obviously in the name, but the fans that they include aren't RGB, so well once Scroll down to the fans. I'll talk about that a little more. But you can see the kit. They're super simple design, pretty standard radiator layout that we've had from Coursera. All Black on there pretty good FPI on this, I think it was 20 fins per inch, which the the thickness of this radiator was what was it? 27 millimeter. So it's not very thick. We looked at a couple other shows recently that ranged anywhere from 36 maybe to 2827. This is actually the thinnest one that I've looked at so far. But it has a pretty high
if you think do you think that course there does that for compatibility?
The thickness, I think that probably adds to it right? You put it on top of a case and it takes up a little less room. I think that's probably part of it. Yeah. And then you know, they can get away with a thinner radiator and higher fan density, as opposed to having a thicker radio with a high density, right. It takes more airflow and pressure Get that air through there. So I mean, it's just kind of that balance you have to make between radiator thickness and fin density. And, you know, in our performance testing and the sound of this, it was fine. You know, it's it's an all in one it's sealed, so you're not going to have any threaded connections that you can disconnect braided sleeves. On the the tubing, which is nice. I really like of course there's material that they use on them. It's pretty flexible, it's nice and smooth. Some of them are more of a plasticky type material, like a kind of hard and rough, whereas these are nice and smooth. They don't feel like they're going to snag and they're just, you know, allow you to route it and put the radiator where you need to end the orientation you need. So yeah, the two fans that were included are their ml series fans, which is their maglev technology, so better performance quieter, but I would have really liked to see RGB fans with this kit. And obviously they have their Platinum Series that does have that are GB fan so without the RGB we save a little bit of money on the cost that's a you know cut and wiring right and aren't the oh my gosh yeah you don't have the the best of wiring but I also wish that these fans had the rubber pads on the corners which they don't they almost look like they do these aren't repat they are not rubber that is just a molded plastic so I really like to see rubber pads especially when you're using them in water cooling to just kind of keep down on vibration but that being said, you know it ships with mounting hardware for AMD and Intel systems you know your 11 five x platforms am for in thread repair as well the TR four
so oh it comes with theme for a car for
a year I believe it did. I don't have it. First of all.
I don't know if you don't see that but
so as far as as far as installation is this in each You're harder than the previous ones you've reviewed, I'd say it's about the same. As far as the AMD setup goes, you use the standard AMD mounting hardware that comes with your motherboard. So you don't have to take the backplate off or put a custom one on there on the AMD side of things, but on the Intel side you do and they include that hardware. So the nice thing is those those brackets on the side of the block, just kind of slide out of a groove and slide back in depending on which setup you need. And then you just have those little kind of islets there with some thumbscrews and just kind of latch them over those standard AMD hooks tighten them with your thumbs, you know, even though they've got Phillips head sockets, they're young you really don't and so you know I just use my thumbs, fingers to type them up and you're really good to go. Obviously, for the IQ connection and control you're going to run a micro USB cable that comes with it to a USB 2.0 header. The only thing about that is the board that I have that on the crosshair six hero only has one USB 2.0. So I had to make the sacrifice of not using the case 2.0 ports and use it for this.
So they get you one of those.
Right? They have their commander, right. They have their commander pro that kind of expands that USB 2.0.
Kind of the the nzxt T. hub.
Yeah, but I mean, yeah, parsers got the same thing. So sticking with that ecosystem. So yeah, that's kind of a downside there. If your kid your board doesn't have more than one USB 2.0.
And then coming to performance, it looked like it did quite well.
It did you know, and again, it's compared to a couple 240 millimeter setups and an air cooler. So again, we're still kind of building out this, the graphs for this new test system that I'm utilizing, but yes, it's idle and low. temperatures were the best we've seen so far. But I kind of expected that since this is a 280 millimeter radio or two now
how's the the sound compared to
today? Like it's silent unless you fans on high IQ obviously control for that for the lighting and the performance
difference with this one because it's called IQ one it can be used an IQ into the RGB on it is completely addressable. So there's absolutely what 1616
Yeah, 16 addressable RGB LED is on the pump body there. There's 12 centers that
I that I always like to mention, people complain about the coarser ecosystem, but if you use the Coursera because ecosystem, all of your if you get Coursera fans, if you RGB strips, every like this is a drop down and you can link everything. So it's all the same effect. Like if you look on my computer
It's a mess of random RGB, it looks like a circus and,
and at CES Coursera did announced that IQ works with or a single Yeah. Or something. So, yeah. So yeah, you can set your fan you can see the fan speeds in real time.
Yes. So right there, it's on the balance setting. So kind of balanced fan speeds and pump speed. One thing I, that's kind of, and I noted here is that you got the temperature on the right side, that's not the temperature of your CPU, but the temperature of the cooler right. So just kind of keeping that in mind. I don't necessarily recommend utilizing that to keep track of your system temperatures, trying to keep track of loop temperature right, as long as you don't mind so often you can customize that obviously that is the first
time I've seen the IQ implementation of an AI I've been just all RGB and gaming stuff so it's cool to see this This reminds me of what was the old one called link course.
IQ was used for this or no did they use link for they use the link? Yeah, they use link. And yeah, so it's got a zero RPM mode as well one of those settings so it can, you know, spin down if the pump and radiator can take take care of your cooling needs. So yeah, it has some graphing and some notifications and control so you know, if you want to shut down your PC after a certain temperature, things like that pretty standard stuff for IQ and then just a few shots there a little gift the bottom of some of the RGB lighting options there. So
why don't you give it you give it
I gave it a solid nine out of 10. My real only complaint was that they weren't RGB fans, but at the same time for the price point of $140. I don't think it's it's too bad, right? You've got fully addressable RGB us on the pump itself. The IQ compatibility. I performs fine. I just wish, you know, we are up there. So yeah, but then you get into a whole nother price price point you'd be closer to I think probably 175.
Yeah, maybe close. Maybe even higher than
that maybe maybe higher. Right. Yeah. I mean on what they include it right. Yeah.
Awesome. That's great kit. Definitely check that review out as well and catching up on our chat. Jim is in the house. What's up, Jim? And Mike is here as well like what's going on?
So that's Jim and Mike from home gadget geeks which I mean, we can kind of bring that up right now. But yeah. Live on home gadget geeks tomorrow night, tomorrow night on their podcast. So we'll be kind of covering some of our CES content as well. I've been we've been playing games with Mike and streaming with him quite a bit lately
getting we're getting we're getting them into Apex which has been like Sunday
kind of he's already Ryan so better than Ryan
we've converted him kind of from console gaming to PC gaming. He's He's, he's sharing also
house, say his mouse and keyboard over the controller that's like biak just real quick into our last review of the week and then we'll get into some other stuff and contests and everything like that. I took a look at Kingston's Casey 2000 which is kind of like Kingston's I guess you would call it their high end Gen three drive, but it's not. It's not under the hyperox brand which would be like their, I guess you would say higher performance brand. So it is one of the first drives to use 96 layer, 3d TLC NAND and it uses the silicon motion sm 2226 n which has been proven. A channel controller it's used on a port like a ton of us Three tribes. And I think overall, there's not a whole lot bad to say about this tribe. One thing this drive does have that not a lot of other tribes do is it does have 256 bit as hardware encryption. So if you're using a work machine that requires like Microsoft E drive or any type of encryption, you need that. And this drive has it. But at the same time, they are pricing this at a premium because of that. And a lot of other enthusiasts drives with, you know, the same type of performance are a little bit cheaper. And that's where it's kind of a this this drive has a little weird. It just doesn't fit. For To me, it doesn't fit enthusiast segment, and it's obviously not designed to be specifically a work drive because it's super fast. It doesn't need to be as fast as it is right.
It's kind of a weird middle ground there.
Yeah. It's just We're drive in. We've always seen Kingston like a tack price, because they can do quantity and it's priced $20 higher than a lot of other drives. It also, I mean, if you look at it, you know, it's not the prettiest drive either. And when you have competing drives that come with heatsinks that just make them look cooler in your system.
This drive, I mean, it just,
I mean, I just I see this going into like as a replacement laptop drive,
that's the thing. It's double sided, so it might not fit. It's a double sided, double sided. So it's just really weird placement for it. I would say it's not a bad drive, it performs really well. We did have some heat issues and that's another thing I talked about with the with the heat spreader, even a simple heat spreader. We did have a throttle, at least I thought I thought oh, I can't like specifically tell if a throttle because of some tests and did some tests it didn't. But obviously there was something going on there with this Dr. When it came to that, and again, it's simple heatsink would have fixed all of that. You know, it's a fast drive.
So the sticker there doesn't have like the standard copper or pretty common copper to just kind of spread the heat. Okay,
yeah, it's just a normal texture. And then one thing that was interesting is that this drive uses the same controller as the a data assets at 200 Pro, which we actually test, the 8200 Pro use the 64 layer TLC, this uses 96 layer, which should be faster yet the 8200 Pro beats it. We don't know why. And maybe our settings or something. Yeah, I think a data has done a lot of really good job with firmware. And I think that maybe because this does have the encryption, and it's I can't it's not a business drive. I can't say this because it's not but because of that they might turned down, like the peak performance for longevity, but I don't know. And if you look at the prices of like some of the highest performing Gen three drives that we reviewed, this drive, the one terabyte is 173. The web black essence, 750 is 158. And the sX 8200 Pro is 149. So again, this is above those, if this was 150, Telly recommended, you do get the encryption, which is a plus even if you're not a business user. It's definitely a plus but you know, it looks kind of playing in the performance is kind of lackluster compared to older drives that have not worse hardware. But you you know what I mean? Just older, older hardware. So I only gave it an eight out of 10. I still think it's a good drive does come with a five year warranty as well. And you do get those security features, but it's just there's other Gen three tribes that are faster, their lessons They're less expensive. It did throttle a little bit. And again, just the price so so yeah, but like I said, if you're a business user, this might be something you might want to look into because you will need your like required to have 256 bit encryption on your drive so so yeah, that's uh, let's go to K smart Friday. And last week, we took a look at a build called Project pure and I like this one because it's so clean I think when it comes to builds, I think my favorite has to be just cleaned up get this clean build this is done inside of a land cool case. Which if you're not familiar with is kind of Liam Lee's kind of entry level brand. not as expensive brand. You can just see the clean lines in this. And another thing I like about this is it I don't think I've seen a lot of people do what he did with the top, or there it is. I'm past it. The top of the case. So this is, this is a channel here for water cooling, but it's actually has cutouts in it for cooling. So it's ventilated. I don't think I've seen anybody do that in Plexi. And I think that's looks awesome. And again, it's super clean as well. You can see all the rivets and everything in there. It's just
Yeah, I like the straight lines, right. Even though there's some angles in here, the fitting or just there's nice 45 degree angle fittings, they look super polished and like really high end. I really like that the only curved lines that I see in here are on the power connection for the video card and I think maybe the motherboard. I don't know if any of the shots actually show the motherboard power but yeah, I just like a lot of straight lines.
I love the colors too. Kind of mute sometimes. Yeah, sometimes copper, hard tubing can be bad and just throw off an entire build. I think it's perfect here. It's polished correctly. Again, you can see the mid plate here custom mid plate design here, which matches the top Plexi that custom flex that he's done there. And I just realized the mirror on the back where you typically have an exhaust fan at the back is a mirror piece. Where did I see that?
Like the last picture on the first page?
Oh, I did not notice that. That brings out the more Yeah,
makes it you know, a little more spacious looking at everything.
Yeah, I really like that. I did not notice that at all soak up but these builds all these builds that we feature. I think one of the coolest things is like looking back and like seeing things that you don't notice. Now on this, this would be the front is this a mirror as well? I think so. Yeah. So that's really cool too. So just great lines and this. Definitely check this one out. I just Love like the clean lines as you said, you know all of these different fittings and everything
on the screw heads right using the the hex Yeah, screw heads there as opposed to just like a standard Philips or something yeah like I'm not a fan and I think I've said this multiple times before of typically of the super custom builds where it doesn't even look like it's supposed to be a computer type of thing. This is like my style of just super clean nice
this is what I want sitting on my desk and I have this RGB monstrosities
it's busy like is like covers right now.
And it's like, well, someone that's not like familiar or up on enthusiast PC and stuff like this that we're showing here. They may not like think anything special of it, because it doesn't just like jump out at you and they'd be like, amazed at your infinity mirror. You know, RGB on it.
So, ya know, now I really liked this build. So definitely check this one out. If this isn't your thing, we have course have a full section of case mon Friday builds that you guys can check out. So it's all on the website. So definitely check that out as well. And we'll go to our contest that we've been running and we've had a lot of people really want this and I think we've given away a lot better things before but I think the reason why people like this because it's you got a choice. So we're giving away a $50 gift card to the online store of your choice as long as we can get you a digital code or whatever it may be. You can get a $50 gift card. So obviously, for reference, I have you know, Amazon, steam, Xbox, iTunes, but it can be Walmart as long as we can get you.
A digital code for a gift card will do that for you. It's worldwide as well. Again, so as long as we can get it to you and your country. If you're the winner. Super easy to enter just like all of our contest. It's done on gleam 11 different ways To enter this, and yeah, just get it get your entry in just a little over two weeks left on this. And the next contest we just locked down today actually, it will be for a product that is launching. And you'll be one of the first people to get this product. So stay tuned for that. But I think this gift card was a great idea because it gives people a lot of choice if you want a game if you want, you know something on Amazon, if you command anything if
you choose Amazon,
yeah, or you know, if you want, like, I'm trying to think of some crazy store like Bass Pro Shop or something, or whatever it may be, as long as we can get you like a digital gift card or E card. We'll get it for you. So definitely check that out. If you go on the website, just click on contest, it's right under there. So really excited to get that out to you guys. And we'll move on to the news this week. And there's one story this week that I think a lot of people have passed over It's really interesting for a couple reasons. One is form factor. And the other is because this is supposedly the technology that Intel's using on their graphics cards come. So Intel put out a press release about their new lake or lakefield,
a CPU package or their architecture. And basically, what this is, it's a new way of designing processors a new way of designing chips, basically where it stacked, it's not, you know, if you think of like a multi chip module or even like a GPU, right, you have your GPU, and then you have your memory around it or whatever, right? Whereas this new technology stacks it. So you have a stack, meaning that you know, you're, you're essentially your processor, your units would only be you know, smaller size Joe show picture. Yeah, I'll bring it up here. So, you know, this is what what they're really talking about is this little chip here is stacked. It's not just the CPU, right? It's your CPU, your memory. And it's using this technology called, if I say this wrong, I'm sorry, folks, arrows, technology, it's 3d stacking technology.
You know, so again, instead of having, you know, CPU, memory, io, all of these different little chips, it's all in one. And what they can do is they can put out a product that looks like this, or a package that looks like this, where you, you know, you can see where you would have your different connections right to other things, right. But this is going to enable smaller devices that can be more powerful. And I think that's really cool to actually list a couple that we've already saw
this Morpheus, Neo, I don't know, I think
Yeah, the surface Neo, and then the galaxy galaxy book ass. And the Lenovo ThinkPad excellent fold will use this technology. And I think that going forward, we're going to see smaller and more powerful devices because of this technology, this full gross 3d stacking technology.
Well, yeah, I mean, if you can combine all that into a single essentially chip, right? Just think of all the space you're saving on a motherboard, you don't have to the route, you know, devices can talk so much faster to each other, then
that's the thing that I I haven't done a whole lot of research on this technology specifically. But that's the whole thing, too, is you don't have the traces to get, you know,
instant access pretty much. Yeah, between components.
But the biggest The biggest thing I think with this is again, reduced board size, right.
So yeah, so I think it'd be really cool to See devices get smaller get very powerful. I think it's the thing that we struggle with for a very long time is bringing in these small devices that actually can do things. I'm sure everybody remembers the netbooks, which did nothing.
you know. So if we can have small little devices that are actually very powerful, we've already gotten there with cell phones, I think but this is I think it's going to be bringing a whole new breed of devices that can do a lot more. So I think that is really cool. But the big thing with this is that the latest leak on Intel x e, which is their graphics card architecture.
Basically points to that is what this will be using. So they're going to use the same type of technology, the photos, 3d stacking, and they're going to they're going to be using these things called tiles. So they're specifically in in This is like their leaked documentation in there in here. They're calling them tiles. They're not calling them chicklets. They're not calling them MCs, they're calling them tiles. So we already talked about the tg one, it was shown at CES. And that is, if you guys can see here, that is their 75 watt part, and that will use one tile. But that's not supposedly that's not the maxed out chip, there'll be one that is 150 watts, as well. And then there's interesting there's going to be a two tile card, which is going to target 300 watts. So that would be like your high end graphics card, right? And then they have a four tile card that if you can look at the input voltage, which is 48 would be for data center and things like that. But it's interesting, if you look at this and if you read it correctly, you can see You know, 75 while I'm here, yeah, so 75, what would be your entry level graphics card? That would be like if we compare it to AMD, because it's easy. That would be your 5500 hundred 50 watt would probably be like your 56, you know, for the seven and the 301 is like 2080. Right? Yeah, around there. So I like this, this whole idea, this 3d stacking technology, as we just talked about, I think it's going to be crucial going forward on a lot of different tech. I think that I haven't even read up on all of it and how it all works. But if they can do that in the GPU space, where you can just you know, stack, essentially what GPUs or you know, however, may be, instead of, you know, a, you remember the dual GPU cards right now, they're huge and yeah, where you could just stack two GPUs together or something. But this kind of gives us a clear indication Of what Intel might possibly doing possibly be doing because everybody saw the dg one and you're like, Yeah 75 watts like people want at least enthusiast one in fuzziness great card to see that we're going to have a 150 watt and a 300 watt card that are made for consumer because they're 12. What 12 volt input is exciting and something to get excited about. So that's good. That was like the really big leak this week. You know, I I'm more excited now than I was before because after I sold the Digi one, I was like, an entry level graphics card.
This kind of shows Okay, there might actually be something that we're going to be interested in.
Yeah, that's gonna be a very good performance level card. So and like I said, the 3d stacking technology i think is if it get it gets introduced with exi I think that would be a game changer for a lot of different reasons and You know going forward when it comes to GPU design so pretty excited for that as well. Another Intel leaked this week is a supposedly a future Mark system Info tab that shows the core i 710 700 k. This of course is Intel's upcoming 10th generation desktop processors. This is an eight core 16 thread parts, which does show that it will have a boost clock of 5.3 gigahertz a 3.8 stock clock so basically it's like a 9900 K and because it's the core i seven is we would guesstimate that it would be under $400. So whenever these supposed to come out, hopefully in April you can get you should be able to get eight core 16 thread 5.3 gigahertz, you know boost on this, basically 9900 K for under $400. If pricing remains, hopefully the same, you know, generation generation. Yeah.
So yeah, I'm, you know, in the notes are kind of got it coming up against the rising 730 hundred x. Yeah, obviously, faster speeds and probably better performance. That's the case.
Yeah, yes. I'd like having competition in the CPU space where Intel's kind of, you know, and then offering a value, right, because the, the, I'm the 9900 k isn't competitive at its price point, I would say, you know, so to have this at that price point, I think it'd be really competitive. verts is in the chat. What's up, Bert? I'm see. I'm excited. I think that this is much needed. And one thing that's interesting is that this is on an ECS z for 90 ECS hasn't had a high end Intel chipset board. So to see that they have one before it comes out is interesting. ec ECS might return to high end Intel board so something to look forward to there as well. And talking about 30% of the 3990 X the 64 core beast
$4 processor thousand
dollar processor came out when I was on vacation. Totally forgot about it actually. But it came out when I was on vacation and since has come out all of these records have been beat when it comes to overclocking. I don't even know if this one might have been beat yet. But this overclocking record was sets by safe. Wait, no, that's Yes, that was set by overclockers safe disk. He was able to push it to 5.5 gigahertz Which is insane Of course using L into and it was done on a Seuss's Zenith to a extreme alpha, which is an insane bored by itself just to say no imagine running. I mean I had a heart you know having a hard time running like a 9900 K or you know 30 you know any of the the rising processors like that high but or Matt you know, 64 cores running at that speed.
It's crazy and I always am so amazed at like the the hardware and the custom setups it takes to run stuff like that, you know? Yeah, liquid nitrogen stuff.
And then it's cool. The, the new cinebench are 20 world record was set with this as well by slave, which again, might have been beaten already since we posted this but he scored 39,000 518 in that which is insane,
I'd love to watch like a video of that it would have been rendering it just like sitting, I mean, just thinking of 64 tiles moving at once, right? You used to be like when, when we'd run cinebench. Like back in the day, you'd have one and then it just skinny because you got a single core. And then you're like, oh, I've got a dual core CPU, I can see two of them, that quad core, and now 64 or
even, even now, you know what, when I when I reviewed the, the eight core 16 thread parts, I'm like, holy crap, this is fast. I couldn't imagine how fast that would be just running. Like just that fast. So that's really cool. So there's so much with that processor right now. And that $4,000 I still don't think it's a bad deal.
No, because it's outperforming you know, like we've said and kind of covered previously, Intel Zeon dual Zeon Suddenly, the cost, you know, multiple times the amount so Yeah.
So that's, that's awesome for AMD. And another interesting tidbit from AMD, which could be massive, massive for the stock and the company in general, is that Apple could be looking into sourcing AMD CPUs for their products, specifically, MacBook MacBook Pro iMac. You know, when Apple made the move to x86, it's been all Intel. Intel has been there has been, you know, their number one supplier, which of course has made sense for years. But a couple things. One is that the new I forget what it's called. There, the AMT is eight core 16 thread mobile part that's been like everybody's talking about everybody's excited for it. That's going to be amazing part for, you know, for laptops, it's just as a core 16 thread. laptop low power, like it's, it's going to be awesome that in the fact that of course, Intel has supply issues they just do. And Apple is a massive, you know, they need massive amounts of processors for especially for their MacBook Pros and Mac books was probably the two best selling products. So I think that, you know, the reason why we This was found is that in a beta version of Mac OS, which is mac os 10 dot 15 dot four beta one. You see these? Uh, these things would says code names like mango. Raven runner. Yeah, right. Yeah. And then navvy and Picasso cos SAP you it's in the source code.
Yeah, man support.
Yeah, there. So obviously Apple has worked with AMD in the past their GPUs on their trash can. Was that the I throw the trash can. You can get it with two. I don't even know what, but GPUs with GPUs, I don't know. But I think that would cut what possibly could be happening is that you're still going to be able to get MacBook and MacBook Pro with Intel part like they're not making a complete switch. But just like Microsoft did with the surface which we talked about there was one surface skew that had an AMD part. We could see a MacBook Pro or a MacBook skew that had an AMD parts because it's it's viable right now, especially as you know, especially with the performance and with the supply chain issues that you're having. And as a total win for AMD because Apple would be a massive
customer for them. So trying to pick up some stock
Now that might be a time you know. So yeah, that's that's a big win for AMD this week. And then one other thing that I want to talk about, which was announced right before I left to go on vacation is that AMD did update their race the game bundle. Basically this is their game bundle that if you buy an AMD graphics card, select retailers pretty much like the big ones AMD Newegg you'll be able to get games which is pretty cool. And since we posted this, this has been updated because they left out the 5600 but the 5600 is in here.
So with it with a rx 5700 series cards, you will be able to get Monster Hunter world ice born master edition, which is the game plus the expansion Resident Evil three, and then three months of Xbox game pass and don't overlook this Xbox game pass. Oh, that's a good deal because it is Basically, like, you can play any game that's on game pass. You don't have to own the game. It's not a streaming service. It is like if you want to play this game, you can download it and play it as long as you're a member. So you get it for three months. That's basically three months of
I think there's over well over 100 games on there.
So you'll get those two games the 5700 series, the 5600 series I believe you get you don't get Resident Evil three you get a monster hunter and Tom Clancy, and you get the three months of game pass and then 5500 which is really they really loaded the 5500 out you get a Resident Evil free
Ghost Recon and Warcraft three reforged which is the remaster of Warcraft three which I've heard some bad things about. Yeah.
They've loaded it out, but you know, yeah, but
this just gives you you know, if I'm thinking about buying a car, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna get games with this so I have something to play right especially if you know you're you're saving up money to buy one of these cards and and you know you won't have money after it's like I have games to play so
so yeah so pretty cool I think it's good
it's like back in the day right buying a Nintendo and it coming up Mario Brothers and con or something right yeah it doesn't that doesn't happen anymore or if it does you're paying more for the bundle and with this
yeah yeah so like I said I don't know what it what's on the Nvidia side I know they have one as well when you buy their cards so it's just nice. Just getting some games you know what I mean? When you buy you caught some games when you bought that your Nvidia card
I did I don't even remember what it was.
But uh, talking about gaming and and
modern warfare and talking about modern warfare
because this has to do with it is that Just last week, or a few days ago, actually, Nvidia officially and not announced their g force now, which is a streaming service. So this is a streaming service that allows you to if I have a MacBook that has integrated graphics, as long as I have a good internet connection, I can stream any game that I want that I own. So like we play apex, I could use g force now to stream it so that I could play the game on any crappy device. It also works on Android and I believe iOS as well. And they officially it came out of beta and it's officially it's I think it's free right now and that gives you 60 minutes. I don't know if it's a week or a day for free. And then it's $5 a month for I don't know if it's unlimited, but those are the two tiers right now. And it's basically all the biggest games are on there and everything like that, but just announced that Activision Blizzard which is Activision and loser of the same company now, they pulled all their games off of the surface, which is kind of a big glow. Because if you think about it, yeah, that's
all of the Call of Duty games,
some big titles. That's all Blizzard games. So that's war to Warcraft as well as Overwatch. What's your to Hearthstone? Yeah Hurston like all of these, I mean, they're just the player base that's just in Blizzard games, as well as the massive player base that plays Call of Duty. All of those games won't be able to use g force now it is a huge blow to g force now I think because all of the Activision Blizzard games were there in beta. And the there's no there's been no reason why Activision Blizzard has pulled out of this only for the fact that I think that they might make their own streaming service where you can pay a fee to stream the games, right? That's the only thing I can think I'm just
not sold it on. Game streaming like I
never I have crappy internets.
I don't know, you know, I haven't experienced it in real life. So I can't I shouldn't like crap on it too much, but I just I don't know.
We'll see maybe Yeah. Good. Yeah. Or something.
Yeah, it's just never been great when the conditions are right. Like, they showed it at CES, I think two years ago and it played great. But to x, and that was only like, I mean, I played a game for a little bit. I wasn't in again, I wasn't playing like an Esports title. Like Apex was fast and like, how is that delay? Because it's,
it's those commands all the way there.
Yeah, we've heard all the issues with stadia which is Google's thing, which has been a shit show I least from everything that I've heard, as well. So I just think this is huge blow because That's a big player base that like oh yeah, like I can play Call of Duty at the office now on my crappy work computer. Oh wait, now I can't you know what I mean? So that's kind of a bummer for that but uh, the other interesting gaming news this week is that apparently Bioware is gonna try to do some type of reboot with anthem. anthem was one of the most highly anticipated games of 2019 the winning the event he three trailer which was insane, made it look like this is going to be the awesome game. The game that if you bought an RT x card, like a high end graphics card like it was the game to play. It had so many issues. There's actually we link the Kotaku article on everything that went wrong with the game. The game is just horrible. It's just another example of when you fake things and don't make them correct and rush the game. And all that's the deadline and you just release it because you've got to hit that deadline. I don't like that. So Bioware said that they're going to be kind of trying to re reboot it. They want a more satisfying loot experience better long term progression, more fulfilling end game. And they said that it's not something that can be done with a simple expansion or just an update. So they put out this blog post. Who knows? I mean, it already has, like once a game I feel like once a game has really bad karma, or really go just a really bad reputation. Even if they try to reboot it it just doesn't
have that ship sailed almost that's like a ruined you can't even use that name anymore because
yeah, and even with just like Warcraft three reforged like people were excited I was excited for and then you hear all the issues that it's had. Even these great franchise franchises that reboot games or you know remaster them have had crazy issues. And I think a game like this that has put a bad taste and so but and you know a lot of people's mouths and for the fact that if you read the Kotaku article about all the internal problems and how they treated employees at Bioware and all that kind of stuff like you don't want to give them your money anyways. So I don't know what they can do to make this game anything.
I don't think I'd try that maybe they might make it free to play which you saw that happen with a destiny. Maybe if it's three free to play, I might check it out. But besides that, I don't think I give them my money. I don't know what your your thoughts.
Yeah, no, I think that that trailer was like, was pretty awesome. And then yeah, just way too many issues and just almost dead on arrival. I felt like it just wasn't.
It wasn't a good game. It just was never Finish. It was like never finished. It was just not good. But yeah,
that is, uh, that's the news. I, I would love to see what anthem could have been I I was really excited for that promotion. Yeah, yeah,
it's just, I don't know what they can do to try to fix it. I just I really don't so. So yeah, coming up to what we have coming up next week, I'll be taking a look at the first CPU cooler that Coursera has released in eight years. It is the big a $500 Tower Big Boy. hundred dollar Eric or so I'm really excited for this because I think that when it comes to the big, I would say the big ass air coolers that are $100. We have Well, we just saw the coolermaster which I reviewed, which which actually performed really well. But we have like, you know, not not to a scythe, I guess the coolermaster we don't have a whole lot of players in this space. Cool. Again, first cooller from coolermaster. And I think it's a year coarser, or Yeah, of course, in a year, so I'm really excited to take a look at this. It has a lot of cool features that make it easy to install. And I think they've, you don't have a CPU cooler for that, you know, that long time, I think that you can really think about what makes a good air cooler and a bit if you have a bigger cooler, making it easy to install, making things easy for the user. So we'll see how that goes. So I'm excited to take a look at that. And then I'll also be taking a look at a keyboard which I'm going to try to lift up and hopefully doesn't disconnect.
This is mega through says too big. So that cooler does look huge, but that's pretty
pretty. It is it is big. That's another thing that I'm going to talk about is doesn't you know, we saw that coolermaster one which is big but it it serves its purpose. And I don't think that it's it's a good sign And it's $100 cooler. It's a good size so this one is really big. I'm not I haven't installed it yet so I'm not sure how much space it takes up. But if it is too big I'll definitely make sure to put that in our view because we have seen ones I forget the one set when I did was like the entire length of them
so yeah, so
yeah, I'll be taking on this keyboard which I've been holding up this is the the glorious PC gaming race gmk. They have three versions of this. This is the 10 keyless, which is my favorite form factor. Cherry MX switches. One thing that's interesting about this one, you have aluminum top plate you have I can't really show it because you can see the you probably won't see it but the the Escape key says send like your you know, so here's
what's red, right?
Yeah, it's red. The you cannot obviously remove the key caps but you can remove the switches in this too. So you can pull the switches Put in your own switches, which I think is really cool. You don't see that on a lot of keyboards in this price range removable. Micro USB which I think anything 10 kilos or smaller should have removable USB on it's very sturdy RGB backlit on bring it up so you guys can see it on their websites. But yeah, it's just as you know, again, for $109 for having removable switches, is I think it's a big deal because you don't see that in this price range. And you might think like, I'm not going to replace any switches, but if you do want to replace like Wi Fi switches with maybe a different switch or any something different that you want to get different feel for you can get different switches that you can actually pull the switch and install your own different switch. Obviously you're not going to replace all the switches but if you know maybe like your function row or something you know you're one through four keys you know your
instructor Different feel and some of them but yeah, I want to replace the whole board.
Yeah, it does have software. It's it's a little iffy. Right? Yeah,
RGB lighting, perky, everything like that. So it's a nice little keyboard. So I'm excited to show you guys that as well. And let's see here. So one thing I talked to you about which you heard that as excited as I was, so when I was on a, I was on vacation. You're sitting in the hotel room, and this thing came on. I'm like, I love alien stuff, whatever it is, like
aliens. Yeah. I'm an alien guy. And the show was on the History Channel called Project Blue Book. It's about obviously Project Blue Book in the 1950s.
And I watched one episode and I really, really liked it. So I went back and I started watching it and I really like it. So if you're into aliens and things like that, it's On the History Channel, I believe you can stream a couple of episodes as well. But it is like I said, it's just a it's a cool show. Um, the one of the main characters, he's in Peaky Blinders, which if you haven't seen that show, that's amazing. But yeah, it's it's on its second season. I'm watching through the first season. Now, if you're into aliens, it's worth checking out. It's pretty cool. So any anything on your end as far as
I mean, I finished the Mandalorian. So,
nothing, all of that.
So that was good. No, I really just kind of want to highlight again, being on home gadget geeks tomorrow night.
Yeah, what time? Eight o'clock central
is when they typically start so we'll be late. It's like, it's like, yeah, so we'll be on there with Jim and Mike. Kind of going to cover some of our CS content, a couple of those topics and just kind of chat with them and you know, they did a lot of obviously, it's called home gadget geeks so they do a lot of smart home stuff. Storage PC automation all sorts of stuff like that so we kind of bring in a little bit of the PC hardware enthusiast yeah so it'll be good well I haven't been I haven't used
in a guest on another podcast for like two years
and they use stream yard right that's where we got to be a four should be a four window stream yard conversation tomorrow night so yeah, definitely check that out. If you got the availability they usually have a pretty good crowd and
we make sure to put it out on our social media. So so you guys can see you know, get over there and check it out as well. Anything else? I
i've been? I've been so excited to get back I have so many awesome products here. Some that I can't tell you about yet, but I'm really excited for a lot of our upcoming content. Are you are you a gaming tonight?
So yeah, Ryan will be on Twitch. Our twitch channel. You guys can jump over to after this. That's twitch TV forward slash thing computers
What are you what are you? Are you playing Apex? I'll probably start with apex. Yes So I will see let you know
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