ThinkComputers Podcast #190
3:10PM Sep 4, 2019
Welcome to the thing computers weekly tech podcast. This is Episode 190. And this episode is brought to you by Amazon if you go to think computers.org forward slash Amazon and having to purchase something that gives us a little kickback and helps the podcast keep on going with me is my co host Eric, what's up there? What's up? What's going on everybody?
It's a What is
this Tuesday right after the holiday? Was it Labor Day? It was observed holidays, so I don't really never, I'd never know what's going on. But I guess it was a long weekend for most people. It was it you know, it means it's like the end of summer, I guess.
I mean, technically not.
For most people, though, like kinda Yeah, like all the kids I think are back to school now. I think technically every summer doesn't end for a little while here.
Yeah, yeah. But like, I mean, if you think about it, it's like getting into you know, September October. For us. That means like, a lot of new products, which is kind of exciting. So yeah, that's something to definitely look forward to. But let's just jump into our reviews this week. And Starting things off, we have a another x 570 motherboard. And this one comes from a sous and it's their prime x 570. Pro. Their prime line is basically like there has everything you need without everything that you don't need or want. It's just a good overall board. As far as like x 570 features you're getting PCI Express four point no dual PCI Express four point o m dot two slots. One has the integrated heatsink, the other does not. You're getting USB 3.2 Gen two, it's just a good board. You know, the prime series is basically a board for everybody when you know Strix and ROG is more gamer focused and things like that. Whereas like, I always call the prime series, like what you need to get going or like, if you're a first time builder, like I really suggest this series, because it's not crazy overpriced, and it gives you everything that you need. And a lot of times, especially the six boards are based off the same, like PCB layout as this. So you're essentially getting the same features. And like, you might not get one feature that's on the strict sport, but you're paying a lot less. So.
Yeah, it's, it's kind of there. It's a it's their basic, you don't want to really say entry level, but it's like their basic line. But that doesn't mean that like you're not getting the full features. And it's always been that way. They haven't always called it the prime line. But they've I think it was the deluxe line before. And then it was like there was things.
Yeah, I think they call it like a like I remember reviewing like a z 97. A board, which is essentially the same thing as this. You know, that might have been called Deluxe line at the time, I don't remember. But yeah, like in a lot of times, especially now, as we you know, continue along through different chipsets, a lot of features that were on our OG boards have made their way down to the esports, which is nice to see like, this has the integrated IO shield, which may not seem like a big deal. But if you do a lot of installs, like I do, in cases, like having the shield as part of the mother, like is just saves you time and hassle and cutting your fingers.
It's not a big deal until it is a big deal. And that's when you forget to install it.
Yeah, yeah. Or when you forget to install it, which when you're completely done with a build, and then you're like, Oh
crap, and then you like you like consider every time not installing it. But that's really not an option. So yeah, where do
you end up losing it? Yeah, there's a lot of times where I've like lost them. I'm like, Where is it? Like, I know, yeah.
Better. It looks better with those new fields too. So
yeah, it's like a nice yard. It's not just like plain street like I got it. What is that aluminum steel, I think it's crappy steel. probably still, it has like a nice little cover on it that makes it look nice and makes a match with the rest of the board. You do get an IO cover as well with RGB lighting the RGB lighting on this board isn't anything to write home about. And actually like that for like, you know, ROG is like, RGB in your face and all this crazy stuff. This is like more like I like more chill, like more black. Yeah, more. Yeah, more adult like, which I like to it's just a good overall board. The only thing I would say that's missing there might be missing on this board is Wi Fi. Most of us plug in, I think all of us plug in. But other boards that are, you know, 20 to $30 more expensive. did come with Wi Fi six. So that's something that you're not going to get with this board. And the only other thing, which I think you might have an issue with this, because you're big on security is that when you install Windows, it will automatically ask you to download armory crate, which is like their campaign software that downloads all the drivers and everything I get automatically does it you can opt out. You can opt out in the BIOS, but it's it's not hidden in the BIOS, but it's definitely like, yeah, yeah. Which I think for me, like, it doesn't bother me. But I think it's good for beginners, because, you know, I'm used to, you know, going downloading all the drivers downloading all the utilities like I'm used to doing that. But for a beginner, they have this piece of software that does everything for them.
Yeah, I mean, that's sort of nice, because it makes it immediately available. Like we used to use the bus out the install CD, you know, like the years ago? Yeah, but uh, I almost wonder if they should have included an install USB now instead.
But I've wondered why we haven't made it to that point, because this comes with a CD. But I mean, who's who was using CD drive,
it's got to be more expensive to like, get a CD written then, at this point, then to buy a super cheap USB, because those things are a dime a dozen now.
Yeah. So I'm not I still don't know why we haven't moved in that direction yet. Right. It should be a thing by now. I think they're just gonna end up doing it with this. So like, you know, when you connect to the internet, it's going to download that. Yeah.
It's kind of presumption was a bit a little presumptuous that you have the internet, though. Because that's not always an option. When you're up for a lot. It's a lot. For a lot of first time builders, especially like me, you might not have internet available where you're at? Yeah, so yeah. I mean, I suppose you it's gonna work without it. So I guess that's not a huge deal. Windows is Yeah,
it's just like, I I yeah, I think like for some people, they might think that is like, I don't know, encroaching on the right, sir. Well, you
just don't know yet. No, I know. You mean, I'm on that in that same line, usually in that same line of thought, in that I don't like give me the Give me the choice. And I want to choose what I want to choose. And I don't want to be forced to do anything. So
yeah. And the other thing is that the companion software armory suite is great. It's new, it has or a sink for RGB built into it. And a couple other things. But still, for like overclocking, and system tuning and fan tuning, you have AI suite three, which has been out since a least 2014. I look back in my reviews to figure out when that came out. It's the same software. So it's a little dated, especially for a sous I would hope that maybe armory crate becomes like the entire package. I don't know if they're working towards that. That's the only other thing I could really say bad about this sport. But overall, like the board hardware wise, it's great. It's going to have everything that you want. It only has six setup ports, which again, with with the rise of MMO to I don't think it's a big deal. But the chipset does support eight, so you only get you're only getting six. But again, I really don't like again for like, it's not super entry level, it's still 250 bucks for this book, which isn't cheap, but the sex 570 now you gotta, you know, urge to 39 initially launched it to 50. So yeah, so I think like, if you want Wi Fi, there are other boards out there. But if you're looking for a good solid board, this is it. And I bet you know the results are pretty much the same. As far as testing, overclocking was pretty much the same as all of our other x 570 boards as well. overclocking on rising 3000 series isn't great either, which we'll get into later podcast. So like I said, it's a good board, if you know, the prime series, you know, these boards. And like I said, I really recommend these boards for a lot of first time buyers because ROG boards or even, I mean any of the other lines, the gaming lines, enthusiast lines from other companies are far more expensive, and they have a lot of features you just won't use. So just keep that in mind. And again, you can put that money you save towards better components, RGB memory, m dot two drives, things like that. So
So yeah, so and then our other two reviews this week, we'll we'll talk about them really quickly. And then we'll have Ryan tell you about them because they're his reviews, he first reviewed a mini PC from a zoo. And it's their bite three, it's basically a fan lyst Mini PC. Basically like either somebody who's doing, I guess you would say not that much in depth tasks like web browsing, just like a family computer, this could be used that or it could be used for a streaming machine that's a lot more powerful than say like a streaming stick where you could you know, do some like gaming on it, you can do some other stuff. It's just you know, you can do a lot more than say you could with a streaming stick. So he has that for us. And then he also has the MXL APS podcasting bundle. And the bundle is actually great. If you're looking to get into podcasting or even streaming, it comes with everything, you need to basically record professional audio, you get the mic, you get a mic on, and you get an XLR to USB adapter. So you don't need a which I use is a USB or deck. Yeah, like a DAC like I use a DAC. But you don't even need that it comes with like a little adapter. And Ryan had told me, which I'm sure he'll tell you when we switch over to him. But he told me this is the best mic out of all the mics that he's reviewed. And he's reviewed a handful so far this year. So you really enjoyed this, Mike, the bundle was a little expensive, but I think the quality of the mic like he said, and the arm that you get and everything, he said it's worth of money. So definitely check those reviews out. And we'll go over to Ryan, and I'll tell you a little bit more about them.
So the bike free from Israel is a fabulous mini desktop PC. It's really small compact computer as the name implies. And it's kind of designed for some basic computing needs nothing so
hardcore, no hardcore gaming, no really intense content creation but just basic day to day tasks, things like surfing web, checking email, doing some office tasks, like word processing, spreadsheets, things like that. And there's multiple specification options for the byte three, and those are available on as website. There's some drop down so that you can kind of configure your system however you'd like it with the options available. And the review sample we got included a Intel Apollo HJ 3455, that's a quad core processor there. It's only a 10 watt part. And like the name implies, it is a fabulous system. So there's only passive cooling used on the system.
So you're not going to get any system noise from this, which is actually a really nice feature of the byte three, you have some operating system options. Our test system came with Windows 10 Pro, you have some ram specification, ns available hours was configured with four gigabytes. And for storage, we had 32 gigs of EMMC flash. There's also dual band 2.4, and five gigahertz wireless, Intel integrated graphics. Those are the HD 500 that are built into that processor. gig gigabyte or I'm sorry, Gigabit Ethernet is available. There's Bluetooth, HDMI, VGA, the HDMI is actually capable of 4k 60 FPS. And we got a couple USB three ports USB to a single type C port, which is nice. Also an SD card slot. And then there's also a MQ slot. It's a 2280 sized, it is sad only so no envy me here. And then also room for a two and a half inch drive in there as well. So you've actually got some nice storage expansion options, which is actually pretty nice. Because one thing I did run into when utilizing the system is that 32 gigabytes of system storage gets filled up pretty quickly, you get windows loaded on there, get some updates ran in a couple applications, and you don't have room for a whole lot of applications. So I definitely recommend looking into some additional storage for this system, if you go with the 32 gig size, or the 64 gig option is there, which is going to give you a little more breathing room. But either way, you'll definitely probably end up looking to add some additional storage to the system. There's also a three and a half millimeter audio jack. And really the system's pretty nice, it's got some nice packaging, the design of it is really nice as well is not a company that I had any familiarity with. So when this showed up, I didn't actually know what to expect. But I was really surprised and pleasantly surprised at the the build quality of the system. It also came with a infrared remote control with some basic country roles available on it so you can control the system with it. And I'll kind of talk about the remote a little more in just a second. So there is an IR receiver on the front of the system as well. The bottom unscrewed and gives you access to the internals of the system, you've got the data and power already wired in for you. So you just need to slap a drive in there if you'd like. And then the remote that comes with the system, like I said is is you know pretty basic, it's got some navigation, a home button, it'll power the system on give you some very basic commands, but as well also makes their link multifunction remote control. And that the thing is really nice.
They shipped it with the system. And it's a two sided remote. That on the top side has some very basic again, navigation, you know your but it does offer mouse functionality, it's got a left and right mouse button to it a Windows button you can utilize, you can turn it to infrared mode to control your devices outside of the system. So things like a TV, stereo receiver sound bar, things like that, it also has a button to pull up an on screen keyboard. But on the backside of the remote is a full QWERTY keyboard. So you can actually log into the system do some basic typing with this remote as well. It is illuminated, which is really nice. So if you're you know watching a movie or using the system in the dark, press a button on the side of the remote and the buttons have a blue glow to them. And the remote is smart enough to know which side is facing up. So if you have the front facing up, only the front side lights up, you flip the remote over and hit the light button and it lights up the other side which I thought was really cool. This also functions as kind of a gyroscope pic mouse. So you can use the left and right mouse buttons, but you kind of use it like a remote to control the mouse cursor. So I thought that was really nice, and was a cool addition to this review. So definitely check that out. I went over some of the specifications of the system here we did some just general overall system testing, nothing to write home about, we ran it through PC Mark pass Mark sent a bench did some testing of the storage with crystal disk Mark even ran 3d mark on it. Like I said, you're not going to be doing any hardcore gaming on this maybe some basic browser based games, maybe some flash games, things like that. But you're not going to be playing the latest and greatest triple A titles by any means. However, this system did work pretty well. With 4k content and HD content, we played some locally stored content from the system itself and then also streamed some 4k content from our Plex server here on the network, both wired and wireless connections and had no issues at all the content was nice and smooth. No hiccupping or anything like that. So I was actually really pleasantly surprised at the power that this system was able to give us. So definitely a cool little system.
Again, doesn't take up a whole lot of power 10 one processor in there doesn't put out any noise because there's no fan to the system. It's solid state storage, so you're not going to get any disk sounds there. So definitely check it out. Kind of a cool little media player, small PC, you know, maybe going to kitchen or in a little office nook somewhere all sorts of options for this thing. And the actual the link remote that they sent along with it to check out was pretty cool to the remote itself, I believe is a $30 part, which you can find out on Amazon. Yeah $30. And the system is we had it configured from as well was $240. So go ahead and take it Look at that. Also take a look at the MXLAPS podcasting bundle. This is a product that's designed to get you into podcasting obviously as the name implies, and it comes with a microphone, a microphone arm and stand and an audio interface to go from XLR to USB. Now the microphone will start off with here is a cardio aid style microphone. And it is really pretty basic. There are no dials, no volume knobs, no gain settings on the microphone itself, just a basic solid metal body. Very, very robust. The microphones pretty heavy, very solid, very good quality build, and just a single XLR connection on the bottom of the microphone. There's also a microphone pop filter that can be added or removed to the microphone and we are actually recording this audio clip right here on the whole APS bundle. So we've got the microphone and use as well as the audio interface included with the microphone is an adapter to attach it to the included stand with the kit and the microphone arm. The really nice thing about the microphone arm is that it comes with an XLR cable already ran through the body of the arm. And I say that's a plus but it's also maybe a negative if you have a certain brand or type of XLR cable that you like to use, you're going to have to essentially cut this cable out and pull it through the body if you don't want to utilize this cable and now we didn't have any issues with this cable. It seems to be a decent quality and it's got a good amount of length to it as well. So it's really pretty versatile. But if you have a preference for a different type of cable, that's something to note there but really this is designed for the beginner. So having that cable ran through the arm itself is a really nice feature you don't have to worry about attaching the cable to the arm itself with velcro or zip ties or something and then it getting in the way or you know pinched in the hinge there. Everything is ran through the arm nicely. Speaking of the arm it's it's a pretty standard microphone arm. It utilizes springs for its tension there so has appt down rotation, all everything you would expect in a pretty standard microphone arm there's a couple thumbscrews to adjust the tightness and keep things in place once you get it configured how you'd like. And then last but not least, we have the audio interface that goes from the XLR cable to USB so that you can plug this into your computer. It's kind of I don't want to call it a handheld because you're not going to hold it in your hand. But the mic mate Pro has a game knob and a headphone listening volume as well. So there's a couple connections on the mic mate pro towards the top you have your XLR connection that connects to your microphone cable. And then at the bottom you have a USB connection as well as a headphone jack. So if you want to listen to that audio coming straight from the microphone, you plug your headphones in there and then you can control the volume there with the volume knob. The USB power also provides the 48 volt phantom power for the XLR microphone. So you don't have any external power, you just have the single USB cable which provides power and audio for the system. I've really been impressed with the sound quality of this kit. Now I've reviewed a couple of microphones recently. And they are definitely an improvement over what you find in a typical headset microphone, a gaming headset microphone. Those headsets, mics just can't produce all the lows and the clarity that you'll get from a standalone microphone.
This this microphone here, though, has really been impressive. And I'm really happy to have reviewed it, I think it produces some really good sounds. So definitely check this kid out. If you're looking to maybe get into some podcasting or game streaming, this has everything you need to get started. It does have a retail price of right around $300. But by the time you've added in a pretty decent microphone and audio interface to go from your PC to the microphone, and your cabling and the arm, you're probably going to be pretty close to that. And these are all paired together to work seamlessly with each other, really recommend it, we gave it an eight out of 10. So go ahead and check out the MXLAPS podcasting bundle if it's up your alley.
All right, and over to our video this week, and I did a video on the review that we published last week, which was the the MSI RXPD 700 XT evoke OC, basically one of the most hype, you know, 5700 XTS out there so far. It's good card, it's a it's a little loud, but I did a video on it to kind of give you like I said, a lot of people enjoy video content. So we put the video out there, it has all the graphs, it has everything which takes takes me forever to make for graphs for video take forever. But yeah, that's all in there. So if you want a closer look at that graphics card, definitely check out that video. And then we go to K smart Friday. And we're back to our friends at GGF. And they have a really cool build in what's interesting about this build is that most of the components are like you can just buy. So the case that this is a, I guess would cause a test bench. But it's like, I would call it more of a display bench because it's I don't see people buying this to be a test bench. You're not sweating anything out of this one. Yeah, so this is by I don't know how to say their name properly, I should have looked it up before we start the podcast, I think it's a bit ski
bit spicy, ski bite ski bit ski. They make water cooling components, they become a lot more popular. And they have cases or this display bench like this, which is pretty awesome. We don't see a whole lot of stuff like this. So they're doing a lot of really cool stuff. And this is their Cobra navigator, which by itself is such a cool such a cool kid like such a cool test bench. But GGF in their typical style has kind of outfitted this with water cooling. And bizkey actually makes the the reservoir channel thing that he's using. They make that specifically for this. So you could basically buy. I mean, in any build, you can pretty much buy everything that that you like, this is specifically made for that, which is really
yeah, we're starting to see a lot of these rise panels. Right there. Yeah, they're starting to pop out for, for a lot of specifically for like an individual case, they're making these so that's, that's really interesting that we're getting that specific and that like I guess the cases are carrying that many sales. Because these things aren't, they're really not usable in any other format other than the case that they're made for. So it's kind of cool.
Yeah, yeah, in the the that breast channel is also made by bizkey. So they've made it specifically for this great display bench, something that you would like one at a show. Again, I don't know how practical it would be for like an actual test bench. But I like that they're kind of going I mean, just the bench itself is beautiful. It's
really just an open air case. Like win against what it comes down to. Because as it like the term test bench, like you know, that implies the the open air case that you are swapping parts on in and out of to test so you're not doing that with something like this, that's for sure.
Yeah, yeah. So really cool bill, typical GGF style. And I mean, he didn't have to do all that much to make this great because it's I mean, the case itself is showpiece. So So yeah, definitely check that build out. And he he has a video as well, which, which is in our post. So definitely check all of that out. And we'll move on to news. And the first thing which we actually talked about way back at Computex time, and we weren't sure if they were actually become a thing but uh, ass rock tight. chichi graphics cards are going to be a thing. Some renderers I guess the renderers I don't think they're actual photos. I'm pretty sure that renders
pretty good at the renders. Yeah,
yeah, no, I think their photos. So photos of the tai chi RXD 700 XT has leaked and I like it. I like the clockwork design on the on the back plate. For a first gen of like, Tai Chi graphics card. It's great. Where you're not going to see techy graphics card on the Nvidia side because they're not Nvidia partner. But I like it. I think Tai Chi has always at least in the motherboards correct, like provided great value at a good price. And like all the features that you want, and I think this card, it looks great. It should have it's called the tai chi OC. So it should have a slight overclock on it's the center fan on the it's a three fan cooler, the center fan has RGB lights are routed on actually in the fan, which I think is interesting.
That's fine. It's odd that they left them out of the other two fans, though. I think yeah, it's been a little long, it's gonna come balanced and build but that's okay.
The The other interesting thing about this card is that most cards like Nvidia or empty have three display port and one HDMI, that's like standard, but this card has four display port into HDMI, which means like they might be targeting either people who wants to run multiple displays, or br gamers. So that's, that's interesting, I think. I mean, at least you're getting more value out of this. If that's what more is better than mine. You're gonna. Yeah, the card is slightly bigger than two slots. It looks about 2.5 slot card. Yeah, pretty big car, but I think it looks good. And I would hope that it's priced accordingly. Not a crazy bump over the reference design. We don't know yet. It should be out soon. But I think it looks good. I would want one of these in my system.
I know we mentioned that it's cold ish colored.
Yeah, so the the shroud that's around the three fan of cooling sleep. Sort of like the edges are like the gold, the gold we we've seen for the 50th anniversary of AMD. And then there's like an inner part that's black. And then the two outside fans are black. And I think they're like 19 millimeters. And then the center fan is clear. And it's smaller, probably at I'm guessing. Yeah.
Yeah, it probably does a really good job of cooling. It is a massive, he sank on there. So
yeah, it's a big heat thing. So. So yeah, so And like I said, I do like the clockwork design. It's just like, it's always been cool on their stuff. So yeah, so check out the pictures it. We don't know what's going to come out. But when it does, we'll definitely let you guys know. And talking about it and an oops or a mess up. asis was listing the specifications for their new prime x 299 additional 30 motherboard. That's our high end desktop motherboard. And they accidentally put in a core i 910 thousand series X series CPU. We've heard about these. There's been rumors about them, but nothing from Intel, obviously. But the big thing with this is they listed as a as giving you 48 lanes, as opposed to 44 lanes, will we that was the highest that we got on the last high end desktop processors from Intel. So you are getting four more links, which is a good thing.
Always Yeah. Especially in desktop. Inner. Yeah, obviously. Still PCI Express 3.0. So yeah, slow lanes. But they are
relatively relatively compared to four point. Yeah,
it's like, it's like a Los Angeles freeway without the express lane. So yeah, you know, it's it's big. It's quiet, but not very fast moving.
So yeah, Anna, it's a it will be it's going to be interesting to see what Intel does with the science club, because we're going to be talking about it just here in a second. what AMD is doing. And I think that's a I don't know if I agree with this. So it looks like for high end desktop, you know, we've seen rising 3000 series. And we've seen there. There's their server class stuff. And we've been waiting for thread rubber. It was delayed. We were supposed to see it. We haven't seen thread rapper yet. But it looks like there's going to be three chipsets for thread rappers. So you'll have you'll have a TRX 40 ATRX 80 and a WRX. At now one, I like to say thank you for not confusing us anymore. With the same names as Intel.
which is good. Yes. Now, the big interesting thing about this is OTRX 40 and TRX. At the TRX 40 is like more of a consumer makeup CROSON report. Yeah, it's sort of like a pro surfer thing. So one, you're going to get four channel memory, not eight channel memory.
On that makes a lot of people.
Yeah. And it's only going to support processors up to 32 cores,
which also makes sense for a lot of people.
Yeah, and you'll get 64 lanes, but PCI Express Plus 16. And this is again going to compare their they say it's going to compare to the Intel x 299.
And then better.
Well, yeah, it's like certain tissues. But like, as
far as hitting, that's who they're targeting with that.
Yeah, so that's, that's who they're targeting with that one. Now TRXADNWRX at will give you you'll be able to run like the the suppose at 64 core thread rep program processors that will be coming out, you're going to get eight channel memory. And you're going to get more than 64 lanes with PCI Express. And this is going to compete with like Intel see 621 that that's like that, that massive a spore that we saw, yeah, CS. Now, we don't know. They they pay TRX 40 and TRXAD is high end desktop, where they pay WRXADS workstation. We don't know what's going to make something a car like what the real difference between TRXAD and WRX at people are saying that TRXAD will be like your typical high end desktop boards from like a Seuss and all of that. Whereas w RXAT is like full workstation, like the SSI form factor. Like I don't
think you can do a dual socket thread repair though. Can you?
Yeah, I don't know. And I honestly don't understand
why they're doing this. It's sort of like when Intel came out with their multiple high end desktop like, regions. Yeah, like we were we were just as baffled then. Like,
in like, I just don't understand besides people who are like, like crazy over clockers for like event? Yeah. And like you some YouTubers have got like those 621 ports, like who is using those? Because you're better suited in a workstation environment to use like a dual CPUs Eon actually works rice. Yeah, so like, I just don't, I just I just don't see as far as like sales, like why they're doing it again. Maybe they're doing it to say, okay, you know, you're looking at the C 621. Like, we have this or something? I don't know.
I just I more of a brand. Like, than like an actual like part they want to sell?
I don't know, interesting.
It's going to be really curious to see the parts and like, what the parts won't work with one. But the work with the other is
release, you know, if they do release the 64 core CPU a thread Ripper part? It's not going to work on TRX for No, but
it will work on it. But then what? What do you need? What features could could the workstation or possibly have?
Well, instead of four channel memory and as a channel memory,
sort of staring at?
Yeah, that's what I mean. So like, I don't understand that they're going to say the antibiotics at I don't know. It's just confusing.
I just don't see what I can give it that wouldn't be available on their their Tara at if all the things listed. I don't what things exist that are not listed that they would put on a workstation board. Yeah, different memory. Of what yeah, it could be you know, you can use you can use server memory. Probably for sure. Right.
Yeah. Are you? I don't know. You would think you would you would be able to use
Hamas wanna say you'd be able to use that on their terror sad to just I mean, I will see, I guess.
Yeah, I think we'll see. I will see what the big differences between the chipsets. I think the big difference obviously is TRX 40 verse TR looks at processor compatibility as well as a memory and the lane. So you're going to get more lanes with trs 80 and Toby RX at vs. Trs 40.
Yeah. And I agree with that, actually, although the line between the high end x 570 parts, and what will be the 10 x 40 parts is going to be fairly close as far as like, truly as a home user, like, not as a professional. Whether you actually need that step up to the threat over part is going to be like, kind of questionable. But I do see the like it's a big in the end, like a lot of people for cost savings and stuff for Channel memory is just fine. You don't you don't need that much for what you're doing. And you're just leaving open slots anyway, stuff like that. So I see. I see there being a point to that part. It's just the and the lane and the lanes is a bit. Yeah, the lanes helped. Yeah.
Yeah. So we'll see. It's interesting. I just thank MD for naming it something.
Yeah. Almost got this already.
Yeah, I know. It's Iraq's it's like you don't
sit a 40. Is it an idea or is it the World Rally version?
I know that WC Yeah. So I'm talking about AMD and rising processors. We talked about it on the last podcast about silicon lottery, saying that only a certain amount, which was I think 6% would hit will be able to be overclocked in in hit their speeds.
And was to hit a 4.5. That was it was beyond their their stock clock. It was two is all cores at 4.5, I believe.
Yes. And now the Bauer which you should know if you don't he's a very famous overclock very
reliable source of information to
Yes. And I he's put out a video going over rising processors and what they're actually able to hit with their boost clock. And you know, MD doesn't make it known what you need to actually hit the boost clock in. In all honesty, like before, all processors would always hit their boost clock, they would always boost up
to what isn't advertised speed, right?
Yeah, it's an advertised speed, but always do it. Now, technically, these processors will hit that boost clock, but it's only at certain, you gotta have the breath, you know, good cooling like it. So really, it's really weird. And key found out that not many of these processes are actually hitting their advertise speeds, especially the rise of 930 900 X. It only hits us advertising boost speeds 5.6% of the time, and I can actually vouch for that, because in our testing, it only hits around 4.15 4.2. And most of our testing putting full load on evidence. Yeah, that's what the hundred dollar a like not a EIO. But $100 air cooler like an aqua, which is about the same as $100 AO.
yeah, yeah. And then he found out like the rising 530 600, hidden about half of the time. And I think you pointed this out, you might have I believe you said it, a few podcasts goes like MD put so much into these, like they they cram as much performance out of these is like you can't get much more. Right, right? Like not not that you're not I'm not talking about overclocking, but even boosting on a few cores. Like, it's just it's a lot for that processor, I
well, there's so many. Yeah, there's so many cores in such a small piece of silicon. Like, there's only so much energy, you can run through it through silicon right now. Right? We're really running out the limit of what silicon can do. So, yeah, you're only going to get so much out of it. Because you're here, they've amped up the core count, you know?
Yeah. So yeah, so I guess, like I said, I mean, for most people, it's not a massive deal. But I think that, you know, when you're paying for process, I think 3900 X is 4.4, that it should boost to like you, you'd want it to boost that. And we're going to talk about it here in a second. But I mean, this could be like a lawsuit. That was my, that was my thought. Yeah. Like, that just brings us to our next story, which AMD finally settled on their lawsuit from 2015. Over there, those are core count that old class action lawsuit. So they advertise build their bulldozer CPUs as a true eight core CPU when in fact, it wasn't. So they agreed on a class action settlement of $12.1 million, or $35 per chips sold. So you can sign up for it to be part of the class, you have to have bought the eight core. And you have to be in the US. Okay, to be part of the class, but if you do, you can sign up and $35
it's just like the just like the 970 debacle. 35 bucks. Yeah,
it's the same thing. And like I said, I mean, with these rising 3000 series parts, not hitting their advertised speeds. I mean, people make a big deal over a lot of things. So I mean, this could be one of people like,
get what they pay for. They really don't like being lied to. So, yes, that's kind of that. Yeah, yeah, I think that AMD is kind of setting themselves up here, especially with the way that they've shifted their pricing with the boards and the parts are getting more expensive. You're not going to get like the benefit. I mean it as a company, you're rarely going to get the benefit of the doubt as it is. And now like you're they're kind of turning themselves into a kind of getting a little greedier and so people are going to be even less willing to like, forgive something like this doesn't actually boost, you know.
Yeah, and I think the thing is, too, is like, yeah, like, you're right, like, the boards are more expensive, like the platform in general is more expensive. And when it's not doing what it should be doing. It's Yeah, it's it is people aren't gonna be happy.
So yeah, I'm having to file lawsuits. That's so HCA.
Yeah, yeah, they do. And they they have ways that I mean, we've seen that we've seen two instances in the last two podcasts where, like, companies have said that these processes don't do what they're
technically supposed to do. Yeah. And they'll be able to argue, Well, sure they do. If you provide the correct coin, so then it'll be a matter of like, was that demonstrated to the customer that they had to have specific cooling? And, I mean, maybe they'll be able to because they've, they've told us all along, since they launched, rising that it does certain things with certain cooling under certain conditions, and otherwise it won't, that's kind of that's actually been a major feature that us major selling features, the way that it boosts. So. I mean, maybe they'll get up, maybe they'll be able to argue that in court. But the bottom line is that, regardless of whether they have to pay out cash for this, they're they're hurting their reputation. And that's something they can't really afford to do, I don't think
Yeah, and it's, it's interesting, because there was like the hype machine of rising 3000 3000. And like, honestly, we run the hype machine like x 517. motherboards are awesome, in my opinion, PCI Express 4.0. Awesome. The processors for the price are great value, I think, gether, even if it's not specifically boosting, you don't mean, especially compared to current gen Intel parts. And everything. Like I think it's it, it's a good value for what you're getting. But now all these stories coming out in like, not not necessary, it seemed like the truth is coming out, but like, the actual Yeah, the actual Is that true? Like, yeah, like, you know, are coming out now, since all of these processes are in the wild now, and we're seeing everything. So it's interesting, and I think we'll see what, you know, what transpires over the next, you know, three to six months with people finding all this stuff out and everything like that. So
they, I mean, they already they didn't pull away kind of how horizon three didn't really pull awake, how we figured it would as far as performance is concerned, especially per core. I mean, the last record, right, it's not, it's not Oh,
yeah. When it comes to gaming, when it comes to gaming, it's still beat now by Intel. Just Yeah, now they've made strides to make things better. And we, if you look at a 2700 x compared to a 37 hundred x, there's a different I mean, there's a difference in single core performance there is.
So it just kind of, I think there's just shattered the illusion that, that AMD is on to like that they've they kind of had presented as reinventing the wheel, especially for themselves, and that they were on this new thing, and that Intel couldn't touch them. And then it was something different. And then I think that the way that they couldn't take the the PR course, you know the ICC speed. It's kind of like broken that illusion that they've been presenting as something new. And it's like, oh, this is kind of the same old, same all. They've just done a better job of it.
And the thing is, you have to realize too, is like this is the third Gen of rising like, obviously, you had that massive IPC increase over what bulldoze her. Right? You know, so
yeah, but it didn't take much.
To Oh, yeah, that's what I'm yeah, it didn't take much to do that. So. So yeah, like I said, we'll see how it goes over the next. Like I said, three to six months and how the reputation I guess of AMV and of rice and processors go and everything like that. And like I said, we do know Intel should be coming out with a 10 core part soon.
Yes. 40. plus, plus, plus, plus plus,
yes, the multiple buses. So yeah, so also this past week, Leah Lee announced a new version of their Oh 11 dynamic. If you don't know what case it is, it's probably one of the most popular cases of last year. It's just a great case to show off hardware. Great case to do water cooling build. And they announced a new XLROG version. It's bigger. It's it's ROG certified. It's which is an awesome case. Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, that
the ladies work with it.
Yeah. But it's just an awesome case. Bigger means especially for this case, like bigger means more, like more crazy waterfall, morale space, mostly. Yeah. All that stuff. It's just like I want Yeah, it's just a great case to show off hardware. We saw it in so many builds. Last year for case on Friday. We saw it in so many builds at CES. We've seen it and just everybody's using this case, because it's just that good. And it's engineered. Right. It's just just awesome. Just an awesome case.
Yeah, they, they definitely. I mean, they were just talking about your power. They work with your bauuer. So like, they've definitely talked to the right people when it comes to what this case needs. And they've been they've I think they've delivered well with that. The only thing I have to say about it is that I don't think it presents well without parts in it. It looks chunky.
I agree. But
I can guarantee you once you fill this thing with components, it looks fantastic.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's going to look really, really good when you put stuff on it, but But yeah, so with that, I'm Leanne Lee also worked with EK to make a custom district plate which we've seen a couple companies I even EK I think made one for the original or no, maybe they did. I think that was ski in fan tech might have as well. But they've worked with EK to make a district play specifically for this case and their original, it will fit the original as well. I mean, yeah, that's just awesome. I mean, you have all your stuff ready to go. If you want to do a water cooling bill with this, now you have the district plate. And of course, everybody's going to make all the other hardware you need if you didn't want to go to with EK for your other, you know, parts of your water cooling bill, but it's just awesome. It's awesome to see this launch, basically a day after the case launched. So if you were thinking all this this new case, you know, I want to do a custom build on this. I I'm looking for parts, like you have something already ready. Which is great, which I think is good for builders and things like that. The district plates, how much is it? It's 200 bucks. That's a lot.
Is that a lot? I'm not I don't it's a lot for its for what is a reservoir? I'm not saying that there's not a lot there is actually there's a phenomenal amount of engineering that goes into this. This is something that you can screw up pretty phenomenally as a company. If you don't, if you don't manufacture this correctly, this can destroy a computer pretty quickly. Because there's so much surface area for it to leak through. It's like a it's like it's like the blown up version of our graphics card. Right? Like it could leak out anywhere that thing, but I would trust EK 100% with this, I think going with UK was a great idea for Langley. There's not many builders I would have said that about but, um, I think that it's a lot of money for a reason before. I mean, you can get a resume for as little as little as 20 bucks and average amount would probably be like, I don't know, 60 to 80. So to say 200. You gotta really want that showpiece, I guess.
Yeah, I think the biggest thing is that it fits the case. Perfect. Right. Yeah. So, so for I mean, no modification necessary, I guess is the selling point. And like, that's why you pay the 200 bucks for sure. Yeah, definitely. You know, so you don't have to modify the case at all. So I think it looks great. But as Derek said, it is kind of high price. And I think that EK is the I guess you would say the higher the EK is the razor of the water traveling worldwide.
Yeah. And Lindley isn't an isn't a cheap company to purchase from either they're not known for like bark, bark and parts, like they make good stuff. So it only makes sense to me that this would be an expensive part, I guess. And to have UK involved as well, you know, it's going to drive up the cost. So they do they do sort of run the market when it comes to work on. I know that like others would argue, but I think that's probably the case.
Yeah, so if you're looking to do water cooling bill should be ready to go. Oh, it
doesn't hold on. Does it come with a pump? It does come with the pump? Maybe they did showing the pump? Let's see if it comes with a pump. They're quoting the pump in the technical data. Okay, it's replaced? Yeah, with with it's got a DC 3.1 pump in it. I mean that I see that actually explain that quite a bit. Yeah, all the way at the bottom of their page, you monitor the back amongst the back of the, the reservoir the block. That makes a lot more sense. Actually, as far as cost is concerned. It's probably it's actually probably pretty much worth it. You are, it is a pretty fancy reservoir. So you're going to pay for that. And you're cutting out the cost of having to buy a pump, which, you know, it could be 100 bucks. So it's not $100 pump, but you know, you could spend 100 bucks on a pump.
Awesome. Now, I want to do built like this, even though I can't do I've never done water cooling before. It just looks so good. Like I look like if you go to the lead lead page, they have like some bills already in the case with it. And it just looks.
Yeah, it's definitely worth clicking on the link and checking that out and the finalized product. Yeah, you'll see what we mean by that. That case to it. Just want to get the RGB is in there. All that glass just lights right up. Look, Yeah, awesome.
Yeah, so uh, our last piece of news is gaming news. And one of the most anticipated games of this year is coming out in exactly two weeks, I believe it comes out on the 17th is Borderlands three, which I think I'm going to get. I haven't had a lot of time to play games, but I like I want this game. And I think I'll really enjoy playing it. So they released their minimum and recommended specs for the game. So if you're looking to get the game and make sure you be able to play it minimum is recommended pretending up gaming. Going through it really quickly. You either want an AMD FX eight at 350, or an Intel I 535 76 gigabytes of RAM AHD 7970 or GTX, six as far as graphics and 75 gigabytes of hard drive space, which is a lot. Well, I guess we've seen like over well over
Yeah, for bigger, bigger games.
And then the recommended specs, which is for 1440 P, rise and 520 600 or an ice 747 7016 gigabytes of memory and in radio on rx 590 or dcx 1060, same 75 gigabytes, obviously, of hard drive space, so and they actually released all of like the graphics settings that you you'll be able to change, which is kind of nice, like, because you get games and sometimes they're just ports. And they're badly done. And they don't give you like all of the graphics settings as a PC user that like you should have. Yeah.
Graphics at Tech, low, medium or hot.
Yeah. And like that's it, that's all you get. So they release all the graphics settings, which we have in the post too, if you want to take a look at those. Yeah, I think I'll probably get it. I like I like Borderlands so we'll see. But you will have to get it on the epic game store as that was a big, big thing earlier this year when it was announced. So. So yeah. So that brings us to the end of our news. And what we have coming up next week, I'll be taking a look at the Coursera carbide series 678. See, this is a big case. It's made to be a silent case, it's kind of like a fractal design case almost designed almost the same. So we'll see how that see if it's worth the $200 price points. It's a lot. It has a lot of storage space. Lot of 3.5 inch drive storage space. So if you're like doing a if you're somebody who has like crazy storage, which there are a lot of people, that's why they make these cases. And that's why Be quiet. In fact, I'll design have those cases, there's a lot of storage space in this and everything like that. So I'll have that for you. And then we'll also be taking a look at ass rocks z 390 fan some gaming x so it's pretty late in the game for a z 394. But as rock kind of read designed their high end, Phantom gaming board for z 390. Kind of like the same design will be Salander x 570, which is great. And like the whole big integrated heatsink, that's the entire bottom of the board, RGB lighting, they've added some new features. This board has Wi Fi, I think it's Wi Fi six, I didn't even look. But they've added like, you know, we're kind of matured into z 390. And some of the features on the line boards aren't there. So they've kind of added them like you're getting USB 3.2 Gen two and I believe it's Wi Fi six on this board too. Yeah, you're getting Wi Fi six on this too. So some of the features that weren't available when z 390 launch you're getting now plus an updated book, which I think looks great on the sport, so I'll be able to tell you guys more about that. Next week.
Interestingly, to comments on this. They lyst quite SLI in the product sheet, it only has three PCI Express ports. Okay, apparently can run quad off the three.
If, I guess if you what was the last dual GPU car?
Oh, I don't know. I guess that that'll double GPU card will work in X 570, though, like it'll, it's not recognizes individual cards when you install a gold card. Now, so I know that's just that's probably just a typo. But I thought that was fun. And now I forgot what else I was going to point out about it.
Oh, I was a second point.
I was gonna say that. At least you know, you should be able to use this for the new the new rising or the new Intel parts, the 14 plus plus plus plus, but you won't because they're changing the pin out. The Office really doesn't isn't going to have a very long shelf life.
If you wanted to get a 9900 K.
This would be the board to get it. Yeah, maybe. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think there's still a lot of people buying that stuff. Probably. Yeah. You know, because, like, we talked about this, like, I'm not going to buy a 10 series Intel part with supposedly 10 nanometer coming the next year, like, which should bring great performance just like when we saw also the 4772 yet when we went like when they added the more cores and and the performance difference was like crazy. When rising came out. Oh, yeah. Basically,
I think that was 8000 or was it? 7000?
I don't remember I think it was 8000. Because for did the 4790
was so a quad core with hyper threading. Yeah, so
I think like 7700 k came out, and it was quad core. And then the six core was the 87
I think you're right.
I could be wrong. I might be wrong. I'm not sure. But in any case is Google thing. Yeah, like why would you buy? Why would you buy 10th Gen or even ninth Gen when you know, something very, like especially if this is like not a first build like you You actually have a computer that work? Yes. Yeah, just it's like a hard sell. But the board looks great.
Yeah, I mean, if you're buying now it's nice to have something that's brand new to buy versus something that's But yeah, I just hope in something well, it it I was gonna say it might be at a price premium, but probably not with us right there per t price conscious. So it'll probably be these
Yeah, and you're getting a lot of like, this is like their high end gaming board. So you're getting like 2.5 gig land. Again, Wi Fi six USB 3.2 Gen two triple m dot two slots, which are full bandwidth, even other piece XRS three, integrated IO Shield again, which I love. You know, just a fully on board. It's just
yeah, it's just about to be a generation old and a half a half Hey,
I think what happened was one label selling the same z 390 boards into they came out with that design for the next 570 and they're like, Damn, this would look really good on a on an Intel board, and they just did it and it does. It does. Yeah, so So yeah, that's what we all have for you guys next week and brings us to the end here. We talked about if we watched anything or we took a look at any tech stuff or did anything tech nerd related. W did. Did you do anything?
to nothing? New I finished watching Second. Second Life for next life. That sci fi show on Netflix. Oh,
yeah, I got kind of weird at the
top. It got real weird. Yeah, it's like not second like that. Was that game?
yeah, it's super interesting. And then it just kind of like keeps getting weird and like
and I think the guy whoever the guy is I forget his name the actor that he just over x it I feel the
know the guy who Yeah, he just over like he over x. Yeah, he's a good actor. I think he's a great actor, but he just like, it's he's too intense for like the scene. Yeah, at least.
It got it. Okay. So to me, it got really, really weird. But then it also like, didn't like stay down those super weird paths. It tried to bring it back to normal. And that made it like, even more weird somehow. Just got different. Yeah. It's kind of cool. It's a cool sci fi thing. But I don't feel like I need to see another season necessarily. I don't know what. I know where they're going with it. I don't know if I care.
Yeah, I try to think if I put I don't really watch anything like sci fi like nothing. No, nothing. Just Yeah. I watched any movie, but I forget what it was. I can't even think about it. I didn't even
I didn't want to know what it was. I started watching Star Wars cuz? Oh, yeah,
I always do that. I actually know I watched a documentary on Netflix, or I think it's on Amazon. It's older. It's like, it probably came out in 2000. Five or six. But it was about Star Wars and the movies and the how how Lucasfilm created like all of those effects that you see Lucasfilm none of that stuff
is actually like, responsible for so much. As far as movie effects go and technology is concerned. It's
Yeah, so that was Yeah, I forget what it's called. But it's it's it's I believe it's on Amazon. So I was like board up Netflix. And I was looking on Amazon. Yeah. And it was so cool to see how they did the effects and how they basically created all of that stuff. And it was like in a big warehouse where they had to figure out how to do this stuff. So that I think that's really cool. That's the only thing I've really watched her
empire of dreams thing.
That might that might be some pretty sure that's it?
Yeah. I think I've seen that at some point. But yeah, because we just had the 23 so we saw all the new stuff that's coming out. So or well trailers for stuff so I'm pretty excited for that.
Yeah, yeah. II three games. com. What's next? I know the next big thing and XDDMRCS is coming. Later.
Yeah, yeah, sooner than later. So we will go ahead and end things here guys. As always, we have our full show notes page that has everything that we talked about. So you can go ahead and click through and get even more information. If you're looking for us. It's just think computers all one word on your favorite podcasting website or app. So Till next time, catch you guys later.