District 1 Santa Cruz County Supervisors candidate forum - Santa Cruz Local 10/8/2020
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Hi everyone. Welcome to the district one Santa Cruz County Supervisor candidate forum. My name is kara Meyberg Guzman. I'm the CEO of Santa Cruz Local. Santa Cruz Local is a local news podcast newsletter and website serving Santa Cruz County. We are supported by members. Santa Cruz local is all about getting Santa Santa Cruz County residents informed and engaged in local government and that is why we are here today. This is our fifth and final candidate forum this week. We are recording this forum and we will post it on our website along with the others at Santa Cruz local dot o RG slash elections. Before we get started a quick thank you to all our partners and co sponsors who made our candidate forum series possible. The app toss Chamber of Commerce the Association of faith communities capital a so called Chamber of Commerce, community bridges, county park friends live a cradle to career Paro Valley Chamber of Commerce, Santa Cruz County Chamber of Commerce, Santa Cruz community health centers, Santa Cruz County Business Council, Santa Cruz museum of art and history. Santa Cruz and Devitt, Santa Cruz, indivisible, Santa Cruz policy, Santa Cruz works and the Scotts Valley Chamber of Commerce. Thank you so much. This conversation we will offer Spanish interpretation I'm going to hand it over to our Spanish interpreter Beatrice to you
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Thank you, Kara. Let's meet the candidates. We have with us incumbent John Leopold and challenger Manu Koenig. If you live in Live Oak pleasure point, so Cal, Western capitola, or the Santa Cruz Mountains north of SoCal, you'll vote for one of these candidates. Candidates, when I call on you, just please say your name, and why you're running for the Board of Supervisors. You'll have 90 seconds, Kara will keep track of time you'll see a timer on her screen. Let's start with monoclinic.
Thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Kara for hosting this debate tonight. It's the kind of quality reporting and events that really makes me proud to be a contributing member for Santa Cruz local. And if you're here tonight, you know that a very important election is at hand, not just for our country, but also for our county. Our county has an 800 and $70 million budget, and it touches our lives every day. But in many ways we're failing. Housing is the fifth most expensive market in the entire world. The average pavement quality of our roads is an ass. And when it comes to homelessness, the majority of unsheltered people in our community have nowhere to go but our streets ravines or parks. My opponent has been in office for 12 years. That's a long time. 12 years ago, Obama was elected for his first term. Netflix was still sending out DVDs and red envelopes, and only 11% of us had smartphones. My opponent will go on and on about his experience. That experience has failed to deliver deliver results. I was born in this county. My family lives here and I'm running to provide better results for our community. I went to Stanford, I've worked for four different tech companies. And I've been a public engagement consultant in our county and with our county and cities for 10 years. My experience in public sector is rooted in understanding what you need and designing solutions. I hope you'll ask tough questions tonight and together be excited about the future of our counting
time. Thank you, john Leopold.
Good evening, and thanks for holding tonight's forum. You know, we're coming to you virtually because we're in the middle of terrible crisis, the COVID-19 crisis, and it's followed by the recent CCU lightning complex fire. As a member of the board of supervisors for the last 12 years, I'm proud of the accomplishments that we've had together, being able to build the Boys and Girls Clubs chanticleer Park, creating a vacation rental ordinance. That was the for the first time limited Vacation Rentals in our neighborhood. These are all positive contributions. But tonight as we face these crisises, we might look for parents and leadership to help us lead us through these tough times. As a member of the board of supervisors understanding the situation, I wrote the county's eviction moratorium, I created the $1 million rent Assistance Fund, and I rewrote the county code so building so businesses could operate outdoors. Now with the fires, I immediately reached out to colleagues who had been through these kinds of disasters, so we could come up with the best system possible to help people rebuild as quickly as possible. This is not a time to take chances with a novice, I'm going to use my experience to continue helping our community to continue to lead this community and to build things that will work out and support everyone who lives here.
Great, thank you. We'll move on to some questions. These questions come from our readers and listeners will show each question in the chat for our audience. And for the candidates. The chat box is at the bottom of your screen, just click the icon Mark chat. We ask the candidates to be respectful of each other and in their responses. At the same time, we'd like you to try to differentiate yourself from your opponent. So I'll call on a candidate and you'll have two minutes to respond to this first question. A big portion of District one is in the Santa Cruz Mountains where wildfire is a concern. What are your lessons learned from the CCU lightning complex fire? What more can the county do to prepare for wildfire and mudslides? Two minutes. JOHN Leopold.
Thank you, Stephen. This is not something that I started thinking about just this past August. This is something that I've been working on for a number of years after the Sonoma fires. I met with summit area residents to figure out what it is we could do. First, we needed to make sure they had the best equipment and I made sure that they had a new engine for the Volunteer Fire Company. I came to the pancake breakfast is to support their their fundraising for the water tender, and I continued to think about ways in which we could be helpful. So working with members of the community, we were able to pass a measure this January to add staffing to county fire. Then we began working about what we could do to make it as safe as possible. So I got money to the first funding to support our fire safe councils. First the various fire safe councils and now the Santa Cruz County Fire safe Council. I got extra money to support our cameras that are up at Loma Prieta to be able to see fires early. I've worked with community members like the Santa Cruz mountain Alliance to create a program for the first shaded fuel brake program up at Loma Prieta school which makes that school safer and makes it a place that could be a refuge in the event of a fire. We are currently working with callfire at Santa Cruz fire safe Council on a shaded fuel brake project that will be five miles on summit road Tuesday that the fire started. We we voted to underground utilities, not at the ocean where it always been, but in the mountains so they can not be an ignition source, improve the reliability of service and help protect evacuation routes. At the beginning of August I had Ricardo Lara on my constituent meeting our our state insurance commissioner to talk about how to deal with the fire insurance losses where people are getting canceled for their fire insurance. There's a lot more we're going to be able to do. But this is a start of what I've been able
to work on time. Thank you. The question again. What are your lessons learned from the CCU lightning complex fire? What more can the county do to prepare for wildfire and mudslides? monoclinic
Thank you Steven. Well, one of the lessons we certainly learned is that we need more cameras During the CCU complex fire, we only had one camera in the county and it was pointed away from where the fire started. These fires were very scary for a lot of people. Throughout our county, there are over a third of the county I had to evacuate. And many people in the first district, which includes the summit area, and the old San Jose road area, we're all terrified that this fire would come their direction. I've personally had to evacuated from wildfire before in the poorer Leo's area during the summit fire in 2008. And so I'm very concerned about how we can make sure our counties better prepared for these events in the future. You know, our civil grand jury report, the one that came out in July of this year, just a month before the fire found that, in general, our county is unprepared and uninformed about some of the risks that we have in our community. So what I would do differently, I would make sure that we actually have a vegetation management plan that identifies where the greatest risks are in our community and the needs to to address those risks. I would make sure that the county is maintaining a fuel brakes on its right of ways on all county roads. And fundamentally, we need more volunteer firefighters and more work crews in order to address that need. In the in the Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday, we saw that our county acknowledged that need but didn't come up with any new solutions. I think that we need to look at better volunteer firefighter training programs, greater incentives for people to be part of that force. We also need to look at people you know, not we know that the inmate fire crews are essential in firefighting fire, we need to look at modeling programs like that here that take people who are down on their luck, and put them to work helping us prepare for fire in our community.
Thank you. Okay, question too. Many residents told us they want more job options. What's your plan to diversify the county's job market? What will you do in the next year to realize that plan? You'll have two minutes again manconi.
Thank you, Stephen. Yeah, the you know, we have a net negative of jobs in the first district people have to about 5000 people have to commute outside of the district every day. And so we definitely need more high paying jobs right here. I think that the sustainable Santa Cruz plan lays a great framework for that, which is create more community centers. If you talk to anyone in in high tech, or some of the startups that are being created right here in our county, we need more office space and more more workspace for these people to move forward with their ventures. So as we look to transform these existing sites into more of community centers with mixed use opportunities, both work and living will create more opportunities for good paying companies to grow right here in Santa Cruz. Of course, the other thing that we can do is expand high speed internet throughout our community. We have the county as a dig once policy that's been in place since 2014. And we should use that to lay conduit for high speed internet dark fiber, both up and down the So Cal corridor, where it can go by the Medical Center, and also the SoCal Research Park, near 41st. And so Cal, which is a huge opportunity site for more businesses to grow here in our community, and also down the rail corridor, you know, maybe we should shift our thinking a little bit about infrastructure needs. It's not just about moving people. It's also about moving ideas and data. And to think about the rail corridor or some of the biggest opportunity sites in our community, like 17th and brahmer. They're the old ledger distribution facility, or another great opportunity to host more great companies right here in Santa Cruz. And of course, one of the one of the incubators that already exists on the west side. The startup sandbox is hosting a lot of biotech companies, also near the rail corridor, and it'd be great both for better transportation and internet.
I think the question again, what's your plan to diversify the county's job market? What will you do in the next year to realize that plan, john Leopold,
was a couple of things that I would say you want to match the jobs with the education opportunities that are here in Santa Cruz County. When I was at Cumbria, we doubled the number of spaces for nurses, and right now we are going to be looking at a proposal for a major new Kaiser facility in the first district. That means that people who go to cabrio can graduate into jobs that pay 60 to $80,000 a year. Healthcare is one of our key sectors. And growing that in the first district will provide a lot of jobs, and there'll be good paying jobs that for kids and other people who live here and can get trained here. Second, we've already drawn Speed fiber, dark fiber down socail drive as part of the Central Coast broadband Consortium, we are now working to figure out ways that we can pull off of that, bring it down 41st Avenue. So it gets all the way down to pleasure point, I led an effort to have the community weigh in about design standards about the pleasure point commercial corridor. So we could have different kinds of development, office spaces, retail restaurant, and new jobs that would be located right in a beautiful spot only a couple blocks away from the ocean. We have in the last couple of years, we have created a new industry in Santa Cruz County in the cannabis industry. That environmental impact report said could produce six to 7000 jobs here in Santa Cruz County, all paying above minimum wage or higher. They create a tax revenue for us and that's an area that we could work on and looking at about what high tech firms might want to be here either in pleasure point eastcliff village shopping center when that gets redeveloped or along the the socail Drive corridor will be key to the economic future for our community.
Great, thank you. We're gonna move on to our lightning round. We're gonna ask them yes or no questions. Please raise your hand if the statement applies to you. I'll name the candidates who raise their hands. Question one of our lightning round candidates talk a lot about public transit. Raise your hand if you've taken the bus in the past year.
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Santa Clara County Santa Clara County recently legalized Tiny Homes on wheels as permanent in law units. They had been classified as RVs and non permanent housing. Raise your hand if you support that same legalization of permanent Tiny Homes in Santa Cruz County. Two hands john Leopold man, Monica, thank you. Number three, raise your hand if you would support any reduction in the number of parking spots required to be built with new housing. Johnny Paul and manconi question for last one. Raise your hand if you support the county creating a new navigation center for the homeless. Both Johnny fall and monocolor. Great. That concludes our lightning round. I'm moving on to question three. Many residents that we interviewed in district one said they want more affordable housing built in the district. What are your plans to build and fund more affordable housing specifically? How do your plans differ from your opponent? Two minutes, john Leopold,
was a couple of things that were already engaged in in the first district. As you know, we've dedicated land for affordable housing on Capitol Hill Road, where we approved just under a year ago, a new 57 unit affordable housing project with a new health center, a new Dental Center, we dedicated two spots. for Habitat for Humanity for a total of 18 units. We pass a density bonus ordinance. And we actually built that the first project on Portola, the Portola Plaza project that will probably be under construction next year, we're going to be looking at the seventh and broma site as probably starting in January, a spot which was going to be a hotel and housing. But now because of the changes in COVID will probably be mostly housing with a small amount of retail there as well. One of the things that I've developed his good working relationships with many in the affordable housing community. And we were smart enough when redevelopment closed to put our money aside. And so the state couldn't take it that meant $45 million for affordable housing, which we're still drawing on. It helped us build the St. Stephen's senior housing. It's helping with a capital A road project and a number of other projects in Santa Cruz County. We need to leverage the money that we're getting from the state to be able to build more affordable housing, but we need to create the space for to make that happen. I'm glad that we've done that in the first district. And I'm proud to have the support of leaders in affordable now affordable housing now, COPPA and Santa Cruz yimby, because they see that the vision that I have of connecting transit to to housing development will actually make sense. And it's yielded great results so far, and I'm sure that we will have more in the future. Thank
you. The question again, what are your plans to build and fund more affordable housing specifically, how do your plans differ from your opponent manconi.
The first thing I'm going to do to create more affordable housing in our community that is fixed the planning department because by streamlining the planning department, we can allow everyone to participate in investing in our community and creating more of the housing we need. I think this is really something that differentiates me from my opponent because he's presided over one of the most dysfunctional department planning departments in the state for the last 12 years. I've never heard him say anything about fixing it. But on the campaign trail I hear over and over again about how difficult it is to work with our planning department, people who spend 10s, or hundreds of thousands of dollars, trying to improve their homes, and you know, eventually just give up and move into one of the cities because they're tired of dealing with county planning. We're supposed to be streamlining at use right now. But it can take I have a friend who's an architect, it's taken a year and a half, she still doesn't have a permit for an edu. And that's partially also because it's so difficult to permit septic in our system county right now, because the county failed to get their local area management plan certified by the state in time. Of course, this relates to rebuilding after the fire as well. And we heard recently, from a lot of people up last chance in other communities affected by the fire, that the requirements still feel too onerous in the counties not working with them to consider the kind of lifestyle that they would like not considering new improvements, like composting toilets, or off grid solutions. So let's also set the record straight. There, my opponent talks about the units of housing that we're building on capital, capital erode. He was talking about those four years ago, during the last election 57 units. That's a drop in the bucket. He talks about Portola Plaza, but he voted against the density bonus that allowed that project to have 33 units. You we really need the sustainable Santa Cruz plan to go in place. We both support reducing parking requirements for that. But again, he voted against the recommendation sustainable Santa Cruz plan in approving a Nissan dealership on 41st. And so I'm Thank you.
Just a reminder, at the end, we're going to have concluding statements. So if you guys want to rebut each other and talk that would be the time to do it. We have two more questions before that question for Spanish speaking parents that we talked to in Live Oak told us they want more opportunities for their children. Many of these parents have lost jobs during the pandemic, they not rely on the food bank, they told us they need better internet access and more communication from the county in Spanish. Name one thing you will do to help these families in the coming year manconi.
Yeah, we shouldn't have 50% of our community, you know, with insufficient internet access to, to get online and go to school. And you know, I hear about kids who are being truant, because they just cannot access the internet. So you asked about one thing that I would do to improve relations with Spanish speaking residents, I would absolutely committed to hiring staff that are fluent in Spanish so that we can provide all communications from the supervisors office in Spanish, and that someone is available to take questions and meet constituents needs who only speak Spanish. You know, I also was a board member of digital nest, where we work to expand tech sector opportunities to underserved youth in watsonville. I personally help you become a web designers and take on clients and help them with that process. I would love to see expansion of more programs like that right here in the middle of our county, in live oak. And of course, we need to make sure that we need to solve this issue about kids not being connected to the internet, whether it's giving away more high, more hotspot devices, or quickly to fill that short term gap. And then as I suggested as well, really making sure that we take five dark fiber down to South County along the rail corridor. You know, other things that we can do as as we work to improve the planning department that'll create a lot of jobs for people in the Latino community as well. I spoke to a man on on Paul many Avenue just the other day who works in construction and hasn't been able to do much work, because because many of the projects are stuck in the permitting process. So I think it's a combination of things to get our economy going certainly providing services to Spanish speaking residents in Spanish from the supervisors office, and absolutely making sure that no one is left behind in as our economy changes over time. Thank you. JOHN Leopold.
Thanks for this question. I think it's very important and it's something that I've been working on. I've always had bilingual staff in my office to be able to communicate with all the residents in the district. When I created the cradle to career program seven years ago, one of the things that we saw in the Live Oak school district that there were so many families who had monolingual Spanish speaking parents, and we created a program that gave parents control over the resources to be able to help their children and their families because we know that a strong family is the best is the best solution for so many issues in our community. One of the things that has made that program a success and award winning program is we do simultaneous translation whenever we meet, and that means that we're on, everybody's on an even playing field and being able to communicate and interact with the information that we have. And that has proven to be so successful that I've changed the way that we do that at the county board of supervisors when people come. So we have simultaneous translation, we, one of the things we've seen in COVID, is we need to not only expand access to the internet, but we need to make sure that we're providing digital literacy. And the cradle to career program had developed those relationships with parents to be able to do one on one help. So when the Chromebook that they got from the Live Oak School District, they were able to help the parents and the kids learn how to use that tool. It's incredibly important. We also use cradle to career to build out a passion for produce program program. So there's food for everybody who needs it in the school district. And each year, we brought the Mexican consulate to live oak so people could get paperwork necessary for them to be able to work here. We're working on creating more jobs in the restaurant retail healthcare fields, that means that it will be available for so many people in Santa Cruz County, and especially Live Oak resonance.
Thank you. Alright, question five, on homelessness. What is your plan to transition the hundreds of people now living in shelters to permanent housing? And how could it be funded? Two minutes again, john Leopold?
Well, there's a lot that the county has learned over this past year as we set up 11 shelters for 600 people. And we are already working on plans to transition those people into more stable housing than just putting them in tense or sending them back out on the street. You know, one of the things that the grand jury report recently on homeless identified was that the siting of facilities make it really hard to make these things happen. We got a, we got a real time test of that, during the cove, early part of the COVID crisis, when we needed to house so many people. The Seventh Day Adventists offered their site to help us out during a moment of crisis. And I moved quickly to, to create a plan that to that was approved by the sheriff and the fire department, and then work with the community about what was happening there. We were able to house those 20 or so transition age youth the most vulnerable part of our homeless population. And then because of that work there, they were able to host another 300 people when the fires happen, we have to use the funds from the state to do things like purchase. Hotels, it's been challenging, we have homeless in hotels, but it's been hard to find a hotel who wants to sell. We just recently created the permanent room housing. So we could turn these old motels which have really become single room occupancy locations into a legal structure. So they can be updated and maintained. We need to to designate funding from the measure G, which we have to fund things like a navigation center and new homeless programs. We've shown in the in the shelters that we've set up in the last year that we can actually move people to housing already 25% of those transition age youth who are saying and So Cal have moved into permanent housing, we can do more, and we will do better.
Great question again. What's your plan to transition people now living in shelters into permanent housing, and how can it be funded manconi.
Over and over again, I hear that homelessness is the most important issue for constituents. And it's it affects our lives in so many ways. You know, whether it's the the pain of walking by someone who's unsheltered on the street at the bus stop and not feeling like you have anything that you can do to help them out. Or whether it's you watching someone that you love that's dealing with increasing mental illness or addiction and feeling like county mental health services are failing them. One of the big frustrations I've had with the way our county has approached homeless or Homeless Services today is that we're not using that money we get from the state to build permanent housing, as you said. I mean, just last year, Steven, we got 10 and a half million dollars from the state without strings attached. We could spend it for any programs and in fact, in fact, the housing matters. formerly homeless services center recommended spending half of that money on building a navigation center with purpose In a supportive housing, that's what Marina did with their money with with majority of their funds. But what did we do? We ignored that recommendation, how many homes did we build? Zero, I would have invested that money in Tiny Homes and pallet shelters and put them on county property, starting with places like the Emeline complex that people are close to health services, putting them also looking at places like the watsonville Health Clinic, which also provides mental health services, there's four and a half acres available there. We need to look at, in constantly investing in a poor capacity of housing people, then we can look at more better, better mental health outreach services to get people into those kinds of facilities, and expand work programs. Because once people are housing, you've productive work to feel good about themselves. That's why the downtown streets team works. That's why the homeless garden project works. I'm going to make sure our community looks at unsheltered people and allies in a resource.
Thank you. Okay, great, we're on to closing statements. Please tell voters why they should cast their vote for you. And anything else you want voters to know. We'll start with monoclinic.
Thank you, Stephen. Thank you all for coming tonight. You know, after, after 12 years, my opponents very good at talking about everything the county has ever done, or ever talked about doing. But the reality is that the results speak for themselves. And, you know, looking at things like the grand jury results, which were the work reports, which were the result of years long study by citizens, who really looked hard at issues like fire safety, like homelessness, and make these recommendations. And then seeing that some of the response to those recommendations that our county has today. You know, it's sort of like, yeah, those are good ideas, but too complicated, not going to do them. That's really, really frustrating. And especially as someone who's worked in public engagement for a decade now, and who knows that a lot of good ideas are actually present in in the public sphere in among the public. And we just need to access that better and put it into into effect. That's how I would approach dealing with issues like the rail corridor. I have had taken a strong advocacy stance on that before, but my solution is to put it to the use of that corridor to your vote. So I bring a I also bring a mindset of build, measure, learn that has been successful in lots of tech companies, and we need to apply it to the public sector to create value for all of us. That means not long, grandiose plans, but short term solutions built on what you need, where we improve and consistently. I'd be honored by your vote.
Great closing statement, john lippo.
Thank you for holding tonight's forum. You've just heard right now about the need for get results. And look at the 12 years of results we've had, we have a boys and girls club where 200 kids use that facility every day, we have a chanticleer Park The first all inclusive park in Santa Cruz County where kids of any ability can play together, I led the effort to purchase the 32 mile rail cord after 20 years of inaction I led the funding measure measure D to invest in our local streets and roads. I wrote the vacation rental policy to limit the impact in our neighborhoods. But this election isn't about the past this election is about the future. And we have key issues that we need to be focused on the COVID response is going to be critical. It's not going away quickly. We need someone with public health experience who can continue to lead and keep our numbers lower than surrounding counties. We need to keep on fighting climate change. The wildfire that we experienced is one example. We've talked about fire prevention. But we also have to worry about sea level rise and I'm leading an effort I'm going to be at the Coastal Commission tomorrow, talking about our sea level rise policy, we need to work to cut our water rates in Live Oak because we pay almost 15% more than the city of Santa Cruz and I'm leading the fight on that. And lastly, we have to battle and trench racism. I did a resolution on racism is a public health crisis. But now I'm working with a group of bipoc leaders so we can have a platform. So having ongoing policy recommendations about issues about race, economic and social justice in our community. Thank you both. Thank you very much. This is really informative and really substantive. And I appreciate it. I'm going to hand it over to Kara to wrap up.
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