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Part of the branding right. True.
All right, so to summarize this getting me right. To summarize, we are now on section nine after having perfected seven and eight we made several consolidations there hasn't been really significant debate there was a note by Mr De Shay on the needed power of the Office of the President, to be able to coordinate logistics for events. And that's kind of been enumerated already under op. All right. Are we finished, does anybody have anything further on section nine of the media and technology officer. Okay. Student Advocate General right section nine. All right, let's just read the whole thing. Tell me what everybody's done reading one and two, this one's longer because so many things to be included we do need the intention here is to make it smaller. I just wanted to include the last so we could.
What is other church
jurisdiction. Every moment.
One sec Let's read everything yeah let's take a few minutes at one. I didn't read everything so that we can compare but we'll go back to one.
So number one is it possible
to. Also, one
cycle it's finished just let everybody read it. Okay.
Nobody's problem with nine being deleted.
No, I think, 79 can go to
that yeah that is offices jobs is no one ever complains to us. That's why we can't investigate.
That's really the power to petition is the power to investigate.
Right, based on when we go over the Jewish Ward, it'll be the power to subpoena, which is what actually how the current system real estate works like realistically right now. The student Advocate General can't like get you to come in for questioning or something like that. I don't have subpoena power. I mean they could write reports but anybody. Yes. Wait, are we getting Ivan's.
Yeah, we can.
All right. Yes, my name is
general actually yeah you know
Human Resources officer. Yeah,
that makes a lot more sense human resources.
The one yeah I like the Human Resource Officer idea, the one confusing thing about that as HR. Is there going to be filing Judicial Court cases so they're more acting like an attorney general than a direct human resources department, it might be a little difficult because sgsn has a human resources officer and like, oh, now we have the Human Resources officer so I noticed he
was Aaron nothing she
is an officer though. I think it is HR
okay it's gonna start so why don't we just do student.
What was the attorney student Attorney General, Attorney General,
people don't know what that means.
People it will know what Attorney General means more than advocate, it helps more than two.
Okay. Does anybody have Jeff Alton as UCI attorney. Student attorney, human resources, I want to stay away from your call. Okay. Hello, attorney. That's what I said.
Okay. Does it thing thing do the thing
way sorry your
sitter know you already have a human resource.
All right, just for the record, we moved on to the student Advocate General, we're first going to hear from ya later on what his job is practically speaking to the Constitution, Mr Wiley right now, will you introduce yourself.
Hello, my name is well listen I'm the chief accountability officer my constant obligations is to. As of right now is to monitor the attendance of all officials of agency, and when I say, and by officials as according to the Constitution house to be house defines whoever receiving who receives stipend. Generally speaking, with the constantly changes. If there is nothing that says officials are monitored and these were monitoring more than 300 people, one person cannot monitor more than 300 people, that's not happening.
I would have gladly quit
because that is crazy.
Just to be honest. The thing about it. What's the point of the month the interns when they're begging the volunteers that
I don't see payment.
I think it'd be wise to say paid member
was named Ameobi reason how to count but he also was Dan again I'll still be monitoring more than 60 plus people with one person can do, but still also was, but still I don't suggest having a sad just also responsible complaints and monitored March our offices, because even with the executive offices that's easier said than done. The thing is I had to go I personally had to go to each and every executive as he asked Can I please receive that information regarding their meeting attendance, as well as grown commissioners meeting attendees will receive stipend under, under each one offices, as well as Sydney. So again, that's easier said than done because that communication that little straight going for backwards. That is how it is now put it external shg. They are here and sponsored a complaint of the public, but concerned the public does not know there exists due to the fact of lack of publicity which is our niche is on the sad part, and on the other end. I'll say the CM. But the chief media technology officers part as well. That's why they don't, that's why people don't go complain to they say gee, since we are playing against senators all cynical plans with the go straight to the shg you will not go to senators in the first place. And why are they sad that the music was all complete goes under our contracts irresponsible they keep, keep them maintained all complaints and make them confidential, your nights will be normally blues will complain to you. And that goes with senators as well San Cisco play against other senators. They're not for the know because we want to promote avoiding kind of blackmail any kind of threats, any anything of that matter
of question I'm going to turn off this.
Let's say a complaint against another person. What are you guys going to do about it.
African students stanzas and now what we would do we would investigate investigative point. And then we will come we will meet with each, we will meet person too far to find the person who the complaint is against
one of one of them politely types for all
of Australia judicial board constitution.
How is everyone up here changing advocate attorney protection tender reads to the general.
And then we passed it but I really think we should change the chief immediate technology officer. So we don't do with any technology. That's true. We can just call it marketing officer.
I like that, because it's more clear
about marketing communications officer. Oh yeah, that was my marketing communications good I do both. So,
yes, we're discussing changing the name chief media and technology officer to something like Marketing Officer because they don't deal with anything with regards to technology
but they do right I thought they dealt with the website. Yeah, it was true. They said they yeah fake Sunday, they changed the website.
Yeah, cuz they're in charge of like you know like organizing and like it. I didn't know that stuff so i don't know i mean depends on
social media technology considered media
marketing or marketing to
We all know what the cmts better understood offices. Let's go back section 10 on sunako General, does anybody object changing it to Attorney General. No,
no hopes to
half the people who apply for it. Well, I kind of do something about the climate Joe,
were we talking about keeping changing student asked
you something about human resources. Now let's put the
numbers, yeah what this
human resources, because we change human resources. It confuses people on kind of their prerogative. The point is to Attorney General is to file petitions to the judicial board and kind of deal with that area. They're also kind of a de facto legal advice to the President, human resources and more about like his job, tracking attendance, things like that, that would be really confusing,
so you wouldn't want to be holding a changed man a human resources manager being a human resources officer. So that is
how we get there Well yeah, we get there. So, first one. What does it mean by or other jurisdictions what that looks like. Um. Elections Commission. Okay, we're we're.
And also, can you also have put number one to file petition on behalf of the President, the executive committee and dispensing only because it goes bad right now yard, you can't file a petition for complaints as well. So that makes more sense to just what would send me to
file a complaint about.
It could be anything could be about sexual harassment charges be about blackmail can be literally anything, I says to
send him off to ask, here's what I will say you are under the president so senate asked you to do something, you're basically doing if the president tells you know you. You aren't sketchy constitutional grounds, because your purpose is not to help a senate wants help, they should hire a parliamentarian or hire somebody else like senate really should not be implementing the law, especially if there's like an issue between like the Senate and executive, that I don't think we need
to be interest between senators and other senators,
well here's what I tell you, if the president for the president or the VP or somebody was being impeached. You're supposed to defend them actually
in this consumption, that's what the Attorney General does he defends the government. the government being the status quo administration. Yeah. Senate can hire their own i think i think we shouldn't we should keep it separate. Okay, I don't think the senate can hire or they can,
they can don't see the point in filing petitions when they can literally just write a resolution,
yeah nothing to fall back on behalf of the President and he said and or Executive Committee.
That's an important distinction.
Okay, second one Tim pose appropriate structural measures on a sec offices
mandating more better training or better recognize now.
Why does they have the authority to impose structure, they don't they need the consent. The sound to saying,
so basically if I want to say, I recommend that executives have better publicity publicity training or how to publicize in classrooms or other things, the Senate has to pass.
What is consent looked like is that
it would be legislation.
Is that defined in this.
Um, it's defined in the parliamentary authority. Yeah.
Maybe you want to change with consent and set up with approval. That's more consistent terminology.
Yeah, that makes more sense. So you know,
we already have it all committee, able to get structural measures recommendations about the executive committee in the president
to get approved by city. Correct. and I mean that's how it would usually work in the past. If depend of course the voting criteria based on what part of the rules they want to change. But yeah, they could. Now the question is what happens you have a student Attorney General that's at odds with the President. Well I mean that happens in real politics sometimes. Both Obama and the Trump administration had both of the churches had problems with their attorney generals and the answer is well you got to figure out a way to fire them.
Oh that's gonna be wonderful that's gonna be,
I think that's, I think that's every inferior office is gonna be fun for you to fire them,
the wonders of blackmail that's gonna be wonderful to blackmail the threats them
well I'm saying if you're legitimately being blackmailed. You should go to a higher office.
that's actually a crime.
And I don't even know I know this has been a cabling discussion judicial board. If the court really wants to take up stuff like that, that another office in the university would be more appropriate.
They're like, Oh God,
yeah. So if it's something as extreme as like a front blackmail. No, I think political coercion is in the blackmail black just so the records clear blackmail is like I these embarrassing photos of you I'm going to leak if you don't vote this way. That's blackmail blackmail is not, I'm going to cut your budget. If you don't vote this way. That's legitimate political coercion,
just be clear. So number three, instead of two. Should we just make it one. What is my deputy student
Advocate General thing.
Well there's two right now there's an external, internal, we decided to just kind of make them. Yeah. Deputies, they could be so I don't think we want to though I think we just see
what are their, what are they
basically this this assist the attorney jack what they should be doing is assisting the attorney, while the snap general in filing petitions and stuff like that and doing investigation and
they do it says again. No one ever petition so
maybe maybe we should just do only one death. Why, because no one ever.
There's no need for two, because no one ever Putin because no one, no no anything because no one knows
that they should get rid of it. No.
Okay. Because what's the issue is that is it for one every area every Cause every scene has issue with, with publicity. A lot of people don't know we due to the lack of public.
We can't existed.
So with your publicity, then this will change here's
my question, if, if people didn't know you exist, are people going to file petitions, most likely, when they file petitions on.
Oh this odd example, remember they can externals to navigating to get a general taken Liberty petition petition complaints of Zionism and I hate to bring it up, down, $1.1 million.
That's not but that's not something they should be petitioning, that's not a legal art prop that's like a complaint, they can claim to the Senate
time again they want to send
out an election that's a political problem, there's a direct democracy for them. This here's the here's the problem I have with students. Right now, they, they, in some way feel like they can be involved in a political matter, they're strictly supposed to be legal. They filed petitions, with the judicial board, they're not involved in the policy creation, aspect there nothing to do with policy, and that's
just the underdogs outside making sure that we don't get involved in a warning sign
right right now. Yes, but I would even ask like right now. What would you do if somebody petitioned you and said, We don't like senate passing this policy.
We don't think their judicial.
What is you should worry about it. What's the standard like you'd have to have a rule problem,
like a one person opinion.
Yeah, or if they want to petition their opinion they can go through direct democracy and have it recall, that's like the profit that that's the point would be like, I think, of the Senate is spending money on something incorrectly, and they, and then he will go and investigate that and if they are you'd bring charges against them, it's not, I don't like that the Senate,
can be having more than $15 per person per meal.
Can we please okay can we at least apply what I'll call a struggle context and understand why was it created by the 2016 in the first place. Why did they have these specific people, these specific positions created
in the first place, watchdogs they felt people. Basically what they wanted was somebody they want a judicial board to be active in that they're being constantly positioned by the student Advocate General for code violations. That hasn't happened, snackage General to be honest is not either a semi attorney or they're just not legally interested most since an elected position most attorney generals are kind of running on political platforms and they don't exactly know the system, the system is very. It took me four years to really understand how this government works and most people still aren't exactly sure how it works. So, the student generals that Justin Dofus off. What pride 200 300 votes. Probably don't really know much what they're doing because they don't know that they, they went out they can't do anything about climate change in the position. Well, a political.
People who apply for and they want to do something about climate change, they hear advocacy because they hear advocate, well
I think another part of the saying that there's not enough publicity I think that a huge issue with the name, and this is going to fix part of that and then people because when you think about, Attorney General then you think, oh I could fall. Okay,
so question so if next year, says the names well because of this, and a lot more viewers are complaining because I'm just still trying to understand is reducing it down to one person trying to save one person respond,
there's like, I don't know what the current sad does happen and internal sad. I don't know what does and then we have an external shg. I only see Wiley, I think, I think you could do all of it.
But I think we're just taking away one position, instead of.
If you hired staff.
Yeah, I think maybe we can hire staff under.
Yeah, I don't want to be the asshole that fires people like
fed up to if they're bad stuff.
Government there's only so much that can be fine.
Okay, question this constitution will be applied to next year. Correct. Okay, well,
here's what will happen when it's passed just so it's clear, we are inserting a provision to so certain parts of it are going to be implemented certain parts won't so people run for shg will still become the student Attorney General, even though they weren't appointed, but they will be under the same power, right,
what I mean is that once this passes like this quarter, it will not apply
native will, so. So,
that's me so we're just automatically
firing. No. Grandfather.
Let's move on
to start talking about like the names like. So like when people run for like these positions like election season coming up, like is it going to show like the original name or the movie changed now the current,
it'll say what its current is.
Okay, and then with the previous you it'll change but now it'll get fired,
right, perfect, other things, so everyone okay with changing into front to appoint to to appoint a deputy student Attorney General,
do we even need the deputy student, whatever and a chief accountability officer
can a student Attorney General be the chief accountability officer as well. Sure. The only reason I'm changing that. So you definitely want one. Deputy, because then if the Attorney General runs off and nowhere to be found.
There, I would say though with Chief accountability officer. I think that could be something that is, you know, as, as well as doing like ensuring that folks are, you know, having their meetings or, you know, like holding a CCI accountable and knows and I can agree with that.
The chief accountability officer is really more like this pseudo HR.
So whatever you want to call it Human Resources officer
can agree with.
Yeah, they're just gonna have limited, I mean they're just a documentary job
basically and that's all I'm doing at this point is monitoring and then in the spring and giving presentations, it
does anybody have a problem with changing chief accountability officer to human resources.
I mean, I think it's gonna cause any issues on, like so. I think it's a very minor role.
Yeah, I also think that calling the Human Resources wouldn't affected prostaff If anything, it'll be true.
Okay, so we okay with this.
Are we not getting
to the 1.8 Debbie let's go back to three go back to three to appoint a deputy attorney general we okay with that new change generals in general.
And then, to eight and a
two point air Sandy. You don't want to like, yeah I get, like if you don't know
who's Andy. Andy.
Okay, I think two is different than one cuz two has something of like a slight role in getting the Senate to approve stuff first one has nothing to do with Senate.
One has to do with their traditional role which I think one is really their true power
to is kind of important we really do need more trainings.
Oh that's gonna be so fun getting them getting training selfies is
that not an old
kinda. We do have firstly the disability training, there are. We have exactly. There's no way,
where it's even stated,
it's not in the Bible, it's not for one it's unquestionable constitutional grounds for two does not in any of the government documents right now for two. It's like, it's super hard to get people that how you enforcing on fire people because they don't show up. Well, that is what Rodrigo said was the alternative and that
really is the appropriate attorney for disability tryna
significant amount of problems with that though,
with the training so
just tend to be a delegate. I don't think we need for delegate matters at office so they carry some their classic powers, maybe. Okay.
This is kind of.
Actually I think this is sufficiently different it is, I don't think five is necessary to create communication.
Before cases where misuse of student closes is going to
be a duty.
Yeah, it's a little bit.
But the question is is five a class of powers or is it a duty. If it's a duty, it should be in a different dog soda bottles or or another government,
making notes of what we think should be, because we've had a few things that were like, Oh, yeah,
yeah. We are debatable on it it's going to set tomorrow. So we rice has a list of yeah I've been making comments within the dog
duties that were racing. Yeah, to some of them we were unanimously like oh yeah but that's okay,
let's do official votes then just so we're confirming. Yeah, I'm just did, we did, we did for the others so there were a few today we didn't have an official load song. But let's let's clarify second time. That's important. So for five, is there a motion to strike from. All right, there's motion to strike more, does anybody object to striking five.
Okay. It struck a hallway. Okay, wait wait what
it's understood sensor power
plays in a band bylaws, because at least that isn't that is important. And, oh and also one thing instead of calling it is that call them deputy can call them assistant. Assistant, do not
get any us
legal term necessarily but it implies you're kind of like the vice yeah so
this is more of a staff name. Yeah, call it deputy
deputy I think a shared
a deputy of a sheriff is enabled with many of the same powers as the sheriff in lieu of the sheriff being there.
So, it's fine to investigate and report any malfeasance and malice, or maladministration and malfeasance covered malfeasance. I, I, maybe we should do you want to.
This is, this doesn't sound like a power, this sounds like a
duty. What do we think, I agree.
Yeah. Number five.
Okay, Miss Clark Moonstruck number five is anybody object. Well,
of course, the information is it gonna be placed in the bylaws
somewhere. There will be. So, After this passes the sun it's going to take probably a week to massively expand the duty section, okay cuz, and the bylaws are not pretty both okay cool so
it's gonna be tricky
because Terry speaking as of right now. The, The other student Attorney General, and the human resource officer has absolutely no responsibilities in this constitution.
The Constitution is essentially supposed to just describe the power
for disputes and complaint. So it's gonna say does not seem odd that kind of does. The only if you're going to infer a power from this, it would be all meet all disputes have to go to them and they can like, if the president for instance tries to do to Canada speed, they can be like no, that's our power not right unlawful delegation of power. Do we want to delete that.
This prevents any other office from adjudicating
to to judge or to mediate, it says we should keep
the student Attorney General's meant to be a third party and only to be neutral.
What has been violated a significant amount. Well,
again, because again, whoever went to the essay G.
Now, here's, here's the other thing I think it applies here, there's no standing role the SMG is not required, they're not like the traditional board, I think shg can do stuff without having been petition. I think the Jewish board cannot, but yes he can. So, for for you guys like non partisan or should we change it to an impartial something non partisan non partisan. For the record, means you do not favor any generalized political affiliation, whatever that means. Okay, don't take
him. It can extend beyond latest political.
It might not be a partisan issue that's between Yeah. That's what I think. Do we want a better in, and in part okay so is there a motion to strike non partisan and input, insert, was there a different way. And,
yeah, please impartial,
okay, because again, this is not good for that because it is not we use this system we have a political view there's bad like whatever sizes will become automatic the pizza group. So look at the most logical, the most logical way of doing things they take sides and
I think it just I don't see them like, I don't see their them in the role of trying to mediate a partisan dispute though that's what confused
Yeah, political affiliation, has the connotation of Republicans, Democrats, etc. With that Congress leads slates Yes,
so that's how I could see it. Yeah.
Cuz there's still people that would stick with it now.
Okay, okay. Yeah, so, non partisan and impartial is everybody okay that little bit Yes, yes. Okay, and quietly. I don't think we need to delegate. That's not a power base we're strength. Okay, everybody okay with the student Attorney General provision of four powers.
Why would he speak now forever hold your peace. No, I'm just trying to figure it out
in my head, because I'm still stuck. Okay, so what responsibilities of the human resources officer, and in the Debye student Advocate General, where their responsibilities be specified in the bylaws
Yes. Okay. And if they're not, then there by what the Attorney General says. So, remember the attorney general has the jurisdiction over full of this
okay doesn't hurt a gentle didn't go that it's not Oh, oh, go give me coffee that's a responsibility,
I mean if they're being abusive towards you like that. A just say it, no fire me, or be tell Senate, and they will act upon it. I think that's clearly misconduct,
if everything was like kind of a butterfly
but that the responsibility though, so how much, how much is obeying Riley
we're going really far down that rabbit hole, really specific issues you guys would have ever told you
know He never says willing
to delegate because he never had to deal with Mr. Ortiz, he never had to deal with gamers but he never had the ability
or advocate advocate to attorney comes good and well, there might be certain place in the constitution says advocate
and okay we changed everything was a candlelit once. Yep.
And part three to change
To me, human resources. Right, yeah.
Let's go back.
What 15 minutes, or whatever.
The most interesting section.
All right, next section judicial
sectional where we went to task 11
Sorry. All right, does anybody have objections section 11 melee or staff, you can hire, as many staff as you want now with confirmation of sudden why confirmation because you gotta pay them. Should we say paid staff may hire
things What do you want hire staff when they start hiring, yeah hiring hiring hiring is
not necessarily because I think with the depth, the difference because then you could you could hire staff, and then kind of will not necessarily determine whether or not they get paid or not but like.
So this is again the dispute I had with Rodrigo. Now, in the normal how this constantly seems to be structures once you get a permanent department and somebody's permanently hired with them, they tend to stay on board. The old constitution makes Commissioner jobs, rotate now your staff will rotate here, but they're the lower people in those departments, they're paid that aren't appointed by you stay into the next year. So the top people change consistently, the lower people don't always.
Okay. Everybody understand that.
But overall, you should. All right. I mean, that means your commissioners
know but there are some folks that to me.
Yeah. And we confirm, I think, only the people I believe are confirmed right we had
everybody gets confirmed to Senate, for the most part, okay,
if they're paid.
Okay, judicial bore fun following by what
was it called.
Didn't you just, yeah.
So the reason we call it that was because this a lot there are inferior tribunals like the legal term and being as Elections Commission, to some extent soon Africa General, as soon as attorney general, or as you may establish, if you really think about it, spsp is in some ways kind of an inferior tribunal. So should we change the word final Supreme. Yeah, That's probably saved it to final Supreme
that doesn't okay it's a bottle Supreme.
That's the court, that's actually what
the supreme is it should be changed the article.
Yeah Supreme Judicial. Yeah.
Yeah. Supreme supreme power the Supreme Court.
I am the supreme
for all of y'all section one American Horror
mean it's conceivable as some government grows with our thing with lower student governments there's more inferior tribunals
Yeah, because eventually you're going to have student governments may choose to have their own internal disputes and this
is a core, why does it sound
like we are the Supreme Judicial. What do you think, is that true.
Okay, sounds right this I don't know,
the Supreme Court. Yeah, the court above all courts.
Interpret all sorts of the governing documents we as UCI don't have the power to interpret the Constitution.
They do have the power to interpret all of them, the elections code, things like that. I think the problem we have right now is not that they have the power to interpret all parts. It's the standing requirement, which is in the past, they didn't have petitions and they were drafting,
so they can
cancel the bylaws strictly if they have.
So yes, if it if they'd have to have a remedy they would have to have harm, they've helped out things like that. Yeah. And of course, Senate that
constraint makes it reasonable, I guess,
yeah one quick thing looking at this section one clause. And any matters delegated to the judicial board by
where, and any matters. It's section one it's not the number one it's the section. Oh, I'm so it, the there was an acknowledgement here we were unsure if you just board was going to operate as an appellate or original authority overlay elections code. So it's however the senate decides to appropriate that up, and then why these enumerated powers. I will change every word judicial, what, you know, these enumerated powers from the power going to numerated are there. So, no, no, the duties weren't new gotcha. Yeah. Powers was to be degraded.
So, so now they got to go through basically a process in order to even get to
whatever the senate decides that processes. Yes.
A numerated means specific so as stated it also implies that there are branches of powers from that, so you never have everything enumerated, you have certain things enumerated what you tend to act as the class, very similar the US Constitution enumerated powers of Congress to regulate commerce but what is regulating commerce means
50 years case law. All right.
Second one, what is your, why is it as permitted by the governing document so that means like governing documents limit the judicial grief judicial relief that the judicial. Oh, so this specifies according to Robert's if they can issue fines. So one of the ideas was for instance, in the elections code right now it's either. basically, you're suspended or you're not in the future you want it to be like, well, if you do this crime you could choose between suspension and a $50 fine or something, it simply gives you that option.
Okay. I don't know how can they do this they would have signs left, or do not do that as a student by the grant,
well they can't force you to pay it. You would have to choose to pay it or you'd be suspended then what's the
point of granting it
because you could choose between paying it and being suspended. As a member, you
wouldn't be able to,
it would be a decision like Senate, I would imagine the other way would be is given proportional options to executives. So for instance, let's say somebody Sue's an executive office, and I can imagine some senate simply because senate won't implement any the law under this, but let's say Senate, let's say you to Shay, tell somebody go buy me $50 with pizza they go buy $50 pizza and he's like yeah, we're good at we're not actually paying on reimbursing you, they could go to judicial board and judicial board could required to Shay's office paid $50 in reverse,
they will need the requirement but they need to require proof that it was even for
yeah of course I will. They will have to go with it. Oh, yeah, they'd have to go through trial and
how does this relate to. Number two, again,
because judicial relief is their ability to apply that relief I there's a big question in case president, all the way back to mentor to can. The judicial board, give you different forms of relief proportional relief,
every investor should be guaranteed No,
well who's going to guarantee it what happens right.
The Human Resources be available they're
not matter knives over them that they want to do any, like if, what are they going to say they're gonna say, go back to one of the offices and ask whatever challenging president has like the final power. Yeah, so it's like,
oh, there's no there's no paperwork process the reimbursement is there
there there is a paperwork process that has to code, depending on what it is so come Senate or school through Ross
came up again it is not a go at that without administrative professionals district to see that this one goes to students
really number two is, I'll just give you some examples. The point is it gets deferred back to Senate to make the concise policy decision. And that's what Roberts asks if you want anything other than basically Roberts only gives you three judicial options which is what we have right now. You can be censored. You can be expelled or suspended, there's nothing else you can do.
Okay, that's fine. Yeah,
So, why would they need to issue injunctions.
Um, for example davante case, his campaign got suspended.
And if they hadn't issued an injunction he wouldn't have been able to campaign for the base, basically.
Yeah, it can be interrupted by other things, so the current constitution, it also will get to one second. It also provides injunctions against upfront uncaught so let's say, let's say the Senate passed a resolution that says, Bryce your band. And Bryce, you can no longer attend meetings, you can't vote. Now, rice could go to judicial board he could try to get that overturned but your sport trials take weeks. So is Bryce gonna potentially not be on Senate for weeks.
So he would ask for an injunction so that it's resolved
sooner. Yes, a preliminary injunction there are other types of injunctions well another type of injunction is, once they make a ruling they can actually order you to do it. In fact in European courts, the question is like can courts actually Orbeez do something, or they just giving declaratory statements.
Under is anyone going to know.
Yeah. I think this is more of an important point for very specific cases.
Okay, so the odds with injunction scan, I raise my hand. Oh, you are first
yes to an injunction an injunction is an order. So usually in court courts will issue orders to comply with legal criteria. So if the court says, you may not remove Mr rice, without an impeachment charge and trial. The order the injunction would be. You are hereby ordered to reinstate Mr. Price effective immediately without the injunction they'd be like, well, Bryce will be on next week, or you'll be on effective 10 days from now.
okay let me ask you, so what is the process two issues in a job because it sounds like it was happening somebody's going to give priority to that person, and just ignore.
Roberts up and jority vote, they can issue the injunction.
But that but so that depends on the agenda No.
Well, no, technically, they could just suspend the rules and happen pass by two thirds, that they have unanimous number of justice want in any given case they can issue the injunction. But here's thing you don't understand. It's not like it'd be unexpected somebody's still going to petition them, and there's going to be responses to the petition, and then it's going to be ordered quick question are we changing every judicial board to Supreme Judicial board. Yeah, so we need to reconcile that here I was control that.
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There's no fundamental assumptions,
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new for wearing Walmart clothes.
All right, let's continue on the song record people as traditional power. Okay, so we now have the Supreme Judicial board. I'm still confused about the injections. Okay, so the injunction is an order in a preliminary injunction you haven't had a trial yet, but it's to prevent something called as menteur called it irreparable harm. For instance, if the Elections Commission says your campaign is suspended, but there's only a week left of campaigning, you don't have time to go before a trial and prove all the legal nuances because that will take two weeks of in and of itself. So you get a preliminary injunction to stop your suspension while the trial is pending.
So this protects you.
Yeah, from government action any heartless cookie give. Sure. Let's say I go before the judicial board and say, I don't like this senator and a majority of just for justice agree, and they decide to suspend their voting rights despite of being absolutely unconstitutional Jewish board basically declares themselves plutocracy, and here's my answer to that, if they do that impeach them, and we lower the impeachment standard for that reason.
So 12345 now.
So order disclosure of information.
Six appoint a special prosecutor, yeah.
Okay, so that's like, so special prosecutor,
or special prosecutor special prosecutor is in case the, and this has been something talked a lot about this year, not saying it is relevant this year but couldn't do that if the student aka general is not really present to do something that and the juice board things it's like so pressing, but absolutely cannot do something because the standing rule, they can appoint a special prosecutor, that's actually I'll give some real life examples the Clinton. Prosecutor ken starr was appointed by the courts.
When you specify that that judicial board cannot appoint one of themselves as special prosecutor seeing that just inherent to Robert's Rules of Order okay.
Okay, so I was like
yes don't like we're going to pay for, let's, she has a question yes
disclosure would be like if your office is holding something and it's needed an investigation, they could tell your office to give it to them. Like receive receipts, I'll give you another example. Let's say one of your officers has been using your public account has not been using in a responsible manner. But now that they're being called out not using and responsible matter. It goes to judicial board just work until you give me your account. Not ignite your private accounts obviously it's not purely your public account,
seven games playing. Um, yeah you guys can yeah I can go because you can specify.
Yeah. Does anybody object on seven.
Okay so this makes Jay Ward seven.
Yes, it'll make it seven. So they actually it is going to keep the same number. The reason there's couple reasons. One of them where we want to grandfather. And the question is, well, you can start kicking people off the judicial board right now into the next lower down to five and
I think it should be three associates. So far,
the reason we have it at seven is because this power so great. We want it to be harder to implement some stuff like injunctions.
And why don't we have
trying to balance the difficulty with the necessity for a kind of.
We also small talk
to extra people do though.
Jewish people want too much you increase the number if you want to limit their power, but I think are changing their pietschmann standard already does that significantly actually
wait question where it says, five Associate Justice is like should be like a maximum
robbery section two first, so they wouldn't have to section two first all cases coming for the judicial board must be properly supreme judge board must be filed and at minimum have a controversy and judicial remedy to include controversies part of the harm. And as have a traditional remedy, it cannot have. So a lot of people like as Mr Wiley had inferred earlier have like political problems. Well, there's no judicial remedy.
So Chief Justice.
OK, so section three. Okay section
three in Section two, can you change coming to rot.
Plus we properly filed.
I think that's important because it's what is more technical. There's some notice requirement to it, things like that. It
was no no
commitment for change throughout support.
Okay. That make sense. Yeah, it's kind of Old English verbiage I guess that it's the verbiage Roberts kinda
cases can be wrong.
It's fine. Does anybody object inserting the word brought
all cases, raw
before the Supreme Judicial board must be properly file and must have a controversy and judicial remedy. All right. Section three, has changed. Section three has not changed. Yes, we're calling him supreme now he's calling the supreme Chief Justice of Chief now just Chief Justice, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court you don't say supreme Chief Justice yeah it's just the chief justice,
okay. I'm okay with this,
I guess, going back to what I was saying, for where it says five Associate Justices like. Should we have like a maximum or like
so Robert's Rules states that when there's a specific enumeration, you can't do more than that. Yeah. That is true. You can do less. So there is the Senate. Okay, only appointed three that'd be okay. Yeah,
yeah. Evolution associate Genesis is then is like, how many there is
the senate from appointing one and giving,
there's minimum quorum requirements and Senate, the judicial board will issue an injunction against them. It's a problem we have now actually with impeaching all the justices if you impeach anyone on the board right now the whole government shuts down until you reappoint for which we change because that's ridiculous,
which we've already in process will take two weeks because of the time period in between two of you applications.
Yeah. Yes, I'm still forward by Associate Justice. Okay, let's make it yes vote on it.
All right. All those in favor of striking five, Associate Justice and inserting re Associate Justices, please raise your hand.
All those opposed.
All those abstaining. So on a vote of 12521, this bails mark on the minutes, do we really want to refer this to Senate.
There's two practical. The first practical would be if this constitution pass you our provision would have to say which just says right now or being kicked off
the judicial board,
what's the minimum forum and
in the what. Yeah. Oh majority, so it would make it so three set three justice would have to meet. Yeah. So three justices. vs. vs. Four yeah you can get in fact three justice just met and signed a piece of paper they can issue an injunction versus four. Four is harder.
That's the logic it's
also harder to break yes like two two versus three words just like two and one. Yeah.
Sorry, it's intentionally, that
the chief justice. Chief Justice will be, will be a voting member and so they will
count as Chief Justice break ties.
Okay, so they will still be for people to meet as doing Kimbo.
So if you're tied, like, or to create a time. So, two people vote one way and one person looks the other way, the Chief Justice can vote create the tie. Okay, I see if three people vote one way then the Chief Justice can't vote, where should not
election for appointment.
Okay section four pointment to be nominated by the executive committee or as otherwise specified its constitution and confirmed by two thirds vote in the Senate.
Same thing. Section five staff Jewish Ward may hire staff stipends confirmation by the Senate, maybe clerks occasionally.
All right, we we've totally handled judicial board elections. Yes, we have. Elections Commission, the elections commissioner has all these enumerated powers. The plant, we're going to have to cut down this law. I think the plan to manage the elections and stuff like that is the same as to employment here to the elections code to anybody for Strike, Strike one over two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does anybody post a striking one, is there a power is. Yeah.
Same thing is one once.
If the description says that they have the authority. And in related to the elections could do even need what
isn't in the description. Anyway, that's true. Yeah, but usually we list them out just for people's future judicial boards, you never know.
Is enforcing candidate disclosure requirements in the election.
Yeah. So can we say Is anybody opposed to striking two.
I'm just trying to know so
is it the same as.
Yes. Yeah, it's there's no difference between him like
if you're forcing something you're implementing it
kind of thing is imminent here diligence called me back and mean, that's vague that can be either. I can literally meet other people.
It's, it's, that's very strange. What do you mean, explain literally,
it doesn't say who
it is. Elections Commission, Commissioner who then quit other thing to who they invented the commission to change elections commissioners elections collections commission, because it's a it's a body
party implementing it to the
also the house is running in the
hallway they can't run themselves number.
Okay, we're deleting number two.
Okay, that's part of the elections code. That's number two.
Yeah. Okay. Can you read it to try to just say which numbers I'm part of that just goes away and
the only reason you keep number two is, in theory, if the senate deleted that, do you think they should still have that power. That might be a good thing to leave in there.
which number two, so it when you give them a direct democracy petition. So, in our current constitution. Let's say you want to recall someone from office, and you get 200 students signatures, well they need to, you know, confirm those are actual students and you just didn't forge them all in there.
invalidating is a long process so usually they will randomly select a number of students, and send them an email and confirm or if it's online they'll confirm their ID numbers or things like that.
Number three included in the elections.
Anybody object to number three getting rid of.
Number fours are dumped in the other two.
I don't think number I think number fours oh there's no staff permission. So, the difference here is their staff provision, their staff we hired without senate consent. Because the deputies is already specified. Yeah,
so they can hire like limitless interns.
Anyone could hire a limitless intern.
Yeah, but they don't need
approval. Only the deputies commission which are the voting members of the board, and they're going to be constrained to what how much senate appropriates to them.
Technically No, like you don't have to approve your interns. Exactly. Yeah, because that would take senate forever. It would
Yeah, let's get rid of interns and let's just put to hire staff as needed. Anybody object to that. Okay.
Okay. So does anybody have any problems with this one. Where's the entrance
for, I don't know.
No tears flat opds. That's what I'm saying correctly, seems
to have staff, isn't subject to confirmation. So if you're paying them their staff, if you're not paying them their insurance, but here with it, since you're hiring staff and the ads confirmed by the Senate, no it just be however much your budget how much you want to pay your staff $1.
So be it.
We are unquestionable ground work for small grounds given the state legislature has passed a law that says we're not allowed to have contractors anymore. I don't know where that puts us I'm sure a court probably find in our favor discover student government and there are there are limit cons, there are legal limits on like universities have a lot of basically statutory exclusions. So the university doesn't have to abide by the government in general, actually, for instance, the federal government has said the government does not need to pay in terms, ever.
So, not for no there was a build cars for their staff. So like any like within Congress, all of their stuff.
No, but their interns are don't have to pay in Congress, yeah. When did that happen. years ago.
And I'm very sure,
because I was in Congress, like, two years ago and I remember not being paid a dime, but
hope Yeah right, I'm pretty sure like it's been within this.
all that legal counsel hot with our minimum wage frogs. I don't know what we would do if we had to comply by minimum wage, we would have to fire a lot.
We would have to go with the, what's that
type of government I'm
actually gonna go with that because you just have to stone.
Fire labels like that most most, most of everybody
record this we're not saying we are not following minimum wage laws, simply saying our council has not advised us otherwise.
All right. Section two, Does anybody have a problem with with section two and section three we
just had a question, does it work properly with four W's do they need that many.
Yeah, I can be a happy job because they have to analyze every single campaign and monitor that even on Facebook and stuff like that occasionally depending on the elections code
section three appointment.
Yeah. All right, Article nine really present on it. A lot of questions on
You got it all set up.
Alright so in 2016. I love this sec I passed a my UCI referendum. And what that did was, As you can see here, it increases. So this is a proposed fee increase it wasn't 05 dollars at the beginning, an increase of $5 per year. This year is $33. Last year it was 28, just type in UCI fees you can look at the archive and went up $5 each year. Next year it's gonna go up another $5 and $38 per quarter. And finally, another $5 to $43 per quarter and it's going to increase my like Nicole, I believe. So over the next two years. asec I will be receiving around like 580, to $600,000 each year, on top of our current operating budget. When this was passed, one of the reasons why students voted on it. And as you see I ran this referendum as well. It was like a sec I funded it right here funds student groups, this referendum will support the 600 plus student org by increasing the funding and travel grants. There was this 2016.
I think was 2015 2016 school.
And, permitting right and the question is how much.
And so, students voted for this with the expectation that this referendum will provide more funds to their student org, just like SPF. Right now, kci gives $170,000 to spsp. This would be another. So this is like another $600,000 on top of that 1.6 million. So what this bill does is if he read it. Here, as we see it shall appropriate one third of the annual ncci budget. After career salaries and benefits for use is GSM media professional staff and sem administrative expense expenditures, so let me pull up their budget. What that saying is, it's not straight off the top because there's the 700,000 or $900,000 in the ncci Pro staff salaries as well as admin expenses so if you look closely here. This is all of our income. So we have like $2,430,000, then there's other income, which, as well as student program income, which comes out to a like 2,682,000. Then we have career employees. After that, there is these admin expenses, which are all mercury employees admin expenses, which leaves us, the student government with like $1,650,000. And that's where this mind is broken down into. So as you can imagine. Next year we would have $2,225,000, and then within two years. So, if you were to take one third of the $2,200,000 you'd get $733,000, if you do the math we're giving clubs 170 grand right now. We're going to be getting 500 and at the $600,000 more within the next two years, that would come out to 750 grand. So by doing this. Oh, and then, and then the bill legislation breaks that down further, to 60%, to be allocated schools proportionally by the number of undergraduate students, and school administration to allocate funds respective school affiliated clubs, and then 40% deallocate, non affiliated are CEOs. So this right here would be like SPF means SPF SPF be would have like $293,000 $440,000 would go to schools based off the percentage of students, and as we said, this is to begin developing the student government's there. So you can see here number schools. If you divide that by this large number here, you get a certain percentage. So art school for example we get 10,000 biocide we get 60, the highest one, the social science. The reason why we're giving them more funds, is because Student Council puts on an event for the whole school versus a club that puts on an event for their club members and maybe some other people, but you can imagine like 6000 students the social sciences have to serve. I can see probably like $30,000 going to social science to run events throughout the year. And I will leave 60 Grand 64 gram, two clubs within social science, the reason why I'm doing this is because it would be very difficult for one funding board to allocate $733,000 but if you break it down to the schools themselves. Then schools or school affiliate clubs like would go to their schools, it's very local, it's much more efficient, and this will also free up a lot of funds for non school affiliated clubs and $293,000.
So we're not affiliated clubs
or ideally it'll be through spsp. So, not feeling.
Yes, exactly to be SPF V or maybe you want to treat two funding boards, maybe you have one as one for
you know maybe as we can think of two different funding, or it's focusing on two different types of things right
one for example.
Yeah, we will probably get rid of the Senate, because the senate shouldn't really be doing any bureaucratic procedures. It is not implementing the why you can see like we're struggling to get si FC up and running, is because like, we shouldn't we shouldn't be doing that it was silly because they should have changed. spfs bylaws that they don't like instead of creating a new funding board, which will do.
But yeah, so this is the way I envisioned it. As you see guys budget wouldn't get smaller like it would just stay the same as it is right now. So, I see it as keeping the promise made in 2016. I think students would really enjoy it, they're like well as UCI gives all these funding opportunities to us.
The best way to serve students is where they are at UCI that seems like they're in clubs over 600 clubs.
So like allocated like proportionally like
that way. Just keep in account, like for example like. If a school has like more clubs like say like was like to like school right and one has like they have like the similar amount of students, but one has a lot more like clubs and organizations and stuff going on. Do they still receive like the same amount
of funding total is just based off enrollment, just because I think that's like the fairest way like each person like each person is equal to that much dollars because of
a lot more like clubs and stuff. You're correct
but it's also, we would have to credit formula counted for differences in clubs I think everybody can agree every human is equal, but we can't agree that every club is equal like anyone is decided dormice club with, I think there's like before, 250 active members and I mean when versus like speech and debate has Fox. So they're, they're just, it's hard when you start getting into like these merit based decisions who who's the one to oppose that. The other thing too is, we, we didn't want to force student councils onto people. That's why we're calling them registered campus organizations, because each student council is technically an RCO like everyone is technically RCO no matter what they call themselves except for ncci. So I didn't want to force like for example you look these really small schools like, like, nursing, right, like zero, I think they have like 200 people, you can get like 20 $500 I don't want to force them to create a student council. I'd rather they have a club at the school like allocates funds to for them to put on like a event for the whole
now they're in there.
So that was my idea, I want to get your guys's opinion also looking at the bill. Switch
back to please send us that supplemental information
calculator the my UCI
can play around with it.
My question is pertaining to what it says. When it says that school administrators allocate the funds have school administrators agreed to allocate the funds in the first place
so we have a couple answers. The first one, it's not gonna be a problem, it seems like engineering and bio science, I like that. The social science scene has been a little inactive. But yes, they generally have. If they don't want to, then it's going to go back into student. It's going to go back into SEC is reserves, and then it'll be up to the executive in the Senate to parse that
out So would it be more appropriate also just say that it should be okay to educate the rotations, and or skills school counselors, but just in case because it's still because either way
the school counselors are under their school, I still believe the school
counselors I'm guessing they're still ran by
me let me explain how the engineering student council model works. So, currently the student council has a President's Council which is the president of every single engineering affiliate organization, they meet, they actually help them like collaborative events on, but the dean, the School of Engineering gives some, like engineering student council funds to then allocate to P Council, so P council sends proposals to them. And then, engineering city council goes through the proposals and says this caucus as much this club is this much this club gets this much. The reason why like it goes administration is kind of like a check and balance in the sense that the. It's like okay Why did you give all $20,000 this one club and not the other one. The second thing too is if if you to create a funding for you have to mandate a student council. So therefore, like you're mandating it really we want to develop, we are beginning the slow process of developing the student government's in each school engineering is ready. Social Sciences is gone, but we're beginning the process, especially because they're going to have so much money after this, of getting those things active and the social science team will want this sounds like they're going to say no to money. Yes, I think, yes.
perfect that yeah yeah reserves and I think I did it's over half a million. Yeah, exactly, that's maladministration, yeah. The problem is more so with the people in that government, and here's I'd say after we broadcast this, I think more people in the social sciences should begin to demand action on behalf their student council,
that's that's the current plan, the current plan right now is to be great things Advisory Council complete throw it out, something's not working for everyone. And we build it this week currently two different visions to what they want to go but the general consensus right now is that all school social science is going to be giving more money. The Council is going to be allocating more money to those clubs. That's
very much like all departments important right now as he received 30 grand a year. Apparently they already agreed to give 100 for next school yeah so like we don't even have a council for anyone for instance has had so much trouble working with the count the council right now is basically not to speak poorly of them, but that it's really maladministration, they're all everyone who's currently in the deans Advisory Council. The nice, the nice thing about this is that people come and go, Dean's come and go with different ideas like the engineering teams leaving hopefully he's focused on undergrads and projects might just be totally about research, the business student council they lost funds, this year. So this funding will like be something that's consistent system. And those funds that they're going to give can go to the social science school, like, like those funds, the 30 grand or whatever, they can spend that other ways on social science students, so it's not like it's not some schools, it's just like the fluctuation some schools lose funds. Some schools might gain funds, people come and say oh let's not give them 100 grand let's give them 25 grand because I want to spend 75 grand on my pet project, or do you think it would be important like later on, just as far as like, Okay, we did say gentlemen.
You questions. Firstly, can you go back to the little thing from the reference,
I use Yeah,
yeah, cuz I've been.
Knowing the people that ran that referendum one of the intentions was to pay interns.
There we go.
Does it have anything about pace.
I think they said late fees.
Because one of the intentions was to pay interns because as of now we technically use free labor.
I'm wondering how,
because I know there was a bill last year in estimating how much it would be to pay interns. And when it would be around that 700. So I think that's something to consider are we still allowing for free labor.
And then after that, we also after the 1.1 million bill was brought to the student government luncheon. There was
one of the administrators Dean from like,
what's that guy on the six power, yeah i think i think so don't. Don't hold me accountable.
name is case but one of the,
one of the. It was Michael Bennett Yeah, she had expressed Student Affairs concern with why a CCI is she is giving up money that they would pull funds. So this would set a precedent for Student Affairs for departments for schools to pull out funds if we are giving funds so that's something to keep in account, because like you said the business schools cut and funding, who's to say that this allocated funding wouldn't give a precedent to the schools of like well if they're getting funding elsewhere. Let's just pull out, pull out.
So, like you said, ESC gets funds, I think biocides Student Council gets funds
from their departments from their schools. So those schools could start pulling out funds if they're getting funds elsewhere and quite frankly it seems like they would. And we've heard a bit about that may happen.
just really quick things. I'm sorry.
Yeah, but if it's on that point
yes. I think if we add some type of cause within that to say like the schools have to need us some portion of it because like we're not
completely can't make it a school to give money.
Well, not, not necessarily to
say that they like to mandate that they give the money, but
saying a minimum threshold. The problem is, Dean's change constantly and some of them might Skype man, I don't care. We're just, I want to give money to my pet project is Bryce
mock trial happened.
That is actually a mock drop and then that's the same way, our undergraduate Law Review died. So it kind of, it does fluctuate. Anyway, I don't think this would permanently take away funds and as I said, the main goal of this 60% especially is to get a infrastructure for student government specifically, so that can be incorporated into the school I think this is a very much a student council oriented bill Arceus part of it but almost the RCO non affiliated non school affiliate stuff is going to spmd anyway. I haven't heard any admins Associate Vice has talked about Luke's talk to them to objecting on SPM be.
Yeah there I don't see I don't see any problems with spsp. As long as there's marketing for it. I think that's the main issue this year. But another thing is, if you go back to the numbers I asked.
I'll drop the Excel sheet.
One of that is if the intention is to build soon governments. By if you're doing it by population, those who already have student governments end up getting more money, so like the art school and he gets 10,000 to build a student government, as well as nursing would only get what 2000 to build a
house and that's how we left it open to where they end up not having a student council, that's totally okay as well like the art students are like, I don't want to student council I just want to have my art club and we get funds for our art projects each year, like I'm totally okay with that. I think the most
equal way to do it is just by numbers, because then there's no like judgment calls on like why are these people receiving more funds when they have less you know it's just like it's equal throughout the tour there's
no arguing. Like are you saying as far as like to, to essentially give more funding to something like art so that they could be,
well, if the, if the true intention is to build more student governments, why wouldn't you give more money to those who don't have it,
because they're soon governments will be smaller. Anyway, um, the art student government's going to be much smaller does require less resources than the engineering or
I will have to actually agree with that because that was the conversation that I was having with Amy as well, which she's the VP finance Radiesse, and I'm sorry not the refinance. I forget her position. But, essentially because like she she PhD candidate in art school, and was kind of discussing kind of like, it would be great but essentially to that same point that you know folks wouldn't even have the capacity to do that because like her like to be involved with in that student government because of the, like, they have like very long hours that they have to do like for projects or like for an event or whatever and then they go back home to do homework, as well as, like, go to work and stuff. So, just to say like I can agree like I think chip incentivize providing more money to those that would essentially not have as of now and then maybe like work on trying to like balance it out, as time goes on.
Okay, let's go first with Wiley then with Iman.
Okay, two things I want to do either one first I just dropped it in the chat, is it plausible for us to make what aspect does was such as the school council director council organizations, as he does request money for an entire year data 60% is, we will give 60% to the schools, but you had to request, you had to request a certain amount instead of us just doing
the most anyone short of like the legislature. As you see, I just yearly budgets, but a we spent a long time on them, we have a pretty big bureaucracy to sort that out. I think most governments would be extremely hampered if we attached an annual budget provision, who to say your annual budget visit provision is sufficient. I think the big problem is budgets are political thing, more so than a legal mechanism, unless you want. I think it just be too much bureaucracy to do that because then you're also asking for support. Well, what's the sufficient condition to having a good budget like, do you have to have a look. Even as you see it doesn't do line item appropriations for our annual budget that just be insane right like to shoot we're not appropriating today's pizza budget for a specific meeting or. We're not even appropriating like specific event funding we might do general categories for events, we fund commissions, we fund commissions general categories, not full, and we dive in and then I have a second. Okay.
Yes. My second question is, what is the difference between a, a organization that's under a like an allocated to school based organizations versus non school affiliate organization to be the difference
so usually our CEOs that are with schools have permission by the dean, and they officially for one like you, me when they take on UCI directly so you're not in a club at UCI you are inside club. Okay I'm about
to say guys also say so, that's being for example to examine humanity teach African American soccer college course and as African psychology Association here, would they be counted a school thing or
are they we filed with the school. That's
why Okay, that's why I was wondering,
and that's the other thing too, it would be like, kind of awkward like, Oh yeah, I'm the anime club I'm like engineering, giving you funds for you unless you wanted them to approach them, right, like the approach like humanity. What I said is like the neck, man, I would just go to SPF anyways for for would be manatees and are what course teach them
to be part of the school like notes. No, there's no class for protocol on the United Nations, there's like generalize studies of it just like there's generalized art studies or humanities studies on Japanese, I'm sure there's Jeff Murray right or contemporary Japanese culture that's built for you right if you look up here. Right.
I don't just the overall concept of the problem is I just don't think we have the infrastructure, set up for this type of stuff just yet. I understand your attention is to help please actually start pulling the ball with this. But even then, I would say the one third was not wonder what to do I know budget spend too much. And that goal is to build up clubs
to build their infrastructure,
it should be directed more to the ones who don't have much already, but yeah. One sec school social science that they're really serious about their big some big investments for others
for the council.
Well they're applying to for the next school year. And it's just like, it's, again, I spoke to the guy he was just like so. Would you actually be interested in funding the offer to you, he's like no, we don't we don't have we have way too much money we don't know what we're doing. And we're going to get more apparently next year.
So I rather it goes to like School of Education School of Humanities and try and build up their infrastructure more. But again, I think one third is a lot of different point. But one third is not, it's
too much another hand up, then let's go with Amanda.
Oh, come on.
Some other things, so I still want to reiterate, on the record that
while this passes were still participating in labor. Secondly, it also doesn't say it's just as you see I shall appropriate but I'd like to emphasize that we don't have infrastructure So would that mean people are going to the front desk like what does that entail it doesn't like I'm not sure how you all wouldn't give out that money when they come to send it over raw. And because of the proportions not seeming as equitable by populations just because some schools don't have it, like, like I said I don't I really don't think nursing could even make, like, if the true intention is to make student councils in each school I really don't think nursing can do that with $2,000 to take. So maybe another option is just allocating more to SV A, B, and then giving Svf be in their new bylaws or whatever saying that they have to spend half of it on student councils, or 40% on student councils or something like that. I think that might end up being a bit better because that infrastructure already exists and that helps with equity because there's an application process and interview process that crash
so let's finish convocation. Okay, yes.
Um, so, basically like, for example, we go to the school of education were like hey, here's some money to start building your infrastructure or whatever and they don't want it
does it just go instilling into reserves. Who okay so how depends, did you mean by your budget budget that was set off for them specifically, oh yeah, that will just go into the year it go we offer. Are you saying like the money like for like, say, like, student counts or
just like the money in general. So basically department themselves didn't want to select later or something so for example like we have the black missions conference like we have like 10,000 allocated to that. Being that there is potential for it to be on the fence whether or not we either have it or not. If that money basically like if we don't have that, that we don't use that funds, it will either like we would either reallocate it towards somewhere else within our budget, where that wouldn't need the supplemental funds to another office or, and then at the end of the year it's not whatever is not used then that'll go to the
I guess. Yeah, Amanda Sorry, sorry.
I think this is really the best way to split it up because we can't really ensure that normally happens, we don't have a bureaucracy to go and investigate all these different areas and see which is better than the other and make that judgment call so I think, just to allocate the money based on population is going to be straightforward. And they all, they also have other avenues of getting funds. So, that could be
all right let's go Yeah,
but yeah, I mean kind of going off of what she was saying like, kind of what I was saying about like you know like what the school is some of them you know already. You know how like certain things whatever and like kind of take that into consideration. My only problem with that is like once you start like getting into like the specifics and you know like trying to figure out like you know which which schools need more like that becomes a very subjective and like, I just think this is a more like effective
will just do a round robin because everybody's super hot. So we'll just go to show, Bryce me We'll just go around the
circle, what I think would be a potential good compromise is we do we kind of slip, like for. Give me like five years max like, you know, to make sure that these systems are completely developed and you know allows for some type of institutional memory within. And then at that point. Depending on the clause, or depending on by how things are kind of looking, Then, at that point, it could revert to this method to kind of create the equity because to go back to where I've been in general, we're talking about like social science, already has the money so it wouldn't essentially make sense to give them more money now when they don't need it. So, but obviously you know as the funds like like they would be receiving a smaller portion, if they even, you know, requested or not. As that time goes on, like, they may then be in that additional funding because if the dean were to say like, you know, they kind of offer whatever the case is, you know, like I'm just more so trying to think to develop that structure because exactly like, because now really trying to think, specifically with the arts like you know by giving them that additional funding it would allow for them to improve their, their funding for their events or whatever that you know dairy struggling to do or for the student council itself to exist because then they would be able to be paid within the system. so they wouldn't have to be doing multiple jobs to and adding this as an additional
price. I think the main purpose of this even more broadly, is to just support students. One of the ways its students are supported are through student councils. That's why we're giving them like larger sums. But we're not mandated to have a student council so for example arts. There's no pressure on them to create a student council they can have pottery club, etc and receive funds that way for their projects I think that's like the main focus and in the end like once things get going. Each school is at the beginning and might be a little. Some schools have advantage of course because he exists, but that's actually a good thing because we're going to after we passed this, we will model, like we're going to get together student councils, we're going to come up with constitutions for them. We're going to come up with like best practices events to put on like everything kind of like, here it is, go for it. I don't see anyone saying no to money either. But if they were to it you can just imagine like, say, the art school said no to the $10,000 or 2500 and whatever it was, I think was 10,000, then you can just expect $10,000 more each year for this budget.
Really quick point I'll make this super brief, um, I also just wanted to also go back to the point that john brought up as well because what a part of this also does kind of seem concerning to me as well, is that it seems like technically we're kind of like contracting out labor to help out so
yeah okay so I understand the free labor point, um, there's a lot of problems with specifically paying interns. I think the major problem paying interns is you're gonna have to start approving all the budget through the Senate so now instead of, we're going to prove like 300 some people per year and then I
would have to contend the human resources on Mars are all 300 and,
again, I don't know how many, how many human beings and we want to monitor 300 plus people.
And I mean, there's. I don't want to say we're paid properly, but even if we pay them, we're paying them garbage, we're paying them way below minimum wage let's just be honest. Honestly the money any of us are paid is nothing. It doesn't even pay food bills. We wouldn't, we wouldn't need to pay charge like Santa Barbara level, money and to actually pay students even minimum wage. True. So, it, I actually feel like this I kind of, I don't want to say it's manipulative what we do right now but by giving us even a little bit of money we all now feel an obligation actually show up and constantly do things, despite the fact we are not being paid our time so I'm probably like for the amount of time I put into Student Government per one I'm paid is probably like realistically like four to five bucks an hour,
Ross I mean that's you and
that is where some people don't. Exactly, exactly. Interns aren't going to be paid. I'm probably one of the higher because I have so many jobs and some government I'm also probably one of the higher paid ones interns are going to be paid.
500 a year maybe. Are you all in favor of inserting undergraduate majority,
because there could be a graduate RCO like graduate student RCO we just wanted to clarify that graduate students want to, we don't want graduates who don't pay into it like taking fun.
That's impossible. I can't do anything like anything pertaining to undergraduate student funds or fees that we receive it would not be able to be,
it just it just suggests graduates.
Yes, that are through certain schools and it gets confusing too because we only want to count undergraduate students but there are a lot. There are some undergrad programs that have graduate students in them but we only want to count the undergrads. So, like anyone has someone has some grad students in it, but we don't count them,
no I hear like like as far as for clarification sense but yeah just saying that
you wouldn't want like a graduate students okay undergrad join our club. Yeah, okay, just, does anybody have any objections inserting undergraduate majority colored. Yeah. All right. Okay going finishing my point. Um, so that's kind of my, my take on in terms I did view it. There was a really large debate on it last year, my other problem was categorizing them because when you have paid staff and really supposed to give them specific duties so we know we're paying them for. We don't really give it in terms of civic duties we're kind of just helping them to stuff very generally. I think we need an enormous infrastructure change to pay every intern Wiley's, you need 10 Wiley's probably
no myself okay monster up to 100 to 60 people I have no problem okay so we need you need at least two for one or two other people that'll be about it at most 3334 100 people each that's fine that's doable. Okay so, um,
no offense, there's not many Wiley's on campus. I mean if
they can't I mean seriously. Realistically speaking to monitor more to get more emails from all these offices and still get paid next to nothing and still have two other jobs that don't drop me don't have a car I kinda
pointed the matter is already on my onto my second point, the vision here is to develop student governments now part of the vision, part of the vision yeah the region just supports. Yeah. So, with the schools and sports and governments, while social science already has student government, and they be getting more social as somebody who is in way too many social science clubs. They are not supported at all by the school and, but even once they are your money isn't going to isn't going to go that far. You're going to need at least triple it to make an impact and supported by the school like in way. Some, some Islamic circle, our governments are appropriate to something. It changes rapidly though. So like me when is an RCO in the school, we don't get a dime of school money. When you start your student Gov. We're going to be asking for money. That means your student Gov starts losing money for their events. This kind of helps offset that, because in larger places that already have clubs, they're going to need to appropriate more so like social science gets more because everyone so large and they have to get the Prague and end up having to give everyone will take at least 20 K, like, they will at least try to push for that because they're running overseas conferences, they're, they're trying to do conferences here with like 1000 people at the conferences are to say well no conferences are enormously expensive bringing the speaker is like 70, honestly I don't know how you're doing conference only $10,000
she was seen as five that was more so we're allocating the rest of it supposed to be like, from external,
but you get the point right as a big speakers cost 75 to $10,000 right. And everyone tries to bring big speakers who want to bring somebody from like the actual un so that that kind of justifies the differentiation between school budgets, I do agree maybe arts needs more because I can also imagine a play being super expensive to put on. I don't know if our CEOs to own their own place right right and a they don't put on their own plays, be they get tickets. See they can always apply. They can also apply for money. I think our discussion on how we should reform spsp to make it more inclusive should either have to do with making more types of boards or lessening the restrictions and creating some different types of petition areas, but that's a discussion for spsp, not so much this,
we definitely need some checks and balances on sq. Yeah.
We're going to revise it,
and we can we can think of ways to break spmt
up into more than one funding. Officer in a machine feature Wiley, or mine You know, we're gonna finish this discussion. Jenna you'll be the last speaker on we're just gonna vote on it because we need to move on, it's again.
Yeah, yeah 1038 yeah my thing is my question is for each school. Yeah. How many, how many of these register organizations have school affiliate organizations in each and every school, for example is nursing is getting 2020 $500 and ism, and they don't have a student counselor, they don't have enough students, okay, but it had these registered candle organizations, but they have morning tea and they have 200 students, they steal they could have more they have way more than once to capital
linearization artists in their retro camps organizations are small, so they won't need like anyone has
potentially hundreds buddy within medical expenses still medical expenses, medical requirements are
met while medical subs are going to the school because matter, buying one medical machine. 10s of thousands $2,000
if say five organizations,
we well but that's four different medical machines are going to have to do with something that's true that's okay this
is cool let's do this. But other than that, Doug doesn't want to Susan I mean, there's more that does not mean there's not more than Dan is registered cannibalization school,
and here's what I'd say, I would say, if there's specific school expenditures and they're big it's like engineering, they should come to Senate and appropriate from Mercer funding, which they can do our CEOs, think of it as like student life. You know, like a capital expense. Literally the woman's money. Was it student, she's saying some administrators said they pull out money if we gave money. I think every administrators have a point. I think initially some people probably will pose, I don't see social science wanting to completely change the whole structure because we offer them money, like they will probably take it or Ivan's just leave it. I think they're going to start getting pressure from everyone is a powerful lobbying force in the social sciences and is going to hit them pretty hard so they might want to take some money. You also know mock trials even more powerful than anyone and they'll probably hit them for money.
More money I'm there. I've never. What do you have returns is rewarded me how much I know. No, no, they get they don't give any money to any clubs
right now, except with the exception of model
mock trial expands almost twice as much as me when an empty wine has about a $40,000 operating budget. Oh,
you're right, Ivan. Okay.
the same issue of the infrastructure. So again if we do this who gives out the money, where to go to the front desk is it's gonna be under Stephanie's job. Natasha says Robert. Would this be the senate with, like, like I don't see any infrastructure, where would come from.
Again, I would disagree on how
giving it by population is the most equitable. I think that's a better option would legitimately be reforming Svf be I think an application based helps district distributed a bit more equitably because let's say if the art school did want a student council they could go to spsp and say like this is how much we would need or as the precedent from other schools, calculate by population, like let's say PSC operates with 30,000 each year. As VFP can analyze that then say to the art school will you have a third of the people as, blah blah blah you're going to third of the money as they operate now, excetera, I think, an infrastructure would be a lot better. Again,
I still think that sets precedent. We saw when giving basic needs money that set precedent
with Student Affairs pulling out schools could pull out schools have already been pulling out, even without us giving money. So some programs have been got been cut just normally, which of course yeah we want to support those programs, but I still think that school departments would pull out if seen money going. I still think any money is better than none in regards to free labor, I still think bypassing this ACI is say, we support free labor. I'm not against giving money to schools I think it's just better to put through a better infrastructure, with spsp.
Oh, another question for school affiliated clubs whose, there's no regulations of which clubs are affiliated with with schools. It depends what school social science has not had any regulation, it's been a very pet project D. The notion is the admins have kind of decided that engineering does have a regulation, their engineering student government deals with that. Yeah, I think that's the only school that does that.
so let's say, okay, yes let me finish.
And with that, like you just said, like the School of Social Science who's to say a school isn't gonna favorite clubs over another. I think that's another form of inequity. So that's why I think a funding board, even if you create a separate funding board for school councils I think that'd be much more equitable process.
john said there's no, there's no way to even check with a organization even school affiliated, but most of the schools except for engineering has actually had them function was doing government. What says that even coffee these organizations will last a double dip. For example, like say LS LS PA, they because humanities has land American Studies, then go there, but they're also doing social science because there's our social economy the college
department college score they registered with
that they registered with the school as a thing. That's the thing of humanities and sometimes they'll have those fields, they can double dip and do
nontraditional school via, and there's
no, there's no way to do that with our
CEOs, see how we do it in social science is what we do have an official filing service I like Speech and Debate isn't school affiliated, so we don't have certain school requirements and paperwork. Everyone, literally, physically has like school paperwork that they can show. I think here. It's going to be up to the school administrators that kind of de facto does it via infrastructure and they're gonna have to go to the main office to get reimbursement, it's after work like any other week, so it'd be under Robert, it would be it would have to do
upper center to this significantly larger
job. I mean it's spsp of Africa to refer to,
but I moved to commit this to the Senate floor with finance, in conjunction with Robert show.
Well, it's gonna be decided Tuesdays and Robert will take along, I'm going to meet with Robert on Wednesday, I don't know, over a different, I don't know it's fair. First of
all, I don't know if it is that is decided decided one day, considering that literally this constitution does not just change the positive senate and change the policies every
single day maybe even multiple times, we have decided. I'm just saying, like, it will be decided by the sensors
instead of just please do not please, at least, invite the executives considering their
positions will be done, they'll be, they'll be invited Don't, don't worry, everyone I mean,
we have Friday till week 10 so I mean I yeah I think there should be enough time for us to still deliberate and make sure that everything's like address completely
understandable. They'll be, they'll be deliberations. I imagine.
At some point center
where I'm fully board, that is,
okay, how can we just commit this entire, let's just submit the entire section, sorry, right, so we're just submitting this entire section to set. Yeah, okay, for discussion. Yeah, meeting the finance, be, well, we'll probably know you're with fine yeah if it's gonna if it's like a serious problem through debate, then it will go to finance, finance solution decide, Robert, that will. Okay. Does anybody object committing the entire
article nine section one to the Senate for
book so what
they, we just continue with the comments, and they were similar it's anybody want believe there was anything simply different brought up.
The thing about our CEOs.
Oh, she their concern was one, there's not really official filing it if you're in our CEO in a school of like, oh yeah well yeah so it'd be up to the sniper school.
Yeah, second form of equity, and then the favor. Yeah, he gave an example of social scientists favor.
Yeah. And, I mean, the Senate, I think that's another thing or not school affiliated. And then there's another funding for them, where the SPF.
60% is going to a school
called the favor, a lot of a lot of that is for councils as well.
That's favorite, let's say that the 94 from Social Sciences is getting the most and they have favors the idea means let's say mock trial gets 20 to 30 out of that and others, clubs, get much less,
I think the idea is expressly the idea I've made is I want clubs in the schools to compete for the money, and even cause, maybe there are little political arguments over it, because then they'll want to be involved in student government, they'll see that money is on the line here, and they need to understand politics is relevant and and the most thing I would say for that is the student councils will likely be the ones who that this school administration says, Give me your recommendations on who to allocate that that's what that's what are either true but the school on men's historically speaking, never want to deal with messy, they don't they don't want to review. 30 applications, each corner they'll say, Student Council you do that, give me in that. Yeah,
just because you see work So, does that mean that like students are still not gonna favor.
No, I understand that it's just like, Okay, I think we can leave the senate floor. Does anybody, does anybody object to committing to Senate, none. Okay, we're gonna move on to the next article article 10, the executive director, the executive director is the head of bureaucratic authority. Let's read section one.
It is very similar to
was already made any changes
are not any specific changes but still very interesting for us
to sit here and change our services
like really change what was listed under that we have the change that
we should change exhilarate Enterprises we service. Yeah service
we got rid of the. Well, there was talk about getting rid of the ante to express and stuff like that. The fact the matter is the old constitution, so we just decided to left it and leave it in there.
Do we really need. Number five, providing advice to this boy.
Now we don't that's that's duty.
It was talking about getting rid of.
That's, that's not really up to us, we decided to
get rid of the list.
Yeah, we got it we got well here. Let's go.
Oh, yeah. Remember to maybe get rid of a
list. Yeah, we go that's outside of our control. Number eight
or express guys.
Number three, isn't that kind of more like a duty to do a management of all
services. Yeah, strike three. Yeah. does anybody object striking three.
that the all personnel to support the associate.
Yeah, it's still correct
maybe we should delete this. This is kind of repetitive. This is a legal definition that's outside the Constitution. Yeah. Does anybody object to deleting this to the university, what does that assume somewhere else, it's assumed in university code, because sgf at SG s AP is part of the is a University Department. And for deleting anteater Express. We object to that right where he did that earlier, and what isn't. And not employment, are we deleting no Fargo,
who support the ACA Zuzia
who support the.
What is number two like what like what is
solvency is finances. Okay, so that's basically employment, which is D and
D employment and it means she deals with employing pro staff and she can fire process.
Stephanie I mean so or heating but right now, Stephanie.
Boy mercy Africa. Our.
Number two, keeping it. yeah. Number three isn't really a power.
I'm with district number three
That's a power.
Proper two, three serving all
serving as the official representative of all as UCI up as UCI an old business on
three we can keep boards of duty. Yeah, Australia.
No way I say it sounds like
it's a circus.
What strength did rising.
Alright so anyway objects deleting for.
I like it what was wrong,
I don't know,
is five duty as well.
She's already in charge the employment.
Does anybody have jack.
Okay investing money this is a power. Does it have to be there. I would say it does how investing is a significant, you are risking our money if you are investing but it has to go through the sun it on a really cool.
two questions, let's say,
why don't we just like buy our frickin Windies and then place it with like another business.
Totally. The money you know, you get the money
you know probably cost an enormous amount of money to actually do that. Yeah.
I mean you have
to not worth it already this contract will buy back the equipment I can, much more.
Yes. Okay, we'll
see y'all can't make money, we wouldn't be able to anyway. Let me see the university, let me show it.
Yeah, I'm about to buy out the bookstore before anything concerning you probably get the most allocation, but that'll be matching your bio that books. That will be a lot of money. That'd be. That'd be a
question. Why are they allowed to invest money
so right now if you actually look in the budget I think we make $130,000 every year on investments. So literally, we must have like a stock portfolio. We're making money well they invest the reserves. Yeah,
any way we can really direct investments. Yeah, the center could say now.
Yeah, because it says what sticky.
So if we think she's speculating on some like penny stock.
Let's say now borrowing money and
name a VC so to actually put in context in Orange County is what happened in the 90s, and actually led to the Orange County. Orange County, declaring bankruptcy. We lost all of our money
where the wealthiest
investing. Invest How about investing and borrowing money.
All right. Does anybody know object to
deleting five. We see, but we didn't include with confirmation by the Senate. It says what's the floor. Yeah, well the sound Yeah. There's also
a professor said yeah i think
is in appointing and removing professional stuff still in the employment.
Yeah, Digital approve Sham Shannon infinim.
No, for what
she's in Cassandra's office now
yeah so this would change something, it would make appointing professional staff requires a boat from the Senate. Oh, okay.
Do you want to do that.
Give us oversight.
We'll just hire a bunch of people and you're like, I don't want to hire those people and they're like, sorry.
Wait, how does it make it have to go through senate
says with confirmation by the Senate number five is still being learning. So if you want to fire officers pro staff and added. This is at it, okay I was, Oh,
yeah, no, I was no,
I think we should have over because we're giving it for paying people salaries, we should have saying it, we don't want to send it like just run wild on like just take all the money. Sorry.
Because if there's a need for they should have presented, like they should present the need hey we need this person we need to we need to pay this person on hundred thousand dollars a year. So,
question so senate led to go to an interview process with all kinds of people
they don't even know professionalism, so I was forced by this. It will be a legislation, if Cena wanted it could take them five seconds to confirm
actually a professional staff paying more getting more than $90,000.
It's up to the Senate, most smoke okay why most of that is up to discretion of pro staff to do the complex interview stuff, set it is just confirming, right, and
then senate decided not to spend student money on things to do we need to include and in accordance with the University of California policies and processes
are going to understand
well that's why so many should be able to copy English. First, does anybody move to strike and and according to the university California policies, obviously we have to go get
Okay, so here's what I will say on the record, I feel there are certain pro staff that would feel more obliged to respond to us if they were at least sorta accountable to us, and it. I'm not saying all of them are, but some of them certainly do. Okay,
Yeah. Another question would be, then after this does approve would be happy to approve every single rd, maybe grant grandfather.
I think we deleted five.
Not to the five, not yet. No,
this is what we're debating on power,
we're debating on, do you want send it to a firm as you said professional staff employees so low interview process,
just get a lead professionals interview professionals okay
said is there to make sure that if they particularly dislike you're
gonna go back and forth and got them understand
All right, and six acting as trustee and maintaining our financial accounts.
So I think that's a good one that was the University of California, Irvine, student organization, it's really should be our CEOs.
investing borrowed money for our CEOs and stressy for. That's probably, these are separate. Yeah, I think it's better to leave us members. So we're deleting for University of California, Irvine and putting registered.
in all this yeah financial China's find ways to cut it down.
Does anybody object to that. Okay. Okay,
as a trustee for UCI organizations or CEOs. I'm sorry.
Okay, including acting as trustee for as you see I'm maintaining financial counselor registered campus organization.
Alright, well let me add that. In addition,
so that's the same thing,
where do we move six into two. Yeah, so preserving and then there's a plastic surgery services, and we just copy pasted it
yeah way way way way where'd you out. No, no, three, including acting. Yeah. Yeah, sweet sitting. Three
you present yourself in one way, and then it's like, it is shown to be false. So then there's that loss of distrust loss of distrust or a
loss of loss of trust rust. Brown,
a mass image of us.
You can tell it to me for a paper. Okay, now my name, well we had to pause and record.
All right, we are continuing section two appointment, the Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs self select and appoint executive director subject to approval by two thirds vote in the Senate exactly same as current constitutes
termination is exactly the same as well. Yeah.
terman, is exactly the same move.
Alright direct democracy. We're almost
Take us the last one. No, no.
Okay, so this is. Now we're going on to this, this has to do with this was a very complicated provision in the old Doc, we made way simpler, and we standardize. I don't know where they got their own numbers from I'm pretty sure that people just sat around a table at midnight like we sometimes do and just made them up. So we normalize the numbers categorically. So, if there's going to be somebody status. It has a higher threshold than just like a legislative ballot. So like if you're being recalled from office, that's more difficult than like recalling these legislation. In the same way, it's harder to amend the Constitution, than amend, a piece of legislation. So we did thresholds by percentages. Let's just go to the section. So, this is the legislative proposition very similar to the old constitution, but instead of having five, then 10 we just did 10 across the board. And I will put this forward. I think the direct democracy was always kind of flawed because nobody it. It's so hard to do you have to confirm every signature. You have to run an election, we have trouble getting a 5%. I don't know this is just how the current constitution is, I think, not only is it harder to watch vote normally getting signatures is not time consuming. If you want to my five week here's the spending 10 weeks on something, if you're spending two weeks, 10 weeks on repealing legislation, you might as well just beat them in the next election because that's like a whole quarter basically oh yeah anyway okay like.
Does it repeat. Does it ever work that.
So Tim said a member so that's the total number of undergrad students. The students that are all undergrad,
It is always 10% of voter turnout we could lower the number back to five, four, number of signatures, you have to get the idea behind this is it's only used in like x, either extremely abuses or less than abuses. If you really want to quantify something that can never be changed. I spsp like something that everyone can universally get behind because the point of this is it's super hard to change this ever
also just Bob say the sooner we can predict that the student population won't increase, increase will stay the same in 10 years it may increase or decrease we can't predict that so 5% to live more realistic in 10 years
we can change it back, 510 percent
10% that's more than we thought that's going to do.
Well the checklist setup and want to do will be elections and it will be remembered as a CCI though.
So pops is more realistic assume we don't know what the population personally so I don't know, it may literally increase. Yeah,
so you need 5% of 5%. Yeah, you're going to need signatures.
Yeah, I use this more like you want a proposition on the ballot kinda like they do in California with props, put in perspective, people who spend millions of dollars putting on props.
And then for minimum voter turnout can make decrease that the pops in as well as doors 10% of
10% will will voice done. That's the status quo and the reason is, is it's so hard to ever overturn one of these things and program about proposition. It needs to be kind of permanent really if you're doing a value proposition is kind of like a pseudo amendment to the Constitution, it's a lower threshold amendment, your value proposition cannot violate part of this constitution, because then you just need to amend the Constitution, but it can create. So I think spsp and all institutions.
Now again, I was reading a wrong thing in my head. All wrong again so 5% 5% 10%
vote your voter turnout, it's been it's the same. I believe it's the same. Hold on.
Hold it, so me let me just make a calculation
to I think it was lower.
I tried to standardize everything.
So let me see if it was it.
Yeah, see this was the thing they have to call a bad election within two quarters like
okay I'll see
what that, okay, it's gonna be cold within five. So you have to sign every, here's the other thing we do we extended the timeline but increase the number by 3% then that minimum voter turnout of 5% look at he. Yeah.
yeah, 10% of simple realistic.
Okay, so what's it to push up in the new edition, you have no timeframe with how long your petition can be pending, but it has to reach 5% in the old one you have five weeks to get 2% of the UCI undergrads, which is very difficult.
With the first part again,
you have you have five weeks to get 2% of UCI undergrad current, the current right, the new one will be 5% with no time. Okay, so you will be five weeks, you can change it says within the current constitution article, 12.
Within five weeks of
section one. There was a
five weeks of instruction.
he's gonna get rid of within five weeks yeah I think
it's gonna be within an academic year. Okay, yeah, yeah. So we're going to input, signed by at least 5% of members within an academic year, increasing two to 5%.
Yes, academic year.
That means to read that means end of screen, yeah
okay for increasing two to five. Still rough because we only got about seven, eight books. For now,
I think for the minimum voter turnout that's good because this could potentially mandate, a PR fund appropriations to. It's kind of like a pseudo constitutional limit.
You have a little over 30,000 grad
undergrad students so far. So just what pops into the undergrad population as much as 95%, a little for. Yeah, a little over 2000,
and I 5% and check out.
And it is supreme so senate cannot adopt contradictory legislation for at least a year from the day the results are certified. We actually
just from the US Constitution as well about 30,000
fee initiatives. Sophie initiatives, either are by petition of 10%, or two thirds and the initiatives are big because, well, that's where the money comes from look forward to.
And then I will see,
here's the problem with what are we on section three what happens in the last sentence section one. Okay, was that a majority vote is required to adopt legislation the minimum voter turnout of 10% of members. We did that because it's supposed to be the left side proposition is sort of like the only step under an amend constitutional amendment. Okay, so, because what you're doing here is you're basically saying no other branch of ncci stupid theoretically from weed outside you could be legislating, the entire suit government. So it's like caught pseudo constitutional limit, it can't violate the constitution, because then you just need a constitutional amendment.
So questions to tips and members. Is it is it for the members of a CI like as a whole as a person who's done to who signed a
petition, it's 10% of as you sighs a hole,
so that means you're going to ban these again. Okay, is so you still gonna be more than 3000 people to show up so
to clarify something big like we do with SPF be bylaws. That's
3000 to show up.
So the nice thing is student government, like you should use at least like one out of 10 students voting on something that if it's like something big. You're always is to use this for something big. Otherwise you speak them an election was
15 so 5% 15
validated, 25 on the ballot and 10% to pass it. Correct.
The only checks on senate I think 10% should be lower.
I mean, I think the real check on Senate is besides the other branches of government is elections, and we're going to put elections and winter, and especially because now we have within an academic year, there's no reason not to just be them here here's the other reason there's an enormous amount of resources that have to go out into doing this, both in getting the signatures confirming the signatures. We want to encourage people just to win an election versus winning on the propositions, because the propositions, the Elections Commission is gonna have a fun time I promise because you have to go through every name. Confirm the names,
what's the current percentage
of legislation that goes through.
I think it's 5% Yeah,
I would keep 5%, maybe seven just speaking of our like history of how much
was the voter turnout.
Let's just make a motion. Yeah, I agree, um, somebody can make the motion to strike 10 and insert seven shadow motions strike 10% of members, and insert 7% of members. Seven. Seven
all its favor please raise your hands.
All those opposed.
All those abstaining. So on a vote, or two, or two, no 42321. Right, yes. Yeah, this. Okay. Passes yes recommended. All right, Supremacy Clause does anybody have a problem with the supremacy clause, basically saying, direct democracy beats senate votes. Three initiatives. The initiatives are tough for a couple reasons, one of them we have to actually convince the Chancellor to approve this level. I think the initiatives are the hardest thing to get through. so we have to set a high threshold. And I think it's actually what
I think it is as long as I know it's, it's actually not currently.
Yeah, 20% is like
breaking into your base breaking in half.
60% of 20% of the population.
I'm not personally anticipating CME
additional famous Friday for a while, where you raised.
Yeah, isn't there one going to
waste it is there, I see.
yeah there's a there's a
question about. Yeah.
Okay, yeah, that's fine.
Okay. Um. Other thing on this to remember is, as we incorporate extension students. Our incomes are going up. Anyway,
so. On another note as well, just because because UCSD is proposing a system wide fee for
their actions so essentially this, it would also probably less than the amount of funds for the PvP office it'll probably be more based on like travel expenses specifically and stipends but also say like, there's probably going to be more funds available school
passes, I'm pretty sure we'll see us using community colleges all have it, yes, oh yes. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. Anybody from section three note sections for recall. People don't like you and 10% consider that we keep this hides you should really be infuriated because we're gonna have elections and winter. And if you're going past 10 weeks to recall somebody wanting to speak them into the auction. Again, recalls are expensive for us. We Senate has to approve a special election like the current constitution. You have to have another vote system. It's just a massive like you should be.
And you can petition your representatives as well.
Yeah, yeah, if someone's that mad just shut the Senate. Yeah have honestly if individual officers is bad, just impeach them. Like, if tension said, If 10% of the student body, I'd say get a 5% of the student body has an outcry a you'll annihilate dominant election. Be, you can probably just convince the current student government to impeach them.
That'd be enough pressure. Yeah,
that we haven't
wanted honestly I think moving the elections to winter solves the recall problem, because the sooner elections are, the more pressure your is on you to act decent. Yeah. All right. Section. Section five then. Does anybody have,
I mean let's think for Section four.
Section five, why do not listen away she's reading section four.
What's different than the last one, it's, it went from 25 to 20.
what the initial on the Constitution.
I think we bumped this because we don't want people to be doing this last there's a massive outcry. He went down and did it. No. Oh yeah, you're right.
It's good actually that's okay because this is like.
If somebody if I would say even if 5% of the student body is like shows up at a meeting that's like, that's bad, you're just being at that point right like,
wait, this is 20% of the undergraduate student
yeah right but that thing like collecting signatures and stuff was yeah but initially what like human was saying is, like, but if those folks went to the Senate it's most likely just
going to, you will need
20% 20% were to show realistically that no goodbye is not even a
question in the old one it says 25%. of the votes cast in the last election for that office,
we normalized. The reason for recall supposed to be for high ticket seats. So, we probably significantly does, but that would also mean it could be super low and some years of turnouts like 1% of the students, and you don't want like 250 students having a Reek an expensive long recall election, with 10 weeks later you're doing a normal election
anyway. But what's the point like if if let's say nursing nursing is the lowest Yeah, well, how many people voted last time with 10 or something.
It would be super late Yeah. Three people's recall your nursing
senator it just takes three people. Well, in the current. Yeah, but then the new one, how many people would
it take too long it would take 20% of the underground, but and then what can calculate 20% of yeah here, it would be probably like six
under the new one at 20%,
it'd be 6000.
There's not even 6000 people in.
But the point is, if the point of for recalls was p for higher seats that have abuse of power. If the nursing senators abusing their power. Honestly, if a ton of you just show up, you're gonna get there he's gonna get impeached. Do you
recall Bryce right now and when in the Senate,
they wouldn't pass it, they would easily be able to, first they annihilated election. Second, they would be if 20% went in, they would through direct recall. And third, they probably wouldn't be fair I think if like three 6000
students so what I'm saying like like how many people voted for
you right to 32 2030,
right, and then how many people will need a school
that such, because then under the current constitution to 30 times five to anyone's was 13.
So I think the objection to that is that it is supposed to be harder to recall you than the initial number of votes cast to elect you because recall is only supposed to be recall is really used if the impeachment process has totally failed. There's a rampant abuse of power that the entire student body is feeling, because if you don't meet those criteria, then you should just be either impeached or should lose an election, and the elections are in winter anyway. And I honestly see a recall, whoa, yeah. The other thing, what is the science.
If the senate stacked
as you're saying you're saying if you can't get 6000 people in there you petition the senators to impeach right but if the Senate
is stacked Why think it's a senate stock, it's your, you have problems in both ways, because you have to, you'd have to recall every single, you have to recall 30 of them
with 6000 each right.
No, you just have the same, you'd have one petition that says recall blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Under this under the old one you'd have to have a different petition for every individual senator, it's much easier. Right, but it'd be much harder to confirm. But
I think what a good compromise could be is to still like as far as like incorporating the aspect of whatever the previous election results were for either that seat or that person specifically, but increasing the amount of people that need to show up for
yeah you can do 40% Yeah, what the last voter turnout right that office,
get that is what what the heck is a voter turnout.
I don't know, I think, like, the other thing too is you don't want to be ruled by minority to like say say a group does something that impacts 80% that like it but then 20% don't like it.
No right but that's where I'm saying, this would be more so in specific so like, because, like if I was an engineering student then I would be the only one that would be able to then voice that opinion versus ism as a social science. I didn't vote for you in the first place so I wouldn't necessarily have any grounds to go against you or to recall you because you're not the person that I elected,
well I think recall is not necessarily supposed to be used for policy differences is supposed to be used for broad abuses of power onto the general student population that really suffice as a public reaction, because if it's an individual problem, a beat them in election or be impeach them. I think what we're speaking about now is kind of a broad conspiracy against the student body. In which case, you just need it you need a big revolution against your government basically. And I mean in the US Constitution, they don't even allow that. And in this constitution, it's more reserved there but we
don't have the authority to
grow. Yeah, well, we are basically giving the totality of the student population that authority
that because it shouldn't be like harder to like, you know, do the Marine Corps, then you know like to like
have a let's just refer this provision to send a motion. Yes, right.
20% of the undergraduate students to change that to 40%. of the votes cast in the last regular election,
about 40% of the total votes, up to 40%
of the total votes cast in the last regular election for that office. Okay,
so here's the other question I have with that, if we're doing it that way at a lower threshold. Do we want to borrow them from running for office like this constitution does not. I don't think we should and the reason is, again, you can potentially have a minority, like let's say you won by like 51%, well if you have 40% of the prior cast votes you'd have enough people that voted against them simply to recall them and then borrow them from office. So, the old constitution says, if you've been recalled.
You're not allowed to run for office again. Okay.
Yeah, it says that.
Well, that's the thing is that
I don't get why you would need
more students to recall, because realistically speaking you don't get your balance but you don't get more than 3000 students voting, if you're trying to get 20%.
Well, exactly. Recall is meant for extremely abnormal cases, and really for upper I make sense because I think it's 200 people vote for me, and 100 people vote for chemo, and they're mad that I won, but if those hundred people is all it takes to recall me then they'll just recall me.
Just like it should issue require more boats like okay we so yes Bracewell doesn't have to get approved
by, what I'm saying is that it wasn't 1000 of boating programs less than 3000
does not 25% as of now. Bye.
Constitution is now,
right now, if they got 25 as it is now set it would have to create a special election process, which of itself is questionable. What if senate doesn't. And then they'd have to call a special election. I would surmise they'd be wise enough procedurally to just put it on the general election ballot. But the answer is probably Knox takes a lot of time to create special election protocols. You'd also have to take in the fact, it will probably take two to three weeks to verify all the signatures is especially difficult like in Bryce's case because school, used to look up everyone who signed it and match it with their major. And if you're still in the major, and then you have to give them an opportunity to contest that like real life recalls are a mess to to do their insanity needless to speak.
All right, yeah. Yeah, move
on it. Oh, alright striker striker Jenna's made a motion to strike 20% of undergraduate students and insert 40% of the
votes cast for that office. Yeah.
Does that change the math with the
10% of above the thing is is based on voting so 10,000 people voting only 40% of the 2000.
Can I say
that math isn't my forte. Okay so this whole section has a lot of math.
Okay. Okay, awesome space you said maybe recall. Okay, we would need to. There needs to be a second thing to amend 10% to say, Yeah, one of the members of the members voting for that office. Yeah.
So add that on to the Insert up members
voting. Well I think maybe because the correct one says in the case of school based editors I think that's the only elected offices.
Yeah, but the majority this would specify that anyway. Alright let's vote, you know,
show me what it looks
like, yes. Okay so sorry.
I'll just put this in red present a member right there.
Can I just 60%
says more majority me the majority, the majority of voters is kind of going against it
because three because 3000
staff 6000. If
not, 200 people. Right
now I know about the nursing centers would have to love fellow students and from the
lobby they should just run about what. Right. Yeah.
That's what he just said. You can also partition region student student Attorney General outrageous as a petition,
saying they're there. Right.
I can agree with that. I think I'm 60% at least is fair enough. Yeah.
of 10% of the 16.
Ready given offices, total floating around in your face. Yeah. So, yeah.
Okay guys, guys. So, here is the motion, you're inserting given for a total offices vote. And you are striking 10, and inserting 60 for any given offices, total voting turnout.
Sorry. Wait. Oh. Where'd you get that
shirt. This shirt, I have no clue but isn't it funny because it's probably Goofy Movie. On the back
it has randomly please. All right, we're on the record Let's finish this dying over here.
All right, let's let's go. All right. All those in favor of this amendment please raise up these amendments. 123456 bolos oppose can about a six to one, this will be passed the Senate. Thank you.
Alright. Section five, hold on let me revert it back
so you have the accurate you
know to age is gonna be money issues and discrimination because it. There is no other major issues I still don't give a crap about discrimination.
Oh, talking about, like, Is there like a blatantly racist
yeah there's no like killer discrimination Oh yeah, you'll get 6000 down.
What happened and UC Berkeley,
so let me.
Shakti. Only got.
It was like chef de
safty. Hey, Melissa. Melissa did not get the number of votes needed to recall her issue. They Peter Yeah, which is why I'm saying that should be the normal mechanism, they did try to recall.
It was pretty diverse,
right, but and that's what's before individual grievances, again if there's a conspiracy gets.
Okay, yeah. Okay, this does care about discrimination and money issues because it. Everything else why well the thing about our
section five it
can get rid of, as long as well read processes comply with this section, like that's kind of implied right yeah constitutionally Has anybody object to this. No. Everything has to comply with this section, yeah, this constitution constitutional lawyer. Okay, let's go I was giving everything. Oh yeah, we're almost done. Okay, elections. Okay, here's the thing we need to change. Does anybody object changing spring to winter
was one quarter, they didn't want to or don't give them opportunity to change the spring right. Yes.
Okay. Yeah. Does that mean that
we switch. In winter, no so essentially like. So the same
way at a quarter on some job.
Yes, but they treat me quarter, right, like, yeah. But
over the summer. It should be
a stipend, it will be live.
Let's go one at a time to share
what I would suggest in that aspect is to, uh, it would essentially create a nother position, but it's like so, it would be the same amount of stipend in total, but just subtracting from the previous years.
Guys, not a constitutional talk this unless you want to add it to the Constitution, I don't think,
determining if we're gonna vote for changing. Okay,
great. So essentially you're paying them less no work
at all. Let's move date first. Well no, they're saying Oh,
cuz thing essentially okay so like if I'm elected in winter. Um, my, like, I wouldn't be able to get paid for that time being in because unless that he paid for spring and
starting the summer like
normal no way you would get paid for spring but I'm saying as when the budget rolls over.
Okay, so like, okay, so say so, saying right now are set say this type in the 10 thousands right. Go ahead. So,
instead of so you take the same money that would pay for three quarters spread it out to four quarter.
So you like by like our you get paid less because you keep the same money for an extra quarters of work if I may, I think the remedy to that is to make the trainings non mandatory.
I think that's the only way
you can also make an unpaid interns, well,
which is still more exhibition,
you don't technically need to do it I mean it's functional.
No, but it makes
sense to do but if they want to. Well, or they could have like they just read the information and don't attend any okay so
here's my question to. What if they. Let's say Jay and I are running for VP and my whole thing he's rebranding let's just say he's incumbent for years. And my whole campaign is F to shave he's terrible, don't vote for him, bad incumbent.
No. is the continent.
So, yeah. So, so let's even say we have this very rambunctious candidate that's very out there on social media hating on shake constantly. How is, how is the shade going to work with that candidate to train them or how would that can it work with the shake or celebrate the non mandatory is a good. Yeah, because how I also see it as like, it is kind of an intrinsic part of democracy to have noisy elections, especially with incumbents, and you know sometimes you are basically saying the incumbent sucks. I mean, you have to if you're running against an incumbent.
But I think I'm thinking of it more along the lines of, say, if I just like if you're elected into the office like essentially like you. Yes, you are the office. Yes, but I'm trying to think like in the same way like how we have our student regions like that person that you exactly have the budget to pay two people at once, though, yes what I'm saying, as far as I can't pay them but what I'm saying is, essentially, you would incorporate that other person's paid into the budget, as well as basically subtracting it from the next one. So say, say, I boom elections happened like week five, and this type in in total is 10,000 right. But for for that quarter or whatever portion of time would like you know basically equal or honestly because it's still be basically that full year, whatever amount of that funding would be included in the next year's budget you basically pay for the person that would be in the position for that time, then that part, we get that won't get the budget part. Okay.
You don't have my money. The problem is is that you're still so if you subtract one quarters of budget, give it to the next year you're subtracting the amount you're paying the person for the job. That's not mandatory. Let's just assume that for now we can worry about money later.
Why do I want to change the winner,
because it gets bring it up to in the trunk of summer, that's the big trick.
It's like shadows Right, right. Yeah.
Yes, so the common falling.
That's when they start off with square one.
The new executives graduate.
Yeah, but not even that so like, especially like for us, for example like even trying to coordinate with your core team, or even hire your staff or whatever the case is that takes a lot of time and especially even for the other folks as well like it's. First off like trying to, to learn about the office to train them to essentially like so that they can really fully understand their capacities, and then basically like when summer starts, or not even essentially when summer starts like say after that first quarter safe like elections were to happen week five and then Week Five of spring start, then they have that time period to like really like, okay, we're figuring out the budget or budgets probably even already figured out. We know kind of like the goals that we have with our team. We've already discussed with UCS a like the kind of things that we want to implement and stuff, or just in terms of like DVP wise but essentially giving them kind of like the path to where they can be more successful in their job do. I
know district spring and insert
is only objections. Okay.
Winter what you want to have it just wondering, it will probably be
like we can eat.
They'll be an argument for elections yeah that's the
time to turn your senators over to summer as your ad.
You could, you could
try. All right, all right, but let's leave that we will have plenty wildly discussion on that let's say focus. Next is parliamentary authority
for past. What was.
Oh, it didn't change
Oh yeah, no,
no, it just,
yeah. Quick question clean, just for, like, formatting. And you see like as outlined by the lessons code and you're saying, under the procedures
outlined, is anybody that's gone, said the same thing.
Okay, parliamentary authority.
Okay. I'll get my microphone shelf This
absolutely absolute pain to argue with Michelle on this point. Michelle and I spent an hour and a half. Basic three hours today arguing the extent of Robert's Rules in the Constitution, despite fact it says in this UCI judicial board rules, all cases bra for the Jewish board shall fall under Robert's Rules he still I know not all cases and I'm just like, says okay.
I'm not allowed to
cuss on this other record is some people cannot read what the text directly says, so they need to prerogative by the highest constitutional document to make it true. Roberts is easy if you don't like what's in Roberts write a special rule, or write a standing rule, or write any other rule,
their article is added. It's not in the past.
Yeah, yeah, this is an added article is this in the bylaws. This is in the bylaws usually
makes it harder to get rid
of this makes it won't
do we wouldn't have to see it in the firewall. Yeah, like if
every government follows
our bylaws right now every book every rule we've ever written the Senate has some second says the parliamentary authority shall be just put it
this way, I think the only thing with this is just trying to make. I'll be laughing, there was a sufficient
because almost like, because if we're going to implement it throughout all the SEC everybody in a sec I knees,
and I think we, we have the new constitution also make it better on executives, um, it's actually kind of hard as executives right now to do anything because the cabinet is a deliberative body we changed some of that, it's also because while we gave the executives a lot more power now to directly do things so it's easier. Third off I do think the Senate's gonna have to have a considerable training session that everybody needs to go to and it needs to be clear in the duties bylaws like go to this parliamentary training, this is how government works and record it and record it for combat. Yeah I know, I know your buddies here. If we do me I will give him. I'm thinking what actually I'm going to do this summer is, I will probably just spend a weekend with the recording, and I will record an entire parliamentary class everyone can watch it for time, Rome alone. If you can attend the 12 hour, no other parliamentarians will report it because they lose a crapload of money on recording it. That's literally why the Renzo refused to let us record him.
rahner time with
constitutional amendments email and Hongki
are higher Now, Now, really what this constitutional amendment is is saying. Once we have 10% of people all around, ready to solve this. And this relates to with the student governments we're going to begin the process of the Federal ization process. Okay. The reason this is high, is to get us to the point where we're all like, yes we are ready to federalize is this high, things like that.
Okay, and it gives us kind of more or do we previously have the authority, because like before, wasn't it just like constitutional amendments were only done during elections time. The time of the next election.
Yeah, but this allows for the Senate to recommend and then reach out to get the,
I would surmise it was still be during the regular election since in winter.
Right. But, but two more so say like if there was something within there like and fall sounds like hey we need to make this. Yeah,
you're Yeah, like immediately winter election solves that too, but true. Okay. Yeah,
yeah. Is it possible for part two to say said within three days or three days. Saturday and Sunday,
part, yeah this is. I got
my running at the three number two, I think the closer we get to midnight, the closer we hear
the closer. We're so close the busy though.
We aren't. We only have to handle ye should add three parentheses after
three academic days to
as well. Okay, so this is if your petition. And we're doing the petition really this is good, this part is getting us ready for when we're ready to begin the federalisation process. Okay, which is
still three days it's just 5%
ratification. Hi again for five bucks and changing the set treaty with constitution because it's a lot more is given out the bylaws now change the bylaws now constitution to legislative process
is enforced by the game by
laws and more so radical big thing my reputation here. We want to begin the federal ization process which means a lot of students seem to be ready for that and this is what we're headed towards in the tell offs of this grand new document
with this shouldn't be with or with photos, within a 20%
And so when it says next general election is this. Assuming the winter one, the winter.
Okay. So what is this gene.
I don't think it changed my side pretty sure this.
Now there was a slightly bump there was a bump in percent turnout of voters. The reason again, we only want to amend this constitution we're ready for federalisation why we do not want to distract from our goal of federalizing the school. That is, and the Constitution is very broad this constitution is meant for senate exactly most of stuff. When we're ready to amend it. We're all coming together in this happy way and my conclusion
is these amendments are the petition amendments.
That's all I do so yeah Senate, could you buy two thirds.
But would it still have to be 20%
No, I wouldn't yes yes for the the total voter turnout in the general election to approve those
amendments Yeah, but
amendment isn't just two thirds, no
So it's still this
is two minutes, no matter what. So, two thirds is for the recommendations, as well
as for all amendments in
America. Yes, this is for, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Quick. Section three final approval. Can we specify that the amendments have already been passed by the students so the adopted or the amendments adopted adopted amendments.
So it's a clear selling group, waiting for Gilman to allow it to have this on the ballot.
Okay, everyone was
on to student rights, okay student rights were done in two ways. First way you've paused the right to second what the government can't do. Let's read delete some of these same
11 pages and some of them are like research bound Oh,
okay. Okay, um, first off parliamentary rights, there are a lot of them. And it depends on what body are part of in Roberts, the right space right participate, etc etc. Okay, um, the right to vote, your right to have a positive right to vote. That means as has to pay for the infrastructure for you to vote IE to build the website. No poll taxes, things like that. No voter ID laws. Well we de facto voter ID law given you have to have a positive
note too soon. Yeah.
So, oh, he the elections code well specify certain criteria need to buy you have to assume it. No, because otherwise the entire lecture of school, or Extension School could vote. And you have to pay the fee is the other word
for that means that all deliberation. Decisions would be
recorded. What section, or
will they have to, they have to go out so the election process they have the right to observe everything the Elections Committee Commission does it has to be public and things like that.
yeah, I'm actually I'm good with it all I'm looking at section.
Then, yo, low key kind of went against that like last week, but
there's actually a ton of jurisprudence no no not at all things that have to do in the nature of sin traditions aren't bound by this. The reason is it's not saying you have to abide by certain religion. It's bound by general principles of Robert's Rules and
democracy so the Muslim economy was built on Christian by
means yeah you can swear on the Quran if you wish you can, as I said, you don't swear in anything here let's talk about this later.
free speech fantasize came out right to free speech, it is. It's
not yeah you kind of don't go on right.
Okay, you have the right to privacy privacy. This is in the current constitution.
I mean, privacy
thought in my head was that old video, or like, at the beginning of DVD is like only losers pirate or something.
Alright guys, right to consultation. This is the past, if the schools building stuff. I mean I don't know how we forgot
the school will should come before us with the development plan. This
is the language development plan which
to seek and redress. You have the right to seek redress from grievances due process. This is an addition, I don't know why we didn't have the right to due process in the prior one, but now you have the rights to process iterations.
Yeah, yeah, Michelle way over
time for essentially to even allow to review that I thought that violates
The Student Academic Progress we can be
reviewed each student is soon argues they've been discriminated against and some office has evidence of that they can advocate on their behalf. Okay, I see. And I think 11 is like, if somebody is stealing your ideas, and you have evidence of that publishing for themselves. We advocate
on their behalf. Centers please promote back because you'll probably get a lot more students.
I certainly hope there are no classes on this campus stealing undergrad ideas are there,
the neutral academic consideration
of the university, anything that we discover goes directly to. That's Yeah, the idea is twice as far as for students I completely agree we should
yeah I mean also to be fair towards this sure a professor can steal your stuff but the university can,
yeah. Yeah, great.
You just like hide it not sure if anyone has done it later. So,
if you did if you wrote about it in conjunction in any way to the university campus, and the university Sue's you then a court would have to roll. The answer is, if you had to testify in court something like I only wrote it at home. I didn't do it on behalf the university or any assignment.
Yes, I'm one question. Yes, all of those like nitty gritty rules that are in the current constitution, that's included parliamentary,
right, a lot of them or some of them are do it due process which actually expands them a lot of the nitty gritty ones like here. Let's go. No. No, none of them are missing their own, there's actually more rights here. So, we can just go right to vote obviously right to run a parliamentary
run in the
past. I mean, you always have the right to apply, you don't have the right to be appointed, obviously, direct democracy that's in it. Observe that's in it for investigation expression that's in it right to organize that senate break Association that's in a privacy accident. Also, there were a couple things so right to safe learning environment. I don't know how we positively like provide that. So, because it's not really clear what a safe learning environment is we should do that. I don't know if you have a right to it, I mean
the school doesn't even pay for that I mean that's infrastructure that's state funding, but this doesn't mean individual.
I think it's a policy question. Yeah,
I right to influence decisions. Yes, you can vote. That's how you influence decisions. I'm the one part of this no the suit that has
the UC policy. Yes,
yes the policy assume. Well, it's also, it is
directly over that's a different one that's that's someone below,
he's talking about this, the compulsory campus fees that before. 20, you are talking about, participate in governance,
no right but that one is 84.4 11 and
then the other one had 8411 and the recording.
Yeah, I was talking about the only one like is the 121
or so I only included the construction one in it because I thought people would argue, we don't have jurisdiction over that. I didn't include this because it's already enumerated in the rights and because we can't violate this anyway so soon, seek redress already there, choose their leaders. Well, that's your phone, that's a little interesting school right transparency for new information that's already there the whole thing. Yeah, so students have the right to fair okay I don't even know what this is like, well remove them if they're not right for harassment, you should have a right to an ethical fair and effective government cuz that's a subjective term and that's what.
Yeah, that's right, that's
right. This should be something you can look at and say you're violating or not violating prefer. Okay, this one, we shouldn't really be dealing with illegal, which one, this one, probably illegal. This one is. This is something you'd have to deal with through judicial board and hold these earning it student representative has the right to represent interest since that's intrinsic to to winning election and I guess you can't be manipulated by faculty staff or admins, I mean, what are you going to do if if admins coerce you is kingdom that you don't have to run for office, yeah exactly like they do coerce you honestly there's nothing this student government can do outside of Africa Yeah, true. It kill me comes to you and says, run for office or else I don't know what you're gonna do to him. But can
I be good.
Yeah. Um, This isn't an already. Awesome. This is already in for I out of that just combine that with the right to free speech in association or abridging freedom or speech or press. And do not limit any other rights guaranteed to students. Well, what rights are guaranteed to students that are mentioned here, your parliamentary rights. Cool.
So we're done.
Nobody has any problems with this, or
rules committee meeting, of course senate tomorrow to write the pointment legislation. Secondly contact is ag.