Cybersecurity and Clown
12:51AM Aug 2, 2020
And on, which is also made by my turtle rusty Andrews. I like the media to keep calm and log on is an attempt to take everything we've learned at home and take it to a wider audience, in this case, older members of your family who may be having a really hard time with your digital security your digital privacy, dealing with stress online, or handling this information, so if you'd like to pick up a copy of Keep Calm and log on, you can go to keep calm log on, calm. That's the books companion website, and also has a lot of free information about how people can defend their privacy and security.
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Welcome back, everyone around the world to hope, 2020 day number eight, and we are getting excited now to see what's coming up later in hackers Got Talent attendees we will share the zoom link to jump in on that. In, the element matrix chat shortly. So, deep breath, it will be interesting, but not as interesting right now we have our next talk cybersecurity and clown Charlie Chaplin once said to be truly funny you must take out your pain and play with it. How can we use comedy to address the anxiety and despair in cybersecurity JM. Our speaker is a cybersecurity reporter a security engineer and a comedian, exploring how to make our gaze into the abyss, less. I can't even read this one, the gaze into the abyss the mighty and despair feels slightly less depressing.
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ninja is jam caught up.
Hi, I'm JM, and I'm a clown. What does that mean exactly. The world is a dumpster fire, and there are days when I despair and struggled to find hope, maybe you feel that way sometimes maybe you feel that way right now. Then this talk is for you.
I've been working in and around cybersecurity since 2002 when I got my first job as a Linux sysadmin. I've been covering cybersecurity as a journalist and very serious person since 2013, and no matter what I do, no matter how hard I work, nothing seems to make a damn bit of difference in the world. Snowden came forward in 2013 to tell us what you and I already knew only things were worse, much worse than we realized the intelligence community or more bluntly the American secret police have seized power in a silent coup, and we all now live in an open air prison sentenced to life without charge, without trial, without benefit of counsel, without the right to confront the witnesses or information against us without chance of appeal, or parole. Forever.
Meanwhile, we're all focused on this asshat distraction who by the way is not a clown. As a member of the Von clown stick clan let me assure you, fuckface is not one of ours. So how do we break out of this open air prison, and if in the end we can't how do we cope with the horror of the world we now live in journalists journalism has proven largely ineffective, exposing this invisible jail of information gets you thrown into a worst prison or stuck in exile.
Let me, let me live.
It sounds ridiculous but if you're attending hope you know exactly what I mean. So what does work. Can we Prison Break protests work, protests are working keep doing that, when we're done to funding the police, we need to defend the secret police as well cosmetic changes to racist street level policing mean nothing until the NSA, CIA and FBI and the rest of the horror freak show of freeloader agencies are held accountable for their crimes against the American people and their crimes against humanity. Is this funny so far. No. and it's not intended to be. This is not a Netflix special as much as I might like it to be. It's about how to use comedy to dismantle technological systems of oppression and how to stay sane while doing so, we know fascists hate clowns. Hitler killed clowns. The FBI investigated the shit out of Charlie Chaplin, Saudi Arabia hacked a YouTuber in Montreal a teenager, according to citizen lab. Why, because power is an illusion that can be destroyed with mockery. Not all power, let's be clear. Integrity is bulletproof rank hypocrisy is the proper target for the clown. If you think America is a free country I got a bridge I want to sell you last summer, I trained with Philip Gaultier the French clown teacher who trained Sacha Baron Cohen, and many others. And they'll never forget this, as long as I live. He asked for a volunteer and the student took the stage. And golia said cc's Nazi Germany and clown is 40 million. We here in Xiao audience, our luggage stubble. If we catch you clowning we kill you. I want you to clown as big as you can without getting caught. If we get you, we kill you. Go. We will spend the rest of our time together today pondering clown as a remedy for technological totalitarianism. And we now live in a totalitarian dictatorship, run by the American secret police who are guilty of genocide, many times over, Indonesia, Southeast Asia, Latin America, the Middle East, as well as a fanatical persecution of racial, religious and ideological minorities, that make the Soviet Union's goo legs look like tame. In comparison, the cognitive dissonance is off the charts. Power is an illusion wrapped in nonsense concealed in bullshit. And all it takes is a child or an adult clown acting with the simplicity and honesty of a child to say the emperor has no clothes. Here's an example of what I mean. Is there anyone left in America who can't tell that the TSA is security theater. Hmm,
I love to
fly on aeroplanes. My favorite thing is a TSA, they give me the thrills and
security is another word for love low No.
Give me some love that glows love and oh baby.
Go my Junkers I'm in a funk I just want some human connection. Action Group majan cuz I'm in a funk I just threw one some cumin, Sean
opting out is what I always do male opt out they're crying.
Pat me down the group my junk, but that does not turn off Oh no. Some residue, is what they find how did that get.
a private room, my pants come down a finger, my butt Oh yeah. It's been so long. It feels so good. Sometimes I just squirt Oh yeah,
my juncos goes I'm in a funk I just want some human action, go my junk goes I'm in the funk I just want some human connection action.
Guess I can help myself pain will play with the TSA, the prostate doesn't lie.
Security is another word. No,
giving me some of that glow of lovin oh baby girl My Junkers I'm in a funk I just want some human Connect Action Group my Junkers I'm in a funk I just want some human connection action, go my Junkers
human conduct action will be Yeah.
Think of it like rock paper scissors. Bullshit mockery when mockery meets bullshit mockery wins. However, an honest analysis requires observing also that when mockery meets fascist with guns guns when. And this is how you wind up with concentration camps full of communists in Indonesia, or 10s of thousands of journalists and dissidents being thrown out of helicopters in Argentina and Chile to borrow Christian prayer from my childhood clown gives me the strength to mock what I can change, and the wisdom to laugh at but I cannot. It helps if you're funny. Am I funny. Sometimes, not always. Often, not at all. I've been studying and performing as an improviser sketch actor and writer stand up comedian and clown for about five years, until COVID hit, I went to great lengths to keep my work off the internet, because much of what I made was bad. Why would I want to archive that forever. Even the best comedians have low batting averages. But now the comedy clubs are closed. And maybe closed for years. How do I continue to create and grow as an artist. There is no choice now, but to move into video. So we will take the theory I briefly explained, and show you some of the work I've made since March, and some of it may make you laugh, and some of it likely won't, but it will help demonstrate the point of this talk and hopefully give you some inspiration and something to chew on when this talk is over, and maybe even some ways to be subversive and cope in your own way. But first, a message from our sponsor.
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clear up some confusion. When you read yet another citizen lab expos A into our human rights abuses. Remember, we NSO group, not NSA. Now, maybe it's true that because of us a couple hundred journalists and dissidents got disappeared tortured and murdered. But, NSA helps brutal dictators round up millions of dissidents and kill them, and has been doing so for decades, read Vincent Bevins new book, The Jakarta method, Indonesia, Southeast Asia, South America, the Middle East, compared to NSA, we're small fry. Also, there's another important distinction. We are NSO group. There is no NSA group that one little letter makes all the difference. We are NSO group, not NSA group, because there is no NSA group, just NSA, which we're not,
we're NSO group.
My video skills are bad,
so bad they are really bad. Did I mention how bad my video skills are. Wow, do I suck at video. I have zero training and almost zero budget and this is basically a 15 minute movie I shot in my free time, over a two week period. So, calibrate expectations accordingly. And feel free to laugh at how bad my video skills are Charlie Chaplin once said to be truly funny, you must take out your pain and play with it. And not just my pain, our shared pain. Journalism and I am a journalist as well as a comedian invites a rational conversation brain to brain, but some things in life are so horrific that art theater comedy clown are the most effective, a conversation. Heart to heart. People believe what they want to believe. When was the last time you changed someone's mind on Twitter.
It's okay. Oh wait,
sometimes rational conversation is not the solution to the problem you're trying to solve. This is why we dream at night. This is why we need art theater comedy clown in the world. Dreams Freud said are the product of our subconscious mind grappling with the unthinkable with uncomfortable truths that we don't know how to deal with, to give a bad example, maybe you dream that you are a purple elephant dancing on the tip of a sharp knife, the manifest dream is what you remember in the morning, the truth in this example the latent dream is that you are perhaps morbidly obese about to have open heart surgery. This is a bad example, but some truths threaten our self worth and identity so severely that only the psychotherapist and a clown is a psychotherapist with a Master's is able to help us grapple with the horrific truth. And so find peace. For instance, the manifest dream is that the noble men and women of the intelligence community defend our freedom from the terrorists. What is the truth. As a CIA agent, you lie, cheat, steal blackmail torture, rape, murder and commit genocide in defense of shareholder value, we America's billionaires. Thank you for your service.
Who do you serve.
Who do you protect us of course without you to murder, those squeaky wheels. The hoi polloi might get uppity and demand actual freedom,
can't have that now can we do you my gangsters for capitalism. My thugs for big business my state sponsored criminals and terrorists. Go forth and destroy freedom, wherever it blooms. Likewise, another manifest dream is that America is a sad victim of bad people who want to attack us, and not an aggressive white supremacist Empire. And that somehow our domestic racist policing has no connection with killing millions of brown people overseas. As part of our global wars of conquest. Welcome back to my talk, where five talks by
the wishbone. Cool.
I'm the director of the intelligence community.
Do you spot talk
after 20 years overseas working for the CIA. I've retired, but I'm struggling to adapt to civilian life. For instance, my lawyer says homicide is still illegal. But I miss shooting unarmed civilians in the back so much. I don't know how much longer I control myself. What should I do, trigger he in Tulsa. Do you trigger he. First of all, thank you for your service. Killing unarmed civilians in the back is an important part of defending our freedom. Now my state.
I have good news for you though. Your Noire is wrong, so wrong homicide is legal. Now, our domestic counterinsurgency strategy, requires a regular thinning of the herd mowing the lawn, a good old buzz cut for the site. So join your local police force today, a batch is your license to kill with honor. We need cops shooting unarmed civilians in the back, every bit as much as we needed you killing civilians overseas to defend our freedom. Oh, one legal caveat. Don't forget about the Henry Ford rule. You can kill anyone for any reason, anywhere in the world, so long as they're black or brown 50 shades, you know, just don't go killing any white people then you might get into trouble.
That's a good one.
Thank you for your service. Tricky Richie. Here's the your smooth transition into civilian life. And Happy hunting.
Here's my favorite example. The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. We've got to backdoor encryption because of the children. Does anyone here at hope really think backdooring encryption has the slightest thing to do with protecting children, and not everything to do with political power. The more horsemen
horsemen. Oh, the ball call.
They're coming for encryption.
They're coming for our freedom.
They're coming for or anonymous to see who are the horsemen. Oh horsemen. Oh, the bark all
Children Now that children know that children think
of them. The kids think of them. What is wrong.
I forgot to mention I also play the ukulele badly. Now, Could these three examples be funnier or more effective. Almost certainly, I welcome feedback, by the way, feel free to email me at JM pork calm comedy is a conversation between the comedian and the audience, not just me spouting. Let's talk now about journalism and comedy. I have gotten some serious side AI from very serious journalists over the last couple of months, but journalism and comedy go hand in hand for as long as I can remember. I grew up watching 60 minutes every Sunday night, and after 55 excruciating exhausting minutes of investigative reporting what happened. Andy Rooney came on to talk about stamps or paper cuts or parking meters. Andy Rooney is the classical archetype for me of the value of the journalist clown. Dave Berry, Mike Royko hell the good doctor himself Hunter S. Thompson. Dave Jorgensen at the Washington Post is killing it as a total clown on Tick Tock right now. And I mean that is the highest praise,
So, what is the right mixture of journalism in clown today in 2020. I'm still figuring that out. In addition to the videos I just showed you, which were clown dial to the max. I also host a weekly video show about cyber security. I deliver a two to three minute comic monologue and then I'm interview guests about wonky cybersecurity policy topics.
Welcome back to cyber, cyber, cyber, cyber, I'm Jim pourra reporting without pants, the crypto wars. Sounds like a bad remake of the matrix with Keanu Reeves. Dude, I got the crypto Whoa, now I'm gonna go do some war bomb the man, governments hate encryption because it makes it hard for them to spy on us. Turns out peeping Toms really hate it when you close the curtains, Martha he's out there again that creepy dude from the NSA and the uniform general What's his face for 30 years the US government has been trying to kneecap encryption so that we can't have any privacy at all. That's like declaring war on bathroom stalls. Hey, you got nothing to hide you got nothing to fear. Am I right, say a past the toilet paper well yeah encryption is a cornerstone of democracy today. If you and I can't organize a protest rally or discuss politics or talk to a minister or a lawyer, without the government knowing every word you say, then we no longer live in a free country. I interviewed Katie Mu suris about vulnerability disclosure and bug bounty programs.
Ideally, we'll get the world to finally accept that just because a hacker can break in and is showing you how it's not some kind of Bond villain moment you know where they're they're they're saying you know this is the way I'm going to commit crimes they're actually telling you, this is the way someone not me could commit crimes, and you should be welcoming that information.
I interviewed Bruce Schneier and john Kallis about the need for public interest technologists today. What do we mean by technologist I think for people not in security or an IT technologists seems like a very broad kind of hand wavy term, what do we mean by a technologist,
now they're all hand wavy term so technology we,
they're all hand wavy terms technology, because all tech is computer tech. Yeah, it's like you know public interest is hand wavy. We're trying to make an allegory to public interest law is a defined field of law attorneys working in the public interest are technologists, really computer technologists, doing the same thing.
I interviewed Asher wolf about the robo debt scandal in Australia an algorithm that falsely accused half a million people of welfare fraud in Australian government has now agreed to pay back.
712 Lindell is
later this week they then announced that they're probably underestimated the number of reverie debts, the robo debts may spend back pre 2015
and looking like they're gonna pay back over $1.2 billion. That's before we even get into compensation interest and there's still a class action to go ahead.
So it's been a pretty huge week for a bunch of little digital rights activists.
This one might be my fave I got three US military cyber warriors including an actual professor of cyber at West Point to come onto the show, and that kind of sort of punked them. Welcome back to cyber, cyber, cyber, cyber, I'm Jim Thorpe reporting without pants cyber war. Today's topic raises two critical questions for our society. One, what is cyber two, what is war. Joining me today are real life cyber warriors who still have tasted the sweet glory of battle. As some of you may know I am a cyber war correspondent and I recently reported from the front lines. I'm going to show you a clip of my reporting from the front lines of cyber war. Tell me if it aligns perfectly with your experience in cyber war. This is cyber war corresponded to him, poor up reporting from the front lines. Behind me you can see the scene of battle blinky lights and everything. The rebels have been probing our forward position for weeks with their end map scans.
But today saw
major escalation in hostilities, with a targeted spear phishing attack.
But rest assured, we are giving as good as we get battalion commander Captain rick roll tells me he is about to launch a major counter offensive, a DDoS attack, right here on live television.
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This is unprecedented folks unprecedented footage, live from the frontlines of cyber war.
You're breaking up, you're breaking up, March, can you hear me, you're breaking up you're
over here. Somebody
He's gone. gone. They're all going
to talk to me.
The heavy, heavy tread of their right ring finger on the entry key.
Clap, clap, clap,
for cyber, cyber,
cyber, cyber reporting.
I've seen that happen when people can't get into their email on Monday morning.
What is the future of cyber war Can we see continued escalation of hostilities, or a cyber peace in the future. Bryson. Oh, it's, it ain't backing down. We're in the wild west and slap on your six year because it's only going to get worse.
Chris, do you agree. Well you know with AI and blockchain will never end right.
I hear many good things about this AI and blockchain thing of which you speak,
read on the back of a magazine in an airplane
and dude I did Bryson How did you know as delicious as Sasha Baron Cohen. No,
I'm working on it. So at this point some pedantic twit is itching to ask me about misinformation. So let's address this objection with the ridicule it deserves. Did we'll read, Jonathan Swift's, a modest proposal in grade school. If it's been a while. Let me set the scene. The English were committing genocide in Ireland, starving people to death with economic policies. Jonathan Swift could have written the 18th century version of investigative journalism made Sinead O'Reilly age nine who eats three potatoes a week, looking to remain seated to frame her Oregon's are failing the community fairs no better zoom out to widespread misery. Examine the human toll. You can see the documentary now.
Wow, that was a terrible Irish accent.
Swift could have written polemic pounding the table in the papers stop starving people to death. It's a disgrace This is crazy. But he did, neither of those things. Instead he chose a far more effective tactic to tell the truth. To tell the truth. He wrote satire, a modest proposal. If the Irish are starving to death why let them eat their babies. In fact, here are some recipes for cooking babies with a little salt and pepper, you can make a cooked baby feed a hungry family for a week. scandal ensued. Some readers thought swift was actually advocating cannibalism. This is a feature of satire, not a bug. The work left a lasting impression on the British public so lasting that we still read that book 300 years later. If you want to tell the truth, make them laugh, or they will kill you, playwright George Bernard Shaw said journalism and comedians, both seek to tell the truth, unpleasant uncomfortable shocking truths. Sometimes the best way to tell the truth is indirectly, and that often means comedy or satire where the audience doesn't know if you're joking or not a modest proposal was a superior vessel for swift to tell the truth about British atrocities in Ireland. Consider this a warning if in your zeal to solve the internet's misinformation problem. Oh my god, somebody is wrong on the internet.
You decide to censor
satire and comedy, then you are kneecapping one of the most effective ways to tell the truth. Sometimes the onion is a better way to tell the truth than the New York Times. At the start, I told you I would offer you some concrete tools to help you be a little more subversive and cope a bit better, with a world gone mad. If you're at hope there's a good chance you're a geek, and a misfit like me. That's why you got into cyber security in the first place. You're a weirdo
lean into the weirdness simple acts of harmless nonconformity are subversive and good for the soul. When I studied to clown with Chris Bayes who is also the head of physical comedy at Yale drama I didn't study at Yale he runs summer courses in New York. He gave us homework, one, go to your fridge right now, and turn your mayonnaise in peanut butter jars upside down. Why no good reason. Keep a little wiggle in your step a little naughty in your life. I mean it's peanut butter right find other little ways to do things backwards, be creative. Get into an elevator and face the back wall. Don't turn around. Act like this is totally normal, and greet others, a team, please. Oh Hey Bill, how's it going great game last night, huh. Thank goodness COVID is finally over. 2025 Mm hmm. Am I right, if you live in a big city like New York and ride the subway. The next time you just miss a train. You know what I mean like you run for it and the doors closed in your face, say very loudly, nuts, loud enough for everyone on the platform to turn their heads. Or if you make the train, you run for it and you sneak in just as the doors are closing pump your fist and say, so loud enough for the entire car to hear you. And to think that you might be just a little bit crazy. In an adult world being playful and silly is harmless, and subversive. And it's very hard for the secret police to come for you in the night because you turned your peanut butter jar upside down, or because you stood the wrong way in an elevator. Also, dance in your living room, you work from home right, take a dance party break and go crazy. In fact, I want you to do that right now. Stand up. I'm serious. Take out the earbuds crank the volume, find some space to move around. And I'm going to play the happy hacker dance song. When the song ends, we'll go to live q&a,
are you standing, ready to dance. Here we go. doing good deeds.
Within a scheme you looking for opening foreign entry my approach for you well says, Go away Yeah, open port says competitor makes me a found your weakness. It's a doozy. I exploited that vulnerability penetrated your defenses, I get root now, I'm your box and do when the hacker
could be happy happy accidents. Do
you looking for an opening for re entry my approach, you're fine your boss says, Don't open heart says, either makes me offend your weakness. Now,
we will be happy. Doo, doo,
doo the hacker days.
a scam do you look
for entry my approach, you're finding your whilst is away now open port says come here, there must be a founder weakness. It's a doozy and I explained to you that vulnerability in the treated, your defenses, I get root. I'm your backs and doing the hacker the
Do the hacker.
Do the hacker, do the hacker, do the happy
Do the hacker hacker dance. Be happy dance, do the
dance happy. Be happy dance, do the dance.
Be happy happy.
Well, If you're still watching and you haven't gouged out your eyeballs. I guess it's
time for q&a
and welcome back with J. We are here with jm pora. Check out his comedy at cyber, cyber, cyber, cyber ninja.
So we've got questions from the matrix
chat. And there's one that we have to ask we have to get this question out of the way right now. You know, apparently your weekly show is a truce your advice column seems to be without any bifurcated leg coverings. The first and most important question do you wear pants, ever.
Never. No, I I make a point of leaving the house with with with just my underwear, you know, either the police don't see me It's incredible, you can hide in plain sight.
Oh yeah, I mean,
I mean, especially since you're based in New York I mean every time we've been there in the past I've been seeing like people wearing the weirdest things or not. And it seems to be working.
I've recently moved back to Toronto where it's minus 30 in January, but you know my thighs skin is remarkably sturdy and survives minus 30 temperatures. It's really remarkable. I think I must be a freak by nature. And
if you can survive it in, in Alberta maybe I'd say your frequent Toronto that seems tolerable. God, I mean, and, you know, I kind of knew you'd be a little bit sinister when you started singing about how much you love connecting with the TSA
It's important Jen, have you noticed this otherwise you're just in
the drift in the sea of nothingness.
Ah, Well, an attendee suggested that the song sounded, what would happen if we made an album with Lou Reed.
Well you know I mean the song was inspired by by a true occurrence I before COVID I traveled frequently and, you know, many viewers may opt out as I do I opt out religiously So, and something set off a scanner. And they're like, okay, sure, you know how they grew up you you know with the back of their hands, they're like, this time we're going to use the front of our hands. So I got TSA finger action down below the belt baby. And I was like I gotta sing about this human connection you know this this was just so extraordinary I mean I just, I kind of share that my love with the world.
Your style. You seem to have some, there's some parallels I've noticed between your work and what the Yes Men have done, I'm just wondering what what influences your work.
Ah, well, I mean, I, I try not to be a copycat of anybody else because you know that doesn't tend to generally work. I'm still figuring out my brand as people have noticed in the chat I have fewer than 100 followers on YouTube so I'm not exactly you know a world famous comedian you know that that would be, you know, nonsense for me to suggest. I think that people are working right now like, you know, Bill Hicks and, you know, George Carlin I love those guys you know the their days past, people are working right now I love Sacha Baron Cohen, I think that his style of because he's more of a more of a clown of the Fallen clown, then than that a comedian, and he really goes after people in the most remarkable and unique ways. I'm not trying to copy Sacha Baron Cohen because I think he's uncopyable but
I would say for modern influences he is definitely near the top of my list.
Well, there's a lot of folks out there that are interested in your personal journey. What other careers might have you landed in.
Well I bounced back and forth between journalism and tech my entire career, I worked as a as a as a programmer and sysadmin way back before they were called saris. I've covered cyber for for seven years I ran a startup accelerator for a while. I recently finished a master's degree in cyber security from UC Berkeley working on my oscp right now.
I think some mixture of of cybersecurity and journalism is the most likely future you know comedy is a side hustle you know how many of you laughs You make a living in comedy, I'm under no illusions I'm not quitting my day job you know I mean, but I love hacking legally naturally. I love journalism and life right now I think, you know, I hope I expressed this in the video life right now is very frustrating and disappointing for many of us and I feel that too, and comedy is a way to
blow off some of that steam you know i mean
i mean absolutely. Now on the flip side has your comedy work ever caused you problems and other work, or perhaps the alternative Did it ever help you in that in those other lines of work. How do you heal those intersections between aspects of your life.
Well, you know, I do the best I can to compartmentalize my life before COVID hit that was really easy. You know I would go to stand up clubs in New York, five nights a week and and try to hustle my way somewhere, and that was entirely offline. And I kept it that way on purpose. But now we have no choice we live in the virtual realm, full time and that will continue for at least another year maybe longer. And so for me it's about how do I find an appropriate way to wear multiple hats in the virtual domain and keep many of my. If I can use a bullshit word stakeholders in my live content, because I got to eat too, you know.
Yeah, I know. That's like right now one of the biggest problems that we're facing is you know just keeping food on your family.
Besides, of course your amazingly named website cyber, cyber, cyber, cyber dot ninja. That's four cybers dot 33443. And of course five is right out. Absolutely, else on the interwebs can we find your content
right so my, my, my homepage is jam or calm. I posted a link in the chat, I will post it again now to YouTube. If you liked what you just saw, I would really appreciate it if you'd like and subscribe on YouTube that really means a lot I need 100 subscribers so I can actually change the name of my channel to cyber, cyber, cyber YouTube enforces a mandatory minimum to be able to name your channel So, also on Twitter I am to hold a quill to hold a quill. And also, so I'm seeing questions being here on the zoom. You seem willing to wear hats, but not pants no I'm anti pants. I am anti PANTS, PANTS are, you know, the devil. I feel like, you know, we need exorcisms for pants absolutely, you know, kilts all the way man.
There is bears that have never had to the question I was gonna ask you if you're going to be on Team kills, but apparently so
I'm I don't actually only kill, but if you if you have a kill all power man, all the power.
Right. So, slightly more serious. Tangent though. There are so many venues now where it's difficult to discuss topics for instance, but say one is on Twitter and mentioned self harm. It could result in a post being muted or an individual being post blocked or in some cases, dispatches of law enforcement there. Now these horns are keeping folks up at night. They will keep trying to talk about some of these seemingly verboten topics. But our asker accepts that it's impossible in a waste of time but wonders how else you can make the bait some of these serious issues. When you have to deal with platforms that are restrictive on their on their content.
Well that is a great and I'm very important question and. No, on the one hand we can debate politically, how the First Amendment fits in a world where the only way you can have speech is on a privately on platform. However, I, I personally do not have the power to call up jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg and say I want you to do the following. They're not gonna take my call. they're not going to change the way that they do business. I personally have no control over that. But what I can do and what you can do is you can play within the rules as best you can to say the things you want to say. And oftentimes, and again this was the point of the talk. Oftentimes, direct confrontation is not the most effective way to get your point across, and I hope I made that clear in the video I recorded. You know, sometimes, playing with the pain that we're all worried about in a humorous way is is potentially far more effective than you know, shouting in all caps on Twitter or calling somebody a jerk, or you know exactly I'm talking about like I've been there years of Twitter flame wars get you know where it gets you nowhere, it just burns you out stresses you out changes, no one's mind and you're the worst for the where. And so for me my conclusion and you know you got to do. You're right. Everybody's got to do their thing, but for me, I don't think that's effective I think there are better ways to speak your piece.
Now, in that same sort of vein I know that this is going on a bit of a less of a positive note than where we were earlier but what bums you out I mean are you keeping a positive attitude despite the pain.
What bums me out. What does not.
That does not bum
any of us out right now. you know, American democracy is, if not dead dying we've got COVID we're stuck at home we can't travel we're losing our jobs you know our friends are dying. I mean, and when you're in that kind of situation, you know, I would never advocate or engage in self harm, but what you can do is you can laugh at it, you know, I think you can laugh. You can cry, or you can mock. And I'm not a big fan of crying you know I think laughing when you can't change it and mocking when you can change it, are, are the most sane ways of engaging with the madness that we are all confronted with right now.
During hope we've had a lot of speakers who have been guiding our attendees on how to have difficult conversations, it sounds like you're suggesting an alternative approach. How would you for example approach a discussion about abortion or political issues or other challenging topics of the day.
Well, I mean, I, I feel like the the video recording addresses some pretty serious and heavy political topics I mean abortion was not one of them. And I'm not going to talk about abortion right now I haven't prepared anything on that particular topic, but I think that, you know, there is a valid and effective time and place for protest and for direct political action and speech within the bounds of norms and laws, and you should absolutely engage in those legal activities because if you don't engage in them you're going to lose the right to do so. But I think that there is also an appropriate role in a free society that has a right to freedom of speech that goes beyond just, you know, a protest, or an essay or a soapbox speech on Twitter to a little bit of playfulness because it's so much more difficult to engage with people if you if they think you're attacking them. If people don't think, you know, George Bernard Shaw said make them laugh, if you want to tell the truth, if you want to tell the truth, make them laugh or they will kill you. This is a lesson. And I think that there are ways to be playful and humorous that are far more effective in addressing those serious issues than simply being confrontational.
Absolutely. Now, I think we're about out of time. And hopefully I mean you've been joining us in the livestream q&a and thank you very much for that. Pleasure, you know, but here's the last question that I've got for you there is some serious love of your beard going on in our chat now can you give some insights on how you do it.
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which you won't take Bitcoin, now I'm sad. Only Dogecoin only Dogecoin. Okay, you've got standards, then thank you very much for joining us at hope 2020 jM pour of Gods I can't wait till we can meet up again in person.
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