Ep.81 Pen To Paper, Voice To Ears (Elissa - Song Writer And Singer)
2:08AM Feb 26, 2020
Good day everyone who's listening to talk your hobby and this is episode 81 pen to paper voice two ears. I'm your host Alex and today I have the honor to have Alyssa as my guest on the show how you doing today? You got my name wrong. Alyssa. No Lisa Yeah, Elisa Dang,
this is the this is the funniest thing you know why? Because the entire purpose of the name. This is not relevant to the episode but the name of my youtube channel all my social media is it's Elisa not Alyssa. The point is because no one can get my name right. So I put it as my name so people can learn it and then people still get it wrong and it's the it's the funniest thing. ever so like, Don't feel bad everyone gets it wrong. I just find that hilarious.
And what's even worse is that before you came here, I was watching your videos. I'm like, I know she does that for intros. I'm like, okay, Lisa, right. Yeah. But of course I messed up. Because you know how you always think of the name you're
thinking then you ruin it? Yep.
Yeah, that's exactly. Elisa purse. I will not mess it up again. But yes, she is my guest on the show. And she's gonna correct me throughout the entire episode. But yes, thank you for being here. It's kind of cold outside and she's back in Canada. She's been away for a while. She hasn't. So I was gonna say suffered the Canadian winter. And while you have an experience of Canadian winter in a while,
yeah, it's been a few years.
Yeah. But you know, we're in a nice cozy room and today we're going to be talking about your hobby. But before we do that, who is Lisa?
Okay. I hate this quote. I love it hate this question, because it's like the answer is always too long because everyone has this big, long dramatic story. But um, I would call myself a creative person, I guess. Like, I'm kind of a hack. So it's like, I, I'm creative, but I'm not like trained at anything that I do, I just like to like doing it. If there's something artistic, I can base, I'll probably like it, and try to do it and be like, at least slightly above average in it, which is why I described myself as a creative person. And also, it brings me great joy to do creative things. So, you know, my interests surround, as I said, like music, acting, baking, maybe, you know, anything like that, that kind of thing. And so I'm just I'm a very curious person. I like knowing how things work. I like knowing how to do things, and trying to be the least useless human being possible.
So that's like a brief little intro to who I am sort of, that's a perfect intro. That's you're pretty much saying you're a jack of all trades, which
is all I'm not.
I'm not saying that I'm necessarily good at those things. I mean, it's interesting. I've have had people say like, oh, you're good at everything. And I'm like, No, I'm just Decent creative things. I can't do math at all and and things similar to that, like usually people who are good at math and the other things that they're good at. I'm not good at that. So it's interesting that you say that because people have described me that way before. But
yeah, it's a jack of some trades.
Yes, sure. Let's let's put it that way.
Well, you know what, I'm not good at math either. So we're in the same boat. If we're doing a math problem, we're both screwed.
Yeah, pretty much. It's just pretty bad.
But luckily today, we're not talking about math talking about one of your passions and something you're very creative, creative about and amazing at music, not just music itself, but it's actually songwriting and singing. We I'm tone deaf, so you have to teach me everything about it.
I don't know about that. Um, yeah. So I mean, it's, it's something I've always loved. And it's tough because as I said, because I'm a creative person who doesn't just stick to one thing. I like a lot of things I've always, ever since existence, ever since I came into it. existence have liked to sing, have liked acting of like movies have liked, you know, right? Like I have memories of like sitting at the computer. I'm sure every kid most kids have done this but just sitting at the computer like seven or eight years old, like trying to write a book, like for who knows who knows why but just like stuff like that. And so I've always or baking or I'm drawing drawing is actually probably the creative thing that I'm the best at, because it's something I can actually look at and assess more objectively than anything else. Or where was I going with this?
You're a very creative person. You've dabbled with music ever since you were
Yeah, so I did sorry. And so um, I've loved it ever since I was young. And I've always felt like somewhere deep inside. There's like some sort of talent. Like I know, there's like some level of something deep down. I just need to bring it out. And I've never taken it seriously, I suppose. I mean, I've always been kind of serious about it. But I've never, you know, been trained. I've never taken lessons. I never learned music theory not that most people don't but you know what I mean? I've always kind of just done it at home because my brother got a guitar when he was like, he's a few years older than me. And then I just kind of said, Oh, let me try this. Just kind of did it like, Oh, can you show me something quickly? Really quickly, quickly show me like, okay, here's how you hold the guitar. And then I just looked up chords on the internet and just did it, you know, and it's not. I just kind of did it that way. So I'm not trained. And so I always feel like imposter syndrome to the max. Like, I always feel like, like the fact that you intro it and said, singer, songwriter, that scares the lot. Like, that scares the guts where I feel like crap out of me. I was like, I was deciding, I'm like, Wait, can I yeah, it scares the crap out of me because it's like, um, but then you have to be like, kind of objectively good to like, at least that amount of people. And so that title scares me. But I just I feel like I don't deserve it yet. You know what I mean? But at the same time, it's like, I think we have to remember that just because we're doing something that a lot of people are amazing at. We see videos on YouTube all day of people being Phenomenal at them doesn't mean I have to be held to the standard of a professional and doesn't mean that I can enjoy a hobby. Just because lots of people are just because it's a popular hobby. You know what I mean? It's like, Why do I feel this pressure to be perfect? I'm not. It's not my main occupation. And so why do I have to feel guilty about it? So I think that's an interesting topic that probably comes up a lot. Or Mike might have come up before and in previous episodes, but yeah, so anyway, the point is that I've started taking singing lessons recently, because I want to, first of all, not damage my voice. Make sure I'm doing things properly and reverse the years of improper technique that I've, you know, tried to learn on my own because I've had to rely just on YouTube videos. And now I have a couple of friends who sing a bit but that's now I never really had like friends who shared that hobby. So we can like give each other tricks and stuff and so, again, I've relied on YouTube videos now I'm like, okay, singing teacher, tell me am I doing this right? Because the thing is like singing is really sorry, I'm talking so much. What you need to say I'm singing is so tough because it's like, it's so personal. And it's literally you like you are the instrument. So when someone says you're bad, you don't think my singing voices but you think I'm bad. Like, I suck. You know, someone says my guitar playing is bad. I'm like, Yeah, you're right. It's not that great. But if someone says, My voice is bad, it hurts so bad. Because it's internal. It's me, I'm stuck with these vocal cords. Like Yes, you can improve a lot like you can really improve your singing a lot with training, but the general like tambor of your voice, the way that your voice is, doesn't change. And so you're kind of stuck with it. Whereas with a guitar, it's like, oh, it's external. I can see physically that I'm positioning it improperly or I can get a better guitars you get a better sound. It's a completely different universe. And so I feel like that makes singing more scary, you know, and so So it's tough, it's tough to judge. And that's why it's like, it's one of the hobbies I enjoy the most, and I do the most, but that I feel like I'm on the worst side. Just because if I, if I do one of my other hobbies, like drawing, like, I can look at it and be like, you know what, this is pretty good like that, because I usually draw portraits and so like, you know, that looks like a person that looks kind of real. Yeah, they're like some issues here and there, but like, no big deal. Anyone looks at it. And like, this is this is a side note, but I feel like people need to be able to say like, if they're good at something, they should be allowed to say, allowed to admit that they're good at something and I find this like, kind of annoying, but that's something I actually feel like, you know what, like, objectively it's above average, like, I know that I'm not stupid. But with singing, I cannot tell at all. I really cannot tell. I cannot tell if I'm like average, or above average or like garbage. Like I have no idea where I stand in terms of skill. And it is so frustrating because everyone wants to feel like they're good at the thing they love doing and it's not so thing that I just like, it's something I've loved forever. It's just like, I remember sitting in my room when I was like, again, seven, eight, whatever was like, as long as I could remember, with my little boombox listening to Avril Levine and like singing quietly and being afraid that anyone was going to hear me because I thought it'd be bad. And so this paranoia has, has been there over the years, and I've been stuck. It's, you know, stayed with me. And so I think that's like, it's tough.
So, it's to like a certain point where you not, I'm not judging you, but like, the idea is that you are your own worst critic, and you're always trying to compare yourself to a celebrity that's singing, even though let's say, I would compare myself to Christina Aguilera, my voice cannot be compared to Yeah, but in the back of my mind, like I could give that a try. I'm not gonna be as good as herb. But it's that constant fear of being judged and I I could imagine social media does not help as well either, where everyone is just showing their best side.
nobody saw necessarily the struggle of going up and I saw one of your videos talking about you had a one You're more recent videos just showing more open side of you talking about your reality and stuff like that. And you're more open to the reality of that. But speaking of which, because I talked about social media, do you have any social media links or websites that you'd like to share so people can come support you and see you performing and also Italian?
Yes, yes. So you know, I don't have any music stuff on there. Occasionally I'll like sing over one of my Instagram stories or like sing over a live stream, although I haven't done it in a while but the most, I suppose popular social media site that I have is YouTube. So my my handle everywhere is it's Elisa, not Alyssa. So it s Li SSA and OTAY SSA, on YouTube, Instagram. And then Twitter's the same thing just without it's because for some reason, Twitter has such a short, like the username space is so short such pain. So um, if anyone cares, then that's where you'll find me. They all
I don't care. I'm gonna make them care. listening to this you have to care you have to care about you gotta support Lisa. See, I'm not gonna put in I'm like, Lisa My face is like sweating trying to figure out
I just had to correct you. Of course me like I'm the person that will tell you if like there's something in your teeth just because like I would want people to do that for me. Like I don't because then it's much more embarrassing like I'd rather you just tell me straight up and that's like a common theme in my personality of just being like very blunt. So
it's like it i life's easier that way in my opinion. Anyway, so you My name is Alec song. So French, but my dad can't pronounce it. So he just really likes
on and I'm like, that's cool. I'm still his son. That's as long as he doesn't say Who are you? I'm cool. But speaking back to the music aspect, you also write lyrics right
trying to write so
here's the thing, like I wrote a couple of songs. When I was, like around 16, or 17, which in my opinion are quite bad, that they're not bad, they're just like, it's like something I've heard before a million times. It's like nothing new. So I'm like, it's kind of like boring. I don't I'm not a fan, you know. And I didn't even touch writing for years. Now I'm starting and over the years have always, like, gotten an idea for a song concept and like, ran to write it down, like, okay, here's the concept, here's some lyrics. And then just never going anywhere with it, trying some chords, and then, you know, not finding chords that really work, the emotion doesn't fit. And then I just, you know, kind of give up and forget about it. More recently, though, like the past couple of months I've been trying to write because I just feel like I have this song concept and it has to come out like it me I need to get it out of me and write it and like, figure out how to do it. And so now I'm trying to trying to get into that and, I mean, I wrote one and it's one of those things. That's like, I don't know if anyone would ever like this. Like, it's kind of it's not weird, but it's not standard either. It's like kind of, it's just, it's hard. Like, I just don't even know what what it is. And I'm trying to write something else and I'm just, I'm in the middle of it, you know, I'm in the middle of a song right now, like, I have the chord progression and like the verse and the sorry, like the, the melody for the verse and stuff like that. But I'm just like, it's hard because I don't have equipment that makes it easy to do that, like, I need a friggin piano. Like, I need a keyboard at my home in Italy, like I need that space. And so, it's hard because I'm sitting there with a friggin Garage Band. And all I can do is use the stupid keyboard that's in GarageBand with the keys on my keyboard trying to like put inputs, the melodies and the chords, and it's like they only give you an octave and a half. So like sometimes I it's just it's, it's not easy. So it's making it harder than it needs to be and like Just it sucks.
Well, actually, on that note, I have a thing here don't make a mess. It's called an Akai NPK, which is I know, it's not product placement. It's like a mini piano.
Yeah, I need that's basically exactly what I need.
And I've used this when I created music as well, in a smaller version, which is just like the keys itself, which is very portable. And it does work with garage man, this is not a product placement. Yeah. But actually speaking about the music you're creating, I'm still curious about this song. But on this, what kind of music do you do or create, like, what's the genre? What's the story? What's the message? Send out?
I have no idea what it is. Here's the thing. Like when I was younger, I used to listen to a lot of metal. I don't really anymore. I it was kind of like a phase. When I was. I mean, some there were like some things I'll still listen to but in general, like it's something that like if I listened to it now it just like affects me emotionally in a bad way and I can't deal with it. And so I used to listen to a lot of like alternative of stuff, and metal and then occasionally pop. And then as the years have gone on, and then it moves more towards like indie and alternative. And then now I listened to a lot of pop mostly because that's the music that's the easiest to sing. And so I feel like I don't even know what it is because it's like the writing style is more pop. But I feel like it has influences from stuff that I've listened to. So my instinct is to almost make a song progressive. You know what I mean? Because I used to listen to a lot of progressive metal. And so with the first song, it's like, the first verse like each it's it doesn't even really have a chorus. It's just three verses. And each verse has like a completely different melody, like vocal melody, and things change and so that's what I mean about it. Like it's not like it's not like I'm a revolutionary, like, I didn't invent anything new, but it's also not really what you hear on the radio. So it's like disguising itself as pop but with some weird influences. You know what I mean? Kinda like alternative pop. I don't know. I don't know what it I really don't No, but it is it's not. I feel like it's not developed enough yet. Because again, I have like one song that's like, let's say I have a demo of a song with it doesn't even have my voice on I just put like a like a violin to replace my voice for now because I didn't, because I keep changing stuff and I don't want to record my voice 6 million times. And then the second song is just like, it's just half, not even half. It's like the chord progression for the verse and the chorus plus the melody for the verse. And the lyrics are just like a page of like me being what's the word, like distressed and just like writing like my, my feelings to Helen and like, it needs to be organized and it needs to fit and it needs to, you know, I need to play with it a lot. So I'm at a stage where it's very new to me and it's not something that just comes out naturally as like some things do, but but not everything. I have to like sit there work at it, and I feel like over time we'll get to a point where it just becomes natural and hopefully one day I'll like write a song and 45 minutes Decent, that would be great. But for now it's like I just spent hours just like sitting there like let's try this and just experimenting So
yeah, I know the exact feeling the exact pain spending hours just there like I don't like that key. I like that note. I don't like that one. Scratch and do it all over again. Yeah, actually On that note, no pun intended is a horrible pun. Do you create your lyrics around the song like the instrumental or the instrumental around the lyrics?
So it's okay, so that depends. So actually so with with these two songs, specifically because I don't really remember how I did with the ones I wrote when I was younger, necessarily, but so this first song was completely structured around the lyrics, which is probably why the structure so weird, because I wanted everything to like, like everything needed to be symbolic in the song. It's weird. So I wrote this poem, let's call it when I was I think 17 or something. It was actually for like a school like it was in my Shakespeare class. He wanted us to, he gave us a line and he said, okay, you have to have this line and has to have four lines in each part. And, you know, it has to follow the ionic pentameter, I think it was called and has to follow like that, that, that, that, that, that that has to have that rhythm. And it was like good because it for gave me some constraints. And it forced me to write and it just like it felt so good while I was doing that. And then I wrote this poem then and even years later, I'm like, you know, I actually still like this, like, actually think this isn't garbage. This is one thing that's like, survived over the years for me. And I was like, and I always felt like I should make this into a song. But because I was so terribly unskilled, I was like, let's let's save this for one older and I like actually know something maybe. And so that song was completely surrounding those lyrics because those lyrics were like important to me. And I just feel like it's something that can relate to so many situations like I can see that relating to even different parts of my life with completely different situation. So if someone else heard it, I felt like they might be able to appreciate it. You know, and then the second one, that one is just completely around more the concept. So it's like, okay, here's this idea that's continued to come back. I don't really know a song that's specifically about this. So I think this needs to be said. So here's the concept. I know the emotion. Now let's create a chord progression that follows the emotion. Now, let's create the melody and make sure it sounds decent. And then I'll worry about the lyrics. So in a sense, I had the concept I wrote down quote, unquote, lyrics, but there was really just like, getting feelings or getting ideas out of things I want to I want to say and making them more eloquent leader, then focusing on on the song sonically and then going back to the lyrics later. So
yeah, it's an interesting process. I love it. Yeah, it's a lot of emotions. And music is a lot based on emotions. And sometimes it's just sporadic in the moment, like, boom, I want to write about this. And sometimes you have to wait a few hours to write about it. Yeah, but I do understand your process, and it's It's fun and stressful at the same time.
Yeah, but it but it feels so good. Like, it's just, it's interesting because I've always kind of doubted myself. But when I'm when I'm like writing something, something feels so right. It's like I, it's such a strong feeling. I feel like, this is what I need to be doing right now. It's like the universe wants me to do this. It's kind
of like a diary. But out of like a song,
right? Sort of, you know, I'm talking I'm talking more like, the fact that I'm writing stuff like the fact that I'm focusing on singing right now, at this time in my life, the fact that I'm writing stuff like the writing, just writing in general feels way too good to be a coincidence. And so that's what's kind of pulling me towards it. It's like, it's like a magnet, like a really strong magnet. And I like can't get away from it, and it keeps coming back over the years. So I'm like, you know what, screw it. I'm going to try my best and not do the stupid thing where I don't do something because I'm afraid to fail. Just friggin do it and shut up. And just just Just do it because you know, deep inside, there's something in there. It's just you're too afraid to do it and fail. So just do it and shut up and you won't fail. That's kind of how I'm
how I'm dealing with it. So it's your calling. It's your passion. It's kind of, I have a saying for myself, kind of like that's called the fucking mentality. You know what it's like, just do it. And progress from that, learn from that and get better. Yeah, this podcast. This is like my calling. I get that vibe from you your music for my podcast. Like, every time I do this, I'm like compassion. I'm ready to talk and share it to the world. And even when I'm not doing podcasting, I'm thinking like, what can I do to make this better? Who can I get next? Yeah, and I got you, which is perfect. I got another passionate person, which is actually a perfect segue for my next question. What is the best part about songwriting and singing?
Oh, my God, you feel like you're flying. Like you just feel like is this it's the same thing I just said. Basically, it's like, things feel right. And you feel like More than human, almost. It's like you're you're experiencing being a human in like, it's in like its best moment almost.
Do you feel like it's an out of body experience? Or you're fully in control?
I don't know. I don't know. And I mean, neither, I guess. You just like
turn it on.
It's just like, you just feel what I mean. But you feel like you're flying is you feel like,
you're on top of the world. Yeah,
it just feels good. It feels right. It feels like this feels right. And that's why it's hard. Because part of me is like, I'm not that good at it. So like, why does it feel so good to do it? And that's what sucks because it's like, it sucks that there's so many people who are so amazing at it. And there's some people who are amazing at singing and don't really care for it. And so it's frustrating when you like, love something so much and you feel like you're not, not even maybe not even good at it. You know what I mean? And so, I mean, I don't think I'm terrible. I think that there are some people who might not hate my singing but I just I don't I don't know where I stand it. So it's just hard, you know, but I mean, the best thing about writing a song. I mean, I haven't experienced it yet, but I think the best thing would be having someone listen to it and be like that like, like, just giving them giving someone an emotional response and not not a response of like hating. It's a response of like, you know, oh my god, I feel that, like, I felt that before or, like, I understand that, or they just feel like they've been understood. Because, I mean, that's what I get from music. You know, I feel like, I've been understood in a way that I didn't even understand myself and the song helped me like, figure my shit out, you know? And so, yeah,
speaking of which, so you want people to listen to your song and just give you feedback? How does other people's opinion have an impact on your creations? You're, you're saying you like you're simply starting your your whole passion for music now, but you've been doing for a while you don't YouTube and stuff like that as well. How do other people's criticism whether it's constructive or non constructive, have an impact on your passion.
Oh, they have a huge impact. I'm very sensitive. And I'm trying not to be. I'm so because as I said before, it's singing is so personal. And so it's hard not to be sensitive about it. And I love constructive criticism, like I want to know, like, I think I want to know like, okay, here's what I liked. Here's what I didn't like, that's what I want, because there's always something you can improve. But if there's nothing that they liked, then like, why am I even doing it? So what was the question again?
Like, how do you take in people's criticism as in? I'm sure this happens for every field. There's people who give good constructive criticism, and then there's people who just give the stuff that has no impact whatsoever. Yeah, I don't like you're seeing because you have brown hair like well,
you don't correlate mixed together.
No, I mean, I I do take people's criticism very to heart not not to her. I mean, like I take it into account very much. So like I sent myself Song demo thing to a friend and I said like, Okay, tell me what you think like whatever. And he said, oh, maybe it's a little bit slow, like, speeded up. I'm like, Okay, good idea. Let's try it. Like, I'm not afraid to try different things. Now, it depends if there's a specific meaning attached to something I did, then, then I'm reluctant to change it. Because for example, you know, he said, make it faster. And I only increased it by like, three, or I think, by maybe five beats per minute, or something like that. Not by much, just just a bit. And he's like, oh, even faster. I'm like, Yeah, but consider, because consider that the violence supposed to be my voice and look at the lyrics and think about how fast I'm going to have to say the words. So there's always a reason for what you do. And I want people to point those things out because there could be something I've missed. And what happens also is you get so used to what you've created that you can't even tell anymore, and you need, you need an outsider's perspective. So, I really, really, really appreciate constructive criticism, and I seek it out actually. So When I am with someone who sings, I'm like, tell me everything. Oh my gosh, how do you do vibrato? Can you like, how does it work? How do you how do you do runs? How do you do this? How do you like I'm always asking because I just like, I'm so thirsty for knowledge. And I really do want to get better, because I really don't think I'm amazing. And so I know that I have a lot of things to fix. And I really do want to fix them. And so I you know, I don't sometimes I might feel like a bit like sometimes my instinct will tell me to be a bit like sad about something because it's like, all they want is someone to say I'm good not just to say it, but I good, but all it shut up. But no, but all I want is to actually be good. You know, not someone to say it, but I want to hear it because I just want it to be true. You know what I mean? And so it's hard when you don't get like the feedback in the format you want it and the format I want is Okay, first, here's what I like. Okay, I'll continue doing that. Now. Here's the stuff I want you to change. And so when I only get the negative, it's kind of hard sometimes because I'm like, so my bad. Is that what you're saying? You know what I mean?
So I bet you, I don't know, I get this feeling. I don't know if you do want somebody like reviewing one of your songs and stuff like that if you're sitting beside them. One of the best feedbacks for me, is just watching if they're bobbing their head or just like smiling or just yeah, it's like, it's nonverbal feedback. I'm like, okay, they're liking it. They're like thinking they're like analyzing, I do a lot of body language reading. Right? And it helps you realize, okay, this is where I can improve and then we talk but just going when you see someone just bobbing their head, Yeah, a little smile. You know, they like it.
Well, the thing is, I haven't shown anyone anything in person yet. It's always been like, here's the demo on GarageBand. I send it to a friend who lives on the other side of the world, because like the front of cemetery is Australian. Hi, Jace.
yeah, he's in Australia. So I you know, I haven't actually shown to it and watch them, listen to it. And I've always said to him, and like my brother, basically. That's it. Like no one else has heard it because I'm, I'm a chickenshit. So um, so yeah, but in future
So right now you have two people that are your top constructive criticism critics, the ones that are actually helping you grow.
Yeah, for now,
let's get into you don't need like the whole world as your audience because everybody has their different preferences. Like I was saying before. Some people will love you because of this. Some people will hate you because of that. Yeah, it seems like you know who to look to? Yeah, for good feedback. Well, they want to see you grow.
I mean, look, I don't need everyone to love me. It's just that everyone has a different style and not everyone's gonna like your style. That's normal. And some people do have a style that's kind of universally enjoyable. Like not many people will say, oh, Ariana Grande can't sing. She objectively can say, you know what I mean, and maybe you don't like her music, but she can sing well, okay. Maybe you can, you can argue on how perfect your technique is or whatever, but it's like, she sounds good. Okay, and so on. don't even need to be at that level. I just want to be not garbage. Basically, I keep repeating myself, but, you know, that's kind of the point. So eventually when I gain more confidence, and I feel more secure about a song that I've written, then I will share it with more people. And the idea was what I figured out that this Australian friend actually used to be in a band and I didn't know I thought I was sending my stuff to someone who knew nothing about music. Because the point for me is to get different perspectives. So I want the perspective of someone who like writes music, someone who like loves listening to music, but doesn't play it. You know, I want different perspectives or someone who's like not even crazy about music. That way, you get all the different perspectives and see who likes wise, you know, so
I think I could be wrong but I feel like a many many years ago, you sent me some of your songs no, yes. Because we that's how we got connected through family but you I remember used to sing and guitar and I saw Some of your videos yeah my
old YouTube videos
those were so although I deleted those I still have my first songs on
YouTube right now it's cringy but
those are so I don't even have them actually I wish I didn't delete them. I wish she just kept them on private. But those from what I remember they were really bad and cringy So no, yes,
I actually did.
Look when I look at and listen to other people's songs I don't try to compare them to another artist. So no,
you did you hear original songs or you heard covers of me. I
think it was originals. No,
I don't think I've shown
anyone my originals has been a long time but I remember you there's videos in your bedroom with a guitar
and no videos. I never done okay, originals. Okay,
if it was a cover, I never heard that song before. Okay, yeah, maybe maybe to me was an original. I mean, it was good. I liked it because it was the effort you put into it. That's what I actually enjoyed.
Oh, please don't give me that effort thing.
But the thing that bothers me about that is like anyone can put effort into something and still be bad, but you put passionate effort,
you can put like, I can put an effort doing the dishes, but I can be angry doing the dishes, or I can put in like, passion doing the dishes. I'm not like comparing you singing as doing dishes. But you can see that you're very passionate about it.
Yes, but there still has to be some objective things in place in order for it to be good.
It's the objective that you I think I saw like two or three videos. So the fact that even after the first one, you made another one and then another one. So for me, what I really enjoy whenever it comes to an artist creating stuff is the idea that they keep on trying whether they It was good or bad. The idea that you evolve, like I have, what, 81 episodes of podcast, like I'm not blaming my guests, but I sucked as a viewer at the beginning. I still suck now. But the fact that I keep on trying is what I find admirable for myself. That sounds very egotistical and cocky but it
doesn't it doesn't at all. No, but I mean I think like we also need Be realistic too. Because I think if you do, if you just talk about efforts, then it doesn't mean that you should quit. But like, people can still be bad. And so like, although you appreciate their effort, it doesn't mean like, I think there's a difference between appreciating the effort someone puts it and actually appreciating the the end result like the product. So my question is, did you appreciate the product?
The end result from my recollection? Yes. If you were to ask me what the actual melody was, yeah, I couldn't remember. Yeah, I do remember the little feeling that I did enjoy it. Oh, and I think I showed it to my sister. No way.
Oh, my gosh, it's embarrassing.
Yeah, well, the fact that I like to share I shared it with people the show I really liked it. If if you do remember the song, I wouldn't mind listening to it right now if you were to sing it
over this podcast. I think one of the songs I did was yellow by Coldplay or the scientist account was one of those Coldplay songs and definitely something by Avril Levine. I remember that for sure. Yeah, so good times, but it must have been like, what,
nine, seven or 10 years ago,
I was like 15 or something or 16 to go 60 when I was playing those days, and the funny thing is that when I look at 16 year olds now who are so good, but then I look at myself and it's like, okay, me being 16 putting those videos up, kind of like, being shit, in my opinion, being shitty, but not realizing it. And like kind of being blind to the truth reminds me would be like those people when they're 10 years old, putting videos on the internet, like people now who are 10 years old putting videos on the internet. Like, that's how I feel like that, that level of like not realizing what you're doing. That's how you feel like, what I was at 16. If that makes any sense.
It does. But it's kind of like the idea like when our parents were looking at, or even we look at kids that are like two, three years old are using iPhones like better than we can. Yeah, it was just the idea that they were introduced it introduced to it a lot earlier or they've been exposed to it more. There's all these situations that made it I feel like I'm trying educate you, you know what you're doing? I don't need to. My point
is just that, like, I feel like, Oh, I was so young, but I'm like I was 16 It wasn't that young, like I should know better. I should have been more aware of like my skill levels what I feel and so I feel like those are really embarrassing. And I did find a cover actually on SoundCloud, which is private, so you're not going to find that, but I found and I'm actually considering re recording it so I can compare it. It was an everliving song again. And I found it on SoundCloud. And I was like, oh, cringe, or will at least I've improved like it like actually made me feel better because I'm like, I'm better now. Thank God I was 19 now I'm 25 so thank God I improved in friggin six years. But um,
yeah, see with us that effort aspect group, but we can go back and forth. Long story short, I appreciated what you did you shared with me, which you didn't share with a lot of people I think and I really liked it and I can't wait if you're willing to share it. I can't wait to hear your new stuff that comes out. Oh god. Speaking about making new stuff, Would you ever consider writing songs or seeing with somebody else, or you're more the type to do it? solo,
oh, I would love to do it with someone else that would be really fun, especially because I'm so new at it, that I feel like at the beginning, I can learn so much from someone else. And like, especially in the writing at the writing department, I can learn so much and like, bounce ideas. I'm really the type of person that does really well when I can bounce my ideas off of someone else. Which is why like to my brother sent my brother like friggin 10. Like, I would change something and send him a version. Usually I'll send him a version like I just like this the way I am. I really enjoy other people's input. And so yeah, doing something with someone else would be great because I can, you know, especially someone who does music who can be honest with me, and really told me like, no, that's not a good idea. Oh, yeah, that's a good idea. So I so I know when me doubting myself is actually accurate. You know what I mean? So yeah, I would be totally open and happy to like, write something song I think that'd be really fun.
My wife doesn't write but she does sing. And she used to be in the band and she plays the piano. Maybe town but honey. Nancy, if you're interested. Yes, Lisa will be more than happy. Right,
right. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that would be so fun.
Yeah, no, I just put her on the spot. But no, today is not about her. It's about you. What would you say was your biggest challenge when you actually first started? first started was life No, I mean,
existing and no more just songwriting and singing. So both separately, the challenge, yeah,
the challenge is never not being able to judge yourself. So here's the problem with singing because it's so internal. The way that you hear yourself while you're singing is literally different than how other people are hearing you. Because the sound is traveling through your skull, and it's changing and you're hearing the sound coming out your mouth back into your ears, and you're hearing it vibrate in your skull. And so you are literally hearing something different and that's why we need Saying you sound better to yourself this for the viewers not for you, because I'm sure you know, but you literally sound better in your head. Because of that, because when it goes through the microphone, you're not hearing the vibrations in your head, and it makes it sound more weak. So when you sing you always feel like it sounds more deep and more powerful. And then when you actually listen to it recorded, you're like, oh, why does it sound so much weaker? And so that's the issue is not being able to judge myself and being so used to my voice that I can't tell if it's good or not, like does this sound good? I have no idea. And so I would say that's probably the biggest challenge because I have to rely on other people to tell me what's going on. You know,
I completely understand where you're coming from like when I'm editing this and editing my voice and my my guess is voice as well. I go into so many details like I zoom in so much I'm like why does that sound weird? Why sound weird? there? Was that sound where my guests always sound amazing. So no comment on that. But for like I don't know about you, but I try when I listened to songs I did. I listened to it on different devices. Yes. See ya how the audio comes out. So like the phone the speakers, my head says I'm like, all right. Do you do that too?
Oh, yeah. Oh my god, I yes. I definitely listen to things on headphones first. This was my first run. And then after I listened on speakers and stuff, and actually when I sing, especially when I'm going to Italy, I basically use the, you know, like a voice memo, no app on my phone, and I sing a song and I'm recording it. And every song is recorded every practice of every song ever when I sing. The only thing I don't record is like, obviously warming up. But every song I practice is recorded. And then I wait a few hours. So I kind of I kind of detach from what I just heard myself saying or even listened to the next day sometimes because sometimes we listen to it right after it sounds better. Because you're you're relying on your memory of what you sounded like more than what you're hearing. And so I'll record myself and later on, listen to it and judge and try my best to judge and be like, Okay, what was good about that. This was bad and my straining, and my Intune stuff like that. And so I rely a lot on on that, but mostly when I listened to myself, saying I do it on headphones, but um, yeah,
actually, you brought up a really interesting point talking about straining your voice and stuff like that. There's some people who prefer to sing in the morning when your voices your vocal cords are relaxed, some people in the evening for you Do you prefer doing singing in the morning or in the evening? And also for writing Do you prefer creating in the morning or in the evening?
So singing more towards the middle of the day is the best point because well at the depends so in the morning, if I have tea right before, but still, I'm usually not in the mood to sing in the morning yet. It usually takes like a few hours for me to have the time and like be in the mood. And I just feel like my voice is at its best in the afternoon. Whereas now my voice can get a little bit like vocal fry, eat. And so I am In order to avoid vocal brightness, I prefer not to do it late. But yes, the singing definitely in the middle of the day, I would say writing, this is a good like, this is a creative time for me. Like or like, kind of evening is a creative moment when it starts getting dark. But it's not too too late. I start to like, get ideas. Like even now I feel like kind of inspired. So
Oh, good. Hopefully I helped out with that, if not know, like me for back in the days when I used to create instrumentals. And sometimes I'd start like at 6pm and finish at say 6am that's the over the night. But for me was like the late nights because my brain would just go into the like this autopilot. And instead of overthinking, I'll just do stuff. I'm like, Oh, cool. And then the next day I come back to it like oh, that's actually good, or what was I thinking? That's cool. Have you ever had one of those moments where your brain just goes into autopilot when creating something you're like,
when I write vocal melodies I don't I just I just start put let my fingers go and then I'm like, oh, how did I do that, then? Yeah, so that this happened to me some lies, but definitely not a night person. I don't like maybe if I've started creating Around this time, and I keep going for a few hours into midnight or one o'clock, yes, but I don't start late. I'm just not a night person. And I get tired really early. And so it's not the right time for me. Which is, which is surprising, because most people say that they're really creative at night, but I'm just not here an afternoon creative
person. Yes. And back to the challenge aspect. What is your current biggest challenge?
I don't know. It's like, it's kind of the same. I feel like it's all it's just like, I don't know, what my level of skill is. And I don't know if when people give feedback if they're honest with me, or if they hold back because they're afraid to hurt my feelings. And so I just never know if I can trust anyone's opinion of it. And I read too much into it because like, you know, even like with with my mom, Hi, Mom, but like, you know, like, you know, I'll sing something For her, and then she doesn't. I don't know. She'll be like, okay, yeah, this song is better, but I'm like, okay, but like, Do I sound good? Yeah. Like, what the hell is that? Oh my god. Okay, so Am I bad? I didn't say that it Isa. And I'm like, it's just like, you know what I mean? I like read too much into everything she says. And it's like, okay, is she not saying is she trying to like, not hurt my feelings? Or is she just being honest? And not saying, you know what I just I have no idea what to think of about anything. And so whenever somebody says like, that they liked my voice. I'm like, shocked, like, genuinely shocked like, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not trying to be humble. I'm genuinely shocked. And so it's it's just everything is hard. Like, absolutely everything is difficult, but it's also magical and fun. And so it's just it's, it's just a roller coaster,
roller coaster of emotions. But yeah, I do agree that you do have a nice soothing voice like I said at the beginning,
no but speaking voice and I'm sure if we have a chance to we're going to hear the singing voice. No, no. I have to give it a try again. Maybe one day, but yes, you have a very welcoming presence here. Hey, we haven't seen each other in years, I guess. Yeah, years, two years. More. No, yeah. When I got married, oh, my wedding dress holder. You guys need to know about that. But either way. Yeah, you have a very welcoming presence. And I feel like you bring that same passion and effort. The two things that I am focusing on into your songs but so for you I'm sure singing has stressed you out on songwriting has stressed you out. What have you done to de stress? Do you just walk away or do you just try to work on a different song do you do exercise, eat food, watch TV, download, create a rocket ship.
What do I do to de stress when it comes to singing so well? That's the thing. I mean, singing itself is not stressful, like, it makes me feel good. But again, the comments, not not feeling like feeling like I'm not confident about it, yes can make me stressed. So when I'm writing something, and I feel frustrated with it like, or I feel like I'm not moving forward, like, it's no problem, I just stop it. Like, I'll get back to it later. Even if it's 10 minutes, even if it's five minutes, if it's six hours, if it's three days, it doesn't matter. I just, I don't have a problem putting it down and going back to it later. Because especially because it's so convenient. It's just not in GarageBand. And I'm always on my laptop all day. So I can just open it up quickly. It's not like I have to do this, this grand setup. Like if I have to set things up and record my voice that's a pain in the ass. Then if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it and finish. But because it's just on my laptop, I can easily put it away. So yeah, I just do something else. I just close it, watch some YouTube videos, or what I might do is watch a video specifically on songwriting. Because the thing is like I'm just starting to learn a little bit about music theory. And so that's actually I forgot to mention that earlier. That's why I stopped for so long. Because I didn't know what I was doing. And I'm like, I at least need to know the basics. At least I want to, in order to write a song properly, like I was like, okay, don't you have to, like choose a key or something and then, like, choose chords that fit the key, and then like, choose a melody that fits the key, you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, Okay, I know these things connected. Like I don't know anything about anything. And so you know, I've, I've learned the some of the some of the basics, and so now I can actually and now I feel more free. So that's the thing the knowledge is very freeing. Because before I was just scared of like, I know you can hear it. If you have some sort of musical ear, you can hear if something's wrong and it doesn't fit, but I still wanted to know it logically. So I can attack it from different angles. But anyway, as I was saying, I might just like watch a video on songwriting and and that might like inspire something Or you know, here's how to write a melody and like it just kind of sparks an idea and you know it just it just works or I'll just do something else like it's not I have no problem stepping away from it
that's good that's a good I'm the opposite I like I try to just hammer it out. Yeah, until I get it it just gets worse and worse until I'm like you know what? Maybe I'll just step away Yeah, but on that topic I'm not gonna say no again. Has it ever happened that you let's say when you're creating your song there's a certain key you want to reach and when you're recording you just can get that key No matter how much you try so you try to change it up.
Oh, like with with singing like a certain note?
Yeah, like or the speed or just the combination you don't hit the note you want wait
Sorry, sorry, go back racing with songwriting or with just singing. Sing. Oh, if I can't hit a note like not
necessarily good just high page but like just any no like you planted in your head. You want to achieve that specific note? It just doesn't come out or come out.
I mean, I how do you how would you say it
No, it doesn't. Like you hit every note.
No, no, it's not
it's not that I mean, I don't have that high of a voice like I have like, I'm probably mezzo soprano like I'm probably I don't think I don't have a high voice I don't have an extremely low voice either. And probably somewhere in the middle. My range is actually not bad. It's just does my voice sound good in general is the question although I don't really have any problems singing loud and and kind of high. But according to my mom, it doesn't sound good.
It he said, You sound good when you sing like nice soft songs. Like okay.
Actually, it's funny I experimented so because Okay, so I created this like half assed karaoke set up at my house, just with like a mixer and my brother did it just like a mixer and some microphones that we had, and we just connected it to the sound system plus my laptop and, and I've been enjoying that. And so anyway, whatever we were we saying the other day for like six hours straight, like both of us back and forth, me and my mom. And
those are moms doing well. No.
She's cute, but she's like, she it's funny because she, it's like we're this. We're the same in the sense that she's always likes to sing. But she's always felt like she sounded bad and so she never really tried. She has kind of a cute tone, but she's very flat. And actually, I, I'm better at it now, but like, I tend to fall flat when I sing. It's really annoying. But anyway, so I started instead of singing the songs I was singing earlier, which were more loud. I started like, okay, she's like, Lisa sing something soft. I'm like, okay, Billy Eilish. So I just I started I went through like 10 Billy Eilish songs. Every single one Mom, do you like it? Yeah, it's nice. This one. So like, okay, so you like Billy Eilish? You like Taylor Swift? Because I was saying he tells us swift songs that she said she liked it. I was singing some songs by Julia Michaels and she said she liked those. So I'm trying to see like, Okay, what artists does someone else consider, like songs that fit with my voice. And so I was kind of doing that, but I Anyway, you were saying having trouble reaching high knows it's not that I can't reach them. It's that they apparently don't sound very good. Or like my voice is strong enough maybe. So it's like, good and bad.
So it's a lot better than me. I can tell you that you could probably picture with this deep voice. I cannot
reach any high. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing. And so you need to find singers who who have that voice your Armstrong. Yeah.
Frank Sinatra. Just in that tone. Yeah. Also, on a more darker side. What are some misconceptions about people who write songs and also sing?
Oh, the first thing that comes to mind relates to YouTube. And as I go, I guess it's sort of only half relevant to the question, but this idea that like, if you're a YouTuber, you're not allowed to make music. Because it's like, there's this thing on the internet. It's like, another youtuber trying to make music and I'm just like, do I This is
this is a voice.
This is what people don't understand. creative people tend to like more than one creative thing. Like even you, you were like always into music. Now you're doing this podcast thing. I'm sure you have other creative things you like to do. creative people don't just stick to one thing necessarily. So why are people so surprised that actors also saying or singers like to act, or YouTubers like to sing? It's like, half the people on YouTube have wanted to be singers or actors or do whatever. And they just use YouTube as one of their creative outlets because they can actually do it and be visible. And then they're like, Okay, well, now that I have a million subscribers, maybe I can actually make a high quality thing. And then people are like, like, Why is she trying to sing now? You know what I mean? And I just find that so unbelievably irritating. So I think that's that's kind of a misconception more about creative people in general that they like have to stick to a box. And yeah, that's what I have to say about that.
Music and songwriting what has it taught you in life? If you had to say one big thing it taught you what would it be?
Um, how fun escaping your destiny, it will piss you off until you do it. So just do it and shut up and stop being a baby.
girl like that. You don't want to be left with what if?
Yeah, it's like, just do it. Just do it.
Exactly the bunch of shadows in this one.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, just like, you know, if you really, really love it, go find a way to get good at it. Go work your ass off. Like just find a way because if you really really love it, and you don't do it, you're you're going to suffer. I mean, as long as you're a creative person, because I've been scheduling creativity into my day. It's like, especially when I was in Italy. Now my schedule is a bit weird because I'm here visiting but I will literally schedule like, okay, from one o'clock to three o'clock. I'm like, just working on singing or something like that, or, or whatever. And I've noticed that I'm so much happier because of it because I'm making time to do something that's so essential to my personality. And so part of the core of who I am, and that creative stuff is who I am. But partially, obviously, there's a lot to every person, but you know what I mean? It's one of those things like if I, if I could never, never do anything creative again, it would just be so sad. And so schedule it into your day, stop being a bitch and just do it.
talking to yourself or talking to other people right now. I like
it. I'm doing it for anyone who needs to hear it and needs anyone to give them a nice kick in the ass. Because, you know, sometimes we need a nice kick in the ass. And so sometimes I feel like nowadays we're like, you know, it's good to be sensitive in certain situations. But also, sometimes you need a nice kick in the ass. It depends on your personality, but I'm the type of person that needs a nice little kick. Sometimes not
gonna kick you
know, like, I need someone to say like, Just shut up and do it and be like, okay, yeah, you're right. And so anyone listening, shut up and do it.
This is the part of the episode where I shut up and how
And I just do it. Oh man, kick myself in the ass. Yes, kicks. And fro. So we asked it to the beginning of the episode we'll ask it again here. Do you have any social media links or websites that you would like to share so people can come follow you support you? Like, share? Click, I don't everything in between.
Oh, we do this twice.
Yes. It's one of the beginning and I'll be
okay. Sounds good. So all my social media is it's Elisa, not Alyssa. So it's e li SS a not a fly SFA so you'll find me there on YouTube, on Instagram and on Twitter but without to the it's at the beginning. And yes, that is where you can stalk me. And if you do sorry, if you do find me, please send me a message or tweet me saying that you were sent by this podcast because I'm very curious.
Well, hopefully this this episode coming out in March, I think
Yeah, I record way ahead of schedule. So this is Episode 81. But I've just released Episode 68 last Sunday. That's a long time. Yes. I'm sorry. It's ahead of schedule. But I like to prepare just in case anything happens like Yeah, sure. So, but I do give a heads up. Yeah, by all means Give. Give her a shout out give it Lisa shout and she'll give me a shout or shout out me
and I'll shut out back and messaged you back.
There we go. And yeah, so for the last question is a question that
Oh, no, it's over already.
Well, we can make it last longer. Okay,
what's your question? The question
is, do you have any questions for me about songwriting or and singing?
Ooh, I like this question. Okay. Do you still sing? I recorded the song last week. Oh, but
I'm gonna be like you and just say, No, I can't listen to it.
Like, I'm gonna send it to me. I recorded it, but I think I might have to re record it. Yeah, I have to edit it differently. And I'm trying It's been a long time since I made a song I did more instrumentals recently, rather than doing actual songs. I created intros for other podcasts as well. But my wife likes to say I'm tone deaf. I think I can sing a little bit. Yeah. If it's if it's not if I'm actually tone deaf, and it's my confidence that's making me sing. And yeah, Alex showed up. I'm like, No, the world needs to hear my voice.
Yeah. Well, I, first of all, I need to hear that. And I will give you my honest opinion if you want it. But you know, it's actually a really, really, really low percentage of the population that's actually tone deaf. Because tone deaf just means if you hear two notes you like can't tell the difference. And so you're not tone deaf. You just need to train your ear to hear yourself. And so actually, the good thing about that karaoke thing that karaoke setup is I hear myself as I'm singing and so I correct while I'm hearing it, you know, and so that could be beneficial for you. But if you want I'll let you know what I think about That, but that's cool that you that you're doing that he he I feel so understood.
We share the same struggles
So, so so what do you find difficult about singing
for me so I don't sing as much I do more rapping Yeah, like I tried the singing part. And I still haven't found my groove. Right for because my voice is deep. Yes, not too deep. Well, depends on who you ask. Yeah, so I'm trying to find my groove and a singing coach would definitely be helpful if you can teach me how to do it by singing a little bit right now. So I'll try to mimic
No, no, we can definitely like I I know enough to be able to give some advice to other people who have never been given advice before. Like I know what you're supposed to do. So I could definitely give you advice on like breathing, because keep in mind that singing is like at least 80% breathing or something like breathing is almost everything and that breath you just did was right. So basically you have to, like, if your chest is moving a lot, that's like the wrong way to do it. So the natural way has to be like very, very low, like as low as possible. So anyway, you know, this can be done outside of this podcast, but I would love to like chat with you about, you know, the proper way to do that because I am so passionate about it. I love it. I love Even though I'm not the source of all information, but like I love sharing it with other people because because I've nerded out about it more than you have probably because you're focused more on maybe the songwriting or the rapping, and I've nerded out more on the singing so I could definitely help you with that. What about what do you find difficult about songwriting
song Oh, God, uh,
and did you did you stop? Did you go through a big gap where you stopped?
Yeah, actually, I did. It's just that since I moved here, I didn't have enough room. Well, now I do have a bigger piano. I didn't want to come. Yes. And it just that's fact and when I recorded on my parents places in the basement, it was Cold.
The most annoying it was in a nice, cozy situation.
Yeah, but now I don't have an excuse. And now you're telling me to just shut up and do it, do it. Shut up but sing but yeah, yeah,
yeah. And here's the thing I'm trying to learn as well. It's like it's okay to write a bad song and throw it in the garbage. And so far I'm not accepting now, but these first two songs because the concept is too important to me. So, but I also need to take that on that advice as well. But it's okay to mess around and throw it in the garbage. Because like, I've been watching so many interviews about singers and stuff and hearing them say like, I wrote 20 songs and threw them in the garbage before I wrote one good song. So like, why am I expected myself to have the first song be amazing, you know, like, I should. It's not fair to myself. So. So yeah,
well, I was just looking back because I still have my high school book where I would just walk around and just write songs and I've wrote like, maybe 50 songs in there and a lot of them have not been really But it's just the idea of creative writing and just write read, write, read, write, and then pick up on because like you said, not every song has to be a number one billboard hit.
Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. And one of the things I'm doing to practice actually, is writing remember, I talked about writing a book when I was seven? Well, I'm writing a book. For fun. It's just like a like a novel with with a friend of mine who writes, and I find that it helps a lot just to write because the thing is, it's it's quantity. Obviously, it's quality as well. But you know, a song you're focusing on like, such a small text and a small, short thing, and trying to perfect it was with a book, it's like this big idea where you write so many words. And so the fact that there's so much writing helps you to kind of just write and like, just accept that, you know, I can write this sentence and change it after so it kind of makes you feel more free. And so I find that really helpful as well.
One thing my dad taught me, not necessarily for songwriting, but just writing in general when it comes to essays, he told me to just write Right, it's a lot easier to fix something if there's something there than to fix something if nothing's there. Yeah. So the idea of just writing down and then you can just change it like, Oh, well, I don't like that word I can replace with that word. Yeah, it's a whole process.
Yeah. And like, don't be afraid to change the melody. Like, in the first song, like the, the melody in the first verse, I like just completely flipped. It was like, it's completely different than it was in the beginning. And the other one stayed more or less the same. But like, don't be afraid to change things and like, eat two versions, you know? And then ask other people like, what, which one do you like more? So I guess the point is, play and be like a child in the sense that, you know, children aren't afraid to make mistakes and just like play around and do stuff, and that's why some kids are held back even less. And some kids are friggin amazing at things because they just don't care. So like you're alone, you're in your room, don't care, make mistakes, make it oh my gosh, I'm like quoting the magic school bus, make mistakes, get messy. You know, like, do that and that's something I need to do as well. So I'm getting glad that you're you're like getting back into that. So when did you So when did you write it? How long did it take you to write it? And how did you go from the concept to the recording phase? For my most recent song, I probably wrote it.
Seven, eight months No, probably a year ago. But what I want to do is challenge myself so I wrote three verses where each last word wrong with the word nation. Oh, so it's like why do we live in a world? I can you remember the way? What did we I can you remember the lyrics?
You're on the spot and
I'll show it to you later. I'm
nervous. But I always
like to challenge myself when it comes to writing stuff. I tried rapping extremely fast. Yeah, it was hard to cut right singing Yeah, still learning. Yeah. But it's, it's always a challenge. And it's always the effort and the passion like I mentioned. So yeah, there you have it, another body with a hobby. Thank you, Lisa for just coming on. And just already me it was amazing. We just, we made a new connection about listening to me sing horribly. Oh, I'm still dedicated to listen to you sing again. One day is over, maybe what? 10 years since I heard you say, Oh my God. That's correct. That's correct.
I can't believe I've known of you for 10 years.
Yeah, like I've just known of you and we've never like we saw each other only because you had like, you had to be at my house for something. And it had nothing to do with me.
And it's like the first time we actually get to hang out.
Yeah, that's the first time we actually talk in person. That's so weird.
What's gonna happen more often? Right? obvious, obviously, like,
Yeah, well, how long you here for a month? Well, unbelievable. Now, it's like you're leaving January 10. So we have time.
By the time this episode comes out. She's already back Italy or somewhere else. So if you want to learn more about her, you can go check her out on Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, Tumblr, Tumblr, Tumblr. Anywhere else
Facebook, Facebook. Facebook. Yeah, throw it in.
Yeah, it's the same thing. It's It's my Facebook page. So it's the same thing. It's Elisa, not Alyssa. So that's perfect. I'll put
put that all in the description below so people can go check it out support follow like thumbs up plus sign. I don't know what's considered anything that's positive me to like write a list. Yeah. Right beside me. Yeah. And if you'd like to be on my podcast or have any questions at all, you can send me an email at Tom for your hobby at gmail. com. And of course, if you think this episode can be helpful for anybody, by all means, share with them because they might be going through a hard time. And she's doing like a magical jazz hands.
I'm dancing. Yes.
So you know what this episode might help people out, you know, singing and songwriting can be an escape from reality or just bring it back into reality and just feel more free. So once again, thank you. So once again, thank you so much, Lisa.
Oh, thank you for having me. It was wonderful.
So Until the next episode, make some time for your hobby. Take care.