Ep.76 Make Sure To Get My Sexy Side (Vlad - Kink & Boudoir Photography)
4:20PM Feb 9, 2020
Good day everyone who listened to time for your hobby and this is episode 76. Make sure to get my sexy side. I'm your host Alex and today I have the honor to have Vlad as my guests in the show. How you doing today? Good. Thank you. How are you? I'm doing good. We had a few technical difficulties at first but it didn't take too long to resolve it was very patient and we're here now which is great, same time zone so there's no nobody's missing some sleep so we're good to go. So yes, today we're gonna be talking about flood and his hobby. But before we go to go into that, who is flood
Good question. I am a lot photographer, Product Manager, bunch of other stuff. Basically, I do a lot of things. I've heard one person calling me a renaissance man, because I have hobbies and things that I do completely from completely different walks of life. Let's put it this way. So I have a, you know, boring corporate job well, companies or corporate companies are boring. My job I actually love it. And I've been doing this for 10 years, I absolutely love what I do. And my hobbies are usually kind of trigger the other side of my brain. So it's more of a creative outlet or creative therapy, as I call it. So that's that's how photography comes in.
You know, I completely agree with you on the same my job I do has nothing to do with what I do here. So it allows me to be creative, and this is why we have you here that your hobby is pretty creative, and we're definitely going to jump into that. But of course, before we do that, do you have any social media links or websites People can go check out to follow you see your projects or anything like that.
Absolutely. I'm very old fashioned. I still have Facebook the laugh, and I'm on Instagram. The Instagram handle is commander perks PR x that's basically that's all I have. I tried Twitter it's the best space for me and I don't have enough content to throw there so it's a it's the Instagram I have a website is EA l US media z los media that calm but most of my fresh stuff comes up on the Instagram only perfect I'll put that link in the description below and so people can go check it out. And of course
Yeah, I know Twitter is going too fast for me too. I try to jump in. It's kind of like jump rope. You just don't know when to jump in. But it's a learning curve. But lets you know we put people on hold long enough your hobby of today and for a while has been kink and broodwar photography, right? Correct. What is kinking boudoir photography to just give an idea to people listening
So let's let's make this let's make this a bit of a journey. This that's what I do in my like in my main life I take people in journeys from nothing to something. So let's let's try to make the same thing here. So you have a bunch of people taking pictures. And you have all these people who take pictures in pretend they're, you know, funny, cute sexy, and everything there and then at some point, you decide that you want better pictures and that you want better pictures and you can be yourself on on the cell phone or smartphone and it's some people get really creative and get really good stuff. But almost everything you see in from the celebrity world and slightly below that, like bc level several celebrities, they're all they're all made. They're all professionally taken process and all that and at some point, you want to vote you want those pictures, you want to get that but you don't really know how to cut to get those pictures and you sometimes you technical Can't you need camera you need angles you need lighting properly set up and you just can't do that with with a cell phone. So you approach a professional photographer and then there's there's a whole world of professional photographers, landscape real estate, headshots, weddings, weddings is a huge thing. And boudoir photography kind of touches on weddings there's a lot of there's a lot of wedding photographers who are shooting boudoir because, hey, let's do the public pictures for the guests and everybody else and then let's do some for us. Let's do some for you know, just the husband and a wife or husband and husband or wife and wife, depending on how couple is structure. And that's when the wood Alarcon comes in is always, of course, it's not just for weddings there, there are people who are later in life later in their family life or maybe they're not necessarily family, maybe it's for you know, boyfriend, girlfriend or just live remote loved ones who want to have These provocative, provocative faced faced fully taken provocative pictures. Just for fun, just to know to remember, just as I keep saying, Hey, this is what I was when I was 20 3040 5060. And now you're 100 and you want to look, you know, kind of look at this. And remember, I was how you look back when you were 2030 5060. And the king side comes in when you're not truly but what is called the vanilla or what is called the regular, you know, just pretty pictures. There's a whole side of intimate life, whole side of things that people do, and you may have seen it in, in absolutely incorrectly portrayed in the movie 50 shades of grey and in the books. It's absolutely incorrectly portrayed but at least it gave people an idea that there's something else out there. So you know, that's let's think positive it's out there. And and that and there are there things people doing there. There are things People want to capture and since it's even more intimate, it's it requires even higher level of trust as you do that it requires a completely different level of a person who would capture that who would do photography for that. So so you can go to a really good with our photographer but in order for you to take pictures of your kinky side or your Kinky Boots or thing you need somebody else you need somebody who understands that can can you need to someone who can relate to it somehow not necessarily share it, but at least relate somehow. So there's, there's a lot of judging going on. And that's probably what kills kills the appetite for for these pictures. And then then when you need those pictures, you seek someone who relates to your kin, even more than just, you know, regular law photographer, who are recently kind of on the rise, I think, noticed.
Well you know what, this is why we have you here. You're here to just spread the word and inform people about more about Kickstarter. graphy and broodwar and just the whole industry as a whole and the people who do it as well. So get rid of those misconceptions show the bright side of it and how a lot of these people are doing it out of the love of doing it. Right. Yeah, you know, for you. Let's take a step back. How did you get introduced to kink photography and broodwar photography?
Oh, that's, that's a curveball. For me. It was it was a curveball. I tried doing fashion photography. I never really. And it's really kind of funny. I started photography when I was eight years old, and I hated people on my pictures. I absolutely hated anybody it was in the picture. It was like, why are you ruining the picture? picture of this building or monument or whatever. And it just, it just boggles my mind how people get in the way and this was this was a long time ago in a completely different country. So we didn't have Photoshop. retouching costs a lot of money and was completely out of out of reach. So I kind of I was very slow, my, you know, growing as a photographer, and then eventually, I, I'm an immigrant, I came to United States about 25 years ago. And sometime during my career, I was able to afford digital camera. And that was, that was a breakthrough for me because I could now do a complete cycle, the whole lifecycle of a picture from staging, taking the picture and then editing it and then making it look like I wanted to instead of how it came out in the camera in the lab, and then trying to retouch it. So that was, that was completely different. I tried doing fashion photography, but it kind of it was, it was kind of an I probably would get a lot of heat for that. It was boring. It was boring my mind. I talked to probably like half of photographers in New York City. And they're like, Yeah, man, but you got to do it because that's your connection that's networking. This distance that and like, you know what, I don't have to I don't this is it's not like a you know, my livelihood depends on it I make more money doing other things and I just you know I don't have to do what I have to do I wanted to what I really you know have a passion for and I stopped doing true fashion photography at one source creative route doing crazy things like you know, putting a flaming crown on the person putting flowers or or encrusting versus body with Swarovski crystals It was 10 our job by Makeup artist but really got a lot of cool stuff there. Now, or or creating a druid out of proportion, the universe, kind of like us effects now but slightly differ more, more towards makeup and creative effects, versus specifically visual effects for the movies. And one of the things one of the projects I was working on was there the alphabet and for those who don't know it was a French think it was a French Russian photographer in 1920. So about 100 years ago, he created the whole alphabet out of humans. bodies is very unique in its it's not overly erotic even though I think he did it for that purpose, but it's really artistic really created this more art than it is erotica. But it's really cool. And I was absolutely absolutely fascinated. I met a designer who was absolutely fascinated by his works. And we kind of hit it off right off the bat. And she created all the costumes for the models. I took pictures we we did a lot of crazy stuff for that. And one of the things was one of the letters required the model being bound in in something in chains and the rope. So she was basically breaking through breaking through the rose, breaking, breaking free from being bound. And I was I started kind of looking at like, what is how I like tie her up. So it would look cool, because you know, it's all the pictures, it's all the images, and you know, five minutes on the internet. I'm really good at finding stuff. Do it. Freedom for it. I call it core whoring you know, at 11 o'clock you started reading about nuclear reactors and you know, you wake up at 4am still sitting in front of a computer reading about the butterflies in Antarctica and like, how did they get to my most most favorite websites is Reddit and Cora. That's thus the name Cora whoring and I found I found that there's this Japanese style of rope bondage called shabari can book well I keep confusing those two so I'm going to use you borrow from that one. Not to confuse anymore anybody. And the whole point it started as as a way for warriors in the war obviously to restrict movement though they're prisoners but eventually went to be movement deprivation technique in their erotic and sexual culture. And it was really fascinating because it mean you kind of get get get to see how you get there. You know, so comes home from war and wife's you know is being too restless and she's like you know what let me just tell you up and you know promise all
and but it really it really is a fascinating kind of it's an art obviously and it's really fascinating how you can present it and I started learning how to deal with obviously this whole new world I'd never done this before you know you offer this to regular models they look at you like you're a creep and rightfully so because usually they just send their you know looking pretty you not even allowed to touch them which is a big thing in building trust you're not supposed to touch the model without the permission you always every time you want you need to do that you need to adjust something that piece of clothing your hair you have to ask permission so she's up she's making sure you making sure that she's safe she makes sure that you're controlling yourself you're not like guys there's there's this term guy with camera. When you should buy a camera and start taking pictures of barely escaped scantily clad girls and it you're officially a creep now. So you know There's there are certain certain things how you approach doing artistic nudity, nudity and nude photography. And once you start asking them, do you mind if I, you know, put some ropes in you and really throw you off so you can't move they get concern. So it requires certain level of you know, finding the right people and finding the right people the right mindset. And that's how I learned about the whole shabari the whole bondage and you know, once you start digging down the rabbit hole, you can see all the other aspects of BDSM kin, what's you kind of started relating this is this looks cool, this doesn't look cool. Like this, I don't like that. And you start new start the journey in a completely new direction, in your mind and for at least for me, it's in, in my artistic skills in the way what I do in order to create this kind of art.
And I would imagine the first time you actually did it, did you have somebody who taught you how to do it or let's say you had your first model I came in Were you nervous? This about the whole culture or did you have like somebody guide you through the whole process or you just jumped right in,
I didn't jump right in I, I'm the kind of a person who learns everything by himself. I'm not kidding, everything I know I learned by myself. So this one still, but I highly encouraged knowing what I know now. And I would highly encourage, if somebody is interested in learning how to do that, to find somebody who can can show you the ropes literally and figuratively. It is it is a kind of a common phrase in the in the people who do shabari but you need someone to show you the ropes because you really want to make sure you play safe, because this is one of those things that take it to the next level. Think about it from this perspective. If you're in the regular sexual encounter, there, there are multiple ways you can damage yourself. Now think in the BDSM kind of a way. You don't. You're not necessarily you're not not necessarily always have sex like it Shabbat you don't always have sex you just you know sometimes you just have this bondage play but they're much much more they're much more dangerous and there are more ways to hurt the partner than it is in the regular like moneyless situation because now you are applying additional restraints or adding more hurtful things or more or things there that are more stressful generically speaking to the body and the mind of of your partner. So if if there's a way to learn from somebody who are you know, this already made those mistakes or successful avoided them or was thought to avoid them? Absolutely. take that chance. And, and and do learn from somebody who knows what they're doing.
You're giving out a lot of good advice. I yes, you're absolutely right. People should just go out and try to find resources because it can be pretty intimidating, pretty daunting when you first tackle it and I'm glad you're you taught yourself so I'm sure people will listen to this and say, You know what, I can teach myself to If blood could do it, I could do it too.
Yeah, that's what I always say if I could do that you very good. I'm not the smarter Yeah, I'm not the smartest person in the room. But again, it's one of those things where I probably just go I was probably lucky that I did make a lot of mistakes people tend to make when they're doing this plus I tend to read a lot of things that are even tangentially related so I already had kind of set of mine that helped me get through the basics and and move on to more more advanced things.
And for you when it comes to the whole experience, what would you say is the best part about it
again, coming back to photography because I think that's
Wi Fi and both you know, it's they're combined together so why not combine them together? What is the best thing about it?
So okay, the The best part about the the culture and then this whole alternative lifestyles is that You get to express yourself in ways you couldn't. You didn't even think possible before. And it's really cool because especially lately, I noticed that we have grown. We have our we have society, kind of putting more pressure, we go a little bit back, we're bouncing back to being being more prudent, prudent, prudish. What's the right word? And and after sexual revolution, so it's a, you know, back and forth, you bounce one way you then you bounce back the other way. So right now we're going back and to be more prudish, and it's really funny about United States. You know, we get kicked out of England because we were too prude. And now we're here and the Yeah, so that part is the you know, self expression. You get to do things or experience things rather, that you haven't you haven't done before. You haven't experienced before. And You would, unless you are interested in this specific lifestyle unless your experience for the interested in can relate to it, there's no other way you can experience that. I mean the the other, the experience that she would get to get like close to that would be too damaging to your livelihood to you would be too damaging to your psyche that you really don't want to experience that but in a safe and basics for Lainey BDSM encounters it has to be safe and consensual, you have to give consent, you have to receive consent from the other end, and it must be safe for both parties, then, then you can proceed and given that it's safe and consensual environment, then you can experience things that you would be other otherwise would be too damaging for you and for your partner. And as far as photography is concerned, since we're moving on to that, capturing that capturing that experience capturing people who are in this completely different state of mind is absolutely fascinating. It's for me it's completely different side of the art I've seen Some of it but it's absolutely not popular art, it's not pop culture, it's very fringy very edgy, and it's not edgy. Like we used to say always high edge, it's completely different side of the bed, it's a lot deeper the connection that you have with a person, when you're in the BDSM lifestyle when you read BDSM lationship. It's a whole new level of trust. It's absolutely different from anything, you know what, what is called vanilla and I apologize for using this term very loosely. For the regular in the regular relationship, there's a level of trust, otherwise you don't have a relationship, right in the kink or BDSM relationship. There's a completely different level of trust because things that you tend to do are way more damaging, as I said to the body and soul and you need that level of trust in order to proceed. Otherwise, again, you don't have a relationship. Hopefully that answers it.
No, it definitely does. And, of course, you know what sometimes I feel like everybody everybody has a little kinky side and certain points some people are more vocal about it and there's nothing wrong with that some people are more reserved and there's nothing wrong with that. And also to go back on your thing where it's consensual and stuff like that. I would imagine communication is such a big aspect where throughout the entire shoot, you would communicate with each other what you want to do what you're not comfortable doing and other stuff like that. Right?
Absolutely. Yes. Thank you for bringing this this back. Absolutely. It's even before this show, one of the rules that I have is it regardless if that's just a regular with our photography, or even Cuba photography, I have to meet with the clients with the person I'm doing this before the shoot absolutely must. If they can't make it then I'm not doing the shoot No matter how much money they pay me or especially if they're not, because that setting up that connection setting up that trust at least initially is a he's a huge deal is basically making a break in the session if person it's been my experience, kind of with everybody, even professional models first 15 2030 minutes Depending on how professional is the model it really crucial that's when you building the trust this one you making a connection with the model and that's when they kind of assess you how safe do I feel? And I don't, I don't even want to go into the stories that I've heard people telling me models telling me like, Oh my God, this this guy did this. And that guy did that. And like, how does it come to the person's mind to do things like that? But apparently it happens. And it's, it is absolutely horrendous, that people go and do such things. So that that time when you have in the beginning of the show, and that's exactly why I insist on having used to be called looksie I don't know if it's still a thing. When you meet through the model before the show, just to kind of gauge each other see each other. Make sure you're not a creep make sure you know how to cycle and make sure that you know your normal homie human being in you can have that connection.
You know what flight You're very respectful and I love your technique. I love the way yet you approach it that you see them as a human first and you try to understand their needs and what they want. And unfortunately, there's some people who don't do that. But like you said, it's horrendous that some people think like that Not like you like the other people, the bad the ones the bad ones are the one of the good ones.
Thank you. I'm trying to be the good guy.
No, speaking about being a good guy, you must have some pretty good equipment, what do you use necessarily for taking your photos or set up your set?
Alright, so since I remember this is this is the hobby.
I get it, honestly, is I'll answer the question in a second. there's a there's a way there's a way that people photographers approach their equipment and setup and you know, the best camera is the one that you have in your hands when you when you see the shot. And if it's a cellphone camera, then go ahead take it, but obviously DSLR or digital SLR cameras are still better not always because they have certain there's a there's a stigma you know the more pixels is megapixels and megapixels you have the better, that's completely irrelevant to be honest they are the reason why you pick DSLR over a digital camera is because of the level of control. It allows you to have the quality of the glass, the quality of the lens that they allow you to have, and flexibility or ability to shoot in multitude of scenarios. I mean, I try not to take my camera anywhere I go, but every time I do a shoot, I always have my camera the the Nikon D 750 that I'm shooting with, because it allows me to have that creative control and I under line the word creative for for the photoshoot, not necessarily at the moment of taking the picture, but the way I take pictures is different whether I'm shooting on a cell phone or I'm shooting with my camera or the cell phone, I have to get the picture right? straight off the camera because I'm probably going to post this somewhere on the Facebook or something like that. When I'm doing creative shows I'm shooting for the way I'm going to be editing. So when you see when I usually do share images, so basically, I think series of images like 1015 series of 1016 pictures then come come to the model because she's probably unable to move or I don't want her to move because she's in the spotlight. And I would show her the series that I just still gotta get her. See what we're doing, how we're progressing. we're capturing all the all the angles, all the loops that we planned. And I always say hey, don't mind what you're seeing. Just make sure you look right, you look correct. You're posing your facial expressions and all that because everything else will be edited, the lighting the shadows, everything else. And that's that's that's that's the way I should I should because this one Because I know I'm going to edit or I don't know what the end result will look like and I want to have that creative flexibility to edit it in different ways. That's that's kind of that's kind of like how I approach it. And that's why I tend to shoot a little bit in a little bit more generic light, but obviously y'all have to and I tried different things. As far as the equipment itself, it's pretty simple. I love I bought my first DSLR camera with my first SLR it was wasn't even digital was film I bought Nikon and I had lens from it. So I stick stuck with Nikon forever because I have you don't really care about the body because you care about the lens to lens this thing with you your bodies change lenses lenses are way more expensive but in the long run.
So it's at this moment this Nikon 750 probably should be upgrading couple of years. I have a couple of alien bees, I swear by it. them they've been with me for 15 years if not more, it's, it's a mana monoblock flash. Absolutely amazing. They're portable enough that they fit in my car with all the stands and all the all the light modifiers the umbrellas, the soap boxes and everything. And they're extremely cheap compared to everything else they don't really give the precise color temperature that you need for you know, high level professional work. But given given the creative flexibility and creative freedom that I have with my own projects, that's a lot easier and they as I said, I swear by them they've been with me for probably more than 15 years. That's that's basically it. I did. Oh yeah. And whenever I'm on the road, whenever I travel, I do travel a lot and I'm always trying to set up shoots when I'm not home when I'm not in a studio and I drag couple of affordable flashes. I use Nikon sb 800 was lucky enough to bailando they were I was lucky to buy it when they were in sale back when they were introduced, so I got I got some tremendous discount like 10% or something. And a couple of a couple of cheap young goal. I don't, I don't even know how to pronounce that brand. But they've been pretty reliable. Yes, they're all the drops and falls and you know, people stepping on them. They still fire so I guess that's a good thing. And they they weren't as expensive as Nikon Nikon was back then like, so, those those two young girls, they were like 100 bucks each, though they were pretty good. And, you know, I don't I don't care about them a fake fail because they're easily replaceable. So that's pretty much all my equipment.
So at this point, it pretty much sounds like you have what you need, and you're set. You already know what kind of cameras you need. And if it ever breaks, you'll find exactly what you need. You're not you're not pretty much looking for anything new right now. Like you said you had a camera for 15 years it's working well if it's not broken, why fix it? Right.
Yes. Correct. It's not not not the camera, the flash, the flash units, the camera, okay? It's a little newer cameras a little newer than 15 years. Thank god
if you're using a 15 year old camera is still producing a lot, a lot of quality pictures Hey, if it works it works right?
Yeah field film cameras do that i mean that you can't go wrong with film cameras.
No, you were talking about the creative aspect a little bit. And this is a question that popped up in my head when you're doing the shoot, how much of it is pre planned and how much of it is improvised during the shoot? So let's say you're your model is in a position and you have a new idea. Do you do that new idea or are you like you know what, we had this plan we have this certain amount of time we have to do this this this?
Oh, yeah. Well, obviously I'm absolutely doing it out of out of the shoots that I've done the last two years I would say about 30% of plan went into action. And about everything else was improvisation about the rest center. 70% was a presentation. And so that's the best part because clients the when it's when it's a witness my own Project then it's my own project I can improvise I can come up with new ideas and is always hundred percent. It never never fails is always creative input from the model. Whenever they walk in I that's the first thing I say Listen, this is just as much my creativity as it is yours if you think of something, tell me if you want to try something else tell me if you think you can do it, but you really like it tell me and we'll make it happen. And you don't you wouldn't believe what people did. I had had an actress actual I think she's has IMDB page, I had an actress and she was suffering at the moment she was suffering from asthma or some kind of a problem with breathing. And I said, I was completely I really believe this. She didn't tell anybody and she because she thought she would just be you know, standing there posing and I said can you jump and she's like, No, I can't have this breathing problems. Okay. And there were two or three models on the shoot. And she saw them doing things that we asked them to do, like jumping for in a specific post. So it looks like she's floating in the air. And she's she approached me and we had a little break. She's like, you know what, I want to try it I know I can't breathe but I think I can do it and and this this absolutely amazing human being. She's like 5456 ish, on probably eight or 10 inch heels. Wow, she's jumping into the air floating. She can't breathe. She's like basically just holding she was she was holding her breath for like whatever 10 1520 seconds said that that she needed to execute the jump in those heels. And it looked absolutely fantastic when she's in the up in the air. And you know, we taking pictures like can you breathe, can you I feel fantastic. I couldn't. I didn't think this could be done and now that I'm doing it. It's kind of like I'm getting a second breath. I'm completely new person. You know, I'm reborn. Whatever that you know, sparkles fly. And it was one of one of the jokes that used back then he said, I need you to jump and hang in the air. And then model would be like, what do you mean hanging in the air? like yeah, just hanging in the air hold on to the air for a couple of seconds so I can take a shot. And they were so focused on this meteoric afraid that that if they felt like they're holding on to the air, they felt like they just you know, it's one of those tricks, you just have to be very confident in what you're saying. Especially if it's some kind of bullshit. And they would they would totally be totally focused on that. And I got such great images that are absolutely fantastic. I, I couldn't imagine taking them if I would just approach the model, regular model with the regular Hey, I need you to jump and while you're jumping, be taking pictures, it doesn't work, but you have to say something really weird to them and make them think in a different direction. Don't make them think about what they're doing things that make them think about something else. And they would they would be focused on what is this guy saying Am I doing this right? Instead of thinking about their post and boom we get it like on the first or second second run when the jump
it's kind of like saying the floor is lava avoided.
Yes, yes. Yes, that's same mentality same thing. It has to be like something outrageous something that completely doesn't make sense. And and come home they they do. That's awesome and
I love that. I love that creative aspect where it's not just a physical thing. It's more of a mental game to try to get them out of there. I wouldn't say necessarily their comfort zone but just trying a different thing. Looking at it through a different perspective. Instead of just jumping out in the air you're saying just hang just hang there. It's physically impossible to just stay in one spot do it.
I love it. I think that that you said the shortcut for getting them out of comfort zone. I think it's I'm probably going to name that trick is creating a new comfort zone where they didn't think anyone would would exist
with consent of course.
God is keyword. But yes, so speaking about the shoot so hanging in the air they can hang for a long time. How long does a photoshoot usually last for you?
It depends how much time a person has how much time I have. I've had really short bursts like 45 minutes to an hour to the longest one was probably like 12 hours. Wow, that includes Yeah, that includes prep time. And that includes or includes shooting a lot of images. For example, one of the one of the shoots with that was lasting this long was the catalog project. So I got paid but it was extremely boring, which is why I don't do fashion. There's just Same for models wearing about two or 300 pieces of bikinis or something or some kind of a cheap lingerie, and it's just like this straight side, back. And other side van next stop straight side next side. It just you know Grind it absolutely no creative juices flowing and it's just you know, one after another after another after another and they need time to change they need time to freshen up because whatever the makeup is floating or, or bored or something, so it was a while the other one was one of those creative shoots where makeup artist takes eight to 10 hours to apply all the makeup all the special effects to the person's body. So the shoot is the actual like Shoot Shoot shooting part can be again about 45 minutes to an hour but the prep the setup, everything that takes a while,
but I bet you it's all worth it in the end
it yeah, definitely hundred percent, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it.
Exactly, exactly. So speaking about a hobby, you're doing it. I know I'm really bad with these segues. But what is your big objective with your kink and broodwar photography?
So I don't know if you remember but there was this magazine playboy that took this whole erotica thing to literally artistic level not everybody realizes what they did but they did they made the radical look like art and some of some of the art look like erotic so video some topic vs and team is kind of rising up a little. And I'm I kind of see this as creating this as an art as a stream of art or kind of like a branch of art. So this is it. It kind of stems from things that Japanese artists did they, you know, last century 19th 20th century, I want to kind of go that direction, where the kingpin blew off photography combined get to the point where it's no longer a forbidden fruit and the forbidden object. It's it has that flavor of a forbidden fruit but it's art it, it goes. It goes into gallery, it goes into Museum, it doesn't go in your drawer and you don't pull it out because you miss your loved ones or two Send it to the loved ones so they can, you know relive those sensual moments that they had with you.
But it goes and is in a gallery and people admire it for for the art for the artistic aspect of it. No, no, you're absolutely right. And I love the idea that we live in a day and age where we get so much information and a lot of misconceptions and the things that are considered taboo, are not necessarily taboo, and they're not as aggressive or violent or sexual as we thought it was. Because let's say a pole dancing everybody thought it was only strippers doing it in the past, but a lot of people nowadays do it for exercise.
Oh, yeah, definitely. And I, I had I've done a shoot for a pole. pole dancers school and they they confirm that not not at the hat. Is it pretty upscale school? None of their clients are strippers. They're all people who just want to know how to do it. They do it as an exercise and it's a lot of fun because it's, you know, used to be, oh my god. Now it's, you know, a mainstream.
Yeah, actually one of my friends I interviewed on my podcast Probably in Episode 20, something she does pole dancing as an exercise, but she's also a doctor. So it just goes to show anybody can do pole dancing. I can't because of hairy legs and going down the pole will burn my like, I've tried it. It's not fun for me. But anybody else give it a try? Now for you, this is a tough question. But what has kink and broodwar photography taught you in life?
That's not as not a tough question for me. Because I do get to think about this a lot in first and foremost, it taught me to accept others as the way they are. So my mind is way more open now than it used to be 2030 years ago. I have a lot more what's the right word? I have a lot. I've become more accepting of others. And I have seen things and I've experienced things that I otherwise wouldn't have seen and that helped me understand other people better Let's put it this way.
And well you know what I completely agree with you this is same thing with my podcast like, I would have not I would have loved but I just wouldn't have the opportunity to have a conversation to all these people I've had up to date. And I've learned so much like, I'm learning so much from you right now too. So which is a great experience. So I guess we're in the same boat.
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And that's kind of that's kind of been my personal journey learn from people as much as they can. I did. My job provides the services for people to learn better English, the employees who was English not second is that a native language we provide service for them with language body so they can get their English better improved. And I wanted the people who are supposedly have native English experience so we can teach others and I had a student recently who taught me so many things about so many different ways of life. He's like half of my age, and I was mostly listening because I need I needed to let him express himself and kind of point out the message. takes in his speech but I completely forgot about that because the stuff he was telling me the the information that he was dumping on me with an hour of a lesson that we had, it was complete completely blown when I never heard anything like that. never experienced anything like that. So that was absolutely amazing. You know, it's kind of like, my, my new rule. I had hundreds of rules in my life. This is the new one I came up with, it's you, you live, us, you live, you make mistakes, but you never lose you. You either win or you learn. And then I learned I don't have to lose. I just keep learning keep learning. And when you think you've learned as much as you can just you know, look to the side and there's just as much learning to do as you do that. You know what I love that a lot. It's you don't lose you learn. That's cool. I didn't come up with it. I read it somewhere on the internet.
Well, I learned it from you from all I know you taught me so it came from you. You're the one who made it up in my book in my eyes. God now has kink. Sorry kink and boudoir photography ever stressed you out? And if so, what do you do to relax? So let's say it's just a shoe that was not working whether because the equipment was not working right or the lighting or you had a disagreement with the client or argument or something broke or anything at all. Did anything ever stress you out?
Oh, all of the above? Yes.
all at the same time.
That's the hardest part. Yes. But as I said, you you, she don't lose you, you either win or you learn that's that's, I use it as a learning experience. So and it did happen to me. You know, flash not firing or equipments broken, something's not working. And sometimes you just, you just live out and there's nothing you can do but there's still something you can do. I've had absolutely thank things that absolutely blow my mind. How could they do that? I got I went to the shoot and I forgot all my memory cards because I was dumping, I was dumping a huge photoshoot from, from everything I had, and I could I forgot them by the computer. So when I drove all the way from point A to point B with issue should be, I don't have anything to shoot on. So I had to, I had to run to the nearest store and buy an overpriced memory card just so you can shoot. But you know, it's always there's always a way out. It's, it's, you know, there's always something you can do and I had, like, life's not working. So I had to improvise literally rig up a couple of lamps from the room just to make make it work. And the images we got out of that was were amazing. And at some point I when I was traveling, I would find the model find the team to work with and I said Listen, I know we're going to get good pictures, don't worry about it. But I from my personal purpose I'm going to put myself through certain things like I would shoot with limited amount of equipment or pretend like you know something's not working because one of the one of the reasons why I'm doing This shoot is to kind of get more experience and I need experience shooting with half of the equipment that I have or equipment working and I need to improvise. And I need to, you know, shoot from uncomfortable angles, uncomfortable positions, or you know, pretend I was I was doing a shoot in Manhattan, New York City during the nighttime like 11 o'clock, there was one single light available and they were shooting Tango, couple dancing tango. And it was really amazing because I had no idea how to do that. I had absolutely zero experience doing that. And we came up with the plan on the spot when we saw the lighting situation. I positioned them so the light would hit them with from a specific angle. And the images were absolutely stunning. Absolutely amazing. And I later learned that the guy in a dancing pair the guy was a fighter from yourself. And when I showed him the pictures he looked I have no idea how he done it. I've been shooting for 12 years. And I have no idea how you did these pictures. Like, you know what asked me to do this again, I'll tell you, but right now I have no clue.
That's me cooking.
I can repeat that. But I can tell you how I did it because it was like half 50% intuition 50% art and then the rest is just, you know, dumb luck, I guess. But yeah, it happens. And a lot of a lot of stress relief comes from seeing the results and being able to produce results no matter what. And I guess that kicks me out of a hobbyist and puts me a bit more into a professional category because I think professional is not and you know, there's there's a there's this thing people say are professional is someone who gets paid for his work. No, it's the one who produces the results and get paid. But if you're not producing results, you're shady professional. You're not a professional level. But if you're you know you have a task at hand and you produce results, that's that's when you are a professional matter what they pay for it. And I think that kicks me off from from being a hobbyist to being more of a professional because I always try to get results no matter what. And seeing the result is probably one of the biggest stress relievers. And the other side is as I said in the beginning, my photography is something completely different from anything else I do. I might my job is pretty creative, but it's not as creative as photography it's mostly just talking to people and pretending and pretending you're not the smartest person in the room. And then thinking yeah, yeah, yeah then realizing you are not a smartest person in the room and then you know, being this you know, village fool a little bit. When you listen to all the smart people and then you say something, and they Oh, yeah, that makes sense. So it's completely different. So switch back and forth between my regular job and this creative therapy. Creative Photography is definitely help and getting the results getting these beautiful images I certainly hope they're as beautiful as an interesting as interesting to be as and as as as they are to me they are to the audience to people who I do them for and people who just happened to see them and that kind of you know, that's a little bit of ego stroking I guess. But yeah, yeah, let's be reasonable it is. But it's it is a stress relief when you when you were struggling, but you couldn't make it happen. You tried this, you tried that? you produce the result and people say, you know what this is Lissa looks really cool. Okay, well, problem solved. I just I'm not stressed anymore.
That's awesome. I love how, like the whole process can be extremely stressful, but it's always the end that could be like, it could really the whole thing could be 12 hours day of just hard work and just stress and then that one minute when you see everything come together. Boom. It was all worth it.
Yep, absolutely. Yeah. If you forgot to add is from hours of shooting then there's like two hours of editing and then you see that
yes then that one second of result.
Well, my eyes My eyes You are a professional hobbyist.
Yeah, there's Yeah, there's there's this niche commercially prosumer I have no idea what that means, but it sounds cool.
That's most words. I don't know what most words mean when they sound like very elegant like this. You will go Yeah, that sounds good. That sounds good to me. Yeah, of course. Yeah. So for you What was your biggest challenge when you first started kink photography and boudoir photography,
seeing naked people. Honestly, that was that was really that was really the biggest challenge not not the technical part, not the shooting the shooting. The focusing on technical part is actually what helped me go through it and I vividly remember the first time this happened to me, and I usually have a team around me so I can, you know, kind of distract myself, talking to them and asking for advice or their them telling you but you know, do this do that. But there was one time it was probably my second or third year doing this more in a more serious level. I was I was shooting I thought their models turns out there were strippers. So they had no idea getting naked in front of a camera. I had a problem with them being naked in front of a camera because I've never done this before. And I was like, not sure what we're doing. Is that is that the model she's gonna get naked. And that's, that's her mom right next to it directing her. That's really weird. But, you know, that was that was pretty awkward to me first time what I just started. But then when I saw the results, and I saw that pictures came out good and you know, camera wasn't shaking too much in my hands. When I did that. I figured, hey, you know, this looks cool. I can do this. And it's my kind of an ongoing thing when people ask me. So how did you why why'd you decided to do photography? I said to see naked women, of course, like Why else? Why would anybody else do that? If you for any other reason, and it became kind of tacky for me to answer it like that, because there are people who do this and I, I don't sound funny anymore saying that I sound creepy. So I snob but yeah, it was it was it was very uncomfortable and to me it was very intimate. Like, you know, I came from a culture that you know officially didn't have any sexual culture. And there's like no, no, no, there's no sex in Soviet Russia. And we Yeah, I mean there was it was you know, you had to do us certain things there were certain things there was some some kind of a culture but there was no sexual culture was nobody taught you how to behave nobody told you that certain things are disrespectful nobody told you there are certain things are outright harmful. You just kind of had to wing it because you know, hey, we've survived for what the 10,000 years humans for created so we'll figure it out somehow it really only works one way. But there was no culture there was no teaching of this respect that That shouldn't happen. So it was really hard for me to start but then eventually, I met really good people on the way I they taught me a lot they talk to me, not in a condescending matter, you know, not in a way he, Danny, you have no idea what you're doing. But again, they show me what respect really feels like. And they taught me a lot of a lot of interesting things, a lot of useful things that I keep using and I wasn't afraid to ask questions. That's probably the biggest advice anybody ever can give to anybody. Don't be. Don't be an idiot who does not ask questions be. It's better to sound like an idiot asking questions that DNA did not ask questions. So I asked tons of questions. I said, Listen, if I sound like an idiot, please tell me I'll stop but I need to know what do you think what do you feel would this work for you or not? And that kind of build up my my toolbox, my to my toolset, how to work with models because now I know what a lot of people think. respectful and what people think that okay, and it's kind of like how you establish the boundaries. So that's, that's the way I roll and
yes, on just on that note, I don't think I'm an idiot. I know I'm an idiot asking questions. So it's cool that this whole experience actually helped you grow as a person and teach you things that you didn't expect. And when you just saw the person make it the first time, it's like jumping in cold water. It's not you just dip your toe and you have to jump all the way in to Okay, yeah, I'm in it, to experience it. Okay, let's do this kind of thing.
Right? And, and yes, and add to that, that just like about 10 people watching you and kind of like, is he creep or something? just let's just see how he's gonna react. So imagine imagine you doing this but on stage.
Yeah. And the mom was there and it seemed like there it is. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah, apparently mom was was a stripper too. So she kind of were. She was I think it was actually pretty good because she taught her what to do. what not to do. And, you know, kind of people to stay away from. So in the end, yes, it worked out.
Let's go. I like how the mom was actually giving advice on not only what the daughter should do, but also the type of people she should interact with ones that seem safe ones that don't seem safe kind of thing. That's cool. Yeah, that's
the only that's the that's the thing, that you can only get that experience. And you know, when you're 1920, you don't have that experience no matter what. So getting it from someone who knows is is priceless.
That is absolutely true. And this applies for everything. Absolutely. Everything in life. Now, for you, you talked about your challenge when you first started, what is your current biggest challenge?
Current biggest challenges? Probably time. Yeah, I tried travel. I try. As I mentioned, I travel a lot. And a lot of times you want to just do nothing. It's I don't know if I'm mangling the quote. But I think it's from office space from the movie. It's like I did nothing. It was everything I ever wanted to do. So that sometimes I need that instead of you know shooting for four or five hours straight in the studio because it usually models will can work out glamorous, beautiful, amazing and I work in glamorous, you know clean and amazing and I will call it sweaty dirty because I was on the floor I was a selling the equipment I was you know, fixing things doing this and
that you were cleaning the floor with your body straight.
Yeah, because you need you know, you need different angles you need to this that this and that and it just like, oh god, I can can't wait to get in the shower. And she's like, Hey, I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go to the party just like that. You know, you already have I already have my makeup so I don't have to do anything. Make sure you go right ahead.
And you're like, I'm going to a party for one in my shower.
Oh, yes, definitely. It's gonna be a hot party for sure.
The sweat will just dry off it will just get replaced by the water.
Yeah, that's just, you
know, for the question that I'm sure a lot of people have been waiting for. What are some misconceptions? Like you kind of answered this before? But what are some misconceptions about people who do kink and broodwar photography?
Oh one and this is this is really a hardcore one because I have been hit with it and it's just really funny. I belong to a few Facebook groups and one of them somebody started a discussion about somebody else. And they tagged me for asking me for my opinion, and people immediately one while thinking I do this. So and yeah, my, my messenger was blowing up and I was, I don't remember I don't even remember what it was doing at the moment. But it was those those precious two hours and what I was completely disconnected from all the social media might have been on a date or something. So I just put my phone down. I'm not looking at it as just completely blew up. Somebody said that there's this a photog there's a photographer, very well known known in the circles, who's always sleeping with his models, and somebody tagged me to ask for my opinion, does this really happen? Or you know, is that like, thing and everybody felt like, Oh, wait, he's living with his models? Like, what's going on? Why is he here? So again, it was it really blew in a completely wrong direction. So that's one of the misconceptions, like, whenever I can't believe you, I can't believe how many times even people who know me would say, hey, you're taking pictures of naked women, you get to sleep with all of them. How cool is that? Like, dude, no, stop. That never happens.
You know, what's crazy is that mob mentality, where when just as everybody gathers up, they start thinking, Oh, my God, he does that. And then without even thinking of, Okay, well, rationally, maybe he doesn't do that. He just jumped to conclusion and it happens a lot.
It happens all the time. And that's it. There's been there's been So out of curiosity, I've read a few studies on echo chambers, social media echo chambers. And yes, people just lose, completely lose any ability to create for critical thinking. And and the saddest part was that there were people who I knew, personally, and I've talked to them, and I've met with them, and I've literally eaten the same table with them. And they're like, lot, and
I don't understand how it wasn't
the question, but why you saying he doesn't it was a question. I can't believe he does it. And I'm like, Guys, come on. Thank you. So yeah, that I mean, there's this rule, you always asked for permission to even touch the model. And even before they should you explain what you will be doing. You have to agree on what you will be doing. Especially if you're, if you look at the pictures that I have in my Instagram, there's a lot of bondage. So obviously, since I'm doing the bondage and I'm taking the pictures, I have to touch the model to you know, put the bondage on and make sure she's got for Will, you know make sure that she's in the pose, and sometimes correct the pose after she was she was put into bondage. Because the way it may be more convenient to do it one way but then you reposition the model for, for the purpose of taking the pictures. So then you know you need to adjust things here and there. So you consistently constantly communicating saying, Hey, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this are you comfortable with me doing this? Do you mind if I do this as it's consistently in a complete, kind of like non stop verbal communication, I'm doing this I'm going to do this. And I have huge mirrors in my studio. So they've, if I'm behind them, if I'm doing something down there button, they can see me in the mirror. So you know, I'm not doing anything finicky there. And they want to make sure that they're looking in the mirror and they seeing what I'm doing. So you know, they're feel safe. They feel like you know they're in a good place because in many cases, bondage does things not only to your body, but also Your mind they put it puts you, I don't really want to go deep into that topic but it puts you in a certain mindset and certain headspace and a person may not realize that something's happening, something inappropriate happening because they're in that mind space in that headspace and you know that communication kind of keeps them a flow it keeps them in a safe zone where they still control the situation and they know what's what's happening. So that's one of the one of the biggest misconception is that photographer takes advantage of their of their models that I know of one person only who absolutely does that. And it's a very public name and it's sold on the internet. Other than that, obviously, it's between you know, a photographer and a model but it does not happen as often as you think it almost never happens. It is often as you think it all usually it happens when the photographer and the model have a relationship outside of their family. graphy like, if I had a girlfriend I actually at some point, I had a girlfriend, that it took a bunch of pictures and she was my first model that I practiced on but again, it was agreed upon and she knew I was doing it. And she was okay with me doing certain things. But other than that, I don't think so.
And of course, it's always the few who ruin it for the many. So when it comes to like that one photographer who did do it or does do it out of let's say, a million photographers who do kink and boudoir photography is the one and then no will blow up on the news on social media. And it just ruins the reputation for everybody else.
Oh, obviously. Yes, absolutely. It's they're few and far between, but it's enough to spoil the whole batch or the whole experience.
Yeah, exactly. It's one bad apple. You don't have to ruin the whole orchard. Yep. Is boudoir photography, something you want to share with the world or keeping more for yourself?
Okay, it's a stupid questions and a slight
No, no, it's a good question. It's just slightly in the wrong in the wrong direction. So whatever I do, I absolutely want to share it with the world for, for the purpose of, you know, world becoming, being more safe, safe place for people to exercise their preferences in their kinks. That's one reason. The other reason is I believe that I am achieving a form of art and I want to share these this art with people. And again, I don't want to I want to remove that stigma of this is a forbidden for fraud or this is that the BU topic? No, it's not it's relationship between two people that have consented to do these things to each other. So it's a normal thing, let them explore let them do that. Stop judging. That's one thing. Another thing is if my client decides that this is their private thing, I don't want anybody ever to invade their privacy and see the pictures that they only want it to have for themselves. That's that's, that's the watershed moment. That's the that's the distinction. Whatever I do produce as a piece of art where I have model releases signed, and all the paperwork I want to share as much as possible. And whenever there are private moments, but when the people that own those pictures or that person if they just doing it for themselves, that does happen a lot actually. Then I don't want anybody to see them because it's theirs and theirs alone.
And that's very respectful and very honorable because in this day and age privacy is so so thin the idea that you create something for somebody and they get to keep it and don't care what the world is completely fine and we don't need to share everything with everybody right? I
wouldn't be too pretty
Yeah, well, from my situation for my podcast, it be kind of weird if I just didn't share these episodes. That's the only exception for me for my podcast, but like you I have pictures I've taken not like me doing can we do it? But just pictures or videos in general filming of families stuff like that I haven't posted online, I just share it kept it because I'm like, like you said before, I want to look back at it and say, Oh, that's how bold I was when I was 27 Oh, I'm still bought balda 37 Wow, I just keep getting more bald, you know, the idea to sharing the family experience. And I like how you approach this. Yeah, I mean,
yeah, that's, that's that's kind of a distinction. You know, you create art, but some art is just for the person who is art. There's nothing you can do about it.
And once again, is due to communication. You just communicate what you want to share and what you don't want to share. And then you go from there.
Absolutely. Yeah, it's you always, you always ask permission. My role is I always ask permission twice. Just to make sure a person understand what I'm asking. Over communicate. Exactly.
And for you Do you have any influences or inspirations whether it's somebody else who was in the kinko broodwar, photography field, or let's say family members or other Are anything that you look up to and say, Wow, thank you or even people that support you.
Now, not really people, I'm being inspired more by styles or by specific visuals. I can look through hundreds of images by different photographers, but as long as they are in the same kind of a same topic, or in terms of Instagram, for example, oh, it's the same hashtag. But as long as they're in the same theme, I don't really care who took it as long as it works for me. As long as inspires me want me to wants me as long as it makes me want to do things differently better or the version completely different direction. As I said, I can I can go for hours looking at specific ideas specific topic or a specific thing. It's kind of like a visual research. Let me look at all the ideas that are out there and see what what strikes my fancy what what I like what I don't like Which direction do I want to go? And for example, and I don't know how relevant that would be, I started looking into more of what to do more pictures with candles. I had a couple of pictures with candles, and I was getting ready to do the research. So at some point I said down that looks for probably thousands of pictures with candles, around Budo, around artistic news around kink. And I picked probably 20 or 30 that are really striking, really creative images. And that's kind of my body of inspiration. I'm going to be looking over my shoulder at those pictures, when I'm going to be setting up my next shoot with this topic. So that's, that's the way it works for me.
Well, in that case, if you don't have any inspirations, you at least have a new supporter me I'm going to keep on supporting you and your professional hobby. Right. We establish that right? Yes, your professional hobbyist. That's the word Yes. But yeah, like I love, I love how the way you you approach it, you're such a passionate person. And you're very respectful, very honorable, and you came on just giving so much information showing how your approach to treating everybody as humans, rather than just objects, because humans are an objects, they're people, they have minds. They can, you know, walk, talk, do everything. And you to really bring a lot of light into this field of, I guess, hobby. Yeah. And so you mentioned this before, but I was going to ask again, do you have any word of advice for anybody who might be interested in this hobby?
Yeah, keep keep trying. Keep trying.
You can't lose. You can only learn Yes, exactly.
You can only learn is and then the more you The more you try, the more you learn. And I've failed and fallen too many way too many times to care. Specifically when I was learning new things, and I keep doing this and kind of like, the funny part is my job requires me to fail more than to the ratio failures to successes should be above 10 to one in order for you to be really truly successful, and it's kind of like this thing. Everybody wants to be successful, but nobody wants to go through the pain of becoming successful and the pain of becoming successful is, you know, failing, failing, failing. If at first you don't succeed, and you try and try and try and try and try and try again. So yeah, keep learning. I honestly thought you were gonna say if you first don't succeed, you fail, you fail, you fail, you fail again.
years ago, that's how
that's why you don't succeed, you do fail. You're a complete loser.
But you learn as you fail, of course. And now we talked about this at the beginning. I'll ask it, ask it again. At the end. Do you have any websites or social media links where people can go find you and follow you and support your hobby? Your professional hobby?
Absolutely. Instagram commander Burks, Commander, p Ir x, and the website is zealously Media z ey l US
media com perfect. I'll put that in the description below so people, people can go follow it, click it and maybe you guys can connect with each other and work on a new project. I don't know if people who are listening to this are New York, give a lot of contact. And of course for the last question, I'm definitely not prepared for it, but I'm excited to answer it anyways. Do you have any questions for me about kink and boudoir photography?
Yeah, actually, I want to improvise. Okay, after after after and I appreciate your saying that you're now my supporter. I really appreciate our first question is how much have it was able to change your mind about artistic nude photography, boudoir photography, kink as the whole and King photography in general through this conversation? Was there any changes or you're kind of like Yes, good. Let's let's get on with it.
To be honest with you, not no offense to you, it doesn't have it hasn't really changed for the simple fact that I've always been open to it. It's an art. And I always see like it's a human body. If we're all humans, it's not like a monster is going to come out and attack is nothing new. You're not going to see it the human body and I've always understood as an art and I do appreciate like, just talking to you just made me enjoy more. I've always been open to it. Like I, I haven't given a shot. But I mean, like, I'm open to the idea of people doing it. I have this my podcast is taking up too much of my time to actually
have any other hobby.
My hobby right now is other people's hobby. So right now,
your hobby is my hobby. So this moment right here. This is what we're sharing. But yeah, I've always been open to I have a few friends who actually do broodwar and like just like the dance and stuff like that. I have a friend who does pole dancing and there's nothing you're not hurting anybody and why should people be angry about it? That's that's what confuses me, people We should not be angry about something that doesn't hurt them or hurt other people or have any type of impact on their lives. That's, I know I'm touching some touchy area for people who are listening and saying, Alex, why are you saying this? I used to love your podcast now I'm going to unsubscribe that Allah. But you know what, I don't get paid to do this. I guess I'm a hobbyist, a professional hobbyist. I try to get those results by creating these quality podcasts by getting awesome people like Vlad on. But nobody blood. I do really appreciate you coming on. And I didn't want to rush this podcast episode at all. I wanted you to just talk your heart and I wanted you to share. I didn't want to be like, Yeah, get on go, go go. Yeah. I do. Appreciate that. Yeah, of course. And that's why every episodes different lengths. Yours is over an hour, and I'm going to keep it over an hour because you have so much to share. Well, hopefully, hopefully I answered your question.
Absolutely. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you very much. So there
you have it, another body with a hobby. Thank you so much for coming. going on and just sharing your wisdom you currently have so much wisdom on this. You might as well open up a school and teach people how to do it. Do you already have a school? Are you planning to open your school?
No, no, I'm, I'm as a matter of fact is my trip my primary job, I'm learning how to teach people. That's, that's my new endeavor in the professional life. Well, there you go. So,
if you ever do decide to open an open up a school, you're in the right steps to teach people
don't think about
consider that offer.
But yes, so if you want to learn more about Vlad, you can go check him out in the description below. I'll put all the links to his websites. I'm definitely a new supportive for Vlad, if you guys want to be a supporter. Go show your love to Vlad. And yeah, once again, thank you so much for that.
Absolutely. It's been a pleasure. Thank you for having me.
If you want to be on my podcast or have any questions at all, you can send me an email at Tom for your firstname.lastname@example.org and of course, if you think this episode's gonna be helpful for anybody, maybe somebody is going through a hard time I want to pick up me either kinko broodwar photography or just kink and broodwar in general, give it a shot and find the right people communications key consensus key. But there's a lot of great people, humble people, nice people like Vlad out there that will be more than happy to communicate with you and help you out and guide you because this is could be a great way to try something new and step out of the area and learn more. And
don't know what else to say except. So Until the next episode, make some time for your hobby. Take care.