Ep.89 The Off-Road Leader (Scot - BMX Racing)
5:27AM Apr 4, 2020
Good day everyone who listening to talk to your hobby, and this is episode 89, the off road leader. I'm your host, Alex and today I have the honor to have Scott as my guest on the show. How are you doing today? I'm doing great, Alex, how about you, man? I'm doing good. Scott and I were just talking a little bit before and he's got over a decade of podcasting experience, which I haven't talked to anybody who's had over maybe three years, which is or maybe I have, but 10 years is no, which is pretty impressive. And I'm really excited to talk to you because you seem like a person that has so many hobbies and wisdom to share.
Well, I'm living Looking forward to adding as much value as I possibly can to your listeners and to anybody listening.
Your presence is already valued enough and whatever you
add on is just a bonus. You're too kind.
So yes, before we jump into Scott and his hobby Do you have any social media links that you'd like to share with the listeners of the audience so they can learn more about you or projects are working on or anything else? Well, I'll just
say exactly what I say at the beginning of every one of my podcasts, which is my name is Scott McKay at Scott McKay on Twitter real Scott McKay on Instagram Scott McKay on YouTube you can find us on the web at www dot mountaintop podcast calm and you can join our Facebook group at the mountain top summit. Damn, sounds so good. Got that one down. Don't I
know you really do and it sounds perfectly like it's recorded stuck in your head. You know it by heart? Well, in that case, I'll put that into the description below so people can go check it out. And you know what you can pause this podcast go listen to all his stuff. First. You got 10 years over 10 years of podcasts to catch up on and listen to that and then come back to this And once you're ready, we're gonna start talking about Scott's amazing hobby, which I have not encountered anybody, none of my friends, no family and no strangers. So I'm excited. But before we do the who is Scott?
Well, I was born at a very young age. From there, I don't really know where to go with this. I will say this though. In all seriousness, if y'all go to what I just suggested, you're going to get a bunch of men stuff, like, you know, men trying to be more masculine and get better women into their lives because that's what I do as my quote unquote, day job is my wife and I are dating and relationship coaches. But I realized fully that everybody's here listening to this podcast because of BMX scene, and so hey, this isn't called time for your job. This is called time for your hobby. So Heck, yeah, man. Let's talk about BMX thing and I have a link I can send them to that is probably a lot more fun for the bulk of people who are going to be listening than anything I just repeated. But yeah, you know, if you're a guy and you're looking to get a great girlfriend, you could talk to me about that too. But that is definitely the job. a hobby,
you know, time for your job is my next podcast idea. So you just ruined it by sharing with everybody, but it's okay. We'll we'll work on it together. And
it doesn't sound like as much fun.
No, it doesn't. It's a nine to five podcasts. That's it.
So, how did you get introduced to BMX? Or actually First of all, what is BMX for people who are interested, but not quite sure what it is? You
know, it's funny, you should say that because when I married my wife, the joke is she couldn't spell BMX.
And several years later, she became one of the best in the country at it and represented the United States on the world team. So, you know, she learned, she learned along the way, but it's interesting BMX, first of all, is not motorcycles. A lot of people think, Oh, is that like motorbikes? That's the first question I always get. It is bicycles, it is a cycling discipline and competition at the international level is, is sanctioned by UCI, which anybody who's a cycling buff is going to know is the same sanctioning sanctioning body that does the Tour de France, cyclocross and all that good stuff. Here in the United States of America the sanctioning body is called USA BMX, which is a.com, USA, BMX calm, where you can learn all about the, the sport and see pictures and what it is. Well, here's how it started, okay? It started out as kids whose parents thought motorcycles were too dangerous, turning their Schwinn sting rays in 1969, into something that looked like a motorcycle with motorcycle bars. And then there were races organized so these kids could pedal themselves like it was a motocross race around dirt tracks with banked turns, called berms, jumps and then there was what was formerly known as the whoop dee doo section, which is a bunch of you know, kind of staggered bumps in a row. They call it the rhythm section. Now, because people ride so fast, there's actually a skill tied to having lots of rhythms. You can get through that and as quickly as possible, and it is really cool. The sport has evolved so much. It's an Olympic sport, it will be in its fourth Olympics. In Tokyo, the first time it was in the Olympics was in 2008. The Americans did pretty good at it. Matter of fact, the current silver medalist is Sarah's hero, and she's got lots of pictures with her and the two time gold medalist is a gal from Colombia and she's also Sarah's buddy, my daughter's eight year old BMX racer, and she goes to Nationals with us and she's made friends with those with those, those medalists and it's pretty cool, because it's kind of a small world but the best way I know how to describe BMX for people who are utterly uninitiated, you know, would be to say, it's kind of an interesting mix between a cycling sport you know, like mountain biking or cyclocross or even road biking and involves the human effort and human strength of pedaling with the skill and the Daring Do of catching air and Getting what's called a whole shot being the first out of the gate with motocross. And it's not a lesser sport or a greater sport than motocross. It's not a lesser sport or a greater sport than say mountain biking. It's just very different if you think of a sprint mountain bike race, where they have eight people and they dropped the gate and it's a 40 minute all out Ben Hur style war to the finish line about 1200 feet later through all those twists and turns and jumps. You'll have a pretty good picture. Most of the bikes you see around the neighborhood assuming you can get these kids off their off their electronics outside riding their bike to begin with nowadays, right most of the 20 inch wheeled bicycles you see kids riding are modeled after BMX bikes, you know with the cross bars and the pads and so forth. But BMX racing is a discipline that is a fully sanctioned sport. And it's all over the world. It's an Olympic sport, like I said, and it has hundreds of thousands of participants in in the United States. probably had its peak in the early 80s you know with that's incredible and chips episode. It just really fit in well with the 80s but it has evolved nowadays it's lots of carbon fiber, my daughter's had carbon fiber and 7005 aluminum and really trick titanium parts since she was five years old. But um, I wouldn't really long winded about that, because obviously I'm passionate about this. But you mentioned you asked me also the second part I remember was how did I get involved with this and there was a line there was a line in history. It was probably about October 2006. And my dad and I happened to walk into a bicycle shop in suburban Baltimore, which is a long way from California where this stuff started. And for those of you who are a young uns out there me young my younger by younger than 40 before there was an internet stuff used to take a long time to get from the west coast to the east coast. So the kids out in California were surfing and skateboarding and BMX and stuff, you know Yours before we even knew what happened here, and I walked into that store, and I saw what was called a Yamaha moto bike. And it is exactly what it sounds like. It was a bicycle manufactured by Yamaha to resemble their, basically a yz 125 motorcycle. And when that was given to me by Santa Claus in 1976, it is it was and is to this day, the greatest gift I've ever received. I mean, it was my bb gun from Christmas Story moment. You know, to get that bicycle, I found out through finding a magazine called bicycle motocross action that there were organized races and lo and behold, after I work through riding around the neighborhood and getting used to riding the bike, and you know, you're a young kid, you're like 11, you don't even know how to go looking for things, especially in the pre internet era. I realized that they raced them and that there had been a track opened in Baltimore. And when I finally got to go race, I felt like Like the little girl in that old Blind Melon video for no rain, where she's dressed in a suit, and she's just joins all the other little beat people and they're all dancing around. And you know, BMX gets a big rap for being a little kid sport. Well, the pros are amazing. If you go to YouTube, you know, maybe can drop a link on your page and look at the pro mains from the Olympics, you're gonna be like, I don't want my kid anywhere near that. And rest assured the tracks your kids will ride on, they're not going to have to do anything like that. My daughter started on what's called a Strider or a push bike when she was three. And now she's been riding over half her life. And she was number four in the whole country and the Texas State Champion and the five and under expert girl division. And it really is a sport that anybody can do. It's great because unlike some of the other sports where you legitimately race, little kids can like be on the big stage, even on the same event and the same time. national event on the same day as the pros. I mean, where else can a little league or playing t ball play in the same stadium? As you know, the Orioles or the Dodgers are going to play all nighter? You know, it's amazing. And it's an incredible sport that just builds grit and determination in kids. And obviously, you can tell I love it.
First of all, I have to say you are the first person to have on this podcast that your whole family is so passionate about this one hobby, BMX thing, and it sounds like you guys are just so good at it too. And I have like so many questions I asked you like on all the little points you made, but I'll restrain myself from a few of them. But do so if you had the chance?
Or do you actually still own your original Yamaha bicycle or did you like go buy a new one say, this is my like, nostalgic bike, I can use it. I don't want to use it. I just want to store it just to say this is where it all started. You're asking me all these questions that I can't possibly be sure and answering. My Yamaha motorbike was stolen. Oh no. And I would never gotten another one and nowadays You would not believe how much they're worth on eBay. It's in the thousands. And it truly was an iconic bike. But it really wasn't ever really good for racing. Now, the heyday of my racing was in the early to mid 80s, which was also the heyday for coolness of the sport. Back then, if you were a kid in the neighborhood and you had a chrome Molly and aluminum anodized awesome bicycle. It was like, it was a lot like being the kid in college with trans-am. You know, the kid with the coolest bike in the neighborhood was the coolest kid in the neighborhood. That's just how we roll back then literally. I actually years later, about 2002 started building up a collection of all the bikes I'd always wanted. But there weren't enough paper routes to afford when I was 14, and I still have that collection of bicycles and I lovingly call them my retirement plan.
Speaking of which, how many do you have if you don't mind me asking?
Overall or just old ones? You know what Overall, all of them. This is gonna be shameful. No, it's not. No, it's gonna be. It's your collection. It's your passion. Nothing shameful about it. There were 29 two wheeled vehicles on premise until the day before yesterday, I sold a motorcycle. So we're down to 28. I'm in the process of simplifying, they're going to go away. We're going to go on and do other stuff like actual real racing, instead of looking at old things. I'm just gonna take a picture and sell them, you know, because I said better things to do. But it has been really gratifying to have them and you know, there's 20 inch 24 inch class racing. So the kids have two bikes each and they're sponsored now because they're good, so I don't have to come out of pocket for everything. Fall price. Thank goodness. I still have my two that I raised. My wife has two. So legitimately eight of the bikes in this house get used. And for you. Is there one bike that spoke to you more than the others, the one that was like, this was my lucky bike. This is the one I have the closest attachment two. Well, I tell you what, I've had a very close association with With a company called Supercross BMX, out of Apple Valley, California and their owner named Bill Ryan is a good friend of mine. And he's been very good to us over the years, I actually ran a factory team back in the mid aughts. And they were one of our most ardent supporters of that team. And since then I've written nothing but Supercross BMX bikes, and that's good because not only do I have relationship with that company, but I also find that those bikes work better than anybody else's their design is just fantastic. I don't know if you've had anybody who was a surfing enthusiast on this show, but they would tell you that you know, the man who shapes the surfboard has in his hands the ability to make that surfboard just ride waves brilliantly, or he can mess it all up due to lack of competence. And believe it or not every little angle of every little tube on a BMX bikes frame, and affects the handling and the performance of it in my daughter, when she was able to finally fit on the first one which is a micro mini Can you believe that They come in different sizes and when she was first able to finally get on the smallest superbike Supercross motor bicycle I listened to him committing friends all over the place. It's not motorcycles. The first Supercross BMX bicycle she could fit on. She was four or five seconds faster around the track immediately. I mean, so I have I'm a huge fan of Supercross BMX to this day. Back in the day back in the early days before Supercross BMX existed, this can be a funny story. I wanted a bike called an SC racing PK Ripper so bad, and I could never afford one. And finally, when I could finally afford one, I got sponsored by a different bicycle company and I never got to like a PK river is the one that got away on the sponsorship. You know. Actually in the garage, one of my old bikes is the 24 inch larger wheel version of a PK Ripper. So I You know, have one of those.
It was your Moby Dick. It was the one that got away.
Yeah, you know, and I have a few others I for some strange reason I never got a PK Ripper Even now I got the 24 inch ones. That's enough. But that bike was called that that company was called se racing and they just had the coolest vibe. I mean, they would put their factory colors we're not like, you know, like, you know, we're having Super Bowls this weekend, as we're Is it okay to say something time sensitive like that. But I mean, consider how like, an NFL team will have purple or black and black or they'll have silver and blue or red and yellow. This this company's factory team uniform colors were baby blue, brown and camouflage. Oh, that's cool. Oh, no, it was just amazing. And then you know, outfits and that camouflage was just the coolest vibe ever. And I never got to ride one until I was much older.
So yeah, this episode's actually gonna come out in a few months. So if so by the time it comes out the the Super Bowl is done, but to make things interesting, would you like to introduce make a prediction of who's gonna win and the score.
It's not the Raven.
Okay, there you go. You have it there. This is recorded on January 29 2020. So Scott just made this prediction and it's absolutely correct. If it's not then you didn't hear anything.
If you caught earlier how I'm originally from Baltimore, you know the sentiment with which I delivered that.
There you have a dual cross him. Yeah. So a question that crossed my mind was when you get a new bike, how long does it usually take you to get like used to it because you said like some bikes, you just connect as it like it's your own skin you feel every like, inch and every, like material if it is like as part of your body like the surfboard you're talking about. So for you, how long does it usually take you to get accustomed to a new bike?
Well, I'll talk on behalf of everybody. You know, I think a lot of it has to do with your skill level. I'll never forget the time I was complaining about a new bike. that I put together and I just didn't seem like it was working or functioning right. And this is why I've been back in the sport. I probably need to put the aside here that I stopped BMX racing when I discovered curl cars and girls that age 16. And I came back to it after my first daughter was born, because the other thing I was doing was road racing motorcycles, which, anytime you pick up the magazine, somebody has killed themselves on a race track racing. And invariably, they have twin daughters or a fiance they're leaving behind and I didn't want to be a jerk at my own funeral. So my wife told me after I put that aside, you know that it's obvious I'm miserable, not racing anything I said. Yeah, yeah, no, you're right. Because you know, like Steve McQueen said, racing is life. Everything else is just waiting. If you brace something, you have it in your blood. I don't think I'm quite that single minded. I've got some great mentioned that that I could. I don't wish my days away between races. But she said, Well, what about the thing you did when you were a kid? Oh my god. You know what, that's a Little kids sport right? And I there was an internet at that point I looked it up and to my just utter shock and amazement 31 to 35 year old 24 inch racing was the biggest class and every national now it's guys like me reliving their youth on the on the bigger bikes and I was hooked. I was hooked. And we ended up moving to a larger metro area where we live now where there were tracks where there weren't in the place we lived before. And the funny thing that answers your question is I wasn't very good at it yet and I got off a bike that everybody told me Well look, the reason why you bought that for such a cheap price off the internet when you first got into it is because the bike was notoriously the most poorly designed 24 inch cruiser ever made. That's why you're still okay, so I got a new one and I say I don't think this one's any better than that kid. It was the current district number one on 24 inch wheels and only brought that bike and he took it and just skyed everything and just threw down like it was a extension of his body and he comes back to me and little, you know, little brats. I don't think there's anything wrong with this must be the rider. I don't know guys, you know, like yeah to Shay. So if you're not in a good you know, anything you do that upsets the apple cart is going to involve a steep learning curve for you. I would say also little kids, like if I were to mess up my daughter's set up more than one piece at a time, she would take a couple weeks to get back up to full speed but the guys who are you know, just old pros of this they could they could probably take one of the Schwinn sting rays from 1970 and perform magic on it. You know, I'm being a little facetious, but the thing is when I got rid of another bike that didn't work and I got one that actually did work, which was my first Supercross frame by the way, I was immediately faster the first I took one careful lap so I wouldn't kill myself then the my first Hot Lap I took on that was two seconds faster than anything I've ever done. done on the bike I was used to. That's a fact. Yeah and no lap is 45 seconds. Okay. Yeah, that's significant.
So it was like an instant instant love Love at first sight.
Well, yeah, the thing just worked better. So I mean, you know, a lot of times, you know, if you have bad golf clubs and somebody comes in they have really really good golf clubs. And you complain about your bad persimmon wood golf clubs. When this guy had you know, tailor made or something. You're going to sound like you're being defensive and a whiner. Okay, but if you traded golf clubs, the score would have been closer. Okay. That's the way it is. With a lot of the bikes. The bikes do make a huge difference. My wife's my wife's bike. She's a full grown woman. Her bike is 14 pounds, and it's a 24 inch cruiser. And if you buy one off of Amazon, that's like a mongoose or redline, it'll be a 20 pound bike. You know, my daughter's at one point was under 10 pounds. Wow. When she was younger, and you know, if you bought the smallest bicycle out of the box, it'd be about four 13 pounds. And so if you have a kid who weighs 32 pounds, pushing something that's 14 pounds compared to something that's 10 pounds, you can see the advantage there, especially if the bearings roll better and it's stiffer and it handles better and it's more confidence inspiring. So it all matters. Yeah,
spirit about all that matters, as in the bike. Also the individuals You said your whole family does BMX and what would you say is everybody's strongest quality? If you're able to determine that, let's say speed, agility, strength or anything in between?
Oh, what a great, great question. I think for me, it's passion. I mean, I'm one of those guys who's living proof that no matter how hard you practice, if you're not naturally talented at it, you'll still be mediocre. My wife's is grittiness. She's got a little tomboy in her she's very cute and sweet and feminine. She's but but she wants to go out and play in the dirt with the boys and that has that has allowed her to stand up and put elbows out and races were quite literally both women flanking her. We're roller derby queens. Oh, okay. My wife five foot, one 120. And they got her respect after that race because she elbowed them back my daughter. For her. It is grit and determination. She's just a very mentally tough little girl who's very competitive. Everybody underestimates my little daughter. She's just now figured out how to say ours and ELLs and she's just turned eight. So you know, she was Tongue Tied physically, and she's very small for her age. She's very slight. So even now at it at age eight, she's on the size bike most the kids her age have outgrown. She's all hair. She's very cute. And she still only weighs about 38 pounds or 39 she's 40 pounds 41 pounds, I think
but I bet she has a soul of a lion. Oh.
And and you know she races against I mean, at that age, she races girl expert class. So these are the little girls who are the best in The country they beaten the boys at least 10 times okay to turn you know they have to race against the boys in the in the novice classes and then you you can go through intermediate and Sara's beaten the boys and intermediate classes 10 times and then you get to girl expert okay now we've since she was five everybody pretty much skips intermediate because if your kids showing promise you move directly to girl expert expert girls because there's so few of them frankly okay, but she's always been the tiniest kid on the gate I mean we got we there's a little girl out in California I don't want to Doc's anybody but her first name is something that's always the largest of its type in the world. Okay, imagine a kid who's like first name is like Airbus A 380 or Chevy Suburban, first name. And I joke with her parents. I said, you know, short people don't name their kid that and get her like Indian. This kid's like a head taller than my daughter at age like seven. And so she has a lot of kids who have an unnatural knack for just raw power. I mean they're longer cranks. You know? And you know when you're that small that matters but Sarah always the raw skill not always I mean she's there's lots of kids who are a next level of elite above her. Now at this point, there's the three time current state champion for Texas, which is good. She just finished overall number one across all age groups. That doesn't mean she's faster and everybody means she got more points racing the people she's meant to race with on any given day, but a lot of beating the boys to be district number one, because not always are their girl class. Right? And everybody respects her talent even at the nationals. She made every main event at every national she went last year through all the qualifying rounds, she was in the final eight every national she went to and that's you know, you know, there are more than nine of them, but that those those groups, okay. And so she has the respect at a national level and she's always the tiniest kid. So absolutely. It's grit and determination. My son has the ability just To relax and have fun and enjoy the event without getting all flustered over it. So actually, Sarah helps him get psyched for races. His name's john. And john helps Sarah chill out when she needs to. So they're very good for each other. So they complement each other and for Sarah, you know what, that's an advantage when your opponent is under estimating you. And you just blow
them out the water and it takes them a moment to realize oh, no, what? She's better than what I expected and then they can't catch up because then they're stressed out and you know what, Sarah's got the game. She's got this figured out she's, she's messing with our minds.
Well, the beautiful part is when she goes to a new track somewhere and she gets put with the boys, because there weren't any girls and they trash talker. Like, oh, you're just a girl. I'm gonna beat you. I bet you're slow and Sarah trash talks them back. Like what's my full blessing? Okay, I'm talking about this as an excuse, you know no fisticuffs or anything but Taroko Well, I'm looking at the front of your plate and mine says one in yours says 204. So I don't know. We'll have to see what happens. Well yeah but you're a girl and she'll say well you're a boy You know
I love the kid trust talking at that age must be so adorable the watch
Oh, it's amazing and they've been doing it since they were five and the little girls will trash talk each other and then what's happened what's the craziest thing in the world especially the little girls like imagine 12 kindergarteners okay and and everybody except my daughter has a pink and purple bike you know the carbon fiber stuff and then pink aluminum and analyze purple. My daughter's is like, Look, she modeled hers after the Pro with a lot of black and dark colors. And hers looks like a BMX version of a Moto GP you know, Ducati because of the color combinations he uses. And But anyway, they're up on the gate and they are like little Calvin and Hobbes pictures when he was like real angry and determined, you know, under these huge helmets and make them look like you know, Marvin the Martian. So cannon, no, get up there. And there. They're clipped in they use clip pedals. Oh, five Wow, can't do that till you're an expert. And then the gate is like high pressure. You know, you had a time to get all them snap the gate. And you know, I mean this is like mains at nationals and world competitions and I mean and on these tracks that have like five meters starting hills. I mean when I was 10 years old, I was afraid to jump off the high dive at the local this kid are barreling down something that looks a lot like a ski jump from the top. And and, and they are ruthless. I mean, they're robbing each other of the berms and one time Sarah was beating this little girl she came around Sarah actually Sarah lost the race this little girl she came when she terrorist came out to came back and said when this little girl went around, she went No. Like, he was a Star Wars movie or something. And I mean, and then what happens is, you know, they they'll handle it. I mean, it's it's amazing to watch because they're kindergarten little girls, you know, and and they'll cross the line and then 10 minutes later, they're coming each other's hair and playing with my little ponies and Shopkins and, and holding hands and you know, getting, you know, shave ices together and trading. It's crazy. They're just they act like little kids again, you know little girls and all putting their one I mean, one time they were handing out the number one plates and Sarah didn't win one at that particular event. And I went to find her because she was missing. And I found her under a tree braiding this little five year old blonde girl's hair. And Sarah was seven, you know? And she's just making friends. She mentors these little kids to the little girls locally, the five and six year old little girl racers, we have more of them than most tracks because little sisters stare out there and they go I want to try I want to try and inherit Sarah loves, takes great pride in helping them get faster. She's a part of a team called tough girls to you ff GURLZ, you know, spelled the mod way. And a Hall of Famer named Debbie kalsa runs that team and they place out huge emphasis on self confidence for young girl athletes and grittiness and determination and always be faster than the boys you know. And they talk a lot about mentoring and helping other people and and Sarah has bought into it hook line and sinker and it's beautiful
you know it's very very good that Sara learned at a young age and I'm sure your son as well that the energy that they give is on the track and off the track we're humans and they just communicate us friends or acquaintances that will be eventually either become friends or stay acquaintances, but they understand the respect the trash, the trust, the track is for trust talk off the track is for friendly talk.
I mean that Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it gets out of hand sometimes like it does in the NBA or in the NFL, but, you know, it's usually teenage boys with testosterone or sometimes the older dads
the passion of dance.
If you beer skis, you know before the fortigate Next thing you know things get sketchy but yeah I mean between that is scuffing their knees and extreme sports and it's not it's not one of those sports where everybody gets a participation trophy if you lose and you don't make the final you paid a lot of money and you lost meanwhile you watch this kid walk away with a four foot trophy for winning and that kid isn't you and that's the kid who deserves it and and how good you are is on the front of your bike like in motocross if you're number one, you're a champion. Everybody else you know they would like to have that number one. And Sarah lost her regional final this year. I mean there's there's district and then their state championships then there's regionals and nationals and everything but district is age specific. So she went to the south central regional finals ranked number one, and she expected to walk away from that with a yellow number one plate for being South Central regional champion, seven expert girls and a little girl came from California who was national number one and sniped it from her. You can get angry dog I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get angry. I'm not gonna get angry.
Sarah. So Sarah got a two. I mean, the Royal you write
the Royal we could be angry about that. But it's within the rules. And she did that she surprises she was at a national number one on the front of her bike. She was the fastest six year old last year. And she came and if Sarah would have wanted that, number one, she could have beaten her and she didn't. And that's it. So she's got a number two.
Well, you know what, at this point, it becomes a learning experience. If you don't win, she can say, you know what, this is where I need to improve. And this is where I need to grow. And for you itself, just a little segue, what would you say is the best part about BMX racing on a personal and emotional level? What does it bring to you?
Well, it's a great way to bring your family together and to travel and to go on adventures. And for the kids. I really agree with Angela Duckworth who gave a great, great TED Talk. She's an educator from somewhere, I believe, near Philadelphia. And she talked about how the same biggest differentiator between people who are ultimately successful in life and not is grid, which is mental toughness. You know more than raw intelligence more than now good looking you are, whatever privileges you have the biggest differentiator is is how mentally tough you are. And these kids out competing and crashing and getting up and a lot of people question why we will take a five year old little girl and put her in an extreme sport where she can scuffed herself up and get hurt. And the answer that question is, first of all, she loves it. She's passionate about it. And I really honestly believe my kids will grow up and take over the world someday. Because they're not fazed by much that they've overcome and they've come overcome adversity. They've had to perform under pressure and you know, not not in a life and death way. But in a way that that if they embrace it will be fun to them, you know, but they put I think, I think The main at the Grand nationals at the end of the year which both my wife and my daughter made the finals at the grants the last race of the year like the fight the Super Bowl the sport, they came out with a TV camera and stopped in front of each racer and introduced a little girls making a hearts with their hands, you know. And every kid on my daughter's gate five and under girl expert nailed the start, just like just lizard brain mode. And it was my wife's main, you know, 46 to 50 year old women's cruiser where they were all shaky, and one of them hit the gate on. They were the ones flustered. It wasn't the five year olds. You know, it's amazing. It's like when you watch the kids in the Olympics like the Olympic gymnast, and you wonder how can they stick the landing when the whole world's watching? It's amazing. I don't know how they did. I think it's just sheer repetition, but that mental toughness, that level of understanding Hey, I could get hurt doing this. I could crash I could lose and when I when I lose, it's going to be painful. One time Sarah lost spectacularly. By trying to crash for the lead, and it costs her not only in the standings, but it costs her had really pretty trophies at that race and and the person that she was trying to beat was one of her biggest rivals. It was actually the same little girl with no that's it. And she crashed and it was a spectacular crash and it it hurt. You know, she landed on her helmet, you know, we have good stuff and little kids don't get seriously injured much in the sport. I want to absolutely say that. I mean, it's not like tossing your kid out of an airplane without a student. It's not like what they do on Nitro circus or X Games. It's not like that. We picked her up, scuffed her off and she was racing the next week and nobody could believe it. And she wasn't fazed. She's like yeah, you win some you lose some I'll be back next time. I'm gonna win
kids because they're like, go like bouncy balls. You just bounce in and they're back on their feet. As you get older, you got to bounce and just don't just walk it off a little bit. And on that three year old expert is like, Oh, yeah, on that note. What are some common injuries that happen when doing BMX racing and what are some injuries that you've occurred or You've had
to turn off everybody from the sport, build up the cars just blow it down with one breath. It is very rare for kids to get seriously injured racing. Okay, you will get some My son has broken his wrist, they got healed up he was fine. My daughter has really not hurt herself to the point where she needed to go to the doctor. Emily broke her pinky finger and and she crashed one time and kind of knocked her shoulder out of whack for a couple weeks. So she you know, she skipped a couple races. I have broken more bones than that. But I've also been at it since 1978. I mean, anytime you do any kind of sport, where you're going to either contact other people or you're going to contact the ground sometimes you're going to you're gonna have a trip to the doctor here and there. But really, it's it's amazing how how kids stay on two wheels and when they do crash, they slide out I mean the really spectacular crashes that make people gasp are usually usually reserved for the older experts or the pros are doing made for TV events. And maybe one day there'll be for your kids, you never know. Well, it really isn't. There aren't a whole lot of people making a living off of racing. I mean, there are people who do it in ancillary ways in the sport by make manufacturing goods or you know, whatever. But I would say there's only a handful of riders who are actually making a living from racing, a lot of them do graduate to mountain biking and other disciplines that are perceived not to be a little kids sport, you know, and a lot of them simply go and get a job or build a career elsewhere there are a lot of people are former racers are still in the sport, including myself. You know, a lot of people just stay amateur because it's fun. It's kind of like when you make something your job, it's no longer any fun. You know what I mean?
Yeah, no, I know exactly where you're coming from.
Most most of the competitors and BMX racing our kids, most of the adults racing have Kids racing. Also, it is a big time family thing it was fun to have. My wife and my daughter be the only mother daughter team of top 10 nationally ranked riders. That's cool to hear that. But it is going to if you go to a national and they have 200 Motors, which is 200 racks of kids and adults, 160 of them will be children under 18.
And let's just get their blood pumping. And they must all love it with a passion and they have like, I wouldn't call it a tunnel vision, but their focus that nothing will get in their way. They have the goal, the finish line is in front of them or around the corner, wherever it's located, and they're going to reach it. And you have a lot of experience doing this. Your daughter's just starting off your wife has experienced her son's kind of starting off as well. So what was your biggest challenge when you first started
BMX racing, getting somebody to take me to a tractor race? Because my parents weren't passionate about it. They thought I should go play lacrosse or study to get into college. You know, what are you riding around on your bike? For what what good is that? So that was my biggest challenge that and also getting a bike that was raisable. Because, you know, I got all the wrong parts because I was young and silly and all the heavy stuff and the stuff that wasn't designed for racing and I had to, you know, mow lawns and wait for Christmas, you know, to get a part here and there. I mean, even back then, and now, it's not the cheapest sport in the world to have all the goodies. I mean, you can like anything else, I mean, you can go to a pawn shop and get some golf clubs and be out in the golf course. But next thing you know, like us, guys, once we get passionate about something, we have to have all the cool stuff, you know what I mean? But I mean, the cool thing about families is you know, once mom and dad are into it, the kids get the cool stuff, you know, without mowing the lawns comes a family thing. And I think that's that's a good thing. Your kids if anybody listening to this is has their interest piqued with this. What I can tell you is if you take them out to see BMX, they'll either be eyes wide, Like saucers, or they'll be laying there I'm not feeling and it will probably have everything to do with the weather that's freezing cold outside that way. If it's warm in like 22 degrees and sunny and it's a big race and kids are having fun and especially if they see people their own size, that's why they're more little girls here locally because they see Sarah and they go, she can do it. I could do it Mom, right. And a lot of people think it's a sport for boys. They don't think that girls can do it and and we have more girls in the sport than ever before. I tell you what the little girls are in this sport, they just love it. They feel so cool and have such confidence is they're doing something rough and tumble and they're just as cool as the boys and I'll tell you the the best girls especially prepubescent, like when they're like under 12 the best girls will beat all the boys in the country except the very elite boys. In other words, they could hold their own in the expert class with the boys, especially the younger ones. And it's really neat to watch but um, whatever. I would say is one of the great benefits of BMX. Like if any fathers, mothers or fathers are listening to this and you feel like your kids on, you know kind of becoming a statistic in obesity department and they're kind of not paying attention to school and getting in trouble and they spend way too much time in front of electronics and on the TV. And in every time you you find them there, they're absolutely absconded with your iPad and are always in trouble and you don't know what to do with them. Man, if you got a $225 bike off of Facebook marketplace and took your kid out and then as father and son tune that bike up together, you don't have to have the kind of technical expertise where you know how to say for example, tune a two stroke engine for motocross, you'd have to put that kind of money into it. But just that father and son outing and you cheering for him and helping him get ready in him experiencing that racing and getting that in his blood. I've seen father and son Relationships transform. I mean, I've heard fathers come to me and tell me about it, I had the honor of being the track announcer you know, the play by play guide or a local track. And for some reason, since I was the guy they heard talking, they would come up and talk to me about the experience they're having. And oh, this is so much. That's cool. And that's what I heard over and over again, is my kids and I are becoming so much closer. He's doing better in school. He's just, you know, a more resilient kid. You know, there's a lot of talk nowadays about toxic masculinity and how do we train today's little boys how to be real men. And I think what's left out of that is mental toughness isn't gender specific. And it isn't that we have to turn our little boys into wimps and soften them up. It's like, Hey, you know, the girls want to have mental toughness and be confident as well and they can still be girls but we have to help our boys, you know, realize that they can still do that and enjoy it. They can go out and be rough and tumble and throw elbows each other. And I don't know, even trash talk each other a little bit. I'll probably get email because of that. But, you know, there's, we're not talking about kids who back down, we're to talk about assertive children. And what I've noticed about the kids who have raised at the national level, I've been at this long enough that I get to see them and they're 20 sometimes, you know, and they've gone and gotten jobs and every one of those kids is just an exemplary citizen. They're doing something that changes the world. They're good people who treat others with respect, and aren't getting in trouble with the law. And one young man I know he is in the military as an officer and he does just amazing work. And another guy now I known him and his parents for ages just great kid, but you know, just out doing himself at the professional level nowadays. 2728 and you guys grew up to be firefighters and law enforcement officers and now Go back and credit it to their days on the BMX track teaching them how to be gritty.
You know what it sounds like BMX is the way to go. You heard it from Scott, if you want to be well behaved and want to be successful. Find a BMX. You can find it on Facebook, eBay, don't steal bikes. It happened to Scott Scott will find you. And I don't know what he's gonna do but looks like a setup for a joke. But for you, what would you say is your current biggest challenge? I feel like you don't hang on. Let me tell the joke. All right, go ahead. Tell me the joke.
This is a joke that actually was written by emo Philips, who's on stage persona is a little weird, but he's an amazing comedy writer. And he says, When I was a boy, I used to pray every night that God would give me a bicycle. But then I realized God doesn't work like that. So I stole one and asked him to forgive me.
I think I heard something like that. It was it is it's it's easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission.
Yeah, yeah. My dad told me something before. I'll just
If you want to become a better behaved pert, yeah, parents become worse behaved. it crushes them. I mean they're yelling paddle, paddle paddle. And you know, the parents are yelling at each other. Don't talk to my kid. The parents are the ones are embarrassed. Or the kids are wondering,
you know what you need, you need to have like a soundproof wall or soundproof glass where the parents can see but the kids can't hear. So the kids can just focus.
Like the parents are saying paddle, paddle paddle, and some guy stands like some good Yeah, you get out there and a bike can get open a little bit. But yes, I'm sorry. You asked a very legitimate question.
No, no, no, you're speaking your heart, which is fantastic. But yeah, the question I did ask was, what is your current biggest challenge?
My current biggest challenge is our local or local track closed because the laws changed here in Texas, and it was on a floodplain and they couldn't put the track there anymore. So we're in the process of finding a new location for the track and so the kids are having to drive me this as a first world problem, but the kids are having to drive to Austin to race which is an hour and 15 minutes away, it used to be eight minutes away.
Would there be a way to have it in a dome? Or is that something you guys don't want or do on?
Well, I'll tell you indoor tracks are great, but they're usually something that happens in the wintertime in cold climates. Now, the grants every year are held in the Tulsa Convention Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which is a huge, huge venue. And they just have had a couple nationals where they build a temporary track inside like a, like a rodeo Stadium, you know, rodeo place, but having a track actually indoor and being a local track purposely built for that is very rare. Matter of fact, the two of them that I know of that are permanent, have big metal coverings over them, right? They're not enclosed because it gets dusty in there and also it gets sticky in there. Like if you have a bunch of eight year olds holed up in the same indoor place for three days straight. Everybody goes home with the flu. So you don't want that either. But What they've done is they figured out how to make the tracks less susceptible to rainfall. So they stay smooth and, and don't crumble up and turn the mud so quickly. I mean, ironically, when I was a kid mud races we just raised nowadays you can rest the track by destroying it. I'm sorry by destroying it in the rain like
that. And I also bet there's that feeling of doing it outdoors like putting that in the wind just hitting your face or hitting your body
indoors. That feeling that makes it more enjoyable. Whatever happened to going outside and playing
right you know what I'm taking this I'm gonna take my podcast stuff and go outside. I live in Canada. It's the middle of winter what could go wrong?
But put, you know, they have bicycle tires with the spikes like ice racing. They do ice bicycle. Oh,
yeah. Well here and within Ottawa, where I'm from people get like the thicker tires and it can be like, snow up to your knee and people will still bike to work. There's nothing that I know to go into a darker side. I know we're having a really positive upbeat like energetic conversation. What are some misconceptions about people who do BMX racing?
Well, I had a friend one time he and I both were single at the same time. My wife and I met each at my current wife and I met each other in 2006 and 2003 we were both really into the sport and we were on match.com and it's national form and he put pictures of himself on this guy's about 653 50 and he put pictures of himself BMX and up there. Now the bikes are 20 inch wheel bikes. And so he put pictures of himself up there and talked a lot about BMX and you know, that may have worked well with him or for him or not, but I was equally passionate about the sport but something told me if I put pictures up there myself ride around 20 inch bicycles and talk about how much I love to go BMX and when most people race it or little kids, you know, I don't think I'm going to get as many dates and so that worked out well for me, you know, I would wait till like the second third date but fried spring on women that I was into this stuff by then either like me or they didn't anyway so, you know, it was a no consequence. But I think most adults can't comprehend adults racing this it's like well, why don't you go get a motorcycle? Everybody thinks a BMX is like for people who are too wimpy or too poor who are who aspire to be doing motocross and really it's a very different sport. And or people who Why don't you do mountain biking? I mean, you know, put some shocks on that bike go on a longer, it's its own discipline, it's worthy in its own right. I think the biggest unfortunate factor is that it's called BMX bicycle motocross, when in reality, it's more like short track bicycle obstacle racing. You know, it resembles motocross because they call the heats modos and there's a gate and etc. But just to kind of show you where the stigma comes in. Mountain Bike mountain biking actually appropriated BMX and built the gate as four guys across and they call it for cross and they don't ever mention any homage at all to BMX. Well, there, yeah. But at the same time, people can't believe my daughter was as young as she was doing it. Like I said, She's this tiny little kid, she's looks like a toddler. Like, she's the state champions like you bet you see on a bike, and then they see the video and they're like, wow, wow. Yeah, I think that's the biggest misconception. I think either people think it's really dangerous when it's no more dangerous than playing any other use sport really. Or that it's really has to be expensive, which it doesn't or that the people are all going to be very rough around the edges and rude and Uber competitive or snobby. I mean, you know, whatever you're thinking about BMX folks, if it's if it's negative, you know, You're gonna find when you go to your local track, people will be so glad to see you. There'll be so cool down to earth. People who are very uptight, like helicopter mom, kind of people, people who are easily offended, like, Oh my god, you know, people are looking for reasons to categorize other people and slot them and get passive aggressive, those people aren't putting their kids on bicycles and strapping helmets to them and telling them to go ride. But people are very laid back very much. People want to take a bite out of life, and you'll find that everybody's friendly and a lot, a lot, a lot of family oriented people. And it's one of the things I really love about this sport is that as the kids get older, they take care of the younger kids, like, especially local races at the grassroots level. So funny, my daughter had the hugest crush on this kid who was like 14 when she was like six, okay, and and I don't know what I would have done with that when I was 14. But you know, this kid's great kid and he just, you know, took it in stride. You know, he just was very nice to Sarah, in order to go ahead and roll his eyes didn't think it looked back, you know. And it just, it's great to see kids be worthy role models, even at 12 or 13. Two kids who are seven or eight. It's really cool. And, you know, they kind of harks back to what I said they grow up to be leaders, they grew up to be good people who mean Well,
you know what it's it really sounds like it's a really good community, a close, tight family, people are there to help each other out and help grow on the truck. Like I said before, it's a competition, but off the track, we're all humans, and they're just there to support each other. And the each person can learn from each other, which is fantastic. And on that note is a horrible segue. But do you have any word of advice for anybody who might be interested in this hobby?
Well, you know, kind of to piggyback off what you just said, BMX racing as a national community is kind of it's kind of metaphorical to say it's like one of those cities that's not so terribly large that it has horrible traffic like LA or Houston, but it's also not a city. So small You don't have one of every restaurant. So it is a small world. And in that you get to know the players even at the national level, you get to know people like Sara's on a first name basis with the pros who she looks up to, they know who she is. But also, you can do a whole lot, you can go to a different track, you can meet somebody new, there are all kinds of different parts you can choose from. So it's a small world, but it's a big world. At the same time when you go to the website, like where the sanction is like USA, BMX calm or check out the Facebook group. You'll see it's pretty elaborate. And when you start looking through the district points, you'll be like, wow, a lot of people are involved with this.
Yeah. And that's even a better segue for my next question. Do you have any social media links or websites because I do this at the beginning at the end so people can get a refreshed mind on where they can find Scott and everything he's doing?
All right. Well, what we're personally doing to get back to the BMX world is we have started a venture called MC stickers and I ck STI ck you rs.com and this is something that's never been done as far as we can tell in youth sports ever before and we're starting with BMX, but you know, if you're listening to this and your kids are involved with youth sports, you may be interested and at Nick stickers calm, what you'll find is we have a team of artists. You tell us, your kids age nickname, their team colors, and I have my artists draw a cartoon of their nickname. That's kid's name, the cannonball or my daughter's the flying chipmunk Isn't that something? And, you know, someone named the big rig, we I kid his name, you know, Billy hot sauce, whatever his last name is. I'm not gonna mention anybody's names but not without the parents permission. But BMX is a very nickname oriented sport, which of course is another very cool thing about BMX, okay. And what we do is we do artwork for kids, a visual representation there nicknamed The Flying chicken. The Flying chipmunk one is particularly cute by the way And then what we do is we turn them into stickers. So you can put them on the back of your car, you can put them on your bike, you can put them on your notebook and you feel like a pro you feel like you're you're almost famous because you have a picture of yourself as you as the as your Alter Ego as your nickname. And it is so far proven to be very popular. And we're doing that. Even for soccer players for motocross, there's lacrosse players, if you have, you don't even have to have a nickname. You can just tell us what your personality is like, and our artists will draw you and with your name.
It's kind of like when you get sponsored. So you're sponsored by yourself. Like that's, that's your sponsor logo. That's awesome. You know what, I don't know.
The factory sponsored kids like the cream of the crop. The kids are like national number one overall, a couple of the teams like draw cartoons, stickers of their kids and hand them out at races. And all the kids are like, Oh man, this is like as cool as being in the magazine. Well, now we can do that for your kids and my daughter. I mean, her dad and mom are running the company, right and the The first time she ever saw her flying chipmunk sticker. She was like, This is like the coolest thing ever.
You know what for kids, this is the equivalent of a business card when people see is like, okay, hey, that's the fun chipmunk. I gotta get in contact with this. You know what, I just thought of a name for myself. I'll be the gliding potato.
Not flying, colliding.
And I forgot to ask this question, but it's pretty important. And I'm sure a lot of people are curious. But what has BMX racing taught you in life? It taught you one very important thing thing, what would it be?
Take yourself less seriously. Some days you win some days you lose. Have fun. Try your darndest. And if it doesn't work out, there's always tomorrow. And then the day after that the day after that. And you know how to tomorrow's Am I correct? Exactly. My little bratty daughter she wins almost all the time. She mean you know she has to go to a national and go head to head with a little fat chick's from California to get it handed to her and she doesn't like it. But, you know, I think winning and losing is, is good for you. I mean, and so sometimes parents will go to a national and they expect their kid to do well and the kid crashes out both days and I've seen parents go Oh my God, this was such a waste of a weekend. Oh, it wasn't because that's that, that has to happen. Sometimes to make to make the winning worthwhile to make it
matter. I could just imagine like you as a father, you come in like seeing just to check up on your daughter when she's sleeping. She's just sleep, cycling. Doing BMX as she's sleeping just muscle memory.
Well, nothing I guess I should say before we leave as we do other things as a family. I'm not burning my children out at this. And I think that needs to be said and in some very important ways. It's sort of a secret to our success. I don't have my kid out there doing laps and doing training programs and I haven't hired a pro to be her bootcamp instructor. I didn't do that to my kid. Now she loves to ride her bike. She can go on the Greenway trail with Doesn't do 17 miles and want more, okay on a single speed bike granted is light, but we don't we don't force our kids to go when they don't want to. And there have been times where we're a couple weeks and they didn't want to go. And you know, when my son broke his wrist, we needed to take care of him enough and do other things well, that he could do to enjoy his life instead of making him stand around the sidelines wishing he was out there. So we travel we actually world school our kids, which means we, we homeschooled and boy treat the entire globe as their as their field trip. And they're involved with a bunch of other things. Both of them are heavily into drawing and art and you know, they're they're good, well rounded children. It isn't all BMX all time in our family and I don't want to, I don't want to I can't overstate that. We do do other things other than
this knows it. So that's adding to the misconceptions that it's all the time 24 hours, so that's perfect. I didn't think you did. I thought that you're a very good father. You Your kids are just very energetic and it also sounds they're just very passionate about BMX, but they also sound like their kids, they have other passions as well, which is always fantastic. Like I know for myself Oh, my mind was bouncing around everywhere. I was trying everything out so I think it's like every kid does that right?
Yeah, definitely. I think the kids that try BMX and like it tend to become slightly addicted to it, because it's competition and it's the big time or little kids don't usually get to see that like, you know, if you play soccer or you play like softball, you can go to regionals and states, but I mean here in Texas, you have to make the state championships before they put you on TV, really, and you get to play where the Cowboys play. You know, BMX, their trophies, every race, sometimes big trophies of big races. There's championships on the line. There sponsorships, I mean, there are magazine opportunities. There are other kids competing and It's you and a team. Like I said, My daughter's on a team where they have camaraderie. But when you're on the gate, it's you versus everybody. And so every there's something at stake all the time and it kind of makes it feel fun. And when you go to the bigger races, the pros are having their championship races that same day, and all the sponsors are out. And they're banners for all the companies and it feels like a big deal even for little kids. I can't think of something that feels like a bigger deal for kids in elementary school than BMX racing, eating your vegetables. I mean, like I have, I have behind me, I'll show you what you can take up I could take a picture and send it to you if anybody really cared but I'll show you when we when I put the video on at the end of this again, behind me is more it's an ungodly amount of big trophies in wall to wall. Oh, yeah. Because I mean, you know, you can write you can play a whole season all across and they give you a team trophy at the end. So you have kids who have been, you know, participants In team sports throughout their high school years, they have like a little shelf about five trophies on them. I mean, wanna stare as little friends won her open class and her and her points class at a national and all three days and got six five foot trophies just for one weekend. Wow. Oh, geez,
man, you need to get a bigger house. That's the scale.
Yeah, but she's really good. Yeah.
And for the last question, I always do this at the end of each episode. Do you have any questions for me about BMX racing?
Well, I guess the best question I could ask is, did you feel like you got something from this conversation? Do you feel a bit better acquainted with BMX than you were before? Did we clear up any misconceptions you may have had about it?
Oh, well, actually, before we had this conversation, and we were talking on through email, you told me that your daughter did it and a young age five. I was like, wow, that's impressive. Like I five years old, I was doing nothing like that.
No kidding. I was afraid To stand at the bus stop, I thought some guy in a pickup truck was going to kidnap me if I stood the bus stop without my mommy when I was five, and my kids racing, you know, down five meter starting hills on carbon fiber bikes, bashing elbows with little boys. Unbelievable. Well, one of
my stupid moments as a kid on a bike is that when my dad was teaching me how to ride a bike, and I finally got the hang of it, he was so happy he gave me two thumbs up. My stupidness decided to let go of the handles and give him two thumbs up. And then the bike just twisted and I went flying.
Ah, that's a shame. Yes, there has been riding two wheels since she was three and a half. Wow. Which is actually late. Really?
Okay. Yeah. A friend of
ours who's you know, if you want to BMX family, he would have been your Huckleberry for sure. I mean, they got five children, all of whom race. I don't think mom and dad race though. And his youngest, was a one novice. He was on pedals on the track before his second birthday.
Okay, so basically if I have kids They're interested in BMX and they have to come out of the womb with a like the handlebar.
For siblings all he talks about family does a lot to be a mixing that would be dumb. But I mean just props you know, and yeah, so so actually it's funny you should mention the no hands thing is Sarah had a penchant for wanting to do tricks before her fifth birthday. You know, once she had a decent BMX bike and I'm riding around the neighborhood with her units blown off by steam steam and one day she just looked at you put your hands out like and she's five and just man give her mama heart attacks over and over. He dies 1000 deaths I mean she's bunny hop and think she jumping things now. Like she's freaking you know, Jeremy McGrath, no hands wanting to you know, one hand or one footers and she just loves tricks. It reminds me Have
you ever seen those videos online of these people who do gymnastics on bike? It's It's It's crazy. Yeah,
I mean, yeah. Then like back when he saw like the movie rad and like 1985. They're like doing flatland tricks. And yeah, I mean, well, I mean, the things that the adults do this is probably something needs to be said before we wrap up. Freestyle BMX is to BMX racing. What freestyle motorcycles are to actual Supercross motocross, you know, riding in the dirt, that what we're talking about here is racing competition, not diving, you know, into the air and triple tail whip double backflip. I mean, that's amazing to us, too, you know. And it's not often where those two talents overlap. By the way. There aren't many racers who are unbelievable at the tricks and there aren't many, you know, vice versa either. But yeah, that needs to be some times people think BMX and they think, Oh, well do they do tricks? It's like, well, they do tricks, but they're racing
and adding another thing to the misconception.
You know, I'm shame on me for not remembering that one because that's a big one.
You know what I'm sure we'll talk more after this podcast is done. You Oh, Turn on the mic again. Oh, there's another one that came up. Oh, I've
died 1000 deaths on my own show to blame me. That's what show notes are for.
Well, you know what, if you guys are interested, you can listen to this episode again. And of course, go check out Scott's podcast because I'm sure he has a lot more information goes into more detail, so you guys can get fully informed. And so yeah, there you have it, another body with a hobby. Thank you so much, Scott, for coming on. And just sharing your passion not only your passion, your wife's passion, your son's passion and your daughter's passion, which is pretty awesome. Thank you, Alex time flew. This was a lot of fun. And if you guys would like to learn more about God, you can go check them out in the description below. I'll put all the links there. And of course, if you'd like to be on my podcast or have any questions at all, you can send me an email at Tom to your firstname.lastname@example.org. And then of course, if you like the podcast, or if you don't like the podcast, leave a review. It could be good or bad. You know, just reviews are always interesting and helps me grow. Whether it's a good one to help them grow in the ratings. If it's a bad one, it helps me develop new skills on how I can improve my skills to I can come up with To like Scott, where I have 10 years of experience or over 10 years of experience of podcasting, and also if you're interested I'm also selling merchandise online for Tom for your hobby stuff on things you didn't know you didn't need. So basically you got bathmat, shower curtains, socks, a hat. Don't actually don't have hats. Anyways, there's a bunch of stuff there. You can go check that out in the website below. And yeah, once again, thank you so much, Scott. Thank you. So Until the next episode, make some time for your hobby. Take care