Jo Coburn - immune system
4:11AM Sep 23, 2020
innate immune system
adaptive immune system
Welcome to the podcast today, everybody. Today we have our special guest is Joe Coburn coming to us all the way from New York State right Jo.
Yeah, Western between Buffalo and Rochester. So, I tell you the name of the town, but most people don't know it. So but everybody knows Buffalo, right?
Yeah, let's get I live in a tiny little town too. So nobody's gonna know where I live either. But we're so honored to have you today to talk to us about our immune system, and how we can keep it strong and keep our bodies as strong as possible. So before we get started on all of that, though, can we want to know a little bit about you, who's Joe, and what got you into natural medicine in the first place.
So, you know, I've always been interested in science and biology and way back when I was going to be in research in genetics, that's really what I wanted to do. And then I ended up being a mom. And that passion never left. And when my kids grew up, and they had their own issues, I started really thinking, you know, there's got to be more than just the scripts that I'm getting from the doctor to just take care of these things as they come up. And I was introduced to just natural options and, and everything just kind of jelled. For me, it kind of resonated. And as I raised kids, I realized, I finally know what I want to be when I grow up, I want to help people with their health. So I went to IIN, just like you've finished. But I did that seven or eight years ago, I hit some of my own health challenges. I thought I had it all together, I thought my gut was great. I thought my adrenals were strong. But then life happened. And I had, you know, we all have those years that are just such a struggle, like, you know, 2020, right ...come on, you know, so, but I hit that year, a few years back. And functional medicine then became the thing that brought it all together for me. So I went back to school, I became a functional medicine practitioner, still not a doctor, still not a doctor, I did not want to go down that path. I didn't want to label and hand people pieces of paper out to people that was not where I wanted to be, I wanted to help people really get down to the root of what is causing their dis-ease, right. And I wanted to let people know that we have everything inside of us to be truly amazingly healthy. And that's what I'm about in the world. Let's get down to brass tacks and figure out what makes us well, I'm reading this book, and the statistics are alarming. 1 out of 100 people are really truly have that amazing, abundant health. Everybody else is struggling.
What really I what I love about functional medicine is that it really gets down to the root part of things. Right? And, and what's amazing is all those people are struggling, and we're all unique. And at IIN we talk about bio individuality and how we are all unique people, and we need to express that and and understand that we're different than everybody else. So we need to do what's best for us. But at the root bar, when you get down to the functional medicine part of things. So many of the problems are caused by the same things for most of us. And so if we get back to the basics, eating healthy, you know, keeping our bodies active, getting enough sleep, dealing with our emotions, and our stress that or come up with life, we all are gonna have stress, you're never going to get rid of stress. And 2020 certainly showed us our fair share of those kinds of great, a whole different way we didn't think was gonna be possible. Right? But if we get back to that basic stuff, and we start taking care of that if you said our byes are so smart, our bodies have been engineered, for all these years to work incredibly efficiently. But we as a society, you know, have put a lot of pressures on it, that doesn't need to be there. Right. And when we help relieve those pressures, both external and internal, and thought that we do for ourselves, right, we put our body under so much more pressure than it needs to be.
Right. Well, and, you know, we spent thousands of years in a society that didn't have the technology and all the stuff that we have now. Right? I mean, all the things that we're being bombarded with, we're, you know, our culture has just bombarded us with things that our bodies were never meant to handle. So now we're playing catch up. We're playing that catch up game with the stress and the toxins and you know, all these things. Things that are evolving right along with us right now these pathogens that we're being that we're dealing with, especially 2020. Right? So we don't want to like, you know, as not doctors, right, we are constrained as to what we can say. And I've always dealt with the host. And, you know, that's us as individuals rather than whatever we're dealing with whatever we're dealing with, we're dealing with. It's, it's how do we make ourselves as an individual, strong, and able to withstand whatever is thrown at us? And what the statistics show is that, you know, three out of 100 of us do it. Okay. 97 of us are really struggling. And one of us is doing really well. Yeah. Well, how do we be part of those three? And ultimately, how to be that one?
I do we get in that 3%? Not the 97%. Right. And what gets us there in the first place? Why are we struggling so much? For something that should be so basic? Right? Yeah.
So that's it. Yeah. So I have some slides to share. We ready? Right in? Yeah. All right. So let me share my screen. We practiced this before. So let's make sure I've got it.
I know. Oh, my gosh, there we go. Good. So when I talk about the immune system, it's all about tolerance. You know, how much can we tolerate? How much can we throw at our bodies before things just start to break down? And how do we maintain that balanced and resilient immune response that we all need? So why are we struggling? What is it about? Our world that makes it so hard? You know, we walk around, stressed, toxic, inflamed, we carry around chronic infections we have, we're malnourished, we're not rested. But yet, we do all that stuff. And we expect to be thriving, to grow, to be able to reproduce, be thin, feel, well eat whatever, we want, poop every day have great sex. It doesn't compute. We have this, this dichotomy where, you know, we're trying to do these things, but we're putting our bodies in an environment where they can't possibly.
Yeah, have it all.
Our expectations are so high for what?
Yeah, yeah, it's just there's there's a mismatch here. So when we come down to brass tacks, when we say it's simple, it really is it comes down to three things, it comes down to what we're putting in our bodies, how are we fueling our bodies? What are we feeding them? So what is that that? You know? What's that food component? How are we handling the stress? The stress isn't going to change? But how can we reframe it? How can we do things to minimize that, and then just that toxic burden, the environments that we're living in the things that are being thrown at us? You know, some of it is unavoidable, but there's a lot of things we can do to to take care of those things. So, you know, right?
Like this. And right now, this year, the toxins are, that are out of our control or outside of our home are so much higher than even normal. Right? Right. How can we help her body to to filter those out the way it needs to and keep us healthy? Right,
so our immune system is basically made to react. Um, but when we were bombarded with the mixed signals, it can't do that intelligently. You know, as mom's right, when all the kids are yelling at us and the dog and the phone's ringing, all of a sudden, we basically become idiots, right? We're like, I don't know what to do. 10 minutes ago, we were on top of the world and you're handling life, and then all of a sudden, we get too much thrown at us. And things start to short circuit, and it's no different for our immune system. So, you know, the majority of us are, we're eating, you know, pardon the language, we're eating crap food, it's modified, it's radiated, it's processed, is loaded with chemicals, because it's got to sit on the shelf until we go pick it up. You know, so, we're, our bodies aren't recognizing the things that we're taking in as as nourishment. So we've got to really look at what we're putting into our bodies. You know, stress really has an effect. It's not just, you know, the stress of, you know, I don't know getting in a car accident and having to deal with that or Fighting with your kids or you know, whatever, whatever gets thrown at us, stress affects our hormones, it affects the immune balance, too much stress and things go haywire and we end up just inflamed in a lot of different ways. So if we keep internalizing that stress, our body's gonna react to that. And then the toxins, and they come at us from so many different places. You know, are we drinking really good, clean water? You know, so many people I talked to go, yeah, we're drinking water, you know, but are they really? Or is it some canned bottled, whatever flavored carbonated form of water? Is it really good clean water that our bodies can actually take in? And that, are we cleaning it too much? Because some people are doing that, you know, they're drinking, you know, they're so hyper focused, they're drinking distilled water, which is leaching minerals out of their body, which still isn't, you know, that's not good, either. Um, the air we're breathing, I'm not just, you know, outside pollution. But what are the pollutants that we have in our homes that are off gassing, from our carpets, from our furniture, from our cleaning products from all that, all that? So are we are we getting, you know, good clean air for the food again, sometimes it's things that we're injecting into our bodies and the medications we're taking, and the things we're slathering on our bodies that we think you know, are making us pretty, and are actually making us sick. So there's a lot that our immune system has to deal with on a daily basis. And you know, we've we can throw all this statistics around, I'm sure we've heard them, you know, how many toxins women slather on their bodies on a daily basis. But those are all giving our bodies things that they need to react to. So how do we get to the place where we have a healthy immune response? The body is supposed to detect and defend all those things that we're throwing at it, it's got to decide, is this a threat? Is it stranger? Is it danger, what's going on here?
It's internally regulated.
It works to the immune system also works to restore and repair damage. So when you have an injury or an infection, you know, stuff happens, things get damaged, and the immune system is what goes in there, and mounts the immune the inflammatory response. So if you bump your knee, it's going to swell, right? It's going to bruise it's going to get red, it does all those things. And it's kind of like cocooning that spot of damage. And the inflammation is there to say, Hey, don't touch me, again, don't do that, again, leave me alone, I need to fix this. And then what should happen is that should go down right? After or after, you know, a few days later, the bruise turns yellow, and then it disappears, and everything functions normally. And that's what the immune system is meant to do. Most of it isn't, you know, some of its inherited, you know, some of what happens in your body is inherited. But the environment is really what controls it. So that's when I say, you know, what, are we throwing out our body? What, what kinds of things is the immune system have to deal with? Because the environment you put your body in, is what is going to control that?
Right. And they often functional medicine often talks about that, right? How the environment is what turns on the triggers, or the inherited part of it, right? And it's, it's, it's there, but it's your environment, and how you deal with your environment that often turns on that or not turns on that. So that's why, you know, siblings have the same genetic code more or less, right. But one sibling could get, you know, Ill an illness, and the other one couldn't, even though it's in both of their families. And they both inherited that, right. It's environmental things that can turn that on or are not Yeah,
and genetics is near and dear to my heart. I love genetics, and I'm from when I went to school for it till now, you know, we know there's epigenetic switches, right, and what we eat, what we expose ourselves to all those things, turn those on and off. And you can see pictures of twins that lived totally different lives. And if ended up I mean, one looks 20 years older than the other, because this one smoke, drank, you know, a crud food and this one ended up you know, eating well and taking care of their stress and had a happy relationship and they had all these things and did things differently, and they look totally different. So your immune system should be tolerant, it should not respond to self, it should be happy to have like the good microbiome should be there and it should tolerate you know, all those good bacteria. It should tolerate the food you eat and the environment you put it in. So
I think that gives a lot of for me, I know when I first started learning about that, it gave me a lot more hope to relate to right like so dimension might run in my family. But that doesn't mean that it will that I will get it. And I'm not lack of power, I have a lot of power in the situation and that I get to control what environment I put my body into. Right. And so I can feel better knowing I have more control over my situation.
Yeah, I mean, it totally puts the power back in the host, you don't have to be you're in control. And a lot of what I do in functional medicine is putting you back in that driver's seat for your health. You know, we in all the things that we take advantage of the supplements, the oils, the herbs, the exercise, the practitioners we use, they're all on the journey with us, but they're there on our bus. Now we're in the driver's seat driving, yeah, we're driving that bus. And we choose what we're going to use to get us down that journey down that path. And my goal as a functional medicine health coach is to teach people how their bodies work. So they can make those choices and invite the right things onto that bus. So when you have an immune response, either to an antigen, or a pathogen, there's things your body is made to deal with this, you have the tears in your eyes, that help him part in the immune system, you have the cilia that lined your respiratory tract and mucus it produces the stomach acid. So when you eat something, that acid should protect you, the different microbes in your gut, you know, there's good guys in there that make sure the bad guys don't stick around, you know, that police force that you have in your gut, most people don't realize that most of your immune response, most of the things you take in, come through your mouth through your digestive tract. So 80% of what your immune system is tolerating or not tolerating. That happens in the gut. And if your guts not right, then your immune system isn't going to be right. So there's a lot that happens in the gut, your skin is the physical barrier, but there's microbes living on your skin, it's a physical barrier. And it's all it also has that. And then you know, your urinary tract is getting rid of things. And you know, there's everything. So no matter what gets thrown at you, the toxins, the viruses, the bacterias, the chemicals, yeast, parasites, whatever it is, your body has everything it needs to respond appropriately to your environment and what you throw at it.
And that's a really good point, Joe, because a really popular term right now we hear it going everywhere is microbiome, right? And, and when we talk about the microbiome, we're talking about the microbiome in our digestive tract. But, um, you know, commercials are setting up and they're even telling us about our microbiome under skin, right. And so we're brick, which is good, because it's bringing us everywhere, we're starting to understand that we have a microbiome and everywhere have it in our eyes and our mouth and, or in our fashionable track, like everywhere, right everywhere, body has its own little microbiome, its own little environment of the good and bad, I hate saying bad, but different types of microbes, and they all play a part, they all do. And we all are really shocked, we just need a great balance,
when I tell them, if you were to take every cell, human and not in your body, and then measure human DNA versus foreign DNA, your mostly foreign DNA, yeah, there's more foreign DNA in your body at any given time, than human DNA. We live in a relationship with all of the microbes. And that's why I said it's more about the host than it is about any pathogen out there. And those things are friends. And even when we do fall, Ill there's a job that those things are doing to bring things back into balance. And it's not it's about tolerance. It's about resilience. It's about can our body, keep the balance, and it's when we tip it too far in one direction that we end up with illness or disease, and we get labeled. So there'siiiiii a lot of different parts. I don't want to get into a science lesson here. But I think it's important for people to understand especially in with what we're dealing with right now how the immune system does its job. And everybody knows there's white blood cells, but you know, it's not just one white blood cell, there's monocytes easy, you know, all these blood cells that you're seeing on the screen now there's a ton of different white blood cells. So your immune system is basically broken into two parts, the innate immune system, which is fast and broad acting, it's kind of like the foot soldiers. They're not specialized forces, they react quickly. And they react to whatever threat is out there. And usually for most people, you know, that's what happens when you go out in public, when you're out, you're shaking hands, you're doing all the things that we do on a normal basis, something comes in, that's not quite right, the innate immune system, boom, boom, handles it. And we don't even know, we don't even know, we're totally unaware that it's even happening. If something does start to take a whole takes a foothold, then it triggers the adaptive immune system, it's, it was too smart, too much to whatever, maybe the innate immune system, something's happened. And you know, it wasn't quite up to task. So then the adaptive immune system goes in, it's a slower response, it doesn't, it's not the first line of defense, it's those second more specialized forces, it's more targeted. So something comes in the innate immune system, it doesn't care what it is, it doesn't label it, it doesn't care. The adaptive immune system takes a little bit of time and says, Hey, what is this thing? You know? Is it a virus? Is it a bacteria? Is it a toxin? What is it? How do I get rid of it? It's more, you know, it pays attention a little bit more. When the adaptive immune system goes off, then it decides, well, do I need an antibody for this? Or can I just use a T cell and take care of this? A lot of times both work in conjunction, but depending on the person, sometimes you'll get an antibody response. Sometimes you won't, sometimes the T cells will handle it. So that's why in today's day and age, we're doing all this testing, and people go, Well, my test was negative or my test was positive. What's it testing for? If your innate immune system took care of it, nothing's getting you the test isn't going to come up. If T cells handled it, you're not going to get a positive antibody test. You know, and this is why in the research, people are going well, you know, the antibody response for this is low. So we don't know if we can come up with something to take care of it. This is why and then the whole system is controlled by the cytokines. Those are the messenger molecules. That's the guy that saying, hey, innate immune system, we need help call the adaptive immune system, you know, and those are the messenger molecules. So it's, this is a really, incredibly simplified form. I've been studying the immune system in depth for over a year now. And I'm still just scratching the surface on all the different parts and how they all feed back. So
yeah, well, there's just so much to learn, right? But this is really great. Thank you so much for this joke, because it really just, you know, gives us a basic idea of what we're dealing with and understanding it a little bit better, right? And the more we understand how our body works, the more control we feel, I feel our I feel anyway, the more I understand how my body works, I feel more in control of the situations, because then I can use my own intelligence to decide whether or not something sounds like it really makes sense when you hear
something. Well, that's the thing right now. That's right. Yeah, the biggest thing, and we'll talk about this on one of my other slides, the minute our body, our brains are confused, and we don't understand. And we get ourselves in this place where fear sets in, this whole thing gets shut down. Yeah, exactly. You know, there's a, there's an emergency break that happens in the immune system, when we are in that place of like, What do you mean, we're not going to mount an antibody response? That means we're going to die? Well, no, that means your innate immune system in your T cells are doing their job. There's so many layers to the immune system. And it's not just one thing. It's lots of parts working together. And then, you know, there's all those good bacteria that aren't even a part of this that are doing their job saying, Hey, you, oh, like you get off the playground.
Yeah, go to the pool.
Yeah, the pool, you don't belong here. Um, you know, so it's, it's, it's an amazing, amazing bunch of things. And there's so much we can do on a daily basis to make this function and that's what I want to get into. But what can go wrong, right? I mean, we all know if you have a dysregulated or imbalanced immune system, there's people that have autoimmunity, your react, there's too much the immune system is doing, you know, it's kind of on overdrive and it wasn't able to shut down and now it's reacting to self. There's intestinal permeability. So if that gut is damaged to the point the inflammation in the gut To the point that you are absorbing things that aren't fully digested. Maybe it's some of those pieces of those bad guys that the good guys have kicked him off the playground and they're, you know, have taken care of that for you that battle. But there's, there's Fallout, right? If there's a war, there's, there's collateral damage, there's stuff that happens. And some of those pieces then get taken in, then you're reacting to bits and pieces. There's excess inflammation, because there isn't that regulation. If your body gets stuck on the inflammatory cycle, and doesn't shut that down, when it's done, low cortisol, there's no internal regulation, cortisol is a big thing. Your distress response can go off, but eventually your body it's like the boy who cried wolf, right? Your body goes, I'm done. I can't I can't go any further. And then you have no, you've lost that internal regulation switch. Sometimes things come in, that look a lot like what's supposed to be there. And then you get it's confused, right? we've, we've put a lot of fake stuff in, you know, that kind of sort of looks like, it smells like vanilla, but it's not really vanilla, or it tastes like strawberry. But it's just strawberry flavored. You know. So we do a lot of things that are almost natural, but aren't, and our immune systems really get confused. And then there's nutrient of driven immune deficiency, if you can't make the cytokines if you can't repair if you don't have the basic raw materials, because you're eating crap food, how do you expect anything to function?
So it really comes back to me, is if we were if we were building a house, and we didn't have any two by fours, or we wouldn't get very far right, like know what our immune system and our body to function without giving it the basic tools that it needs to fight,
right, you know, and then we end up inflamed, you know, whatever that inflammation is, I mean, inflamed doesn't necessarily mean like, Oh, my gosh, my body aches, I'm so small, you know, like, it doesn't mean that it just means, you know, it could be inflammation in your gut, you don't even feel Yes, like you don't even know it's there. Yeah, very good. Information is a huge broad definition. But what happens is, we end up because of all the things we do, we end up with an immune system that's always at some level of inflammation. So then when we actually need to mount an immune response, instead of being at baseline down here, inflammation means you're not tolerant inflammation means there's collateral damage. So if you're chronically inflamed, there's damage already, there's low level damage already. So those two by fours of being are being eaten away, and you don't even know it, until the moment it collapses. So when a threat comes in, like has happened this year, a lot of us that have had this inflammatory process go on in whatever, organ system. Now all of a sudden, we're already halfway to exploding. And it doesn't take much to push us over the threshold.
And I think that we don't realize, at least, you know, for me and my story, I didn't realize how, you know, ill I was until I wasn't ill anymore, I didn't realize how inflamed my body was until I wasn't inflamed. In I had lost 50 pounds very, within a few months. And then I didn't, I have some before, during after picture that I often share with people. Yeah, and I lost 50 pounds. And then in the middle picture, I still weigh the same amount as I do at the end, like within two pounds of each other. But it looks like a completely different body like it is unbelievable. And I did start doing a little bit of working out. But mostly that was inflammation. It was I found a particular food that was causing a lot of my inflammation that I hadn't gluten was a big one that I took out many years ago. But I didn't realize that the potatoes were causing that. And when I got rid of potatoes and all grains for a while to let my body reset and heal itself. Like it's massively different. And even after all this five years of this, I thought I had the inflammation under control. And then I did a cleanse of spring and I never, I could not believe how flat my belly was. Well, it wasn't that I drastically lost a pile of weight that made my belly flat in that short period of time was because whatever I was eating that was causing the inflammation I was not eating now. Right. So the key thing of course is what was that right and how and finding that so that I not always in that state of inflammation. My body's not always in that stressed to that response that going to war, you know attitude all the time because it's putting Too much strain and stress on the rest of my body.
Right, right. And you can get yourself, you know, I have the same, you know, similar, you know, story with, you know, what is causing that reaction that hyper reaction, mine came out on my skin, you know, and I was breaking out in hives. So, you know, I had to figure out real quick what it was, and it gets to a point, you know, where you're so inflamed in that process, you know, that fire is raging so much, it doesn't matter what you add to the fire, it's consumed. Yeah. Right. Whereas if you just, you know, if you get that inflammation down to barely anything, you throw a lot on that fire, and nothing's going to happen. You know, so it's that level of inflammation. That is how, you know how the word I'm looking for? How inflammatory you know, how much reaction there's going to be how quickly that's going to cause more damage. So yeah, in the problem that we have in modern societies, how are we responding to this? Right? What do you do, when that happens? You know, I was given some pieces of paper, and I could have just taken the pieces of paper and gone and gotten those filled and been doing that for the rest of my life. But I knew that wasn't going to get to the root cause I knew that was just going to throw water on my fire. But it was just going to smolder, and it was, you know, like it was still there, the damage was still happening underneath that simmering inflammation was still there. At any moment, if I didn't, if I turned off the hose, it would pop up again, I never got rid of that smoldering inflammation. If I was just gonna squelch it from the top, what I had to do is go underneath and find out what was causing it. So you know, do we pop a pill and ignore it? Or do we keep going, you know, and ignore it? Or do we actually stop, rest? assess, figure out what's at the base of this? What's causing this? Mm hmm. And that's what I chose to do. And that's what functional medicine really is poised to do?
And and not, you know, not to say that taking a pill is not appropriate at times. So sometimes, oh, no,
sometimes the fire is so huge. You need that triage
we need a little help ,
get the fire down. So the whole house doesn't burn. Yeah, but realized you still have coals.
And then we can, you can either get those coals out, put on your gloves, dig that stuff out, get that crap out of there. Or you can just, you know, I mean, keep the hose on for the rest of your life. And, you know, the damage is still happening. You know? So, so what can you do to maintain immunity? And we go right back to the same three things, right? You've got to look at your food, is it providing you the nutrients you need? If you look at food back in 1975, and food today, organic food versus I mean, even conventional food versus today versus 1975, the amount of nutrients in our food supply has been drastically reduced drastically. So you could be going to the store, you can be eating your vegetables, you can be doing all the right things, and still be nutrient deficient,
which and this simple answer a quite simple response rate. The reason for that is so many different reasons. Right? It's so it's just it's the foods
webinar on just that. Yeah, like it's, I can talk for three hours and why getting really great, locally grown organic food. And the thing is, it's not any of the nutrients that you're gonna, that you care about in the news. It's all these things that we don't even know they exist in such tiny my new quantities that make exponentially different results,
including the microbiome in the soil. Right, where the food is growing, right?
Yeah, yeah, just Yeah. You know, and that's it is your food feeding or killing your microbiome? You know, I mean, if we eat an apple sprayed with 49, pesticides, what do you think's happening to the microbiome, when you eat that apple? Or that chicken, or that beef that got an antibiotic because it you know, needed to whatever, like, or the milk, right? Like, that's all in there. So, whatever in your microbiome is what is sitting in your immune system to tolerate? You know, are we living in a safe world or are we living in a world where we are constantly bombarded with things we Don't know what this is. So you know, you can end up with sensitivities or intolerances to your food because you know not because gluten is bad for you. But because everything that comes along with it, the fact that it's modified, it's sprayed, it's this, it's that. And you know, and the gluten today isn't the gluten. You know, the wheat today is not the wheat that our forefathers grew. It's totally, it's a different animal. So we're not so we end up with chronic inflammation that increases that's that point. Stress are we react resting or reacting, it's one or the other. So, you know, this is where I talk about if you're going into fight, flight, or freeze, if you're in that fear, you're in the mode. I tell a story a lot about, you know, back in the day, when we were you know, nomads, and we were living in tents, or caves or whatever, you know, and you're walking through the woods, you know, we don't have steel toed boots, right. So you step on something, and it pokes through and you got, you know, some festering little infection in your toe, right. And there's some bugs that got in there from the soil. And, you know, you're you've washed it and you've cleaned it. And your body's fighting it off, and it's doing just great. But tomorrow, we're out walking in the woods, and a bear comes by, well, that immediately your body goes, Oh, I'm running from the bear. It shuts down your immune system, because who cares about the infection in your toe? When the eminent danger that you're in? Is this bears gonna get me and Mommy, I don't have to worry about the infection in my toe, because I might not be here tomorrow. Yeah, but we live in a world where everything is that bear. We watch the news. And there's the bear. We drive down the highway, there's the bear, we go to the grocery store, and you know, whatever. And there's the bear, you know, and we're constantly in this stress mode. And that's worse for our immune system than anything else. Because that's the kill switch to your immune system. It's gone. It's off.
Yes. And I think it's okay for people to understand that, right? Because I realize that this is happening all the time. And so, right, it's about making some choices in our lives in our daily basis, right? To get ourselves out of that all the time.
You know, I tell people, the biggest thing you can do right now in 2020, is not be stressed, not feel unsafe, not feel in fear, and whatever it is that you need to do for that, do it for you. And in take care of you. Yeah, because that's the only person you can control. So whatever that is, you know, it doesn't matter what I think it doesn't matter what makes me feel safe, it doesn't matter what keeps me not stressed, what matters for your immune system is what is going to make you be not in fight or flight because it's one or the other. People don't realize that your nervous system, it's not it's not a dimmer switch, you know, it's not a sliding scale, it's on or off. You're either in rest, react, you know, rest mode, where you're repairing and building and, you know, doing all the things to keep you strong, or your fight flight freeze. And your immune system is off. Yeah. And then there's all those cytokines right? Are they over reactive, under reactive? What are those signals actually promoting? Are they promoting repair, or they promoting inflammation, and then there's toxins every toxin you get, every time we have a chemical that our bodies are going to recognize it's going to trigger a reaction, that reaction triggers inflammation. The toxins can actually go in and block function, they can go in and mimic your own messengers and create chaos. So they themselves can trigger this reaction. Or they can go in and create that inflammation that causes loss of function that, you know, causes the damage. They might not directly be doing the damage, but they're triggering reactions that do it. So there's, you know, we really need to look at these things and say, What are our best choices? So there's simple things when, when I work with people in functional medicine, I say these this is kind of how you have to think of things. You have to maximize those things that are going to help What are we doing well keep doing those things, do more of them do better. What do you need more of you know, maybe you realize that I am buying vegetables but yeah, I'm not buying organic ones, you know, so maybe I need to, you know, funnel, you know, 10 2030 more bucks into the grocery budget so I can make good choices about my food. And what are those things that I could be doing better? You know, what can I upgrade? What upgrades Can I put in there, minimize what you're doing that is blocking it, maybe you are, you know, hyper reactive and you're stressed and you're not handling that well, and you need to figure that out. Maybe you can get rid of some of that box, processed stuff in your closet. And in your pantry, you know, what, what do you have that's not serving you? Is there a mindset that you need to get rid of? And are you making your health a priority? You know, are you taking it seriously? Have you decided that, you know, you really have more control over things in your life, then you thought, I mean, I'm hoping that after, you know, sitting and listening to us, ham, you know, jam on for however long that you realize there's a lot of things you can do to take back control that you don't need to sit around and wait for, you know, we're sitting in different countries, right. So there's, you know, we don't have to wait for our government to come up with a solution. There's a lot of things you can do individually right now, for you, for your household for your family, to make this a priority, and really change the trajectory that you're on. So you end up with a better outcome. And if you're not going to do it now, you know, at what point because as you have all those things slowly, you know, tipping that scale, not in your favor, you know, it's harder and harder. You know, that teeter totter, how many things are you going to pile on the bad side, all your health just gets worse, you know, the inflammation goes up, and up and up and up, and it takes, you know, you're not going to be able to take all those things off. You know, and a lot of times we do that we make that drastic change. And then we crash? Yes. Because there's so much, you know, your bodies are used to doing it one way. And that's where in health coaching, we're really poised to help people do things in the right order, so they don't crash and burn. So they do it sustainably and do it well.
Because people most of the time, go ahead.
If you try to do it so fast that it's putting you in that stress again, we just talked about how you know stress is the worst thing and turns off that immune system altogether. So if we're stressing about what we're going to eat worrying, Oh, am I doing this right? Or I'm doing that right? Or, Oh, I should have been better? Well, if you're putting that stress on yourself constantly, that's not helping
But food, but now you're now you're stressing so much. So you need to give yourself grace, you need to not be worried about perfectionism. And one step forward every day gets better and better just make better and better choices all the time. Right? doesn't have to happen overnight.
No. And when our bodies aren't doing things, well, you know, all those toxins were exposed to we store. And we store that in fat. Mm hmm. You know, and if if your main goal is to lose weight, well, that's great. But you know, part of your inflammation when you dropped your 50 pounds was the fact that you just released all those toxins you were storing into your body. Yeah, you know, and if you don't have a way to get them out, you know, and someone that can tell you, well, these are the things that help you through that process, you can end up sicker, and a lot of people start losing weight, they do some drastic change, and they start down that road because, you know, in our society, right, it's all about how we look on the outside. Right? I've met some really sick skinny people. You know, I've had them in my practice, and, you know, we're like, oh my gosh, she was so fit and so whatever. And she was so healthy. Why? Why is she so sick? Well, you know, there's damage going on. And sometimes people with a little bit of cushion are actually healthier than the people who are skinny where those toxins are no damaging organs. Yeah, instead of being stored in fat,
Well think of fat we think of a belly fat or wherever we hold our fat some some women hold it in their thighs and stuff, you know or wherever. But we also have fat around all of our vital organs our heart has bad our brain is fat. our lungs have fat around the muck because fat around all of our organs to protect it. It's there for a purpose. What if we're, if it's all those toxins are storing in there right next to those vital organs. That can't be good for us cannon,
right? Well, no. And this when I said when you have that fat loss, if it doesn't have anywhere to go, if you're not excreting it out of the body somehow. Then it goes and it damages those organs and you you know, and people feel like garbage and then they're like, I'd rather be fat than feel like this. Yeah, you know, so you really need to understand that the body is not a dump bucket. every symptom is telling you something. And when you learn what those symptoms are telling you about your health, then you can get down to the root cause of why, and then you can fix it. You know, so I like to tell people, it's that education and that understanding. And when you have the education, and you have the understanding, and you know what's going on, then you can make better choices. You know, and that's, that's what I really strive to do. And this is, this is a course that I'm going to be launching soon. It's not all together. But I want to let people know that if you really are interested in optimizing your immune system, you need to harness that power, your body is here to protect and serve you when you need it most. And if you are in a position, like Yvonne or anyone else, and you, you know all these things, but you want to be able to share it, you want to be able to teach it you want to learn for yourself. That's what we're going to go through all the stuff I talked about, we're going to learn to eat the right food for your body, because what's right for you and what's right for me can be totally different. Yes. You know, I mean, potatoes might be bad for you. But for the next guy, it's their lifeblood. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. And people within your family. And that's not often where people struggle, right. And that's what helped them with but, you know, because just because I can't eat potatoes doesn't mean my husband can't eat potatoes. Like, he loves potatoes, why would he not eat them? Right? Right. You know, and, and so it's, it's, it's Yeah, you know, what, it's a commitment. It's a commitment that our family has made, right to make sure that we all are eating, ultimately, for ourselves. And so sometimes we have to prepare a little extra stuff. Right, a different vegetable, usually our vegetables are the same, but I prepare different starch so raw, don't make me a sweet potato, and make potatoes for himself. or whatever, Suki Noir,
yeah, they kill right next to each other and be fine, right? They don't care.
When it comes to preparing gluten, we can compare that, you know, by by side, right, but most other things aren't really a problem, you can throw the sweet potato on one half of the baking sheet and the potatoes on the other ain't gonna make no difference. Right?
Um, but, um, but it's making sure that you both know what your body needs, right? And then and then helping each other to achieve
it, how do you figure that out? You know, there's, there's, there's multiple different things you can do to try and get to the root cause. And depending on, you know, time versus money versus effort, you know, everybody's going to land in a different place, you know, some people are just going to want to kind of do trial and error, or somebody is going to want to spend the money and get the test. And, you know, those are the kinds of things that I say, when I educate you. How do you get to the How do you know what's good for you, and what's not good for you? Yeah, you know, we can do a lot of trial and error, it can take a lot of time, but most people, I'm going into the fall going into cold and flu season, we want we want optimal immunity now. Not next week, we want it Heck, we wanted it six months ago, right? And be like, come on, you know, we need to sleep soundly. Melatonin plays a huge role in immunity. Huge, you know, and how does that work? So how does our sleep affect our immune system? And how do we get that good sleep? And what does it mean when we're not sleeping? Well, what's wrong? What do we need to fix? How do we handle what life throws at you? How do you get your immune system to not respond to that stress? How do we reframe that stress? How do we handle that stress? It's going to happen? Life happens, right? So how do we how do we handle that? How do we take the right supplements? I mean, I've got a laundry list of I mean, if I turned my camera, I've got shelves, right? We got oils, I've got shelves, I've got this, I've got that, you know, what do we use to boost our immune system? Are we taking the right ones? Are we taking too many? I mean, you can go out and spend hundreds of dollars. But you know, how do you optimally when do you take them? How much? How do you know all that stuff? There's there's lots of studies. Um, you know, everybody's pounding D now, but they thinking about the cofactors. Are they talking about a are we talking about k? Long Term vitamin D use can deplete magnesium. That's a whole nother host of problems. So are we taking things correctly? How do we know? Too much D is another problem.
Sometimes some vitamins and minerals we need in combination together.
We're going to go through that I'm going to talk you through all the supplements and what you should do to clean out the junk that's blocking your body. So what are those things that really, you know, we're not going to be able to do a full house overhaul and a full food overhaul and a full whatever, but what are those main things that are blocking your body from working properly, and it might be different for you than me. Everybody's got different tolerance levels for different things, you know, and having that energy and inner balance. I mean, if we're not if we're dragging through the day, you can rest assured your immune system is dragging So, but most importantly, if you don't understand why, right, if you don't understand why you're not going to do anything, you're just going to stay in that confused state and you're going to be stuck. And I don't want anyone stuck or confused. You know, I want you to become amazingly empowered and knowledgeable and and trace and embrace true wellness. I think everyone can get to that 1% you know, we might not make some popular choices, you know, we're not, you know?
Well, and I think this came up on our interview with my interview with Stacy tiggs, as well, and that is that, you know, we often think of people that have this ultimate health, that they're these hippie chicks, right, or that they only green smoothies all day long, and they never ever eat a, you know, piece of chocolate cake or, or a glass of coffee, you have to give up all the things you love. But that's but that's not what it's about. Right? It's about balance.
It's right here. I mean, you know,
it's understanding what that does, you know, so that we can make a proper, educated, empowered decision as to how much of that we're gonna allow into our lives.
But are we upgrading our coffee? Because coffee is one of the most heavily sprayed crops out there. And then you take that and you sip it all day long. There's my glass of pesticides. Mm hmm. Right? Are you getting organic? Fairtrade coffee? Are you grinding it yourself? You know, are you are you you know, because I upgraded my coffee a long time ago. I love my coffee. But I use it. There's a lot of good things in coffee. There's a lot of phytonutrients you know, it's been juice. I mean, it's not you know, there's a lot worse things out there. You know, I'm not starting my day with a mountain dew, right? You know, I'm getting nature's caffeine. You know, but upgrade your coffee. Right? I mean, if you're gonna drink coffee, upgrade it, you're worth it. Dang it, you know? Make the Folgers kick it to the curb? Who knows what the heck was ground? I don't know what I heard. I don't know if it's true. It's one of those things, right? But I heard that, you know, when they grind the coffee on the big conveyor belts and put them in the big grinders? Who the heck knows what else is ground up with the coffee. But you know, they were like, it's allowable to have X number of bugs in there when they grind your coffee. So I would rather know that what I'm grinding is just beans. Yes. And I'm having ain't juice not being in bug juice.
And I think too, I know. I'm not a big coffee drinker, but I know that there's a coffee. And it can also, um, beans, there can be a fungal that grows on coffee. So the closer you buy it to where it was roasted, generally speaking is better, right?
as the roasting process takes care of that for us. So the closer you can buy it to where it was ground, you know, the better for you. And then you're helping your local economy out. And there's so many amazing roasters that use beautiful organic beans, and you can have a lot of fun trying different things, right? Yeah.
Yeah. It's just, it's just one of those things. So I tell people, I'm like, just upgrade things one at a time. You know, I mean, what's it going to cost you a couple more bucks a cough. I mean, plus, you know, I'd rather drink one cup of really good coffee, then three cups of crappy coffee. You know, it's just one of the things that I decided years ago that I was going to upgrade, I was going to become a coffee snob, you know. So I make my own I grind it, you know, I do the whole thing, you know, and it's just one of those things. So, so yeah, it's, it's all on the choices we make and learning why we should do them. So I'm just going to leave you last with the slide. Here's the landing page. You can go there and put in your information and find out when it's happening. If you let me know that you came through this webinar, I'll give you Vaughn a nice code to share with all of our people. But there's my Facebook page is true wellness, Western New York, my web. Either one true wellness, Western New York calm or Joe cobra.com is getting built out right now. My email on my phone feel free to call me
awesome, and I'll put those links to in the in the show notes area so people can just click on them. And then you can you can get in on the waiting list for Joe's new program, the optimum immunity program and so that will be fantastic. I really appreciate you going to the work of this this. This is something that we is new. That's why Joe has you know, worked so hard at getting it ready because we just talked last week. week about this I said, you know, people need to learn more like do you have a program that can teach them more and and she went to all this work and it's going to be a fantastic promo can't wait to, to see everything that she includes in it. And I thank you so much, Joe, for doing this and for for being on the podcast. today. It's you have so much information that to share with us. And hopefully we'll have you back another day as well, because I know we could pick a topic and we could talk easily for an hour, multiple times. Right. So
yeah, we could.
Yeah, it's hard to know when to stop sharing, because you could just I mean, I could take any slide and make it into a program. Like it's just there's so much information. And it's someone described it yesterday is like the fire hose, right? You just can't possibly take it all in. So that's why as health coaches, we are really good at listening to our clients, and you know, taking it in feeding it to them if it's just a drop at a time. Or if they can handle a bigger stream, like however, whatever it needs, so that they're making steps forward and progress forward. So
yeah, for sure. All right. And just just to review to make sure, so one of the biggest things people can do right now is we want to mark, monitor our stress levels and find ways to stop that process, right, want to eat good food, lots of Whole Foods, lots of good fiber, so that we can filter those things and our body can take care of the toxins that we're exposed to, you know, all these kind of things make a big difference. And just start today by making small choices, and small changes in your life. And talk to your family too. I know, people, when they start making changes, quite often they overwhelm their spouse with them, right and talk to them and make sure they understand why you want to make these changes. And that you want to make, you know, health changes for all of you, right. And when you have their support, it makes it a lot easier. But when you just suddenly start changing all these things on them, then it makes it harder for them to really understand some pushback,
right? That it's harder. Yeah, this one of the things we talked about, you know, even when I sign up a client, I'm like, what's your support system look like? What's your you know, because that's part of your environment. I mean, it can just become another stressor, which isn't good. You know, so make it fun. Get everyone on board, decide where you want to start, you know, and maybe you start and they come along later.
And if they don't jump on board, you know, don't let that discourage you, right, to start making the changes that you need to do for you. And you might be surprised at how they will jump on board. And with time and giving them some time to adjust at all. I know my husband was not happy. When I came home five years ago and told my head to stop eating all sugar was not happy at all. You mean I can't even put brown sugar in my barbecue sauce or my spice rub. I'm like, No, you can't do any of it. Yeah, he was not happy. But within a you know, a few months and six months later, I mean, he had lost 50 pounds as well. And then it was pretty hard to deny the fact that you know, he needed to make changes to right. Yeah. And I got them the most the neatest compliment yesterday, I was talking to a friend and and we had accidentally run into her husband in a store in our community. And when he realized who I was, he had started talking to me about his mom's his wife some situation and her health issue. Anyway, he had said, you wouldn't believe their skin honey. That's this comment was about my husband and I write
a lot of everything else.
I had to laugh I thought that was pretty funny. But but it is, right. It's, it's Yeah, you say that healthy glow, and you start to really see it, it starts to show up in all aspects of your life or your hair, your skin, you're added to your posture. It all will change when you start making changes. So
yeah, yeah, there's a lot I I don't see clients face to face a lot, especially now I do most of my work virtually. But you can tell I mean, there's things that you can see just looking at people there's, you know, there's whole Eastern medicine does a lot of that, you know, iridology and face reading and, you know, body composition and you know, look at your tongue. Like there's a lot of clues just looking at people miss what's going on inside. So a lot of times I can pinpoint things just because I know from looking at them like oh, we want to work on your thyroid. Well, why do you say that?
I can just tell. Yeah, yeah, you
know, um, well, yeah, an ideal world. I talk about this all the time, you know, an ideal world. We would have our boss and we're driving our boss and we would have our medical doctor who talks to our functional medicine doctor, you know, and our physiotherapist. And maybe maybe, you know, if you need a some, you know, emotional support, maybe have somebody there that's helping you with that or massage therapist, or there's all kinds of these amazing people that have these amazing guests that can help us with different aspects of our health, right. And we really do need them all right, I do eyes. And we might need more of one person right now and unless of the other, right in order to balance things off for ourselves. But when we find our immune system is balanced, and we get those emotional part of the puzzle, we start to fill that in, and we start to appreciate and understand how our emotions play a part in our immunity and our health in general, then we can be in control, and we can be that bus driver, and we can control where we take it.
Right? Well, those emotions, you know, coming from my background in biochemistry, every emotion is a chemical. Like, you know, there's a there's a chemistry when you feel XYZ, it's because your body is releasing something. That's I mean, triggering the tears triggering the feeling, you know, doing whatever it is making you take that deep breath or that sigh or whatever. It's all it's all controlled with chemicals. Right? So the emotions have a huge effect on your health. And I needed to learn that I mean, my skin needed to guide me. That was one of the things so but it's all connected. You know, you can't do just one thing or the other.
Yeah, exactly. Right. And if that's the thing is we start to understand that there's a connection, and then we can just work on the whole, the whole system, right. And that is what functional medicine does and helps us work on the whole system at the same time. So yeah, awesome. All right. Thanks for joining me, I really appreciate it. And like I said, we'll put up Joe's links in the in the show notes for you so that you can just click on it and know how to get hold of her if you want to. Thanks again, Jo.
Yep. Thank you.