Ep.61 Over and Under, Comfort Awaits (Melissa - Sewing)
7:06PM Dec 21, 2019
Good day everyone you're listening to type your hobby. And this is Episode 61. over and under comfort awaits. I'm your host Alex and today I have the honor to have Melissa as my guest in the show how you doing today?
I'm doing pretty well. How are you?
Good, good. She has the biggest smile on right now. So
I'm excited. I love your podcast.
Yes. People who are loving my podcast and she listened to one about knitting and I got her inspired to talk about her topic of today, which I won't mention yet. But we're gonna get into that but before we do that, who is Melissa?
So Melissa is a 29 year old auto in it auto is my adopted city I I'm from Pickering originally, so the Toronto area, I'm an editor and a translator with Transport Canada and also the dictionary of Canadian biography. Yeah, in my spare time I have quite a few hobbies that involve crafts I've I like to describe myself as an inveterate crafter. So
you'll hear about that. Exactly. So today we're gonna be talking one of your favorite crafts is considered a crowd. Yes. Yeah. You know what it is a craft. crafting. Yeah, exactly. So, yes, today we're gonna be talking about sewing. Yes. So I'm just gonna jump into it. How did you get introduced to sewing?
Um, well the short answer is my mom. So my mom she started sewing I think, you know ever since she was a teenager and my my grandmother, my Nana, colon and Italian. She sewed as well and she she net as well. And so I learned to sew by hand, probably when I was four or five, but the sewing machine was a game changer. So that's really when the sort of the, you know, my, my passion for sewing started. And like most fun things that started with me misbehave. I was nine. So my mom did so she, when she had my, when she had me and my brother, she stayed at home with us. And to make money on the side she would sew things for, for people, normally acquaintances and, you know, people who, you know, friends of friends and so she had her, you know, her, her sewing room in the basement. She had her sewing machines and her, you know her her notions and her little library of patterns and Sometimes I would sit on the top of the stairs and kind of spy on my mom when she was talking to one of her clients and talking about, you know, the dress that they wanted or fitting and, and so I grew up with it. And one day I should mention, you know, I knew that this was her, you know that this was serious business that, you know, she did this professionally. So, I was not to touch any of the machines or I was not to play with, you know, they were not toys. And I was, for the most part pretty obedient until. So when I was round nine, I think I was curious and I was looking at her sewing machine. It was a really nice singer from the 1980s I think might even be older, but she had that machine for years. But anyway, and I was playing with the foot which is basically the clamp underneath the needle. I didn't touch it that, like I touched it really lightly and then it fell off. And nine year old Melissa is freaking out, like the terror. And and, you know, I didn't know at the time that it's supposed to on some machines there's the the foot is connected by a screw but this one it kind of clicked in to a little hook. So I thought that I had broken my mom's sewing machine, I thought that her sewing career was over, thanks to my treacherous ways and, and there was no way to fix it. I was trying to put it back on and you know, so I just left it naively thinking that she wouldn't notice and she did. And I think she knew that I was scared. But that's what I remember. You know, getting into to sewing on a machine and learning how to make things So, yeah, and I've been sewing ever since.
So after you, quote unquote, broke your mother's machine, yeah. Was it at that point that your mother said, Oh, my goodness, Melissa might be interested in this. I'm gonna teacher.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, from as early as I can remember, I was always into crafts and I, I was, you know, I enjoyed sewing by hand and I think yeah, I think she could tell I was interested. And maybe she wanted to pass on the craft to I don't know, I should ask her really what her side of that story but yeah, so she that's how she taught me and yeah, so she would teach me how to use the machine and you know, eventually how to cut patterns and basically all of her her her tricks and her you know how she would make things?
No, this might be a hard question to ask, but have you taught her anything now? So it's like the teacher now or the student now became the master. Have you told your mother any Though Oh, all the new techniques, the millennial stuff. Oh,
that's a good question. Not that I can think of she's still like I am for a few recent projects, which I'll talk about a little later. Sometimes I call her a texter and she gives me some advice and But yeah, I don't I don't know if I if there's anything I could teach her. She was she's amazing as a seamstress and I was, I'm really lucky to grown up around that and but I was very fortunate for her to teach me And so yeah, she's, she's a boss. So when it comes to sewing, so I I humbly admit that I don't think I could ever teach her anything,
but I'll think of something. Have you guys ever worked on a project together?
Yeah. So quite a few things over the years. Normally my back to school outfit, we would do together. My dress that I will It's my confirmation. We made together some costumes, although she made a lot of them when I was little even before I started sewing. Barney is one of my favorites. That's Snow White was another good one. Oh, actually, there's one thing. One thing that was really cool. When I was in junior kindergarten, my class made a quilt to send to Bosnia. At the time, that was the time of the Bosnian War. So each of us had a little square that we drew on and my mom sewed all the squares from the kids in my class together. And we made the Pickering news advertiser. And there's a photo of us. Yeah, it was May 8 1994. There's a picture of her with me and my junior kindergarten class and a little description and yeah, it was a really beautiful quilt and I You know, that's one thing that was special and we kind of we made it together. But really she did all the sewing at that point, like I was I was four at the time. So I drew my square and I watched her do the rest and work her magic,
actually speaking about going back in time. Yeah, you still own the first thing you created?
Yeah, yeah. I can't remember what the very first thing was, but I started with making clothes for my Barbies and Beanie Babies. I was I was totally into Thai Beanie Babies. So I would make clothes and I'd start without a pattern and I'd kind of you know, all you know, if I wrap this scrap of denim from my mom's project that was in the trash bin, not that the trash but the scrap fabric been. If I kind of wrap it around, pounce, the cats lay eggs and I kind of do this and so this here, all its pants and then eventually I got You know my mom showed me know if you cut it this way this soul You know that's how you get the pant leg and yeah i i made other things. I made a pair of overalls for Derby the horse I made a few dresses for my beanie babies and Barbies and eventually she bought me a McCall's pattern for Beanie Baby clothes and and a butterick one for Barbie clothes. So that's pretty cool.
I think that's the first thing that I would have made for half a second I don't know why but through my mind I was thinking Melissa would go around in her house with scissors and cut fabric from like her parents or brother and then use it in like a weird square
and they're like pants so I didn't misbehave that I wasn't but you know, I mean like Gone with the Wind Scarlett O'Hara with the curtains and or, you know Sound of Music Maria doesn't know where she's going to get this fabric for. You know the Von Trapp children and The camera pans to the curtains a minute. Yeah. So I mean, it's not a good work. Thankfully, I never, I never caused that much trouble. So I didn't need
to resort to that. No, no speaking about all these projects, where do you tend to go to create these projects? In other words, what do you get your like ideas like, Oh, I want to create this or Oh, I want to create that
inspiration kind of comes from everywhere. I browse patterns online and or when I go to fabric land, and sometimes I see a pattern that's really great. And I really want to make it or sometimes I'll see, you know, when I'm shopping something like a really pretty dress and I thought, you know, I kind of have a pattern like that and I can modify it a little bit or a big one is gifts. One of the most recent things I made was a bathrobe for my boyfriend. Wow. I yeah, it was it was a fun project. It's even monogram to I was really I was inspired when he lives in a really nice apartment here in Ottawa but it's it's an old apartment and the ceilings are high and it could get you know a little chilly especially in that period in Ottawa where you know you think winters done and spring is not quite here but you know that in between where you can't turn the heat on and so place ends up being cold and he said, Hi, I should get myself a you know, a bathrobe or like a lounge robe. And I remember that and I was thinking, Okay, this year, what am I going to get? What am I going to get him for his birthday? And I was having lunch one Sunday and it just popped into my head and so I rushed off to fabric clan and I got a pattern and the really nice fabric for it and yeah, sometimes said of necessity or just doing something for someone else. So
yeah, actually speaking of which, do you prefer doing things out of necessity or just like, I wouldn't say non necessity but like more creative like, Oh, this is Yeah, exactly artistic,
it's hard to separate the two, it's hard to even something very practical, in when you're sewing sewing itself is it is a craft. And so I don't know it's hard to separate the two. I think it starts out of practicality, it's something that I need or I want, and then you get creative, like, oh, for instance, I could add piping to this pillow and it would really make it look unique or, you know, maybe I could, I think maybe flounce or ruffles on this skirt would complement the print that's really calming and flowy you know, everything I make, I kind of put a little bit of myself into it. It's it's a reflection of me too. some extent So yeah, I guess every piece is, you know, a mix of practical me artistic,
no like that. Like, there's no like one that dominates the other you're perfectly comfortable in both. I wouldn't say domain but like both areas like you know, today I feel creative today. I feel practical today. I feel creative and practical.
Yeah, yeah. But that said maybe I can make like there's I've never made a quilt before. And that's something that in the future I might like to do. There's some beautiful ones that that I've seen. I you know, in my days is I used to work as a historical interpreter. And some of the quotes that that we had in some of the buildings or even modern ones for anyone in Toronto at York Mills station, there's a beautiful quilt that depicts the hogs hollow disaster. Basically, there were a few workers who died in an explosion in the early 60s, I think, and it's just It's very moving and very beautiful. And it it's a memorial to those who died and you know, some of the sadder chapters in the city's history. So, yeah, if you ever pass through that TCC station, I highly recommend checking that out
on the know Do you ever do emotional sewing in that sense? Like if you have a hard time you saw something that represents your hard time or if you have a happy time you saw a smiley face? He said something happy? Oh,
it's a tough question.
Well, I something came to my mind immediately but it's it's technically it's knitting but I have got to tell this story because it
by all means, go ahead.
It's as if so my, my grandmother on my dad's side passed away. Actually, two years ago today, and she had had outsiders for several years and as a gift to her and as Something I wanted to make something for her that would comfort her. She, I don't think she did a lot of knitting but she did so and you know, something handmade, I think is you know that that's a perfect gift for from my granddaughter to a grandmother and, and when you make something, again, putting yourself into it, it's a conscious decision to make the thing that project. And it's just all the choices about color and style and utility and that that's how you put yourself into it. And for her, I wanted to make her a beautiful blanket. I chose a really soft yarn, that for tactile and it was a really beautiful blue and I I saw a pattern. It's for any knitters out there. It's the elegantly simple baby blanket. It's basically a wave pattern, fan and feather kind of but it looks so wave and kind of looks like a shell as well. It's just beautiful Lacy basically it's got ripple and a few holes in that the pattern. It's beautiful. And so I thought, yeah, like this, I'm sure no no would love this, you know, I hope that it comforts her and in this time, I kind of thought, you know, the pattern and the color might represent the see. It said that the the ocean has has no memory. And it kind of for some reason that resonated you know, she was at that point she had lost most of her her memories and but it was difficult for me and my whole family. Yeah, so I wanted to make this, this blanket for her. And it turned out that she passed away before I finished it. And I felt terrible and guilty. And I felt as though I had failed. And I thought, you know, what do I do with this blanket? Now do I I leave it with her in her casket or do I keep it for myself to remember her? Or do I give it to someone else? It doesn't seem like a difficult decision. But in those few days between, you know, her death in the funeral, it's I just felt overwhelmed by that decision. And I it was so important to me because I had put, I had put so much of myself into this and I, I was attached to this project. So it was the night of her one of one of the visitations and I was overwhelmed by this dilemma. And it was at the end, and I was alone with her in the room. It was the evening and the sun was just going down and I was kneeling before her and literally praying like oh my like what am I supposed to do? Hi. So I I was praying and I was asking God to to help me through this and then something incredible happened I looked up and the lid of the casket was lined with satin. And it was in it was pleated in a in a semi circle pattern. It was really nicely designed and the the light from the sunset was shining through the window and it was shining through the funeral home had these really pretty lamps with a cutout pattern and the light was shining through the lampshades that the cutouts and the light was shining on the the lid of the casket and with the semicircle and the pleats and those you know those those specks of light, it looked like the pattern, the elegantly simple that the fan and feather. It's I know it sounds strange, but it looked exactly like The, you know, the wave that kind of shell pattern. And I like to think it says if that was her way of telling me that she she wanted to keep that, that blanket and that it was okay that I hadn't finished it and I started bawling but I in a way I felt at peace and so I knew that I had to, I had to leave it with her. So the next day I I finished it I was binding off, which means taking the stitches off and finishing it in the car to the funeral and
I tucked her in. So yeah, I know that's a long story, but that's a personal story and I wasn't sure if I should share it. But that's, I think one of the best examples I could give of knitting your emotions. Everything was woven into that blanket my my love for my my grandparents and my new My my worry for, you know, her health, the loss of her memories, the stress that my parents were going through my decision to give it to her and my my regret that I couldn't have given it to her sooner. So yeah,
I would like to just start off by saying My condolences. The off of that story is so if your grandmother was anybody like yourself issue must have been an amazing person, a creative person and also very gentle, kind hearted person. And that was a very good story. And it makes this so much more interesting because you can see the passion behind why you do this. It's not just for yourself, it's for a family. And I have to say, that's a pretty cool coincidence like coincidence with the light shine.
It was the I wish it's hard for me to explain it but it just the pattern, the way like the Lacy pattern and the way that the holes are in that and the little wave it. It just somehow it lined up almost perfectly and I never ceases to amaze me.
It's gonna be like one of those memories that's never gonna
never forget. I will never forget that. It's etched indelibly onto my mind. So
at least know the thing you created is now with your grandmother. So yeah, it's something that you shared any love, and I'm sure she's very happy wherever she is. Yeah. No, it's really hard for me to do a segue from
go back to sewing and
it was definitely needed. I'm very thankful you shared it. I don't have to, but you did. And I'm very thankful. And I'm sure the people listening are very appreciative as well. But let's say hopefully, this is a good segue. Yes, of course, on a personal level, what would you say is the best thing about sewing hopefully, that's a good thing. Yeah.
Basically being able to create something original, and it's empowering because you can Control. You have full control over the creative process and you can make something that fits you perfectly if you're making clothes or something that fulfills a certain need. gifts for instance, whether it be a, you know, a bathrobe or a friend of mine who also sews she made me a beautiful makeup bag and a pillowcase. So yeah, projects that turn into gifts. That's that's one thing that's great about sewing on a personal level. Yeah, sometimes just the sense of them. When you're amazed when something turns out better than you had expected, or better than you had envisioned. That's a great feeling to and it kind of it makes you feel more confident. Of course, it can go in the totally the opposite direction. It can be a total disaster. I've been there. It's okay. It happens. So yeah, those are those are few things on a personal level. Yeah.
Well at least you get to learn from your mistakes. It's a mistake. It's a beautiful lesson.
Yes. Yeah. And you I've learned a lot you really do learn you know what, there are some mistakes you only make once. One time I made a really nice I had really nice royal blue quarter I and I made a nice skirt out of it. The only problem was I cut one piece one way like with so when you pat corduroy, it's I cut one piece in one direction and one piece in the other direction. So it looks from far away. It looks like two different colors or two different shades. That's one thing with corduroy or velvet because the fibers all the fabric runs in a certain way. So yeah, but that was a weird looking skirt. I wore it anyway. But
you know it turns out Melissa it is your creation you were proud. It's like when you cook something not you per se but like when you cook something it doesn't taste good. You pretend to taste good in front of the people like, this is my crazy horrible, but you know I made it. Yeah.
Yeah. You know, it's basically like that. Yeah, you just got to be confident and either pretend that that's exactly what you want it to do or admit defeat and be happy anyway.
There you go. I like I like that optimism of you. That's always been a good quality from you.
Oh, thank you. It's I owe it to sewing. And actually that's another thing. I was sewing. You know, part of sewing is some people specialize in alterations and I kind of grew up knowing how something could be fixed if I tore a pair of jeans or if a stitching came on, done it. It teaches you how to fix things. It teaches you Yeah, how to to mend something broken. That could be philosophical. But yeah, that's another thing on a personal level. So I was always an install when I so I think whenever I run into a problem, I think, okay, there's a way to fix it. I just have to find it and I just have to be patient, maybe browse a few sewing blogs or call my mom.
Well, actually On that note, so Melissa and I used to work together when we lived in France with a bunch of other people. And I really had bad bags and one of my bags just ripped in our mutual friend Lauren. Yeah, so did back together with to floss
real. I didn't know about this. Yeah,
I'll show it to you after it's still in my closet. It's still holding strong and this is how many years ago this is at least five years ago. Yeah.
Five. Oh, wow. There's so many things that I learned years later. Our time in, in France on hand my job
Lauren, shout out to Lauren and yes, five years later I am still bald. Now for you would you say you prefer sewing by hand just going hand or by machine.
Both. You do. Any given project usually has a bit of both. I do a little embroidery. So That's by hand or you can do it with machines too. Yeah, I find sewing by hand is a little more relaxing. But when you're making something I like, I like the speed and the power of a machine, and just the the quality and the durability that you get. But there's some for hems, for instance, a lot of those I like to do by hand because that's how you can get invisible seems, or there's a lot of fancy stitches that you can do to and also, I sometimes I, one of the things I do is historical costumes kind of from my life, lifelong love of history and museums and that and the sewing machine only came into existence in the early 1800s. So anything before that was basically done by hand. So yeah, I've learned a few historical stitches too. So I like I like both depends on what project you're You're working on some call for lots of hand stitching and little machine some vice versa.
Speaking about machine, what is your current machine you're using and what are some key features that you'd like about it?
Ah, um, so I have three machines. Wow.
I, so the one I use most is the, so it's a brother Vx 1140 and that was the one I got for my 11th birthday. So I was no longer I graduated from my mom's 1980s ish singer sewing machine. And she bought my parents bought me my own sewing machine for my 11th birthday and I've had it ever since. It doesn't have a lot of fancy features but it's it's a made a lot of great things on that sewing machine and I you know, I'll always I'll keep it as long as I can because it's it's the machine I learned a lot on and I grew up with So there's that. And I also have a serger. So a serger is a machine that you use or for overlock. So, if you're sewing something, you have your seam, but they're still afraid edge or at an edge that can be susceptible to to frame. So in order to secure it, you want to have a stitch that wraps the thread around it, and that's basically what a surgery does. And my surgery is, boy blanked out. It's a it's a my lock Two, three. And my aunt gave it to me, she had it for a few years and she she wasn't using it as much and so she was really thoughtful and she, she asked me if I wanted it and I said yes. And recently my, my parents brought it up to Ottawa for me. So I've been doing a lot of searching and my third machine Is my grandmother on my mom's side so my different my other known that she had that machine? She probably bought it in the 80s or it's not super super old but it's now she also passed away seven years ago. So it's been at in my parents basement for actually no it's at it was at my my Nanos house and then he he recently moved and so it was in my mom's sewing room for a little while and then she gave it to me. It's I don't have it in Ottawa yet, but it's in my room and Pickering and yeah, it's it hasn't been used for many years. So I've got an oil it and make sure everything's working. But that's a singer, a singer to five to five oh, to see. Okay, so
for some reason, I can't You have the three machines setup. Exactly all multitasking. It actually leads me to this following question because he seemed like they all have different features that you like. And in today where the 21st century, is there any feature that you would like a sewing machine to have that doesn't this they don't necessarily have right now.
all there's nowadays there's sewing machines with like, basically a whole computer in them. Really high tech ones that can do really, really amazing embroidery. A feature that is not currently in a sewing machine. That's Yeah, oh, maybe if I don't know if this exists, it probably doesn't. But who knows, maybe I should google it later. But one that so when you make a mistake, you take a stitch picker, and you have to pick it out by hand and depending on the fabric, you've got to be really careful and do it, you know, one or one one by one because you don't want to snag the fabric. And there was sewing machine that could pick stitches out. You just press the foot pedal and it takes it all out. That would be amazing. I don't know how that would work, especially on a lot of delicate fabrics. But that would take a lot of you know, that would save a lot of time and frustration. So there's that. But yeah, there's some sewing machines that do amazing stuff. It kind of I'm tempted to, you know, abandon my, my faithful brother, Vx 1140. And, but I can't, I can't, maybe I could just have both. Maybe I could, I know duct tape my smartphone to it and make it look, make it seem kind of high tech, and just have either
Siri or Google Talk.
Bars Google's sewing machine.
Actually, so talking about like the modern times and the older times, how is an old world craft like so it's still relevant in our 21st century world.
Oh, yeah, like I, obviously it's sewing the craft isn't what it used to be. It used to be in most households, like in my grandparents generation most, or I don't know most, but many it was something common that you'd see in a household. Even if someone didn't undertake many sewing projects. It's something that a lot of people would have for alterations and most people knew how and definitely by hand, and today, you'd be surprised how many people don't know how to sew on a button or just do simple things like that. They're really useful and practical, and can get you out of a sticky situation when I don't know you're going somewhere important and a seam comes on done or something like that. So there's always going to be, it's always going to be relevant for fixes on on clothing. And also there's always going to be niche markets for costumes is a big one. There's a lot of patterns. A lot of pattern companies that make a lot of cool costumes, bespoke tailoring. And also I think it's relevant to the 21st century because, you know, a growing concern is the environmental impact of fashion fast fashion. Yes, it it makes clothing more affordable. And you know, there's there's more choice for the consumer, and those are good things, but it's, we pay a price. I think I read in North America every year, there's 10 million tons of textile waste that ends up in landfill and most of it is recyclable. It has a huge impact on the environment. And if we learned how to to fix clothes that we already have, instead of throwing throwing them away, or, you know, you can make something yourself. It kind of those are maybe starting points for for for a solution. So yeah, it's it's It's relevant and there are, you know, even here in Ontario, but around the world, there are companies that are addressing that issue and I know some people who learn to So because of that, yeah, it's definitely a problem that it's not going to go away easily. It's it's a very complicated issue. You know, it's it's a whole industry that's changing it, you know, the idea of fast fashion versus slow fashion, which slow fashion is emerging. Basically, the idea is, you know, something is very well made, custom made, and you keep it for a long time and you can repair it going back to the artistic there are always artists who will have the need for a sewing machine. So, yeah, it hasn't lost its relevance. You know, this is nothing new. It's always it's changed. In
this day and age, it should probably be a necessity to learn how to do this as much as like learning how to change a tire or What else are necessities at one Alex think you're human. Oh do you need to do brush your cook Thank you cooking that's like a basic thing. So yes sewing changing a tire cooking or basic things because as far as i know i don't think the world's going to become nudist anytime soon. Clothes are going to be pretty relevant yeah a long time coming so yeah, the clothes last is probably a good thing and you get save money and save the environment which is a great thing.
Yeah, yeah. And yeah, I also read something about how there was a surgeon in a in a medical school who said he could notice from a few generations differences in dexterity hand dexterity because people you know, we think of women sewing but men would goes back centuries, surgeons, sailors, you know, everyone knew how to sew even the most basic tasks. And, yeah, these days he was saying you know, because There's a lot of people who can't so at all he could kind of see in medical students surgery, he could kind of tell the difference. So that was interesting. So I mean anyone getting anyone thinking of going into the medical profession? sewing might be a good pastime?
Yeah, yeah. Well speaking of which, I've like I remember seeing a video a while back of a robot sewing back together the skin of a grape.
Oh yeah, it was like a robot doing it or I think it was a doctor or somebody controlling you but you it was a video online of a robot peeling the grade cutting it with a not an exacto knife was it called
a scalpel? Yes.
The sharp blade but it cut it open and then it's sewn back the skin of the grape wow so if the robots are doing that humans yet to catch up come on. Robots are so great. together Come on. Our fingers are good we could use them. So when it comes to inspirations us talked about your grandmother, your mother Do you Have any other inspirations was say a celebrity who does it or somebody else in your family a friend a cartoon character that does little sewing anybody anything?
My biggest inspiration is history. Yeah, like I I used to work at several historic sites. I wore everything from an 1860s Kremlin to a made in lorry house National Historic Site here in Ottawa, which is an amazing place to visit. Yeah. And for every year they have a 1940s Kitchen party. And one year I made a 1940's dress out of a retro pattern from Vogue. It was the original pattern that was reproduced. And I see those things in the retro vintage section of the patterns and I get so inspired and you know, the fashion of the 40s and the 50s. Yeah, so I made my dress for that party. kind of left it to the last, but it won't work. out and soon as that but also it even in high school I and even still I I'm terrified of public speaking and it's something that as a tour guide, you know,
yeah, I worked as a
tour guide and I that anxiety and the stage fright kind of got flicked off when I really got into the subject and history and talking about something I was really passionate about. But I still did have stage fright sometimes and it was nice to be wearing a costume where you know, if I kind of blanked out or if I got a little nervous I, I would start talking about my costume because a lot of people that's the first thing that sometimes people I when I worked at Black Creek for Black Creek Pioneer Village, in Toronto and other amazing site that you should visit, sometimes I'd be talking and and people I could tell they, I don't know if they were paying attention to me talking about the building, but they We're totally interested in my dress and so I talked about criminal in and my skirt that that's the hoop skirt so that big. So yeah, it definitely gave me confidence in high school to I I was nervous when I was doing presentations in history class but when I was up in front of you know my grade 11 history class dressed as Cleopatra, that was one costume I made was awesome. I even paper mache shade like a headpiece just great. And I totally it made me feel like oh, Melissa, you've got this like, Don't worry, or I once dressed as Lord Byron and I made one of those like poetic frilly shirts. What else?
I think the better question is What have you not made?
Oh, I want to make I haven't made a quilt really other than drawing on one square that my mom so together back in 1994. I've made a few cracks. So, plush animals I've never really made a teddy bear which would be fun I've made there's a pattern My mom used all the time and I used it a couple of times to make bunnies or dolls. What else do I want to so there's there's a lot costumes I've never made a 1950s dress Yeah, I have a few Yeah, I have a few patterns but they're they're waiting for me to open them and start creating but yeah, that's another fun thing. You keep discovering things that inspire you and you can't wait to go home and and make them or go to the craft store and buy the fabric and
I feel like sometimes like you come prepared when you go to the store, you're like, Okay, I want this this this and some other times you going like, I don't know what I want. Okay, I want that.
dangerous. That's a recipe for it happens though I'm on I'm on a few Facebook groups for for sewing and and there's so many jokes about people. You know, having their their Hall of patterns that go on sale or I was only going to fabric land or Joanne's in the States or if there's other you know, Michaels or any other craft store and I was just going to buy this one pattern and the fabric for it but then I wander to the clearance section and the clearance been to you find a lot of stuff. And sometimes it's guilt free cuz it's stuff you know, you'll use sooner or later. You never know what's going to happen. I think I have reasonable self control. I've never gone absolutely crazy, but
you know, I feel your pain. If people who seen pictures of my studio I have this giant yellow foam ball. Yeah. We're just looking at it and covering around the mic. It's to isolate the sound. And I didn't have this before and I think I mean this
Yeah, you convinced yourself to
carve it out. Yeah, it's a necessity. So yeah, that's like basically I understand where you're coming from. And when it comes to sewing, what has it human life.
Yeah, the value of craftsmanship seems to be disappearing today. The Yeah, as I said, a little earlier that the fact that things can be fixed, it's almost like a puzzle sometimes. And just it's also taught me, you know, perseverance, even though the sipar is annoying, and it makes me want to just throw this whole project of the window. I can get through this and, and also, I'm always amazed when I give gifts to people, things that I made, and yeah, I'm always amazed at how grateful they are. And it makes me nothing warms my heart more than when someone loves something that that I made, especially when, you know, it was a challenge and there were a few problems with it. So there's, there's that and oh and pictures and thank you notes. My I've gotten a few pictures of my boyfriend in his robe. He loves And I'm floored how much he liked it and I makes me so happy and he sent me a few pictures of him on his couch being all comfy at home with it already.
13 pictures. Yeah.
Well, he was holding a glass of whiskey. So maybe that's like PG
consumption? I don't know. Yeah, just things that sewing has taught me about life, the legacy of something handmade. It's, it's so powerful, and that you have to put yourself into everything that you do. It's a bit of everything. Yeah, I grew up with it. And so it's hard for me to kind of pick out things that it's taught me but it's taught me a lot. Everything from patients to how to complete a 1940s dress in one night because you left it to the last minute and And also it's taught me not to leave things to the last minute. I have to repeat that lesson over and over again. So,
once again, I'm in the same boat as, like leaving things to the last minute. Editing happens. Yeah, yeah. It's called being an adult.
No, this one might hurt. Okay. Really bad pun. But have you ever hurt yourself?
Have you ever hurt yourself or sewing?
A luckily No,
although I've heard of some I've heard horror stories. So if you're that sometimes the needle can break and the little tip of the needle can go into your eye. God. Yeah. That's why sometimes when you take formal sewing lessons, they give you glasses goggles to wear just in case. Normally the needle breaks either when you're trying to sew over a pin which I guess a lot of seamstress do it once in a while. I kind of I'm guilty of it, but you really shouldn't because if it goes right into the pin. That's a surefire way to break your needle. Also, if you're sewing, if you're using a very fine needle on thick fabric, that's another way to that that can happen. Also, you have to be careful too. One habit that I really recommend is, whenever you're adjusting the needle or you're touching the fabric close to the needle, you should always have your foot off of the pedal. It's a good habit to have because you could be fixing something and then I don't know your dog comes in or someone comes into the room and you get distracted and you accidentally put your foot on the pedal and the needle goes down and your fingers are there. And you know, you don't want that to happen. So luckily, that's never happened to me. I think I've picked myself a couple of times, and maybe actually, one of my mom's sewing tables. There was a chair tucked in. I used to sit at the corner with the machine, and there was a chair In on the, to my right side, and I'd be still for a while kind of reading the pattern or cutting a piece. And then I'd suddenly move to it just my, my position to, to start sewing and to put my foot on the pedal. And sometimes, I don't know whether I just got excited or whether I'm naturally clumsy, but I kicked the chair leg, or like the leg of the table while my foot was on the way to the pedal. So I kind of stubbed my toe a couple of times, but if that counts as an injury, you know,
whatever was not supposed to happen, I guess that counts as an injury. Yeah. How often do you tend to so
Oh, um, so the thing with me with sewing is I go long periods without sewing and then I get a burst of inspiration and all of a sudden I have three projects on the go. And yeah, I'd say for the past couple of months, I've seen I'd say maybe three or four times a week or Saturday afternoon, it really depends on the week and, and also sewing, at least with the machine is something that you can't really bring with you so and then when I'm done a project I feel kind of tired or so I kind of take a break from sewing for a while. So yeah, it's hard to say depends on I kind of it goes in spurts. When I was in university, I didn't do a lot of sewing I kind of during the summer holidays, I had a few patterns that I cut out and there's a polar bear flannel pajamas that have yet to be sewn. The pieces are all cut out. But they've been that way for probably 10 years now. So yeah, it's it's something that I can go months or sometimes a year without doing much of it, other than the alteration but then when I get back into I really sometimes I'm glued to my sewing machine for a whole day. Because I'm really inspired by a project and I want to, I'm excited about it and it's the passion. So yeah, it can really vary basically.
And during all these passionate moments that you do throughout the year, have there been times where it just frustrated you? I know you talked about the zipper. And you just like you know what, screw this. I'm going to go for a walk or like what is your process when you're getting stressed about a project you're currently working on? Do you step away are you like me very hard headed and try to power through it.
I try to power through it. I try to fix I try to fix it right away. I don't know when I'm trying to get the hem straight and I can't or sometimes the facing of a dress or a skirt or something that's a little bit fiddly and it's it's hard to get your needle in there. Or sometimes when it comes to sewing on buttons and making buttons, buttonholes and like, I don't want to do this. So in that case, I take a break and then I come back. Yeah, I usually I'd say I usually try to get through it and I try to, you know, I'm determined to fix it as soon as possible because if I know that if I walk away for too long, it'll just sit there for a lot longer than I'd like. So,
actually, I'm not an expert in sewing and I know some of my listeners aren't an expert either, but I'm sure some of them do try it out. And I feel like the first frustrating thing for them with the try to get the thread through the needle don't have any tricks for that.
Yeah, you can use a threader it's basically it's a little wire that it's easy to get through the hole and then it provides you with a bigger hole to put the thread in and then you pull it and it pulls it through the the the eye of the needle. Make sure that your thread is you have a really good pair of scissors and you make a really clean cut. The thread that makes a difference because if the thread is frayed at the end kind of, it's going to be a lot harder. Sometimes, you know, you can kind of look the thread and it makes it kind of slick. I've tried that so much ago so
just that you know, it just drops down and
it's it takes practice, even someone who's been sewing for years and years, some days you get it first try and it's like second nature other days. It's like, ah, what's going on? It's like, you know, my third time and it's a little finicky, but yeah, I guess those tips Yeah, clean cut edge. And, you know, start with a bigger needle. if that helps.
Yeah, like for me when I do try to put the thread through the needle. Whenever I don't get it. I bring the needle closer to my face, and I open my eyes wider as if I'm staring down into the soul of the needle. Just Why don't you go in I'm going very slowly. How know my wife would like walk in and never happen. I could imagine her walking in looking at me just concentrating on my face. This you can't see the needle or the throat, Alex, we doing?
But for you What was your biggest challenge? I know it's a weird segue. But what was your biggest challenge when you first started sewing?
A couple of things maybe. The first was I was really ambitious. And I I got frustrated when my project didn't turn out perfectly or not the way I wanted it to, or it didn't look exactly like it did on the the envelope of the pattern. So that was a challenge. And my mom helped me through that. And I learned to even when a project does have imperfections, or even when you do hit challenges along the way, you learn from them and you you try to fix them as best as you can. But that was a challenge to kind of accept that and, you know, accept the fact that not everything you make is going to be perfect, especially on your first try. Even I've made many pairs of pajamas and him that I didn't do completely straight or the scene wasn't as clean as I'd like, because I was kind of rushing or so that was a challenge. Also, when I was learning, it takes a while to really understand a sewing pattern. Some of the terminology that they use some of the the graphics and the instructions, it can be a little intimidating, you know, things like cut on bias. What does that mean? interfacing? What's that? Why do I have to cut to have this piece and why does it have to be on the fold? Why does if I'm making a skirt or a piece of clothing, why can't I just put this pattern piece where I have a lot of space on my fabric laid out on my table? Why does it have to be pointing in a certain direction, things like that they all the short answer is you can't just put pattern pieces down you know all scattered however you like or wherever they fit. The the grain line will affect How the fabric falls when you're wearing a garment. And so sometimes that can really make or break a project if the fabric doesn't flow or fall properly. So definitely that took a little bit of time I might my mom helped me out a lot with that she explained all those things and how sewing a printer a pattern. Everything has to be, you know, in the same direction so that you don't get you know, one sleeve with stripes going down your arm and another sleeve with stripes going across it. Things like that, or I'd say using patterns was was a challenge. It gets easier though. And nowadays with YouTube and forums and websites, they're quite helpful and they'll explain things so
so would you say that you have no challenges today or you do you still have some challenges?
Oh, yeah, there's so my my boyfriend. he emailed me at work one day saying I have an amazing idea. For a costume for Halloween this year, but it's might be kind of tricky. And I don't know if you've ever done anything like this before. I said, Okay, like, what is it? It was. It's a pattern for a costume for a lunch. I always stumble on the pronunciation of this. The Lunt snack, sniffed. Disconnect. I think that's the right. Yes, yes, it was a. They were basically German mercenaries in the 16th century. And right now, my boyfriend's current, he has a current fascination with armor and, you know, it's 16th century military history. And he saw this, you know, these these, these carvings and a lot of costumes that other people have made. And so, I'm like, Yeah, that would be really challenging. And like, I was optimistic, but at the same time, I'm a little scared because it's, the sleeves are kind of complicated, and it's a pattern. It's a The warms, that's what they're called their sleeves that are really billowy and they've got slits in them and they're supposed to fall a certain way. But if you don't use the right fabric, and if you don't cut it, and you don't sew it right way it can be it can look really floppy and not good at all. So it's something I've never really done before. And it's also something something complicated is also you know, something that requires a lot of work and a lot of time. Sometimes part of the battle is just finishing something on time. Yeah, there's always going to be challenges. There's always things. Rushing can sometimes be tricky these days. Yeah, I never really stopped learning. So there's always even for my mom who has stolen everything from bridesmaids dresses to curtains. Do vaes
Yeah, she's so not she crafts. Yeah, she made a bunch of things. There's photo albums of stuff that she's made. In its it just it still blows me away. I remember one bridesmaid Actually no, it wasn't a Bridesmaid Dress, it was a prom dress for someone. And the bodice was meant to be pleated, but the person the girl wanted it gathered. But the pattern wasn't really that it wasn't really meant to be that way. So my mom was pretty experienced. And she, she knew what she was doing. And so she she gathered it and it ended up looking amazing. And it all turned out but there was a time where it ended up not like she had her should know the proper name for this not a mannequin, but like a dress, something that you could
model, not a dummy.
It's not really a dummy. It's just basically so yeah, yeah. And you can adjust it she couldn't get it on it because once you've switched it from pleading to gathering and so both can be really tricky. But she's a total Pro. So she, she fixed it and it looked amazing and the girl was really thankful and her dress looked really beautiful. So, yeah, even the most experienced seamstresses. You know, there's always a challenge.
I feel like you for yourself, you have a picture of every project you created, and you have them stored somewhere. Wait, don't tell me you don't.
I? Oh, I mean, ever since I had a cell phone. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I still in many cases, I still have the thing itself.
Like for the ones who gave away I'm sure you didn't take those back.
No, no, no, I have pictures of the robe and the 1940s dress and other dresses that I've made and made a couple of blouses. Yeah, I'm bad at social media and actually posting pictures but i think i think i've been inspired to post some of them and you know, not be afraid to kind of,
Well, you're in luck because I'm also bad at social media, but I'm going to post anything you share. So if you send me pictures of your things I'm going to share it so there you go. We're both you know talking about sewing what are some misconceptions about people who so
that everything they were was made by that they made they make everything they were that it's easy. It certainly isn't. It can be a challenge that it's necessarily cheaper if you make something yourself. Sometimes it can be if it depends on the fabric and the pattern, but yeah, it's sometimes often it can. It can be a lot more expensive and if you were to just go out and buy it, yeah, a lot of fabrics. Whether it's for curtains or Formal Dresses, yeah, I can get expensive so there's that.
Is there also the misconception that it's only for older people?
Oh, yeah, there's there's some of that although there's quite a few younger people that it hasn't completely died out. It's it's there's a lot of people My age and even younger who who still so they're crafting, knitting and sewing knitting embroidery is kind of seeing a little bit of a renaissance with millennials. So, yeah, I would say that's a misconception also, you know, there's a misconception that it's only a thing for women. There's there's men who so to tailoring is still I mean, look at Seville row and London. You know, Henry pool and co there's Taylor's there who they do amazing things and, but there are female tailors as well. So, yeah, there's there's a misconception that it has to be necessarily has to be a woman making a dress or a man making a suit.
No, no, you're absolutely right, Doc. So I go sometimes to Well, I do it last two years to something called anime north. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay, so me nor for people who do not know it's an anime convention convention. For people who do not know what enemies it's pretty much Japanese cartoons. In Japan, so it's animation. And if you go to this convention and I'm sure there's different conventions such as Comic Con or anime north or any type of other conventions, there's a lot of cool costumes and a lot of them people saw it and create them. Male or female. Amazing. I've seen some of them and would you ever create something for anime
North? Oh, yeah, yeah, it basically you know, it's kind of like Halloween costumes. I've never been to anime North I I was never really into anime. My boyfriend kinda is he's he's big on Dungeons and Dragons in here. Warhammer. Oh, yeah, yeah. And that that's actually where the lance Connect. Reaching out.
He's probably listening to this and just facepalming and shaking his head and
he's gonna mention it when we come he comes on to the
fans. Yeah, his friends too. And like I was part of a D amp D Warhammer group that he introduced me to so they're probably like, For shame, Melissa. So, yeah, sorry. Hey, you
don't need to say sorry. Yeah, they want to say something they have to come on to this show. But actually, I'm supposed to get your boyfriend eventually to talk about shaving which, yeah, but we'll talk about that later today. It's all about you. Okay, so is this a hobby that you like to share with the world or keep it more for yourself?
Oh, definitely share with the world. Yeah. I hope that in some way people can can benefit from the little things that I do. I know. It's kind of Yeah, it makes you feel small in the grand scheme of things. But yeah, I love sharing it with the world I love. I don't really do it for money like my mom did. But when I'm really touched when someone comes to me, and they need something altered, and they say, Oh, you know, could you do you think this is something you'd be able to fix? Or do you think you could have these these pants and I'm like, Yeah, sure. It's, you know, a close friend or family and I do it and sewing is love, it's one way that I express my love for my family and friends. So, you know, that's that's one reason why I want to share it with the world and also just the creativity and you know, you can transport yourself back to the 16th century or to the 1940s. And I get so excited with the history and talking about it and you know, sharing being honest and saying this was not easy, and I almost screwed it up but turned out and, and I love it when other people share their projects. on my Facebook newsfeed is filled with things that people have made, whether from patterns or originally and yeah, it's I love seeing what they've made to. And also, yeah, when I used to work at museums, I loved costumes and I loved things I made or the things that my co workers made. I love sharing it and explaining it and hopefully helping people to appreciate the history of that garment and how much work went into it. Teaching people you know this this was done on 1870 sewing machine. It's not easy to operate. I know because I at Black Creek and Mackenzie house I I worked on that one. So yeah, but yeah, it's definitely something that I I love sharing for for many reasons. And I hope that I'll continue to do that. And I hope that people like it. So
I'm sure they will. And Melissa just proved that stilling brings fabric together and brings people together. Right there.
So cheesy today.
Oh, that's awesome.
Speaking about like bringing people together. Have you ever taught anybody sewing?
Yeah, so um, when I was babysitting, the daughter of one of my mom's friends and coworkers I yeah, I taught her how to sew on the machine. Just a really basic thing she was she was interested in that she liked crafts. So to be honest, I don't consider myself a very good teacher. But that went that went well. Also when I was working at Pickering museum village, my first museum gig we used to do a craft program that's another museum you need to visit by the way, shameless promotion of
whatever you need
this mazing sites and I have great memories there. But anyway, um, we took turns running a kids craft program, so spend a morning in this Pioneer Village and doing things that they they would have done back then and my craft I of course, I undertook the the week that involves sewing as a craft. So I taught we had it was a small group that week, but I taught a couple of kids how to sew by hand and I was a little nervous because it can be intimidating for kids and most of them hadn't seen Before, and so I wasn't sure how it was going to turn out. But it was awesome. You know, me and my co workers were we're helping them it was a small group. So we could kind of do one on one. And I taught them. It's like a snake. So hold the needle really gently, and you want to go in and out and do one at a time. Because if you try to go too fast if you try to bunch up the fabric, and kind of sandwich it and then pull the needle through, it's that's one way to kind of get your thread tangled. So yeah, but it was fun teaching them and it was nice because there was a boy there who I thought, Oh, I don't think he'll like sewing. I don't think he'll be interested in it. And he seemed a little ambivalent at first, but then I think he saw the other kids doing it. We also had little grids to make it easier so that they know where to put their. It was a guide for the needle and turned out that his little pouch that was what we were in turned out great and he said so are you guys gonna do something again in the in another kids in the village program and we started laughing because we thought oh my gosh she likes it
yay he's like are you guys gonna do another one? Not that I'm interested in
puts on a mustache next year less Claus. I am Timmy Weren't you here last last week Jimmy? No, no, my name is Timmy.
Yeah, so that was fun. That was really fun. It's Yeah,
that's good. I'm glad that you bring this passion to other people and it makes people very excited to even come back into it. Even the people that you do not expect to like it end up enjoying it. I feel I won't. I don't even try every now and then. But if you have any questions about that, I'm sure you're gonna ask me if you don't. But do you have any social media links or websites that you would like to share? It can either be websites that you go shopping or forums or even personal let's say Instagram, Twitter, Tumblr, anything Else,
there's a few groups on Facebook that I find really helpful. You can post if you have a problem with a certain project, you can, you can do that there are private groups that you have to you have to sign up for it, and then you can see it. But there's those those are helpful for for help. There's some forums and some really nice blogs. I have Facebook and Instagram. Yeah. So on my Instagram account, my My name is retro, retro Mal, so you can find me there. And yeah, I've been inspired to post a few photos. So I will I'll do that. And hopefully, yeah, people can go and see what I'm talking about. I'll post some pictures of the robe and you know, my old Beanie Baby
you're just gonna put everything so that's perfect. I'm going to put that in the description below so people can go click and find it.
Awesome. Yeah, I still consult. I mean, there's my mom. I'm kind of I'm spoiled that way. I kind of look Yeah, really, I kind of consult a number of different blogs I, I haven't followed one religiously. But that might change because there's there's a lot of interesting crafting and sewing blogs out there.
And one of the popular ones I don't know about sewing but especially for pretty much a lot of different things. Read it. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure there's a subreddit for so
I'm sure I don't I don't use I don't have a Reddit account, but maybe I should make one.
You can do it for free. You don't even have to make an account. Okay. You just spy in?
Yeah. Oh, yeah, I've done okay. Yeah, I've browsed Reddit before with
their go. So if you ever just feel that Melissa is in the Reddit forum with you. She's spying with you. Yeah. So what else intend to do is I throw the question to you to throw it to me. Do you have any questions for me about sewing? I am definitely not an expert and definitely not prepare for this.
Okay, so I have one question do you happen to like and or used to tote bags
remind me what a tote bag is.
bags for. You can basically put anything in it when you go grocery shopping or a book.
I love tote bags I I use it for like carrying stuff even just from one room to another is a cure everything and so I put in my pockets know what do you what do you have there?
Oh little you know
it's a pizza.
No. No, unfortunately not a pizza, but
oh, this is awesome. So yeah,
this is Oh, wow, I love it. Oh, this is cool. Okay, wait, um,
I wasn't sure if I should surprise you during the podcast when like, yeah, I gotta throw a curveball.
Oh, this is awesome. I'm sorry guys. I'm leaving guys in suspense. She made me a tote bag with the time for your hobby logo on it and all this is so cool. It's got like a 3d feel to it. I wish this is a video podcast show. This is awesome. Alyssa Thank you can carry this around anywhere like yeah, absolutely just, I don't know what I'm going to put in it yet. I'm gonna put up an apple and just walk around with it. I'm just gonna. I'm gonna show this to my wife tonight. She's gonna be very jealous. Is she allowed to use it? Or is it just for me?
Oh yeah, it's your tote bag. So you can hopefully, hopefully you'll share it but it's up to you
is awesome. I, I'm going to take a picture of this and I posted on Instagram. I'm going to post this up before I release this episode just to say I love it. I'm going to share it again the day I release the episode so people remember like, Oh, yeah, this is so awesome. I can go on
like, I wanted to talk about it. Like when you said Oh, where does your inspiration come from? Yeah, like I I saw the mug that someone made for you. And I thought, wow, I'd love to so that let's do it. So I did and I just it's like this maniacal obsession like I just yeah, inspiration I thought, I don't know if this can be done but I'm going to try and so it was fun and I i've the tote bag part wasn't too hard because I've made I've made bags before and it's pretty simple but the the cutting out of the logo pieces and it was fine and I really enjoyed doing it. So I'm glad that you gave me you know the opportunity to do something like that and the podcast and
I hope you like it.
I love it. I'm burnout, My mouth is open just staring at it. I should be listening to Melissa. Like, his bag is dope. I love it. But no, like dope. Awesome. It's really dope. I'm like, my hands are touching. Like, I could feel it. So cool. I can go on for hours. I just like looking at it. Like when I had that mug. I just stared in like good isn't my
money saying I yeah, that it just, I loved it and wow. And that's
Yeah, that's what inspired me. So it kind of goes back to you know, inspiration can come from anywhere and You know, as soon as you get your hands on fabric and you go to your machine and you get your needles out, it's I, I'm thankful that it It turned out the way it did. And it worked. I definitely took a few creative risks and I kind of
worked. It's perfect. I
magic it. It's fun every time. I really find it fun and challenging. And
I almost feel like I don't want to use it. I just want to hang it on the wall. Just like having in this room so people can
do whatever you
happy right now. So I'm going to Metro later I'm going to carry I'm definitely carrying this a metro. Yeah,
this is my tote bag. Maybe it'll promote your podcast.
Exactly. And then they're like, Oh, well, where'd you get that? I'm like, Oh, that's for Episode 61 talking about Melissa you should go check that out. And she talks all about it. This is awesome. Melissa, thank
you so much. Thank you. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to do that. It was fun. So yeah,
there you have it. Quality with a hobby. Thank you so so much, Melissa for coming on and sharing everything the deep story the relationship with your grandmother and sewing the Passion were brought you today the three machines, maybe your fourth one to come with a Siri or Google.
My it kind of makes me feel like a baller, but I yeah.
It's uh, yeah, I it's humanly impossible to operate on. And like, I'll probably end up just stubbing my toe on the chair leg, you know, going back to my clumsiness, so but if you
do this stuff,
you're gonna get right back at it, it's not gonna let you stop. So yeah, if you want to learn more about Melissa, you have this lovely full episode. That was certainly my longest episode. And so with that, everybody has their different lengths and needs everybody shares to the heart's content. So this is what it took to share your story. I'm going to keep the whole thing. It has no continually
Well, I'm going to post while I talk.
You can edit me. It's my boyfriend jokes that it takes me like he thinks it's cute the way that I tell stories because I you know, I set up a context A pre story and then I get into the story and I get lost in details and then like, Oh, wait, what was I talking about? Oh, yeah, okay.
Well, yeah, this this whole storytelling experience led you up to this tote tote bag. This bag right here, which I just got really excited. Like if you were just gave it the beauty of it when excited. But after all that story and the like the passion behind it, I'm like, even more excited. So that's really cool. So, yeah, if you want to be on my podcast or have any questions at all, you can send me an email at time for your hobby at gmail. com. And of course, if you think this episode can be helpful for anybody, by all means, share with them because sewing is a very relaxing if you don't pick yourself a very relaxing process and it can be helpful for anybody can bring people together and bring fabric together Like I said before, and once again, I just had to say thank you so much, Melissa.
Thank you, Alex. Thank you so much. It was fun. So Until the next episode,
make some time for your hobby. Take care.