#41 Dicks Dicks Dicks AGAIN
4:13PM May 4, 2020
Hey there. I was gonna see how long we could sit here and look at each other.
It's weird to just look straight on at you. Just like Hi.
looking straight down the barrel we usually sit next to each other. We sit next to each other at the at the breakfast table and we sit next to each other on the sofa
and on the sofa. I'm I'm sort of looking at the fireplace and you're looking at the you're facing
Oh, yeah, well, we're
record we never look at one another. So
and we also just never record you and I know so that
this is very strange. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Hi, this is Chastain
This is Max.
This is the Pod Pod Cvlt Cast. And these are interesting times. And we've had kind of a difficult week
yet everybody's having a bad week. everybody's having a tough time. Even though it seems pretty indulgent. When we're only what 40 episodes in to start doing reruns, we decided that it would be a good idea for all of us to take a week off of recording We don't have anything banked up. So we're just gonna let you guys listen to an episode that you may have already listened to. Or maybe you just joined us in the last couple weeks. And this is new to you.
Yeah. So we're going to listen to Episode 28, in which we discussed dick. This is an episode that came out on February 3, so it's pre pandemic, which might be a nice break for you. And we talked about having parties and we talked about living out in the world and just being normal people. So that may be a good thing. I don't know. Maybe that's a breaking need. And we don't know we honestly don't know what the right thing to do is with any of us, but we wanted to put something out. We have done one rerun before we for Halloween, we put out our anxiety episode again. But that was the only time but that was a planned break. This is an unplanned. I think you and Eric were very You're you were very honest about your bodies in this episode, and I was very proud of YouTube for opening up. And that's one of the things I love about our podcast is that it surprises me always about the things that we'll say on the microphone that we never say to each other.
Yeah, in the first couple episodes when we were talking about why we were doing this all together, and what we hope to get out of it. You know, one of the things that I hope to get out of it, and still hope we haven't quite gotten quite gotten there yet. Because even 40 episodes, we're not all that comfortable yet. Really, yeah, is like that we would have the conversations that we don't necessarily have, we would have them on mic while we were recording. You know, and I think that kind of forces you to, to be honest, held accountable. If it's on tape,
it's a record. There's a recorded record of it. Uh, yeah, you know, what I think would help. I think it would help if we were looking at each other.
He's been angling for us to like, find a new recording setup ever since we started
I know I don't like the living room setup because it's difficult for me to I can't see everybody. So yeah. Oh, now I can't see to everybody anyway. So Eric is missed.
So yeah, he's gonna be mad when he sees what a mess I've made of the cords.
Eric usually does a very diligent and very precise Brian
job of putting the cords away and stuffed them into a bag. Mm hmm. And then that's what she said get angry when I have to take them back out of that bag the next week. But anyway, yeah, so everybody's having a tough time. You know, probably just about everybody out there, too, is having a tough time. And we're just taking a few days to kind of get our head straight and think about what we're going to do next. But we just didn't came up with four ideas yesterday. So we have some ideas and we're out We're gonna plow ahead
and all of my ideas will be voted down because they all involve
Maybe. Okay, so enjoy Episode 28 have fun with this. It's all about dick. Bye bye.
It's surprising to get another picture
of this adorable pod dog. Here.
It's giving me good pod snuggles. pod snuggles. Oh,
I'm gonna post that to Instagram. Y'all talk amongst yourselves. Don't say
why do you do that?
Where did it go? It came from Mike Myers.
Richmond Yeah. 30 days ago. Yeah. You weren't alive. No. Linda Richmond was the Alright, character.
I heard that wrong.
Yeah. Mike Myers is from what Toronto? Somewhere in Canada canadia as our stunt show, friend Grimm said, Oh, yeah, from Indiana Jones. So tell this man, he's hitting on a much stronger accent than he actually had.
Yes. Yeah. Yes. So this is starting up marvelously. Hi, everybody. How are we doing? Good. How are we doing? We just had lunch. We may I'm making soup handed dishes. Yeah, those are the things that happened. Eric is uploading photos for vacation stuffer.
Yeah, here's animal photos.
Hannah, you're interviewing us? Yes. Okay. Do you wanna do that now? Sure. Okay, great.
Welcome to the Pod Pod.
Part of the lease
pool for poultry cast or belly bites.
I know you'd like him to
welcome to the pub.
Welcome to the Pod Pod Cvlt Cast where we talk about life, love, learning and libido, and share our journey through polyamory and kink. I'm Hannah.
And I'm Erik.
Yes, you are. And this is NPR. VR and Erik is around. Hi, how are you doing everybody? We already answered that move on
Today we're talking about penises. Diggs talking about decks.
But before we talk whackers
before we talk about decks, I would like to we actually have a
wedding tackle john Thomas's Is
that a thing? Johnson's
sprinkle. Can we make sprinkle a thing though?
Yeah, I mean, we never did that on a bus.
Nobody has ever done that. Like, I
don't know how I somehow grew up in the one little area where we screamed penis and that was just a fun thing we did
know as children. Nope, nothing. Penis anyway. So what are we doing before we talk about Tallulah?
Well, so as you know, we met one of our Patreon goals. Yay, yay. Thank you so much patrons. Our Patreon goal was to me was $40 a month so that we could do a q&a, but it helps us become more accessible. We're trying to get to $75 a month so that we can Start doing transcripts of all of our episodes. So that's still a goal. And we'll talk more about our Patreon later in the episode. So we did that. And so we gave all of our patrons the opportunity to ask us questions that they wanted to have answered on our free feed, which is this. So, at the Pod Pod Cvlt Cast, I have some questions from our patrons, Sydney. Okay. Are you ready? Yep. Okay, first question. What do you think has been the best representation of polyamory in popular media? And you can think about it for a second. I already have an answer because I read the questions beforehand.
Give your answer while we're trying to
Dr. Marston and the women are Dr. Marrs Oh, yeah, that's a good one that the Wonder Woman, the guy who wrote Wonder Woman comics, had a lifelong thurible and after he died, his wife stayed together and raised their kids together. wives they live together as wives. And I think it gives a very realistic portrayal of some of the emotions involved in that happening and how it can be organic and how it can be beautiful, but also very challenging.
It's Professor Marston in the Wonder Women. There we
go, Professor Marston and the Wonder Woman, so I'll make sure I link that in the show notes. But that's what I think was a really great representation of polyamory, as I've kind of experienced, not in terms of like a three way relationship or a triad. I just the way that the emotions played out felt really real to me. Yeah, he's based on real stories. So it's been a couple years since we saw that, right. It also talks about the struggles in the beginning, right, but yeah, they're trying to Yeah, yeah, it's good. Yeah. And I thought that might not but actually make a really great club cast media club, too.
Yeah, for sure. I haven't seen it. so sure. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, nobody we're talking about. But this is also not new.
Not having an idea.
Well, well, who's next or who thinks about who has another good representation? of polyamory and pop media
that you've seen. I think that's the answer.
Oh, is that the answer? Oh, no. Oh, no, nobody says anything. No song shows.
I think that's the answer. Because I have another answer. I know what your other answer is. What is that a magician?
This is cheating, first of all. But you're right. You're right. Either.
She'll explain to you later.
I'll probably make everybody watch it again. I'll keep doing it over and over and over again. Okay, sorry. I'm back. And we're back. All right. Well, next question. What is the one kink related question you get asked the most
kink related? Yeah, I'm not like poly related or kink. kink specifically. I don't generally get asked questions,
like parties and stuff. Do people have asked you questions? Yes, it's usually, but it's usually directed at me. And it's something about so they've
Questions about Eric, you like the same thing. Like if Eric leaves the room, it's things like, Where's your submissive and I go, he's not myself. So.
I mean, I think it's not really much of a question. I think like, the most commonly thing I've been asked over the years is just like, a lot of what my role is, or, you know what I do what I'm into? Yeah,
yeah, I could ask what I meant to a lot. And I go, you can find me on fetlife or, and it depends on it. It depends on the person. Right.
What I meant to really depends on my partner. It took a couple years for me to work out. You know, roles specifically top dominant, whatever. And, you know, I kind of landed on. I do two sometimes tops things.
Here the tops, what about you about? What kind of questions do you get asked? None.
The facial expressions and they're gonna carry to
allow me to describe it where you know,
I have a perfect image to describe it that
I can't. It's fine. We're moving on.
Oh, I don't know anything. What about like kink education stuff? What are like common things that you've seen online? You know, we've done a lot of Whisper stuff we've done a lot of what are some common kink things you see is arise on like fetlife or Reddit or just what's the question another
like question that I kind of question I get asked specifically, is just about like what happens at parties So what happens at our parties? Because once you know, someone knows that we host kink parties? Yeah. You know, it's like, yeah, it's not a world that everybody is broken into. So they don't really know what to expect.
And to be clear, we never talk about anything in specifics, because it is considered outing behavior to talk about anything that anybody does. But you can say I saw a scene where someone was spent. And that is a perfectly general way and safe way to talk about what you have seen at a party, but you don't want to say, you know, I saw Marilyn Monroe getting, you know, tickled by Johnny Cash. You don't want to give specific names and yeah, which I would pay to see that. That'd be really weird. I just, I'm on my second to third cup of coffee. So my head goes straight places. I think one of the questions I get is, how do I get invited? Right? How do I get involved in the community and we actually have an episode where we talk a lot about the kink community kink and kilts and tutus and corsets.
I'm looking at
something like three or four. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, so we have we have an episode dedicated to that. I think that's the question I get asked the most is how do I how do I do that? And the answer is usually just show up. There are no keys to the kingdom that you need, you can just start going to things. There are events and public spaces that you can just show up to meet more people. And then you can invite it to them. Or Exactly. Meet people be nice to them be polite.
Yeah. And oh, yeah. Another kind of sort of icebreaker question that I get asked, okay, usually is, well, how do I meet somebody who will do this thing with me, to me for me, or whatever?
Just like you meet anybody else, you'd go somewhere and socialize. And then you ask questions
or you know, fetlife or Yeah, so yeah. Do put kink specific things on non kink dating sites to so
yes, yes. Yeah. So I was thinking about it. Like the entering the community stuff, and just showing up stuff. And there are like, it always comes back to me to like the one, the one to 1000 experiences I've had with going to a burlesque show and then telling people I went to her burlesque show, and people go like you would hope our last show. How do I do that? And I said, I bought a ticket. And then I arrived at the start time. The doors open, they let me and I sat in a seat and watched. I went.
Yeah, it's Yeah, people think that there are barriers around things because they have a boundary around that. Right. And I think it's the same with parties a little bit because just because I am into a certain thing, or you have a certain idea in your head about a kinky sexy party being I don't know whips and chains, I guess.
Yeah. Steps change.
But you know, somebody who is showing up and is a little intimidated by those things but has the opportunity for group sex or voyeurism or like whatever their thing is, I think sometimes they don't register that as being on the same plane. And for us, it often is like all of those people are in one space together. And we're calling it one thing. Yes. So they've definitely gotten some, like, questions along those lines. If like, what if I don't want to participate? And the answer is always you don't have to do anything you don't want to do
ever even watch. It's okay. Yeah, that the Is it okay to watch. Well, I just need the creepy dude. Or creepy person or creepy lady at the party watching one of them. Yeah, it'll be one of
many very good company. All of us are socially awkward. And that is part of the social setting. Yeah, I will need others to watch.
It's true. Absolutely. They want others to watch what's most the reason they come to parties to do stuff. I had a great conversation with one of our house friends yesterday morning, and we were talking about feeling awkward at parties and I was talking about the fact that, you know, when I go to parties, I like to bring people with me. So I have sort of a little entourage of people that I ride with and leave with. So I feel like I have a party inside the party. But that hosting parties makes it easy, because then you can always say you have something to do. But when you're just a guest at a party, I think it's important to remember that everybody else feels just as awkward as you do. And everybody else is wondering where to put their eyes until they get comfortable in the environment. So if you haven't gotten comfortable in the environment, it's just remember that there are other people who are just like you and that you're not the only one. And nobody's looking at you like you're a weirdo. Sorry. Well, except Eric.
Like any other party in that, yeah, there's always
an Eric, are there more? Are there more questions that list? I have one more question. Okay. I'm gonna come back to something after we answer that question. Okay.
The last question is what has been the hardest part about doing a podcast
finding the time For us to get together here, do this session
up for schedules.
Yeah. And I'm sure for testing. It's just the edit everything else. Really, really is time consuming. But
yeah, but I like it. I'm enjoying it.
Yeah, yep. We haven't run into or out of content yet. that'll become, that'll become the big problems and SEO questions.
I mean, we took a vacation that just talked about vacation on for two episodes for our Patreon people. So yeah, so I think we got three, three episodes out of one vacation. So yeah, but we had to find the time to podcast while we were on vacation. Right. And that was also a challenge because we were tired and drunk and drunk, but mostly tired.
I think we're on a good trajectory from this being something that can be like emotionally draining for something that can be emotionally like it's
Yeah, you know, so. So Sydney, you know, thank you so much for all of these awesome questions, but I just want to share with you the comment that Sydney made at the end of his questions and he said that our podcast is informative, fun, intelligent and inclusive. Thank you. So thank you Sydney, because hearing that really helps make this an emotionally uplifting experience for us because we do want to feel we do want our listeners to feel like you're just right here in the living room with us, chillin,
get on your mate, etc.
Okay, one we can't make Australia jokes anymore because Australia is on fire or flooding. It still exists. But we know that Sydney's not in Sydney. I know that was the joke.
I just talked to like five minutes.
Okay, so I'm gonna go back to something Hannah said. Okay. Just a word Hannah said because this is a pedantic question that I've meant to bring up with you guys here but I don't think I have Remember to bring it up yet? Sure. In the context of parties, Hannah mentioned the word for your ism. Yes. Is it possible? This is just a pedantic question? Is it possible for exhibitionism or voyeurism to exist in a space that's set aside for sex and sexy things to happen? isn't really exhibitionist to be naked in a space where you expect to see naked people.
So I saw I saw I think what you're asking and I just want to be clear, I think what you're asking is, if the whole point is that, you know, people are going to be okay with it. So it's not taboo, right. Why is it so exciting? And I think the eyes watching it still eyes watching and i think that being an exhibitionist isn't necessarily about shocking people who are watching you. I think it's about just being watched and the how those people feel about watching you and what you're trying to do. Like, if you're trying to have them have an emotional response. I think that's I, I've never been one of those shock vanillas types.
And I think that that and I think that we take a stance here at it, podcast incorporated
the Pod Pod Cvlt Cast headquarters. Yeah, that we don't shock them analysts because that's a consent violation. So I think yes, you can absolutely have voyeurism and exhibitionism when it's when it's, uh, I don't think it has to be a secret
here all the time.
Yeah. I have to go check the definition of lawyers right now to make sure I hadn't used the wrong word. But I don't think there's anything in the definition that requires it to be secret or non consensual. There's just that implication, I think a lot of times, right, right.
Okay. That was it was just pedantry. That was Oh,
thank you. I'm looking.
I'm looking for the disclaimer, we
have a disclaimer. Well, I think we should disclaim because we're going to talk about a lot of ticks. Speaking of parties, we're going to talk a lot all the way. And
this is a podcast where we express our opinions about love and relationships, sex and kink polyamory and LGBTQ issues. And whatever else comes up while we talk about these things, we may also touch on stuff like violence, abuse and mental health challenges. These can be difficult topics, so keep that in mind moving ahead.
So Max, you want to talk about debt I want to talk about dude. All right, talk about mix. Like specifically your deck is this like, I want
to give a
shout out to your dick
max.com I want to give a Oh yeah, I forgot about naked max.
How could you
not paying $14 a year for
stock holding in the membership fees like I thought it would? Well, I do want to give a pro tip up front if you have a little leaguer and you're going on the international world wild, worldwide web to look up some baseball equipment. It's Dick's Sporting Goods calm, not Dick's dot com that mistake that I made with our little leaguer sitting next to us one that's to me one day. dicks calm is a very different thing. But I won't talk about digs and dick
is also a different thing, because that's the name of a knife and Tool Company in Germany. So if you go to the German site, they it's not.
just like in seven. Yeah,
Yeah. So there's a lot of like, weird dick negativity. Right.
And we're down on decks as a society. Yeah,
you know, we see. So we're just gonna giggle through this.
This is collapsing. Well, I don't think you meant you had very much a layered statement there. My society just being down on Deck.
jerks right them so
I think it's pretty cool right now to say like, oh, dicks gross don't want to see those right there in my inbox and I hate them, which isn't understandable and like, yeah, somewhat joking response to a real thing. But
yeah, I think, you know, I think that dicks as the genital and and as a concept represent a kind of toxic masculinity that society has awakened to recognize that we don't want to promote in our children and in each other and but the flip side of that is that we're not doing a good job of also lifting up like the really positive masculinity stuff. Like I think we see a lot more represented representation for us. trans woman, then we do trans men. And I think that we, you know, with body positivity stuff, it's mostly focused on women and not on men. But, you know, I think that what all of us feel weird about our genitals and our bodies. And yeah,
and there are some very good reasons for that. Yeah, acknowledge that. But yeah, that is the thing that I see as well. There's a lot of a lot more support from women, to other women, for body positivity and being happy with your body and showing your body than there is from one day to another dude, for the same sorts of things, you know, yeah. And we see in the parties that we go to in the sort of environments that we're in the parties that we hold, we see women much more often showing their bodies than we see men showing their bodies. And it's not even typically like your super cut, ripped, buff dudes, who are the ones that show you their bodies. It's usually your great big bear. Types right? That you see showing their bodies
I guess yeah, I think you know we talked we had that episode where we talked about the article that Hannah brought to us why are polyamorous or polyamorous people so ugly? yes um and in when we talked about that article we talked about the fact that you stop giving a fuck about what society and other people think about you and you start selling chickens ready I'll go check the chicken in a second speaking of female choke the chicken in the second. Oh dicks. I think that we should I lost my train of thought you could do polyamorous people so why are polyamorous people so ugly so beginner you have people who have really embraced an idea of like I don't have to conform to societal norms. The beauty standards of pop culture don't apply to me. I don't care about them. I'm not worried about them. Those are the people who are going to be comfortable getting naked like me. I'm a fat chick. I have no trouble getting naked at a party. And I know so many women who have beautiful like thin, very, very, like, socially acceptable bodies. Yeah. And they are so like, Oh my gosh, like, I can't believe you get like, you look so beautiful. And that fish that thing and it was like, wow, am I but I'm just, I'm just being comfortable. And it's my house like it's a sexy party. Why? Why just get naked, be free. And but everybody has hangups about their body no matter what their body looks like. So, yeah, no worries about that. I'm gonna go check the chicken. Good leaders.
And we're back. And we're back.
Yeah, so the reason that I was thinking about this this week, and I suggested that we, we talked about this week is, as I recently had been trying to add more podcasts. I've been listening to a lot of swinger podcasts and kink podcasts, stuff like that, and you You hear a lot of like, I have heard a lot of like, Yay boobs, but nobody wants to see dicks. Kind of sentiment expressed. Literally they say that. There's one that says that specifically in in a little ad that they do every week. That's gross. Yeah,
I guess is that? I don't know. Ah.
You know, and I see on different forums on Reddit people talking about, you know, how dude won't go naked, even in sex parties, specifically sex parties, you know, and a lot of it has to do, like, do we're insecure about our digs. We're insecure about the size of our decks. We're insecure about everything that's going on down there. And that's just something that we're sort of programmed with. But also, like, I would be more comfortable probably showing my dick at a party than I would my gut. Yeah, like I'd be more comfortable pantsless than shirt Yeah, and I don't do either very often chest
discomfort yeah and chest comfort men Isn't that an interesting thing? There are men who are very comfortable with their chest no matter what they look like and there are men who are not for male identifying persons yeah
yeah when I mean we saw in our son growing up while still he's you know
he's still he's still like constantly like not eating real food he's still doing protein shakes and doing starfish push ups and
but when we when we started going to sexy parties A few years ago, you know I was in probably the best shape my life much better shape than I am now I was just a few pounds lighter but I was a lot leaner. And it was a big thing for me like I made sure the day that we were going to sexy parties I was that was an arm day at the gym. And you know, get a little extra pump.
And you'd wear tight sleeves.
Yeah. And still then I still wasn't, you know, going shirtless?
Yeah, I've never seen your shirtless unless you're actually in party or doing sexy stuff. Yeah. Or it's a pool party. Yeah. Hot Tub, whatever.
I think we all want to do the routines that make us feel sexy and like ready to go to the party and meet the people. And a lot of times, you know, for all types of parties, all types of events that's putting on the clothes that make us feel really good. I put a lot of time into preparing the outfit and like the ritual of like, getting ready getting dressed. And so
armor. Exactly. Yeah. And that's what it's there for is to stand between you and the world and like, keep the insecurities on the inside. So it is a big deal to take your clothes off, even if you specifically showed up at the party to take your clothes off. And I don't know I don't know if part of the conversation. Is that like, we get to see ladies in various states of undress and their sexy lingerie and like a whole series of outfits that make them, you know, feel powerful. And I don't think that there is a whole lot of that for men.
Yeah, that is definitely true. It usually involves putting more things Oh, yes, taking them off.
Entering environments where I know, like I have something planned, or it is specifically a sex party environment that I know I'm going to be an underwear that's going to be seen, like it's difficult for dudes to find like, attractive for being seen underwear. Not for me.
Just go with the American flag.
American flag, America.
Yeah, I mean, I've you know, I have asked I probably asked both of you in this room, but I've also like, texted other partners and then like, what is sexy underwear for guys? Like what? Yeah, what do you get for that?
You have very specific six sexy underwear. Right? It's your sex. Yep. It's your party and your date underwear.
Yeah. Very specific. Yeah. Party. swim trunks things if we're going to, you know, something with a hot tub or a pool.
And that's all designed to make your junk look good. And well, and what's interesting is your sexy underwear is basically all the underwear that Eric owns. So all of his underwear makes a chunk look good all the time. So just walking around, feeling powerful about his junk all the time. No, no, I'm not saying it's a competition. I'm just saying that.
That's what feels like a competition in a party context.
No, nobody's measuring. No rulers have been brought out.
So all I'm saying is fellas let them dongs hang
but put down a towel or a tuck bed free. Sit down.
Yes, shame. Shame on those podcasts for shaming men. Shame on anybody for shaming for not wanting to see genitals. All genitals are beautiful. Even though Once
it's not many I want as many people to be naked as possible, I
guess makes it better. I can also understand in a larger context, excluding just parties that they're obtrusive, and people don't necessarily want to see them.
that aren't boobs also?
Yes. It's a double standard. That's what you call a double standard. It is. I mean, that said, a lot of times the the obtrusive pneus isn't the it itself. It's the manner with which it's delivered. Yeah. That's a problem. How you deliver your dick.
I don't want to see you know, people's moles and Hemorrhoids and all that stuff, too. But that's what you're seeing.
Right? Seeing the hemorrhoid stuff showing it off. Oh, wrong.
That's not what you know. But here's the thing about obtrusive pneus and antics that I think is really funny. Is that yes. You know, digs are can be obtrusive they can be seen as a thing of aggression, you know? And so we don't want people to walk around with their dicks out right? ties are dicks that's why ties exists. You have a great big decode your chest Yes. And I think it's fucking hilarious to think about that but then it's just dude every day going to work. go dig on their chest. Yes to express some kind of dominance.
Yeah, well, yes. And actually, where I was going to springboard this and that set it up perfectly is it's it's usually not the dicks themselves, though. That the intrusiveness it's the shameful way with which they're trying to be covered and then compensated for it. That's the obtrusive part. That's what I dislike. You know, I think that just let your dick hang out. Man, you need to drive some giant pickup truck for
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Well, so I don't think the problem is necessarily just penises being out I think it's the fact that penises can be hard. penises can drip penises can do all kinds of things that that
you can helicopter. Can
Can but but it's a little more contained and less obvious when a woman a woman isn't gorged in her lady bit area, when a person is engaged in that area, it is less like in your face. In most words as it were literally. But when when a penis is in gorged and in a state of arousal, it's out there and it's like, like, however many inches in front of their torso or Whatever. And it does become something that can accidentally bump up against people and things like that. So I think it's not necessarily that we don't want to see them. I think it's that people need to understand like an etiquette of how to be naked with your penis and maybe be aroused in that kind of environment. And also be courteous and not like get your fluids places, and I'm not talking about calm, I'm talking about pre calm. I know a lot of people that I've seen get naked in environments that have really drippy Cox and it's just like drip drip drip everywhere. And I mean, like, I feel bad, like, I kind of want to go like just get like a washcloth or something and carry it around like, I don't know, put a sock on it or something, but I don't want them to feel like they have to cover up but still like, you know, that's fluids from your body that your
beard of tissues to have hanging off of the bottom,
just like stick a tissue to the end. Like if you cut yourself
like a little beard.
But like when a woman is naked and wet, like That's mostly internal. You know, it's not like squirting or something like that, where that's very visible and all over the place. It can't. It can be, but I'm just saying it's like if you're just walking around and turned on, it's less visible. You know, women's, you know, I shouldn't say women. This physical, female body of breasts, and females, I don't know how to say these in proper inclusive terms. So I'm just going to say right now with both people with all of us, yes, the arousal is not as obvious, but people will follow those. The erectile tissue is contained mostly in the chorus, which is an organ that is mostly covered up by labia and all that stuff. And breast tissue, breast become and gorge and nipple nipples become erect when aroused. So unless you're like really checking out those boobs that you're looking at, or it's just cold, you know, you can't really, but we all like boobs. So anyway, I'll show No.
Did you arrive at whatever point you're trying to arrive? I just you know,
don't trip. Don't trip on stuff. Okay, but that'd be a job leads me to think as someone who does not have a penis that for people who do have a penis
she doesn't folks I've checked I
can't confirm no penis here. But if you for those who do you you are revealing more when you take off your clothes. I think that is at the heart of what you're you're saying like it can be inconvenient but also
Yeah, there is. Yeah, you are more vulnerable about it potentially. Yeah, there is a potential vulnerability. I wasn't thinking about it that way but Absolutely. Well in a vulnerability and what Hannah said a few minutes ago about like clothes being armor and that sort of thing. You know, we're talking about penises, not about feet, but like shoes are a big deal for me. I don't like being even in socks, not barefoot certainly but even in socks in a lot of like public context because I feel more confident if I'm in shoes. You know, when we go to homes where people ask you to remove your shoes when you come in the door like that makes me feel vulnerable.
You know, it just makes me feel kind of stupid if I'm at like a thing that I've dressed up for, you know,
dressy shoes to take. Yeah, and I understand, especially with people who rent their trash or save their carpet, or I guess,
I'm just saying my feeling so yeah,
no, I have been wearing the tie. Shoes.
Yeah, since it's like completely common in Germany to always take your shoes off when you go into someone's home. If someone is hosting a party or whatever, they would have like a whole slew of like passable foot house shoes for everybody that's coming by. They're usually sandals of some type or whatever. But yeah, a lot of people will have like a whole stack of shoes and various sizes just to they have something to put on their feet. But aren't shoes that have been worn outside? Yeah,
yeah, I you know, parties here. We all have I think except for Eric generally have like costume changes, you know? Yeah. Too much clothes
and not clothes.
Yeah that's been my late night I'm either in my nice smoking jacket that you bought me or you know a robe or whatever and I've looked for like some attractive house slippers or you know, carpet shoes or something to go with that for that reason because even in my own home with other people around it makes me feel more secure to like be covered it that way. Yeah.
Okay, so both of you have penises Max and Eric Hill you can confirm. So when you are naked in a public situation, both of you happen. Do you feel scared that your genitals are going to be hurt?
hurt? No, no.
No, I'm just
I see what is it? Because just like verbal part of the body is
it's a vital part of the body. Because this isn't just kind of out there
kind of became accustomed to protecting it.
ourselves from time to
time that happens, but not generally just you know, hanging out at a party. Okay, so not a general worry of mine.
Alright, so Eric, let me ask you this as somebody who is a penis ever, who does get naked at parties and seems to give no fucks at that point? Is it just inhibitions from alcohol? Or is it
just it's usually a contributing factor?
Or is it you know what, like, I'm about to get my dick sucked. So I might as well be comfortable, like, what is
it? That's also sometimes a contributing factor? I don't know. Because I'm not always like that. In fact, I'm not at all a showy person. It's pretty sure we can fit in general like don't and like outside. Have that context I would almost never
do. What are the things that put you at ease that make that a good context for being Nicky?
Difficult to say? Sometimes it's purely Oh, you feel awkward about this. So I'm gonna just step that up by awkward at all.
Okay, you do get really competitive about that.
That's, I wouldn't call it competitive. It's more just our standard bearer.
Yeah. Yeah. But we have a couple people who come to every party we have here who are all generally very good people. And I'm like, hell
yeah, you do it.
They can kick it off the man. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not that freewheeling
now. I got free. Free balling. Um, yeah.
But you know, it's great to have a preference. It's perfectly fine to have a preference for size. If you're someone who has sex. with people with dicks, but like, you'd also be real nice if like big could just stop being a punch line to every fucking thing. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's a bummer.
I understand, you know, as somebody who enjoys being penetrated by phallic objects, I will say this. It's more about girth. It's all girth.
Well, and that's a preference yours and I'm saying everybody has preferences. And
yeah, that's what I'm saying. But I'm saying I'm saying, but that hasn't prohibited me from enjoying a variety of phallic objects. And it's how you use it.
Right? And so we have kind of on the docket for this thing talking about how toxic toxic masculinity plays into these things and wanting to to show any part of your body as a man, right and any, any context. And that's the thing, right? Like, being worried about the size of your dick isn't about the size of your dick. It's about how that relates to your masculinity, right?
Yeah. Yeah, I'd say. I'd say it's rooted more than anything physical. It's more of a psychological hang up.
Yeah. And quite fast. And you said, Guys are worried about how their chest looks. That's also about your masculinity because, like, Am I more feminine if my chest if is not, you know, hard pecs? You know what I mean? Mm
hmm. So, okay, so I'm going to ask, I'm just going to prepare you and if you're not if you're not, if neither of you feel prepared for this, yeah. You don't have to answer you can just say I pass and I'll edit it out. Max, I'll start with you since you brought up the penis topic. Max. Do you like your body?
Right now overall I'm at a okay with my body.
That's good. You know? Do you feel confident? being naked in front of partners? Yes. Do you feel confident being naked in front of people at parties?
Well, I'll say, I'm gonna qualify the last question a little bit. I am confident being naked in front of my current partners because anybody that I am currently having sex with or have had sex with in the last couple years, like, I've known for a while, and they've seen me naked a few times. And, you know, I know that they're okay with how I look. Yeah, you know, if, but a new partner if I was to start dating somebody tomorrow, and the first time I went back to their place or whatever it was, like, yeah, I feel a little uneasy the first time taking my clothes off. Yeah.
Okay. And do you feel comfortable being naked in front of people at parties?
It takes I'm not going to just get naked. Party. Okay, I am comfortable getting naked party if something I'm doing involves getting naked. If I'm going to be in a group sex group sex situation at a party, I will take my clothes off. I am comfortable with that. If some kind of play if I'm wrestling, you know, then I'll take off my shirt. Yeah, I'll put all my little wrestling shorts. Yeah, I am comfortable. If there's a reason for me to take my clothes off, I am not comfortable just taking my clothes off for the sake of taking my clothes off.
Okay, awesome. Thank you for thank you for for sharing. Eric
not that different. Pretty much the same on all that stuff for the most part. Yeah, you feel pretty okay with your body right now?
Feel sickly and lazy and weak and whatnot for that, in general? No.
So I'm going to ask you a slightly different question because I know you come from an athletic background where appearance was very important. Do you think that athletics that do involve things like appearance and performance have really shaped how you think about your body now as a man,
only in the indirect sense that it used to be much more central a focus of mine and now it's not at all okay? elaborate on that meaning that it was such a thing that I would stress over Oh, through like adolescence and having grown up past that. I'm like, I guess more in the camp of me it doesn't fucking matter anyway.
You feel comfortable being naked in front of partners? Yeah, you feel comfortable being naked in front of people at parties if you're doing something
depends on the party but yeah.
Okay, so pretty much the same.
You know, overtly your your if there's a reason for me to be is Yeah, that that rings true. No, just gonna do it. Just do Right, right.
No. Well, unless don't
get to see the Yes,
that's right, you, you protect your treasure.
You know, and if we're outside of just having a conversation here, we're actually offering advice to dude going to parties. You know, if you're a dude my age, I'm 42 years old, you know, if your dude my age or you know, in the range, like, keep in mind that you're not like, because this is the thing that I think about. You're not competing with the 24 year old guy at the party whose metabolism hasn't slowed down yet, who hasn't, like started losing testosterone yet? Like you're a 42 year old guy at a party, you're not
that and I think that, you know, when we talk about toxic masculinity, a lot of that brings up what I refer to as comparison culture. Yeah. Where we really, really look at what the other person has, and this in this conversation, I guess what the other guy has, and I think that from my accent, variance and talking to you and talking to just other people that I've dated. That like adolescent comparison experience was really powerful for young men. Would you say that's true for both of you? Oh, yeah. Huh?
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, with sports that I played, like, you know, you do see the guys in when you're changing when you're dressing that like, have the natural cut that I've never had my body's just not made that way. Right. You know? And you do you compare and in that environment you go like, this guy's a, you know, better athlete better ballplayer than I am just because he's got like, he looks like one. Yeah, I mean,
Hannah found, I guess, Hannah, did you find this article? I did. Okay, Hannah found an article from break, binge eating calm. And it talks about body image. It has some great terms and things. And I thought that maybe, I don't know how you feel about this, but maybe we could go through each of these terms. And maybe it's You and Eric could maybe share some of your experiences about it. I think it would be valuable for our listeners to, to hear somebody talking openly about how they how this affected their experience. If that sounds okay to you,
yeah, I haven't seen the terms I saw. Okay. Just exams. Well,
so it's got some terms. Yeah. Okay. So I just asked you both how you feel about your bodies right now. Right. That's one of the terms that mentioned here is just kind of overall body dissatisfaction and just not not feeling great about your body. And, you know, as a, as a woman and somebody have a larger size, like that's been something I struggle with all my life. You know, Max, I know that you have had issues with food and not being happy with your body and you go through times where you don't feel attractive or you do feel attractive, and it seems to you know, come in phases and things like that. Do you think Think that through the course of your life, you've had an overall party, overall positive relationship with your body or, or negative. I mean, it wasn't really a thing
that I thought
about that much except for comparing to other people and comparing to other dudes when I was young, because I had that young man's metabolism, you know, I put on muscle pretty easily when I was trying to put on muscle. So I've gone through this thing, since I was a teenager where, you know, I would be in an environment where I was working out a lot, I'd get in good shape, whether it's because of sports or for sports, or just because the dude I was hanging out with were gym people, you know, and I'd get in really good shape. I'd be in good shape for about a year, and then I wouldn't be you know, and stop, start putting on weight. And I went through that over and over and over again test and when you and I started dating, I was cycling a lot.
Yeah, and I was
huge. I was 30 pounds. Lighter than I am today. Yeah, yeah. And I had, like, hard, like big, hard thighs. And I didn't like my body then because I felt small. Right? So, you know, I was starting a physical job then. Well, I'd been in a physical job then for a couple years. And once I stopped cycling, my body changed again, my shoulders got bigger and wider. And I also put on a lot of weight over the next few years, but that 30 pounds on and, you know, okay, then then I decided that I wanted to be in better shape. So, you know, it took me a couple years to get in at what 38 or so to get in the best shape of my life. I was in better shape and happier with my body at 38 than I was at 18. You know, I was a lot bigger and that was the main thing about it was that I was bulkier and I felt happy with the bulk that I had and then you know, like gets in the way and you get lazy and you stop going to the gym so much and then you stop going to the gym at all. And I am where I am today, which is I'm not happy with my body, but I'm okay with my body. I'm okay with how I look, you know, I could lose my beer gut. That would be a good thing. But yeah, I didn't answer your question at all. What was your question? No, just like, um, you know, if you look back over the course your life has your relationship with your body been more positive or negative? I mean, we're talking about body dissatisfaction. Yeah, and I, I think more positive. You know, you mentioned having food problems, and I have like, shame about the way I eat. Because I eat a lot of garbage. And I eat more out of habit than out of like necessity. I like to eat while I'm driving. That's a big problem. That's also one of the reasons my truck is so messy. There are Doritos and shit everywhere. But yeah, so overall, like more positive, but you know, I need I'm not going to I won't say I need to clean out my eating I'm not going to eat like this My whole life I'm not going to change now.
Yeah, I would say that I am similar in that regard but I have no shame in it
constantly and it's amazing low greed snacking. I mean it's it's a healthy snacking. It's not you're not eating Doritos like I am but
like, but it's pork belly
So Eric, what about you like over the course of your life? What's your relationship with your body been like, would you say it's been overall positive or negative? Or where does it come out and watch for you? It's really
in the middle and it's less negative over time. That's good, not more positive but less negative.
Do you Do you find some similarities with Mac's in terms of
cycling through shorter cycles I wouldn't say cut in the summertime but I'm
better in the summertime and Hibernate in the wintertime and put on a few see that I have like not this way. Things are a little different. But usually I get in better shape during the winter because I'm not working as much so I go to the gym more because I don't have anything to do. So you know, that couple hours in the gym four times a week. Yeah, more time does a
wonder of good. Now usually once it starts to get too cold, but I don't really like riding the bike all the time. I just start eating more and going to bed at like eight o'clock. Yeah. And, and I usually will put on I don't know, usually about 2020 pounds in the cold months and then drop it off in the warm months.
Well yeah you know you you will be here one week and then the next week you'll come over and like damn area slim is shit
it's also partly not to do with my own efforts but when you work in a shop that's as hot as it is outside only there's no breeze really yeah
well and that's what it out all day yeah that's actually a like another factor in me losing weight often in the winter is you burn more calories when it's cold and if I am outside in the cold like I burned a lot of calories
Yeah, there used to be that way for me when I worked outside but we have heat in the show.
Have either of you ever one of the terms here is body image avoidance Have either of you ever, you know dressing using to hide your body or
I don't like like beaches and water parks and you know, hot outdoor stuff where everybody's in their. Their swimwear and all that sort of thing. Yeah, really largely just leave it. Don't Don't do it.
Well I don't do a lot of these things because I can't swim, but
I don't do well in direct sunlight Yeah, I
don't think that I have avoided those situations on purpose for that reason. I think that you know, often one finds that there are more people that look like you than you expect there to be.
Actually better nothing to do with it. It's more like to go back to you don't get to see this
kind of along those lines. Yeah. Fine. I won't really think Marilyn deserves him.
Yeah, I look forward to our beach vacations at night. Do either of you think that you've ever experienced body dysmorphia? Where you have thought negatively about your body? But those have been skewed thoughts are not actually the reality where
yes yeah, not drastic, but yeah.
I wonder if I do because I will talk about my body and you or Hannah, or you will tell me that I'm not being realistic about my body. So I wonder how much that is just a partner, someone who cares about you, you know, telling you nice things.
As opposed to see me,
dude. Yeah, skewed vision of myself. Yeah,
the partner can also skew that vision in the opposite direction. That's true. That's true. We see what we want to see our penis all the time?
Hell yeah. Okay, um, well, you know, I think I think that, you know, just as a whole, all of these are really, really common things. But we don't hear men talking about it.
Well, I don't want I don't really know why. It is a double standard to have to ignore gender or what Whatever traditional gender roles blah, blah, blah in this direction, but not in that direction. Meaning that guys could just get over it and be okay with it and talk about stuff like that. But we're not really set up to be that
way. Well, yeah, we're not set up to support each other in any kind of way. We're set up we're sidedly conditioned, we're conditioned by evolution, we're conditioned by whatever, to be competitive. And not to like support other people and certainly not to say nice things about other dudes. Right appearance,
but you know what I've like? One thing that I will say about you too, in the pod is that you two have complemented each other and tonight saying nice things about each other's clothing and each other's bodies just over the course of time since we've since we've formed this little tribe or what have you. And that's then pleasant to watch. I think that there's an I think that with the podcast, you know, Earlier when we answered the question, what's one of the hardest things about the podcast? I think that there's a lot of opening up that we do. And while that may not be a hard thing, I think it is certainly a vulnerable and kind of emotionally difficult thing. And I've seen you both open up in a way that you don't just generally do.
Well, where I was going with the rest of what I was saying earlier was that guys experienced the exact same sorts of insecurities, right? It's the double standard lies and the acceptance to express it.
Well, I think should express it and I'm glad you are expressing it.
And one of the list of key terms that we were just looking at one of them something about body checking, or whatever, which like, is so common that it's a punch line on TV shows and movies is like guys flexing in the mirror and like older dudes sucking in their guts in front of the mirror.
I mean, this is a thing That our son does constantly and it's a thing that, you know, I, I don't know how to help him because he has some severe bodies, more severe issues and but he constantly looks in the mirror, any reflective surface, he stops and he looks and he looks at his body and you know, just the other night I was dropping off Chinese leftovers and I and I dropped them off and he was wearing his thermal like underwear shirt and a pair of shorts. And he was talking about his torso and talking about like trying to get ready for the beach the summer and wanting and he's you know, he's tiny and fit and strong. And I think that only
works on that time. Yeah, he's
young. Yeah, he's just 19 and yeah,
yeah, but I do think he is a stronger case of it than I did it. Yeah, sure. Yeah. You know, I think that he's in a environment where there is more comparison and definitely, you know, with Instagram models and usually Plenty of plenty of people to look at absolutely no bad way.
Absolutely. And there is a and there is a definite male beauty standard. That is, I think has changed definitely over time. I mean, you don't see your you know, your no ABS haven't waistband up to your nipples, like carry grants. Right more you have, you know, everybody's ripped. Well, yeah. And I think unless you aren't and then you're a comedic lead,
right? When I was his age, I feel like the guys in my own life, not people on TV and stuff like that. But the people that I saw in the real world, the guys that I thought were strong, tough dudes. Were just kind of normal looking guys, they might be big, you know, but they were just kind of normal looking guys, they weren't guys who had ever seen the inside of a gym, right? You know, all of the guys that were around my dad and around my uncles and stuff and some of them that I thought were just saying toughest badasses that I've ever seen. They just look like somebody's dad because they were just somebody's dad. You know?
Yeah. Well, I'm a friend, I saw a friend talking about how they really wanted to wear hipster clothing. And they wish they could fit into like all the hipster clothes. Well,
there's your fault. Well just don't want to wear hipster clothing.
No, I think it's okay to wear hipster clothing. So
I sent them a message on how to wear whatever you want to wear.
I will I also say that most people like hipsters, Well here it is a hipster
is the hipster hipster
and then most people are talking about a newsboy you're talking about your thing.
My assignment my thing. Oh, my thing was that so I said I sent my friend a message and I said, Hey, you can absolutely wear these things. Your body's great like you should definitely wear this stuff if it if that's what you want to wear. And the response I got was really like yeah, and you know, I like I like all ask questions about what Should I cut my bangs or stuff like that on things like social media, Facebook, I talk about my body on Facebook a lot. I talk about body, body positivity, I talk about being fat. Because I'm just kind of out there, all over the place as who I am. And, you know, I, like I get a lot of positive response from women. And, like, I feel like men aren't part of that part of that conversation. And I think that men really need to be part of the conversation and we need to be more inclusive.
So in summary, and it was getting ready say something I'm sorry.
Oh, no, I was just gonna go back and qualify what I said at the beginning of the conversation. So now that I have listened, yes, if it's my party, I want more people to be naked, but that's because I want more people to be comfortable. So yeah, however you are comfortable and best equipped to enjoy the party and engage with your surroundings is
great, not a competition to talk about who's best equipped
I don't know you're talking about larger context earlier and I was about to lose it. So
can we just talk about how big shouldn't always be a punch line?
So I don't think they should I yeah, they shouldn't be a punch line and
smell deck should be.
We haven't So one thing we haven't talked about his dick pics. Yeah. as a as a person on the internet. I have received many a dick pic in an unsolicited fashion. I don't normally solicit dick pics. That's not really a big thing that I asked for. There have been partners that I've asked them for. Eric is a very anti dick pic.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm so sorry.
That's not necessary. I just see it in person. Yeah.
As you were saying,
as I was saying, so like Max, have you sent a dick pic? Hell yeah.
Do you send them unsolicited?
No. I am fortunate. I guess to have had Several partners generally a partner at a time, who likes receiving pics and will ask for them. And in that context, I enjoy sending. But as with all things, consent is key.
Hey, why is your camera going? No, yeah,
I'm trying to do the job.
Well just choose a trumped up everything so you can take a picture of the dog, you didn't have to stop anything. I was done with my statement. You were asking the question and I answered it. Thank you. Okay. What else? What else should we say about the pig?
Well, I think you know, why do we think men send them unsolicited,
the same insecurity that dictates that they wouldn't want to show it in a different context. When you explain that in a well now you're forced to look at it kind of way. Or in a in the in, in a it's not at all anonymous, but in the anonymity of doing It with technology. Yeah. Yeah, there's a separate like safety at being at the other end of it, which is really kind of stupid Axelsson saying once you've done that, and then they can screenshot that ship and send it everywhere that I think
there's a boom. As privilege is the right word, I think there's a mount an amount of like entitlement. There's an amount of entitlement of saying I am entitled to force this upon you. Just fucking though but I'm also like safer doing it at the other end of the phone line rather than just whipping out my deck at the office to show it to.
Okay, so. So following that line. So if you flashed somebody in public, you'd be on the sex offender list, right? If you whip your dick out of office, you would lose your job and be on the sex offender list, right? So if you send somebody a picture of your genitals, unsolicited, that's still not a crime as perfectly illegal for you to send a picture of your penis to somebody without their permission. That's not a crime. It's perfectly legal for you to send a pornographic image to somebody without their permission. That's not a crime. Right? So but if you split if you got naked on the street, or you fucked in front of them on the street, that's a crime. Right? So what changes it between it's happening on screen and it's happening in real life?
Oh, nothing. I mean, I think I don't think you can find disagreement here. Right. I think it's just
I know, I'm hasn't caught up.
Yeah. Okay. So that well, that's what I'm, that's what I'm trying to inspire is like, you know, does everybody agree that there's no difference? Because this is what I tell people when they send me unsolicited dick pics. I tell people I did not consent to that. If you did that to me on the street, I would call the cops and I also do things like what would your mother
so I will say both of those are equally wrong things to do. And violations of consent but I would be much more frightened in person because Don't fear for my physical safety. If I receive an unsolicited nude photo, that's true. There are circumstances in which I would, but that, you know, usually there's at least enough of a barrier there to be like, okay, I didn't like that. So I'm never gonna interact with you again. And I have that choice in that moment. Yeah, this
is a red flag and there's the guy that's gonna do that on the street is not doing that in your home. Well,
yeah. That guy on your butt, the guy on your, on your phone?
That's in a lot of ways more obtrusive.
It's very important. Yeah.
Especially if that's somebody that you're talking to about potentially dating or something like that. It's it's a minor consent violation that lets them find out how you're going to react to that kind of more major concern, pushing a boundary. And typically people who are like that if they push that boundary, they're going to push other boundaries, and I consider them unsafe individuals. That make sense. Yeah.
Yeah, it would be interesting. If one were to remove it from reality, and you know, in that people are actually getting hurt, it would be interesting just to know, the statistics on whether incidents of things like flashing have increased or decreased in an age where you can digitally because I remember, you know, as a kid, I can remember it was more common. Oh yeah, girl I knew who would have somebody flashing on the street, there was a thing that was happening a lot in the suburb that I grew up in that there was a guy driving around, and he would call young girls over to his car and he would be naked from the waist down in the car. There was a summer that that was happening a lot. And I wonder if those sorts of things have decreased. Now that you can do it from the comfort of your own sofa?
I always say no, because now you can also record it on your cell phone and upload it to Pornhub as a Pornhub video, and it's called like public jackoff car jackoff right. Um, you know, she watched me like You know, that sort of thing and it's videos of the same dude typically who is, you know, has a problem and is masturbating in public or women there?
Yeah, there's lots of things the Public Library's apparently. According to seven about that,
no, like there are there are lots and lots and lots and lots of cameras. I think that my free cams has a policy about you're not supposed to perform in public, you're not supposed to record in public situations. But there are lots of people who do it anyway, they do it anyway. And they use those remote control the the vibrators that your audience quote, unquote, can control and things like that, and they do it in public and but men do it the same, the same thing. And I think, you know, it's, it's, it's an act of sexual aggression, and it's, it's a crime and so you're committing a crime. And that brings me to Exit action. You're you're engaging in risky behavior to get off. And I think that people who send dick pics are pushing it back knocking on the door of it.
Yeah, absolutely. Well, what's the what's the Oscar Wilde quote? Everything's about sex except for sex, which is about power. I'm like, yeah. So that's that's exerting power over somebody else. dominance as well.
And it comes back to shocking the vanilla, which is a consent violation. And it's doing something that somebody else did not consent to. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Full Circle penis.
That's not how that work. I don't like that. They don't do that at all. In fact, they kind of do the
summary because eating its tail
if they don't have tails So in summary, let them dongs. Hang my dude's look at us. In an appropriate environment, let them don't hang.
Our dress code says cocktail fetish lingerie or neck it.
Right there the word caulk and pay. It's
got it. It doesn't specify. Just for ladies.
It does not it does not so, let them hang out. Celebrate. Celebrate and Dax.
Everybody celebrate Maddie.
Alright, so, thank you everybody for listening. And I guess we'll catch you next week. Bye. Bye.
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