2:10PM Dec 18, 2019
We just talked about how important this one piece of paper is. And so yeah, that's the worst that could happen. You could get sued and there's so many different issues that could come up. You could get sued by a customer, you could get sued by not complying with the laws, you could get audited by the Federal Trade Commission. You know, there's a lot of rules and regulations that you have, we have to abide by as business owners, whether in the traditional sense or in the online world. Hey, guys,
it's Mike Dimitar line. Today we're talking to a mirror law from a self guru.
Happy New Year. is like you should have a tribe name. I don't know. Maybe you can help come up with like what a tribe name should be. Should be off to I'm just not very good at that. Sort of Just cuz I'm British,
and American accent
Anyway, I'm just stopping in at the start just to say the next month so January this next month we've got three pretty awesome guests on. And the whole point of is going to kind of show you three different people at different stages of their sort of online marketing business career. So today is a mirror and she's been blogging for like 18 months. Next week will be Calvin Klein from the savvy couple and he's kind of just started ease quits full time job and yeah, is scaling is big. He's been doing it for maybe like three, four years, I think something like that now, and then the week after be Michele Schroeder gardener, who if you don't know is like the blogging Queen lady who Yes, she's been doing it for years and makes stupid money but Anyway, just so you know, that's what the next three, three weeks are just to sort of set us up for the rest of the year, get different people at different stages of their journey, and hopefully inspire us all on to do amazing things in 2020. Anyway, I'm really excited about this chat today, because emira is one of those people who just seems to be good at everything. And I don't think it's coincidence. I don't think it's an accident that happens either. And the reason I'm saying that is because I get some people that just say, I just don't have the time. I don't have the time to do a side hustle or blog or whatever it is, they don't, they just don't have the time to do it. And I think this is a perfect example of someone who is a full time lawyer. And in the last 18 months, it's been incredible what she's managed to do. She didn't know anything about blogging this time, 18 months ago, and I'm going to let her tell you this story of what stage she's at now. But ya know, is absolutely amazing what she's managed to do. And she's used her law background to actually help bloggers and other people, other online entrepreneurs or entrepreneurs in general. to actually make sure that they are protected in their business. And she has a really interesting story as to why that happens. Hope you enjoy it, guys. So a mirror, I was actually just reading some of your about story on your about page and stuff. And one thing that really struck me is that your dad was sued in his second year of his business. Yeah, he had like $100,000
yeah. What What happened?
It was as you know, I always say that it was my first heartbreak. Seriously, I don't think anybody could ever hurt me as much as that lawsuit. It was devastating. I was not a lawyer yet I was in college. And as a matter of fact, that's one of the reasons why I became a lawyer because that lawsuit lasted an entire year. So my dad was a, you know, new entrepreneur and he didn't know any better. So he ended up hiring a freelancer to help him out with his business. And he didn't bother getting into any legal contract or anything. And it was a handshake deal. And you know, back in the day, that's just how people kind of operate, especially if you're, you know, in the traditional sense, like you nowadays, you know, people are a lot more savvy and they make sure to protect their online business. So I mean, my dad was an online entrepreneur, but still, he was more of the trusting kind. And so he ended up having this Freelancer and next thing you know, he got slapped with a huge lawsuit and we felt like we were being punished for being the nice guys, you know? Yeah. And it's just the you just never know what could happen. So that lawsuit was it really turned our life upside down, I was working, I was going to school and I was also helping dad figure out all the legalities working with his lawyers to fight the case. And, you know, in the end, we settled, but still, like, you know, that's one year of no sleep, you know, losing our appetite. And literally, my dad got broke, and we had to start all over again. So that's one of the big reasons why I hate to see any other entrepreneurs facing that kind of a legal mistake, because I feel like a lot of legal mistakes and just my experience of working as a lawyer, I've been doing this for nine years now. I see that a lot of legal mistakes that entrepreneurs make, they can be easily avoided. And if only we were just proactive than reactive, you know, and if you have a business, my thing is that always make sure to protect your business legally, because you never know if anything like that could happen to you when you least expect it. Next thing you know, your whole business is just shut down in a split second.
Yeah, well, I think covered as well, like you said, it was just one piece of paper basically, that prevented him from, that whole thing could have been prevented if you just had that one piece of paper. And just crazy, just a piece of paper is, you know, it's not really something you think about is it, but it's amazing how it can have such an impact.
Such a huge impact and not just and you know, I always say this, Mike, that when you get sued, it's not you're the only one that gets sued. It's your whole family that suffers with you. If you have kids, you know they're going to cry with you because no kid is want to want to see their parents going through that kind of financial and emotional trouble, right. So it has such a huge impact on just not you as a person, but your entire family, your spouse, your kids. So yeah, like you just said it is a piece of paper and we don't think about the significance of that paper. But until of course it's too late. So yeah, it's It it's really really important to to be smart about your business.
Yeah, well, I'm obviously you didn't just do nothing about it. It's it's obviously triggered something inside you, which really made you realise you want to actually figure this out and go and do something about it. So you didn't just go got hit with a lawsuit, you know, what am I going to do? You actually went out your way and then became a lawyer. So is this the exact reason why you did or you already started to think of doing that before that happened?
No, this was definitely a turning point for me in my life. And actually, as a matter of fact, when this incident happened, I was becoming a doctor like I was actually taking I've taken all the medical courses I was a biology major and also a sociology major. So I, I was going to go to med school and I becoming a lawyer was not really on my mind. But then when I when we got slapped with this and like I said it lasted an entire year. Was it just really changed my perspective on things and just helping my dad figure out all the legal stuff dealing with his lawyers, I was the poor front person, you know, and I even worked for free. I try even became apparently good during this time frame only because he just really wanted to understand that what was going on and I wanted to help my dad as much as I could. So yes, that was for sure. A huge factor. And then also, it turned out that I loved it. Because just being a lawyer became no In other words, if I compared it to medical school, they called organic cam and biology and everything that I was learning, I felt like that was just me, learning and regurgitating, but law just came natural to me. So there was a huge difference. So I think that yes to having my dad's you know, lawsuit was a huge triggering factor. But I think the other important aspect was that I truly enjoy being a lawyer. And I think if you don't have a passion for something, you should never pursue it. You know, and So many lawyers are unhappy because they don't like the law. And I, I know, because I'm friends with them, but I just don't Luckily, I don't have that problem. So, so yeah, that was the other big reason that I became a lawyer because I just wanted to help other people like my dad and and just, you know, wanting to really understand the business side of law. And that's why my specialty is a business that I'm a business lawyer.
Yeah, that's so good. That's so true, what you said as well, actually, about how you have to really love what it is that you're doing. Otherwise, you're just kind of always going to be a little bit unhappy. In fact, yeah, I read in. Have you ever read the happiness advantage? But it's a it's a really interesting book, but he sort of says, How quite often what you're thinking about so I've spoken to you before, obviously, you sort of get up early and do your meditation and things like that. But a lot of what you're actually thinking about, can then sort of a knock on effects on your happiness levels and things like that. And I've heard actually, lawyers are Some of the most prone people for that exact thing happening because you're always sort of trying to find the fault or find, find the negatives and stuff. Yeah. And so because you're always looking for that, it then can translate into your life. But like, yeah, say if you have a passion for it, and you're just, you know, you're good at it, then I think that won't have the same impact as it would on a lot of other people. So it's really interesting you say that?
Yeah, I know, you, you You nailed it. You're absolutely right about that. And your thoughts do translate into your reality, you know, and, yeah, if you're constantly thinking like that, and you're analysing the wrong way, and you just always looking at the negative, then yes, that's gonna I do I truly believe that that would, you know, have a impact on how your life turns out.
Yeah, definitely. And so then, obviously, being a lawyer, and then blogging are two very, very different thing.
How did you kind of start Moving into the blogging side of things, what made you realise it was even a thing.
I honestly might never even had blogging on my mind, I knew that I wanted to use my legal and business expertise in a very global sounds like helping as many people as I could. And I knew I wanted to get into some sort of an online business. But blogging was never ever on my mind until I came across a YouTube video of two six figure bloggers. And then that just got me inspired to start my blog the next day. I am the kind of person who just doesn't waste time because it's a lawyer mentality, time is money for me. So if something is going to spark an interest, then I'm going to go ahead and take action and act on it. So that's just how it all started. But I'm really glad that I was able to incorporate into you know, a business that where I'm using my business and legal skills and helping other entrepreneurs, you know, because like I said, that was my goal, from the Beginning that I wanted to make a global impact, and I just didn't know the blogging will become that medium for me.
Yeah, that's my I actually think I know who the two six figure bloggers are was it was Alex and Lauren fetishizing. You heard them say that I've actually had Alex on the show before. And he actually even said in on the podcast, he has something like seven or maybe eight or maybe even nine, six figure bloggers who have kind of gone through his course and they are actually six figure bloggers, believe it or not, I believe you are one of them.
Yeah, I believe so too.
That's pretty incredible that you're kind of making that that connection stuff. So obviously that was one of your Did you take any of their courses or anything or what did you do to get started?
I actually I took their best course which was their problogger bundle and I think it has all their courses and I literally just took that that was how I started my blogging journey. And then in seven days, I launched my blog while working full time as a lawyer, I still work full time as a lawyer. And I yeah, that's exactly what I use to get started. But ever since then, you know, I've also made other important blogging, you know, investments in my business, other business resources that I needed to grow my blog, so, but yes, that's how I started and then rest is history, as they say.
And so, did you always have this idea of kind of how once you started doing the blog, you always have this idea you're gonna you're gonna make some sort of product or something to help people with law. And obviously, I've seen like, you've got the the legal bundle and your legal contracts and stuff. So wondering if you could just kind of explain a bit more about what they are and what they do.
they were worth $900 or something each those bundles or is that what you said?
Is that what you said? So?
Yeah, so the bundle You mean, the legal bundle, the legal bundle itself is like a lot more than that. Yeah, it's worth a lot more. It's a lot Yeah, because each template, you know, if you do the simple math, like if I'm writing, you know, one legal policy that is about, I would say, 10 pages or something, and then you're hiring a lawyer, even if you're hiring me at $350 an hour, which is my rate, and you do the math times, you know, if it takes me two hours to put together that professional legal document, it automatically becomes, you know, 700 or, or up $2,000 per document, you know, and so, but when you buy a template, you're you're getting essentially the same quality of professional work because it's written by a lawyer that you can trust, but you're not paying that big, heavy price tag. It will make sense. Yeah. So you're able to you're really able to snag it for such a low price because, you know, because it's a it's a template, it's a product, I created it already so I can you know, I can help thousands of people versus if you were to hire me, I can only help one person at a time.
Yeah. I'm just kind of thinking like, if I was listening to this just even, like this time last year, I'd be thinking, yeah, but I'll be all right. You know, I'm sure I'll be fine that what's the worst that can happen? Like, can you can you explain that? What is the worst that can happen if you don't have these templates? What he's
Oh, yeah, not 100%. But
I'm still thinking like, if this was me even just this time last year, I'd still be thinking I could probably do it myself. I could, you know, I could, I could research it. I could probably write it like, what, what is the difference between someone trying to do this themselves and getting an actual lawyer to write it for them?
Okay, yeah, no, great question, Mike. So here's the thing. I have audited tonnes and tonnes of legal templates and my years are practising. And the problem with that is that yes, you could put together something. But the question is that Do you have the expertise to even know what legal language needs to be in there? You could maybe out of five put together two things yourself, but if you don't even know and you don't have the legal knowledge, and you don't have the experience, and how would you even know that what language is missing in your legal pages? So this is Just Just don't
know what you don't know
what exactly it's like me starting a blog without having the foundation and just thinking, Oh, I can wing it. Yeah, a lot of people can start a blog, right, and they can just do it themselves. But is Does that mean that that's the best use of their time? Or does that mean they have every single tool that their disposal to really make six figures? No, they don't. They're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna really take you know what I'm saying. So it's the same concept here like you could, you could try to put together a piece together things from Google or anywhere else. But that doesn't mean it's going to be comprehensive. That doesn't mean it's going to be fully compliant with the law. And it also doesn't mean that it's going to protect you when you do get into legal trouble. So a lot of times, I'll give you another example. What happens in my legal practices, a client will come in the office and they they got sued. So I'll ask them, Hey, hey, can you show me the contract that you entered into and they literally put a pull out a piece of paper and that they you know, piece together and It's not professional, it doesn't even have the legal provisions in there to protect them. And I'm like, Well, I'm sorry, I can't help you. At this point, you didn't do the necessary stuff that you were supposed to protect yourself. It doesn't have the legal language in there for me to go to court and fight for you. So it's just you know, so that's the principle here. Like you just said, if you don't know what you're doing, you're not going to do it. Right.
Yeah. What what would happen if, if I didn't have the legal things, so these three legal documents on my page, something happened, say you got hit by lawsuit. And then when maybe I need to get the legal things and they'll go to a mirror and go and get it. Now, what would actually happen there? I'm guessing it's not going to be any use.
Exactly. It won't. It's too late at that point. I mean, you still need the documents to make your website legal and compliant. There's no way around that because now you got sued. Now you really have to, you know, make it make sure that you're doing it. Everything accurately so you would still need the legal documents but it's not going to help you with the lawsuit because now it's too late now you you still will be stuck with the fines if you got fine and you're you're still stuck stuck with fighting it and paying lawyer fees and things like that. So, you know, it's too late. It's the same situation like with my dad, you know, now of course he has a contract with every every transaction he makes or every deal that he makes. But that doesn't help the fact that we already lost money and that when you did get sued, he had to you know, go through that so it doesn't it doesn't help after the fact
Yeah, hundred percent so that you have other legal contracts as well or is it? Is it just those three?
Oh, no, I have tonnes and tonnes of legal contracts and templates I would say more than 10. Right now, if you visit the legal store on my website, you will see it's a self guru calm. And these are all like legal contracts that you need in your everyday business depending on what you're doing. And they were created on because somebody reached out to me and they wanted the specific thing. So every single thing is every single thing that you see on there is actually used by bloggers and entrepreneurs right now. And the legal bundle is obviously the first great start to make your website legal. But then you also need legal contracts in your business to for everyday stuff. Like for example, if I hire a freelancer to help me out with graphic design, social media management, or even if I hire, hire a virtual assistant, I know you're going to need a contract with that person, right? So in that case, you get a freelance contract to protect yourself and also, you know, just each other financially and legally, and, you know, then I have an interior design contract bundle that's perfect for just interior designers. So there are some legal contracts and templates tailored to that specific business. There's tonnes of templates, you know, there's a nondisclosure agreement, which is also something that I Use that that's like the first thing I do. Like, for example, if we're collaborating on a joint venture, or project or if I'm even hiring a virtual assistant for my own business, that's the first thing I would sign because you want to make sure that you protect the confidentiality, confidentiality of your business. So that's non disclosure agreement. There's a sponsored post agreement. If you're collaborating with brands and you're writing sponsored blog post or producing any other kind of sponsored content, there's an agreement for that, that you would use with the brands. There's a guest blogger agreement. You know, if you're accepting guest post on your blog, you want to make sure you have the right legal jargon and also the guidelines that you need to have to protect yourself. And you have that you have a media release agreement, coaching agreement, LLC operating agreement, again, there's tonnes of tonnes of that if you just go to the website, you will be able to see what each of those agreements are and then how why they're so important, you know,
amazing. Yeah, no, I didn't Think of those sort of things actually, you know, obviously like freelancers and people that you're hiring, it's really important to make sure you actually have the right legal stuff in place, isn't it? Because even though you're technically not employing them, I guess there's always a contract and stuff that needs to between the two of you, like you said, isn't even what happened to your dad, it was just a freelancer.
Yeah, it was a freelancer we I because you're working you know, when you're working as a freelancer, let's say if I'm even if I'm the freelancer, and you are the client, we both need the contract to protect each other. I am the one providing the you know, the writing services. For example, if I'm providing writing services, blog editing, or social media management to you, I want to make sure I get paid on time, I want to make sure that, you know, you're you're not going to be a client that just doesn't pay and I want to if you don't pay what happens, you know, is there a lead fee I can charge you, there's so many things in a legal contract that needs to be there. So and then from your perspective, you want to you know, retain ownership of The intellectual property that I produce for you, right? If it's a graphic, if it's a blog post you want to be at the end of the day, you have ownership of that. So how are you going to have that it's that contract that specifies that. So there's tonnes of legal, you know, provisions and all my templates are like very comprehensive, like, you know, because like I said, I do contracts for a living. So it's my passion. I love it. And these are templates that I would I personally use for my own business, so you know, that they can be trusted. And I, yeah, so at various stages of your business, depending on what you're doing, you're going to need different kinds of contracts. And I'm always asked every other day like yesterday, I produced a new one, you know, it's a sweet sweepstakes agreement because people love to do contest giveaway giveaways. But there are a lot of legal rules that you have to abide by, you know, yeah, to make sure that your your giveaways are legal. So there's a template for that and things like that. So and I've always done my market research and comparison and my prices are like always 300 Five times lower than what other lawyers are charging for the same legal templates.
So is them is that is the other I'm guessing is that set prices for each one? Can you share maybe like what is what you would recommend you know, like a brand new blogger what is like the the bare minimum what what do they need to get first of all, and how much that would cost from you in comparison to like a lawyer.
Okay, yeah, sure. So the first is the legal bundle to make your website legal. And then the other really popular templates that sell really fast are sponsored blog post sponsor called cause sorry, sponsored contracts. template that one is if you are producing any kind of sponsored content, that one usually gets sold like right with the legal bundle. And and as a matter of fact, if you get the legal bundle you I think you get like a discount on it. So I make it easy to be able to give you everything that you need. So yeah, that one is really important. And then you lie as I mentioned the freelance contract like that one is near and dear to my heart. And that one is also very important because it just so versatile right? Like it fits in any kind of situation if I am doing any kind of freelance work for you, I can use it or if you're hiring, if you're the client, you know hiring someone else, you want to be able to able to use that so it fits in so many different kinds of categories and freelancing. So that one gets sold really fast. Then there is the non disclosure agreement. That one is that one goes hand in hand with the freelance contract template because if if you're hiring any employees or even if you're hiring just independent contractors to help you in your business in various stages, then you're going to want to make sure that you enter into a non you know, non disclosure agreement before you give them access to the back end of your business. For example, you know, where I give someone access to my WordPress WordPress to let even do a blog editing or SEO editing or anything, I want to make sure that my information is going to be kept confidential, it won't be shared with other parties. So, yeah, so you're going to want to have that agreement again. And you have an affiliate agreement, which will then is another really popular one, everybody these days who have who has a product or a service is going to want an agreement with their affiliates, like they have affiliate programme, like I have an affiliate programme for my products, right. And if you have a product, you're going to want an affiliate programme and so many people do these days. So but what about the affiliate terms and conditions? You know, so those are things that you're going to want to have in place before your affiliate start promoting your products because you don't want to be legally responsible for their mistakes. You know, in affiliate marketing as you as you may know, Mike, there's a lot of disclosures and disclaimers that you have to make under the Federal Trade Commission and you just don't want your affiliates to start promoting your products and not comply. With those rules so
so there's just just I'm thinking I need to get so many things in place I'm gonna be heading over to your website and getting all this stuff make sure I've got all of it right because you know what it's like you you get something when you first start and you think oh yes that's that that will do you know you you sort of yeah beyond yeah I definitely need to even review just everything just just go through yeah yeah no it sounds like such a good way to do it though you know rather than like you say Robin and paying a lawyer to write everything up for you it's all the bundles are just there for you. And then I'm guessing what do you did you just have to like copy and paste that your own things in you know, so I put my outline wherever it's supposed to go and things right.
So each template you know, if you go into the testimonials page, you'll get a better understanding of how it is because I have actual videos and I have you know, written and people have actually written a lot of reviews so you will have a great insight into what the template looks like. But just to kind of give you just to answer your question, so each template is very easy to customise. I drafted it in such a way where it won't take you hours or anything you know. So in less than 30 minutes, you have some blank fill in the blank kind of fields which I've highlighted for you I've given you instructions exactly what to input based on your information then you just do that and then in less than 30 minutes or so most people it really takes 30 minutes and then you're done and you start using it immediately for your business so it's like instant gratification.
Yeah. Just put it straight on your website and then it's good to go and that's it
exactly is that
you need to sign anything or get it signed off by anyone or anything.
Brilliant. Yeah, sounds super simple. And
obviously, you've done you've done a lot and when did you actually start blogging? Like, when did you actually start? When was it that you saw Alex and Lauren's video?
It was last year. I think it was July of last year. Wow.
So you've done all of this in the space? Yeah. Yeah, we know, December is almost Christmas. Ya know. So you've done all of that. 18 months, not even.
Not even Yeah, like a year and a half right? Not even Yeah, yeah, exactly. I don't
know if I, I think I did ask you, but I don't know if I'm allowed to say, I know you do that building income reports and stuff. But last month, you made a ridiculous amount of money from from vlogging 35,000. Is that right? Yep. Yes, Bill. Hello to say that I wish I had it out.
No, you're allowed to say that I am. I've been transparent about my blogging income.
That's incredible. So and you're still a full time lawyer lawyer? Yes. I mean, is, is listening to this and they're hearing right. So there's a full time lawyer, one of the most demanding jobs in the world who's making $35,000 a month from blogging as like a side hustle.
Yes. What has she
done? What she must have done? You need to tell us your secret is that Like, why is it the courses or tools or tips or tricks? Or what is it just you?
Oh, it's it's actually two things. First is just like you said, I invested in tonnes of tools and courses I didn't just stop with the crate and go products I continued on with any other you know, tools I needed to grow my business. So if I was a knowledgeable about SEO, then I took a course for that. If I wanted to learn about sponsored blog posts and working with brands, I took a course for that I'm just the kind of person that who uses her time really wisely and I'm over the years I've gotten great at maximising my limited time and I work really well under pressure. So how all of those things are Oh, yeah, just
how would he use your limited time so well.
So you know, I wake up really early. I will. I know you and I have had conversations about this, but I wake up like a for something and the first thing I do is I prime myself for the day. I think that's a really it's really important how you yourself every single day. And that sets the tone for how your day is going to progress. So I get up, I do my meditation for a few minutes and get myself ready focused for the day. And then after that I spend a few hours just working on blogging, I and you know, in the mornings, it's very nice like I'm naturally not a morning person. But this is a routine that I had to I had to change myself because if I wanted to use my time wisely, this was one of the things changes I had to make. And so I've been doing that for this entire year. And it has really helped me a lot and then of course, I go to work, do my thing. And then I come back and I spend another few hours and then I work my butt off on the weekends.
This is my theory on this whole morning thing. And those are people say that I'm not naturally a morning person. You know what, I don't think anyone is naturally a morning person. I don't think anyone actually wakes up and goes, Oh yeah, I'm super energetic, but I definitely think it's something that anyone can learn along just saying this from personal experience as well because I'm the same I am not a morning person. I've never claimed to be a morning person. But I read the Miracle Morning A few years ago, I don't know if you've read it but you are basically doing the Miracle Morning every morning whether you
realise it or not. Yeah, read it.
And it was just from reading that book. I realised Okay, so I can do this and it's a really good book just explaining you know how you don't always need you know, you don't need things to be exactly how you think they are again, it's that sort of self talk and telling Yeah, I am okay I am you know, I have got energy whereas if you wake up and go, Oh, I can't be bothered to move and hit this news and or the snooze button. That is the thing for me if I hit that button once That's it, I'm done. My whole day is really do I get up straight away and that is the huge thing that I find makes has a knock on effect to the rest of the day and it's a tiny, tiny house. Isn't it? It's just hitting a snooze button. Yeah, but ya know, I think that is something that I hear from so many different people. It doesn't have to be for you, obviously, for you, you're a full time lawyer. So what do you leave to work go to work at like eight or something or seven? 730? Yeah, so obviously you have, it has to be that for you. But for a lot of people, it doesn't have to be that early or, you know, it could be five or whatever. It doesn't really matter. People get fixated on the time. But yeah, I think that's so important though just using the morning because I think that is when everyone is actually their most productive. Whether you think it or not, once you actually learn to wake up. It just makes sense, isn't it you've just had you just slept the eight hours or whatever, so you're not gonna have the most energy that you will for the rest of the day. But
yeah, and the right mindset. Like I said, if you just prime your off and you're you get yourself ready and focused and motivated, you know, and you just get a lot more done. I just get a lot more done during the mornings.
Yeah, hundred percent. And do you do? Do you do any, like special techniques for this time? Or do you just you've got three hours and you just go
I have a routine, like I I'm very goal oriented, results oriented as well. So I have my calendar, and I know exactly what I need to do for that particular morning, I'll schedule it out. And then I just stick to it. I that's that's the key, even when I some days might be tired, and I just don't feel like it. I don't let that feel like it get in the way if that makes sense. I just look at the result. And I just say, okay, gotta do this, get the emotion out of it, and then just go for it, you know? And just make sure just make sure that I knock it out because for me, my progress motivates me. So when I see that, okay, I'm making progress and I achieving what I did what I budget which I which I've set out to do, then that's going to keep me fueled with more energy and more passion to continue doing my work. So that's been my key of success. Like I just stick with whatever is on my agenda for the day. And if for whatever reason, unforeseen circumstances I'm unable to get to it by No problem, but then I'll attack it next day.
Yeah. So I'm guessing as well, most of your income is coming from the blogging, the law bundles and things like your own courses, your own products, I should say.
Yeah, so there's three ways that I make money. The first one that yes, the most of it is coming from my own products, which is amazing. So like last month, the 35,000 that I made out of that more than 20,000 came from selling my own legal templates. So, so that just shows you that they really are. They really are great, and so many people love them. And then the second way, I make Money is affiliate marketing like promoting the products and services that I truly believe in that really, really helped me I only share products that I loved. And so if my audience connects with those, then they you know, then they get those products from me. So my affiliate link, so I make money from that. And then the third way is the sponsor blog post. So that's an area that I would like to explore more in 2020 but I did have some sponsored blog post opportunities this year and so that's another way that I made money.
Cool. Yeah, no, I've had a few people that have said that before. What How did you actually find your first one? Did you go out looking for someone find you
know, interestingly, no, they contact the brand contacted me and I was only like, I was only like maybe my second I don't remember now but it was very early on. I wasn't someone that had massive audience yet. I didn't have a lot of followers. I didn't have a lot of traffic, but I was just contacted by a brand and then I clicked with them, so it worked out really beautifully. But since then I've gotten a lot more opportunities. And I'm just a little picky about which ones I collaborate with, because obviously, it has to make sense with for my audience, right. So things like that. But there's a lot of networks that I'm aware of, because I've taken courses. And so I'm aware of a lot of networks that I could join. I've joined maybe couple, but I haven't joined all of them yet. Because I've been so busy. As you can see, you know, my, my prime focus has really been just creating my own products. I know that there's so many different ways I can make money with blogging, and that's the beauty of blogging, right? You have so many different money making avenues you can do ads you could have, you could offer freelance services, and I do I offer blog coaching and legal audits and if somebody wants to work one on one with me, I do offer those services as well. And, you know, but again, my primary focus is passive income creating my own products and so because I allows me Need to, again make a bigger impact, but also have the flexibility, you know, instead of being tied down with working one on one with people again, I love working one on one with people, but I just can't help as many people as I can with products.
Yeah. What one of the most common things actually that I get. And obviously, you've created products and typically when people create products that don't necessarily need to have as much traffic to make a good amount of money. You know, it's it's quite quite often like a trust thing. And obviously, there's a lot of trust with you, because you're a lawyer, and you're creating law products, which a lot of people don't do. So they all makes perfect sense. But obviously, to get the numbers that you are getting already, you must be hitting a decent amount of traffic. And that is quite often is probably the most common thing I get from New bloggers is how do you actually start getting traffic that when you're brand new, I was wondering if you could share some of the things that you've done?
Yeah, sure. So one of the things I'd I did again I learned this from the blogging courses and I got a head start is to focus on Pinterest right away. So I, you know, Pinterest is not an easy platform to I don't know what your experience has been like Mike. But for me, it was an easy platform to master. And I still wouldn't say I'm a master of it. But I have learned a tonne. And so that's the first focus because that's easy organic traffic. And I focused on Pinterest, I took the courses, I learned everything I needed to learn the tricks, and that has been great for me. And the other mistake I made, which I wouldn't recommend new bloggers do is to wait to do SEO, I think I waited like maybe six months into blogging. And it wasn't until this year earlier this year that I actually invested in a good SEO course and I learned all the things that I hadn't done. So by that time I had already published quite a few blog posts and believe it or not, I had to hire someone to go back and I because of my time limitations. I had to hire someone to go and fix my old blog post and just go ahead and SEO optimise them. But again, this is something I could have easily avoided if I had learned SEO from the beginning. So So yeah, those two are like super important. And I a lot of people make the mistake of just focusing on one or not the other or just waiting to focus on Google SEO until you know, it's kind of too late. Not too late. But you know what I mean, until I would say just focus on it, like right away so that you don't have to go back and edit your posts because it's a lot of pain. And it's a lot of time that gets wasted just doing that.
Yeah. Now, I think it's definitely one of those like, it's a catch 22 to write a thing. Well, you basically, you have to get started, you know, yeah, and unless you get started but equally is such an important thing to know, isn't it because otherwise like you say you just got to go back and redo a lot of stuff. Even if you're not changing old posts, you've then got to like put out new stuff which is as Seo optimised so yeah, notice this really, really valid point that you've made there. Anyway, if going back over the last 18 months, what would you say are some of the like the best things that you found from blogging?
So for me, like the best thing, or the best or my favourite moment or day has was when I received my very first love note from my customer. I don't think that you ever forget your first sale or your first love note. And for me just receiving that testimonial and kind of validating my product idea and telling that customer telling me how much she loved my product. And now it was the best investment for her business. Those are big words. And I remember she summed it up really nicely saying money well spent time well saved, and I couldn't have said it better, you know, and so, just kind of providing that peace of mind and how she said she could sleep better at night. Knowing that her business was legally protected and that to me those have been the highlights. And since then I have received like I've helped thousands of you know, bloggers and entrepreneurs already and I have received like, hundreds of love notes in my inbox Facebook page facebook group and I just couldn't be more grateful because honestly my Google Drive is filled with them and I wish I could frame every one of them like that that that is the reason why I do what I do.
Yeah, notice that is amazing Actually, that's really good as it just triggered something in my head there's no way going back to your legal bundles and things if you bought one bundle I'm guessing Is this a templates you could just use it for multiple websites?
Yes, I don't make you buy again. Right. Some lawyers also make you get because you get a licence to use it on one website right so some lawyers try to you know make more money and try to make you buy again and again if you if it's multiple websites, but I don't do that. Like I feel Like, that's not good practice. That's not business. Good Practice. If you bought bonds for me, I give you the licence to use it exclusively for your website, though, meaning you can be sharing it with a friend. Yeah. Make sense. But if you have like three businesses, and I do, I've had customers with three businesses, for businesses, and they just purchase at one time, and they can go ahead and use it for as many websites of their own as as they need. And same thing with the legal contracts, right? Like you, you just buy the contract once and it's an before you know it, it's already paid up paid off for itself, because you use it like once or twice with your clients or customers, and you're, you know, you've already got the value out of it. Yeah.
Well, that is that is is very, very valid. And I always ask this question towards the end. And I want to try I try and pick a day, a specific day, but for you, I'm struggling whether to go just before blogging, or when you're, I'm going to do it I'm going to go back to when your dad got hit with hit with that lawsuit. So if you can Imagine that day you know how you fell is obviously really shit is not the ideal situation. What would be one piece of advice that you'd give to yourself on that day?
So are you asking just so I understand the question, Are you asking like what advice I would give to business owners or just myself in general or what?
yourself yourself in general that what if you could go back to that day? What would be one thing that you would say to yourself? Just it could be about anything.
Okay, so I think that one I already said it in my business. The big lesson that I learned from my dad's watching my dad make that mistake was not to ever make that legal mistake. And I so for me, it would be you know, just because what we went through I like I said, I wish you No, I was a lawyer at the time, I would have put some sense into him. But I wasn't. So for me, it would be to just really ensure that whatever you're doing, you're protecting it legally, whatever the businesses, small day doesn't matter. So that is one piece of advice that I would have given to myself at that time. And that's what I'm preaching today. And, and I take my own advice, you know, I make sure that if I'm working with anyone in my business, I have proper legal contracts. And honestly, even if I wasn't a lawyer, I would still have those protections in place, because I have seen what happens when you don't.
So I don't mean, but you'll probably you've probably seen that a lot more than what most people will as well, obviously with your with your job. So yeah,
yeah, with my clients. Yeah. And I would also another thing I would say, Mike, is that my dad also wasted a lot, I mean, because of financial reasons, and I get it but another thing is that I wouldn't waste a lot of time trying to figure out everything on on your own. I would you know it, whatever business you start with Whether it's blogging or anything, just learn from someone who's done it, just, you know, use the tools and resources that are available at your fingertips to get the best out of it to really speed up your progress. So, I know that I know you asked me to just kind of go back in memory lane and think of it from that point. But I think that's one thing maybe I would have done differently than what my dad's incident like I would have probably learned these things from someone who'd already done it instead of just jumping in and kind of you know, experimenting.
Well, I guess your results speak for themselves don't know, 18 months in earning $35,000 in a month is you can't you can't complain with with those kind of results. Can you say? It's definitely paying off for you?
if if someone's listening to this and they would just want to get in contact with you. What's the best way for them to reach out?
Yeah, absolutely. So you can always go to my website. website a sophomore calm and that would be a great way to reach out you can also connect with me in my facebook group I have a self group is blocked community that would be a very easy way to instantly connect with me and I just love also getting to know new entrepreneurs and making new blogging friends so definitely I would recommend joining that Facebook group to be able to be part of the network and yeah and if you want to ever work with me personally one on one there's also a section of work with me page on my website. And you could always set up a coaching call or a legal console or whatever else that you need help with in your business or or even just figuring out the legalities of your business. I'm happy to help.
Amazing Amir really appreciate your time. It's been absolutely brilliant to talk to you. And yeah, thanks so much for coming on.
Oh no, thank you so much for having me, Mike. It's been a pleasure chatting with you.
It's kind of like well,
it's on a blog is not specific. Every single person you need it, you need a disclaimer. It's also where you put like your affiliate disclaimers and things like that. Number five, it and i think is my biggest takeaway from this whole chat is pay to learn from others who have done it. She didn't say paid. And she actually said, learn from others who have done it. But I actually added the word pay, because I genuinely think, if you want to, no matter what it is, in life, if you want to get from point A to point B, and someone's already at point B or further than point B, that's who's going to be able to tell you and it's going to save all of this. Imagine you're going along a wiggly windy road and it goes up a mountain and around the hill and like you know, is it cuts out doing all of that and there's the shortcut that just goes straight through the mountain, the tunnel that goes through, that is basically what it is. If you can learn from other people that have done it yourself. Yes, there's Gonna be bumps on the way but still, even if you love others, but it's gonna save so much time. And it just shows what a mirror has been able to achieve. By doing that exact thing. Find something that she needs to learn, she goes and pays for it alone, she then find something else that she needs to do. She goes and learned it pays for it or wherever it is, she just find someone that she can learn from, and does it over and over again. Really hope you enjoyed it, guys. I know it ends up being a relatively long one. But there's so much value in there. And really, really helpful. Thanks for listening in to this episode of Make time online. Be sure to subscribe to our podcast you don't miss any future episodes. And please take a moment to write a review for our podcast in the App Store. keep changing for the better guys. Take care