The U.S. Maker Response to COVID-19
10:53PM Aug 1, 2020
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Hi, welcome back to hold 2020, we're on the eighth day. We're an amazing show we want to give a big thanks to all of our attendees presenters and volunteers and hope this year is helping the Electronic Frontier Foundation with a fundraiser, so please visit hope dotnet To learn more, and make a donation to help us meet our goal, our next session is the US maker response to COVID-19 with Johnny x Miss, remember that story about the TSA key leaks Johnny's with grim security engineering, we're happy to have you here with us and thank you for presenting at hope 2020. Take it away, Johnny.
Hey kids, thanks for coming to my talk today I'm Johnny Christmas. We're going to be talking a little bit about the US maker response to the covid COVID-19 pandemic specifically addressing things that the general populace of the US has had to do to deal with the shortcomings of the government that was supposed to protect it. I'm your host Johnny Christmas, a senior researcher trainer and app sec engineer for Grimm you can find us at Grimm dash co.com or grammar dot rip which is my preferred URL for us. You may recognize me from my previous home talks, this is my fifth or sixth time presenting here, both in panels and solo. I'm usually here doing either a panel on whatever we've done with the TSA keys this year, which now is nothing because we've reverse engineered all of them and there's nothing more to say about all of that. Or I'm on the radio Statler panel every year. Be sure to check us out at Radio dot hope net. We're going live all week long during hope are well have been. By the time you see this video. But we're not going to be talking about messing with the government too much or breaking into corporations and things like that I normally talk about here. Today we're going to be talking about makers and making in 3d printing and things like that, which is something that a lot of the hacker cons in the security constantly focused on but something that hope has really been into and it's kind of been at the core of what hope is, this is my 20th year speaking at hope. I am a very very dedicated hope attendee obviously I was hoping to be able to physically attend for 2020 straight years since htk but obviously this is the best that we're going to be able to get so you're all going to have to just kind of give me credit for this one. Let's talk about what's going on here. I'm going to cover some things that are painfully obvious for all of the US viewers here but because hope has such a massive massive international viewership Do you know all of the really cool European sister cons we have and the people who listen to us from allegedly every single continent I haven't gotten confirmation on Antarctica, but I've been told it's happening. I'm going to cover this for all of you, the US as maybe international news did not have a proper plan in place for a pandemic. At the time the pandemic arrived. We did have one shortly before. What happened was the new administration came in around 2016 as you all know, who heads up that administration and thought it would be wise to take the pandemic team that we had assembled and that had been trained and had put a playbook together and split them up and put them on all sorts of other teams within the administration, allegedly the hope was that if a pandemic did happen you would have one person in each of these teams who really knew what was going on and they would be able to immediately get everyone up to speed and, and we'd hit the ground running anytime a pandemic came, and that absolutely was not at all the case, as you could tell by simply looking at any kind of infection chart related to the US whatsoever. We were not prepared. We knew it was coming. And our administration. In an effort to maintain our economy decided to not do anything about it, including not tell the people about it. If you watched an or and listened to or read international news. You definitely knew the pandemic was happening, and was going to hit us because there was no way it couldn't.
Most Americans being xenophobe because they are don't read international news, and we're unawares.
A listen to what the President has to say and one would think that the President will definitely take care of us because it's his one job. The President opted to keep the economy rolling instead of telling everybody to stay home and bring it to a screeching halt. That, of course was blatantly, obviously. Now, the worst possible decision that could have been made here. And not only because the nobody took any precautions to avoid the pandemic manufacturers of personal protective equipment or PvE weren't able to prepare enough to be able to produce what was needed. When the epidemic. And to date, that's still getting to be a problem. And it wasn't just that like hey it's gonna take us a while to produce that much of whatever to make that many and 95 masks. They did. They didn't have the materials, ready to do this, you know generally the way mass production most things works, it works is you you buy your materials ahead of time, and you try to guess how much you're going to need for the next season for things that roll in seasons, like most medical PV kind of goes in like a seasonal thing, especially if you're dealing with illnesses because you'll let you know we have cold season we have flu season we have you know summers are when the most injuries happen, etc. You can kind of predict when these things are going to happen and what kind of PP is going to be needed. And when what happened here was the US overall needed a 10 times the amount of PV that it normally does. And there was no way that any manufacturer here, or really abroad, had that much of its materials, ready to go, let alone the time it takes to produce anything.
we were screwed. We were stuck with whatever we had available at the hospitals in our homes, what have you, that was it. Many of us hobbyists, and some professional shops and some hackerspaces and things like that said hey we have devices here that we make things with you know the rapid prototyping devices, they're not meant for creating durable goods, but we can make things can we can we, at least start you know I'm one person with one printer, but there's a million of us. If a million of us could print one thing a minute, would that be helpful, and if so, what are those things. And so it came to pass that they said well yeah there's there's certain durable goods that we need, you know, obviously you can't print cloth masks and things but you can print other stuff and they said, here's, here's you know some, some face shield parts and things like that and we'll get into what those are in a second. So okay let's, let's print that, and Shouldn't you know millions of us with all of these printers be able to just start cranking things out really fast, and, and, and, and get the ball rolling and take care of the problem and cut it off at the pass and we'd be all set. Is it 3d printing like futuristic magic where you just hit a button and it just goes to the printer and then you get your coffee and then you sit back and just wait a couple of minutes, and now you have a thing. No, not at all. It's not like that it's not push button, it's not send it to the printer and you're done. It's not like printing a sheet of paper, except that it's a it's a lot like printing a sheet of paper, it's a lot like when you tell your computer to send something to the printer and then you go look at what printed and you said this isn't what I wanted and then you try six or seven times and then you deal with whatever that six or seven of the result was because you have to go home. Except that, seeing how bad the printer screwed up when you're talking about 3d printers can take hours, and it can look like it's working fine. And then, as, then you walk away and then you come back six hours later and then you find out, it made you spaghetti. And you didn't want spaghetti you wanted a millennium falcon if you just waited six hours. And now you have spaghetti. 3d printing sucks. It's, it's great for rapid prototyping it's great for what it is, it was meant to be a replacement for the expensive and time consuming process of creating something in a 3d 3d design program, sending it to a die casting place to have a one mold made, and then they they cast it and they send you back what comes out of that mold. Three weeks later and you go well that's, I got to tweak this and this and so you tweak into your software and then you send that out you wait three weeks with 3d printing. You only have to wait a few hours. It's, it's, but it because of the way it works it's not perfect it's far from perfect, it's not.
It's certainly not great for producing durable goods it's meant to produce something that you look at, and you go yeah that looks good, and then you send the final file over to the injection molding or CNC or what have you. It's not great, because you're dealing with melting and solidifying plastics and polymers, they're affected by environmental factors like temperature and airflow while they're printing, because it prints layer by layer by layer and, you know, none of us live in an atmospherically static environment nobody even has you know a shop or a hackerspace it's atmospherically static air is constantly moving in fact as animals we need the air to constantly move. And so you as the air moves, you can have a one to two degree temperature shift flowing through your printer or around your printer even if the printer is sealed. And that can create differences in the viscosity of the plastic as is printing and then you get misshapen layers or you get it hardening against the nozzle. And then your whole print is failed but because it takes hours and hours and hours to print many things, you're not sitting there staring at it, you're not babysitting it's not like when you send something to your paper printer and then you go right here it comes out takes a second you look at it and go no that didn't work and you go try again. You walk away and you come back to find that your print is just destroyed, it's it's just, it's not meant for mass production, it's meant for producing one thing, a few times, it for those of you who remember the TSA keys talks about 3d printing TSA keys and that's how they got really popular that look anybody with a 3d printer can now have a copy of the TSA keys and it turns out, not, not really. 3d printing has very low tolerances. You can't print anything useful at that level of tolerance, with a 3d printer, except you know, it turned out the three the TSA locks also had really shitty low tolerances and so it was kind of okay for some of them, but you definitely can't mass produce at the level of like PV production plants, for sure. And, and that is a big problem. And yet, that's what we're doing.
We're cranking this stuff out. It's working.
We've got this is actually from
a real a for reals medical facility. These are for reals medical professionals who were extremely thankful to be receiving these 3d printed goods. And what we see in the picture here is, and we'll get into these again in just a little bit. The, the face shields that they're wearing here are made of a 3d printed head bracket, you can see the blue parts going across the top, and then hand cut generally hand cut pet g clear plastic. Because actually, it's, it turned out to be way faster to hand cut it than it is to throw those into a laser cutter. As far as the consumer laser cutters go. The third from the left is actually wearing what I hope is your left is actually wearing a 3d printed respirator mask and I'll talk about those in a second as well. The there's quite a number of things we've been 3d printed, my friend. Monkey 13 sent this image in the center here. We've got the face mask the white thing of the center is the face shield headband. And that's gone through a number of iterations. It originally started as something that required an elastic band to be attached to the backs that would hold it against the head. It had more notches around it, things like that. And over time with everyone working together, they actually started to figure out like hey, how can we make this use less materials, how can we make this print Faster How can we make this work just as well without having to go through all of these assembly steps. And so you can see someone added little temples on there, similar to how, like sunglasses work and hold against your head so that we wouldn't need the elastic band in the back anymore. So now we need less materials and we have less assembly time and that helps us get these out faster. The red and gray and white things with the little notches on them are ear savers and you can see up on up on the top right there, how those work, you know we're working in a world where, and not only medical professionals have to wear masks for what used to be an eight hour shift and is now 1216 1820 hours shift. But everyone who goes outside now has to wear a mask, regardless of mandate like this is what's required in order to get the outbreaks to stop everyone has to wear a mask. And that's super uncomfortable. Everyone hates it. Nobody, nobody is excited to put their mask on, you know, regardless of you know whether you're, you know, doing it because you know it's the right thing to do, or not. Everyone hates it. I hate having to wear mine and they wear it every single time I go outside because I want this crap to be over with somebody made these ear Savers, that you clip, they kind of replace the backs of your ears, and you can 3d print these, these costs me about four cents apiece to make, and I can crank out 70 of these in a day. And they last a long time, they're durable enough, so I could help 70 people every single day with these ear savers and one. My 3d printers probably six or seven years old, and I, and I can make these, and they're super useful. They use no materials dumb little thing, and they make everybody wear their masks, all the time, which is great. We have these respirators, and the top left here. They're, they're made out of a flexible material that you can 3d print it's almost rubbery, and the thinking is that it will conform to your face and create a seal and you put a respirator like an N 95 pad in the front studies are great on these. It's difficult to get a medical you know hermetic seal around your face on these especially if you have facial hair, you know, if you have facial hair you're not getting a seal, and that's that don't bother. But it's not bad, so there was, there was a lot of controversy when when these started being printed and the controversy is really it's around the fact that people think that they're going to be protected and they're not unprotected. It's just not a great solution like if you really need a respirator which most people don't. But if you needed a 95 respirator. Your best bet is to buy one but at the time they were very hard to find. And over here we've got a, what's clearly you know it's a hands free door opener, but it's small enough to be made into a key chain so you just always have it and then you just click the door, you don't have to touch public door handles anymore. Again, 3d printed cheap is how we can crank these out super durable for what little they do. We've also got industrial facilities, who we didn't expect to get involved, making stuff for us, you know we ran out of hand side sanitizer really quickly, and
the producers have hand sanitizer. We're like, we're making as much as we can as fast as we can. We're out of materials, and we can only produce stuff so fast that the machines only goes so fast so you just have to wait. We're working around the clock. I don't know what else to do. But what's the ingredients in hand sanitizer. It's alcohol and a thickening agent, you know, a jailing agent. And that's it. And so all of these, these distilleries, who now, we're not selling anything, because all of the bars had been shut down and nobody was buying anything and even the liquor stores were barely open anymore, they said, Well, you know, what can we do, we can make alcohol. So they started making hand sanitizer. And so, the one of the ones that really hit the news here was the The Jetsons mallord hand sanitizer for those of you who are unfamiliar Voldemort is very very popular. The core from Chicago that's distilled with Wormwood, which, if you've never had worldwide it, it tastes. It tastes like it sounds.
It's, I wouldn't say pleasant. It's extremely better,
but they were one of the first start making hand sanitizer, and they only sent it to medical facilities they said look, this isn't for public consumption, we're making this explicitly for the medical facilities where medical workers needed the most. And of course this was early on in the pandemic when we had, we had a problem with people.
hoarding this stuff.
You may remember there was there was someone in the news where
they had found a guy in I think it was Kentucky who had bought every last bottle of hand sanitizer in the county filled his garage with it and then was selling it on eBay for insane amounts of money that was of course confiscated. And I don't know what happened after it was confiscated and I have to just imagine that the police kept it and use it for themselves because of course they would. But yeah, it was a problem and so the Lord said no, this is not for public sale this is going straight to medical facilities. Stop calling us, but really cool that all these distilleries were able to start contributing in this way using equipment that they had. And in manners that it wasn't necessarily meant for, which is hacking in its purest form, and then also people who weren't so you know mechanically and technically inclined started making things because 3d printers can only make plastic things, you know, distilleries can only distill things. What about all of the wide swath of medical clothing that's needed in these facilities, you need masks you need bonnets you need shoe shoe covers. You need full body suits depending on the environment you might be in. And so, people who had a capacity to sew, or just thought this is a great time to learn took it upon them started selves to start making non disposable masks because the disposable masks again were gone hoarded not being produced not being procured. So what can we do. And this was great, especially because it started really picking up around the time when the studies had started showing that you don't necessarily need an N 95 filteration mask to solve the problem. All you need to do is stop the droplets from coming off of your face when you breathe and talk. And you just need any kind of face covering, you know, even a T shirt is fine and so everyone said well we have tons of T shirts lying around and tons of old clothes that we're never going to touch again, you can make 15 masks out of one t shirt, and they got to work, and they started making them and it was really cool. People started buying up Tyvek and making full body suits out of this Tyvek and sharing their patterns and getting to work and it's just been really cool because this is now very far outside of the realm of like the you know the typical hacker electromechanical chemical engineer stuff this is someone who's just, you know, in the past, would be someone who Oh neat, they make their own clothes Oh neat they can make a shirt. Now they become absolutely critical to stopping the spread of the pandemic here to stopping these outbreaks from happening, potentially the most important people. As far as this stopping these outbreaks has gone is been these people making these masks. This is my friend Rachel here with the two on the left at least, making some really pretty masks as well as these masks here, which are critical for working in facilities where you're dealing with the hearing impaired who are used to speaking or used to lip reading. And so while this is terrifying to look at as a two dimensional image. It's, I assure you it's much, much less terrifying and person. This is a clear vinyl sheet sewn into the mask, it's not a hole cut out that would obviously be exceptionally stupid to put any kind of hole in the front of a mask, why bother. This is a vinyl covering so you still are preventing the droplets from getting spread, while at the same time, being able to not only read the lips, but emote, to be able to tell if someone is happy or angry or sad. So also great for people who can't speak, who need to use their facial expressions to tell you, something's wrong, these masks are for them and Rachel is producing them as well as many other people.
once that really took off we started working together, and you know the makers noticed that there was some place some areas of improvement that could be had or the people who were doing the sewing, you know the clue. I don't know what the, the gender neutral term for someone who sews is, is I don't Taylor is a closest, I don't know. But the, the people who had more experiences all said hey, normally like there's things like this, or, you know, we make sometimes we'll make jigs when we're making large amounts, or producing large amounts of clothing or something like that. It'd be cool if we had a jig for this or that like there's pleat jigs out there but they're not set up for the size of pleats that are normally in a pleated mask and I can't find anything like that. And so then the, the 3d printers and the makers on that side of things went to work and said well we'll make some jigs. And so they started making like you see here, we've got pleat cigs and that's for putting pleats in the mask which allows the mass to be pulled up under the chin and over the nose, which is critical, you know, any number of us, you know we've all gone outside and seeing the people who like just put the mask over their chin and keep going like this or let their nose hang out, like dangly genitals. And it's like defeating the purpose and it's because the masks don't fit right, and they're uncomfortable. This is helping to make a more comfortable mask it's just like the ear savers comfort makes people use things when they're comfortable, they'll go along with it when they're uncomfortable they'll find every excuse possible to not do it. And what we have here is these are called bias tape jigs. I wanted to get into what bias tape does or why you need a jig. But suffice it to say it's critical in making reusable masks and using these jigs saves a lot of time in the band making process. And so again, between this that we've been able to not only make masks more comfortable, which makes them used more often by more people. We've also been able to greatly increase the amount of time, a greatly decreasing amount of time it takes to produce a mask and thus increase the number that we're able to produce in any given day or period of time, what have you. Unfortunately, with everyone saying holy crap we got to get to work right away Let's, let's go let's start making the stuff we got Let's learn I'm going to do it you're gonna do it Let's all do it, we've ended up with this kind of Tower of Babel situation where every social media platform is 140,000 different groups all dedicated to making and distributing various kinds of PBE.
be, because we're all people like us.
We all want to be the most important, and we all want to be the center of attention, even in a time when nobody should be the center of attention when we need to all be contributing equally and not drawing attention to ourselves whatsoever. I've been I was actually I was actually kicked out of one of the largest Chicago Facebook PBE distribution groups, because I kept mentioning another group I was also helping and share I was sharing information between the two. And the woman who ran the Facebook group banned me for this banned me for information sharing.
There are every, every person stood up their own Slack, every person who's making PP stood up a slack and expects us all to check 1000 slacks a day. I already have 1000 slacks. I don't need 1000 more. I don't check one slack today. I don't fees. Please stop. Everybody stood up Google forums, were like hey do you need PvE, let us know here and then of course what happened is a trillion people need PvE so you got a trillion forums, you, and then you've got four people on the other end trying to sort these out. No, I filled one out once, and I got a response. Two months later.
Not to say that that's
a normal that's average but that's it's kind of a thing. People are hoarding materials because they said oh god materials are hard to find. Let's get it all together and start making masks, and
now they've got you know enough
material to, you know, actually start up their own industrial production facility, but only three people sewing, or one sewing machine. That's terrible and then they're not communicating that they have this and they're not setting a means of distributing it and they're going well I paid for this I'm not going to give it all the way you are giving it away like that's the whole point of this is to give it away. They're, they're producing PB that is not up to an acceptable standard they're using say material that's to shear and doesn't catch all your droplets and things like that or like I said you know the mass the rest the, the rubbery respirator masks that don't really work I don't create a proper seal. They're not there they're not answering the what is the problem we're trying to solve question, they're just doing like hey I can make a mask, does it cover your face. It's a mask, I made 1000 of them let's go and it's not, it's not helpful, they're they're doing their their their shooting first and asking questions later they're just cranking out stuff and wasting time wasting materials, and that's of course terrible, but eventually stuff started to congeal. The, the better ideas eventually proved themselves and of course then to spread and prevail. prusa in 3d verka Stan of 3d printing fame, put out some really cool designs for the face shields that were used as little material as possible and they made several versions they kept improving which is really cool. It uses little very little materials possible. And you could print them extremely fast, and you could print multiple per build plates, and then eventually someone figured out how you could actually stack them on top of each other. So you can print as many as your Z axis could handle, and then you could quickly snap them apart. So you could then hit go once things seem to be working Okay, come back the next day, and pending your printer didn't think you said spaghetti. You could have 20 ready to go versus having to check your printer every 15 minutes to swap it and put it, and start it again. The NIH then our National Institute for Health actually certified designs for use in medical facilities they actually said yes, this design is acceptable to be used in hospitals, and this is like from a rapid prototyping like something someone is making in in their home is now certified to the NIH to be used by medical professionals, and they had received so many designs, they had received so many designs for various things that a they couldn't possibly clinically test them all like a clinical test of course takes weeks and weeks and months, sometimes, but they would briefly go over them and go, this looks viable, and they now host a repo and I have links to these at the, at the end of the presentation.
They host a repo of
these designs, where you can go download the 3d printer files and start printing, which is crazy to me. Because like it's how cool how cool is that this government body that certifies healthcare, everything is hosting its own 3d printing file recall they've acknowledged 3d printable 3d printers, as a viable tool in, in fighting the pandemic. And then of course we have all those low tech makes we talked about where they're creating wearables that are super simple for anyone who's even just starting to learn how to sew to make, it's great practice like you want to learn to sew. You want to get your hours in, nothing's going to make you better at sewing than making 1000 masks, I assure you, and to help along with that people who are good at not only sewing, but making patterns started producing these patterns and putting them in PDFs and sharing them and making infographics and how to make various things and sharing them and we all know the internet loves infographics, because a picture's worth 1000 words, infographics are great. They're a great way of spreading information via true or false, and they're a great way of spreading instructions on how to do something. And that's, that's what we had going on here. And that really really helped out. What really took the 3d printing over the top, was hackerspaces getting on board, hackerspaces generally being places that have lots of, lots and lots, or at least industrial class 3d printers to dedicate to the situation. And you know even even, we had libraries that have 3d printer banks for eight printers, you know, even they were doing it. We had YouTube famous YouTubers like. You may remember, or have seen Linus tech tips. Bought a ton of 3d printers and microcenter famous American computer retail chain microcenter donated tons of pet g It's a type of polymer used in medical plastics, to him, and others to start cranking out these wearables as fast as possible. So you started having these, you know, massive facilities that were buying up every last possible 3d printer and putting them together and putting them to work. And that kind of made it so the individual, the people like me who have one printer work really needed for producing medical facility stuff anymore. And that's when we started to shift to things like ear savers or other stuff that we can, that we can crank out on mass versus the, the facial parts that take us a very long time just to print one. Some manufacturers started selling pro level PP or at least pro level PP materials at cost, which is really cool. You know costs, you know, including overhead so they don't go out of business doing this, but making no profit on this stuff is exceptionally cool of them. And then even now, you know the community is continuing to tweak everything to make things faster and better to produce. Let's talk about where we're at right now. It seems like things are going well, that seems like things are getting better here in the US, but it's only because the media isn't looking in the right places, they're only looking to the places that have, you know, PR people who talk to the press. The, we had for a while we had state and municipal entity sometimes that's like city level entities. Purchasing PP direct from China. Now you're buying it from cheap fighter for buying it from China is not necessarily bad, in and of itself. Most of it came from China anyway. But we were getting price gouged on this stuff. We were getting charged way too much and actually what ended up happening is a that caused a new industry to spin up in China, where small business owners, you know, small business entrepreneurs started making their own PvE and then spamming Americans to get us to buy PvE from them because hey we have it nobody else does. And so if you check your spam inbox you almost definitely have an email from some Chinese person offering to sell you these n 95 masks that they started making
this once the states and the municipal municipalities get this PP, the distribution methodology is awful, especially you know here in Illinois, what they've been doing is distributing the PBE to hospitals based on what they think that need is based off of last year's throughput numbers, so they go hey the hospitals that have the most patients will get the most of this PBE. And that's, that's often the polar opposite of what actually needs to happen because of the way that COVID-19 operates the vast, vast majority.
But because these hospitals, historically didn't need a ton of PBE, they're now not getting any of the PBE that they need more than anybody else here in Chicago. 73% of deaths from COVID-19 are black, and I mean black I don't mean let you know, non white I don't mean, you know, Latino and others I mean specifically just black folks are dying, more, more often than most of the other population. And that's because you know the systemic racism that goes on, you know, not only in Illinois, but in the US as a whole, leading to them not having just having a lifetime of lack of access to proper medical care and even just medical information that makes them the most susceptible to the disease, and now they get the most severe symptoms, which leads to them, old, and because they generally live in these low income neighborhoods and are poverty stricken, they only go to the hospital once they're about to die, which means it's very hard to get them back from that brink, and so on top of that these hospitals that are seeing record numbers 10 times the number of patients that they're used to are getting none of the PBE that they need. And in the meantime on the other end of the city we have, you know, these hospitals and the rich white people land with too much. They're just sitting on it because well, you know, the second wave we might need it. And we're, we have too many people printing. Oh, let's talk about the hospitals turning away, pp. Yeah, we have a big problem here. I do a lot of distribution. I'm a driver for, get me pee pee shy and the ppppp get to be PP organism, and I pick up PP from my place and I drive it to another. We have shuttlers that's all i do i do it on my motorcycle it's a blast element I love it because I get to get a ride in. But you'll like you'll have a problem with that take stuff to a hospital and walk into the front desk and they'll turn it away they go now. We can't take that we can't take this. It's not a it's not NIH certified it's not this or that or we don't know you know that we can't take this. And then you go run to the back door, and you know to where the you know the doctors are smoking. They do the back and go hey do you guys need PP do you need this and they go, Oh my god, yes, and they'll take it right out of your truck and take it and go hey the front desk so they can't take it they're like yeah so the deal is, we, we, because we can't charge patients for this, because we didn't buy it. the hospital leadership won't let us use it.
Let me, let me talk you through that again.
Because the hospitals, and this is especially true for for hot for profit hospitals, by the way, we have for profit hospitals in this country. And I don't mean for, I mean, many hospitals who seek to make a profit. Because they because they can't you know they didn't buy these things they can't show where they bought it from, and there's no way for them to enter it into their inventory system, and thus they can't charge patients for it. And because they can't get money from the patients and or insurance companies for it, they turned it away they won't even accept it and that's the hospital leadership's decision. And that's a surprisingly common problem here.
Don't dwell on that.
We have too many people still 3d printing and 3d printing the wrong stuff we have not enough people sewing masks or any, or doing anything else that that medical facilities need. We have too many people caring about primary medical facilities we have too many people caring about hospitals and things like that. Nobody's thinking about nursing homes. Nobody's thinking about halfway houses. Nobody's thinking about, you know, abuse shelters orphanages. Those are completely overlooked, those places prisons. People are actively thinking about prisons I think just going down the criminals. He would not let them die in their first off, that's a death sentence. That's, that's not what they were sentenced to. Secondly,
The US famously has incarcerated.
You know, an insane number of innocent people. We've been, we've incarcerated, more people per capita than any other country in the world we have more prisoners per capita than any other country on earth. And that's mainly because we incarcerate so many people for nonviolent crimes. just look, if we just looked at marijuana related incarcerations. It's insane. Go look on that on your own. That's a tangent I don't have time to get down through here today but saying that someone deserves to die from what's effectively asphyxiation one of those horrible ways you can die because they got caught with
enough weed on them for personal use. That's fucked up. And that's a real common attitude here.
And then of course, mainly because of the way that the media has been presenting it. The average person doesn't understand how the disease how the virus spreads. They don't know what the right way to protect themselves is. And that's part of that's because of just information overload and we've, a lot of us have turned off our ears to just listening to new information, which means we think the last information we took in is what's the truth and of course, as this pandemic has gone on and we learn new information that information is presented immediately. And we're often told the information we thought was true before is now not true. And, and that when now you go well what am I supposed to believe and of course you're supposed to believe what the new evidence shows. And until some other new evidence shows otherwise and that's how I think science has worked forever. But because we are so beaten over the heads with this information, even if it's factual, we tend to just tune it out and, and that combined with the fact that the media talks about this pandemic in using like weather movement terms like that it's, it, it comes in waves, and that it's approaching the US, and that is now moved into Chicago versus what it is. Small outbreaks that spread, and that can keep spreading you know we keep hearing the second wave term being used like oh this good wave, the second wave is coming in September, there'll be a second wave like it'll like a, like a storm or something. And so that leads people to think that like, all right, once their numbers are on the downslope it's gone it's leaving cool we can finally calm down and that's not the case because it's outbreak driven. All you need is one person who goes out and gets sick and brings it back into their community to wreck everything all again and that's we just saw that in Chicago. We just had to roll back freedoms in Chicago because the second we got them. Everybody fucked it up
here here's how you can help at least
we don't really need much 3d printing anymore Don't buy a 3d printer if you have one and you want to make some stuff, and you can find someone who needs the things you can produce. Please go ahead. But we're not desperate for 3d printers anymore. If you have, if you're in Chicago and you have PP you can hit up, get me pee pee shy.org or want to donate money if you're just like I have money How can I throw money at this problem. That's my organization and I'm happy to pluck it and please give us all your money, we so desperately need it. We're actually working on distilling sanitizers right now but hospital grade. But if you're elsewhere, you still want to help, donate to just get me pp.org and general. Feeding America is one of my favorites. And that's something nobody thinks about like this pandemic has caused losses of jobs rapidly record high unemployment rate in the US, which means people can't eat, which means families can't eat, regardless of whether they've been sick or not, they can't buy food. And so, like, I feel like that's being overlooked. With the whole PP debacle is we don't consider the other people who are suffering and so a great way, you can help that is by donating to Feeding America. I personally donate my time to Feeding America, I know the good they do and I can personally attest that your every single penny that goes in there is very effectively applied to the situation. If you want to help make stuff, check out the mass for Doc's slack right there. Read the pin posts, all the info is there, all the updated designs, all the recommendations all the pro tips read the pin posts before you start asking questions. It's a great time to learn too so like I said, If you can't find anything to do in your community, you can't find anyone in your personal community doing things to help your community, that maybe because nobody is or nobody has taken the reigns to start coordinate everything and it might have to be you. Let it be you be that person. Get on Facebook get on Reddit, get on the neighborhood apps, check your hackerspaces get them involved, it might have to be you it might not be that there isn't a need, it might be that nobody's, you know, taking that initiative. Let it be you do it up. So that's all that's all I got time
I've been Johnny Christmas. You can find me at all the places listed there I'll have this slide deck, along with. There's a lot of links and files to do all of this stuff in my GitHub, just look for this talk in there. You can hit me up on Twitter. You can find me on Twitch, where I'm actually recording this talk ahead of time right now. So, thanks to all my twitch viewers. And thank you hope for giving me my 20th year and letting me present here once again. This has been a blast. And hopefully I'll see you all in person in a couple of years.
Hi, we're back
with Johnny x Miss Johnny Thank you very much. It was a great talk about the COVID-19 in the US, maker response. So we're going to go right into some questions. Sure, yeah, thanks for having me. This is
my 10th hope this is exciting. Let's get to it was good. It's good
to have you back. So the first question is, has anyone. What is the sanitizing process how much does it cost, and material to produce one mask, so the sanitizing process,
unfortunately, that that's various greatly by who's bagging the stuff in my home when I am bagging things for distribution I use aspirated hydrogen peroxide and or rubbing alcohol. I'm. What I'm doing here is printing 3d printing so I use pet g which is a material that's able to withstand hospital grade disinfecting processes. But some people are not using such materials and they can't stand being, you know, sat and rubbing alcohol for long periods of time or they can't handle an autoclave and so, it varies based on that, because we're dealing with people who are doing things in their own home we have to rely on them to have thought of this precaution and read up on it. Some people may just assume that I just wipe it down and alcohol and it's going to be fine but like with when you're dealing with 3d printing it prints in these layers that create little ridges inside the plastics and that those little ridges are massive gaps to bacteria that can just sit inside there and so, you know, COVID aside, you've got plenty of other things that can hang out in there as well and so that's what I do, the air, the aspirated hydrogen peroxide is something that
Department of Health and come up with and it works really well and that's cool. I hope everyone else is doing something similar, and we have to hope that the people on the receiving end also when they unbag these things they perform some kind of disinfecting process, and that's in hospitals sure I'm positive that's happening but what about in places like nursing homes, spousal abuse shelters orphanages who can't even get their hands on a gallon of disinfectant like what are they doing, likely nothing. They soap and water, which better far better than nothing soap and water is great, definitely do it. And so that's that's what they're trying to do as far as like what is one mask cost. If we're talking about 3d printing the face shields. It's about 17 cents on my end, give or take the cost of plastic has fluctuated greatly. 17 to 60 cents somewhere in there for a face mask for a cloth mask. Most people are making these out of old t shirts and stuff like free effectively. And that's the, that's a big thing I like to push is like we can stop this pandemic for free. If you don't nobody has to buy a mask so many people are giving masks away and all we need is about that 83 ish percent mask adoption rate, nationally, and the outbreaks will just cease to exist because we cut off the virus's ability to find new hosts in fact and so like we pandemic Thank you. Yeah. Oh,
all right. All right, well thank you very
much, Johnny I appreciate it. We're out of time, but on behalf of all the hope 2020 attendees presenters and volunteers. Thank you very much, Johnny for sharing your project about COVID-19 with us today. Yeah, sorry I wasn't able
to do more questions because my talk was so freakin long but feel free to DM me in the usual cyberspace areas where you find me and hopefully I can write
you guys out.
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