Ep.72 Cody (Dungeons & Dragons)_mixdown
6:11AM Jan 11, 2020
Good day everyone who listened to Tom for your hobby, and this is episode 72 You must roll before you act. I'm your host Alex and today I have the honor to have again, Cody as my guest on the show. How you doing man?
Hey, have you pretty good. Thanks again for having me back.
Well, thanks for being on Cody was my guest. I can't remember which episode number was but it was the episode about vinyls. So if you want to learn more about Cody on that episode because he has multiple interests. That episode was all about vinyls and this episodes about d&d. But before we start talking about d&d for the people who haven't listened to the The final episode yet who is Cody?
So, Cody, nerd. Usual typical nerd I would say I feel like I'm just going to rehash my intro from it was uh, I know I just had I don't know, I don't listen to that episode but it's Episode 57 so if you want to listen to it, Episode 57 collecting vinyl, I play games video games board games, RPG games obviously, like like vinyl I in between. When I recorded last time with you I got a dog. So now my life is kind of revolved around owning a dog. So it's pretty much just work, take the dog for a walk and then maybe play a game or two, maybe play Dungeons and Dragons on the weekend. That's kind of my life at this point.
Well, at least you still make some time for your hobby. And that's why we have you back on here. I say we but it's just me. That's why I have you back on here. So yes, actually, Cody actually has a podcast as well. And I'm sure you love to share that with everybody listening. So, Cody, what's your podcast? What are some social media links where people can find you and follow you?
Yeah, the podcast. It's a chess talk like the board game chess. And I have a Twitter. It's chess underscore talk. And our website is chess talk dot pod being calm. And then I have my own Instagram, but every once in a while I posted on the podcast and that's at monotone Cody. And yeah, those are the links
perfect. I'll put that back in the description below. So people who are interested can just go check it out, click it, listen to his podcast first or listen to mine for it doesn't matter. You have to listen to both of them. It's a must. If you listen to this, you gotta listen to the other one. So yes, today we're going to be talking about D and D. So for those who do not know what d&d is mine explain what d&d is for people.
How much time do you
so it is Dungeons and Dragons. It started I should have looked this up. I believe it was in the mid 70s is when it started. And it is just the great Grandfather of all RPG games, its role playing, there's action and it's all revolved around rolling dice and trying to hit some score either set by the DM or dungeon master who controls this world that you're playing in, or some other arbitrary stat that you're trying to be. And it's a collaborative board game that you play with everyone. Usually, I would say four players and a DM is about the average party size and it's just play for a couple hours go through a story usually like high fantasy like Lord of the Rings esque story, and try and save the day.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but a DM is a dungeon master the one who's controlling the narrative of the story, right?
Yes, exactly. Other games RPG games, my column GM or just Game Master but for Dungeons and Dragons, they've always been called dm.
And of course, Dungeons and Dragons uses a lot of imagination. Your imagination is your limit right?
Yes and I probably jumped the gun but what I am the DM my friends kind of push my imagination beyond what I thought it
would I do the exact same thing to my friend who's a DM. So yes, I do play d&d as well and my friend who's the dungeon master sometimes looks at me like really, Alex Really? Is that what you're gonna do? I'm like, hey, it's it's in my rule. It's in my one of my spells. I'm using it the way I want. But yes, we're jumping the gun. So yeah. How did you get introduced to d&d?
Well, I mean as a like when you play video games and stuff, like you always kind of hear people talk about d&d or other RPG games like I, I've been playing Wow, since I was nine or eight. So I've always kind of been like, vaguely aware of it. And I know my dad used to play it back when he was like a teenager. So he played a second edition. So it's always kind of been in the back of my mind. But my first ever time playing it was actually three four years ago, and it was actually on my iPod. podcast, Episode 30 of my podcast. It was when we played d&d for the first time on that podcast and that was my first ever time actually playing it.
That's that's pretty cool. I like that your first experience, you shared it with the world. And did you ever play d&d with your dad?
No, I I've tried. I've talked to him about it. He just he's doesn't feel like doing that anymore. At least last time. I talked to him maybe at this point he'd be willing to But no, it's definitely I've definitely tried to get like some sort of family d&d group started.
And I would imagine that he's played on the second edition. Now we're at the fifth edition. A lot has changed since his time.
Oh, yeah. It he'd basically be starting from scratch, I'm sure.
And when it comes to playing d&d, do you prefer doing it with visuals or just orally and in other words, just speaking,
I am kind of 5050 on it. It really depends on who you're with, and what everyone is like willing to commit to like it during some of my sessions. Like, if it's a really big battle scene, I usually do like to have a lot of visuals. And I have like a grid map that I provide when I play so that way I can like draw out like the size of the room. And if there are obstacles, and I do have, I don't know, maybe like 20 to 30 miniatures that I use to help just like visualizing good things on the board, but if it's like, they're just in a town or they're traveling or something, then I really just rely heavily on talking about it and describing it and getting them to talk to me about like, what do they see? And what are they experiencing and things like that. So I guess it really just depends on the situation and what is happening in this game session.
And you know, I have to ask, do you go into character meaning you have a voice for your character or let's say when you're playing dm you have a voice for the NPCs the non playable characters?
No, and I think that's probably one of my biggest like, I think about that constantly. Like what am I going to jump ship and start doing voices but I if Anything I probably do like slight accents for like dwarves like that just a thing you do like you give them sort of a Scottish accent. Or like if I'm talking like an orc or an ogre or something big, like, I'll go a little bit deeper. And in one of my campaigns, there's like a talking mushroom kind of guy. And so I just kind of like raise my voice a little bit higher when he talks. So I do things like that. But now I don't do any crazy. throwing my voice around or things like that. I think
we're playing the exact same campaign because this guy in ours as well. We started off like in a prison dungeon thing. Out of the abyss.
Okay, we're playing the exact same campaign. Yeah, we're a lot slower. I'm sure you're way ahead in the campaign. We we like to stop and smell the roses in a sense, but yes. So for that one, are you the DM or you are you a player?
So that one I am the DM I've actually played this one. This is my second time playing it. I played it. Probably two years ago with a different group, and they were all we started that campaign at level 10. That was a very that group. We like switch DMS every once in a while, like I think every three or four sessions we switch dm, so it was kind of all over the place. But this current iteration where I'm playing it, we started at level one. And I am also dming it like I said, and we're not too far. We're only We're almost to chapter three. So I'm sure you're well ahead of that. I don't know what chapter we're at.
That's right. We are on on our way to now for all the listeners like this. Dungeons and Dragons. We're on our way to sleep adop that is the city we're going to
Okay, yeah, I know exactly where that is. Yes. Okay. Okay, so, yeah, you said you played the DM and also a player. Do you prefer being a DM or being a player? And if so, between both of them? What are some benefits of both rules?
Again, this is a hard one. It's because I've been dming Consistently probably for the past year and a half. And so at this point, I kind of want to be a player for like at least a little bit. But I think in general, I would say I prefer being the DM, just because I like kind of having the ability to kind of like shape the story and like I do use a lot of books for my campaigns and stuff, like pre written books, but I like having the option of like, okay, here's this essentially skeleton of where this story needs to take place. And now I have all this room to kind of flush it out and really personalize it for my players who are I want them to be engaged and engrossed in this situation. But when you're a player, it is awesome to just have this one character, that's all you ever need to worry about. And you can just really like get into the mindset of that character, who they are, what their ideals are, who, what they want to accomplish, and just, you know, the friendships they you can create as that one character, but then again, you can do that as a DM Just especially when you're dealing with a lot of NPCs, they kind of come and go, and so you can get attached to them or the party can but you know, like eventually like the party is probably going to move on or the MPC is probably going to die because it's Dungeons and Dragons. So it's, you know, it's like when you're a DM you get tons of creativity and you have you are the literal god of this campaign, but you don't get a connect to the NPCs as much whereas if you're a player it's all very like personal
Yeah, no, I understand. I have only played the player aspects so I can really connected in the like, story mode and the NPCs in my dm John's like no, he's he's dying. Alex, stop, stop. He's gonna No, no, I need to talk to him. Just one last words. He's speaking of which are you a brutal dm or a generous dm?
If you ask my players that will probably say a brutal
I like to think I am very middle of the road because
I know it's taboo. But every once in a while I do fudge roles, typically in the favor of my players though, like if it's going to hit them and I know like, okay, I don't want them to really die here yet like, okay, maybe I'll make it do a little bit less damage or something like that. But they don't see that because in my current campaign I, in our last session, I did just kill my girlfriend's character. She was
you know, she,
we've moved past it, if they were fighting a dragon, it was. It was a bad situation. So it's not like I was going after her. It's just you fought a dragon and you died. That's what happens. I but I do like to try and be at least a little strict when it comes to the rules. And I try and keep it a little more grounded. Just because I think it's more fun. If you are trying to figure out how to do these crazy cool maneuvers, in the confines of these rules that are set. in place, because I think it doesn't restrict your creativity, it just like gives you this huge guideline of like, Okay, well I can do X, Y, and Z. And that will accomplish w that I really wanted to do instead of just like, Oh, I do the thing. That's just my point of view.
And do you have a timer for let's say, when the players are trying to figure out a move, and they can't figure it out on time, then you would start the timer and then the enemy or monster would attack or do something?
No, I've, we've talked about that before in our parties. And we've almost come to that point, because sometimes people like, they will spend close to five minutes assigning on what to do and I have to, like, if not me, other people on the party be like, Okay, come on, like, Can you just do something and then think about it until your next turn? So now I'm not that crazy about timing. It happens
sometimes in our campaign and one of the players. One of the players not the timing, but I mean, like, one player will get annoyed and say, You know what, I'm gonna attack him. I'm gonna kick him in the shin was taking too much time in the middle of a fight. They take their action to kick one of our own players in the shin. Yeah.
Love it. Is it spellcaster that's taking too much time, I'm assuming no, no, it's a dark Archer. Yeah. You just shoot him.
Exactly. Either way, we have so much fun playing. Actually the DM has a character in the game too, but he's not necessarily an active character is there to help us like in fights but doesn't make decisions. Have you ever done that?
Yeah. Since my girlfriend's character to just I I do have a plan in place where like they were literally rescuing and MPC and she died during that rescue, essentially. And so I was going to introduce that MPC as kind of like a half healer half damage dealer to kind of just aid the party until they can find a new in game a new replacement for my girlfriend's character. So yeah, I've done that. In previous sessions to like when I first did out of the abyss, I had a couple NPCs I was I'm sure you're aware like that helped in combat and things like that. Yeah, we know we're a giant group of NBC is, ya
know, how long does it usually take you to prepare for a new campaign, a campaign?
That that is an undertaking? I have, because the campaign I'm doing with my girlfriend right now is a two book campaign from Wizards of the Coast. So the people that publish d&d books, it is horde of the dragon Queen and then the rise of TMR. And I am now on to the second book rise of TMR. But that first campaign, I have, I believe, a Word document for every chapter of that book. And I want to say if I can mine them all, it'd be close to about 40,000 words. Wow, just just my notes, like, in addition to what's going on in the book itself,
it always seems like you're ready for any situation and you know the players so you're like, Okay, well, this is probably what they're gonna be like. So I'm gonna just throw this situation. And so it just adds a little extra challenge for them.
Yeah, it's a lot of Okay, I am leading them down this path, they'll probably do this. So I need to be prepared for this. And then I have just like break glass in case of, you know, jump off the ship or something. And
what was the longest campaign you've ever played?
It's going to be the horde of the dragon Queen, one that I'm in right now. It probably started a year and a half ago. Is that right? If not closer to two years at this point. And there's obviously been like breaks or like, we'll go a couple months without playing. But it's probably been 40 or 50 sessions, I would say. And so that has to be my longest campaign.
And how long are the sessions Usually,
I would say about three hours. We've had a couple go like two hours, hour and a half and others go like four hours. So I would say three. That's a good time. Now you can
get a lot done in time and yes. And what are some do's and don'ts When it comes to playing d&d, whether as a DM and as a player,
well as a
DM, I would say, do let your players be creative. Do like I said, like I am strict rules and things like that, but I hear them out. I go, Okay, what are you trying to do? And like, why, like, why do you want this to do that? Because I think that helps everyone, including the person that's trying to do the thing. Like really start thinking about the problem and like start thinking of other solutions, and it's a better response than going. No, it says you can't do that. So I think that's a huge, you should do this as a DM it's just you know, let your players be creative and let them talk through what they're trying to do. Don't as a DM, I would say for the most part, don't try until your party constantly because then no one has fun and it's hard to connect to your characters. If every other session you're dying as a player, some do Know your character. There are a couple times where I play with someone are different people like they shuffle in and out of groups. And it just they show up and they're like, Okay, how do I do this thing? Okay, what is my stat? Okay, I need a role, but what am i rolling? So I think, if you're trying to get into the hobby, obviously, this if this is your first ever game, no, I don't expect you to be an expert. But if you've been playing for six months, a year, whatever you've played a couple of times, you should kind of know how to play. I guess I could be adult as well. But don't try and take hold of the campaign from the DM. I would say as a player. Don't make this all about your character, especially if you're in a party of 456 other player characters. It's a collaborative thing. Like I said before, like you, this isn't just your character story. So you shouldn't try and hog all of the narrative and every important decision you shouldn't just make it It should be a thing that You as a party, collectively should figure out together.
I agree, I have to admit that I am sometimes guilty because we played so sporadically that sometimes there's a big gap and then we have to like, revisit the pages and we have short amount of time to play. So I'm like, all right, what's this? What's this? Okay? Wait was this
again that is understandable, but if it's like, Okay, I have a this is theoretical, but like, if you have a player that's been playing in your campaign for a year and you only miss a couple sessions, then it's like, after a year, you shouldn't be like, Okay, I need to attack What do I roll again? No, that's, that's
fair. Yeah. Hopefully my gym is listening like Alex. Liar. You do that all the time. But to move on to put the attention away from my bad player habits, would you ever be
Exactly. I have you on speed dial just don't do here. What do I do here? Would you ever be interested in playing in a campaign that takes place in a different universe for example, let's say wars or Lord of the Rings, an anime or cartoon or anything like that?
Yeah, no, I've definitely checked out like I know they're like, quote unquote, official Star Wars RPG that are set like in the DND system, but it's all Star Wars terms and classes and things like that and I know Warcraft has a more or less official rule book as well for I think it's d&d 3.5 edition now. So I've always like been interested in doing something like that in a whole different setting. But at the same time, I know like, okay, I should focus on getting my one group to gather and play this one game before I try and add on an entire new game and universe.
I don't know why, but I just imagine you sitting in the middle of a room and there are three tables like on either side, you're swiveling around dming three different games at the same time. But I gotta get all these games in.
That's what I'm going to do when I'm retired. I just
constantly just have a swivel chair that just automatically rotates Next table even better, instead of you rotating the table as you shift around you. So you know,
I just have like a button so it just like exactly what I bring them to me when I'm ready, not the other way around.
Exactly, exactly. And now doing Episode 57, which was about vinyls. We talked about how you use the vinyls during your campaign. And we got mentioned in this as well, because they're intertwined. They're connected together, what kind of what vinyls Do you use during your campaigns to add that ambient music or that sound or to improve the scene.
So I use the Lord of the Rings soundtracks a lot, because it's just very fitting. I have the Return of the King and two towers soundtrack both on vinyl. So I've used that a lot. I've also I believe I've used the annihilation soundtrack. I don't know if you've seen that movie. But that has a very good albeit kind of creepy soundtrack and that is Had a session where are a couple sessions that all took place in like a desolate swamp, decaying like castle. And so that was a very good just kind of like on edge music. So those I would say are like my biggest pulls from vinyl. But then of course, I also go on YouTube or Spotify and look up like different sort of RPG sound sets as well.
And I could imagine whenever you play these songs or sounds and it actually adds more to the game and your players get nervous or excited, right?
Yeah, it's in my current campaign we were over in a castle that seemed to be like overrun by spiders. And like the drawbridge was like completely covered and there was like a moat and it was just you couldn't see the water there spider. I was all over the place and no one expected giant spiders in this castle. And like as that was happening, the scene on the soundtrack from Lord of the Rings when photos and she loves layer started playing and so Everyone just kind of freaked out and they're like we're not touching this we're leaving like this is bad omens
it's like nope, nope, nope, nope nope hollens get the flame thrower
torch it up guys let's go
I once again My mind is just running wild I could just imagine you like they're having like just they're eating at a bar and then you just throw in like the Lord of the Rings music like Oh, God, okay, Sony epics gonna go into full panic mode.
No, I think I have slipped up like with YouTube and stuff. Like they'll be just doing like a role playing session or whatever, just like talking to some NPCs and I'll accidentally hit play. I'm like my battle music. And they'll just stop and look at me and they're like, what's about to happen? Like, oh, sorry, that was just misclick.
During our campaign, my friends sometimes like to play some Final Fantasy soundtracks, especially when you win the battle. They play that then and then then
yeah, I we use the Final Fantasy 10 battle music
quite often. It just suits it works so well.
It's perfect and because my girlfriend loves that game, and Two of my players in that same campaign, they love that game as well. So I know they'll be fine with it. It's always great when you can collide two worlds together.
Yeah, exactly. What would you say is the best part about playing d&d on a personal and emotional level?
Definitely being able to create the story that is not only personal to me, but I get to make it relate to these other people and like I can actually draw out emotions from people not even on like, like when a character dies or something like that, just like something heartfelt happens. Like my one of my characters, he went that same castle the spiders, he found his son that was dead. And I guess it's a death thing. But like, we had this whole scene that was totally impromptu where they buried his son outside of the castle grounds and they all just kind of like sat in silent prayer and like put a flower over his tombstone and I think that was like a crazy, impromptu dramatic scene. On the flip side, there was this whole bit with our characters were one of the paladins saw they were about to fight this young dragon. And he just out of the blue came up with this character that he said that his character read a young adult detective series called Nancy Drew gone where it was a young dragon detective. And he mistook that dragon for Nancy Drew gone and it was just this huge back and forth. And it was to the point where they almost didn't have to fight that dragon because I was just loving the interaction that they were having. So I think that is the best part about d&d is just having the flexibility to make the story to swing from one emotion to the other and just have it be collaborative and have everyone kind of enjoying themselves. I remember
when playing this campaign right now my friend sees a giant ogre is like, you know, I'm gonna go talk to him, goes up to the owner and the owner did not like his Race. I can't remember which one it was. And then he got punched in the face and he got knocked out. When he woke up. He's like, I'm gonna go talk to him again and we're like, don't do it. It's not going to work. He goes and gets pumped and he gets knocked out again. And he wakes up again. He's like, You know what? I think this time I'm going to get through to him. What do you think happened? He of course, he didn't have his like, Third time's a charm. The deal was like, really? Oh, there's no point of going to talk to him. He hates your guts.
Yeah, if I was that dm, I'd be like, if you talk to him again. I'm going to die.
I'm sorry. It's gonna be a horrible death like you trip over a rock and that's it.
Like on your way to it.
you swallow fly and you die. Yeah, not the way to go. No for you. What was your biggest challenge when you first started playing d&d?
It was definitely trying to figure out how to play and how to set up your character because when if you look at a character A blank character sheet and you're a brand new player, you're like, Oh, that's all I have empty spaces. There should be numbers here. I don't know what's going on. And then like, when you start playing, you're just, it's almost like you. You're like paralyzed with how many options you have. And you don't know what the best route is, as a character and like what you should be. You should have some guidance, but like when you're in a scenario, like you're in a bar, and you're just like, there are so many things I could talk to or so many options like, I could steal, I could talk, I could put on a show, I could, you know, x, y, z. And so I think that was my biggest challenge when I first started playing was just one figure out how to play and then to, once I kind of knew it's like, okay, now I need to figure out how, as a player, I want to play this game, like what my sort of mindset is going to be,
and what is your current challenge these days,
definitely getting people together to actually play the end because as I've gotten older, and it's kind of like a Saying or a meme within the d&d community. It's just like, Yeah, I know you. When people get older as d&d stops happening in their memes, or it's like people like granting wishes to genies, and they're like, I want a consistent d&d group every week. And then they're like, what are your two other wishes? And then there's walk away
That's it. That's it. That's that's all my wishes. I don't need anything else. Well, yeah, but you but sometimes when my friends and I can't get together to play d&d in person, we play online. Did you ever do that?
My girlfriend and I did try that a couple times. That was also kind of like hit or miss and we tried doing just an entire campaign like with people we met on role 20. And we did that for a couple sessions. And then they just stopped responding totally out of the blue just never got back to us. So yeah, we have tried that. It just it we found that playing in person really is what works for us and our friends.
Now, of course, you get that human interaction and then you can get to enjoy Your presence and it just makes the game a lot better. Yeah
yeah exactly no has
playing d&d helps you relax when you're feeling stressed. So let's say you had a long day listening to vinyls. No, I'm kidding, a long day at work. And well now you have a puppy. So of course, that's the stress reliever but before you had the puppy DND help you relax when you were feeling stress.
Yeah, I think when it was like a game night, and I had a long day at work or something like I knew going home, it's like, Okay, I got 3040 minutes, and then I can start playing d&d, and I don't have to worry about work. I can transport my mind to somewhere else. Yeah, it's just nice to know. Once you're in the game, and in the campaign, it's like you're a whole different person in this whole different world and technology doesn't matter and your work schedule doesn't matter. Just I'm playing this game. I got to fight this dragon.
I don't know if you've ever done this, but have you let's say you had a really tough day at work and there's that one employee will say, Jim, you don't like to do Adam as an NPC. Like a really bad MVC in the game like, Here's jimothy calm you'll
step on him. Yeah,
No, I haven't I have a little more sanity than that thing.
But I've probably done it about my friends. Like I made them NPCs just to kill them off instantly. But it's always like people at the table. So it's all like everyone's in on the joke.
So that was good fun. Yeah, exactly. Now on the flip side, I was playing d&d ever stressed you out. So and let's see as a DM where the players weren't going through the story either or deviating or as a player where the DM was just so tough that didn't make the story progress at all. Well, I guess, story progression. It hasn't ever stress you out.
Yeah, no, it's a as a DM definitely. I've been stressed out like I said, like writing up my notes or my plans for different chapters. Like one chapter alone I think was like seven 1000 words something ridiculous and just like looking at that I was just stressing out I was like, I don't know if they're going to do half of the things here. I don't know if like, it's going to matter like I it that I think is the most stressful as a DM is just figuring out what your players are going to do and one if it's going to make sense, like if they as players will be able to figure out the next steps or two, if they're going to like be successful at it like Is this the end of the campaign? Like if you're setting up this big boss fight like, am I writing my players deaths right now? Like that stresses me out sometimes.
Yeah, that's that's understandable. It's so much effort and time into it that it's unfortunately when things are don't go the way that they should? Of course, it's the end things never go the way they should but I mean, like, in the grand scheme of things when they don't go the way they should.
Yeah, I thankfully in my long campaign, I haven't had any major tournament There's definitely been times where they stay at a city much longer than that I anticipated and I have to do a lot of like role playing on the fly. Or in one of our sessions. They unexpectedly got caught trying to steal something and my players reaction like they're in essentially like this hideout full of undercover cultists, I would say, and one of my players got caught trying to steal something from a cultist and his immediate reaction was okay, I'm going to kill him. And it just, like reeled, I was like, this is going to kill us so bad, they do this and he stabbed him and then got caught. And so I was like this. I don't know what I'm going to do here. So that was definitely a stressful situation as a DM. Has it
ever happened that there's been arguments at the table.
Maybe not full blown, like screaming and yelling, but probably like people being upset with me. About decisions I make as a DM and like people snapping at me and I just have to, like calm them down. But nothing too crazy. Nothing that as a DM like, I mean, just like, why are they attacking me? Like why? Like, I'm way over here and there's someone in front of them. I have to be like, Okay, well think about it from this enemies perspective. It's like this person just walked up to them. You're over there attacking from a distance. They're like, Yeah, but it just doesn't make sense. So just things like that. Not like aggressively attacking me or something in person.
Come on, don't snap a Cody's a very friendly person. I can't imagine people snapping at you. But if this now that you've got to go through first snap at me, I'll snap back. So yes, what are some misconceptions about people who play d&d?
I'm sure there's, I'm sure I'm gonna list like 20 and be like, Oh, no, I know. Some are definitely just you know, the neckbeard misconception, or the antisocial the this is all they do. They live at comic book store. I feel like these are all like variants of the same thing. But it's just this huge misconception that only the nerdiest of nerds play d&d. And I definitely think that as it's gone on, it's not the case anymore. It's in pop culture, like Stranger Things, I think definitely bumped it up into more people's minds. So I think that's probably the biggest misconception is just huge, dumb nerds just all they do is play d&d, and they sit and argue and play for 12 hours and they sit in character costumes and things like that. And that's never been the case for what I've seen. ndnd
Yo, like, I feel like it's pretty much the norm nowadays, like I there's so many people I know that play d&d, like a lot of my friends play d&d, and I like what you play d&d. I play it too. And you were just sort of talking about that.
Yeah, I know that. I mentioned it to people sometimes. And they're like, Oh my God, I've always wanted to play but I just didn't know other people played it. I'm like, it's one of the most interesting Civ games that I've ever seen. Or it's like, if you just slightly mentioned interest people, like jumped on the chance to bring you into their group so they can have another player.
Yep, it's the game that brings everybody together and you get to have fun and it's just last so long. And the campaigns can be different every lucky can play one campaign, but it has infinite possibilities because of who you play, how you play and everything in between.
Yeah, I know the difference between out of the abyss the one that you're playing and the horde of the dragon queen. My long campaign or dislike completely almost feel like different games, like out of the abyss is such a different game than any other d&d campaign I've played. Well, it's interesting because when we first started playing d&d, we actually didn't think we wanted to play d&d. We're like, oh, let's create an RPG game. And we started making stuff like that. And we slowly started buying parts for d&d and like,
let's play d&d.
made like, okay, but yeah, those are those are introduction. How we started playing
Yeah, I've I've definitely had some friends like come up to me it's like oh what if you play this thing I'm like yeah but DVDs like done like it is a very well established game you not to think about it it just hear the rules play it and
for you What does God taught you in life?
Definitely being more creative and being able to, not that I'm, I wasn't a team player before, but it's definitely made me really like stop and think and like try to think of other people's situations and day to day life. And it just, I try and think of things outside of the box now like at work or just dealing with not DND obviously, or like at school or when I'm studying like, I know it sounds weird, but it's just I try and think of not just Okay, I need to do X will I'll do why it's like, Okay, well what if I do this, and this and then that and then I can do the thing I originally wanted to do. So I think creativity is a huge benefit. I've gone from playing d&d
and It also improves your problem solving skills
right? Yeah, I hundred percent would say that
I feel like it did the same for me It also like it teaches you how to look at a problem from a different point of views like you were saying, it's like well what if I went that way and then that way what would be the possibilities? It's it's a great teacher while you're having fun.
Yeah, I I hear about schools that do like d&d clubs and things like that. I think that would be the best sort of club to have as a high school student because that really can like help shape your creativity and your team working skills at a younger age when I think it's super important. Like if I had a d&d Club in high school I would that would have been the only club I joined
hood Doug God if there's a club in University Of course in high school, elementary school, not more simple version for element. Well, I don't know maybe they're very smart kids. Yeah.
For game. Now I know that there's a there is like a kid version of d&d that they just kind of published a book for so that does exist. Okay.
Well, look into that. And if you do have lingo, share it into the podcast description so people can check it out. And you can play d&d with your kids. If you have kids. Now, do you want to present this hobby to the world are using more as an escape from reality?
Yeah, I'd present it to the world. I think it's I think it's a better hobby for everyone to at least experience and try. Because like with the misconception, I feel like if you yourself play it, you can understand like, Okay, this isn't for like the upper echelon of nerds. It's like anyone can kind of enjoy it. And I think it would be good for people to like, sit there and try and problem solve with five other people so that way, it's a different kind of experience. Like, okay, I need to want to work together and to make sure we're all happy with the outcome.
I tried explaining it to my parents, and they're like, what, what, DND Isn't that an old game? Yeah. But they're not interested. So you at least you could share that with your father and that but he doesn't want to play but at least that's cool that he understands what it is and there isn't a printer But now my dad's understand like, Okay, cool. That's the understand like, Oh, it's creative games, stuff like that. But yeah,
yeah, just say it's a fun board game. There you go. It's not d&d
Dad, Mom, it's improving my creativity. And they're like, you gotta calm down with your creativity. You have way too much of that you should go or something. So, yes, do you have any word of advice for anybody who might be interested in this hobby?
I would say definitely look into. There are some like free PDFs and stuff that you can look into it like, what sort of classes and races there are just so you can get kind of familiar with what you're doing. And then another huge thing is go to your local comic book store. Every time I go to a comic book store, there's usually some sort of calendar where they have like d&d night, or they have like a kind of like a wanted board or like a list board where it's like d&d players wanted like email, blah, blah. or meet here at this comic book store on these days. So I think if you're interested in playing the game that you've just never had a group that wants to do with you either go to a local comic book store or check out something like role 20 or even like the d&d subreddit, I think they have a couple good links for like people that can't find people in person. So that's what I would say for new players is like, spend some time like don't just immediately say, Oh, I can't play it. Because I don't know anyone that plays it. Like, you live in the age of the internet, you can find someone. Yeah,
there's so many people share the common interests. And it's not that hard to find somebody who will share the same passion as you and hopefully, I'm doing my part by sharing this and then hopefully people like you don't want Yeah, I want to pick up the end. Maybe play with Cody. Not play with Alex. I don't wanna play with Alex. He sounds horrible to play with Jesus.
I have to spend 20 minutes in between terror and see just forget spells.
Yeah, exactly. excuse I want I want to enjoy the moment together as friends just, we don't get. We don't get to spend enough time together. Now, you mentioned this at the beginning of the podcast, but mine rehashing your social media links and podcasts so people can see who Cody is and where to find them.
Sure, yeah, I'll start with the Instagram. It's a monotone Cody. I know there's definitely some posts of my d&d sessions on there. So if you scroll through, you'll definitely see some miniatures or behind my dm screen. And then I have a Twitter chats underscore talk for my podcast, just talk podcast and then my website for the podcast is just talk dot pod being calm. Perfect. I'll put that all in the description below once again, so you guys can go check it out. And of course, if you want to learn more about Cody, you can listen to Episode 57 about vinyl so you get the double amount of coding, the daily
dose or the weekly dose of Cody, two weeks worth of Cody. And the last question. You're already an expert on this. Do you have any questions for me about d&d?
Yes? Have you ever considered dming? Because that's something that you want to do.
You know what I would definitely give it a try. And I feel like I'd be super creative and work around with the creatures and take my time to learn about them and really get immersed and I even feel like I would probably do the voices as well for the creatures and over exaggerate, because why not is DMT it allows you to do that. And I feel like what I would do is I would improvise a lot like I would read like the sum of it, and especially for d&d, it's a lot of like creation and then I would like make it making my own I'm allowed to do the right
Yeah, I was gonna say like, well, you don't even need to like get a book like you could literally just sit down with a pen and paper and just make it a campaign right now all on your own. So it do you think you would rather do that or would you as a potential first time dm? Would you rather go off of a book first just to kind of figure it out?
You know what, actually, you know what I would go off the books. First, the simple reason why is because it will allow me to understand more of the structure of the game and what kind of characters are present. So let's say if I do dm another game in the future, I can just have an idea of like, how characters may react, how the other players may act on like their powers, their abilities or skills. So it gives me some sort of backbone some sort of structure before playing the game.
Yeah, I, like I said, like, I've been dming for like, a year and a half, two years now. But it started with this book. And I feel like I'm at the point now where if I wanted to transition off of the book into my own, just 100% all my own story, I feel like it could but you asked me that two years ago, I would not have been able to do that. And
I can imagine that it's super fun to just go through it and just start to plan you know, I'm actually getting like I'm looking. I'm literally looking at a post it note and a pen that's in front of me and I'm like, could I run a campaign on that? means like, no, it's a post it note Alex again.
Never forget I been no but you can start like there's definitely times where like I'm driving and just out of nowhere I get an idea of what I want to add to my campaign and I have to like send myself a text to like remind myself to write it down. So you could you can all start with post it. I feel like that's slogan like you can just one one sentence or something could start your campaign and before you know it, you got a 40,000 word
document. Could you just imagine that so my wife's not home right now she's in a different city. And I'm just like, walk around the house with post its and I'm leaving posters on the wall. Just running notes everywhere like fire. Yes. Fall Yes.
There is a bad guy.
Spider and I put it like right underneath the bed. She's and then she thinks there's an actual spider there. But you know what, honestly, yeah, I would definitely give it a try. I got nothing to lose. It would actually improve my creativity. And yeah, I just I can seek us my friend john. Who's the DM right now? enjoys doing it like sometimes we're talking on Discord. He's like, Alright, guys, I'm going to head off I'm just gonna go work on this camp our campaign for a few hours when he gets really passionate about it and I got nothing to lose to give it a try. John's probably listening to this right now is like, Oh yeah, Alex, you're going to do this? Yeah, horrible, because I might be very literal. It's like, I mean, like, really because I really get into the character in the voice and sometimes it's like good and sometimes like, okay, Alex, no, that's not good. I'm like, no, it's my character. Because right now my I would do Yeah, exactly. Because right now my character, he thinks he's better than everybody else. And okay, that he can fool everybody, but no one can fool him. And my madness level is three. So I and that is that I think I'm stronger, smarter faster. So it just made it worse. And I really get into the character and annoys him but I'm like, Hey, this is the madness he gave me I'll have to play the character.
No, that's actually like a perfect setup background like to get that It's like that's perfect as a DM, I would love messing with that.
Oh, it makes me want to play right now.
That's what I do.
Another question. So what is your class right now?
Oh, wait, wait, I should have looked at I have it here in a photo. I think I'm a warlock. Okay. And Teflon Teflon Warlock. Oh tiefling Yep. tiefling Sorry, I can't say it
right. Yes, it's I've heard 100 pronunciations. It's not just in my head. That's how I say it. Is there a reason you pick that? Is that just something that seemed interesting or like what brought you to a tiefling Warlock?
Oh the tiefling curtain for him with tiefling is like a demon right?
Yeah, they're like from they're like, demons or their ancestors essentially.
Yeah, no, I decided to go with a tiefling because it's like it's a cool like a demon creature scary. And believe it or not, when I looked up the names that you could choose one of the names was fear, and I'm like, cool. Fear
in the game like Hi I'm fear
Like what? Yep, that's my name. But for the warlock I like Warlock because I'm always into like the major and like spells and I've always been into that because it's using in creative ways like I can't I think the spills name is made hand which is literally just a little hand that you could just summon to just do mundane things but I can do like through dust in the air and create a diversion and
that's one of my favorite trips because you can open doors check locks things like that, like I anytime I have a new player that's like a spellcaster I'm like you should probably get a chance because it's more useful than you think.
Yeah, exactly. And I love just using those things and so yeah, demon that is a warlock is guess my thing. Oh,
yeah. Do you think you'll you would ever play like a not spellcaster like a barbarian or fighter pilot
You know what, I probably would give it a try eventually. But even let's say when I play video games, I always like playing the spellcaster. Okay, but you know what, I got nothing to lose. And it gives me the chance to learn more about different types of characters. So like my have a friend who plays and he's always the brute and they always a strong person, and he enjoys playing that he always has a sword. And what I tend to do so for our campaign, I'm mostly the healer type. Like I really like to focus on like supporting the team and healing spells and stuff like that, because most of them are mostly for the attack and I'm there I can revive I can prevent from dying and stuff like that. So I just want to make sure I try to fill in the spots that are missing in the team.
Yeah, that's interesting as a warlock I don't know if I've ever seen someone be more of a supporting Warlock. Usually they're like, No, I want to do as much damage as possible.
Yeah, that like, you know what my dm was like, Alex here. I'm gonna give you a chance to get some more attack spells. I'm like, I'm Dude, I like I like the supports was like Alex, I'm giving you a chance to get more attack skills. In other words what he's saying is Alex, you are useless during a fight? Yes, yeah.
If you're ever in a situation where your dm is like, repeatedly like telling you or asking you something, you should seriously consider what they're saying.
Yeah, he made me get rid of the spell comprehend language. He's like, Alex, don't get that don't get that you. Because every time I try to talk I'm like, I'm going to use comprehend language on this is like, and of course every time I do it, it's like a stupid animal that just were talking. I can't talk back or just like simple answers, but I always give it a try. But he's like, Alex, I'm gonna give you a heads up right now. Everybody you're gonna meet is gonna be stupid.
Yes, yeah. Especially down there. I I kind of curtailed it and out of the abyss cuz you have stool with you? Yes,
we do. And he cannot telepathically
Yes. And so I have him kind of as like the translator yet for my party. So it's like I have a couple new players in that group. And I was like, Okay, I'll just make it easy. We don't have to worry about languages or anything like that. It's like your stool, he could talk to everyone for you. So you can essentially talk to everyone. We've done
a lot with stool and then sometimes we so right now we're in a part where we're split up from the majority of the parties, or we're just the four main characters. So stool is not with us. Oh, no. Yeah. And we have to like try to decrypt and I'm always the one talking to the like the weirdest creatures. Yeah. And but I love it, man. I really do love it. But wait, sorry. It's not about me playing the game anymore. It's, I feel like he's now to the podcast where it's about my passion about the end. But just to keep in mind, everybody that this is Cody's hobby that he loves so much and he's got me hooked on it right now just talking about it. But yes.
This is my section where I get asked you questions, this is exactly what I wanted. If
you have any other questions again. The hit
me with Do you enjoy the setting of out of the abyss? Or would you like to try a more kind of like up be like save the princess kind of like above ground? Like there's a small village and then an evil castle and you need to go defend it? Or are you just kind of open to whatever,
I'm really open to whatever. Because it sounds weird saying this, for me is not very cheesy of me saying this. It's not about the destination. It's about the travel. In other words, like, I want to see who I can encounter, what kind of relationships I can create with people or the interactions and like the consequences of those interactions. And like, that's my passion. Like, I like just having that. Is it called the domino effect or the butterfly effect? The butterfly effect? Yeah, like one action creates another reaction to something else.
Right. Yeah. And I think with that campaign, there are a lot of different kind of creatures and people you can meet. So I guess it's the perfect campaign for you.
And I don't think we're even close to being done but I am So excited. So excited to keep going. So yeah, there you have it another body with the hobby. Thank you so much Cody for coming on and just just I guess geeking out with me right now because this has just been so much fun to talk to my friends about this like guys guys, I just interviewed a guy a friend now we're friends yet. Okay about d&d and he's playing the exact same campaign as me and they're gonna be like, Whoa and probably want to listen to it, but they gotta wait. They gotta wait like everybody else.
Yeah, sneak preview.
No sneak preview. So yeah, once again, thank you so much, Cody for coming back on for a second time. Yeah, again, thanks for having me. I can't wait to listen to your other episodes. And hopefully I'll be on a third time. We'll see. Yeah, the door's always open man. And if you guys want to learn more about Cody by all means go check him out on the links below. You can even check out his podcast very calm, entertaining and good, fun or games, everything in between. and if you like to be on my podcast or have any questions, at all, you could send me an email at time for your hobby at gmail. com. And this goes without saying, if you think this podcast is going to be helpful for anybody or this episode specifically, by all means share with him. DND could be a great source to improve your creativity, make friends and get rid of that dark energy even though there could be some dark energy in the games. See what I did there. Ideally, d&d can be a solution and it can help you out through multiple things in life. So once again, thank you so much, Cody. Yeah, thank you. So Until the next episode, make some time for your hobby. Take care.