Ep.65 The Sharp Beer Palate (Matt - Craft Beer Enthousiast)
7:04PM Dec 21, 2019
Good day everyone who's listening to talk your hobby, and this is episode 65, the sharp beer palette. I'm your host Alex and today I have the honor to have Matt as my guest on the show how you doing today?
Very good. Very good and yourself. Good. Good.
How was the trip coming here?
As that two minute walks, I was actually uneventful. You have to camp you have to camp out for the night. Not too bad, actually.
Well, I'm glad to have you here. Now. We actually had his girlfriend on one of my first few episodes on episode five, which was about poetry. So he's Episode 65. She was episode five. So yeah, we were just talking about that. I should have done earlier and I apologize for that but finally convinced me to join up while we have you here now, which is why I say we I have you here now, but it's finally happening, which is great. But before we go too deep into your topic, your hobby, who is Matt who lives two doors down to his away?
Well, I do research for a living and that's Children's Hospital. And when I'm not doing that I'm playing soccer with you, Alex. Or I'm kind of kicking back hanging with friends. Not too much as exciting but me but
I like I just keeps me happy.
Well, you know what, your life is more exciting than mine. Mine is so boring that I have to find other people's exciting life. My hobby is other people's hobbies. That's how exciting My life is. But yes, speaking about wish to make my life more interesting. What is your hobby?
Well, I like to have craft beers. As simple as that. It's kind of like I like to try new things and in the realm of beer, at least, but when it comes to food and everything, everything else I'm kind of more picky but with craft beers, always have anything anything so so would you consider yourself a craft beer
And a nerdy kind of way? I guess so. Yeah.
So wait, how did you get introduced to craft beer most your first beer must have not been a craft beer
was no, no, I drank I think a little black blue or something like that something god awful. Especially when it's your first year. You're not gonna like enjoy it anyways. But uh, yeah, first craft beer was kind of end of university, one of my roommates kind of started getting me into it. Of course, I make fun of them first, but then after, I would have a couple of days and they will taste a lot better. So I just kind of went with
it. Do you still remember that first craft beer? You had that? Like just started your interest for all of them? I think it
was tank house, which is Yeah, Mill Street, which just had a lot more flavor than I was used to seeing or tasting. Did you have that recently? Or,
I haven't touched it in probably years now. Actually.
Now you're like, you know what, maybe I should just go back just to taste sefa taste to say yeah,
pride and style just tends to but um, yeah. It's been a while since I've had it and right now it is a good bn. Have you
had it? I have not had it I all the craft beer that I have. I have had I've come through you like I'm like, Oh man, I bought this beer. I'm like, he's like, Oh, that's cool. Oh, good. I was waiting for your advice about it because I wasn't sure. You're my go to craft beer enthusiasts. Oh, I might be in trouble then because I have
kind of a particular taste. But I'm not a one shares that of course. But you haven't steered me wrong. Yeah.
okay, that's pretty good.
And so what would you say is the best part about learning about craft beer or just the whole craft beer experience?
You know, what is? Surprisingly, it's not about the beer itself. It's more about the community of a craft brewery that is involved in it. I know. I've been to many craft breweries, and they're just so much more connected with community around them. That's a large reason why I like to support them. This because they're kind of more homegrown people and they're not the big nasty corporations that you hear about. So especially in my hometown of would be there's a quite a few craft breweries now that are really connect with people and do like trivia nights and the host run events and whatnot. And just,
yeah. And has it has it become more popular in your hometown? Well, yeah. People do you.
Yeah. started off with one, and then it just kind of grows from there. So I think there's for now. So yeah, it's always something new to try when I get back, which is kind of exciting. You
know, this might be a hard question. But do you have a favorite one from your
hometown? Favorite brewery, probably five titles. They don't can to too many beers in the lcbo, if anything, actually, they're just kind of more experimental, which is kind of cool. So I don't have to like every crappier try, obviously, but I'm just like trying new ones. Speaking
of which, do you have like a database or some sort of spreadsheet that you try to determine like, I like this beer and different criteria for these beers?
You know, I really should, but there's a few apps I could have downloaded untapped or I think the beer it's called the beer passport or something similar like that, but I just never got around to it. I just kind of enjoy the moment. I don't kind of want to be looking at my phone and tapping the results and reading it. I just kind of put it in memory bank, see if I had or not. And yeah,
and now you said you've do like the hometown, little guys. Yeah, the passionate people. Yep. So are you a fan of imported craft beer or not? So
not to sound too much of a snob. But probably, if I had to choose one imported, probably something from Germany, to kind of the more peers over there. There's a few half of raisins and pilsners that are super tasty. But other than that, I kind of stress a local speaking about Germany and abroad.
Have you traveled anywhere? Just No,
I haven't. But I've heard my buddies on there twice. And he's just raved about it in terms of the craft beer scene there. It's very like I said, traditionalist and purists and yeah, less ingredients. So that's something I would need to do in my lifetime. That's for sure. It's go to Germany, just check out some different breweries. So Germany is the first one on your list. It is absolutely and I've heard good things about Amsterdam as well. A lot of good bad breweries there. So Just a gear up in general has to be any checkout and so there's a lot of events for beers in Germany and Europe and how about in Ottawa? Do you go to a lot of those beer festivals right? yes yeah I used to do a lot more but I've noticed that they're super expensive and you don't get the full beers you get the tasters so which is good and bad, right because they cost more but you get to country taste more beers so either for a few years in a row now but I ended a couple years ago so yeah, and then I went to one which is probably the best one just in terms of the costs and the I guess it all depends if you're in your friends are going with you and whatnot so
yeah, yeah, if you're going with bad company, it's just gonna be
worse but at least you have beer there if you do have bad company. Exactly. Exactly. Know when you do try these craft beers. What are some key things you look for for like say new taste?
Well, I'm huge in the fruity beers. I know some people love it or hate it, and I'm huge in the sours. So I feel like there's always sours early. taken on an Life its own now. And it feels like more and more breweries are spitting them out which is good. So that's kind of what I look for. In the grocery store or lcbo or beer store. I'll look for kind of fruit based ones shot some people crazy, but uh, it's more of a summer thing. I think.
Also, you wouldn't drink like fruit base during the winter.
I definitely went there's a little harder to find.
Okay, yeah, you actually got me on to blueberry.
Hit the blueberry week. Yeah, yeah.
I just enjoyed my father took it to my father's like, what is this?
I know, I'd seen
my dad's the same way. But you know what? It's very it's different. It's cool. I love it. And for you, when you do drink these beers, do you collect the bottle caps the bottles. I know some people peel the stickers or anything like that. Yeah,
me my old roommate used to collect for rhyme and reason back in university, the collective arts has a really cool thing they do where they print out different people's art and put it on the bottles and the cans. So we would peel the labels off there and kind of make a collage of it. But other than that, I don't Correct anything else? No Does the art on the beer cans or beer bottles? Does that play a role? And when you're selecting it, I guess whatever jumps out at me right like that would jumped a lot quicker than something that's just not as creatively labeled. So yeah, I guess yeah, it does it play a role in the marketing aspect for sure. Now, this is a tough
question. But if you had the chance to design a beer bottle or beer can what kind of like design would you use? I know it's really tough.
Oh, geez, I haven't thought about that.
Like a lot of colors abstract, or is it like more like, let's say rugged legacy cars, or I don't know something more?
I guess we have to be branding, right? Like when you look at a beer, you want to know, okay, if I'm looking for a specific type of beer, and some breweries are really good at it, as soon as you look past it, you know, that's a certain brewery kind of like what a collective versus the art label and as soon as I pass a bunch of arts, sorry, Kansa look like art, then I know is that so? For myself? I I don't know. I might do like the no on Route one this have like all one color. So just
exactly. It just says beer.
Well, not directly that but yeah, I'd have to think of the more creative name that's for sure. But something that branding would have to be there so maybe something else similar. Was there one that really stood out for you? And you're like, wow, this is pretty cool. And I really enjoyed one like the design on the beer can or beer. Oh,
geez, I can be specific. Know, you love them all. I love them.
It's true. And now speaking about loving it, what would you say is your top three favorite craft beers?
That's hard to choose actually since there's so many good ones and I forget some of them too. That's the problem with not documenting and I guess beyond the pale here nada has a had a good one I haven't seen in a while it's called party animal is Imperial IPA. And that's like that my first kind of foray into the hop world. So it just like I guess it was the most flavorful beer I've had up my first started so that was kind of a lasting impression that I've had with that Dominion city makes all the difference. season one. It's like a Bumble berry ghosts. So I made sure to bomb barriers but it tasted amazing. actually got it down the street at Red Door, the glow coffee shop last year and it's like the one that got away I can't find anywhere else. I'm not sure when they're going to make it next and then the third one I think would have to be bellwoods in Toronto they're one of my favorite breweries just in terms of their sour say but a jelly King lineup that just they make so many different kind of sours like a guava sour or strawberry sour so any any kind of their sours. I would definitely pick up
Have you ever when you go to these are good about beer. Have you ever been to a brewer and just did like a tour of how they make it?
Yeah, it's called like the brew donkey. I've done that. And I guess I'd be the closest thing to what you're asking is one of those I don't know it's a thing in auto where they rent the bus and you go around to three different Bruce and then to kind of show you the process, how they make it and where they started. So that's kind of cool getting history of some of these breweries. And
for you what is the most interesting beer that you've ever tasted that you did not expect? that tasted come? I was like, Whoa, that was like so cool. so unique. Like, Oak pineapple. Oh, yeah,
no, it's even worse than that. Actually, probably the most interesting is one of the grossest beers had to, I thought it was like a maple bacon beer that I've had. And they nailed the flavor, unfortunately. And it was like, it was like such a decadent dessert beer that just the flavor of bacon is the last thing you want to make late at night when you're hanging out with friends. If you I guess, especially if you're drinking it. Of course, I love bacon, but not when you're drinking it. So they know that kudos to the brewery who nailed the flavor, but that was my cup of tea.
So it's kind of like those Lay's chips where they just like, you know, screw it. today. We're gonna make peanut butter chips. Yeah,
it's ambitious for sure. For sure.
Were there any beers that you just looked at the cans like this is the flavor and you're like, you know what, I'm not gonna buy that one. Oh, just because of that, like Woodson legacy maple.
I can't think of one off memory actually the one that like I refuse to buy because of flavor. No, I usually pick up allergy try everything once in terms of beers. So I pride myself on that at least because a lot of areas of my life I don't do that with food. I'm pretty picky as my girlfriend contest and yeah, so beer is kinda it's my, were kind of get a little more adventurous and speaking about being adventurous. You're really good with these segues. Have you ever considered making your own beer? Or have you made your own beer? I've done it several times with friends. I guess half of them turned out to be utter crap, which is okay because you learn so and the other half turned out to be somewhat drinkable. I consider that a win. So we made a coconut Porter couple of years ago, which is pretty interesting. We tried, we roasted some coconut in the oven. We didn't use any extract which probably should have would have brought the flavor a little more because it was very subtle when you use coconut It's called shave coconut. So he dumped that in the secondary. The Porter itself is okay, this is really thick so it didn't last that long maybe it wouldn't keep properly so beta throw out some of it but when it first came out it was actually pretty okay.
So what were you gonna run me through the process of how you like first of all how you decide like today we're going to try to make this flavor and then your process like how do you start for people who like myself who don't know how to make their own craft beer?
Yet me my friends I've unfortunate that would say obsession, but we want to make kind of crazy a craft beers, or more adventurous ones, which can lead us in some trouble, like I mentioned, like we use ingredients that we haven't used before. We rarely just make a regular IPA or a lager, even though those are probably a little easier to make than if you use fruits or whatnot. Because what fruit and contaminate your beer a little bit easier. It's about a depends on who you're doing it with, but a six hour process to doodle. And so Yeah, my one buddy who's now in the system for at Russell and Parry Sound, he had a lot of the equipment that we would use. So I would go to his place and start brewing up. But uh, yeah.
And did you guys like drink the beer? Like, yeah, this is good, or you just like, take us up like, no, we're throwing it out.
Well, you make beer, then it'll let it sit for at least me around six weeks, and then you have the bottle of beer, or transfer it into a secondary carboy. And then so when you make it, you don't, you're not really sure what you're getting right away. It's a lot better if you could find out sooner if it went well or not. So you can have to do multiple batches and see where the arrow went wrong or whatnot,
which is that you developed a nose and you could smell it. Like when it's done. You're like, yeah, this this smells right.
It smells great when you're boiling and making the war which is basically the sugar water which you have to ferment later on. But there is a certain smell to it. That's really nice. So when you go to the breweries that's pervane smell, you get And the hops of course but yeah, you definitely get the smell
Are you currently working on any beers right now? Oh,
but we might my neighbor my really good friend we made a blueberry beer back in I think it was May that we still have the bottle so it just sitting in our basement in a second a glass carboy usually you're supposed to bottle then six weeks or a couple months but we've kind of just like having got around to it so it's just sitting in his basement all summer long, which I guess it's still good so we can still bottle it and we will but um, it could turn to another unfortunate disaster but
that's what the price we pay who knows you might be stumbling upon the next great craft beer and in this process Exactly.
If we did we didn't write anything down so that we wouldn't be able to recreate it here just by by another accident then once again you forget again. Exactly. We're very much go with the flow, which is okay, but if something if we make a really good beer, it's gonna be unfortunate as well since we don't know how to recreate it. Would you ever consider Having like a side job doing
craft beer, a side job? Like selling it to people like a farmers market?
Yeah, maybe I haven't really considered it to be honest. But maybe Yeah, I think it'd be kind of fun to promote a specific type of brewery or I feel strongly about, I think so I think I would do it for that. You don't do it for the money, that's for sure. But you do it if you want to promote the brewery itself.
Well, if you do ever choose to start craft beer company or anything like that, I'm really promoted. I'm going to
be the Hitman for sure. Exactly.
That's the only thing I'm good for is hiring people up. Come check out this hobby. Come check out Matt and his craft beer comm check out this basement with his beer. There
you got high energy. So it's not a lot of people can say that.
My wife says I say she says I have way too much of it.
Now, what would you say are some misconceptions about people who are craft beer enthusiasts
that they won't drink the regular domestic beer in the Canadian about blue and whatnot. So they To be fair, actually because there's a fine line between a beer snob where you won't go to certain bars because they they don't sell craft beer or just going with the flow enjoying craft beer when the opportunity arises. So I try not to be a snob sometimes but a lot of my friends have similar tastes which is nice but I'd say if I'm going with my dad and us wants to have a beer then share out I'm not gonna say no because they don't sell particular beer. You're just gonna have that smoke face on your
butt I get it I get it if you ever preference everybody does not likes everything yeah, exactly you can have which do you also like other types of alcohol let's say hard liquor. No
God knowing no god no so that's maybe why I'm jumping into the I jumped onto this beer train for Nick I went all in and because that's pretty much anything I all I can drink. Is it just I sound like a raging alcoholic here but I promise you I'm not that much. Just talk on beer all the time. Of course it makes me sound like that. But uh, no liquor like just to become a was just can't do it won't do. I
know I do know you have some grapes growing in your backyard I've ever considered making wine even though you don't drink it just the idea of making it.
Yeah, just something honest about making your own wine or making your own anything, actually. So it's a good idea. And I know my one, my neighbor who made the blueberry with, he kind of wants to try it. So I think maybe one day we'll
well if you need a test guinea pig, I'm two minutes away. We've established that at the beginning of the episode. You can literally just throw the bottle at my house and I'll
catch Yeah, yeah, brave man.
So what has being a craft beer enthusiast taught you in life?
Good question. Actually, I think the support more homegrown in locally sourced ingredients and breweries went and whatnot. Just like I said, in the intro kind of thing, just the way these guys really cared about the community and put the energy back into the community. Yeah, it I would. That's what I learned not just by the mass produced Just because it's a little bit cheaper or more convenience, just go the extra step and kind of buy more homegrown items and not just for beer but
anything in your community. Speaking about the community itself, how is the community here in Ottawa
it's really grown since when I went to my first garden cotton to it back in around 2013. So it's been six years now and a few more breweries have popped up and I think it's gained widespread traction you can see that Nielsen iOS Of course, they were an entire shelves and they dedicate a lot of the first place to craft beers now, which is nice, because when I first got into it, it was a little bit of a nice thing. So sound like such a hipster on and say that but yeah, but now it's a lot more easier to get it now. And so it's grown. It's really grown. I know a couple of breweries have in Ottawa have expanded, like beyond the pale have, they've moved from the original spot to a bigger location to be able to produce more and I think it just hit me as well and broadheads I think those are the big three that moved. But yeah.
And where do you usually go to gain more information about new craft beers, let's say Reddit magazines, other websites?
Probably Instagram Actually, I follow a lot of breweries, and whenever they drop a new beer, they'll drop it there. First, pretty much. So that's a great way of just checking out what's new. And if I have to go all go to their website, find out more about it. And speaking of websites that a lot of berries are breweries, sorry, are mailing their beer now, so you can order it online, which makes it even more convenient to buy something if you like, especially for a brewery on the other side of Ontario be easier to go to rather than hoping it's in the lcbo. So yeah, it's been easier to get it which is nice to see.
No one to do dude over online. Do they ship it to your house? Or do you have to go pick it up somewhere? Because I can imagine that if you're in the middle of the day I work you don't want your beer?
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I'll get stolen so quick dates shipped to the local post office. I believe
Okay, so yeah, your local post office
as a minute awaits on my way to you. So if I order something and we should pick it up and come down to your place,
perfect, perfect. I just I could just imagine the post office just full of beer. Beer store. Yeah, exactly. That's true. And so for this hobby, do you want to present it to the world are keeping more as an escape from reality? So let's say you just want to keep it for yourself.
No, I think the more the merrier. Like I said, I'm not a hipster that wants to have it just still be a nice thing where only a certain amount of people can enjoy it. I think it's a it's a positive thing. So why not share it
has learning about craft beer, the whole craft beer experience, Has that ever stressed you out? At any point? Whether it's making it or just trying to get the right information or knowing where to go to get the right information?
It's just out maybe my wallet but uh, it's a little expensive for sure. But I think the most stressful thing is just making it in collecting ingredients and making sure you have the right equipment. But even that it's fun. Like, I feel like it's not how the beer tastes of the of the dates to make it with friends. So I feel like I identify that strongly when local craft breweries have it and you know, the same people who are brewing it and whatnot. So yeah, it's more about making it.
And on the flip side, has it ever happened? So you had a long day of work and you come back home, you say, you know what, I want to try to just make craft beer. I just want to sit on the couch and just enjoy this one beer just for the taste and just to relax and enjoy my hobby.
Absolutely. I'd rather just say three times, or I'll just kick back on Monday and just have a beer. But I'm, of course I'm not adverse to just having I don't like a global culture or something. Something crisp and easier on the palate. So I'm not like I said, I'm not that picky. But I would like the flavor profile when I yeah, when I kind of want it. I want it I want
it. I'm not gonna stop you.
And what was your biggest challenge when you first started this hobby
biggest challenge? Like I mentioned earlier, it was That widespread. So just finding different ones was kind of difficult, or maybe just lugging it to, especially in wintertime and auto just lugging it to a brewery that you want to try a new beer, especially because they're limited releases. So you're not gonna see it in the summertime or it doesn't say the brewery that long. So lugging the wintertime and lugging at home, but you do it for love.
The love of the beer. Now this might be a stupid question, but is there a better season for craft beer in your opinion?
A better season it depends on your tastes, because I know now when September so a lot of the Oktoberfest beers are in the pumpkin beers are common in I'm not a pumpkin beer kind of guy. Myself, but I'm not sure if you are. I am whatever kind of beer you suggested I drink the kind of beer like probably spring or summer that's when this the fruit beers come out. But also there's something to be said about winter in like a nice dark stout or a porter. So I guess every season has their advantages.
And this is another stupid question, but Do you prefer can or bottle because I hear some people saying it hasn't been an effect on the taste?
It doesn't matter to me. I know a lot of breweries you said selling growlers which are like giant bottles. But um, no doesn't matter. canning is easier to carry in bring home and yeah, I think if anything, probably talking
and what is your current biggest challenge?
Current biggest challenge is to get my dad into craft brewery. Craft Beer sorry. He is very old school. You like his Molson export or Molson Canadian, which is nothing wrong with that, of course, but whenever I try to offer him another beer, he I'll give him credit. He tries it but he'll absolutely hate it. So I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong giving him Maybe he just has a completely different palate. I do. But uh, yeah, I recommend a lot of beers to my friends and they usually enjoy them at least or if they're lying to me, then they're good liars. I enjoy.
Enjoy the views recommend.
I am not lying, but I guess it would be a yes try get my data or something? Anything? Have you convinced him for any kind of beer? Like you saw some progress at one point and now I'm thinking, No, I haven't actually that's the that's the sad part. So I guess it's more of an ego thing now. Maybe because I just keep on trying to push the fruit beer some and it just it's a no go
my does the exact same. What is why Why? Why? Look? Yeah,
he's, I guess. Yeah, he just likes what he likes, right? You can argue that.
Yep. So I guess I'm just as hard headed as my phone.
And do you have any word of advice for anybody who might be interested in picking up craft beer enthusiasm as a hobby?
Yeah. Don't be afraid to try new things. I know. It's easy to get comfortable and what you like but um, yeah, you can just plenty of different breweries out there. And if you even if you go to them, they'll explain what the beer tastes like. So you don't have to waste money. Usually they'll give you samples. So you can find out what you like before you buy but trying to be intimidated by the agenda because there's some people who are absolutely diehards in craft beer that will almost shame you for not drinking a beer. certain type of beer I'm not liking it. So just kind of Janet the background noise of when they speak and just try to follow your palate and if you like something awesome if you don't, then that's okay too. Yeah, it's very subjective. subjective. Yeah,
everybody has different tastes exactly. Is I forget, I forgot to ask this at the beginning of the episode, but do you have any social media links or websites or anything like that you'd like to share. It can also be your own personal websites or social media links or anything or even websites that you like to go to to gain additional information.
I wouldn't say follow my personal page of Instagram because I'm, I don't post that much on it. Sometimes I post bearly items, but mostly just pictures of nature or dogs. So
which goes great with beer.
If I can recommend anything just fine. The town you're living in and chances are they have a craft brewery so school your town craft breweries and kind of just browser there, what beer they sell and who they are and why they started they usually have a pretty good about us. section and just try to learn more about the local businesses around you.
And imagine today is just becoming more and more popular. So pretty much every in any town should have one. Somebody who's like inspired to create a new beer. So yeah, go out. Don't be shy and talk to people. Exactly. Hey, you like beer?
Yeah. All right. Make it great way to connect to meet new people. And it's an icebreaker. And yeah,
yeah. And so the last question is one where I'm never prepared for but I'm always excited for Do you have any questions for me about craft beer? Kind of like,
maybe it's a two part question and I feel a little bad because I'm rehashing when you quit. When your questions but what is your favorite beer?
My favorite beer? Oh, God, the names are escaping. I was one. Okay. It was a metro
like a witness protection trying to describe like yeah, alright, so the beer can was tall,
But you know what? No, actually, unlike the beers any beers that has blueberry, you got me hooked on blueberry blueberry Okay,
okay, that's fair. I can respect that. Is there one specific blueberry beer that I should taste? I think that's when you fat is the broadhead. One, that's probably the most blueberry esque that we can find it probably easiest to find an auto at least. other question is, if you had to make a beer, what would you want in it to kind of make it like yours?
Um, so I'm that kind of cook that just improvise a lot, right? And I'd like to try new things. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't work. When I was younger. I do. I'll get back to that when I was younger, but I would I'm definitely on the fruit train. So I don't know maybe whether it is good or not a try. Maybe pineapple. Oh, yeah. Welcome. The tangy taste.
My mind doesn't think the logic is like, I like Pilobolus. Yeah,
now this idea figuring out how the hell you get it in there.
Well, basically my mind's like, Oh, I like this food individually, like this food individually. So that's why when I was a kid, I'm like, I like spaghetti. I like cheese.
I like ketchup.
I like peanut butter. Let's put them all together. Yeah. Oh, Kill. It was not good. No kidding. But I guess that's how like new foods are created by combining two different foods you like. And I would imagine it's the same thing for beer. So maybe pineapple.
Is that a good idea or not? There's
a lot of panicles beers out there. So I think you could do it
for sure. How about banana?
Yeah, usually you don't put actual banana and beer by you. They shove it in.
A lot of a
lot of half always think tastes kind of like the nanny coleauxv. So yeah, thank you, I can actually give you one of those
real love that
I know it sounds with Amber and actually we found it so.
Okay, so the better question is, is there a fruit I should not use in a beer
may not have particular fruit but don't use bacon?
Bacon. I knew someone who actually was an avid and homebrewer who tried to make it bacon beer. And instead of using I'm not even sure if they can extract as a thing, but he just fried up a ton of bacon and brewed his beer and then dumped bacon into the into the beer in the secondary so sits there for three weeks or three, six weeks. And then after that he went to bottle it in just the bacon at the bottom of the cart, the glass carboy it was just atrocious. Oh, don't use that.
So any non preservatives?
Okay, that's good to know. So yeah, there you have it another body with a hobby. Thank you so much man for coming on and opening my mind up to all these horrible things that I could possibly create. That could maybe kill somebody that I don't want to kill somebody. But my imagination is running wild now and what kind of beers I can make? I'm like, just the guys like, Oh, that's a tree with fruits on it. I don't know what fruit is. But I'm just gonna take it and
turn into exactly. He said, there you go. But
yeah, so if you guys are interested in craft beer, by all means, go check out your local craft beer. Yeah. Your stores or anything like that. Go online gain information because I'm sure the community is very opening is not competitive cutthroat. No, they're
not. It's nice.
Yeah, exactly. It's very welcoming. And if you would like to be on my panel, or have any questions at all, you could send me an email at time for your hobby at gmail. com. And of course, if you think this episode's going to be helpful for anybody, by all means, share with them maybe creating a craft beer is like something new for them something cool, something that will help them relax. So I kind of like cooking but you can get drunk. Exactly. But once again, control the limits you drank. I'm not your father, you can do whatever you want. That's just my word of advice. But once again, Matt, thank you so much.
Thank you, Alex. appreciate you having me on.
So Until the next episode, make some time for your hobby. Take care.