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Guys, welcome back to the chief life podcast. I'm Matthias Turner and today on superstar I've got Dr. Michael Smith Smith with me Sorry swift Smith. There we go. So you Why I switched stuff that was because I was going straight into website next. I was looking ahead by Dr. Michael. Welcome. Hi, I should I call you and this is dramatic. Not He's fine. Maddie is fine. Yeah, definitely. So your website Integrative Health Solutions. You've got a podcast, which is fusion health, radio, sorry, which is a podcast where east and west medicines kind of meat, which is really cool, as long as you got your book returning to an ancestral diet. So I mean, you've got an awesome background. I'm really excited to dive into it. So maybe you've actually you could kind of take us a little bit through your background like, tell us a little bit about your upbringing, Michael.
So I have a bit of a strange upbringing because I grew up in a hunting lodge guest lodge ranch. In the middle of nowhere we had a generator for electricity we would use once in a while so I spent most of my childhood in the bush trapping tracking hunting fishing. Looking at trees and watching time go by because there was no like, way to get electricity or this is back on like, like 60s early 70s. So, you know, back then you didn't have satellite so if you'd have direct access to any kind of TV or radio you were all by yourself.
Yeah, definitely. I mean so using a generator was it petrol run? Or was it a fire on one?
Oh no, I think was diesel actually because we had guests come so like when we had a bunch of people there and you know, had to have the lights rang, but most most time if we didn't need it, like you didn't need it, and it was noisy anyway, so.
Okay, and so your, your background and I guess going into this a little bit more, you were raised by first nations of Canada, right?
Well, I have two different tracks in my ancestry for Aboriginal people or indigenous people. So I was raised partially in that culture and cultural environment and also in my family because of marriage and you know, how everyone's I guess met each other. I have about half of my family is not white and half of my family is white guys. And so the people I grew up around and and in that way, so in my life has just sort of become kind of a default setting that okay, I'm mixed race and this is my, you know, kind of place in the world and all that, although it's a funny story, but when I was really embarrassed about that, because it's not a great thing to be sometimes I used to tell people as part Chinese because I was as a martial arts teacher and it actually went across better if people thought I was part Chinese. So that's embarrassing in a way, but I'm just bringing that up just because there's two sides to the Aboriginal coin. You know, one is there is sort of a romantic idea around it. And to there's about 500 years or, you know, bones, you're dragging around with you everywhere you go.
Yeah, definitely. It's kind of a crazy thing, something I've never actually had to deal with myself of having to hide, hide anything of my ancestry. So, I mean, maybe you could, could you talk about that a little bit more like what what were the things that were happening and why was it easiest just to say, Hey, I'm part Chinese.
racism. I'm not I've never been to Australia, although I would love to come down there because every time I see it, I just want to go wow, I want to be there be there. But But here in Canada If you're what people call our reservation DN or somebody who didn't grow up in a city and you were very well socialized, people basically just assumed you were on your road to being an addict. You're on the road to being a street person here on the road to basically living off the taxes of, you know, non Aboriginal people. Because you were too broken to get your life together. So there were there was just that solid. When we first moved to the city, actually, my grandmother who's the primary part of my ancestry, she actually got us to curl curl our hair and tell people we were Mexican. But that was what 10 years old when that happened when I when I told people I was Chinese. I was in my 20s. And it was just because I was teaching kung fu and it was a lot easier than saying, Oh, yeah, I'm part need of and have to deal with all that stuff. Right?
Yeah, it's interesting. I actually, I do have some Aboriginal family here in Australia. And so I'm pretty sure how it works is my my mom's Grandma, her cousin. left her partner and got with a like, married an Aboriginal man. And so we've got cousins, I don't know how far removed they are, I think it'd be like third or fourth cousins. And I grew up with Eli, my cousin who was probably he was, I think nine months older. It was just kind of crazy even even in the 90s going through and seeing some of that that racial difference that was happening with me and him going around just growing up in the streets and some of some of the comments that he would get and it would it would enrage him sometimes the things that people were saying I would always be there right by side like, Hey, you don't say that. Like it's just kind of crazy. I always thought it was just the kids were brutal that kids had no filter and that's why it was that's why they were saying it but what what scares me is that it's still a thing in the world that there is still parts of the world where where there is still a lot of racism going on.
Yeah, I mean, I didn't become a martial arts teacher by accident, because once we moved to the city, it was being mixed blood. I got into fights with the kids that were full Bloods and then I got into fights the kids that are not native so learning to fight kind of became a thing and and I'm just sharing this because of what you just said about your your second third cousin there and he I think he said Eli
Eli. Yeah. Yeah.
It's probably similar in Australia, it is Canada, we're fairly similar cultures, I think, you know, no matter what your races when you're going through earlier school and high school, you know, we're all kind of in Baldwin, say, a prison. But we're all kind of in this track where you're kind of stuck in. The racism is predictable, and the violence is predictable. And the social job you have to perform is pretty obvious and predictable. But once you're out of high school, unless you're going to college or you already have a trade or a job. Being Aboriginal in most parts of the world basically means you're going to be lining up for welfare while you try and find a job where people aren't going to judge you because your race. It's a lot. It's a lot better nowadays, but like 30 I mean, I'm in my 50s now, so yeah, but 30 odd years ago. I mean, it was, it was just not good. Yeah. You know, for for getting most things done, you know, in your life so and, and it's abysmal, like, you know, so many people I know that I mean, most of the people I grew up with as a in high school are now dead and they mostly died in prison. That's right. So it's just just to say like a, you know, I'm not into politics. I'm not trying to like point fingers at anyone here. I'm, you know, I'm a man of peace, love and healing, but I'm also a warrior. And I really want to speak to the truth that I hope we can grow up around that a little bit, you know, and maybe start asking cultures that are 50,000 years old, what you know, might be some long term thinking and, you know, with respects to cultures that are maybe a few hundred years old, you know, yeah, because it's just just if you meet somebody on a bus, and they're like, Hey, I come from a 50,000 year old culture and you're like, Oh, yeah, mines 200 years old. You don't have a conversation. You know, you cannot assume who's going to have the maybe a deeper bit of wisdom to rely on some time. I
think with, with the racial discrimination that's going on so many people become just like they become unattached to the background to the ancestries. And I think that's why it's super cool and why they really did want to talk to you about what what you know, and what you have as a background, because you've kind of delve deeper into everything that that is in walls of your culture. And that's something that really excites me. I think that's absolutely incredible. When it comes to a lot of people, like I mean, I know Aboriginals here in Australia that you talk to them about, like I was talking to them about, there's a thing called a song line. And the song line is yes, so you'd be very familiar with this. It's the song that you sing when you meet a new tribe, and it tells tells your past and tells your ancestry of your tribe. And I told these Aboriginals about like, Hey, did you know anything about this? Can you tell me more about it? And they're like, no, sorry, we don't know anything of it. And it's because I guess somewhere along the way, where racism kicked into much it was easier for them to say, like, I'm going to remove that Part of me instead and try become someone else in inverted commas, instead of actually connecting myself to that, which I find is really upsetting. It's kind of crazy that that's the way that the world has gone.
I mean, the most upsetting part of that. I mean, I've had the benefit of after I got over pretending I was trying. And you know, I kind of got going in my mid 20s to sweat lodges and and other ceremonies. And I've spent probably, you know, at least last 20 years, being raised up in a traditional way by elders and medicine people in those traditions and I mean, what vast beautiful, caring, gentle wisdom, but to find people that are willing to teach you took me a long time, because when I first started looking for, for like a master in the sense of like, kung fu or whatever, most of the elders, they were Aboriginal here in Canada, you know, they kind of raised an eyebrow and it's like, well, how long are you going to be around for you know, are you going to take care of these people here are you just going to come and learn, you know, some sweat lodge songs and go away and try and become a fake, you know, hippie shaman or whatever. So there's there's a natural kind of Karen and protection. And it's also, you know, it's, I apologize if this this isn't, you know, a fun conversation, but I'm sure it will be in a minute. You know, for the last 200 years in Canada, they've been trying to kill every language and every part of culture from Aboriginal people that they could. And even in the 19, late 60s, they had what they called the white paper, literally, the white paper, where the mandate was to still abolish all language and culture from Aboriginal people. Right. So it's, and again, this isn't hopefully going to go too far into into that, but it's just to be aware of that. I mean, there's so few elders and medicine people in the world now, outside of maybe South America and Central America that really, really remember and it's so precious to find them. And I mean, there's such what what people would call songlines, from where I am, I mean, we actually call it singing the land. Because in those languages there there's a lot more verbs and move. imagery in the language than English. English is kind of like a production or commercial language in a way. Yeah. So So when you're hearing an Aboriginal language, I mean, in your mind, you're seeing people coming over mountains and seeing the exact tributaries of water and understanding your south facing of the Sun and the movement of air. So you know, where the food is where the sources of life are. So when you're telling these stories, you're also telling them how to live on the land.
That's incredible. And so I mean, for you, having that background. I mean, you've got a really interesting story in the fact that you were living from the land. And then as you start to grow up, you start to make your own decisions based around what you want to do with your food and ended up getting sick from that. Could you kind of dive into that a little bit deeper as to what happened there?
Oh, yeah. So I came over exactly how old I was. I was in my maybe early 20s. And I had the good fortune to be studying with a very high level martial arts master. And at a certain point in training, he kind of started pushing The vegetarian thing with respect to spiritual practice and but some people imagine maybe a higher level of energy and things like that. And I thought, Wow, that sounds like free what I need to do and, you know, I was I think I had spent most of that part of my life just trying to focus just to keep myself busy and I trained six hours a day for almost a decade with that guy, you know, so it was pretty serious. So I said, Okay, I'll be a vegetarian and unfortunately, I grew up on moose meat and berries and mushrooms and stuff. So my immune system now that I know a hell of a lot more about it, and my digestive system and my epigenetics, were basically just saying, Are you kidding to tofu and brown rice? Every was like, what kind of madness is and it eventually triggered Crohn's and colitis, and I actually ended up almost dying. I went from 165 pound fighting weight as a martial artist, 212 pound dying guy in the intensive care unit, you know, in a few about three months, but it took that long it's called Fiverr Wow, I mean, I was I was a vegetarian for about three and a half years when I started getting sick. He was like really fast like
crazy. Hundred and 12 pounds. That's insane.
Yeah, this was a I mean, it was a near death experience being that close to the end dead.
And so what changed?
Well, I when I just found my head tell all the people in the hospital that gave me all the right drugs because I was being a real stubborn dumb ass by trying everything I could because I didn't want a colostomy bag. Yeah. And I was studying medicine at the time I was getting sick and you know, correlations are there before stressing stuff, but I knew it was Crohn's or colitis probably six or seven months before it got really, really bad. So I was trying to treat it in the way that I understood it with lots of crazy Herbes and acupuncture and other things, but autoimmune diseases have a lot more momentum and subtle medicine has subtle momentum. So I eventually needed some really big scary He's like a sledgehammer medicine when I was in the hospital. So I put a lot of whatever statistic makes you comfortable if you're listening to this on the medicine about the second night that I was in the ICU, and they given me three days to live because of, you know, blood tests in house, like, I'm a senior that I was a catabolic that I was. And they were doing everything they could to save me. But in the second night, I had this visitation from my grandmother, who's the native woman, and I'm completely as a clinician willing to say, it was painkilling medication. I mean, maybe I've seen ghosts in the past, maybe I haven't, but I don't literally need that to be true. I just had an interesting conversation with some part of icon subconscious and or the spirit of my dead grandmother about shame, trauma, child abuse and rage, and how I was holding all of that in my gut. And I didn't really understand what she was talking about because I was focused on fighting everybody. But it was about maybe 10 years later, I was doing I Alaska, with some people from Peter and beautiful, powerful ceremonies. And then all of this memory came back of me being abused as a child sexually abused. And why again, I was so like, hell bent to fight anybody, like no matter who, how big or whatever, you know, since I was a kid, and eventually I got to kind of like, work that out, you know, and it's, it's still a part of like day to day life when you have those kind of memories. But I've spent most of the probably the last 15 years focusing on PTSD and addiction and trauma as a part of autoimmune disease, because they're also interconnected. It's, I'm finishing is one book I'm working on right now. But the next book I really want to write is about the connection between autoimmune disease trauma and addiction. Wow,
that's really cool. I mean, auto immune disease is something that's becoming more and more prevalent in this day and age. We're seeing it pop up with things one in five people.
One in five brother, holy cow, insane, right?
absolutely insane. And so I mean, like the There's all sorts of different different disorders and different diseases that are popping up because of it. But there's a fair bit of, I guess, conflict around why it might be coming, what might be happening, I guess, one thing to talk about might be, what can we do if we get to this stage or autoimmune? Does it does it come to always be in hospital or not? And obviously, there's the things we can do before we get to that stage, right?
Yeah, I'd say probably 60 70% of people are gradually diagnosed from repetitive visits to their regular doctor. And then they're referred to a specialist who will do more advanced testing or know what exactly they're looking at. Because the the inner workings of it are very, very complicated. One thing it depends on what you want to get mean to Maddie. So it's up to you. But one of the easiest ways to really understand the autoimmune protocol, are a lot of winning processes, something that I've developed, it's called the spectrum so there's like five stages to how people get it. So if you want to get into that we it's more about kind of like, okay, so basically this happens to everybody with an autoimmune disease in the sense of progression. And this time between any of these things is up to the universe for people flipping coins or something because it's it's very individual, but the process is not for most people. So usually in stage one autoimmunity, you're going to see a lot of allergies and random reactions, random symptoms, often, especially in children who have ear aches and strep throat and get their tonsils out or eczema or asthma. All of those things that are just sort of what we think of is what our overall allergy rated infectious related related conditions again, mostly in kids that are treated with antibiotics or steroids. Yeah. Right. So that's like a big warning sign in the first questions I asked my patients once we sit down and basically get to know each other. These are the first questions were you born by C section or breastfed If not, that's not good. If you were born with a GMO or asthma, that's really not good. If you had otitis media or really bad ear aches where you needed antibiotics or tubes put in your ears, that's really not good. And I could go on and on and on. But it just to give people a sense that there there's like warning signs for autoimmune disease and over 80% of my complex patients, when I ask them those questions, they answer about four out of 10 to eight of eight out of 10 of three preclinical markers that are often just tossed off as kids stuff. Yeah. Right. Instead of saying, well, maybe you should do something about that. So that's the stage one and it could start at any point in your life. I've had 40 year olds show up who've been athletes, and now they're burned out and their neurotransmitters are lacking, their immune system is struggling, and they're having weird allergies and you know, skin stuff, or you know, things like that. So the body tells us kind of at the beginning, the same story, which is, Hey, I'm pissed off about the environment and my skin and my guts. wherever we're fighting in a way that's not regulated. So the second stage is kind of more of a stubborn tired situation where a person has chronic symptoms, they may have been diagnosed with something that I've just talked about, or something that's just a little bit more like IBS or insomnia or, you know, moderate depression or misunderstood versions of arthritis or things like that, where they're just sort of told, well, you know, it's going to be chronic, and you probably should take medication and, you know, go out of your way to find other supportive if you know, you're willing to do so. And those people are what we would call pre autoimmune or hidden autoimmune. And it really depends on the condition in their childhood, but if you see someone who's got chronic, you know, inflammatory based health problems, and their childhood is a high, you know, checklist of all those kind of conditions. Now, you're talking to someone who's pre autoimmune, not somebody with IBS, and you know, tendinitis or something like that. Yeah. When you're in stage three, you have a fixed a model and you Disease you're being treated for it clinically, usually with immune suppressant steroids. Again, antibiotics, painkillers and funny things to make your moods go well flatter, you know, or at least not lower. And now you're because you're an autoimmune patient, it makes more sense to start getting into the protocols for autoimmunity. stage four is when you have more than one, autoimmune diagnosis. So now it's complex autoimmune. And those people it's a few it's the minimum two years to to basically sort stage four. And stage five is when the clinicians have told you that because of your age, or because of the extremity of the disease that you know, you should get your affairs in order because it's now more better terminal process which can take years or months depending on what's happening. So that's sort of the the step by step process that I've been seeing. And, I mean, I wish I had like 25 more years of practice, because this is about my 25th year and I think I'm just starting to understand what I'm doing. I'm not saying that to be like shy. I'm not making some passive aggressive hint here. I'm just saying like, No, I think I really am starting to get good questions. Yeah,
yeah, definitely. I mean, it is such a big thing that we need to unravel, really. But I mean, any stage of this, say for instance, they've gone through stage one. There's things that they can do to unravel and make sure that they're not going to step through stages. 234 and five, is that correct?
Yeah, so stage one is usually a three day fast and 28 days on what people call an AI p or an autoimmune protocol. Yeah. They don't usually have to take it as severely as some processes or protocols you might get into. But it's a minimum 28 days of no garbage. No caffeine, alcohol, sugar, no grains, beans, nuts or seeds and all that kind of stuff. Usually, I recommend meditation, sensory deprivation tanks, breath work. If they practice some kind of Chico or yoga, then we try and use that as a To keep a felt sense relationship with the body. In the research I'm doing right now really has to do with epigenetic signaling around what's called loss of self tolerance, which is the actual clinical description of autoimmunity. Yeah. Right. So so I'm trying to always get people to recognize without, in stage one, I don't tell people I think you have an autoimmune disease unless I'm convinced that I'm trying to get their attention. Which I have been very often. The thing is, is to just like let people know, you know, whatever you can do to have a really good connection with yourself semantically with patients with you know, just giving your default mode network and your brain a chance to talk to you for an hour a day or something through basic meditation, even if I mean everyone spends a couple years in hell when they learn to meditate, just listening to self talk, but you kind of need to do that for your brain to actually get over itself. Yeah,
yeah, definitely. And
it's that's like, that's like instinctual physiology. It's not like there's there's something wrong with you. If you're sitting there listening yourself talk. Your brain just hasn't finished. It's like a kid who wants to tell you a story. He just needs to tell you the story until you laugh the right way. Yeah,
it's a good way for you never heard it that way. We've actually just recently launched a 12 week program, which is a happy program. So autoimmune protocol. And pretty much we've got this new nutrition coach on Beck braids, who's absolutely incredible. And this is her elements kind of everything that she delves into. So she's like, Hey, I really want to start a nutrition program through you guys. 12 weeks going through where we literally count you count your diet back to basics and then support you through it. Because sometimes the hardest thing is actually just sticking to it. Like people just get to the stage where even though they're sick, they just find it so hard, because it feels like they so far removed from everything and everyone, whereas realistically, if you can change your mindset around, like, Hey, this is the way I'm going to heal myself. And by doing these other things that are seen as normal, they're going to take me further back like it's just nurturing that support. Like oh, sorry, having that nurturing support. That is amazing. A big difference that people were saying going through the program
yeah group contact is huge yeah I mean like you said the hardest part is both of us know is you put people on a no everything diet which means you know hanging out with your friends diet and a no date night usually front like no freak out night, you know diet or no potluck diet or whatever people suddenly feel trapped by it. Yeah, so everything that can avoid isolation, especially people who have experienced trauma and are naturally geared towards sort of self isolation and, you know, self recrimination, being put on that kind of protocol just gives them more, you know, a self evident truth that I deserve to be stuck by myself with some kind of mysterious dilemma. So it's always like the first most important thing is okay, let's make sure that we're doing something even if it's been at the worst distance would be like a private Facebook group where people would share recipes and talk to each other but live interaction either through a screen or obviously with people is something we need. And And nowadays, we're sitting Caught up in the screens that there's actually a structure in our brain and in our spinal nervous system that's degrading every decade that we get more addicted to screens. And and now it's like, like 16 hours a day. So, you know, that's not good,
especially for kids. No, yeah, exactly. Exactly right. That's insane. So I mean, you did mention a three day fast before when it comes to stage one. What does the fasting do before you go into something like an IP protocol, or order I mean protocol for eating style, like obviously, it says, it gives your body a chance to kind of stop reset, get rid of some of the junk that's in there. Is there anything else that happens during that fast?
So about 75% of the reactive frontline part of your immune system resides in your GI tract? And it's sometimes the imagery is really helpful for people most people are actually visual learners. So you've probably heard this statistic but if you were to stretch the small intestine membrane out the way we would if you were to Tana hide, I don't know if people have ever tend to hide because you stretch it out like a cover over your pool.
Yeah, there you go. Yeah,
I'll remember that one.
It's about 3000 square feet,
which is insane.
Right? So every four days, you have to rebuild 3000 square feet of endothelial tissue in your small intestine, which is 75% of your immune systems location of activity. Reading the world. If you're having an autoimmune disease, you're almost always going to have a leaky gut, which means you're literally crapping food and bacteria into your bloodstream, your liver in your brain. So pretty sure that's clearly not a good idea. But if you fast for three days, or just do a broth fast or something with a lot of trace minerals in it, or the, you know, your traditional bone broth, you're not signaling the frontline of your immune system to react to any of the typical antigens that are going to make it more upset. And I mean, again, weird imagery, but I say this probably 20 times a week, you know, with people, you're training a puppy, the puppy was abused as a child, your immune system is a very angry Animal you need to take the time and spend the time with it every day to reorient that animals relationship with the world or it's going to keep biting you. You can't just give it vitamin D in the morning and tell it to just sit and then go and do whatever the hell you want all day and come back till like it's 730 in the morning and there's a dog sitting there chewing on watch you. Right? So so that three days, minimum is to actually give that whole frontline of your immune system nothing to chew on, nothing to react to. And that intention every time you decide not to go to the fridge, not to open the cupboard, not to you know, bail on yourself, you know, in a way is that affirmation of the opposite of losing self tolerance because now you have to gain self tolerance is your monkey mind jumps up and down on a barking immune system dog while you try and just calm down and not quell your feelings in a moment and stress with something in your mouth. So it's like a rite of passage for modern humans because I mean, some I mean, I've done pretty extended fasting so for me it's like a some essential celebration of being The first time people do a three day fast, it's like being punished and tortured. Because if you've ever experienced what's gonna happen, it's like taking acid for the first time. You're afraid of what's going to happen next because you don't know and if it's getting weird or it's humans are great at predicting, right, so people are going to predict this city a weirder.
That's great. I've never actually done a like a really long fossa do a heap of intermittent fasting. I've done a heap of 24 hour FOSS, but outside of that, I've never actually looked that much into it purely on the fact from my head. I was always like, it's too disruptive from what I do. But I mean, that's probably the worst excuse you could use. When it comes to it. I think I think all excuses are equal. No, that's good point.
It's like all trauma is equal.
Neither of them is gonna get you really that far though.
Honestly, man, Maddie, I'll throw this out there. Can I can I just be like a bit shy Monique for a second. Yeah,
please go for it.
When your child is going to be around 678 years old. You're going to start noticing that they're noticing some stuff that's going to challenge you as as just an adult. When that happens, go off somewhere and do a 10 day fast and maybe get another tattoo that commits to a different kind of stillness and patience.
I don't really know where to go from there. I want to ask I guess like, what what reason? Would you do a 10 day like experience where you're fasting and getting away from everything?
Well, I mean, if if I was to be
I guess from a scientific point of view, just to flip gears. When you look at all ancient cultures, they all have periods of time where you go into a cave into a dark space into an alone place with either certain medicines you take, are you fast are you saying or god I've had no you've heard about Sundance, it's pretty intense what some people do. But it's basically deciding that you really have to make sure you're upgrading your inner hard drive experientially, so that as experiences become more challenging, you're the warrior who has faced the younger version of you. And now you're wise version of you.
So is it kind of like doing say, for instance, a rite of passage. So there's something that a teenage might a teenager might do coming into manhood, they might do say, a rite of passage, that's something that this would essentially be in manhood instead.
Yeah, I mean, that's what most cultures have, you know, you're 1415 years old, they're going to put you into certain situations, for many, many reasons. And then as you become an actual man in your late 20s, early 30s, you're going to go and do something harder. If you want to become taken seriously in your mid 40s. As an actual mentor for your community. Then you're going to have to go and do something even harder and in your mid 60s, 70s you're actually just going to be given a big feast to be celebrated as an elder because you don't really need to do anything harder. You're in her 60s and 70s. But in in some Aboriginal cultures, there's for puberty, and you have to go through the puberty and prove you're the next kind of you. Or you're still just an adolescent.
Yeah, I've heard about this before. So the few before puberty, they kind of talk about like four different stages of life, right? Like every 15 years or so you've got an upgraded version.
Well, that's up to you and how much you're willing to let go of. Okay.
So So here, I'll do this really quick. So let's say me, you and Eli. We're all 14 year old young men booting around wherever you grew up Queensland, I think, and we're getting into the trouble we're getting into and then say maybe Eli's you know grandpa comes along and invites us young men to go and you know, maybe take ourselves a little bit more seriously and go and go and walk about a little bit. Not like seriously big walkabout but maybe, you know, just go and get to know yourself. The most Important thing about that is the person you are when you go cannot choose who you're going to be when you get back. Or else you just defaulted the whole thing. Right so there's a thing astrology in the in the West, they talk about Saturn return. Yep. So around around 28 you're supposed to, like, have this Saturn thing. I don't really know much about it. But so that's usually
what regarding to stay. So I'm pretty sure that's actually just happened again, the Saturn return in regards to the actual cycle of it has just happened this year, I believe.
Right. So that that's that's the beginning of from a traditional cultural point of view your second puberty. So if and a lot of people between 28 and 32 go a little bonkers because you're going from a social orientation of I fit into this group because I'm into this too. I have to find out how to be me in any group at all. Regardless, because now I'm a grown up and I have to be able to show up and get stuck in elevators and go to board meetings or solve weird problems with people I don't know very well and I can't just like to By default because of their clothing and music, you know, preferences and stuff, right? Yeah. So that's the modern culture. We don't really have anything like that anymore. So and I'm despite sounded a bit cheesy, but in my opinion coming from where I grew up, we live in an adolescent shopping mall. It's like there's no grown ups really look at politics, especially in the West. I mean, so I mean, it seems you're just like, Okay, well, here we are.
I've actually always had a real big fascination says only that we have as a big goal for ourselves is to eventually have our own farm space and have our retreats where we bring people to and something we already do is running retreats, but we'd love to eventually one day on our own and have people come and do often, like the retreats often but something that I want to throw in there is actually like, a rite of passage to some extent. And so it's definitely have started looking into a lot more something that I've had a big desire to do myself And recently, I've actually taken up bow hunting. I haven't talked about much on this podcast, to be honest. Because there is people that listen to the vegans and vegetarians. And I guess the reason why I go after is because of the state of the natural food that you can get ahold of. But it's so true about what you just said that the man you go in compared to the man you go out and you come out as is, you can never choose what's going to happen. And if you try to control it too much, everything just comes on done anyway, like you learned so many lessons from three or two or three days out in the bush is absolutely crazy. And to be honest, I haven't been that successful as a bow hunter yet, like we do. Yes, we've eaten food from the land, which is awesome. But what's been the biggest thing for me so far as the mindset shift that I've got from from doing that.
That's amazing. I really, I really, if I ever get rich somehow, man, I would love to come to Australia and help you guys with a retreat center because that's what I want to do here as well. Because that's what we all need is a place to go and move into a healing space or a sacred sacred space or a transformational space like a rite of passage and you'll get there with bow hunting. It's the hardest thing like start with a crossbow. If you want to get fed
started with a rifle if I really wanted to get
there you go that's that's more honor to you if you're actually going to stick it out with a real bow
definitely no I mean like from actually a good to bow so once a Rico which is more like your old school style, I've got the compound which is the the newer, I guess more technology that goes into it type of bow and I'm using that and I've got access to deer and my big goal is to get myself a deer. And so far I've had some goats and some hairs and bits and pieces. And that's been incredible, like just actually eating that food is food that To start with, like, it might sound a bit weird. If you were to talk about in in Brisbane City where I come from, if you say hey, I'm gonna go and shoot myself a hair and eat it from the land people would be like, Oh, that's a bit weird, but really, really delicious. Like it's crazy. It kind of made me really think about how we're going to cook and really go about it in a different way. And not only that, but it also feels it feels me with a lot of pride or joy. I don't know if that's the right words to say. But when when we are sitting down to eat a meal of a something that I've been able to take from the land it I don't know, it just has a it has a different feeling to it rather than just buying a packet a piece of meat from from Woolworths or calls, which is a supermarket here.
Okay, can I can I do a little philosophical thing on that? Yeah,
there's three beings and every being there's an instinctual being, social being and an existential being. And I often describe it as a cowboy on a horse with binoculars. Yeah. Right. So the horse is your body, your instincts, your sex drive, all the stuff that we actually just naturally identify with horses, right? Your cowboy is the one who sings musics about I don't know if you guys ever hear cowboy music in Australia, but you know, it's kind of sentimental music. And the reason I think of it that way is that that's our emotional self, the part of us that's really instinctively driven to have good connections and belonging because without that, you're kind of a Sick animal and the sense of a primate because you need a group of people or you're, you know, not doing so great. And then there's the existential self or the binoculars, which is the way each of us looks at the world in a focused way towards the distance and the meaning. So as people get healthier, and I've seen this training martial artists and athletes for longer than I've been doing medicine, as people get healthier physically, and you could play normal neurotransmitters, you could blame hormones or whatever, they become healthy enough that they want their existential life and their binoculars to mean something authentic to them. So some, some people go vegan or vegetarian, some people go carnivores, some people become bow hunters. But the reason I bring it up is that we're all trying to get something existentially right for ourself. And that's the healthiest thing you could do once you've taken care of your gut immune system and, you know, getting off the couch and stop eating crap. Because that's what that's what happens to everybody as you start to wake up not in some fake sort of social sense of being better than people but you just start going I need to see through myself and into the world in a way that feels authentically true to me. And when you're always distracting yourself with the stuff that most people who don't take care of themselves are distracting themselves with you don't care. Yeah. And I'm not judging people who are needing that kind of, I mean, if you're there, you're there, it's time to get off the couch. But just to recognize when you're standing beside a vegan, the two of you have a choice is to fist bump because your existential warriors trying to come to right, placing yourself authentically in the modern world, which is a friggin shopping mall. makes it harder, right? Or you're pissed off at each other because you chose different ways to meet that part of yourself. Yeah. So that's usually what I do I say when a fist bump about being spiritual warriors, so you want to argue over biochemistry and I'm pretty sure I'll wins.
Good. No, it's actually very interesting. The amount of people that we've seen change their complete life around so obviously within nutrition they started change their life. And then once they've gone through it, and they've actually, like you said, get off the couch, they start eating good food and that they got starts to heal the amount of people that we've seen shift in their career pause is massive, like, I would say almost like three of every 10 people who come through and do nutrition coaching with us, they come and eventually they like, Well, you know what, this isn't my greater purpose of this is my passion right now I want to shift and start transitioning to that. And I've got a really good example of a guy recently and he was he was 100. And I think it was 160 kilos. So what's he was he is a big 380 pounds, something like that. Yeah, like he was a big, big boy. And he he lost a lot of weight before he came to us, which was incredible. And he kind of came to me and said, hey, look, I need just that last little shift in and last little shift in white. I'm actually going to do nip and tuck, I want to get get rid of all the excess skin I've got. And we dropped him in a healthful way compared to what he was eating in a really helpful way. The last few kilos like we did 12 He was with him and his skin started to naturally just change anyway, like, started to tighten up myself. But in this whole process, since he's now got to the stage where he's really happy with his, with his physique and his lifestyle and how he's actually stepping into his daily life, how much confidence he's got, he's now transitioning into becoming a personal trainer himself because he wants to help people who will just like him and whether that's not and I think this is a really cool example of someone who's gone through it. And I think that's the same thing with a lot of doctors actually is they go through a sickness stage and then they're like, well, I want to help people through that, that stage at least some of the good doctors I'd say,
K does that fella have a YouTube channel or anything?
He doesn't. He doesn't. I think he has been actually doing video blogs himself and it's something that he's too nervous to release just yet, but it's something that he would like to do. Okay,
well, maybe if he ever hears this or chatting, you mentioned me in some way. I would love to Put his story through my social media just for people to go Holy cow. Humans are amazing.
Yeah, cool. I actually taught him tonight So yeah, I'll talk to him again about it for sure. Alright,
so we're on the same journey. It's just amazing people actually like, you know, see people do it and it's it's not surprising to me that the the end effect of getting well as wanting to take care of people for me that's like a grasshopper. Now you are wise you can. Oh, yeah, sorry. That's from a TV show from like, 100 years ago. Right. So yeah, but it's just an honor people you know, for for the fact that I mean, that that's actually our I think a human instinct is just to tend and befriend, you know, it's, it's it. It's in our instinctual nature to take care of ourselves each other.
Yeah, definitely. So I mean, something that I really wanted to bring you on for, I think there's so much enzyme. There's so many different directions, we could really head with this. But I really would like to bring it back to the plan, animal based medicine stuff that you kind of grew up with. With and things that you still utilize like obviously, with Chinese medicine, there's a lot of different herbs that get used for different different sorts of remedies. But when it comes to the plant, like plant hubs and plant medicines that you use when you were growing up, can you specifically remember anything that was, I guess a major resource for you guys as you're growing up?
Not non medicinal. You know, I mean, that I mean, there's probably grandma folk Herbes being boiled on the stove or something, but
it was a wood stove.
I just pictured it in my head was this giant wood stove?
anyway? No, mostly. I mean, I remember eating wild mushrooms and wild foods and berries and all the stuff that you just go out and find because if you didn't, you were well, not going to go. That's not going to be a good winter, right? Yeah. But I didn't really get into learning actually Aboriginal medicinal plants until I was probably two years into practicing medicine. Because I didn't really meet anyone who was really deep into those traditions who was willing to share with me. I mean, there's lots of books out there and stuff. But I mean, it took me a while to find like a really good source for that. Yeah. And most of those medicines are used most mostly in a ceremonial healing way, not just, you know, take this for their common cold and that kind of stuff. Yeah. So I mean, we could get into some of that. But then we're basically talking about indigenous ceremonial practices. And that that's something that some people get really kind of uncomfortable though, because there's people who take that stuff from podcasts and from blogs, and then they go and try and start their own little kind of pretend to one wannabe showman cult kind of thing. So
showman, like you were talking about.
Yeah, so So I mean, I could get into a few things. I just always want to preface that karmically. If you're taking more things than the entire world from Aboriginal people, and you just want to keep taking more. You're just an asshole. So please, stop.
No, that's good. I mean, maybe if we could just talk about maybe some of like some of the most used heads within say some of these practices, then some of these ceremonies Well, I mean, one of the ones
will talk About the stuff that's everywhere because then I don't feel like I'm gonna have grandmother's come to my door and hit me on the head with a kitchen Potter so so the four main medicines that are used in just sort of lifestyle practice for people would be sage, tobacco, cedar and sweet crafts. And those are just kind of across most of North America, they they are kind of those plans to submerge further south ego, the more you get into cactuses and cow and obviously things like I Alaska and stuff, and those medicines go completely in different directions. Whereas with sage, you know, it's used in a very specific context, and I'm just gonna I know part of me doesn't want to correct the fake shamans because it's fun to watch them like just spew out nonsense, but there's also a part of me that just doesn't want people to speak out nonsense. So Sage clinic are technically are traditionally using us to protect you,
which was what what they sell it as right like a smudging stick
will smudging is an action it's not a defend yourself from invisible bad guys. Right? Because I mean although interestingly enough when you actually look at biomedical research on Sage it it'll wipe out 90% 97% of the micro bacteria in a space for a few days. So it's like wow, that's, that's interesting why people who keep doing something without knowing that fact. But when a traditional person is burning sage, we're using it to basically close you and your ancestors so that they'll come close to you. Right now in our languages, we don't have a lot of nouns. So when I say ancestors, I'm not thinking about a bunch of dead people like you know, cartoon characters standing behind you, although sometimes that helps people think and relate to that part of life. From an Aboriginal point of view, ancestors are all of the living kind of conscious and unconscious memories that are coming through the center of your chest every day. Because that's your your guts and your your, the part of you that's going to deal with the worst thing that's ever going to happen to you. Because whatever your ancestors went through in their lives, that's a new. And it's the way it's described as it's actually centered in the center of your chest. And it's interesting in Chinese medicine, this is rarely even talked about anymore. There's an area of energy called some key which is ancestral energy, which is in the center of your chest. So two cultures from completely different parts of the world have the same sense that that's where you feel ancestors going through you. Because everything that got them through whatever they had to get through to get here to get you here is in you. It's just seeing you there. And if you want to call them to help you find yourself there you Sage to wrap yourself in their experience and their memories and their teachings and they're good days and bad days. And that protects you because now you're aligned with all The people who are still alive in you, because they didn't die two years older, they fought off a bear or, you know, whatever, you know, badass related to keep going, right? Yeah. So it's starting to bring the feel your your your, your your inner Mojo and mindset, right and sage is a ceremonial act of actually wrapping yourself in their influence and kind of calling them and say, you know, I'm sure you're busy where you are right now, but I could really, you know, any kind of nudge any kind of good dream later on today anything like that would be good
as absolutely insane. That's Um, there's a lot of things I want to touch on that I actually, I bizarrely enough, so I'll go to go to native sleeve, Don, and one of the beautiful legs and thank you is this age bunch right there. And, I mean, I asked her this age Bush, not really knowing a heap about it. I just knew that that was that link for it. And I really want to I just really wanted it and recently This is quite a bizarre thing recently. Everything's just been a bit full on since they stepped out of business I've got to take it on a lot more. And life was just getting very full on the gym owners went away and so I was also working in the gym to photo actually more than two fold them I used to do some my my weeks Went, went from going just a regular week to being days where I was up before I am getting home at about 8pm and one morning I was driving home as a Monday morning driving home about nine o'clock in the morning Oh code to nine I was driving and I was about 100 it was probably about 200 meters from home. And last thing I remember seeing a little street just before our street and all of a sudden gone woke up next thing dragging my you along the side of someone else's us so I literally woke on impact as we hit and it ripped my front wheel off written my whole front of my colleagues pretty much nose nose taps on the corners. And as we hit I just ended up dragging my nose all the way across the road as a complete main major road like I could have. It could have been a lot more Wasn't it wasn't pretty much those two pot cause and I ended up between these two top guys and realistically hitting this guy was literally I think what saved my life based on what what else was around and and pretty much I could have if I didn't hit him I would have either hit a telephone pole or gone straight into a set of units which is absolutely bizarre but that day I definitely feel like someone was looking over me with how it all how it all played out. And now that you say that about this age, which I almost feel like that is, and this might sound completely bizarre to some people, I almost feel like that is something that I've always had close bombings, people looking off to me and that day was definitely like a really big wake up call for me like I'm so grateful to be alive right now because of everything that happened that day. And just it was a really big lesson as to Hey, you need to slow down like this. There's a lot of life that's about to happen around you with baby coming and everything else but there's so many extra things to be grateful for and you don't need to be 100 miles an hour all the time to be successful, like what successful is actually having the time to be with you today. I mean having the time to do the things you want to do and not always looking so far into the future look into those binoculars like the like you're talking about the the cowboy, but that was just then like I almost got a little bit emotional when you're talking about this age was due to that. It's almost like it was my protector on everything that is that has happened recently in my life.
I will keep it around, man. And do you guys have Sage there? or? Yeah, yeah. Oh, cool. Yeah, I wasn't sure if it grows, the same plant grows there or not. So I would assume it does because of the TV shows I see in Australia, but didn't want to be presumptuous. So I just want to throw this out there because we're having a bit more of an intimate conversation about this. From a traditional perspective, it's a good idea to go and make some offerings when stuff like that happens, especially when you got new life coming and you kind of bumped into the focus on life kind of message. Yeah. You know, like, I know where you're live, but If you live close enough to where there might be no small animals and stuff, and you put an egg out in your yard.
That's interesting. How about offerings for instance, so this is intentional offerings, but we've got a vegetable garden that keeps getting done by possums. Like obviously, it's not something that we've freely offered up, but it's not something I'm typically stopping either. Because, yeah, the eating
just, you know, just once in a while, say you're welcome to the possible.
Yeah, that's so bizarre. That's, that's really cool. So I mean, something that you've written is a book called, sorry, I just lost my page right here. So it's called returning to ancestral diet and the story of returning to ancestral diet. Let's talk about some of the differences between an ancestral diet and a modern diet and what's missing from the modern diet. Why does Why do people go so backwards on a modern diet?
there's sort of two directions to that. Just give me one sex right?
Sort of there's two directions with that. One is that if you're eating something that irritates your immune system and makes it that proverbial angry puppy, that's, that's what your body's doing with your calories is it's fighting off an invisible infection and invisible battles that are triggered by foods that really aren't meant for humans are ratios of different kinds of starch or two obviously, I don't know what the statistics in Australia are, but I think the last time I checked in the us it was 156 pounds of sugar per person per year.
I got ton of calories for about three and a half months. Yeah.
Right. So it just was just like, Okay, well, how can you not be obese if you're eating three and a half months more calories than you actually need to live? Right, from a toxic you know, supply of calories. If you I'm not picking on the US here, but they just have the best worst statistics for health when you divide the number of people of Israel King age in the US by the number of alcohol serving sold per year, every adult, over 18 years old or 21 years old or whatever the ages, they're asked to drink three servings of alcohol a day. Wow. Right? So I'm just using that as like an average because for some reason, we all seem to think the states has got something figured out.
that's just you're just hurting yourself. And then there's GMO, you know, weed and then there's eating cow dairy that's from an animal that's being given the same drugs and autoimmune patient is given. Because all cows living on corn and soy have an autoimmune disease the same way humans who live on soy and corn get autoimmune diseases, which is why they're on steroids and antibiotics, as well as to make them fat, right? So it's just like now you're eating the sickest, like version of food if you eat the meat, but you're also getting that and all the fat from the dairy so I Would you say from the look behind you bad ideas you have to get away from all that stuff or everything you're doing to get well is up against things that are clinically didn't statistically not going well for anyone just look at the stats in the US yeah I think we're well over half the people that are obese and it's wanting to grow almost diabetic and it's just all it'll be one and two with cancer in about five years. So just an FYI well that that's that's the petri dish you want to watch because that's where where it's going badly Yeah. When you when you look in the other direction though, and you go to say okay, well what what actually would work? You have two choices right one get really really existential like a diet that ends in ism. Whatever it is, could be raw food ism. veganism, vegetarianism, paleo ism. If it's an ism, you're doing something else. But you know, that's, that's coming from that kind of kind of hyper romantic place, right? I gotta solve my problems and it's got to mean something. Instead of gotta learn how this works, and then I'll figure this out. So when you're trying to make some good decisions, it's been my experience that when you really look at human evolution and what obviously hasn't made people worse, you know, it's all of the food that got us here. And if you go all the way back to the ice ages 2 million years ago, when we were primates learning to swim, because our forests disappeared, disappeared from a lack of rain for 10,000 years, we learned the fish and then we learned to scavenge and backbones apart, then we learned to follow, you know, ravens and coyotes around to find food and that's in my peoples oral tradition is just how to get through your,
you know, day at work.
Right, because most of my ancestors were literally hunter gatherers up until like 1932, at least in one side of my family. So yeah. So there's kind of the proof in the pudding that those diets don't make people sicker and the belief that those the people only live to like 35 years of age. I mean, that may have happened in between Europe when people who are living next to us, like pigs ties and stuff like that. But when you talk to cultures that celebrate people in their 60s and have multiple stories about how amazing people are when they're in their 70s, and 80s, that kind of means that 35 wasn't your average age of dying, right? Yeah. And that then that whole life expectancy thing is actually based on the fact that over like, I think it's 60% of kids died before they were four. So when you say how many people were born, and how many people live to 100, that's going to throw your math way off, right? So again, there's that just, that's just an aside, but just for the people who keep thinking but those bad diets and you only live to 35. And it was horrible. And like you really, that'll slow down and think about it and learn thing really would be a good idea. Because you know that that's what we're here for. Right? But anyway, so when you look at wild game, fish, poultry and things like that, and the rapidly rapidity of how their tissue turns into the healthiest entryway into ourselves, our brains, our livers, our vascular system to actually make positive changes in the body. That that's not like a disputable thing. I mean, it's funny when they keep trying to test red meat for cancer, they keep using the worst cooking method that by itself would cause cancer if you're eating anything cooked that way, right. So it's just like, we're not doing much thinking here. So it isn't about that. It's also more about nose to tail and eating more connective tissue.
Yeah, your book is using you college using Yeah, yeah, you can get from it.
oxtail soup. So making some Pat Hey, and, and the number of plants you need really depends on what your digestion your micro, your digestive system and your micro biome are up to. So it isn't like there's a prescription for everybody. It's like, okay, let's find the appropriate ancestral diet for you and the new version of that book. It's coming out it's going to be called the ancestral autoimmune protocol. I'm just finishing it up right now. It's not about four different diets instead of three. And it's about More specific around autoimmune disease, that book was me arguing with about 10 different people in my life saying, you should make it for everybody you should make for just this group of people. So that's a it's a fun book. It's like 600 pages long. It's got 500 recipes in it. But it's also really hard to be sure what's exactly for autoimmune and what's not because it's written kind of in the middle for people. The new book is a lot more specific, but I would encourage anyone to recognize that and an ancestral diet has several different diets in it. Yeah, it's not just you know, go back and he need I mean, it really depends on what you need to tailor it to, to regulate the physiology of yourself or a patient or you know, a client if you're working in the gym, because it isn't one diet fits all because if it did, we'd be doing that already.
I don't know if you know, Dr. Chris, Master john at all. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So we interviewed him just recently and one of the one of the things he was talking about non stop was eating liver, like eating different types of awful Juju, just the amount of stuff you can get from from eating awful like, there's so much that we desire and need nowadays that we can just get if we just start eating a bit more from like you said nose to tail of the animal
that it actually in Aboriginal culture growing up in a hunting lodge. The muscle meat was usually dried for winter. The organ meat was like, Oh, we got an animal. Now we got some real food. We got some muscles for winter. Right? So it's like we got it backwards in the modern world in the sense of what you know what the real important part of the animal is.
How would you guys dry it? Like how would you because it's obviously a little bit cooler there. What's the temperatures you guys have?
Well, anywhere from probably up.
I'm thinking in you guys do Celsius or the degrees. Okay, so first or Celsius, like a hot day would be 32. And a cold day would be minus 20. Wow.
It's crazy. It's almost like that straight shift.
Well, I mean that that that's summer to winter. Let's not like Tuesday to Wednesday.
No, but no. Yeah, I mean, here we typically I mean, recently, in more recent years we've been getting up to, like 40s in Brisbane in Queensland, which is pretty crazy. where I grew up, up in the central of Queensland we get like 52 days every once in a while but I mean coldest was only ever like maybe negative one negative two we don't get the extremes that you guys get on the other end
Lyft through a storm months ago down to minus 64 Whoa, whoa, yeah course a couple of hours has died. But you know, we managed to get through it but but anyway, the way that traditionally you would dry meat for that. It depends on if you're using it to carry it as dry meat or jerky. What do you do? What do you guys call it down there?
Yeah, jerky are built on.
Okay, yeah. So so we are tricky. So
the way you do that is basically you would make a miniature sweat lodge and then full of full calls and have all the pieces of meat strung up amongst the tree bows that you have Over here cold dead and then you would have little birch bark kind of canoes, you know strategically placed to catch as much of the fat as he could because that's like money. Yeah, you know or something really valuable to people right. If you were to do it another way you would sort of peel back very thin layers of the meat with a really careful kind of cutting strategy and then you would pound it with a mallet on a like a log or something in the sun and tell it would be like hair and then you would take that and mix it in with the fat and the canoes the little tiny ones that you had in the sweat lodge for dry and meat man I'm really messing people up here with imagery and and then you pour the fat into the the hair meet with some juniper berries and maybe a couple of other things and you'd make people called Pelican
I don't know if you guys have anything for that.
One language cause at wash now that I think it's mimicking or penicillin in Canada. But anyway, so let's just Basically saturated fat from an animal with pounded meat with some specific tart berries or medicinal plants that are accurate and have all the time oils to preserve it. And that stuff I'm not kidding then the scientists who are like trying to figure it out, it would last 20 years at ambient temperatures and still the animal
that is crazy.
And that's what people eat in winter pretty much exclusively except for the otter rabbit or the thing you trap you know, but look up north where I lived. I mean and farther north than that in it's called that your coral plateau or the chill Colton plateau plateau and in British Columbia, those people would live in pit houses in winter. So you dug down about see you know, five feet, put a bunch of debris on the bottom and then you make a little teepee wood hot over top of it. And you spend about six months of the winter just sitting in there. Listen to people talking to fart while you're waiting for the snow to melt and, you know, you'd have your fire outside and bring in hot rocks mostly for heat. Yeah. Right. So it's just like a different way of Getting through winter and that's just people would just sit around and talk and sleep and eat, you know, basically meat and fat all winter and go totally keto and try and focus on like the matter one meal a day, so everyone would survive.
Wow, that's, that's super interesting. I was just looking at it like, do you think it's because it is a mix of the fat and then also the berries obviously that we keep it preserved for so long?
Yep. Yeah, yeah, the chemistry is like super sensible when you dig into it. It's like, Well, yeah, but that would. That would last a long time. I mean, that's what people would eat for like months.
That's so cool. It's, it's pretty bizarre. Like I love history. And I love looking back on, like I said, learning more about how different cultures have have gone to come to be and where we've come to noun. I don't know sometimes I definitely think that many of our ancestors are probably rolling in their graves with how some things have gone but very happy with how other things account, that's for sure. So I mean, what we've dived into a lot here. We really haven't kind of jumped
Gonna Say Matt Matt if you wanted to Maddie we could do like a part two and we could just decide to focus on one subject for the series because the really worthwhile I'm kind of like a professor of three things so I'm just really into deep dives into the coolest things in the world so yeah I'm Are you really have to train me like a puppy to talk about one thing
we're just going to dog training with now pop frame so I'll be I'll be well trained by the time you get to our next conversation but that would be a really really appreciated maybe to wrap up with what what is maybe a question I haven't asked you around this this topics that we have been touching on that maybe we should have touched on or a subject that we should touch on that we haven't yet.
Oh, you're asking me? Yeah, I thought I thought you were leading into something else. What's he gonna ask? I will actually my my have a new website. It's Integrative Health detective com, okay. And the only reason I bring that up is if you don't mind getting emails or you can unsubscribe the next day or if you want There's a 65 page ebook, that sort of a, the beginning version of the the new book sort of walks people through the ancestor or the, through the autoimmune spectrum, because you and I kind of wade through that a little bit. And then it goes through the protocols with the autoimmune protocol through the four different diets for each of the autoimmune spectrums. So it's something I give to my patients saying, This is the alphabet of the next three months or two years of your life. And, you know, please look at that. So I'm sure you guys can grab a copy. But if your listeners want to just get a really clear sense of what's been working at an 85% success rate in my clinic for 25 years, get that get that ebook, it's free. The new books coming out probably in the spring. And I'm, I don't know I took some time off, which I rarely ever do. And I sat down to finish that book, and I rewrote it from a completely different place. So I'm really happy to be for the first time feeling like I finally wrote a book That I really spoke from the center of myself. Because mostly I've been writing like medical textbooks and stuff which are boring is
watching watching koala bears. Oh wait, no I do.
I do have one thing I want to say to your listeners because I just came up with this metaphor like two weeks ago. And so I'm just trying to find a chord here Scott stuck on my chair. So this is meant to be funny and kind of hard to forget. But
I'm trying to do a drumroll in my head.
Don't be a koala.
That's right. That's the
metaphor that well that that that's the beginning of it is like Don't be a koala. So this is I'm going to do this as quick as I can because I don't want to make this too long. But being a nerd that I am a nerd means I read a lot of nerds the same word in Australia but 25 million years ago, koala bears got lost because of somebody Change in geology and they went from being kind of bigger badass bears like polar bear kind of bears but not the same thing to these little tree monkey bears that are really slow and stupid. And they live on Eucalyptus, eucalyptus leaves and just an FYI just in case. The urban myth is actually from Australia. eucalyptus leaves don't make koala bears Hi. Because some people have like I said urban is at least in Canada, they koala bears are really slow and sleepy and stone because they eucalyptus leaves and they become high. That's not actually true. But what is true is they're living basically on lettuce. And they've been living on lettuce for about 25 million years. So they went from being a big badass bear to these little tiny dog sized bears that are really really slow and have very minimal calories day to day so they learned to conserve their energy. But the real kind of crux of the story is their brains are less than half the size they used to be. And the most important thing you can do to prevent aging and to improve neuro plasticity to improve sleep and overall just resilience distress is complex movement, because that's what koala bears lost was complex movement. And if you don't need it, nature is really efficient. She'll just take away half your brain, oh, you're not using that right now? Well, we'll just we'll just put that in a bin for, you know, a million years from now just in case you need it. So when you're trying to get your life back and your mind back and your sense of self back and your kind of what I call the eye of your hurricane, don't be a koala. Do Tai Chi do Chico's don't pick up some weights, learn how to dance, learn to know roll on the floor and pretend you're some kind of animal but until you're actually moving in multiple different directions and playing with balance and different quadrants of dexterity and what's called proprioception your brain is shrinking. And the best time to do that stuff is in the first 45 minutes of the day. Because the neuro plasticity Max's in the morning and if you do the same routine is every day your neuro plasticity shuts off because you're hibernating. Right? So if you're going to like you get up and you go to the bathroom, you go to the kitchen and you go to your car, you go to your office, your brain is on automatic and maybe that's one of the reasons why you banged into that guy on the highway, is your brain was just, you know, going into automatic mode and it didn't didn't feel being tired as you were that you needed to be alert right? And that's that's a really dangerous thing. Because if you're looking to hibernate, put an alcohol and make that better. Wouldn't have pizza and some beer and a bag of donuts make that better or you know some candies and stuff or whatever else you might be into. So if you want to get your life back, learn to move and make it complex and fun and music if you want and get into breath work because once you start moving like an animal you reawaken the horse and then you can reawaken your cowboy and then you can look through your binoculars and really know where you're going. But it all starts with movement and and really re identifying with your body as You instead of what you think about
now I love that that's really cool. It's a good way to finish the podcast up so let's listen maybe just throw out some of the best places for people to follow along all linked to your website spying on in regards to socials. Whereabouts can they follow you there?
I'm on Facebook, I guess there is Integrative Health Solutions which old name same same channel. Then there's me Michael Smith, but there's only 2 billion of us So Michael Smith Nelson bc Dr. might might find me if you're looking for me on Facebook. I'm just learning how Instagram works. I love you guys's page, by the way who did your page? Thank you. I can give you all these details. Once we're finished. I would look. Yeah, just because I was like, wow, how did they do that? I'm just getting started. But my handle on Instagram is ancestral Dasher underscore AIP ancestral line AIP. I can't remember which one it is. Yeah. I don't really have any understanding of Twitter yet, so I'm hoping someone's gonna help me understand what that is.
It's not really a thing here in Australia. Oh, it is, but not many people use in Australia. It really never took off. It's quite bizarre how the states absolutely love it. But yeah, not not many Australians really low doctorate that much like LinkedIn is definitely becoming a bit of a thing over here for business. But outside of that, it seems Instagram and Facebook are the big wins.
I'm on LinkedIn too. I just haven't really spent time using API but Twitter isn't nearly as big in Canada, either. It at least where I live, but those are the places you can get ahold of me. I do have a different website, though. So there's the integrative health detective com website that's for clinical medicine. Yeah, like, you know, if you're like, I need to talk to this guy because I have something really hard to pronounce. If you're focused more on addiction and trauma, then the website is somatic mindfulness.org. That's where I either work with people one on one is kind of a therapist or something like Like a therapist, or there's courses on there, like there's a somatic mindfulness Qi Gong course coming up in about three weeks. That's three months long for people who want to like deep dive into breath work and she Gong and mindfulness and trauma release stuff. Yeah. And then this the same course turns into a one year. intensive training for people want to become Chico teachers. So if you're really wanting to get into mind body medicine, and you're not really sure how to access all of that stuff, I've got all kinds of online stuff for that, because that's my Happy Places like Chico's martial arts, you know, authentic movement and breath work because I'm an animal, I admit it.
The somatic mind mindfulness program, upstart process was something that I wanted to dive into that we didn't touch on. So maybe that's what our whole next podcast can be based around. That could be local. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you so much. It's been it's been really insightful and I think the listeners going to get a lot out of it. So I thank you for your time.
Thank you, Maddie. And High Five to you guys. On your kit, what you're doing with your business and I really hope you get that retreat center going man because that gives me an excuse to come down under and see what see what it's all about. Love that
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