Ep.60 Angela (Learning About Death)_mixdown1
7:07PM Dec 21, 2019
Good day everyone you're listening to talk your hobby and this is episode 61. The end is near. I'm your host Alex and today I have the honor to have Angela as my guest in the show how you doing today?
I'm doing well how are you doing?
I'm doing good. I was worried that this interview would not work out because of my technical difficulties difficulties on my end, but it seems like everything's working out so far. So fingers crossed knocking on wood. But yeah, I'm very excited for this episode because I have no idea how to approach it but I'm ready to approach it head on.
It's a weird subject, but I think it's very Popular. There is very large community of us. So I thought I was weird of knowledge younger, but it turns out that I'm the norm. So that's cool.
Perfect. So yeah, we're gonna actually just jump right into it. But actually, no, we're not gonna jump right into it. That's not what I usually do I jump right into my guest is back life a little bit. So before we go into the hobby, who is Angela?
Okay, so I was born in LA. And I grew up there. And I went to university there and and graduated with a bachelor's in music industry studies, which basically means I don't play an instrument. So it's pretty useless music degree. But yeah, and then I met my husband and moved to Canada. So London, Ontario, and we work from home. We always done stuff from home and I just started a podcast about, I guess, death in general because I was so interested in that.
And that's basically what we're going to talk about today is death like everything. So Rounding Yes. And before we jumped into that, you mind giving out your social media links or website so people can follow you right before this episode so they can have something to watch or look at not don't listen to two podcasts at the same time either listen to hers first and then mine or vice versa. But
yeah, sure. Mine is called people keep dying. And it that's the website name that's our Instagram handle our Twitter account, my Facebook, I keep seeing our because I used to have a partner a co host, but she ended up having to leave so I'm doing it by myself now so you can reach me at people keep dying at gmail. com but if you basically type it in you'll you'll be able to find me
so I understand the struggle of doing it on your own. It's it's tough, but is rewarding at the same time.
It is because then I have a lot more control over like what I'm cutting out and know exactly what I'm putting out for the same time. It's so much more work like My social media has definitely taken a giant hit because that's what I was doing. And she was doing all the audio editing. But I didn't, I don't really enjoy any of that stuff. Like I don't enjoy social media at all. I don't even have one for myself really like I have them, but pictures of like my dog and my cat. So, you know, usually for any information on me online, it's very sparse.
It's a very tricky day and age for the internet and social media where you don't know what to post what not to post. And it's tricky. I agree that it's even tricky for me. I'm like, is this something that people might be interested in? Maybe? No. Yeah, okay.
Yeah, it's like, I'm at that age now, too. I think I'm at that weird age where I'm because I'm 33. So it's one of those things where I grew up in generational when we didn't have internet and we didn't have smartphones. Like, I didn't get a smartphone until I was in university. So it's just kind of weird now that like, we're so connected to everyone, but Am I don't have an interest in letting people know what I'm doing. Because it's not like you're doing anything all the time.
Yeah, guys don't be noisy. Don't Don't look at the Angeles life. Come on.
If you do, all you'll find out is that I really like eating and I really love my pets because my husband also hates social media. So he also doesn't have any pictures really, or really any information on him either. It's the same thing.
The only place you'll learn about Angela is on her podcast called people keep dying. And I won't be talking about myself. No, she's very well alive. I can guarantee that. If she was dead, then this would be a very interesting episode for sure.
It'd be much more interesting podcast if I was dead. And this was like a seance.
Yeah, it's a spiritual podcast. But yeah, today's topic is death. How did you get introduced to the topic, the principle of death?
Well, see, I was always told when I was younger, like, like the many ways I'm going to die like there are I grew up during the LA riots. So during that time, my parents told me because I will, yes, you're not supposed to leave your kids at home, by themselves when they're like in second grade or first grade, but at that point, like you had to because you had to work and you just close the door, and then you hit, you know, you just, like leave any. There's TV noises and use it to sit quietly inside your house and a never answered a door to anyone. And that was like the role. So there was always this kind of like weird fear that someone was gonna come and kill me. I think on top of that, like news was so sensationalized during that time. I remember watching like all of like the car chases and all of like the murder hunts, and there was always helicopters nearby. And it was just a constant thing. And my parents also started making up really random ways that you can die. Like, I think I'd mentioned previously to you, but obviously, the listeners haven't listened but there's this thing. called a Korean fan de. And this is idea that if you fall asleep with a fan on with like it facing you, then you'll die of suffocation.
Okay, yeah, my wife never told me that.
That's a weird thing. Like I didn't even I thought at first that it was just my parents being crazy. But then it's there's actually like a page on Wikipedia about how it's like a weird, like, I don't even urban legend that Koreans made up. I think it's just to like, save electricity to force kids to not waste electricity. I hope I'm not really like my dad told me that if I left the ceiling fan on, then it would like, fall off and then kill me while I'm sleeping. So I couldn't do it.
That's an interesting bedtime story.
So I got used to that. And then on top of that, like, you know, in the States, it's such a culture of watching America's Most Wanted, or cops or you know, these like cop type shows or investigations shows Or like CSI shows, so then you can become obsessed with it. And then I think that's what it was. And a lot of time when I was watching, like, oh, the scary thing happened, it'd be a couple blocks away from where I lived. So that was my
thing. So you could like pretty much just open up the window and see,
well, I mean, I live in a suburb ish neighborhood, but you do hear about it a lot. And my dad or sorry, my parents both worked at a swap meet and cry on Crenshaw Boulevard, which was kind of like the epicenter of the LA riots. So it's just one of those things where we just grew up with like that knowledge of shit happens. And for you, what types of deaths are you mostly interested in? Is it murders, accidental dying of old age, disease, anything around those? Um, it's all of them. Honestly, it's just idea. I think I'm so scared of dying that it feels like you're preparing yourself more if you know about the different ways people died and When I was younger, I had this book where it was like, good. I think it's called final exit where and it gave me descriptions of like, really random ways people died like one guy fell asleep in an outhouse and then froze to death on the toilet. And like that kind of weird, like, what's going on kind of stuff interests me so much because, yeah, it's just it's so sad. I think sudden deaths are what I'm really interested in.
So you do a lot of research about death. How much does the mystery aspect play a role in your interest in death?
I think, see, I grew up with religion and my family. So there's always this idea of like, you're going to be able to go somewhere after you die, but I became very cynical, like every teenager did back in the day. And so I just, I don't know, like, there is no mystery to me. I don't think you die. And then I just it's like the interest of knowing like how someone dies or it's like this weird fear of I think it's like watching one of those suspenseful movies. And then you feel this relief in the end when something good happens like the guy gets caught or something. I think that's the reason why I'm so interested in that. That were
no, no worries at all. There's nothing weird about being interested in things. Yeah. And speaking about interest, is there a specific region in the world that you prefer to focus on? Because you said you have some background of Korea, United States and Canada is or any other regions.
I like focusing mostly in Asian countries and not specifically because Asian countries have the lowest prime rates. So whenever something bad happens, it's big news. Like it's a big deal because it just doesn't happen. You know, someone unfortunately like in the States, if someone gets shot up at a McDonald's, it's one day of news and then you're over it. But in Japan, I think in late May, there was like a stabbing incident and people are still talking about it, because it is so rare. And I find it so interesting. Like what it looked at it from like a social aspect as well of how differently people treat it in different parts of the
world. And so you've learned a lot about the Korea and Japan. Is there any other country in Asia? Or is it just mostly those two?
I mostly cover Korea because I can read Korean so I don't feel like I'm insulting them. I stay away from some countries because it's harder for me to say the names and I feel really bad saying them very terribly. But I did recently cover a story in Malaysia, which was really interesting. And I did one in Taipei because I had just visited there. So it's kind of free game at this point. And I had to I have like 40 episodes out, but because I keep jumping around all over the world. I just haven't had a chance in some countries.
Okay, well, yeah, you're 40 episodes in which is pretty, pretty incredible. Which is great. meaning you're not part of the percentile that just has 10 episodes in gives up you your dedicated you had a co host didn't participate anymore. You're still going strong, which is fantastic.
Which is very scary. Yeah.
Well, if you ever need help, you know from one solo podcast or to another, I have resources will, will stay in touch. We'll help each other out. That's what the podcast community is about.
Exactly. Thank you
know, for you, when you do learn about these new types of deaths or murders or anything related to the afterlife, where do you go to gain your source or get your resource,
I use so much Wikipedia, like so much Wikipedia. And I also do it from like listing it by country. So if you go to Wikipedia, and you look up murders, you can list it by country and then you list it by the year of when something happened. So I'll spend hours clicking on everyone's article. And if someone sounds slightly interesting that I'll type their name in and if you soon as you type their name in at the end of the list, and I'll look at the list and see if someone else's name pops out. And that's how I end up with this like completely crazy cycle. learning new things about different people dying? And do you ever do some cross referencing just in case to get the information? Correct, because I'm sure Wikipedia is not the best for getting proof, or but I'm sure you do a lot of cross referencing. I do. But unfortunately for a lot of Asian countries, they don't have a ton of, you know, English articles. So getting the information of some of these murders is like pulling teeth. So that's really the fun part. Sometimes I'll go on YouTube, and watch a ton of videos as well. And sometimes I'll still cover the story, even though I know it's going to be short, because sometimes that death is just so interesting to me that I find it like I have to cover it regardless.
And are you also interested in the depths of other living creatures such as like animals, plants, micro organisms, viruses? Anything else that's living except for humans?
Um, no, I like not really that's I didn't even that's weird because I'm I'm fascinated with like extinction. I remember when I was younger when, just like a weird reference, but I remember when I was younger, like the dodo bird was still around, I think, and one that one extinct was like a big deal. And I was elementary school. I don't even know if I'm saying that, right? Because that might not even be true at all. But I just I bind, like extinction of animals. So it's sad, but it's also interesting, because how does that happen? I guess it's really like my big thing. And I'm really also really obsessed with tortoises. So, you know, the Galapagos cat, because islands have like, trouble keeping certain species of tortoises like alive and not extinct. So it's really dependent on animal to animal because some animals I don't care about which is kind of sad to say, but it's just true.
know, everybody has their preferences and what is important to them and that's fair, and that's how everybody combined together eventually becomes everybody's cares about something then it brings the world together.
Yeah. Hopefully ever. everyone cares about other people. But that doesn't seem correct anymore. So I don't know.
Well, based off of all the true crime podcast, it seems like a lot of people do not care about other people, which is unfortunate, but it makes for a podcast series I guess.
It does. Directors such a large community of true crime podcast. I think that's another reason why I've been covering so many Asian that's because so many pot like so many great podcasts out there are covering a different array of like UK or American or Canadian. That's but no one really focuses on the Asian countries because it is harder to get information on. So I just, I feel like I can fill a niche that I didn't know existed until I started doing it.
And you're still loving it, which is great. Or you're not loving the death of the people but the whole learning experience. That's what I met.
Yeah, well, I mean, I was already reading about it. It's been like a thing I've always enjoyed doing like, I think reading the news. And you see it a lot when you go on Twitter or Facebook or anything else, like people are all talking about, Oh, well this person died or this person died. Like, I know you're an auto up, but I don't know if you heard that. I think on Sunday, someone, a lady threw herself into the highway and just got hit by a car and stop traffic for three hours. And the fourth one, which is a big deal in Toronto. I did not
hear that. No,
yeah, I just have it on Sunday. We were actually on that highway. And we have seen the traffic and we didn't know what was going on. But it was like a big thing because the firefighters wouldn't clean up the mess because they were, I guess like their chief was afraid that the PTSD would be, you know, given to them for having to clean off the dead body of someone into a ditch was too much, which I couldn't see. So yeah,
actually, on that note, do you think society has become more I wouldn't say immune to death. spillages, it. They don't they don't get us fazed anymore.
Oh, yeah. Because the fact that like, there have been so many school shootings and no one even the only one people, most people couldn't even name at this point. It's just Columbine, like some people can name Sandy hooks and like the other ones, but they happen so often now that it's just like, Oh, well just shooting, oh, it's just another dead person by cop or just not that person, my neighbor or, oh, just another husband who killed her wife. Like, it's just it's gotten to the point where it's kind of ridiculous that it's become so normalized. And what would you say would be the appropriate age for, let's say, kid to start listening to a true true crime podcast, per
I don't know because I started watching America's Most Wanted when I was like seven. And you know, there wasn't cursing in it, but there's definitely a lot of graphic details that kids shouldn't be listening to. So it's really dependent. I feel nowadays, kids are a lot. They take a So quickly because they have the access to internet. And because they have access to the internet, they have access to like a slew of information that they should know so young, but unfortunately they do. So I don't know. It's really dependent on the kid I think to
so whoever is listening to this podcast that is a child. Just keep in mind if you are interested about a topic, keep an open mind. Don't believe everything you see on the internet or read on the internet. Ask your parents for advice or ask questions. Be curious, but always be worried the internet is a beautiful place but a very ugly place at the same time. It's like you looking pretty during the day, but look ugly in the morning. That's the internet.
Yeah, yeah, this is exactly the same thing. It's you can't take anything that happens online at face value anymore. And I don't think you ever could. It's just that there was just less content available. Because I remember Yeah, Ask Jeeves and Yahoo chat rooms not being filled with bots and redirecting from adult sites and stuff. So I don't know. It's different age.
Yeah, exactly. And only the kids know better than we do about technology. today. We're getting we're getting old but we're young at heart.
Always. I refused to learn how to use Snapchat. So yeah,
Snapchat is the one where you take pictures of your feet and you send it to your boss right?
But disappear so there's no proof of it even though like I think you take a screenshot I wasn't really sure how that worked. But it's like a weird thing. No,
no, we have to do is you gotta get your digital camera and take a picture of your phone have with that little screen on it. So that's how you think a
lot people have digital cameras around nowadays with their smartphones.
Exactly. So what would you say is the best part about learning about death on a personal and emotional level?
I like I like it. When I read about what happens in the trial and like what the community does for the victims. I focus a lot on That, like my latest episode that I'm working on right now, I focus probably a good portion of the of the podcast on, like how everyone rallied for that person or you know how people feel about that death because I want to know, I want to know like what kind of effect that person had when they died around with everyone around them. But that doesn't mean anything either because I also love reading about like, random True Crime things like everything about it. It's just so interesting to me. I don't know, it's just, it's like, I guess it's like that. opening up a bag of chips and then you eat one, but then you just have to finish all of it. The same consumption, consumption feel I feel when I read anything that happens. True Crime rise, like on the internet.
So you're kind of like once you finish one story, you want to jump to the next one. Do you jump to a relatively similar stories or something that's completely different.
And it really is day by day. And there's no there's no like logic to any of the ways that end up reading like I'll go from sometimes it's like location based. Sometimes it's depending on how I feel that day like what I feel like reading about. Sometimes I'm just thinking like, I wonder what a cannibal would think of this. And then I'll like look up cannibals and then look up quotes, and then they'll pick the victims and the victims will somehow have like a weird connection to something else. And I'll end up in like a random death of someone falling off a cliff or something. So it's really clearly
know this might also be a dark question. But would you ever be interested in interviewing somebody who has either been a witness to a murder or in extreme cases, a murderer, let's say after they released from prison, then they're back in society.
I would actually really like to know someone who was released back into society because I do feel like some depends on the type of murder. There are some people where I don't feel like they should have been released at all. There's a lot of people I don't think should have been released at all and I think I might feel I be too angry to interview them. I like my head, let my emotions get in the way, which would make me a really bad reporter. But I just want to be able to do it with some but I would want to talk to someone who survived an almost murder, or someone who had witnessed one just to see like the facts and just to see like how they're doing and how they're coping and how they're managing to live. Because I always see myself I've never been able to visualize myself was like a murderer, but I can definitely visualize myself as a victim. So like talking to someone who is a victim I feel would help me understand like get into mind space, as well like a headspace.
Yeah, so for whoever's listening, who has been a witness or in a serious situation like that, you don't have to do it. But if you are interested in want to share your story, you can contact Angela, I'm sure she'll be more than happy to get you on her podcast and she's very respectful. So if there's certain topics you don't want to talk about your bio, me You don't need to talk about it. But if you want to get the message out there for, let's say, people who are curious about how to maybe survive a situation like this or the after effects of it on the mental health, just contact Angela, if you're interested in going on a podcast. And yeah, I'll let Angela do the rest from that point. I won't be the middleman anymore. This this just connect. And that's about it.
Yeah, so if you're interested in any way of talking to me about a death or surviving death, or just in general just talking about it, I would love to hear it. I love hearing like secondhand stories of that kind of stuff.
In that case, I don't know if this counts as a near death experience. But I guess I kind of had one I used to work boat. I feel like you're on the edge of your seat. Yeah, yeah. This is story. Work on a boat and we would take turns either being a captain or the tour guide and whoever was the tour guide would have to go in the back of the boat to dock the boat. You do a 182 just pivot on the spot to bring the boat back onto the deck. And the person who was the tour guide would jump onto the deck, tie the boat down. It was a rainy day. So day I tried to just step off, but my ankle twisted and I fell backwards almost smashing my head on the middle boat. It's a pretty big boat. It's like I think it's called a butterfly boat. And also so my head was smashed the back of the boat. And then as the boat was coming in, almost squished my head between the docks, and I'm swimming away almost got my legs cut off by the propellers.
Oh my god, but
I was so excited.
So yeah, but in that moment, I did not panic. I just realized Okay, I'm in a serious situation. I should probably just swim back away from the dock as I was at the edge of the dog but still close enough for my other Yes. swish. Sorry if this is not safe for work for people who listen to my podcast and do this give me a nice, nice episode. Yeah, sorry.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you see the title and they're like, no, no I probably should listen to this and my speaker at work
yeah, exactly but if you are interested listen to it but yeah, that was my experience with quote unquote my near death experience I don't know if that is considered one but it is for sure and I like my husband watch Deadliest Catch so whenever he tells me like someone almost died as like all they want to hear about I don't care what they caught I want to know about the story
naturally like what happened how did it happen? How could it be prevented if those are all the thought process like what could they have done to stop it? What can they get done to prevent it and I think like that's the reason why because I'm like, first of all, I guess if I'm not on the boat, I'll never happen but besides that if you're hitting this situation, what do you do to survive and then what do you not do? I think not panic. He was probably the best thing that you could possibly done. Yeah, it
was like kind of zoned out as I was going like, I went to body mode instincts like Alright, so I'm back. No, just get out of this situation. And then I got out I'm like, Huh, that could have been more see And then I just went back to work.
which you probably probably appreciate it because that's what they want you to do. I think on those boats. Yeah, a little bit I know about it.
Yeah. After you're almost getting your head squished legs cut off, go back to what? So what would you say was your biggest challenge when you first started learning about death?
I honestly can't even remember a time not knowing about that. That's the weird thing. Like, I can remember it because I just remember growing up with live TV and back when it wasn't a 24 hour news cycle. It used to be like, you know, tune in at eight o'clock to hear about this woman who was walking around the block about a dead body like, that's what you listen to all day.
And so and he didn't really have a challenge when you first started but you have a challenge now.
My challenge now is keeping away from pictures that are too grotesque. That's my biggest challenge. Like I'll have nightmares which is really weird for someone is researches so much about death. I don't like So the really disrespectful pictures that are available like at game the serial killer has, you know, he had made people into furniture. So seeing those pictures work great.
Yeah, yeah, that's definitely not something you want to have your breakfast with
know or like and I have a really bad habit of doing a lot of my research at night while I'm in bed on my phone. So then if I see those pictures, like before I fall asleep,
then that's all that's never good. I don't know about you, but I'm like the type of person when I'm let's say, I'm about to go to bed. Sometimes I'm looking at plus a nine day and it is a disturbing picture. I'm like, Nope, I am not ending my night looking at the disturbing picture. I'm going to find, let's say, a funny picture or a cute picture. Yep, that's gonna be the last picture of my memory.
I do that but I mean, like, my brain can't help but like, refocus on it because I remember the very first time it happened. It was I don't even know what age I was, but I had accidentally found a bit church. The murder like the Black Dahlia murder, and her face being ripped like because he had card like this really grotesque smile on her face and she was dismembered and I found a picture and I had nightmares about it for weeks. I still have nightmares about an hour once in a while if I think about it, but I just do and I don't even know if it's good idea to mention it because I'm afraid of people sending me pictures now.
Our guys do not I don't think my audience is that dangerous. But if you're thinking of doing it, don't do it. Come on, guys. Be respectful. I believe in you. You guys are good people. You're listening to these podcasts to learn. And so far, you've been great to my guests and just keep up the good work.
Yeah. And if it ever got to a point I make my husband do it because I'm a big sissy.
And so your podcast revolves around the structure of death. How did you actually build your podcast link because there's so many True Crime podcasts out there. What makes Your structure the you start by talking about death itself or and then or you try to build up to the death like do you reveal this person's dead? And then explain how are you like this person live, live, live live and then he died or she died.
It depends on what it is like I've done a couple of really random ones. I did like a structural building collapsed in Korea that killed over 1000 people I did the boats that sink in 2017 in Korea. So some of those don't have like a really beginning I'll talk a little bit about how the boat was built or how the building was built. But some deaths I start off right away with like this person died because there really isn't a ton of information about that. But then there's a ton of information of what follows.
And I've listened to a few of your episodes. You talk a lot about the aftermath after the death as well, right.
That's what I'm mostly interested in because, you know, it's, it's like people and it's a really sad thing to say but It's like people who commit suicide, like the aftermath is almost worse or almost always worse than the actual event. Because people have survived what just this awful that that just happened to them because it doesn't just affect the person who died and affects the whole community and your family and your friends. So I like being able to talk about the community aspect, and the family aspect because that's like, and how if anything changes because of the incident because that's what interests me more.
No, I completely understand. It's the, the domino effect of once that first domino falls, everything else or the snowball effect, or one of those effects that would happen that it just sets off a chain reaction of things, whether it's courts or families tearing apart or relationships, friendships, it's a good concept like you present all the sides and you present it in a very respectful way.
Thank you. I appreciate I tried really hard, and sometimes I'll say something and I'll edited it out because I Like I don't know how someone will misconstrue what it just said, because I don't like it when I listen to something and I feel I feel kind of offended. And I think that's what I try to stay away from to like offending too many people by sounding like, I don't care about what happened to this person. Will you
tell me people get offended on the internet?
I know. It's weird.
Know, not my internet.
But how studying death ever stressed you out? It's just like reading a story like this is a little too much too intense for me.
It always stresses me out. Every time I read about it, it stresses me out because whenever something happens, I'm like, how did this even like how did it get out of hand so quickly? Why will like I'm always questioned like, I'll be in the middle of reading a book and I'll start yelling at the book. Like why did why did this not get stopped now? Why didn't someone stopped this person at this point? Why did it get to escalate to this other points or so it's that's always the case and that's what drives me crazy, but at the same time, I ended Understand that you can't arrest someone unless they do something wrong, even if they're caught, like almost doing what they're about to do. Mm hmm. And that's what it drives me completely insane number I read all the stories about that kind of stuff. Because it's like, unless you're getting caught in the act, it's not going to happen.
And what would you say are some misconceptions about people who do study death or learn about death?
Um, we're not all obsessed with like, I can't really speak for everyone, because there's so many of us. We're all we all come from very different walks of life. I know that lots of people don't really like it. But I think there is a very large community and the large fascination with it, because now nowadays, like, every network has a true crime show. Every network has documentaries, all the true crime documentaries are going crazy. And people love or love reading about this stuff. So I think that there's more of us. There are people who don't enjoy it.
It's a popular thing right now everybody's getting invested. And it helps people learn about the truth in the world. Okay, it's not all peachy and rainbows and cupcakes. It's, there's a dark side to the world too. I think you should know that if you live in the States, and you're trying to news at any point and unfortunately, that's just what that's the
truth there. That's, that's unfortunate.
Yeah. What has learning about death torture in life.
It's taught me that it's really important to appreciate every day like, it's a sort of like a cliche thing to say, but I do appreciate every day gets live because I every time I read about someone dying, I feel like Well, I'm glad that I wasn't me, which is kind of a weird thing, especially if you're reading about like, that's from so long ago, but that's what I always think of like, I'm really glad it wasn't me and I actually really appreciate of it And I'm so appreciative of in that situation. So it's just, I guess, like being able to live my life and not living in too much fear, which is kind of weird. Like, it's paradoxical in the way that like, so obsessed with not dying, and I keep thinking about dying, but it gives me like some sort of comfort in knowing about how other people died. So in other words, you kind of find like that perfect balance to for you to enjoy life and also be precautious at the same time. Yeah, but there's there's so much it's such a weird it's a weird thing because you The more you read about how people died, the more you realize that you could die from literally anything. So you know, like don't drink your water. Don't even eat any food anymore, just in case because I did recently did one about eco lie and I'm like, so I guess you can't drink water either or drink apple juice or eat any fruit just don't. Don't leave the house.
Speaking of which D does the news scare you not scare you but you know how they say this causes cancer this will give you this this will do this does that post here because I feel like every now and then I will not every now and then pretty much every day now I hear that everything gives you cancer literally you walk too much gives you cancer you blink and gives you cancer you wearing boxers where it gives you cancer I think because of hearts so much of how everything causes cancer. I just assume I have cancer interesting way to look at it Yeah,
I it's really silly but every time someone's like well you're going to get cancer for this I'm like well then I'm already have cancer, I guess. Because there was like a big scare about ramen noodles give me cancer because you know, it's in the carcinogens and like the ramen noodles are really bad for you. And I'm like, Well, I guess I'm dying with cancer soon. I don't know.
Well, I have a friend who kept on saying that kimchi gives stomach cancer.
I mean that the kimchi is also supposed to save you from the bird flu. So Exactly. This
is like the one thing that could save you will end up killing you in another way. So
Water can now kill you too because you can't trust your you know your government to keep the water clean anymore either. So
Damn it, I'm 70% water. What should I do with it?
You should just
go just drain my water replace it with some nothing mineral bottled water from not even
that. Yeah, not Nestle for sure.
Okay, a coke, I'm gonna put some Coca Cola in my body that's gonna be my new water
if you boil the water and yeah, the whole thing. It's true. I just assumed like everyone's gonna die of cancer. As you don't die of cancer. You're at this point, you're just trying to outrun the cancer and your body. So if you live a long time, you're supposed to get cancer just later in life.
I have this strange theory about cancer where back, let's say 100 years, 200 years for 300 400 years ago, people would say, Oh, you died of the flu. And they just generalized everything as the flu. And nowadays, we're just pretty much generalizing everything is cancer. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a medical professional. But I feel like since there's so many cancers, we're just generalizing calling Oh, it's just all cancer. But in the future, maybe 50 years now, maybe tomorrow, maybe 100 years, they're gonna say, well, this isn't actually a cancer. This is something else that kind of like, yeah, right now, our cancer is the equivalent to the flu maybe 300 years ago.
I mean, I, yeah. Because people just live longer nowadays. And that's the real difference. So I feel like in the future as we are going to be able to live longer, it's going to be different things. And we're cancers. Well, I guess every cancer is different. But if cancer ever gets eradicated, then it'll be something else that's killing us exactly. Because of that
bacteria and viruses always find a way to survive. That's, that's their problem is they thrive, eat and multiply and survive. That's what bacteria do, and then they get immune. So when you build your own immune system, they'll have an immune system. And it just goes on and on and on. Actually, you know what? Here's a rhetorical question a rhetorical question about the hypothetical situation. If you have the possibility to live forever would you do that? No.
I, I I've told I'm I told my husband a couple times to I told him that he has to die after me because I can't watch someone else said I love that much die before we just very selfish but I can't. I can't I wouldn't be able to because if I could if I had don't have kids, but if I had kids and then I had to watch them die before me. It would I wouldn't really see a purpose anymore.
My wife says the exact same thing for our relationship as well
see, it's because it's like this, this feeling of like well I found you that this is it but you have to die after me because I don't want
is a race to the bottom innocence.
Even though I am supposed to live longer, but he is younger. So we'll see how this works out. Same with my relationship
with my wife.
See? So let's we'll see hope hopefully, we get our way which is that the guys died after.
Will you say we didn't include me?
Yes, of course, Korean stick together and we're just like, we have to watch them. You know they have to wait for us we die first and then and then it's fine afterwards.
This this this got really dark but my wife's gonna listen to this like Alex, you know what I agree with her?
And so since you have a podcast this question is going to be pretty much useless but I'm going to ask it anyways, do you want to present this hobby to the world or use it as an escape from reality?
I use it as both, even though it's not really escape from reality because I'm covering something that's so in the present and is a part of our reality. But I just I don't know I just really enjoy it. I just like doing it. And I just like presenting something that people don't really cover Much, which is people, a lot of people do true crime and death podcast, but I just like presenting, I guess, the less covered murders and less covered deaths.
You're talking about the ones that don't get as much coverage, the ones that deserve some sort of spotlight, but don't get it.
Yeah, like there's so many of them, obviously, because so many people die every day. Like there's so many people who die every day. And even if there is like a big murdered and it gets completely overshadowed by something else that happens the next day.
So well, there was an interesting case back here in Ottawa I think was a few years ago, of a nurse and a retirement home she would she killed a, I believe eight seniors.
Oh, yeah. Well, we have one here, too. We have Elizabeth what Laufer and she's, I think she killed like 70 or something. But yeah, it's unfortunately very carpeted.
Yeah, hopefully that stops there. But see Yeah,
it doesn't. That's the worst part, you know that it's, you know, it's happening somewhere else. And you know, it's Yeah. Speaking of which this might be another tough question. Do you think the fact that there's so much news coverage or websites on the internet about and murders encourages people to, let's say, murder? I think it does, which is probably the opposite of bronze per se, because a lot of people want you to say today, there should be more coverage on it. But I do think that people see these murders and they think like, Oh, I could have done it better. Which is, yeah,
that's always my big fear. When I read about something like someone's gonna read it and be like, well, what could I have done to not get caught? So that's what I was afraid of when I was watching CSI like what if there's future murderers who watch the show, and then now they take more serious forensic countermeasures after watching the show. You always hope that these TV shows make It. So it seems like it looks real, but it's pretty much impossible. Like when you watch a detective show and you say, zoom in on that, and then just suddenly get some quality of the camera improves when you zoom in, which isn't how cameras work. No, you don't. But hopefully there's like stuff like that where they do it on purpose that it's not as easy as it looks on TV. It is not as seen on TV.
And for the most part for a lot of the murders that I've covered, it seems like police police investigation, for the most part is like they have an idea of who did it. So then they try to work a lot of evidence to fit whoever they think it is, which I don't not really sure that's the best way but it is I'm not a cop. So I don't actually know if that is the best way or not. But it always feels kind of biased whereas when you watch a TV show, and it's like they're completely unbiased and then they only they only follow the evidence and they don't they don't let any preconceived notion of the suspects. I guess like swayed him in a certain direction whereas in real life, it happens all the time.
Yeah, that's unfortunate. If you had to give one big piece of solid advice to anybody who's interested in learning about death, what would you tell them?
I grow up in such a weird spot. Like I think about it now. And I'm like, and nowadays you can just go on Reddit and just type in true crime and then join their community. And then for the most part, a lot of people are very respectful because if you're not, they'll just downvote you and that's where I get. I asked her I read a lot of information but when I was younger, I used to go to like Barnes and Nobles or borders and go through their clearance books and then invite all of their sure crime books and read them. But I don't think that's how it works. Now
know you have the not the truth, but the information at your fingertips.
Yeah, now you can look it up no matter where you are. And you couldn't even get connected with other people who think just like you from all over the world and discuss it And that wasn't like a thing when I was younger so it's a it's just weird. It's such a weird time to be in now.
No, you mentioned it at the beginning of the show. We're going to mention it again. Do you have any social media links websites podcast? perhaps maybe that you would like to share with the listeners?
my podcast is people keep dying and my social medias are all people keep dying. My email is people keep dying at gmail. com. There is so many podcasts out there and as soon as like and then a blank completely on it because I just recorded so I said a ton of them. Don't remember any names. But there is a I would say more than anything else like to try a smaller podcast just because yeah, you can go to the bear podcast and check them out and they're uncover a lot of the bigger stories and everything else. But there's there's a certain degree of like too polished and too many ads that I don't Really like, a lot of new, like bigger ones now,
then the smaller ones also have a lot to offer as well.
A lot. Yeah, like a smaller ones have a lot to offer. And it's always good to just listen in on different new ones and still feel you'll be able to make a better connection to the small ones anyways, because they're more likely to actually respond to you and try to, I guess, create more of a fan relationship with you than a bear podcasts where they have so many fans that they're not going to be able to respond to you every time. So, you know, of course, listen to the bigger ones. There's a reason why they're bigger, but also try to sprinkle in a couple of smaller ones. It's like listening to music. You know, you want to try out a couple of indie bands as well as the bigger popular ones that you already like.
And Angela is one of those people that responds very quickly. So yes, yeah, I wouldn't say you're a small podcast, you're 40 episodes in, you're doing well. But you're one of those podcasts that is connected to the community.
Well, it helps that I work from work, so Or sorry I work from home. So I'm always on my phone. Well, there you go. She She
has glued to her fingers. So the moment you send a message, boom, she's right there.
three in the morning. Good. Lot of time for TV.
Yes, of course you gotta learn somehow, right? That's the true crime TV shows
all of them, but also ton of every TV show
either Angela is well versed in every topic. She could start a podcast about anything.
I would listen to that podcast for sure.
Yeah, that was that was a consideration for podcasts for bit.
See, I don't think I could ever do that. Because people I speak very badly on about TV shows like, I'm very literal, like, oh, Michael Scott. He just almost killed somebody by hitting them, hitting them with their car or
whatever. It's like he almost killed someone with his car. Okay. He almost chose somebody
killed Meredith. She has rabies. Just like that. Do
you remember the name of that? Run for find the cure for rabies?
Yeah. Because my husband had the shirt. And it was a very long, it was like Michael Scott Scott's run for rabies cure or something
like that. Awesome shirt. Awesome. fundraiser name. So the last question I have for you is do you have any questions for me about death?
I never asked. I do ask this a lot. But is there a story about someone's death or a murder that's ever stuck with you that even if you're not interested in it, it's been you think about it a lot.
I'm actually Yeah, yeah, none that I think about it. I don't know if you've ever you remember this one. But there was a girl. I think she was from Vancouver. And she went to a visit, I think was in Los Angeles. And she ended up in a water container on the roof.
Yeah, she was a Alyssa lamb or Yeah, I think her name was a little lamb nose at the hotel like I want to see sessile cecille or something but actually know what I hotel is the grandma doesn't live that far away from there. And then she ended up in the water tank and and no one really knows what happened to her.
Yeah. Did they ever find the reason? So let's let's talk to me because I think that was really interesting and there was a video camera like a video yeah of her in the elevator. like weird Yeah,
yeah, yeah, she does talk to me a lot especially since like that hotel was kind of known as like the weird hotel because a couple of serial killer stayed there before and you know, but yeah, that was definitely the death
that stuck to me because it's such a mystery where how to because apparently I think the water tank was pretty heavy or how do you handle it?
Yeah, very heavy and like she had taken her things out and it was just like, how does she end up in there and it also closed the tank on herself. Yeah, that's why it was weird.
Yeah, so that's that's definitely the one that stuck to me. But yeah, that's so yeah, there you have it another body with a hobby. Thank you so much, Angela for coming on. And touching a subject that I never thought I was going to touch but I did really enjoy it. I learned a lot. I expose my new I would say a you expanded my mind on the principle of death.
Yeah that's what I'm here bar. That's what I do to everyone around me This is really make a lot of friends but it's fine.
No no, we're friends now we're friends we're gonna connect on a lot of different things we're connecting on a podcast for because we're podcasters we're going to connect on death hopefully in I don't know how we're going to do that. I'm still learning it's a process. I like to connect with every guest I have on their hobby. So eventually I will connect with you and everybody else so I'm going to be the man who's just gonna have like, a hobby for every five seconds like boom, boom, boom, yeah, death Yo, yo, boom. Oh, Rubik's Cube. Oh, walking. Oh, no podcasting, just everything. But thank you so much again, Angela.
No problem. Thank you for having me.
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