Bloomfield Planning Board meeting, September 15, 2020

3:49PM Sep 16, 2020

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Okay, Alan, we're live,

regular meeting of the planning board at the township of Bloomfield Tuesday, September the fifth 2020 is now in session. Notice of the time, date, location and agenda of this meeting to be extended known, was provided at least 48 hours prior to the commencement of this meeting, in the following manner pursuant to the provisions of chapter 231 of the law 1975 to open public meeting, one by posting such notice on the bulletin board and municipal building, by mailing such notices any offices of the independent press one for the life I started ledger, I'd like to ask everyone to stand for the flag, please. And there's a flag right behind the goal

and to the republic for which it stands, one Nation under God

with liberty and justice

Okay, let me just let two people in here.

Hold on let me do that.

Oh no. How do I get that back?

Alright, so let me take, we have Dr. Hill.

Okay, thank you. Alright, hold on. Mr. Laporte. Here, Mr. Sitka? Yeah. Mr. fabula. Here,

Mr. Mr. lassic. Here,

Councilman Rockwell here, Mr. Stein? Yeah. Miss Richardson. Here, chairman of quaglia. The only one that I'll see right now is Mr. Harvey. Okay.

Okay. My first order of business is already solution from 113 dash 119 Washington Street, the comisiones. Please read that in short

resolution in the matter of the application of public service electric and gas. For preliminary and final site plan approval variances pursuant to njsa 40 colon 55 d dash 70 C for front and side yard setback and fence height deviations and waivers from sight plants admission requirements to permit the expansion of and upgrades to the Tonys Brook station, a property located at 113 dash 119 Washington Street block 224 lots of seven 910 and 11.

Now everybody should have gotten that in advance.

Yes, any questions?

Can I have a motion to accept or deny the resolution?

Okay, it can be it can be Mr. Bhatt EULA miscella for Chairman lapaglia. Mr. Elastic Miss Richardson, Councilman Rockwell, Mr. Stern or Mr. zinka.

It was Mr. zinka made the motion Do I have a second?

Mr. Before it? Got it. Okay. Mr. fabula. Mr. Laporte? Yes. Mr. lassic? Yes, Miss Richardson? Yes, Councilman Rockwell? Yes,

Mr. Stan? Yes.

Mr. seca? Yes gentlemen.

Yes resolution.

Thank you Nick. No problem. next order of business. application of Bushite grill and banquet holding company LLC is applicant and owner for minor site plan approval, and any such other relief as may be required from the zoning ordinance of the township of Bloomfield to construct various exterior improvements in the subject property in a neighborhood business be to zone on premises known as math 30 block 813 lot one better number 41

of this Mr. Harvey is coming in.

So he'll be here as well. So for the record, Mr. Harvey is connecting to his audio I believe

Mr. Harvey is gonna read that one more time. The application so then we'll start fresh with him.

Okay.

It's Mr. Harvey on. Yes I am. How are you? Good good this Jake good to hear from you anyway. Okay, I'm gonna read it one more time I think the full board here Nick. Yes. And we have put okay yeah, application of Brookside grill and banquets holding company LLC as applicant and owner for minor site plan approval and any such other relief as may be required by the zoning ordinance of the township of Bloomfield to construct various exterior improvements a subject property and a neighborhood business. The dish to zone our premises known as Matt 30. Block 813 lat one burned on this 41 bone Avenue. And we have a letter from Mr. tremula. The attorney present applicant data call. This will confirm that the above application listed on the agenda for tomorrow night's planning board meeting has been postponed to the board's next meeting on October the sixth 2020. In order to allow additional time for the applicant to submit revised plans for this project. We expect to submit those plans within the next week. The applicant did consents to any necessary extension of the time to act on this application. Thank you for your courtesies. allergy Can I have a motion to adjourn this to the October

16.

I believe

Start. You still want to be racist? Okay.

Okay.

Dr. Hill.

Dr. Hill? Yes. Mr. Laporte? Yes. Mr. Zepeda? Yes. Mr. Harvey?

Yes,

Mr. fabula.

Mr. Pack? Yes. Okay, Mr. lassic?

Yes, Councilman Rockwell? Yes. Mr. Stern? Yes, Miss Richardson?

Yes. Jemima quaglia.

Yes. So move will be heard. We're moving for the October 6 meeting.

Okay.

Okay, next order. We're going to flip flop this

application of Brookdale Sharpe rated corporate beta as applicant and Harvey Rosenblatt as an owner for both variances the luminaria final major site plan approval and waiver of site plan requirements to construct additions to the existing shop right in a cc community commercial and are all regional offices on premises known as mat 44. Block 1231 lots 43 15.01 and 46, better known as 1381 and 1409 Broad Street and 400 broadacres Drive and we have a memo from Mr. Murrow cheese farm. Okay, Chairman members of the board regarding 1381 or 1409 broadstreet slash 440 acres drive block 1231 watts 4346 at 15.01 shoprite Incorporated sharp realty light 43 vsrx parking lot 15 a 1.01 brought acres owner out See by 46 zone cc community commercial aro regional office, their Chairman and members of the planning board. The applicant proposes a substantial expansion of the existing Brookfield shoprite supermarket. Brookfield sharp re entered into a 99 year lease for a portion of what 46 from broad acres owner LLC and in order to expand that supermarket. The governing body expanded the community commercial zoning cc to include this lease portion of what 46 in order for the project to proceed before the board. board members will recall that the subject property did receive preliminary and final site plan approval on February 26 2019. The original approval was for 1700 and 27 square feet front vestibule addition and a 24,707 square feet rear edition The other one site improvements including parking area modifications, lighting, landscaping and drainage improvements. The application before the planning board presently request a reduced expansion of the supermarket onto the leased land. The proposed addition is 12,560 square feet. The applicants professionals shall explain the reduction and size of the proposed addition. It is important to note that the proposed site improvements are the same as the improvements approved in 2019. As a matter of fact, drainage runoff will actually be reduced open reduction in the proposed addition. Therefore, my office has no engineering comments with respect to this application. However, my office reserves the opportunity for further comments pending testimony receiver in the area respectfully submitted anything's watching court consulting engineer and being said this there's so much No era.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the board. For the record Ralph chase allow on behalf of the applicant. And first I'd like to thank you for accommodating us switching positions on the agenda. And, and to thank Lisa, again for being so generous to do that.

I have one witness tonight. And that's my teacher who will testify in the fields of engineering and planning. And I've walked her home at this time to go through the application and the variance is that are required in connection with the modification, reducing the addition by approximately 50%. So I want your listeners featuring as an expert in the fields of engineering and planning and what it is that you accept this fall issues. am Mr. Salerno, Mr. patriots bear In front of this board many, many times we accept this qualification as we usually do.

I'm just gonna swear him in if that's okay.

Sure.

Okay, raise right hand. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I do. Thank you. Can you just state your name for the record?

Jay Michael Petri II ROI

try. Thank you, Mr. patri.

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Yeah, you're right but that doesn't make sense. All right. Okay.

Okay. So this might be a series of three slides I'm going to share with you. This is the originally approved plan. So if more previously approved plan has been calling for

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We're back before the board this evening to modify our original approvals as it relates to the size and shape of the approved building additions. For the record our application continues to consistent three lots of was outlined in this Ruchi letter bought 43 which contains the shoprite building and the associated parking. And that this last year, like 1501, which is this lot here, also Franklin on Broad Street, which was the overflow parking for the art facility that also services, Brookfield Baptist Church and a lot of 46 which is 400 broad acre drive, and this is the office building that is on that site. From our prior appearance here this evening, we both the mayor and council have modified the zone line that separates the our ozone from the CC zone and our three is approved This black dashed line that I'm highlighting here was the was the zone line and our lease line. The dark blue that's shown here for the building and the rear was the addition. That addition was 23,800 square feet. There's also a vestibule addition in the front. And those two additions total 25,563 feet. The board will recall he started by comparing plans for the three parking lot individually and we came before you to get the three parking lot renovations approved. And then we came back in February 2019. For the addition as the design was taken care of, as Mr. Ruchi pointed out in his letter, there are really no changes to the site improvements The parking configuration stays the same, the entrances stay the same, the walkways stay the same, the points of entry of the building stays the same. There are minor changes that have to do with the shop right from home. There was an entrance here on the roof plan for the shop right from home. And entrance is changed slightly and I'll show you how to get to that plan. But other than those sidewalk changes, there are absolutely no changes to the site improvements. When we came in before the Council for the zone change, we prepared this and I felt it was a significant enough to show the board the change that we're making good to see. So the plan that I showed you before have his own line in black, and now it's shown here in green, this green rectangle. In addition, again, the green rectangle, act and build. What we have done is we've reduced the size of that Building addition from this green rectangle to this red kind of odd shapes, addition to the rear, in turn, we also change the zone line from what was this green line, the only changes up in this corner from this green line here to this red line here. So the zone line area stays the same, but the zone line itself moves slightly in this north west or north east corner. It changed so that we met the setback from the building to that zone line. So that's, in essence the difference that I'm going to speak about today. And this is our proposed plan.

I propose Plan.

This is what's proposed. We'll mark this a two,

a three a two week the previous one,

which is a two,

this is a two the previous one was a one the original plan.

Oh, hold on a one is this right previously approved plan. A two is the original revised zone line.

Okay.

A three is the overall layout which is sp two and you're set. Okay, our post our proposed additions include a 1700 and 27 square foot vestibule addition, and a 12,560 square foot addition in the rear build. That's a total of 14,280 square feet of addition, versus the previously approved 25,563 square feet. We're proposing something that's a little more than 11,000 square feet smaller than what you originally Prove. We know that the lease area has also changed shape and that's shown on this plan as a as a dashed black line. And what we have is a series of variances and waivers that we need to present to this board to make these changes. First of all, the lot coverage limitation within this zone is 85%. Our previous plan was approved for 92%. Our proposed plan reduces that total to 87.3%. significantly better than what was approved, but still in excess of what is permitted in the zone. Similarly, your open space requirement which is the opposite of your coverage requirement, has a minimum of 15% our previously approved plan At 8% open space, the proposed plan increases that open space to 12.7%. Again, and significantly better than what was approved, but still less than what is required by your code. So as Mr. maroochy points, our drainage system remains the same, but the runoff will be less, because we'll have less impervious in this proposed plan and we will in the plan that was previously approved. Additionally, the rear setback which on what's been marked a one with 10 feet to the property line on the proposed plan is a minimum of 40 feet to the property line. The ordinance has a requirement for 35 feet in any direction. So we're taking away a variance along the common line on board. Six, where we had 10 before and now we have 4035 being required, we do have a variance for the corner

of the new addition,

in the previously approved plan that is 10 feet. In this plan, it is 5.62 v. That is the common line between lots 43 and 1501. So, let's significant about that is that these are both under both of the last fall under separate companies are under the control of the same applicants. So we're continuing to see waivers for the requirements of the environmental impact statement and the traffic report. Again, we're dealing with areas that are reducing and impervious we're dealing with gaps That are reducing and building. So, both the environmental impacts and the traffic impact are reduced. I was proposed before you tonight I offer that the modifications to the variances for lot coverage and open space can be granted under either a C one or a C two criteria. The existing supermarket needs to continue servicing the community. But it does require an expansion in order to meet the needs of that community. The existing conditions were legally established and those conditions constitute the particular practical difficulties associated with the development on this lot. I believe that is the hardship that justifies the variances under c one criteria for those who guides

under the sea too often an increase in open space.

a decrease in lock coverage. Both promote the purpose of light air and open space and for provide protection from flooding, as they ultimately reduce the runoff from what was previously approved. I don't see any substantial detriment to either one of these two variances as they represent an improvement over the previously approved variances with regards to the setback to 1501 and that is the corner of the shop right from home right here as your bas lot 1501. We get a lot for that this property is controlled by the applicant and the setbacks are between two owner controlled properties and therefore are insignificant. In fact, it's actually better that the setback is smaller in the distance from the parking to the door with services the job break from holding here. will be shorter. And what does that mean? Well, if it's shorter that means that the cars that are waiting outside idling in the parking lot are idling for less time, because the people bringing out the groceries have less distance to walk. So that I offer that besides being good design. This variance reduces traveling from door to door and thereby reduces idle time of the parking lot, just promotes both the general welfare and it promotes clean air. It also allows the supermarket to continue to serve the community while the expansion is implemented. Because the setback is to a common property line, there's no negative impacts associated with that distance. In my opinion, those requested variants have variances have no adverse impact on the public good, nor do they impair the intents and purposes zoning plan zoning ordinance in that they are all part of an essential service. And the impacts of the variance on anything or anyone other than the applicant itself are minimal

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question for Mr. Can we ask question that still leaves us up here, Nick?

I mean, we can. I mean, but I can't see everybody until we take that down.

All right. You know what? Let's just see if we can do this easily. Are there any questions from anybody? Yeah.

Did you say dinner by yourself? I can't see. This is Ilan. This is Mr. Stern again. So based on

what's being presented for the new edition, is what what is the other remaining space going to be used for?

So the space between the new

the property line The actual building that blank white space what is the intention of that space

as open space one area

so that's going to be grass.

Yes. Okay so that will be maintained by shot by

the owners.

Yes. Okay. And will there be bothered setup I see we have an A and Jason area parking that's from the other parking lot will there be bollards and some sort of separation between cars being able to not go over the grass just started this this curb line along the this common area for a lot more these days. There's actually also a row of evergreens behind Packer one that's part of the requirement of the lease line. And a lot a lot 1501 is actually curve and here there's actually sidewalk that separate the parking lot from that lawn area. So yes, there is there's adequate separation. Okay. And so just to be clear, none of that space will be you For any storage, nothing will be stored outside that area. That is correct.

Okay, that's all.

Anybody else and please identify yourself.

I hear no one is chairman Michael Rubin. I just have one question. Yes.

Mr. Petri, the front edition festival edition is that thing changed off from what was previously approved?

I think there's a fractional difference in the square footage. I can't tell you exactly what the previous number was 16 something on 1680 I think and now 1727. I think it's just what came up in the construction documents for the builders in terms of the wall thickness.

So in other words, it's just going to be slightly larger, and it's just a construction. You know,

I don't know what the right term is, but basically, it's not substantial or significant anyway. Correct. And it doesn't affect the curb line or the parking in any way. Okay. He Do you have the number there? Can you get me the numbers in the difference in the addition just

the square foot numbers at some point?

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Okay, great. Thank you.

Anybody else? Okay, nobody? Does anybody calling in from the public?

I can't see it. So we unshare the screen.

Well, let's share it then. And we'll just run through that real quick.

I don't see anybody raising their hand, but let me just double check the whole list here.

Nobody from the public is raising their hand.

Okay, thank you, Mr. B tree.

Does Mr. Ruchi. Any questions? I'm sorry, Mr. maroochy. You have any questions?

No. Do I have any further questions? Okay, great.

Mr. Roman, for the record. The Previous

was 1688 and the current is 1727 40 square feet. 39. Okay, good.

Thank you.

Okay. Again, thank you Mr. Petri. Thank you. Mr. Salerno, anyone else that constitutes the applicants case? Okay. Is there anybody from the public at all tuned in on this, Nick? I think

there are people here. I don't know if anybody has any questions why why you're saying that they should be raising their hands icon and no one is.

Okay. So as far as we know, then there's no public input in this whatsoever.

No, not right

now. No. Okay. Mr. Shorten? Did you want to make any comments? No, Mr. Chairman, I think that the evidence is clear with regards with the contingencies and the reason for Okay, any comments board, any board members don't see anyone Raise your hands. Yeah. Okay. Can I have a motion to approve or deny this application?

I'll make that motion. Do I have a second?

Second, Michelle? Yes.

Yes. Okay. Nick.

Okay. Dr. Hill. Well, Mr. Laporte? Yes. Mr. Sitka? Yes. Mr. Harvey? Yes. Mr. fabula.

Mr. brambilla. You're on mute.

Yes.

Mr. lassic? Yes, Councilman Rockwell? Yes. Miss Richardson? Yes. Chairman quaglia.

Yes, application approved. Thank you, Mr. Salerno and Mr. Petri.

Gentlemen.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Goodness.

Okay, let's just take two minutes. Right, Nick, is there anything changed on here? And then we'll get to South Jr.

Yeah. Let's just give anybody who was on for anybody who's looking to get off can get off I don't think. Okay, so we're, we're down. Yeah, cool.

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keep going. Then. They're shorter business. application of Bloomfield schaut junior high school urban renewal LLC as applicant and owner from both Burmese preliminary and final, major site plan approval, and any such other relief as may be required from the zoning ordinance of the township of blofield. To convert the vacant building into 122 residential units, and art studio space, gallery space, amenity space and space to be utilized for soar, performing slaves, visual arts and community events and redevelopment zone, our premises known as Matt 14, block 335, lunch 2630 and 72 gear 75, better known as 177. Franklin. I,

john, I just want to ask a quick question before we start. Are there any members here that weren't here for the last time this application last month's agenda because I don't remember off the top of my head and I didn't write it down.

Everybody's here. Okay. That's okay. We're good to go.

Yeah. Okay. Miss john, please.

Thank you. For the record Lisa john Bosco with the law firm kaysa Shahinian and Janssen mozzie. The last time we were here before the board, we had begun our application. Just for the board's recollection. Our civil engineer great. Elko had presented his full of firming testimony. We also reviewed Mr. Murphy's letter and agreed to satisfy all his comments within that review letter. So tonight, I guess if you would like to start by opening up the questions to Mr. Elko from from board members and the public we also have just for the record, we have the architects will be testifying in a professional planner as to the variances as well to come

Okay, fine. Are there any questions for Mr. Elko? His testimony from last month?

Under the law across the list as I see it, okay, Mr. zipkin? No,

Miss Richardson and

Yes or No,

none. She said no.

Okay. Dr. Hill and

No. counseling. No. There's still as you know, Mr. Stern, yeah. Mr. Ford. And Mr. Harvey? No, no questions at this time. Did I hit everybody? I think I got everyone.

Did I have to make just one more one more statement? Um, Dr. Hill, you were not here for the August meeting. Oh, no. So you will not vote on this application, Mr. Stern, well, but you can still stay on and ask questions. So thank you. You're welcome.

Okay. Are we open to the public Nick?

We are

in Are there any can they hear me or do you

know they can hear you

or any questions from the In the audience,

I have somebody, I have somebody raising their hands.

Alright, identify yourself.

I guess it's me. It's your fingers. Oh,

yes. What

162 Newark Avenue 62 nor game and you correct. Right. Okay. And what and your question for Mr. Now, it's only regarding his test. Did you hear the testimony last month? Yes. Okay, so you can only use questions regarding his testimony. There'll be time for comments later on. Okay.

It's a little hard to tell from the drawing that you presented last week. Is there is there separation between the upper parking lot in the lower meaning different elevations? Notice, can you Will you still be able to drive through from Franklin Street and Park Avenue?

Again, this is Greg Elko. The answer is

Mike

You're still under oath. Michelle. Okay, fine. All right. So you will not be able to drive through, there is a change in elevation from what I'll call the lower parking lot along Newark Avenue to the upper parking lot, which ultimately is by the school and faces, Franklin, that vertical change in about eight feet or so. But you would not be able to drive through the site. Okay, so people in the upper lot will have to exit on Franklin and vice versa. That's correct.

What are the plans? Obviously, my agenda. Living right behind this school is one a parking and traffic. I mean, I mean, how many parking spaces are down below.

There are I'll tell you in a second.

I'm sorry Manning them up your phone plan so bear with me.

I said there's 77 parking spaces in the lower parking lot 77 How

is there any methodology

to how these are going to be assigned? Or the people in you know, say the studio apartments could have parked down below. How's that kind of work, you know? Well, there's no assign spaces for the lot. The minute methodology for the number of parking was based on the redevelopment plan which was 1.4 spaces per unit. So, and you know, the further that methodology, essentially it's one space allocated to each unit and then the four remaining space per year that is really more for any events that would be held community events in the space. is one, one space per unit. How many studios are there going to be? There's all studio apartments 122 studio apartments. Oh, I thought some of them were for larger. They are all studio studio apartment.

Okay, um,

when construction starts, if it starts, how many people can be working on the project?

How many workers that I can't answer

Well, the related question is Where are they going to park?

Yeah, presumably they would either park on site or they would live nearby and walk through the site or get to the site by mass transit, there's a number of different options that

they would have.

I don't know the number of people that would work at the facility.

I mean, is it going to be

25? Is it going to be 50? Is it going to be 100? Seems like project this size is going to need a lot of people working there. I'm concerned that you know if there, I mean, right now there's a half a dozen dump trucks parked in their lower lot.

It's bizarre, there's going to be large construction equipment in there, which says to me, people are going to be parking on North Avenue. And I know last week, or last month, you you know, you refer

I don't know that.

I don't remember the exact term you use, but you kind of alluded to plenty of parking on New York Avenue. And that's absolutely not the case. So I don't even have, I don't have a garage, and I don't even have a driveway. And my concern is driving around looking for some art, because what little parking there is left on York Avenue is taken up by construction workers during the construction period. And, and residents who, you know, get bottlenecked trying to get out of there going to work in the morning and would rather Park out on the street.

If I can address your question. Hopefully it helps us through the construction aspect of it. This applicant has entered into a redevelopment agreement with a municipality and among its obligations with respect to the redevelopment agreement is that it will would not follow this cause nuisances within the area related to the construction of the parking. So in that event, You do experience and if there's no way of knowing right now how many construction persons will be coming to the site and driving the vehicle at this point in time in the application, but in the event that you do experience some issues related to the construction activities, you have every right to call the municipality and they can enforce the redevelopment agreements to make sure that those nuisances are baited.

Well, yeah, but the reality is, what's the remedy today? I mean, once this project is underway, nobody's gonna put a stop to it.

Yeah, just guess the question, man. Just Just question Michael Rubin. Here. I'm getting the impression that Mr. pigmentosa believes that there will be people living there during construction.

Is that Mr. Patel?

No, not at all. Okay, so,

I mean, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't sufficient area on

that site for construction vehicles, then the number of workers that will be going both on the upper level and the lower level is going to know is no Vehicles there for residents?

Well, that's certainly one assumption.

Until Mr. pignatelli, this is the chairman. They are only going to be there during the day during working hours. It's not a 24 hour operation, if I'm correct in assuming that Mr. Alko, right, not gonna be a 24 hour. So you're gonna have that eight to five or eight to four night shift seven to five. So it's only going to be during the working hours, of course, the penny, most people are gone to work by that time. So then again, as Miss john said, they are obligated to perform that whatever operations they have to do within the restrictions of the redevelopment agreement that they made.

I mean, you know, you can say the same thing about what people are working there to

learn. Okay, I believe Mr. tonko answering your question. Do you have any other questions regarding this apple about this test? I guess not. Okay, thank you, sir. Mr. BALCO real quick. This is the chairman look wildly. I failed to mention. You did touch on the garbage removal in your testimony last month. Could you go over that one more time and just for the voyage of knowledge, how this will be done in a smooth and orderly fashion? Yes. And I want to underscore the applicant's willingness to be flexible here, with working with the township with whatever plan comes is derived that best way that the plans are presented right now. trashes collected within the buildings and then brought out by the building management to a point outside within the courtyard area of the building at which point it would be picked up. Now the method of pickup can vary We're working with the town through. I've had some discussions with Mr. Anthony maroochy about this who's been talking to the town on the different options that we can have. One option is to bring it out to the curb, but in a coordinated fashion, so that doesn't sit out at the curb. It's done when the trash truck is coming, so that it will not be out by the curb for a long period of time. It'll be coordinated in a fashion that you know it will be brought to the curb picked up and not remain outside for any period of time. That's one option. That seems to be something that is doable. Another option is that, you know, a smaller truck that the town would would either have a purchase, we come onto the site and be able to navigate the site to pick up the trash at that on site location. That's another option as well. And then there are other options I've been talking with Mr. maroochy about just rebooting you know town's trash pickup truck etc but it's flexible we can work with the town in a variety of different ways the applicant is very willing to provide whatever coordination is necessary to facilitate that and make sure that there's no issue with trash pickup when the compact it and will be at the central location correct. There'll be a contactor inside the building. That way it'll be compacted before it gets taken out of the building. Okay, great. That's what I wanted to know. Mr. Last year. Are you comfortable with that? Well, I'm comfortable with with with the fact that we're gonna work towards an agreement on that or an arrangement thing a little shaky about is bringing it to the curb because the only reason for that is trash collection is done by a private Carter and they try their best to stay on schedule. But you know, things can happen. A truck can break down the weather could be bad, it could be an access issue. If it's brought out to the curb thinking they're going to come at a certain hour, and they don't show up, that would be more problematic than if they had an area on site where they can store it. And then the collection company can either through a smaller vehicle or some other arrangement, pick it up on site so that it's not sitting at the curb, under any of those types of conditions. So again, they are willing the applicants willing to work with you and Mr. maroochy. And that pretty much should answer all the questions we have here with you, as far as that's concerned that you're comfortable with that part of that testimony.

Yeah,

they're open to your suggestions, basically, what they're saying. Right, I just think that I know the site site. I mean, there's a template that shows the fire truck can access the site, they're pretty large a vehicle. I think they're, I mean, it might not be the perfect scenario, but I just don't see that it's impossible to get a trash truck in there. Pick it up and leave in some fashion we'd have to work that out and understand a lot of times machine of apartments we work with the with our, our Carter to figure out the best way to do with they go out to the site and they examine what they can and can't do. Certainly in this case, I think we could probably do the same thing. I'm just a little concerned about trash being left at the curb for an apartment or a facility like this C and ma so a lot of sense. Mr. maroochy Are you okay with that? Oh, as the oil Golem and Mr. lassic we're just saying

Yeah, like Miss elastic said the goal is not to have the trash at the curb if there's a way that the truck can even back into that receptacle area. If he if he can get in that would be ideal. And like I said the goal is not to have it at the curb. So think that it can be worked Okay, great.

Public Are there any other questions for Mr. Elko?

Somebody has their hand raised, so I'm gonna Yes, yes, Sandy. Sandy gola. You need to unmute yourself Miss cola. We

Okay, just

dandy going 139 Willard Avenue.

Thank you. What's your question? My

question concerns also for Mr. alko. It's in related also relates to the parking area. My question is that when we have these events, so we have so many studio apartments, right, are there any one bedroom or two bedroom apartments at all in the facility?

They're all 120 20 122 units or studios,

okay. So that means that there is like, typically one resident her apartment.

That would be my presumption. Yes.

Is there going to be any like limit to the amount of people allowed to live in a studio apartment?

No, by law you can only limit by fire code.

Okay, so what's the fire code for a studio apartment? How many people could be in there?

This is our civil engineer. He's he's not qualified to answer the question.

Okay, so then I'm asking someone else who knows.

Well, you really early Yes, Mr. Elko questions about his testimony right now?

Oh, okay.

Yeah. Oh, okay. Do you have any other

Yes,

Mr. Elko, please.

Yes, good.

Okay, so so we don't know the answer to that question. But let's say the the, the events that we talked about, so there's going to be people coming for theater events or other events, who's who's managing the events? How is it How do you best go to work? What kind of events are going to be there?

My understanding is that the the events would be cultural events as contemplated in the redevelopment plan. Um, I don't think there's any specific type of events that have been identified at this point in time. They're converting the old theater, the old school theater into basically a community space. So okay.

You think they're going to be daytime events or evening events?

Or both?

Well, actually, who's going? He's the engineer. So he's not the event coordinator.

Yeah, and yet,

in this era,

architects, it might be more appropriate to answer some of the questions related to the programming of the building itself, and can try to answer your questions on that aspect of it. Okay, the next witness. All right, so let me go back to we're talking about the events we're talking about. parking. So let's say we have events and then the people are living in the the unit. And they're all their cars are all parked in there, then the event people come in for like the same evening event. And so we talked about the overflow parking. Do you think that that's going to be enough parking for events and for the people who live there, Mr. Elko, you feel that that's like sufficient for the events?

I do. The redevelopment plan spells it out for you. It says 1.4 spaces per unit and that contemplates events for the community plus one space for each unit. So I do, I do believe that it's adequate.

Okay, because the only reason why I thought maybe you don't know too much about this area, is because last time last month, you said that there was plenty of parking on Newark Avenue and on Franklin so I had to assume you don't really live around here.

I think what I said was there couldn't be parking available on those streets. I don't think I used the word.

There isn't anything and there's nothing on Willard either.

Fine. You have any more questions, Miss Cole?

Not for Mr. Alpha. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, fine,

Nick, anybody else?

No, nobody has her hand raised.

Okay, definitely. Thank you, Michelle.

This is Greg. I do have a few questions.

They should not be. Yes. Okay.

Okay. Um,

well, first, it just as a follow up, since we're on the topic to this goal is question, parking. Perhaps Mr. RUBIN just for the benefit of anyone else. And, you know, the public could explain how that the fact that those 1.4 space was determined by the redevelopment plan, and that's something that I don't believe that we really have much leeway is to to change. Mr. RUBIN is my understanding of that correct.

Oh, certainly can't require them to provide more than 1.4. We could

we have the Authority Board has the authority granted variance from

the 1.4 requirement, but he cannot require them to have more than 1.4.

Right, that answers my question. So this applicant is meeting the requirements, the minimum requirements of the redevelopment plan. And so in this case, with respect any testimony, you know, regarding off street parking, we really cannot take that into account to require them to have more on site parking than what they already have, correct?

Yeah, I mean, the governing body made a determination that this site

function adequately with a 1.4 ratio, we don't have

the right to override that.

All right, thank you. The point I'm trying to make, I'm gonna try and emphasize the fact that the parking ratio was was determined by the township council as part of the redevelopment plan, and that's something that we don't have the latitude to the change in terms of what the minimum parking requirement is

done. I want to I want to also emphasize that the redevelopment plan was paired on behalf of and reviewed by and recommended for adoption by this bar this board. So, you know, we the board had an intimate involvement

with determining that 1.4 was an adequate ratio

as part of the redevelopment plan process

outlined in the local redevelopment and housing law.

All right, thank you. And another follow up question is

that what was the final gist of the Jenna regarding the the garbage removal? Are we going to leave it to the applicant to work with our board First, determine whether it's going to be on site garbage collection or at the curb? Or are we going to condition potentially to prove the application based on one method or another? I apologize if I didn't quite catch that part of the discussion. I just want to see if we can clarify that.

Well, Mr. mobiola, both Mr. Murrow cheese company and Mr. lassic are both that and Mr. elico, for that matter to have the feeling that there can be on site pickup of the garbage. It's just a matter of working out exactly. If and gentlemen, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's a matter of working out exactly how it's going to be done. Whether or not the garbage truck itself can be backed in or pulled in, or a smaller truck will be used to bring the garbage out to the bigger truck, which would that burden would be I believe on the apple to the owners. But again, that will be worked out with Mr. lassic and Mr. Ferrucci, his offices, the whole object And again, correct me if I'm wrong, gentlemen, is that we do not want the garbage put out at the curb. Mr. Michel asik. Am I correct? That is correct. Thank you, sir. Michelle, can you agree with that to that? I assume it Yeah, it sounds clear that you don't want the garbage at the curb. So we'll we'll work with the the township and the township consultants on the test protocol for trash pick up and they're just to understand we may need some flexibility with regard to potentially different methods to see which one works best. Okay, Mr. Raja, your office just correct. is okay with that also, I assume? Yes. Okay. Does that answer your question? Mr. babila?

Yes, it does. Thank you very much. Any other questions?

anybody, any other board members before I there's no more probably any other board members questions for Mr. Elko? No, in our case. Thank you very much, sir. You're welcome, john.

Okay, our next witness is our architect Jerry Gutierrez from group G. LLC.

Okay, Mr. Gutierrez raise your right hand.

I don't see him.

He's there group j group.

There you go. Is the testimony you're about to give the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is, can you state your name and spell your last name for me for the record?

My name is Jerry goodyears. Jerry spelled with a genie with tears is spelled je UTIER. Are you EZ. Thank you, sir.

Thank you carry the

swearing in Nick. I

just did it. Okay.

Jerry, if you could state your educational professional background for the workplace.

Yes, I have a I hold a master of architecture from the University of Oklahoma. with a minor in urban studies out of London. Been a practicing architect for over 30 years. I have licenses at multiple states. Specifically, I'm licensed in New Jersey.

And that license is current.

It is currently.

We're fine with that. What has an expert Miss john? Thank you,

Miss john, you said he's testifying as an architect and a planner? No, just as an architect. Okay. Thank you.

Very you were the prepare the architectural plans that were submitted in advance of tonight's hearing? Yes. Okay. If you could start with the existing conditions of the property and what the facade looks like today, and what the applicant intends to do as far as reuse and rehabilitation of the structure. Yes.

The existing building has been vacant for 35 years, originally designed by the firm started in the late 1930s into the early 40s. It's an excellent example. Have artwork there in the East Coast. It's a four storey brick masonry building. But all of this has been described as described in our part one submission to the New Jersey to National Parks Service as we're applying for certification for the for the billing as a storage structure. But the building despite the almost 35 years of vacancy is actually in a very good stable condition. There's been numerous roof leaks that have been patched up, which has created some problems in sight, but for the most part, the building is intact. There's good bones. The building in fact, I'm going to share my screen. Not sure if I can do that. Nicole

Yeah, we should be able to.

Yes.

Everybody see this?

It'll be you have a little bit of a delay. Give it a second.

There you go.

It's coming up. Coming up.

One second. I just want to check with the last exhibit. Was it the prior hearing in this case?

Yeah, the last exhibit is exhibit a three. So this should be submitted for

great thank, you know,

a for us photos of this area.

These photographs were actually from our collection of Photographs when we first started to do our investigation outside and inside the building so these photographs are approximately six to eight years old. But it does show the condition of the building on the exterior, I'm going to start started at

this is the front yard along Franklin Avenue. To the right, is Franklin Avenue and to the left via yes see a little mass of the auditorium. Again, the predominant material for the building is brick With some banding that's noted in the history certification is unique to this style of building. And you can go back, there are numerous courtyards that presents itself all along the perimeter of the site and the building. And those courtyards. One of the particular characteristics of the design is that it is very honest. And when I say very honest, the programmatic elements of the school is honestly presented and articulated, and show it shows itself in the massing of the building. For example, if you see several of these elements, and I'll point them out to you. This is the West courtyard, which is off the entry driveway from Franklin. And you'll see here, this this vertical element that also has a rounded corner is a stairway so it reads as its own mass. This is just an example. And you saw another example of the auditorium. So it really presents itself as an honest building that reads very easily from the outside. By articulating those programmatic elements all along the side, it creates these courtyards. All along the side, we have the West courtyard, which you just saw that we have the hill. I'll show you the East courtyard

here and as you're showing the pictures, so that so the intent of Adkins doing here is we're preserving the historical integrity of the building itself, is that correct?

We are preserving and restoring the existing historic building, right, the work that we'll be doing will be to repair make various brick repairs grouting pointing will be restoring any stone cats will be replacing the windows that are there now, new rooms all various repair and stabilization that's common to these types of

projects.

Right so it's perfect. So we're going to restore the existing building to what we believe with the historic nature of it and repairing all the necessary repairs to make it a livable habitable building. Are we doing any additions to the building itself?

We are proposing three additions. And I wanted to add that all work that we're doing, including designing construction, will meet the New Jersey State Historic Preservation Office as well. was the Secretary of Interior standards for reapplication? To answer your question, Yes, we are. We are. I'm sorry, Lisa. You're Yeah.

Yeah, sure. So the question was, are we doing any additions to the existing building?

So let me let me go to that slide.

As you're pulling up the slide, as we're describing the additions, would you please also touch on the redevelopment plan requirements related to setbacks for the additions and if we are complying with those setback requirements, and in those instances where we're not the reasons why you believe We we are not or why we cannot.

I just want to remind or remind the applicant that

again, this all hard

copies full size hard copies need to be submitted

before the

well, we could take the 11 by 17 Okay.

Oh yeah. You said Yeah. Okay. I don't mean to. I'm not good.

That's okay. Nice.

These fit nipple. These should have been already delivered to me way in advance of tonight's hearing they were Okay good.

paper that way.

The proposed design proposes three additions and I'm showing you just a massing model that shows you the existing building which is in white or light gray.

Not sorry, we don't see that Like

I think we're still stuck on the previous screen that I showed.

We are gonna

switch back to that one. That

it's coming. Give it a second you haven't you still have a little bit of a delay. There it is. Okay.

Yep, perfect.

This is an aerial view of the entire building and a little bit of this site.

So we're gonna say five.

Like, okay,

I think is part of the actual submission, but let's just mark it again. Okay. Go ahead.

So you've seen the building, if you were, let's just say floating up in the air above Franklin Avenue, and facing the front of the building. You have the auditorium on the right and you have the front the main entrance over here. And then if you can see my cursor, but we have we're proposing three additions, we have an addition right behind the mass of the auditorium colored in green. And then we have an addition at the fifth floor level. It's a new fifth floor level, which is in color yellow. And then we have a fourth floor addition, which is colored purple. Just want to give you a basic orientation of where these additions are located. And I'm going to go to the floor plans to present to you the additions and the setbacks as required and how we are meeting them or not meeting them will be yours to

use. Could you just tell me what

more the read edition behind the auditorium is? He said the the yellow is the fifth floor. The green is the fourth floor. What floor is the Green,

green, purple is for for

what is the green, green? Is that a third floor dish? Thank you.

So I'm going to switch to the actual floor plans that will show us these additions with the setback dimensions

take time.

Let us for the The lag in presenting these plans

Oh Bravo. Right.

We're gonna start at edition A.

So, the, this addition will will provide a one story addition In a top a an existing two story, which is just north of the auditorium

that was the green, the green edition on your previous

that's great. I apologize that we didn't get our color coordinated. Okay. So we had no setback issues here. We're allowed to zero setback as per the redevelopment plan.

We have no deck amenities.

Might you want to mark this as a cyst I guess

that's what is what is the purpose of addition in

addition a contains two studio units.

So you'll see one over here

which is the easternmost unit, and then another one accessible off of a court or extension. So the big open space next there is the auditorium. correct? That's correct. Okay, thank you.

Go now to the fourth floor.

Okay, so a six was colored sheet a 103 showing edition A.

So fourth floor,

you can mark as a seven sheet 104 that's colored selling edition. See, I believe, is that correct, sir?

That's correct. Okay, it's just a purple edition. You're crazy. vs exhibit. That's correct. This was the purple from the aerial view.

And the addition a was what color

green. Thank you.

Now just to discern so that we can orient ourselves. This is the addition that overlooks the new repair of a new parking lot, correct? That's correct. It faces north. Okay, just general orientation in terms of the notes that you'll see here. The the notes in blue, highlighted in blue, indicate conforming setbacks. The notes in yellow indicate setbacks, where we are requiring

relief. So I was just thinking through those

Yeah, if you could just focus on the areas where we need really.

So as you can see here, the existing building on this floor at this slide. So we're proposing to extend the central corridor northward and adding on our addition, one of the things we're we're doing here is to articulate the proposed addition and we're doing that by setting it back off the face of the existing building. The existing building space is already non complying with the setback requirements. We are proposing that for this space as well as this space that you Though the courtyard the requirement is for a 10 foot setback off of this line, because we're at a courtyard and be able to achieve their cues, our setback is that eight foot 10 and a half inches that is a proposed setback.

And required is 10 a 10 foot step back, is that correct? That's correct. Okay. And he explained the reason why we're requesting that deviation.

This too, I'll, if you can see, the corner of the existing building is located along an eight foot face. We're wanting to design and articulate the new building addition relative to the existing face. We know that we can never match the face of the existing building. So we're always trying to provide Difference of visual difference between the existing face and the new face.

And if that's because of the historic guidelines as far as rehabilitation of an historic building,

as correct. One of the other reasons that we're setting it back that much is there is an existing

structure or roof

structure here that we're proposing to keep. And it keeps us basically at the same line where we're showing the addition. We're trying to minimize the amount of demolition of the building. And that's part of our strategy here.

If you can move to the other area where where we

have seen,

Majesty is no question Michael moving. So So if I'm reading this correctly,

existing portion of the fourth floor the setback

of that

portion on the floor, For on both sides is less than what you're proposing with the fourth floor addition, correct?

That's correct.

And can you just give me those comparative numbers on each side of

of the, you know, of the fourth floor?

facts on each side of existing versus proposed?

I guess it's east and west, correct? That's correct. Okay. I think I can read that to you here. The existing building at this level has an eight foot step back, and this is on which side this is on the east side. Okay. So the existing will building a setback eight feet. We're proposing to set back our building eight foot 10 and a half inches.

Okay, we're about the west side.

Believe that is the same thing, but I will

zoom in on that area.

Yeah, it's the same thing.

Okay, thank you. Sure.

Okay, and there's one more, I guess, deviation that we're requesting related to exhibit. I'm sorry, efficiency.

They're similar. Okay.

This actually the West face of the northern portion of the edition. This is Exhibit A.

This is the same drawing.

Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Yeah.

So exhibit a seven.

All right, because there's such a lag with the computer maybe it's better if you keep it at a water zoom and just point your cursor to the area that you're referencing and I can read to you what those

dimensions are.

Okay, great. Thank you. Okay.

This is a similar to the south side. We have a 10 foot setback requirement on this edge. We are proposing a nine foot setback.

Then I'm going to

and then on the west side, I believe is the other area that

right so the Westside is on the opposite side of what's being shown on the screen today. And I believe that in that area, a 10 foot setback is required. And and we're proposing

I'm sorry, is that a 16 foot

setback and we're proposing a 1414. Okay.

And the reasons for these setbacks with, as we stated previously, and I think which we'll go through, the majority of your testimony really relates to what we were saying before in all cases, related to rehabilitation real rehabilitating historic structure. Because of the historic guidelines, this Oracle regulations request that there's a differentiation between the old historical building and the new additions, is that correct?

That is correct. And it's also partly to extend the original design intent of the architecture or they were being honest and the way that they presented the program of the building and we want to do the same thing as well. We want to honor the the design intent that we that was started way back then and we feel that that this is something that is an important part of extending the history of the building.

Okay, if we can move to just then B which is the left position

should be coming up on your screen. I think we can mark that as a eight and that's she a 105 comfort, showing edition. Be

We have

a zoom in, we really have one variance that nobody here but we have recent conversations that point to another

setback

variance.

Zooming notice,

this is on the western edge of this edition.

On this side, the setback requirement is 16 feet.

We are needing it

only on this edge, we was our interpretation that this would be the building line. And so we meet the setback requirement at this portion of the building. However, because of the geometry and articulation of the existing building, we are Only meeting if this portion were 12 feet over here yet. We're 16 feet here. Okay.

The other area that

we're also

has been noted that is that the redevelopment plan requires a 20 foot setback from Franklin. But in the same, the same set of setback requirements. They also say that we are required to provide a 10 foot setback if our addition faces a courtyard. So our interpretation is this part of the building, which is bounded on three sides by building is a courtyard And so we feel that we're meeting the spirit of the requirement for setback we're providing 17 foot four as a setback off of this building line. More than enough to meet the 10 foot requirement for courtyard facing edition. Yeah, a little OBE a little bit less than the requirement to meet the Franklin setback.

Okay, great. And so so you have now identified all the setbacks variances that are required to correct

those are all the setback requirements,

okay. And then I think we can try to do this without showing your screen but unless you know, one of the board members or public wants to want you to address it specifically, but if you can just talk about briefly the interior of the building and, and what you're proposing as far as you know, typical room sizes and any amenities within the building as well as the Community state and its programming.

Yeah Are our design intent is to maintain as much of the integrity of the existing interior spaces to that and we are rehabilitating all the the auditorium spaces. Were trying to promote the use of the auditorium as a place to hold special art and cultural events. Of particular pride is that and we talked about this amongst the design and development team. We are keeping the, the width of the existing hallways of the school intact in its full 1212 and a half feet width, which is it's a luxury, but we found that it was a very important feature for the building. We we saw it as what we call a street or front porch Where we saw it as a public space that could promote and foster community amongst the the tenants and the business people, slash tents. We are reusing or adaptively reusing the existing cafeteria and gymnasium elements. Those are both tall volumes if we're using them to hold what we call split level studio units. And then for the most part, we're introducing new amenities. In addition to cold required amenities. We're introducing two elevators, one at the north, one at the South. All all the building improvements inside will meet your accessibility and parent building codes and new building systems. There'll be a fitness center there's going to be a maintenace facility for on site. handyman. We mentioned the Trash Room with its own trash compactor.

Please accessibility, that's definitely a unit there's going to be somebody typically living within the building to take care of the maintenance for the building. Is that correct?

Yes, we designed in what we call a unit specifically to has an on site maintenance person. And

so as far as there was a question from the public, previously, that community space that we talked about, what's your discussion with the applicant and the developer of the site? What are they envisioning for that community space and issues

is somewhat some of the uses that we discussed includes guest speaking events,

and hold small crafts, arts and crafts

expeditions.

We envision we envision really a community of atoms that will also come from a creative background. We call these artisans. They make jewelry. They could be digital scientists, web designers, sort of small entrepreneurs. So that the auditorium can hold sort of bears or exhibits, either paintings or small three dimensional pieces of art. There could be small live lectures or little workshops, papermaking or things like that. The auditorium is immediately accessible off of Franklin Avenue, as well as off the main entrance. We see this as a very vibrant space that's available for the tenants and, in some cases, available for local events community

And, as stated previously by Greg, can you just also reaffirm that all the residential units within the buildings are going to be studio units are no one bedroom, two bedroom or three bedroom?

That's correct. They're all open plan studio.

Great. Thank you. I have no further questions.

Order there any questions for Mr. Gutierrez?

I have a quick question for Mr. Ford. Yeah, in terms of the events that are going to be sponsored at a time and whatnot, is there somebody at the building on site or or it would be managing that?

There, there is going to be a property management office. We have a leasing office, and then we have a property management office, which is located on the north side of the building.

Okay. So it's gonna be handled on site. In other words, that's correct. My other thing was, and this might even be for Michael so on the left two exhibits, Michael, I think they were both identified as addition see,

on the paperwork itself.

Well, eight, eight was addition B, a seven was addition C and a six was addition to a

nine step but on the print on the planet. Oh, okay. I think they both the list to see if I'm not mistaken. Just not

that I got confused.

To be honest with you. Yeah.

So a seven is efficiency and eight is efficiency. Okay.

I'm easily confused.

Alright, when when we're done, Councilman Rockwell also has a question. I'm all set.

Okay, this counts from

a lot of questions. I like them. Back up. I think because of the way the split up over a couple days I'm a little confused on a couple things. I don't think know if the fees are directly directly to the architect, maybe Miss john basta can answer them where these plans have been approved a few years ago.

There was I was not involved in it, but there was a development application previously for this site that was approved. But since that time the zoning has changed, the municipality has made the property an area need to redevelopment and adopted a redevelopment plan. So there's entirely new zoning from when this was approved at some point in the past.

So are these completely different plans or are they the same plans? Are there some changes?

Well, I haven't personally compared them I we had to submit for a brand new site plan application because there's new zoning, but my understanding is that there there have been some changes from from the prior approvals.

This is a new project

intercede for a second here.

We took a five minute break and get a definitive answer to this.

But my recollection is that within approval, at least one

approval, maybe more than one approval with respect to this. I'm suing to the redevelopment plan. And there have been subsequent changes.

No, not under this plan, because I've been involved in the process from from the inception of the redevelopment and this is the first site plan that we've submitted. So if this redevelopment plan has been adopted,

accept that my memory like the plan was approved years ago. Actually, I was chairing the board at that time also as best as it was evolve also. And if for some reason it just went by the wayside. This plan is very similar, with the exception of the rooftop additions and as they just pointed out, but it was a very similar idea

of

using the classrooms etc. And, and the town of East Bethel that was very similar it was worked out. At that time I met effect that's a long ago was I think Anthony maroochy was the township engineer at that time and I'm just gonna lassic so well, it's been around for quite a while. So, it was a while ago, but anyway, some expansion. So this is a brand new application. Okay. Yeah. Who is the owner of some of these documents say, urban smart growth and some say blue pill sell Junior High urban redevelopment, this? Is this the same company or with a different name or a different company?

So I can explain that to some of the documents that say they do not have the urban renewal. There was a south south Junior High High School, I don't know if it was LLC or what have you, but when we got destiny to redevelop, pilot a tax abatement and you have to you have to own the property in the name of an urban renewal and today, so, South junior high school urban renewal, LLC is the current owner applicant and redevelopment of the property.

It's just the change in name of rent. Okay. Okay, now I'm going to move on to my questions for

the architect.

When you're talking about the setback requirements, where the setback requirements come from, we're used to dealing with like side yard front yard setbacks, but you're talking about setbacks from the edge of the third or fourth floor of the building.

Where did the Where did the stuff that you're talking about requirements, what are those requirements come from?

What's the directive? The architect?

Yeah, I don't know if he's frozen, but I can tell you that they're in the redevelopment plan. There's an impulse step, back, not step back, step and see buildings.

These are essentially penthouses with patios and decks in front of them, right?

That's correct.

Do you have any renderings that show what they look like from? I'm wondering what materials because you're, you're talking about the maintaining the historic character of the building, and the brick and the special brickwork, especially the addition that's going to be flush with the face of the building. It's not one of the steps. What materials are you proposing for those additions.

And we're, we're still developing the material palette, but we are proposing to stay in the same compatible palette of exterior materials. We're going to be using brick, we're going to be using metal windows, which is basically the same as the existing windows that were originally put in will have cast on caffeine and copings. So very much and in the same family of materials as the original building,

okay not about the windows, they are you keeping the original windows in repairing or replacing them,

we are replacing them. In fact, a lot of the existing window openings as you'll see on the the pictures that they've been boarded up with plywood. Some of them still have the original metal casements. But for the most part because we have to meet the energy code, we have to put in new insulated windows for the building.

And they're going to look just like the original windows. That's correct. What material will be on the exterior?

That'd be aluminum.

Okay, um, what you mentioned applying for

The National Register of Historic Places, what's the status of your application? Or art? It was that is in progress.

As I understand it, we have a historic preservation consultant. And we have already submitted our part one, which is the first step towards the certification process.

Okay, and are you expecting to get tax credits for this for being a storage site?

I believe that's a consideration for for a client and developer.

There are some, I don't know, off the top of my head was whether the light lighting was was in one of these plans, but are you preserving the light in historic light fixtures that are on the property or recreating them?

Yeah, I think at this point we haven't really developed the full lighting design but I can certainly say that the fixtures that present themselves along Franklin Avenue, we intend to either refurbish existing fixtures relamping rewiring or we have various sources that will

provide replicas of the existing lights.

Okay, right. There are several on the property that dragon agents have left it on the, on the fence on the north street side. There's an insignia in the gate. That's I assume it's wrought iron. That's says BJ RHS and there's an figure above it. All right, are you going to incorporate that into either the fence or incorporated into the building in some way.

And that the building is such a rich, historic tro of what we call inspirational moments we want to preserve. And hopefully we can draw inspiration from those types of elements and bring it inside and let it sort of activate the design as we, as we develop it. They're very I don't know, if you notice, but there are various bar relief elements that are on the building. It's actually really exciting for us to see if we can take that inside. Oh,

there's some some fence posts that are

significant also. Are you planning to preserve those?

Yeah, we definitely. In general, we, we want to an intent to preserve those elements along Franklin Avenue especially the heavy iron Anything that you see there as well as the game elements?

Well, the the significant game I'm referring to and the fence posts are on New York Avenue, but that which I believe that fence is going to be either removed or moved. I don't know if you're planning to move it or remove it and replace it. But there is a significant couple of significant historical elements to the fence on the workout.

Yeah, I have not myself, look at the condition of that fence. But I think if it's something that can be relocated or repurpose, we would want to do that.

Okay, thank you. That's all my questions next. You know, the questions board. Mr.

I just got another quick question. Oh, yeah. How much of the Historical Commission is going to dictate what facade and what elements of the building to save her Are are like the galaxy was saying the fence and the bat how they have a big say in terms of what you have to say and what not what you're not going to save in the end the materials that are to reuse them, for example, the Xperia development.

We, in conversation preliminary conversations with our historic consultant prior to their submission to the parliaments submission to the national president of national preservations.

Sorry, MPs.

We propose and they agree that we had to comply with the standards which means that we had to match, refurbish rehabilitate existing building as it was originally designed, or at least be and stay in the same visual character building. That goes the same for the proposed additions. We're proposing additions that will in harmony compatible with the Whitney my visual character of the original historic building. In fact, one of the other things that we're very particularly sensitive to is that we are required by historic agency conditions need to be set back from the original faces of the building such that they're not visible to, from the public right of way. So we have developed sideline studies that show that However, with historic properties, we often have to go up on the rooftops and really test that.

We are just interested at that point because there was something that was stated in a question by Councilman rock well, that confused me. I feel john is easily confused. He indicated one of the The additions will be flush with an existing building wall.

Is that accurate? And if so, where is that? And it's actually even though the the the plan, the redevelopment plan does not require setback, we're actually setting back the addition off of the face of the building approximately six to eight inches. So you

can see that's a different a

dictionary. Okay, great.

That's in the rear.

That's on the north side of the auditorium.

Okay,

gotcha, gotcha.

Six inches, six to eight inches.

Thank you for your question answered.

Yeah, was

anything else? Any other questions? Yeah, just just going back to the lighting. Prior. At some point, we're going to need to see a lighting plan that shows You know, the light intensities along because we got to make sure that we don't get spillage either onto public roadways or adjacent properties. I don't know if that was in the package the original submission, but at some point, we're going to need to see that and approve it based upon whatever lighting you're proposing.

Yes. And that was and I think Greg can speak to this, but that that wasn't the site plan package and sheet submissions. I know. Mr. Murphy had a question regarding the shielding. Greg spoke with him about that and

Mr. Murphy was

was satisfied with the comments that's

going on are because they're a little confused because the lights didn't have been chosen for this because we were talking about refurbishing and and possibly simulating it. I don't know if that's what's reflected on the site plan.

Let me Greg, if you can speak to that. I know that we do have a lighting plan. It's labeled Ll one. Oh, One o'clock I guess.

Yeah, the same lighting plan was prepared assuming that most of the the site lights on the property were not reusable. I we do need to incorporate the building a lighting around the building that Mr. Terrorist talked about into that plan, which I believe is going to be a condition but the lighting is what we chose was a I'll call it a historical looking light fixture. You know, certainly we have improved equal statement on the plan that we can you know, supplement it for another light at the town would like to do that. But we felt it fits within the historical nature of the of the plan, and at the same time meets the ordinance requirements for illumination levels of within the property and along the perimeter of the property. I did Mr. Murphy did have one comment about the recessed nature of light. He recommended shielding. I explained to him that the light poles would the light fixtures themselves would be recessed within the housing of the light and not spillover into the building. And he was satisfied with that comment. Okay, well, I would just suggest if we can get to the point and there's an approval granted on this, that there be a condition that we get a final site lighting plan with all those details, so we understand what's being put up and that it operates the way it's posted.

We have no issue with that.

All right. No, other than we do assume that easily that the apple can work with Mr. lassic and Mr. Ruchi, as far as elating is concerned and abide by whatever they deem necessary. What the reason of course, yes,

absolutely. Thank you

Mr. Stern. Right.

So, two quick questions. One,

I forgive me if I missed this electronic vehicle charging stations will they be located on the premises anywhere for anybody who has a car that is electronic?

It is something we're considering. And we're very open to that.

I'd like to see it more than a consideration. I'd like to see the part of the plan. I think it doesn't make sense, in my opinion, as we move forward any new developments, especially when you're dealing with folks who are in the artists worlds who are very particular on matters, especially as it relates to sustainability and resiliency, it's appropriate that if we're going to be establishing a sort of center for folks who are involved in that industry and care a lot about the product they put out there. I'm going to imagine that they would be a little taken back if there were electronic charging stations for cars. I think it's appropriate. I think it's necessary. I think it sets a tone that the town is looking to achieve which is that We are moving forward on on what we consider to be a necessary sustainability effort, which will lead me into my next question.

First, let me let me be clear about this. It is nothing in the redevelopment plan that requires charging stations we can impose it.

So

Second of all, if there aren't going to be charging station that might affect the parking ratio, because where else are they going to put them other than the take parking spaces. So we can't just we can't just throw stuff like this around and say I want charging spaces on site because it changes the site plan.

I understand that my my my point is, please make it very considerate, see what can be done. I'm sure that it can be somehow worked at it possible.

And to just address that. This has been spoken about without can and they are intending on putting in charging stations. We don't know the number yet but they are an art centric development community and They're looking to promote that so that that is something that is going to be considered

Well, you're gonna have to come back for amended site plan approval if you incorporate charging stations into the

site. Well if

it's a parking it's still a parking space and and you know, it'll it'll dictate I guess by the tenants and how much the tennis one as well.

Yeah, but but I mean the part you can't just allow someone to park in a charging station for 24 or 48 hours. You know, for over a long weekend people gonna have to move in and out of those charging stations so other people can use their additional parking space if they can't be if we're

going to count as an additional parking space and I'll have to say no because we we had the site max as a capacity as far as like site smart

care a charging station is important space because you can't send it in for you know, a three day weekend. You can't just leave a car there.

In any way I don't I'm not against charging stations, but you have to look at from a practical point of view and what the site plan is at this point to prove it. Okay.

For this application or not the present charging station.

It said, given in the question, Mr. Stern and chicken, you said you had another question.

It didn't lead me to my second question. Were there any considerations given to add solar panels for the property?

Yes, we, we were we are still considering solar panels. I think others sustainability aspects of the project that are we're still in the process of developing the project. Besides solar panels. We're obviously looking at local sources of products and materials. We will have bicycle parking will have a fitness facility that can accommodate shower facilities as well. So that's all part of our bag of considerations.

Thank you. Any other questions?

Councilman Rockwell has his hand up on the orange.

Yes. Back to the lighting. It seems like the architect was saying, we're going to preserve the the existing historic light fixtures, or we create them. And the engineer said there's new lighting fixtures going which are both correct. Yeah, this is great bill, they'll be both. We need to add lighting to meet the ordinance requirements for the new parking spaces. I would say where the existing light poles are feasible to remain then and they're able to be reused in the place that they exist that will accommodate that in the plan. Okay with the appropriate shielding or so But they're not if we can do that. Absolutely, yeah. But we, you know, we're held by the ordinance requirements for illumination level. So a lot of the areas on site need new lighting.

Okay.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

Mr. dingy? Do you have any questions?

No, I do not at this time. And the other questions board members. I think

somebody has a question.

I mean, I give them a quick clarification.

If it was discussed and possible, they're going to put in these charging station parking spaces. Does that mean if they if the owner decides to do it, they need to come before the board again, to get a parking batteries. I think

that's going to be dependent on how they're laid out in a judgement by just the maroochy office and the zoning officer. But it seems to me that I mean, I you know, I don't we don't have any ordinance provisions, and there's nothing The redevelopment plan that talks about

whether charging stations will be used as parking spaces. But,

you know, I mean, I, you know, they'll have to have testimony

as to what provide some evidence as to the impact of that on the parking

requirements of the redevelopment plan.

Well, that's why are they going to do it? It would have been great to show it so we can talk about and see if it makes sense. So up to Mr. Murphy's office and, and zoning officer. Okay.

Yeah, just wanted as I just wanted to get clarification. So,

in my mind, I have a question for you, gentlemen. If the applicant does come up with some sort of plan for these charging stations, of course, I will just share with you Mr. Isaac, so they still have to come back to us, or can this be done? Can we approve this tonight on a contingency basis?

I think it's going to depend on on how they how they convert what existing parkings spaces two charging stations and what the impact is on how long people are going to be able to park in those spaces. I mean, they're 1.4, which is more than one one, there are some extra spaces which under the ground plan will be allocated to advanced spaces. What does that mean? If there's an event space, you know, it would take an event spaces, and then there's recharging stations and their three residence charging when there's an event going on, how would that be handled? All of those kinds of things have to be

being evaluated to determine whether or not they in fact are reducing the ratio

from the required 1.4 as a result of these

bargains days. And we just we need to be dialogue between you know, the administrative staff and and Lisa's people and they would come up with a determination as to whether or not the concerns with companies

require them to come back with four.

So that would be more or less up to Mr. maroochy, Mr. elastic, then if they agree that this works, they won't have to come in front of the board. Yeah, as long as they're satisfied that they're not losing spaces that that changes the ratio from one to four, which they are

at. If they go below it, they need a merit.

Okay. So we be living up to their discretion. That's correct. Okay, fine.

Who's asking a question? Anybody else?

If you see anybody can't see now, I don't

see anybody's hands raised.

Questions. Yeah. No. Okay. Is there anyone from the public today admit

there are but nobody has their hand raised for question.

No question from the public now. They can all hear me right now.

Yes.

Okay. Thank you, Mr. Parrish. Wait, you have somebody

say somebody just put their hand up. Everybody's got to help me out here. If you have a question we need to know before. We're Ready to close the questioning?

Show? It's the junk.

That's before

you. Yes. Okay. Your question only? No, sir, please. I'm assuming there's a certain amount of required handicap parking spaces.

I'll answer is Greg Elko? Yes, we were. We have seven handicap parking spaces on the site, which is with the ordinance and the

ABA code.

And is that included in the 1.4

requirement?

So even if nobody's using them, yes. And so so nobody's using six of them. That means there, there are six unoccupied spaces, and potentially six people looking for parking spaces. That would assume that all the parking spaces Fill

in this I this is Greg, can you hear me? Yes. Okay. I was I was trying to get a word in edgewise and I was having some audio problems. Before Mr.

leaves. I just wanted to ask him a question.

Okay, my name is Greg.

I'm sorry. Repeat that. Alan Luna yours.

Yes. Mr. Gutierrez. He's still here. Yeah. Great.

So Mr. Gutierrez. So at the beginning of your presentation you mentioned how the the brickwork on the building reflected the art Mark turnstile. And you mentioned the banding with the wide flocks and I believe the the pattern within the the banding is something referred to as as a monk bond or maybe a monk spawn. It's a particular pattern, you know, there's different types of patterns that are called bonds. And he's also mentioned with respect to the to the penthouse additions, that the historical rehabilitation guidelines If I understand you correctly call for the additions to compatible but not necessarily identical to the building because they want to be set apart somewhat to reflect the fact that they will not part of the original design. And you mentioned that you're still your team is still working on the final selection of materials and design and all that. So I just wondering with all that in mind, are you contemplating reproducing the existing brickwork design with a monk bond and the white banding or with the brickwork, the additions be something slightly different but reflective of that style? Could you perhaps just talk a little, a little bit about that? Yes,

thanks very much for bringing up the milestone. It's a very unique bond pattern. But I can say that as much as we would love to follow in the footsteps of monks bond. We are going to Be in the spirit of the original historic building will we'll be playing with a difference in bond pattern but it won't be as complex as the most fun pattern.

Okay, thank you. And now just real quick with regard to discussion of the charging stations effectiveness offer a quick thought on that. My understanding what the What's with this particular diploma was, was that an individual that

could be themselves.

You might want to repeat that you're completely cutting up and I can't understand the full sentence of what you're saying.

Can you hear me now?

Yes.

Okay, I'm gonna try not to move. I think I'm having a problem with my headset here. So

excellent. Um,

you know, with respect to Mr. Stern's suggestion about the charging stations which normally I would. But this development, I believe, was contemplated, contemplated a number of the residents of Belgium, the mass transit options in the area with the light rail stations, the bus lines on Bloomfield Avenue with the train station. And I think, you know, we should be mindful and contemplating whether some of these parking spaces should be charging stations, how that would detract from the overall parking, availability, and also some of the concerns that were raised by the public this evening with respect to lack of available on street parking in a neighborhood, particularly New York Avenue. And I would hate to see that in our expand electric vehicle charging stations that will have a rollover effect onto this running neighborhood. So I just wanted to raise that as something for everyone to keep in mind.

Thank you, Greg. But I didn't. There's no maroochy and Mischka last year. We'll try and work this out. And if not, then obviously they will have to come back to the board or they're not required to have the charging stations. So if they can work it out, and it was brought up that they were contemplating it, and well and good and both Miss maroochy was the last six offices will try and work this out. And if not, we'll have to play it as it goes.

So correct for the purpose of this application to make it simple. We are not proposing electric car charging stations. In the event we decide to do a few in the future, we will submit to Mr. Murray chain Mr. lastic for their review, if they determined that we need a parking variance we will be before this board seeking one. commission.

Okay. Anybody else?

I don't see anybody else's hands raised.

Boy, is there anyone from the public make? Does anybody know? You're here? Not here, but nobody's

got their hand up.

Nobody got their hand up. Okay.

Yes, thank you, sir.

Thank you, john.

Our last witness is Sean Moran ski. He's our professional planner with lagen.

Okay, raise your right hand. Do you swear the testimony about to give us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do the state your name for the record.

Shawn s EA n murasky. Mr. ONSK.

Thank you. So,

Shawn, could you state briefly your educational professional

background for the board?

Yes, I have a master's in planning from New York University. I've been a member of in New Jersey licensed professional planner since the year 2000. member, the American Institute of certified planners since 1999. I've been qualified as a professional planning expert in over 100 municipalities in New Jersey, including Aaron Bloomfield,

your license is correct.

Yes. Thank you. Thank you for this job.

Shawn, can you describe to the board what you In advance of your testimony for tonight.

Yes. In advance my testimony I reviewed both the site and the architectural plans, the redevelopment plan the relevant sections of your zoning ordinance and master plan and also visited the area.

Right. And I identified previously joining greater civil engineers testimony, there was a variance that was identified related to the setback of I believe two parking spaces to the side property line. And you heard this step back variances that were spoken up tonight fire architects, can you describe to the board, whether in your view, and based on what proves various relief is warranted?

Yes. So um, with regards to the parking parking setback, if I could, I just like to share the screen.

You can.

Okay, thank you.

Okay. As you can see on the screen I have put up what has been previously identified as a three at the last meeting is a rendered site plan that was done by bilangan. It shows the proposed conditions on the site. And with regards to the parking setback from lot 21, which is where I'm pointing to here, which is the former Bloomfield tech school, we're required to have 20 feet whereas the were within 1.8 feet, which is located in this western portion for purposes of this exhibit north is to the left, North is to the left, South is to the right, West, down east. So within this 20 foot setback you already have the drive aisle, which comes from Franklin Ben circulates around the site, and there are a couple of parking spaces that are located within the site. Those two parking spaces are part of the total 171 Park parking spaces that are required and provide it. And the spaces point like as many of the spaces points away from the building, and they do not point in a direction that would be distracting in terms of concerns about headlights and movements to neighboring property, whether obviously, it's making right now, but if there were to be a future if there were to be a future development, so grading these variants does allow for the additional parking spaces and for efficient circulation around around the site for both cars and emergency vehicles if necessary.

And the majority of the reason why we have the setback variance, it's related to primarily existing conditions existing build out of the site to try to maximize the parking as required by the redevelopment plan, correct?

Correct. So from a from a C one perspective, the building the former, the former high school is, is there. And the intent the idea of the application is to redevelop that building and we're not affecting the footprints. So and the and the existing drive aisle is there as well. And with regards to a C two variants, helping to promote efficient circulation and meeting the parking requirements,

it is also through the redevelopment plan itself, its plans and old ambitions was to provide adequate parking taking into account the existing site and its constraints into account.

Yes, it is that that is among one of the goal goals and objectives of the redevelopment plan

will establish this application for theirs.

And with respect to unless you had anything else with regards to the parking, if you can move on to your testimony related to the setbacks. Sure.

Mr. Gutierrez talk to us details of the setbacks. I'm going to start with the with addition. See where he began. There were the setbacks of on the east side, were 10 feet was required and eight feet 10.5 inches and nine feet were the proposed deviations, as he know it, is that portion of the building expands from an existing portion. And the idea was to line up with the existing condition of one of the walls that has a nine foot condition. The idea was to line align the buildings be consistent with the historic rehabilitation guidelines as he talks about and to minimize any demolition, of the building, so it allows for an orderly development of that portion of addition, see, there's also the setback in addition, see on the west side, the 16 feet minimum 14 feet proposed relatively de minimis in scale. This is also consistent with the rehabilitation historic guidelines and where they request differentiation from the original building line as well. So both the book The efficiency variance request would be see two variances were the benefits of honoring the historic guidelines and the existing design of the building would be beneficial.

Yeah, but it's like, when

you're not nice.

Howard, I'm sorry. Good.

Okay, thank you. Um, it's you shouldn't be on the west edge. The 12 foot setback where 16 is required, as has been previously testified to it affects a small portion of the building to to the existing building geography, again, for the reasons that I've talked about in building C in terms of the historic guidelines and Building differentiation that this variance could also be granted under the sea to Mr. Gutierrez talked about the the West the efficient be West edge facing Franklin Street, it had been cited that we may need a 20 foot setback variance because we're dividing 17.4. However, I do agree with his interpretation of the definition of court, which showed any open space on obstructed from the grounds the side is bounded by two or more sides of the wall or building. There are facades that are closer to the front yard setback than the facade that is mentioned that is within the court. So I don't believe that there is a variance necessary for that. The proposed step back reductions, they help to break up the massing, they're providing deck space, and they need to have the addition setback for the building. They're not visible from the public. Right away. We Further several purposes of zoning, purpose, saying encouraging municipal action to guide the appropriate use of lands promoting the general welfare. Purpose g provides sufficient space and appropriate locations for a variety of uses. The community space, the studio apartments, refurbishing a building SM bacon for 35 years, which also goes hand in hand with promoting purpose is promoting a desirable visual environment. through creative design techniques, the idea that you're revitalizing a 35 of a vacant 35 year building with the historic design guidelines. We have to address the negative criteria and purpose

today as well to promote the Conservation of Historic Sites.

That too is that too as well.

Which is consistent precisely because there is the application for state and federal register that is ongoing right now. Negative criteria We have the two prongs, that there's no substantial detriment to the public good. The requested setback allows for safer, efficient circulation to accommodate access around the building perimeter. If it has to be emergency access, they'll accommodate that as well. We do meet the parking requirements with the two spaces a relatively de minimis number that encroach within that setback. The proposed setbacks are intended to be consistent with the historic rehabilitation guidelines and to address concerns and ideas in the redevelopment plan that talks about the rehabilitation of this site to bring it back to be reminiscent of his other historic features. There are at least two goals of the redevelopment plan that we satisfy. I mean, there's no substantial detriment goal one a we're providing for the adaptive reuse by reading fencing and historic and architecturally noteworthy property has fallen into disrepair. As a testimony has discussed previously. And goal one seeds promote residential design that utilizes the existing structure by preserving the facade, making limited but architecturally sensitive additions were unnecessary those on the upper floors that have been testified to and modernizing the interior for contemporary unique and livable space, both the studio apartments that are proposed, and the community space as well. So for those reasons, I do believe that the variances requested 10 be granted. Thank you.

Thank him. No further questions.

Any questions for Mr. Owens?

I don't see anybody raising their hands.

Why?

Okay, are there any questions from the public? Or Mr. murasky? Can you anybody? I don't.

I don't see anybody raising their hand.

Okay, I'm gonna close that portion. Thank you, Mr. murasky. Back This chair is john.

I, we've concluded our affirmative testimony. I have no further witnesses.

Okay, thank you, Miss john. We open up to the public for comment for Mr. maroochy. Do you have any comments on this before I open it up to the public?

Let's swear a please.

Okay, hold on. Raise right hand pick. Do you swear the testimony about to give us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do state your name for the record.

Nick maroochy. Mar you CCI.

Thank you Nick.

And I don't have any any questions, Mr. Chairman, no further comment at this time. Okay, are you comfortable with the fact though that the lighting and the garbage removal and I believe the siding at all can be worked out between your out your company and Mr. lashes office with the applicant?

Yes, the lighting like this. alko has unexplained it needs to be needs to meet the requirement the ordinance requirement for lighting in terms of the historical elements to the fixture, it appears that they've chosen fixture that does have historical element to it. And they didn't mention there can be an approved equal,

comfortable with

reviewing any, any

any other lighting element that you might have, but the fixture that's chosen does seem to meet that

historical element. In terms of the trash. I think that it's clear that the township does not want the trash at the street at the curb.

I'm comfortable with the fact that you're using a small pickup truck to enter that courtyard or perhaps even having the garbage truck itself back into the courtyard. comfortable with working that out.

Thank you Mr. Marunouchi. And again, as far as the charging stations are concerned, if possible viewing Mr. lassic might be able to work this out. If not, we'll just take it as it comes in. Right. Yeah. In terms of the charging stations. One thing that I actually just thought of, I don't know, if it was explained was was if there's a potential for

assigned parking spaces for each unit, there's 122 units, which does leave a balance of parking spaces. Perhaps we could work something out in that aspect. But again, I think at this time, it meets the ordinance requirement for parking spaces. And I think that we could work it out if they did come up with a plan for charging stations at a later time. We'll have to determine if it does trigger variants or not.

Okay, If we can open up to the public for comment,

we can, if anybody from the public has a comment they want to make, please raise your hand on the zoom application and you can make your comment.

You will be limited to five minutes.

So far nobody has

raised their hand. I'll give them a few more seconds.

Nobody punching in there now. Okay, that portion is closed. board members. Are there any comments from anybody regarding this application? You know what I'm going to go across? If the member is online.

I'm sorry.

No comment. No comment.

No questions.

knock your hell

out. Yeah, this is just a very Important historic building episode I got a lot of very,

very unique historical features, and I'm very glad to see the possibility of having it restored. I think all the plans that they proposed are right, right in line with the way it should be. I think we're taking a creative approach to making them studios and I'm strongly in favor of supporting it. Thank you, Mr. LASIK. I'm satisfied with the testimony is given and I have no further comments. Thank you, Mr. babila.

Well, I would echo Councilman Rockwell's. It's about the significance historical significance or architectural significance of the building. As Mr. Gutierrez pointed out, it's designed in an art modern style, which I believe immediately proceeded will be known as art deco. And I'm also glad to see that the applicant is taking a very thoughtful and considered approach to Preserving the architectural elements of the building while it for for modern year. So I'm very happy to see this moving forward.

This. Thank you for now.

position on the charging patient

was a possibility right, like

no comments, but I just want to thank the presenters for their testimony. I think this is a significant project for bonfils. I look forward

to it being done and seeing it.

Okay, can we sorry, did I hit all the board members? I'm pretty sure I see everybody on the screen here. In that case, I just like to say this is a long time coming. I believe this application was done in good faith and was a very excellent presentation. I think this john for that and our experts

I believe this can be worked out into an excellent

new a new era for this

part of town. I was born, not born, but I was raised in that part of town. And this was a significant aspect of the area and I believe in eviscerated attitude. Now this will turn things around very quickly. In that case, I assume no one else. Anybody else? Any other comments? Come on. Jose, and I have a motion to accept or deny this application.

Some of

I'm sorry,

I heard I heard Mr. babila.

Sorry, Sam, I beat you down. That's

okay. Now that's

just a second.

Okay, and just show for the record on the garbage. The sighting and the lighting was be discussed and worked out with Mr. Marunouchi. Mr. elastics office. Correct, Miss john. Great. Okay. Did Nick take a vote?

Okay. Mr. Laporte?

Yes. Mr. Silva? Yes.

Mr. Harvey?

Yes, Mr. bacula.

Mr. Good. Yes, sir. Yes, Mr. lassic? Yes. Councilman Rockwell? Yes. Mr. Stern.

stain.

Miss Richardson?

Yes. Chairman lapaglia.

Dr. Hill boy no doctor.

No. No. Okay.

Oh, yes. Application approved. Thank you, Miss Joan. annuaire springboro a very good job on the application.

Thank you.

To get this project done. South Junior High is desperately needing it.

I know. Believe me, I floated before and my old name my father went there and want them My family members, they're bugging me about it.

That's correct.

And anything else board? Anybody? Have a motion to adjourn?

Motion to adjourn.

Meeting adjourned. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Have a good night

guys.