Ep 9 - 10_10_19, 12.26 PM
5:40PM Nov 12, 2019
Lee Skallerup Bessette
Welcome to another episode of all the things ADHD.
ALL THE THINGS
I'm your co host Lee Skallerup Bessette I'm also ready writing on Twitter
and I am Aimee Morrison I'm digiwonk on Twitter
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You remember that?
I know I almost forgot. I was like, wait, what email address what you doing right now?
I thought that was just like a pregnant pause to build suspense.
No, it was a What am I talking about? weird how that can happen. And I don't know if it's an ADHD thing or a me thing, but I can In the middle of a sentence and forget what I was talking about,
Oh, absolutely. I'm like wait, what? Because I started thinking about something else while I was talking.
Yes. Not tab I was saying and I'm looking at my computer screen I said different tab. Oh
yeah. Oh God, just gotta like make your one tab full screen.
Yeah, no, it's true. It is true what least I started splitting up the tabs into like different windows around the thematic or or like purpose driven one so it's not like 118 tabs open in one window it's 118 tabs open and maybe six windows.
Oh yeah, that's much better
But it is I'm baby steps right baby steps I would drive my co workers groups of my co workers insane because like, I would just have all the tabs open and I just start emails and I just star tweets and I just and I'm like an inbox zero. I'm like what it Why would you even want that
You know what I have to say now, right? ALL THE TABS,
the tabs, I know. But that's why we named our podcast when I was working at UMW closing tabs, right?
But I like having a shameful admission to make and that is that I have a research assistant through one of my grants and she spent Oh my god, like, three hours. bookmarking my tabs that were open on. Wait for it. Three different devices.
Oh my god,
some of which Oh my god, this is so embarrassing. This is great because today's Today's episode is about working with. So here's, here's one weird trick. One weird trick is when you open too many tabs in Safari. Most web pages nowadays I remember the olden days of the static web one point O web two point O was like full of back Crown scripts, right?
where stuff is always running in the background like scraping your computer for your social insurance number and serving you customize ads every 15 seconds and so like I would have so many tabs open that my Safari would crash and would crash and it would like crash so hard that every time I opened it again, you know and I need my tabs I've been there open for a reason, right
Like I've just I'm just going to save all these tabs and like the safari is so unstable from whatever tab is causing the problem and somewhere in the background something is like autoplay right that I have to you can do this if you have this is like oh my god I sound like such a jackass so I had my IRA use my second computer right like okay
I know I know.
I had my ra use my second computer and if all of your computer all of your computers all the macs! Through one apple account, you can actually see the browser's tabs that you have open on your other devices, right? Yes, let's say I have like 60 browser tabs open on my MacBook Pro and it's unstable and I can't deal with them you can open up my MacBook Air and under the View tab, it'll be like if you all open windows and and it will show you what's on your other devices and you can open them up one at a time and deal with having to use computer number two to deal with computer number one and then then you can like remotely close them one at a time so that then you could open up computer number one again, and it would not crash every time you opened it. So like working with ADHD is like for me expensive because this is like multiple computers and a senior PhD student at $47 was an hour dealing with all of my open tabs.
And I mean, but that's I was the same advice I gave in the in the last episode. Right? How much stuff? Can I outsource?
Right. And it there is a lot of privilege to be able to outsource certain tasks, right? Because Yeah, there's there's capital that is that is involved in it. And, I mean, I've, in some ways, I've just kind of accepted it that this is the way I work. Other ways, I got rid of Safari and use Firefox now, which seems to work better and, and then I got pocket and I can tag things in pocket well, but it's one of those things where it's like, okay, so things that I need to deal with, like for my job. So there's, you know, I'm working on courses and so on, you know, I'm going to be working on these courses over a period period of time. And so one course has tabs open in one window, and that's minimized, and so I know where it is, and I can bring it up and look at it when I need to work on when it's time to work on that course or have a meeting or something like that.
and then other various projects, but then what I use like pocket for is stuff for the things that I'm going to use and want to read, but can't right now because I have the more pressing open windows. Yeah. So rather than have like a whole, a whole new window with like 100 tabs with all the things I find about affect, right? That, you know, it's like I have a tag called affect on I go into pocket, I click the pocket plugin, I type in affect as a tag. And then I know it's there when I want it and when it's finally time, so it's, it's not working. It's not like highly systemically organized. It's not, you know, magically, you know, I haven't magically closed a whole bunch of tabs, but at least it feels it doesn't feel as overwhelming as 80 million open tabs in one browser window. So it's sort of like that. There's a Now and not now, but I'm looking at it now. And so right now I can. And the nice thing about pocket like, like we're saying about the Mac is that it syncs across devices. So I can be on my phone and add it to pocket and I can be on my computer and add it to pocket. And then I can be anywhere and say, Oh, well, I have some free time. Let me let me go see what it is that I have that I have collected. I have pocketed guys that are pocketed. And, and, and also, sometimes I just have to take an hour to go through, say my favorited tweets because sometimes I don't even have time to click on the link, right? I'm like, ooh, star that tweet, right? OOH save that post on Facebook. And so like, once a month, I'll be like, All right, here's my hour of going through all of this stuff. Yeah, and just
That's my bullshit roundup day, right? Yeah,
yeah, exactly. Yeah.
My favorite tweets my star tweets were getting to be like so overwhelmingly numerous that I actually started old school emailing tweets to myself. Yeah, like, there's a don't use my email as much. Right. And yeah, and I actually have a folder in my email called links I have sent to myself. So I will just shove them in that folder.
Well, I mean, it is but I mean, this is sort of like, I think in some ways, these are tools that allow us to feel like we are on top of the too much information that we're trying to manage. Right? It's just, Oh, good. My computer doesn't overheat anymore when I have 180 things open, but I still have 180 things open, right? Yeah. But yeah,
It's piles like I've always I love my like, I like my digital file. So we were talking about Twitter. I just went pulled it up. I have over 6000 liked tweets.
Oh my god, I'm looking sign up right now.
Yeah. 6000 like, what am I ever gonna I'm never going to look at 6300 like tweets.
No, you absolutely are not. And some of them are just going to be like, I thought this was funny. So I click like, right
Some of them like there is the I know that you know some of them I don't want to lose because at one point every every year I or every twice a year at least I why I do a live tweeting viewing of almost famous because it's one of my favorite movies right? And one time Cameron Crowe answered me Yeah, and thanked me for tweeting it and I was like, man, like pile
Yeah, but now it's in like 6000. Oh, I have oh my god Lee 11,000
i thought i was bad. Oh my god. So I don't know if it still exists. I did this. Now what's the irony like Honest to God? What is the irony of someone like me? Who was invited to write for prof hacker in order to be more productive? Right, like I'm writing for the tech productivity, academic tech productivity blog, right?
And we're just all like, Oh my God, my life is a wreck.
Well, part of it is because I just come across a These tools right in everything and it's just like a, you know, I can't write an in depth review of it, but I'll click through it and be able to give you 250 words and saying like, Hey, this is kind of cool. And you could probably use it for this. I Right. Right?
I won't, but you could I guess, useful. organized.
Yeah. All you normies out there.
So you like pocket I will just say that I switched away from Safari too, because I was complaining on Twitter about like, I just, you know, like you say you like to have piles and and so do I think this is actually very common among people with ADHD. Is that like, if you don't see it doesn't exist. Yeah. Right. So like, I it's not enough for me to put my you know, million browser tabs into thoughtfully organized sub folders on zotero because it means I can't see them all at the same time. Right? have like all the tabs open across the top of my screen and 10 different windows, I can see them right now. Right all of them. And that's what I need, or they like honestly don't exist, like the number of times I've gone through and trying to clean up my zotero. And I will see that I've added the same page four times. Because I found it again, on the internet because I could not find it in my zotero, right, so. So what I use now instead of Safari is Chrome, because Chrome has an extension that you can download called the Great suspenders. And you can customize this minus up to like 15 minutes because I have such a short attention span is if you're not looking or engaging with a particular tab for 15 entire minutes it suspends. Right? So Oh, great defender in the background, just like grabs that link and then puts the page to sleep right. So Yeah, it's not running anymore scripts in the background. And it's like really cute. It has this like, icon of a window with its eyes closed. And then like, you just tap it, you click it when you go back to that page, and then the little window opens its eyes and blinks, and then your page comes back. So you can keep these things open and across the top of your sort of Chrome screen. All the tabs have the proper names in them, right? It doesn't say sleeping, sleeping, sleeping it just like, you know, have like ADHD podcast, Google Docs, or like the amount of emotional labor or like Aimee Morrison's Twitter, it's like all right there, but they're actually sleeping. So they're not like draining your battery or like killing your hard drive or burning a hole in the bottom of your desk. Right. So that's Yeah, yeah. I can't recommend that one enough. The Internet told me to use that one and the internet was right.
Yeah, that sounds I should probably do that.
You're writing it down right now or just
like does it have a Firefox extension? And one of the end this is, this is part of what drives me. And I know it comes from a loving place, but it kind of drives me crazy. And I again, I think I'm a part of the problem because I write for profhacker which is all about like, be more productive. Here's some tips and tricks is that people who try to solve my tab problem like, if you would just Lee, if you would just get pocket or if you would just like use Evernote, or if you would just run like, or if you would just like, you know, how can you live with all of those piles of paper if you just filed them?
If you were just more like me?
Yeah, if you were just more in is like and and now I understand I'm ADHD and I'm never going to be like that right like I'm but it just it was always so frustrating because it's not that I'm not trying. Yeah, it's not I get my work done. That's my work, not get done. Right doesn't really work not get done well. I'm like, my preset process is not your process. I know my process stresses you out. Because I was, I was telling, I was telling the story today and I'm I don't know, maybe I'm repeating myself, but who knows is I did a leadership thing, and they do the personality tests and you know, tell you what, you know, and whatever. You know, ENFP, I think me ENFP. I'm an extrovert shocking. But then there's, but then there was also this other one, I don't remember which one it was. And we were doing all of these sort of team building exercises and getting to know the different personality types. And one of the exercises was we were sat at a table, and we were told who we were sitting with, and we weren't told why we were sitting with them just told that this is who you're saying when we said fine. And then they asked us the question, describe your ideal Thanksgiving dinner. And mine was like, oh man, my ideal .
Wait, wait Lee, it is a Canadian Thanksgiving or American Thanksgiving.
It doesn't matter. Holiday dinner, let's just say holiday. Thanksgiving is probably American. Okay. You know what holidays are your favorite holiday dinner? Right? Plan your ideal holiday dinner. And I was like good food. Good booze. Good people. Good times. Right? Right. Just that's it. Right? Nothing. You know, and also it helps. I'm not the one who cooks my husband cooks. I'm like, great. Yeah, take care of that. Like it'll, it'll be good no matter what he makes right? It'll be delicious. You know, the booze will be great and the friends will be fantastic and we'll just have a great time. Right and everybody around our table was pretty much some variation on that right chill and being just like close family friends. Like some of it was like, you know, I hate to cook so it's just gonna be takeout and I was like, always that's a great idea too right. Little did we know is that we were all on one side of the personality for that one trait right everybody else like we were the only table who was like let's have chill chill meal with like this whatever everybody else was like we need a menu and we need to get out the fine china and we have to have the proper centerpieces and we have to have like seating arrangements and we have to have and I was like what oh my god yeah I was like Oh wow. And somebody in the room actually told actually heard me describe my ideal meal and looked at me and said I'm sorry but I'm never coming to your house for a meal for for a holiday meal.
Wow shots fired.
Yeah, well because it was just so it was to everybody like was so like the looks on everyone's faces that are just like caught completely unaware. I was like, oh, gosh, that like they were getting anxious. Just hearing me describe the lack of preparation That I was putting into my my holiday dinner, right? Where I was getting stressed out listening to them plan. And even I would go so far as to say I would be stressed out going to their dinner.
Maybe thisis why people are so miserable at holidays.
This is a good place to end this episode of all things ADHD. Next time we are going to be talking about how do we collaborate with colleagues and maximize work relationships giving given the neuro divergence that exists, as well as our different working habits and I'm not even going to say preferences but often needs and then we will also be talking about how do we survive meetings with ADHD when it's just something that doesn't hold our attention. As always, you can get in touch with us at all the things ADHD gmail.com as well as our website all things ADHD calm. And finally, you can use the hashtag on Twitter. Hashtag all the things ADHD. And with that, I hope that you can maintain focus. I don't even remember my catchphrase, that's how bad the ADG is. I have been doing this for three hours now. And I've done it five, six times, and I haven't done it in the past 45 minutes, so I don't even remember what the catchphrase was that I was doing. So as a bonus, here's a little outtake that explains why the sound on my track is just so bad.
Right, let's do that one.
It's weird doing this in a bunk bed. I'm not gonna
But it's it seems to work. Does that sound okay?
All right, good. Cuz there's are certainly a lot of pillows, a lot of pillows and stuffed animals.