ThinkComputers Podcast #194
1:20PM Oct 11, 2019
It is a weekly tech podcast This is Episode 194 and we are live on youtube again doing the whole livestreaming thing I think it's worked out pretty well so we're going to keep on doing it. This episode as always is brought to you by Amazon if you gotta think computers that org forward slash Amazon and happen to purchase something that helps us you know get a little kickback and helps the podcast keep on going with me this week. I have a new co host it is Ryan what's up Brian?
How much new life co host anyways,
yeah, that is Yeah, you have been on a few times, but it's your first time being live. It's pretty interesting. I didn't like i said i i like the whole livestreaming thing. It's it just brings out it's a whole different dynamic and it's a lot of fun. I think so.
Yeah. No, I really enjoy the format quite a bit.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it makes things much easier and it's It makes things more visual for us, which I think is a good thing. It just allows us to show you more. So yeah, so we will start out with our reviews this week. And I took a look at this product right here, which is a MDS rising five at 3400 G, this isn't a PU, which means it has CPU and graphics all on one chip. So essentially, you don't need a graphics card. And AMD has had AP US for quite a long time. And they were just and Intel has had integrated graphics for a long time too. But I've used them in the past and it's always been something where I'm like, this just is this. It's no like it just never worked. It never worked for me. It just was never, it was never something that made it worth it or even was like this is something that I could Potentially us until I save up for graphics card. It was never to that point, I don't think
yeah, I mean, outside of some real basic like flash games browser games watching some HD YouTube. I know a little bit back in the day like when I'm thinking Liga legends when it first came out I know we played at work on integrated graphics and it'd be okay. But you had to lower things down quite a bit turn all the effects off and yeah, they just have really not been there. And I think you found that was a little different with this CPE Right.
Yeah. So this while this is a like a rising you know, 3400 so it's a, it's a it's a 3000 series product, it's actually a second gen rising chip in here. So it's 12 nanometers, some seven nanometer like all the other new rise and chips, but it's so it's Zen plus, plus Vega graphics. So it's not the new NaVi graphics either. So your Vega 11 graphics in here, plus the Zen plus CPU and in my testing, it's like It's a great chip like it really is. 10 ATP, the biggest thing where for me, I wasn't so much focused on the CPU side. Well, we will talk about that the integrated graphics was the big thing, because I was like, Can I actually play video games with this with it like that? That was a big thing. And can it be usable? Because again, in the past, it was never usable. So my biggest thing was seeing if it was usable, and I played a ton of like, the most popular eSports titles. fortnite Apex legends don't have to what else that I play. I played a lot of different stuff.
Your games on your list? Really?
Yeah, yeah, I played a lot of games. And the big thing for me was, it wasn't playable. Like, you know, obviously, like I captured frame rates and stuff like that, you know, as you can see here, but the thing that really stood out was like, Can I actually play it? Like, is it something that I can sit there and actually enjoy playing I really could. If you look at 10 abp here, you know on our lowest like Apex legends, which is a very new game you know, right around 40 FPS at 10 ATP that's still very playable I would say 40 to 60 is very playable as you get over 60 it's even more enjoyable but I was playing Apex legends I was getting kills I was actually won a game plan on a PU, which was kind of fun. You know, but if you look at the other titles to like Counter Strike, oh, one of the again, one of the most popular games still, you're getting almost 60 FPS at 10 ATP data to you all the way up to 82 fortnite 63 Rocket League 53 and we haven't turned some of the settings down but it was still very, very playable. And I think that's the big thing here. If you go down to 720 P which again, if you're looking to, you know, save money and buy a lower end product like this, you're not going to have you might not even have a 10 ATP monitor. So if you look at 720 P, you're over 70 FPS in all of the titles and I am Super playable. I think this is just a great product for one for me it screams family PC like it really does. We've all done it, we've all built a family PC for a relative, at least I have multiple times. And you know, CPU plus bought buying even a cheap, cheap graphics card like this is the way to go. I think it's just it's so much easier. And with this, you could really put together a decent system before 15 motherboard GDPR for you know, a cheap SSD, you could have a you know, you'd be up and running, you know, like three 400 bucks with everything all together, which I think is really, really great. On the CPU side of things, it's still a good processor as well. It's going to handle pretty much everything you throw at it that that most normal average people would that's like a ton of Chrome tabs. You know, like videos, video and photo editing, things like that. You're not gonna have a problem with the CPU either. It's just a great product. And I think it's 150
I think it was 151 49. Maybe what I was really impressed with was the power consumption, especially your idol and load. idol was like two watts and load was almost 15. That makes me want to like consider this for, you know, a possible upcoming build for a bit of a home Server NAS type box, or something similar that can run Plex, and then trans code some videos right?
Yeah, well, that's MB low power. That's the thing too. So beyond gaming, the Vega 11 graphics will do all of your, you know, HD, like you said, HD YouTube stuff, it will do all that stuff that you would typically you would need a dedicated graphics card to do so. Again, you know, home home theater PC, things like that is great. But yeah, if you look at the power consumption, I mean, compared to more mainstream processors, yeah, to watch storing idle 14 Point 8 million load. I mean,
that's, that's pretty impressive. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the temperatures kind of go along with that not not so much of a drastic difference, but definitely on the lower side of your graphs as well. Yeah,
yeah. So it, you know, it's, it's like I said, it's 144 99 right now, I think that again, family PC, home theater PC, something where you don't need, you're not playing triple A titles at over 10 ATP. And you obviously, you know, it is something that you can put together computer, very low cost works out really well. Again, the power consumption is just a really great product. You know, the only thing that we're waiting for is we're waiting for these end to architecture. And we're waiting for nappy graphics in an APU, which hopefully will be coming soon. And you'll see with that you'll see better CPU performance, and you'll see better you know, GPU performance when that comes so hopefully that that will be coming soon. From Pretty expert like I said, it's, it changed my mind because that was the biggest thing is like when they sent me this I was like yeah, like, like, I was just like, you know, because in the past I have reviewed products and I've had used products with integrated graphics. And they were never that great. They just were not like it's just you know. So it really changed my mind and it made me you know, recommend this like, I would recommend it
sure to feel weird during the build and not putting a graphics card into the build and like cooking, cooking up your HDMI
to the motherboards. It was a little odd at the time, you know what I mean? But yeah, it's like I said, it just it just worked out. Like I said, I it was it was weird, not putting a graphics card in there. But you know, it just like I said, it was it just worked. Like I said, you just plug it in and works and you're good to go. Um, I mean, I was like I said I was very impressed and it just changed my mind and And that's kind of the whole, the whole thing with my review was it changed my mind on AP us. And I think that going forward, as we get into again, we will see, hopefully, we will see a seven nanometer product with Zen to architecture and navy graphics. And that's going to make things go even further. So yeah, so you took a look at a product. I wouldn't say it's as cool but it's cool product. You've been doing a lot of microphone reviews. And you took a look at the Samsung or Santos say Samsung, Sam Sun GG track Pro. So tell us a little bit about this microphone, and maybe how it's different from some of the other microphones that you reviewed and yeah, and everything like that.
Sure. So yeah, the Samson g track pro here. It's kind of unique. When you first look at it, you're like okay, it's a microphone. It looks like it has some, you know volume and gain dials, USB connectivity, things like that, but it's actually kind of three product In one, you have your your microphone it is a comes with three polar patterns. So you have your what they call or label figure eight, which really is kind of your bi directional, then you have a cardio aid pattern and an omni directional pattern 360 degrees. So you have your microphone there, and you have the option to kind of, well, I'll get into that in a second. You also have some audio interfaces on the back. So you have your monitoring jack here for your headphones and then you have a quarter inch input like for a guitar or some sort of instrument and that allows you to kind of mix the audio signals and there's a switch on the front of the microphone as well on the body for moto and to track up the top here. So that allows you to kind of either record audio from you know, singing, whatever the case may be and your instrument or audio device in a single track on mana or you can split it off so that they're separate audio tracks on to track for later because And editing, things like that. And then there's also your, you know, your gain for your microphone for your instrument and then also volume control for the no latency monitoring of the audio going into the microphone so that way you can kind of hear with headphones, what's actually going through the microphone. It's got USB connectivity, so super easy to plug and play. No drivers required. It's a simple plug in and you're off to the races. I really found it the audio quality to be really nice. Definitely a step up over headset microphones, your audio quality, you know that it's going to get the base a lot better. Just better tone, lot warmer sounds. A lot of times the microphones you get on a headset are kind of tinny and just that you can just tell a difference and immediate difference between a studio microphone or a dedicated microphone is compared to a headset. So it's it's also really robust. I mean, this thing weighs, I think almost four pounds with the base. It's I mean, it's solid, it's the cast, zinc cast zinc body. It has a really solid base as well offer some tilting for you. So depending on how you're using it, you can kind of angle it to your needs a really hefty base with the nice foam bottom to keep it in place. The one thing I don't like is that it's not compatible with standard microphone arms. So while the microphone can come out of the kind of cradle stand itself, you have to use their specific shock mount to mounted onto a microphone arm. So if I wanted to use this microphone on this arm right here, I would have to buy their shock mount and then there's a it's an extra $30 for that piece. Nothing too crazy, but some of the disadvantages of that this style of microphone is it's on my desk so it's it's in one spot, if I have it, if I'm like a streamer or something, and I have it behind my keyboard to keep it out of the way, I'm going to pick up some of that sound from my keyboard and my mouse. If I put it in front of my keyboard and mouse to kind of reduce some of that, well, now it's in the way of my keyboard and makes it harder to game. So other than that, though, I think it's a really decent microphone and unit all together, you consider the fact that it's mixing in a couple items there, it's got your gain and, and that sort of functionality. You're really getting a couple products in one and it gets you up and going right away, as opposed to having a separate
multiple, I guess, audio interfaces.
Yeah. So like, for me, I have this mic. It's an XLR mic that I plug into an audio interface, I the mic, and I had there was just the mic I and then I had to buy the mic stand by the cables. And I had to buy the audio interface. So yeah, I mean that all that up I think the mic by it's just the mic was I think 100 and I think the audio interface was 100 and then the cables was like another 20 or 30 and then you have like the all this other stuff so yeah I mean it all it all does add up I do like the fact that it's an audio interfaces one thing that I really took from your review because like as not maybe enough for us like a streamers and stuff but people who are recording other things or you know, you say you do have a podcast with and you have like a live guests come in, like you could hook another microphone up to this. Yeah, absolutely. And, and it's you don't have to buy another like you don't have to buy something LU like a multi channel
mixer or anything like that. So yeah,
you wouldn't have to do that. It's all in one. And it's USB, which I love. So you might want my audio interfaces, but my mics not so, um, so yeah, it just it solves a lot of problems that makes things really easy, I think. How much is it?
Of course, I just wrote the review Then,
yeah, it is once it's 129, which I don't know that bad at all for what Yeah,
when you add in those, you know, the multiple functions of it, right, you've got your, your mixer and your inputs. And like you said, I think it'd be great for someone that maybe is you hook up like your acoustic guitar or something to it. And you just get that clean signal from the guitar into whatever, you know, software, you're recording via the microphone, and you can make some real quick adjustments on the microphone and have the ability to split those audio tracks out. So if you're singing along with it, you can have it on the two track setting. And now you've got two tracks, audio tracks right there. So you can split them, split them out and edit them independently, which is pretty cool.
Yeah, I think like, maybe somebody who's a musician or something like that, or, you know, like I said, for interviews, I think it'd be great and for 129 bucks, that's really not expensive. Know what you're getting in the product. So, um, yeah, so definitely check outs Ryan. Review. Um one thing I didn't mention and what I should is you guys can go ahead and follow along with us we have our show notes that are already live on the website so we have that in the description so you guys can go ahead and check that out. But that will bring us to K spot Friday which is every Friday we of course feature a case monitor build. And this week we have one that is from 2016 but I had a feature because I never saw it before and it really caught my attention is from Ali abas I think it's how you say his name is wrong, I'm sorry. And he does a lot of these like really cool scratch builds like made to look like something else. As I said we featured up some of his bills in the past. And this one is it's called Armageddon, the sum of all fears and it's made it it's a custom made desk with a PC built inside. has some really cool things. One You can see this photo right here, the monitors actually go down and which is really really cool. I think the monitors go down and up all that kind of cool stuff the keyboard comes up I wish we had a video of it because we don't but just the craftsmanship of like the desk like imagine this being your desk like how cool would that be?
You know, while no while I appreciate like the custom work and like the effort, like there's no way I could do any of this. These builds aren't aren't my favorite usually. But I it's cool. Just not my style. Yeah. But yeah, I can't even imagine like the amount of time it would have taken to build this.
It looks like something from a movie set. Yeah, yeah. I could definitely. You can see the PC back here. Custom water cooling and things like that. And I love that like again, we can't see it. But you know this section right here goes up and down. Is motorized, which is really cool. And I've got
a little speaker pods there that they kind of built into the system as well.
Yeah. And this comes up and down as well. This is like USB ports in the fan controller. Just really cool. I like he does really great work. He has so many great builds. I think this is a webcam right here. That's just like just like I said, just the craftsmanship in this one is just amazing. Here's a close up shot of the actual system that's in there. And everything like that even a card reader up there and everything like
so like a volt meter temperature gauge or something that that blue.
I'm not sure I'm not specifically Sure. There might be a video on this. I know he did an interview where he was building it at the time. But this he said that this took him 2500 hours over four years to build. So it's if you know this is not something that he did in a weekend. But yeah, I mean, like I said, just the craftsmanship of it is just pretty. It's just really impressive.
You know, when you put that to, like, you should be like build it in your shop and then it's too big to get through your doorway or something.
Yeah, and I mean, yeah, just ship this thing. And I assume this has been at some, you know, some computer shows. Yeah. But like, you can't even break it down.
I it looks pretty solid to me.
Yeah. I mean, I know, like, the screens go down and stuff, but like, how? Yeah, how do you like to come off? Like, I don't know. Yeah, it's like I said, it's like I said, but I love these type of builds, because they don't specifically look like a computer. Yeah, I would say, you know what I mean. So yeah, so really, like I said, just really, really cool build. If you're into that kind of stuff, definitely check it out. But we always like I said, we have a full section of case about Friday build. So if you're looking for inspiration for a bill, I just want to see what people can create with you know, PC hardware. Definitely. Check out our case on Friday session. We have a ton of stuff on there. And we'll go to our video this week. So we've been like I said, we've been trying to put up videos each week. And you can see me on there. And I took a look at ACS is prime x 570 Pro motherboard. I reviewed it a couple weeks ago and I finally put on my video on it. This is just a solid board for x 578. This is prime series has always been really really good, in my opinion, and the X 570 or the prime XY 70 Pro is no exception. I'm not going to go over it in full detail because this is a video and I'd like you guys to watch it. Um, but they brought a lot of features down from their higher end motherboards to the prime series. And it's just a great value for what you are getting. So definitely check that video outs and then remember the
price price on that board is sorry, and I'm just
making me open more stuff, but it's okay let's I have to think we can Opening on Amazon, it is to 3999. Okay, which seems expensive for motherboard, but you guys have to remember.
It is just just that shift and change. I'm still adjusting to it as well. Yeah.
So yeah, so to 39, which is a little less expensive than other boards out there, I would say. But it is the only thing that doesn't have that the other boards like most of the other boards that were reviewed were like 272, like 329 of the 70s. The only thing that really does not have is Wi Fi. So all the other ports that are reviewed by the new attitude on 11 AX or WiFi six, it doesn't have that, but I think that a lot of people don't even use the Wi Fi.
Yeah, especially if you're gaming like you're 99% of the time you're going to be want to be plugged in. So
yeah. But uh, besides that, like I said, definitely check out that video, but we are still running our contest. So we are giving away and AlphaGo iceberg stream this is one really awesome all in one liquid cooling CPU cooler. There are four days left. So definitely get your entry for this super easy to enter. You can see there's a ton of different ways to go ahead and enter as well I there's just like I said a bunch of different ways to enter. So definitely get your entry in and everything like that. Like I said, just super easy to enter. You don't have to do it like you don't have to. There's no entry fee or anything. It's just super easy to answer. And there's a ton of different ways to enter and you can get a tunnel you can see with all these awards, so and everything like that. So yeah, so definitely get your entry and four days left, and then we'll be doing another contest coming up. So I'm super excited for that as well. So definitely stay tuned for that. Two good products from one the company will be giving them away. So cool. Stay tuned for all of that. And that will bring us to our news for the week and Kind of a busy week with a bunch of different things will start off with our graphics card news. And the big thing this week is that AMD introduced their rx 5500 series graphics card. So we had the 50 750 700 XT kind of like the mid higher. I wouldn't. I don't know what you think, I think mid range. Yeah, it would be the mid range. This is more of like the lower end kind of like 10 abp on normal settings, I would say for these cards. Um, so they announced both their desktop version in the mobile version. Emphasize alpha 15 was actually the first laptop to be powered by the 5500. And I think this card is is good. I think that again, the 5700 5700 XT it's there but it's like Nvidia has a whole lineup and just to see MD right there slowly releasing these which is good. And just to have more competition to have more of a price battle, like there is another choice in the lower end now. And I think that's a good thing. I think that
yeah, I mean, you're so used to seeing like those, you know 1600 series in laptops and just in those PCs that you see it Best Buy or something like that, where it's it's always a Nvidia card in there or something similar, I think you're going to start seeing this 5500 series card show up and a lot of places, especially OEM builds. But but not not to say that you're not gonna find it in in Do It Yourself builds as well as a low low price option.
Yeah, so just to go over really quickly. I'll just go to the desktops. That's what I'm sure most you guys are, you know, really interested in 22 compute units 1400 and eight stream processors, eight gigabytes of GDPR six, that's kind of the biggest, really nice to have So you have the newer memory, their base clock of 1700 and Sep but no game clock sorry. The game clock is 1700 and 17 megahertz and then the boost clock was 1800 and 45 that's that's the highest it will boost. Of course, there will there should be a bunch of Adam Adam board partner cards. So you'll have a bunch to choose from. So yeah, so like I said, I just I like that there's we have options. Even if you're not an AMD fan, and you're always going to go and video it's just it's good to say okay, in this price range, here's a MD card. Here's an Nvidia card. Here are the prices, you know,
yeah, I mean, like I said, it looks like in November, so you're gonna have systems from HP Omen line. There pavilion, gaming desktops, some Lenovo systems. An Acer PC. Again, you're just going to see a ton of OM builds with with there so I think that'll be nice to have some variety and choices in the market.
Yeah, like I said, it's just gonna I think like I said it's, it's just going to again just give you a choice I think it's the biggest thing that and that's what I think out of it it just gives you a choice and everything like that. But then we'll we'll move over to CPU stuff and Intel announced their 10th Gen core X series. This is their high end desktop parts in the big thing that that I love about this is they finally brought pricing back to normal,
just um, which I feel horrible for everybody that bought bought a previous systems and yeah, at least prices have dropped so much. But
the past two generations of high end desktop parts from Intel, were ridiculously expensive, almost around $2,000 for their hot highest end part. Which just for the longest time, probably for the past 10 years. You for the highest end part from Intel was the thousand dollars like you knew if you were buying or building a high end desktop system and you wanted the best chip Intel to put out there it's going to be $1,000 and then the past two generations It was like doubled in price and it was like you know what the hell yeah. And it makes systems even more expensive. But now if you look at it their their highest end part which is the core i 910 nine be or she's I hate I know it's such a mess. Today at 10 nine at XE this is there eight core 36 thread part is 979 that's so great. That's so awesome. Yeah. Going back it just you know I think this has a lot to do with AMD putting out high core count ships at lower costs. This brings it back to normal. The next part down is the 10 940 x For 784 and then you have the 10 920 x at 689 and then the 10 900 x at 590. And you can see all the all the specs for each one starting at 10 cores and going up to 18 nothing higher than that. I don't think we're going to see that until we get the process know down.
What do you think about GDP hundred 65 watts? Yeah, that's pretty. That's up that you think so?
That's normal for stop. I think thread rappers are 165 as well.
Okay. Okay, well, yeah.
So yeah, so like I said, the biggest takeaway I see from this is just lower prices. It makes it more affordable to go high end desktop to I know a lot of people who back in the day they were always you know, like our mainstream parts like RI 990 900 K and things like that. They were considering going to high end desktop and then when Intel made the that just leap in price. They stuck to the mainstream but now a lot more people are going to be able to go the high end desktop route if they want to. Just because it's basically half half the price now.
No more viable option now.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Just a lot. Like I said, just save some money. And I and again, I feel bad for the people who last generation spent $2,000 on a part that's you're getting a better part for half that otherwise.
Some buyer's remorse there for sure.
Yeah, it's just a little odd. But hopefully they keep the price in the same and you know, and it just like I said, it stays the same so so that brings us to AMD and they quietly really announced two products. One we talked about last week. It's the AMD rising 930 900 and they also released a rising 530 500 X. The rise of 930 900 is a really great part in my opinion. 12 core 24 thread Base clock of three points, one gigahertz and boots boosts up to 4.3 gigahertz. It's a little bit stepped down as far as clocks from the 3900 X. But it only has a PDP of 65 watts. Yeah. Compared to 130
yeah. 40 watts less. This is such a good part. I think for so many people who want, you know, good core counts and everything like that. They're not going to overclock. They don't, they're not really, they just want to put like, again, plug it in and use it and not mess with anything else. I think that's great. But the sad thing is, I'm almost 100% positive that this is OEM only. So you'll see this in, you know, maybe gaming centric builds from OEM, or more like business type builds, workstations, workstations, things like that, but it's kind of sad, because I do think that this is a really great part for a lot of people.
Yeah, you know, I mean, I've got a 1800 X and you know that x with your additional overclocking capabilities, I'm just a person that buys that x part and then never replace it. So this is just one of those. So this is like a great part for people like me.
Yeah, so they have that part. No word on pricing on that either. But the rising 530 500 X is basically like I said, a big brother to the resin 530 506 core 12 thread. It does feature AM these SMT technology. And it's clocked at 3.6 gigahertz for bass and will boost to 4.1 gigahertz which is only 100 megahertz difference from the 3600 which is out there as well. So but again, oh yeah, so we're not going to get it anyways, which is kind of crappy. It's gonna be priced around 189 but we won't be able to get it. I really wish that They would just make these parts available to everybody. It would just make things better, I think.
You know, it's a lot of skews, though. I mean, you think about all the processes that are available out there.
Yeah, but I just I think especially that 3900 that's just really I think that's such a great part for a lot of people. And it's just you can't you won't be able to get it unless you buy a pre built which not a lot of people want to do so. So yeah, so also talking about processors and things like that. Thread Ripper three is coming up. I know a lot of people are excited about it. And supposedly we heard rumors before that there's going to be three platforms or three chipsets. They'll be a trs 40 a TRXADNAWRXADWRX. Like a like the car, I guess. So and MSI is running a program or a rebate thing where you'll get a $25 gift card or $25 steam gift card. If you buy it. certain products and weirdly under their motherboards section, they have a creator TRX 40 which basically tells us that there is going to be coming. There is going to be trs there is going to be these TRX, chipsets and cx 40 is going to be one so basically more or less confirms that I don't I always think because there's always so much AMD news I always think they're like a MSI just put this put this out there somebody will see it. Because it's like, they're just like, how do you mess this up? Like how do you put this in here when the products don't even right?
Yeah, when you're doing your stuff, yeah. How's that slide past editing?
Yeah, so it's going to happen the board is their Creator TRX 40. The Creator series from MSI is like it launched on their XT 99 boards. There's an XT 99 creator. So it should be a pretty nice board. The TRX 40 will be the lower end of the thread Ripper three chipsets it falls below the trs 80 and it's wor x 80 we don't know a whole lot of information on the so I won't go into that. But as we get as we learn more about these will tell you more but still, you know just like I said it's good to know that it is there and we will have options when it comes to threat of over three which is a good thing I think. So yeah. And onto yet another MD story. It seems like there's a lot of these AMD and Microsoft announced a 15 inch Microsoft Surface laptop three so there will be this is not like the surface three is not all AMD sir there will be a surface three skew that is powered by a horizon processor, which I think is a big deal and we talked about on the podcast before is because since surfaces inception, it was all Intel. All Intel parts and everything like that. And now Now you see an empty part there in one that's just great for for PR for a empty but Sue I think that's a really big customer base that they're selling to you know, it's a big customer for them and I think it's great for their stock price and things like that. And I just think that it's it's just empty is just doing good stuff right now and for to get Microsoft even consider using that part in a skew in a one of their flagship. You know, flagship laptops. That's pretty awesome, I think.
Yeah, I mean, you think Microsoft does partner with AMD on you know, on the Xbox and everything so they've got a little bit of that relationship but you're right, you know, surface line has been Intel the whole way the whole time. I think it's a good hopefully a good move. Right. And I know it brings brings about more options in the future.
Yeah, it's just like I said, and if the performance of this which we haven't seen any reviews out yet, but The performance of this specific skew is good and it's good compared to the Intel part and I don't know the price difference if there is one will want to see that but I think that if that is the case, it just it's just a win win for for AMD on that for sure.
One thing one thing you didn't
want to touch touch on real quick with the a couple of the other Surface devices that I was really excited about the surface Neo, I don't know if you saw that it was kind of I did see
tablet sized type of device had some really cool dual screen functionality, especially when you brought the keyboard into play. And some of the features that had and on the surface do Oh, I never thought I would say I was interested in a like surface phone or a phone from Microsoft, but
I think that's pretty sweet.
Yeah, so yeah, so that's the duo there right or that's the that's the duo. Okay, let's do Oh, yeah, yeah. I saw after Oh, yeah, this is the nia. So this is, yeah, this is a phone. So they kind of did like the fold, but there's not an actually folding screen. screen. And then this is the do the, the mean. Is it?
Yeah, the Neo is the larger one.
Yeah. So if you look at that, I mean, that's, that's really interesting and how the
keyboard right, that second screen there and being able to either, you know, drop in a map or just slide things around. The video really showed off some cool use use cases, I think.
Yeah, and a lot of people like I saw a lot of articles were like, Microsoft is the new Apple because Apple used to innovate. They really don't, anymore, and like this products is very different. And it makes you rethink how you use a device like this right? And I think that's really cool. And then especially like, even on the On the, you know, on the phone side of things, it's interesting too, because Microsoft had their their mobile operating system, which they completely killed. And this is an Android phone now, which is kind of interesting. But yeah, it's like I said, I think it's really cool. I'd have to use one to see how this would all work out. Yeah, there cannot be my biggest thing when I'm looking at laptops or mobile devices is can I be productive on this? Is it you know, it's going to take some time to get used to using it, but is it productive? Or can I be productive on it? And these are cool. I love to play around with one I think the mall by me actually has like a Microsoft. It's like a kiosk. Okay, but it's not an actual store but it's a kiosk and I think they'll have these around but it just see Yeah,
sorry not to take us
off track. No, that's fine because I think it is really cool. Um, I just like Before I can really say anything, I'd have to play with it. I mean, it's like any device you really have to play with it. They it looks awesome. The both of both products look really good from everybody that I've talked to that's owned a surface. They love it.
I have the original Surface Pro still.
I've had it for 256 years now or something like that. And I don't use it hardly ever. I when I did use it, I loved it because it was so compact, and just throw it in a bag and take it back out. It was quick. It's still performs really well. I mean, I keep it up to date. And it
performs awesome. I love it.
Yeah, like I said it. Everything I've heard about services are great. So I think the next time I go to the mall, I'm gonna have to see if they have these and see if I can kind of play with them for a little bit and see what they're all about. But I'm talking about another way to look at PCs or how you know, things are different. Intel had an event in London and they showed off a modular PC concept where basically Basically, you have these cards this is this is like a PC on a card basically. And the whole idea is that these, they're basically PCI Express cards. And they would go into a back plane, which would essentially be like a motherboard, but without the CPU. So you just have like a board that has a bunch of PCI Express slots. And you would plug in these different modules. So this one has your process actually, this one had, has a lot of this one has your processor, it has MQ slots, it has DDR like, so DMDDR for slots as a ZM processor in there. And, and everything has Wi Fi, it's all built in. So you can see. It's basically like a mini computer that you plug plug into a back plane, and it's your PC, and then you'd have other ones that would add more functionality. So you'd have one that would essentially would be a GPU, you'd have another one that might be a storage one that would have even more MQ slots or Cena ports with hard drives or whatever. And the whole idea behind this concept is that it's easier, it would be easier to upgrade components, it would be easier to get new features because you could just plug them in, rather than having to buy a whole new motherboard and everything like that. Because essentially, if, you know obviously we're moving to PCI Express for point knows when that happens, that technology is going to be there for multiple generations, it's not going to change necessarily over a long time. So if you need to upgrade your CPU, you just take out one of these cards and put a new CPU and if you need to upgrade something else and add new features you want to add to say like Wi Fi six, it's a newer technology. If you just get one of these cards and plug it in and you're good to go. You don't need to do anything else. You know, because for us on the desktop side, if we want Wi Fi six we have to buy a brand new motherboard that has it. We can't I mean, I guess you could with human enemies. Yeah, yeah, you could do that but it's I guess their whole idea is just to make things easier I see this more on like a super computer level than like a user level. Yeah
I'm having a tough time buying it at first I was like, oh this is cool. And then I thought wait like if I want to swap out components I'm just going to swap my components i don't know i don't i'm having a tough time buying into it.
The only thing I could see this being a good thing for like if it is on the like on our side, like the desktop user side would be like for new features like with x 570 we got these new features Yeah, that weren't available on you know, like or like you know, going from like, especially like when we went from USB two point O to USB three point out, like getting those specific features is is what I would want but again, those new features only come around don't come
out so often.
Yeah, ready to update your whole system anyways, so
yeah, so I can see this on like a super computer side where you have a map Massive back plane with like 30 slots slot in 30s aeons to do a task. Yeah, I don't see this on a desktop user side I just don't. I just don't know.
Maybe they've got some great idea and we just haven't figured it out. Yeah.
I'm not sold on it though.
This would make the PC smaller but again, then you run into heat with this too. Yeah, this is uh, this is done by the same team that does the Intel nuts, which I think are great products. So what the state again, this is all prototype, even the name the element, the elements, you know, Intel elements. That's still up for debate. This is all prototype. I, I like that. Intel's rethinking the desktop, maybe. I mean, I don't see that I don't like I'm looking at my computer over here. And I'm like, Is it really That bad that we need to change it. Right? I think that this would make the desktop smaller and I think there might be certain applications for that would be a good thing. You know, but I just don't see it on the desktop side. Like I just don't see me replacing my awesome looking desktop here with like, a back plane thing. And I don't know. Yeah. I just can't, I just can't wrap my head around it. I can see it.
Yeah, further along or give me some examples of how it would be used.
I can see it in a data center scenario for sure. Or like
power kind of like blades in a you know, a server chassis or something.
Yeah, like I can see that but for everything else, I just can't I just I just can't see it. So we will. We'll move on from that one. And we'll talk about some new product launches. Two of them actually one, I think that people have been waiting for for like ever
the single amazing why
Knock to I love their coolers, absolutely lovely clothes and I honestly don't have a problem with their colors. I'll bring up let's see here, I'll bring up one of their, what their normal colors look like on their coolers. Because some people hate them
to remember I used to hate it so much I've just gotten past it
like so this is the knock to a colors which, again, I'm not, I don't hate it, it's a unique color is what they've always had. So if you bought a knock to a CPU core, these are the fans that you got. And these were the the, the color of the cooler was always the same as far as like the actual heatsink array and everything like that. So this is what your CPU color will look like. But again, not a big deal to me, but for a lot of other people and people trying to build a PC that looks a certain way. Yeah, you know, so they introduced all black which I think a lot of people are having About I think it looks awesome. I think that if you're doing any type of build where I think blacks, most PCBs are black with, you know, so you can add you can just do a lot with this. So what they've done is they've done it with their NHD 15 which is the one that's actually being shown here. And they've done it with their you 12 s in their l nine, I, they always they have all three of those will have a black versions and they're 4994, the L nine IU 12. So 6990 and the D 15 is 100 bucks. And they are coming out with these. I don't know what you want to call that. But they're there you can swap out the rubber ends here for different colors. So you have black, blue, green, red, white and yellow seven bucks the swap amount so if you again we're doing like see like an MMO I build which would be like read read you could make them read or like an ROG ability you can make them read so give me more options to people I think people have waited for black for or like just waiting for a different not to a color for so long
they've had some black fans recently
they've had some color options but
they've had some but it's not like not like this yeah we're the whole heatsink is black and everything like that. So these I believe they're available now and you should be able to pick them up so if you're looking for an air cooler, I highly recommend not to it anyways. So definitely, definitely check that out. Want to get one into review because I want to definitely for sure. And then a Sue's put out a really interesting product and one that I'd actually want just because I love small portable SS DS they put out there republican gamers are ROG strict area on Portable SSD. This is a USB CU Be 3.2 Gen two, so superfast SSD. But it's not an actual SSD, it's just the enclosure. So you can go ahead and put an NVME drive in there, I assume it opens up pretty easily. And you can just slot in an end to drive which, which gives you the ability to pick the capacity and everything like that that you want. The enclosure, I don't I thought we had the price. I don't know if we have the price. It can't be incredibly expensive. It does have the RG logo, which I assume lights up when it's powered on, which is being RGA might be a little bit more expensive. We reviewed a couple of these around 30 to 40 bucks
at the 50 to 60 mark.
Yeah, because it's RG Yep. But I love these just for the fact that you can throw an MQ drive in here, and it's the fastest USB drive you'll ever have. And this one's 3.2 USB Three points us Gen two Yep. So it's on gentlemen portion to port super super fast yes like i said i Yeah, you're probably right. I don't think they'll put it up to 70 but I could know
what the lighting the just knowing how Rog ROG stuff is previously priced. I think it'll have a premium. But
yeah, it'll be pretty cool. Yeah, so definitely looking for this on Amazon it like I said, hopefully it's not too expensive. And all that and gaming news first thing, Red Dead Redemption to is finally coming to PC. This is one of the most popular titles for consoles last this past year, I guess. A lot of people have been wanting Red Dead Redemption, one to come to PC and we haven't seen that. I kind of had an inkling that that rock star was going to do something because they recently released the Rockstar Games. launcher so they have a launcher now we have another launcher we have to download. Um so they they announced that a few weeks ago and then they just announced this the game will be coming out on PC November 5. Yeah, like I haven't played I haven't either
it to me it seems like it's it's Grand Theft Auto in the wild wild west. I like that that's not 100% Yeah, I think it's you know, yeah, well environment. I mean check it out. I don't know we'll see.
I like the idea of that I might check it out. But they also just this past week released the system requirements for the game which are really anything crazy if you look at them. The minimum system specs as far as processor would be an i 520 500 k or an FX 60 408 gigabytes of memory and a g force a GD x 770 or radiant or nine to 83 gigabyte so you don't need a whole lot as far as minimum But the big thing 150 gigs, that's a lot of space for again, regardless, you know 50 to 60 gigs it's like kind of normal, but you know,
the open world
yeah hundred 50 gigs is just you know, I mean if you're talking about like buying a one terabyte hard drive for games, you know that five games that's it of this size so as far as recommended specs and i 747 70 k or rising 515 hundred x 12 gigabytes of memory, GC x 1066 gigabytes and ARX for 84 gigabytes So again, I know this game is a year old so it's not going to be crazy on your hardware. I'm interested to see the mods I did GTA five had like so many mods. So I'm pretty pumped to see if there's any mods for this and when people you know be able to do with it so that should be pretty cool to see but It does come out November 5, and you can get in on the launcher It will also be available on
Steam later on, isn't it? Yes so late though
for some reason it will be available on the Rockets or the Rockstar Games launcher right or you can get it on the Epic Games launcher and they have the apparent it's not they call it exclusive but it's not an exclusive because it it's on the Rockstar launcher like bragging there. But it's it's only on the eye for the first month. It's epic. It's only on epic. But again, you can buy it and rock star you don't have to go through epic if you don't. Yeah. And then it'll be available on Steam after that a month later. So see, I might pick it up.
I don't know,
I really haven't done a whole lot of time for games or anything like that.
It feels like one I would want to play and I'd pick up and play for like the first couple days and get into it and then just realized I don't have the time to commit to it. Unfortunately
But let's just right now.
Yeah, me too. And as we get more into the holiday season, lot more products come in, like I'm too busy to play it. So yeah, so our last little piece of news is that Microsoft has partnered with Spotify for Xbox game past. If you're not familiar with the Xbox game past, it's a monthly subscription, where you get access to games. So as long as you have the subscription, you can download and play these games. It's it's like, it's like Netflix for games. And they brought it over to PC, there's 150 PC games available. Big ones are of course, Gears of War five that just came out, which I'd highly recommend you guys play because it's awesome. But what they're doing now is you're going to get a Spotify Premium with game pass. So it's five bucks a month, which I don't think it's a lot but you'll get six months of Spotify Premium. I don't know how much Spotify Premium is I think it's around the same price is like five bucks.
What's for new users of game pass?
Yes. for PC people, you should all be new because it just got out of elegance and right. So yeah, so it's not bad. I think if you're already a Spotify user, you should be able to just stack this onto your current subscription. So I think if they want people on the service, they're doing this with Spotify. I think it's good. I mean, you can't complain about it. So yeah, so yeah, so it like I said, if you want to check out Xbox game passes, five bucks a month, over 100 titles on there. There's a lot of really good ones on there, too. It's not just like arcade games and Gears of War five, there's a lot of good stuff on there. So if you want to go ahead and check that out, definitely do it and you'll get six months of Spotify Premium, which means you can skip and you can actually pick the songs you don't have to shuffle. I go to the gym all the time, and I have like an album or like a playlist I like but I have to shuffle it. I can't pick the songs. I can't. I can't listen to it in order How do you want? Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so that, uh, that brings us what you're I can't even talk the end of the night man. That brings us to what we have coming up next week, I will be taking a look at a graphics card I'll be taking a look at gigabytes, GeForce RTX 2060 Super wind force oc HG, I hate how gigabyte has these long so long. Basically, this is a slightly overclocked RTX 2060 Super custom cooling solution at the same price as a reference card. So basically, you're getting better cooling, a slight overclock for a little bit or for the same amount of money that you would be paying for reference, so why not pick it up. So I'll be taking a look at that. And then I'll also be taking a look at some RGB memory. The a data spectrum XD 60 G. These are like the most RGB out memory if this ever loads. The most GB memory that I've seen there, the memory is designed to run RGB. So it's a full day. It's all
across the side to lights up.
Yeah. So this is all one big diffuser with RGA man lighting. Obviously, you have it on the top as well. We have a 16 gig kit. Super, it's DDR 3200. So it should be pretty good as far as speeds and performance. And we'll see you know, see what it looks like installed and things like that. So I'm excited to take a look at that as well. But yeah, this is like the most RGB out DDR for that I've ever reviewed. It's just it's the I mean, that's what it looks like in soft me. It's just completely all over the place. So yeah, so definitely stay tuned next week for that. And as we come to the end of the podcast here we talk about if we did anything tech related this week. Did you do anything cool or tech related?
No, no, no. Just Working, I got the broken on these headsets. So I've got the Coursera virtuoso. So that'll be coming up to not next week, but pretty soon after. So I know that's about the most tech thing I've done all week as I open up some new headphones and start testing them.
I build a desk today, which I'm using right now. So if you look behind me, I'm if you guys can go this way, you really can't see it. But my old desk is back there in the corner. And I have a new desk which didn't take me long to build. But the biggest thing with with putting a new desk together and setting things up is like how I'm going to wire everything and like I have just have wires all over the ground because like I want to, you want to do the cable routing, right? You want to you know, so I spent all day doing
all this on that picture. You need to wire up those get those cables organized. Yes,
yeah, I posted on Facebook of what the setup looks like and it's just yeah, and I'm not like I thought so I went from like that bamboo type desk. Back They're all white, and I like it, but I see everything on it like I'm looking down and it's just like I see like,
every year she got a scarf or like, I noticed if I have like a case sitting on my white table and you scoot it too much in the rubber feet, like leave a little mark or something. Oh,
yeah, I see. I see everything else that so I'm gonna have to get used to that, but I do like it. It's wider. So before I had to have my tower on another shelf like thingy that I had, and now my tower is on the desk, it's all one. It's all together. I don't have wires coming from that
shelving thing to my desk. It's all together, which previous one also had like a cut out
in front of us. So that's a little weird. So I like again, I've only been on here for a couple hours, but it is different because I'm further away from my monitor. So you know my monitor in front of me here is a little bit further away and I don't have the cut out. It doesn't bother me yet. But I'll have to see in the future. Hell is going to go. But yeah, that is that's it for the podcast this week, guys, as I always say, you can check out the full show notes page right here, which has everything that we talked about. So if you are listening or watching over again, you can click through and check out everything that we talked about. If you're looking for us on your favorite podcasting software, it's just the computers all one word, and until next week, catch you guys later