ThinkComputers Podcast #188
12:53PM Aug 8, 2019
Welcome to the thing computers weekly tech podcast. This is Episode 188. I am one of your host Derek and as always, this episode is brought to you by Amazon go to think of peters.org forward slash Amazon and make some purchases there in our name kicks a little bit back to us so we can put the podcast on just helps us out a little bit. We appreciate it if you do with me today, as always is thinking Peter, Bob, What's up, Bob? Sup man. So Wednesday we're doing this on Wednesday night Tuesday. So a little busy this week. Yeah, I will talk about at the end the podcast and I'll be going away next week. So doing you know just kicking it back a little you know, one day so you don't have to wait, I guess even longer for the next episode. But, but there's there's a lot of going on this week and it's good that we pushed it back a day or something
Pretty Pretty. Probably the most talked about story was yesterday, and we'll get into that. But let's just jump into our reviews here. And we'll start it off with the rise and 530 600 x. This is the $249,
six core 12 thread processor from MD. Obviously, it's an upgrade from their previous 2600 x. And it completely outperforms that process or as it should. But it's not just like a slight upgrade that we've seen from maybe Intel in it is a very big upgrade. And the biggest thing that that that I would say AMD has done with the 3000 series is there's such a big increase not only in multi core, but in single core performance as well. You know, you're going to get better, better single core performance when you boost up the clock speed. But it's even more more improved. It's not just like okay, the added 100 megahertz, you're going to get a little bit better speed, they've actually really done things to to make the performance better. They've done their game cash, which is basically tripling their l three cash, that helps us out in gaming as well. And I think for $249, this is a processor that I would pretty much recommend to anybody. You know, we've seen the 3900 X and even the 3700 X, but those are pretty expensive. I mean, the 3900 X, it is a beast. And it's pretty much beating anything out right now. But it's 500 bucks. And as we talked about last week, it you really can't even get it for 500 bucks, it's, you know, going for six $700. You know, so I think for you know, only 250 bucks, I think it's actually 230 on Amazon right now, this is a great processor to build a brand new system with it just is six core 12 threads, you can do quite a lot with that you could not only game with that, but you can do you know video editing, photo editing, there's a lot you can really do with that. And it does come with a cooler, which, you know, the the other side does not you know, Intel processors don't. And for the mid range. I mean, it's pretty much the king. I mean, I don't see another processor out there that would really beat it in the mid range from Intel. It's just that good. And the prices, right? It's just a good processor. That's all you know.
Yeah. I mean, it's Yeah, it's never intended to be the top top dog, obviously. But price for price to performance for the mid to upper tier is really really good.
Yeah, yeah, it is. And the only thing that I would say is there is the 3600, which is 199. And you can technically overclock that and get around the same performance. That's something you might want to think about. But technically overclocking, what do you mean, because I the exes are supposed to be the overclock bull chips? The Yes, but you can you can overclock The 3600 is completely unlocked as well.
did not realize that happened yet. Is that true of all of the parts this year? Or this series? I believe so. Yes.
Okay. I know that I'm thinking about it. I'm not specifically Sure.
So what's the performance difference? I guess then, rather than the extra designates that it's a faster part and not necessarily an unlocked part? Yeah,
it's a faster part.
that's confusing. I if I were empty, I don't think I would have I don't think I would have gone that route in the naming scheme. But they don't seem to care about confusing the consumers. I don't
think any company does now
know, we'll talk about that you'd like
all of these different themes for all of these different things is just it just gets confusing. You don't
it's almost like it's on purpose. And they're just trying to, like, keep you like, so confused. You just by whatever, maybe I don't know.
I you know? Yeah. I mean, you know, I think, at least I don't know, I guess we're informed consumers. Like if we want to buy something we were search that in not even when it comes to computers, like everything, like, you know, just like we talked about cameras a lot on this, like, I'm not going to buy in a seven art to buy the a seven or four, right? Like we don't I mean, like, I would research which one I'm buying. I wouldn't just buy the one that says a seven or even like the eight isn't there? Just an a seven, like a normally seven?
Yeah, but you know what I mean? Like, yeah, those are still being sold, and like a 2600 still being sold and a 2600. x is still being sold. You know what I mean? So yeah, I think I would hope that a lot of our listeners, and I think consumers are informed where they actually know that, you know,
yeah, I think it just changes that. Like, you've as a company, you've gotten people used to seeing that destination and like, like myself, assuming that that was true. And it's simple. It's not this time around. So that's just Yeah,
yeah. But like I said, I think that at the end of the day, I think if you're anybody, like even if you're upgrading from like an Intel, you know, like, one of the they're old flagship hearts 7700 k 6700 k, this even traded blows with the 8700 K and some multicolored benchmarks. I mean, this is a good chip, like it is and for anybody who doesn't want to, because x 570, motherboards are more expensive, if you're going to go the high end route, you're going to pay around seven to 750 bucks just for your processor and your board if you're going to go with the 3900 x. So for those who would like would rather get a 2080 ti or 2080. Super, and then have like, you know, not the not the top dog processor, that's kind of this, this is kind of the way to go? I would say,
Yeah, and I think that that person is probably more likely going to be a gamer. And that that better GPU is going to benefit them far more than having the faster processor. Yeah,
yeah, for sure. So check out that review. Like I said, I think when it comes down to price, and again, not everybody spending two grand on a PC there just not. You know, so I think when it when it when it comes down to it like this is the process that that I would recommend for probably 85 to 90% of people, if they're building new PC this year, it just, you know, like I said, you can't complain about the price, the performance you're going to get. And again, there are certain circumstances where you need the 12 cores of the 3900. x but I mean, do you really need 12 cores? for most things? I don't think Unless
Unless it's paying for itself? You don't? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, so definitely check out the review, will move on to not a review. But fractal design did release a new line of power supplies. And they sent us one over, we had told them that we don't do power supply reviews, because we don't have a load tester. And it's kind of pointless, but they wanted to send her over anyways. So we don't have performance on this. And that's something that's really hard to do, unless you have like a specific low tester. And for sites that actually do like actual reviews, so we told them that we would just do a little preview. So it's their ion plus series, and these are available in 560 watts all the way up to 860 watts, these are Platinum rated. So 80 plus Platinum efficiency rating, and they come with a 10 year warranty. So this is a part that you could probably use through multiple builds, if you want it 200% modular, which is really nice as well, and they use their new cabling, which bends a lot easier that it's sometimes it's just a pain in the ass to have cabling that just it's hard to work with. Yeah. So they put all that into this plus their new fan, which is extremely quiet, very, very quiet fan. And you can turn on zero DB fan mode, which means the fan will actually turn off when you know you're not putting load on the system or it's not needed, per se. Yeah. So I think we have a really good series here. And like that it's available, again, from the lower end from five 16 all the way up to 816 860 should cover pretty much everything. And last year doing like multiple GPU setup, which most people aren't these days anyways. Especially if you're building a new PC. So yeah, so like I said, I really like it. I love the 10 year warranty that just gives you peace of mind when you're buying something like this. You know what I mean? Yeah. So So yeah, like I said, check out our little article on it, if you want to learn more. And I'm sure there's other reviews out there, if you want to, you know, see like the performance, but it is really good. The only thing that I thought was weird is there's a switch to turn on the zero RPM mode of the fan. And that switches on the inside. So you technically would have to open it up to do that one it could have put Yeah, it's weird. I'm outside of the power spot. No, not the inside the power supply like it's on it's on the the end of the power supply, which sits inside your case where you would you connect your modular cables. So you would actually have to have in your case up and put flip the switch when they could have I would think they could have put it on the back that you know that's outside your case, right. That's the only weird thing I found. You know, I thought about this but everything else is when you look at the next thing you see there is room for Yeah, yeah, that's what I was like, this is just a little weird that it's not there. So I'm not sure what that's about but it's a good looking power supply. fractal design is has done a good job on power supply. So I think this will be doing really well.
If I was to say anything, though negative, it's that I hate when cables aren't sleeping power supplies know, like they just should come that way. These are ribbon style, which you know, they improved on but it's still
a flat cable design, which is become extremely popular. I think pretty much every almost every power supply you buy now comes with this flat cable design, which technically it is easier to maneuver. But yeah, I do like the sleep look a lot better.
Yeah, because so many are coming sleep, especially right in that price range. Like it's not exceptionally cheaper anything for 160 watt unit and yeah, so I don't know, I would just prefer to to sleep. And then the other question, what do you know what they kind of the real setup is on this? I do not multiple rounds. So I've been leaving single.
Okay, but I'm not sure
most are these days? Yeah, most are these days? Yeah.
Cool. Yeah, check it out. The 860 watt unit is 129 99. And again, like I said, the biggest thing is 10 year warranty like most power supplies have five or seven. But 10 is, you know, usually only like super high end units come with 10. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, so definitely check that article out. And I took a look at a keyboard and a key cap set. So hyper x this week announced their white double shot PVT key caps, and they sent us over the I'll alloy FPS RGB gaming keyboard to try them out on so basically I got to review the keyboard and then switch the key caps out and tell you about the key caps. So real quickly, I'll go over the keyboard. It's a full size keyboard with full number pad and everything like that. And the one thing that I love about it is that it has a metal top plate which it's kind of like for all the keyboards that I've reviewed like it's just every keyboard has to have one we talked about the razor keyboard a few weeks ago that that was made out of plastic had plastic and it just cheap. This looks great there. It's a frameless design, which I absolutely love I hate keyboards, I've just have extra like plastic or extra that's just I hate that look. And this uses the kale silver switch which is a speed switch it's the same type of switches the Cherry MX silver works really well we've talked about it a million times we're not going to go into it in full detail but cherry switches always feel better at least to us at least at least to me and you they do but the speed switches nice up it allows you to actually get the key faster so this is really a gaming switch for you know fast paced gamers people who are really you know, getting their APM up and they it's full RGB backlit everything like that the USB cables detachable, which I'm a fan of especially on a full size keyboard. You don't see that all that often. So I like that as well. And I think it's 100 in 19 bucks just for the keyboard would which isn't bad for
Yeah, it's it's around standard right now. Retail switches it's gets a little expensive. Oh noes 109109.
Okay, that's right. That's That's good. Yeah, for a killswitch. That's right where it should be.
And this does come with software software, it's easy to use. Not the best software I've seen, but it's not horrible. Either. It's kind of sits right in the middle like a lot of them. But then they sent over their new key caps. And these key caps are 2499. And they're the putting style. If you're not familiar with that, basically the bottom half of the key is opaque or the top is solid. These are white, which I thought would look kind of weird on this keyboard but it kind of worked because the keyboard itself, the the top plate is black when not now I put white keys on top. These are made of Pvt. And if you're not familiar with that, it's just a higher end type of plastic that I don't know if you had it. You have a keyboard in front of you that you've used for a long time. Do the keys are the keys kind of shiny and a little shiny? Yeah. So PVC it the way it's made. You can look it up. You don't give. Yeah, you don't get that shine. And at least in my opinion, they feel better. Yeah. It's just a better feeling. Key in my opinion.
Yeah, it's got a better tactile feel to it. Like it just, that's great beer almost two.
Yes, croupier. It just feels stronger, because normal caps are just plastic in their single shot, which means that they're the single shot means that they're putting a mold and like the molds injected once, whereas double shot, it's injected twice. That's why they call it double shot. Yeah, weird, right. So this key cap set is awesome. Not only does it feel better, like we talked about it, again, your keys won't get shiny, they won't wear off. And because of the putting design, it adds so much more to this. So the RGB lighting really shines through that opaque part of the key. It looks awesome. Like every time I look down on my keyboard now I'm just like, hey, that's pretty cool. Right there.
And the one guy It looks great.
Yeah, it's, it really does look good. And I don't even think the photos do it justice. And the thing is, these key caps are affordable. If you look at custom key cap sets, double shot PBT putting style there like 1500 dollars, and you can get even way, way more than that. So hyper access made them more affordable, I think and I think to these are while Hyperloop says these are made for their keyboards, they will fit any standard stem
is going to look like they'll fit on just about anything.
Yeah, so they'll fit on any standard keyboard layout that has a standard stem. So like Cherry MX kale data on switches, probably almost all of them have a standard stem, so you can use them. They come with the key cap puller, which makes it easy to pull your old key caps off takes about 20 minutes to kind of do it. You know, yeah, that's a fun little process. And like I said, it just adds so much more. Not only it feels better, which I think is a big plus, if you're using your keyboard a lot, whether you're a gamer, or you're typing a lot, it just the better a better feel just makes things so much better. And then it just looks better. They look awesome. If you're not into the white, they had already released the black and it was on sale for 20 bucks for the cap set. Same design just their black not white. So yeah, so like I said, really, really cool. I actually really liked the keyboard itself to it just it's, it feels heavy. It feels like like if you run to smack me in the face with this, like it would really hurt.
But it's just that is exactly how your keyboard should feel. Yes, it should feel like a weapon.
Yeah, it kind of feels like, you know, like say like Jack's old keyboard, like an old keyboard that's really heavy. That's what this keyboard feels like. And I like that. There's no flux in it or anything like that. So it's really, really awesome. So yeah, so check that out. And then oh, I just got signed out of our notes. Just
that's where I don't know.
Yeah, that's weird. So okay, so I'm going to
continue. The next up is the Silverstone do three case review.
Yes. And that was done by Ryan, this is a mini ITX case. And we'll have him tell you guys just a little bit about
It. Last week I took a look at a new case from Silverstone. It's from their lucid line. And it's the LDO. Three, they'll do three is a mini ITX case and it has some really unique features that we kind of want to cover here.
Included with the case are three tempered glass side panels, that's pretty standard. And a lot of cases, you know, it's pretty common to see at least one maybe two tempered glass side panels. And a third panel isn't anything unheard of. So that was really kind of cool in a mini ITX build, it's really the kind of unique, the backside of the case doesn't have your typical IO cutouts and your motherboard cut out as well. The back of the case actually has just kind of a blank slate with a removable dust filter and some passive cooling. And that's because the motherboard layout in this case, is rotated 90 degrees and is mounted on the backside of the inside of the case. So all of your ports, you know your USB, your network, your audio, your GPU, everything is actually on the top side of the case. And that's kind of hidden by plastic shroud. And really, it's kind of hard to explain, talking about it. So checking out the review and all the pictures there. There's a ton of pictures regarding the layout and everything. In that will do a lot better job kind of explaining the look in layout of this case. Like I said, it's a mini ITX case. So right from the start, it's you know, going to be a little cramped in there. cable management is definitely challenge. In this case, there's no dedicated cable management, routing or anything like that. But the the case supports SFX and SFXL sized power supplies. So that is something to keep in mind as well. And I definitely recommend utilizing a fully modular power supply. When building in this case, there's just not enough room here to have a non modular unit, it is probably doable, but the cable mess would be just out of control. And we really, I think did a pretty good job in this build, hiding the cables that we did need for the case. The front panel, I'll kind of go back out to the outside of the case, the front panel just pops off as a some pretty strong pins that keep the front panel attached in the front panel is comprised of plastic, metal and tempered glass, and it kind of snaps into place there. And then the side panels that are tempered glass, they have no mounting mechanisms that are visible until you take the front panel off, which is really nice, it kind of has a nice clean look on both sides. But once you get the front panel off, there's some push pins that keep the side panels in place. And you can simply kind of pull those out and the side panels then are easily removable. The top of the case is also removable, it's a plastic cap, I guess you could call it provide some passive ventilation for the system down below as your standard power button near USB microphone and headset jack as well. Like I said on the backside of the case, it's pretty plain other than a removable dust filter for an intake for the internal power supply. And then there's some passive cooling at the back of the case as well. But since everything's coming out the top of the case, it's really kind of a unique look, they're inside of the case, like I said is is pretty unique because you have the motherboard mounted at the back of the the case as opposed to that, you know, maybe the left or right side of the case. And it's also rotated 90 degrees, so everything is twisted a little bit and all your connections end up being at the top of the case. Silverstone includes 220 millimeter fans, there's one at the bottom that acts as an intake one at the top that x is an exhaust, and they're essentially right on top of each other and lined up with each other. So you have some good airflow through the case there. The bottom fan is filtered, there's a large removable filter at the bottom of the case that keeps dust out. And yeah, there's room for, you can put a couple different sizes of drives in here, you can put either two, two and a half inch, you know solid state drives or hard drives, or you can fit a single three and a half inch and a single two and a half inch drive there. So you do have some pretty good options for storage, especially if you utilizing any like him to drives you could actually fit quite a bit of storage. In this case. There are some quirks to building inside of the LDO three, one, you have to remove the power supply bracket, attach it to the power supply and then re install that. Not a big deal. But just something that's a little unique to this case.
As far as installing components, motherboard installation was fine. There's plenty of room for tall CPU heat sinks. It supports CPU coolers up to 190 millimeters and height and even supports like 120 millimeter all in one cooler. So you could definitely fit one of those in there as well. We chose to utilize kind of a low profile, Silverstone cooler in this case, and didn't have any issues installing there. Like I said, we recommend utilizing a fully modular power supply that allowed us to only install the the bare minimum cables that we needed power to our motherboard power to our storage devices, some peripheral devices, and then your video card power as well. But once everything was installed, it really actually turned out to be a pretty clean build, we were able to route some of the cabling on top of our power supply behind a CPU cooler. And without any dedicated cable management troughs or covers or anything like that. I was actually pretty impressed at first, I was pretty nervous during the building process that I was just gonna have a spaghetti mess in there. But I was able to route things pretty nicely. And you can see that in the pictures that are included in this review. One thing I do wish, though is that Silverstone would include maybe some integrated lighting or RGB fans lighted fans, something of that nature, because the side panels that are included with this case are really heavily tented, and when you have the system fully built in the side panels on you can't even see really the components inside. So it's kind of defeats the purpose of having tempered glass side panels, if you can't see what's inside, so luckily, I was able to get a good deal on a lighting kit, and installed that in there and put just two light strips within the case. And it really helped show off the build, I think it looks really great. And those pictures are in the review as well. So definitely check those out. Just some final thoughts here. I think the case looks really great. The three tempered glass panels are a nice feature here. And the two included fans, there are only 220 millimeter fan locations. And the fact that they're both populated is a nice feature there supports large and long graphics cards, there's actually a cut out at the bottom of the case that allows you to extend the graphics card past the outside of the case if if you need to. So that was kind of cool. And then it just has that kind of unique internal layout, things that I didn't like, again, the no integrated cable management, I think that there may have been some options that could have been included there. But you know, that's I'm not a case designer, I just review them and build in them. So I can't speak to that too, too much. But I wish there was a little bit more there to hide some of the cabling. Right now the case is priced it right around $260. at Amazon, I think that's probably a fair price, it may be a little more of a premium. For some users expecting something a little cheaper. But when you start getting into the kind of unique and niche market of the mini ITX world, you do, obviously end up with some price premiums. And this is one of them here. So definitely check out the review. We gave it a nine out of 10. And it's I think definitely worth a look if you're interested in kind of a unique mini ITX built
on all right, Ryan, thank you for that. I actually liked this case, because he talked about it, but it's just different for an ice ax case, I would say
a unique look.
Yeah, it's very unique. Look, it's more of like, it's not a cube because it's taller than a cube. It's kind
of a kind of very slightly I'm reminded of the fan text shift x tower cases, kind of, but also it's extremely its own thing. Yeah, it's just kind of tall in that in the way that those are. It's, it's it's sort of it's barely rectangular, right? Because it's pretty squat case, as well. Yeah. But it it is a little bit rectangular. So it kind of has that look of the shorter shift. Is it just the shift shift? Like it's just the shift actually. There's which is the smaller ones? What kind of has that rectangular look, but this is like more spacious. And that because it's more square? Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, so he did a cool little mini ITX build in that. And then talking about mini ITX stuff. our video this week was of the in one a one plus, which I might say could be the sexiest mini case out there. It is small and I talked about on the video and we actually did the review I think it was last week or the week before. It's a great case to display anywhere and things like that building in it is a little hard to get proper airflow, your probably need to buy more fans. But definitely check out the video. I think the video does much more justice than my written review because you can see the case in action and everything like that. So definitely check that video out. And then this week for case mon Friday we have a system you can actually buy. It's from a x forma and it's in there. MK to limited edition case, which the case itself is 1200 dollars to
this case is so sexy.
Yeah, this they're like I guess sort of you would call them like a case labs where you know, the entire case. I mean, one it's like it's 1200 dollars
across grade aluminum
aircraft grade aluminum. Yeah,
like everything you'd want. There's, like more, they're more polished, I would say then case lab. So case labs was like, here is a really, really nice thing that's really well engineered, but maybe not like finished out some most like the like, in the sexiest ways you know, they were very utilitarian. Whereas these are like, fully fully thought out like they're as sexy as any they're like all of the little finishes and everything is just right there as any major company that you see.
Yeah, I agree and they build they did inside this it looks like a thread rubber build there's not a whole lot information but it looks like a thread to rebuild to me with till I guess in their 20s it just the the I mean, this reminds you of like the big cases like the ones we used to see a lot of they don't anymore. Good old is the cable routing on this might be one of the favorites I've seen. In it's not. It's it's like you can see on the back side of the motherboard trade. It's like, grouped together, but it's not like those straight paths that we've always seen if that makes sense.
Like it walks a little bit.
Yeah. And it's not like,
boy, the table comes in that comes to the back and it goes to single groups. So
yeah, I just like I like that it's different. And
they do it in such a way that like it doesn't get messy though. Yeah. So like maintains the order. And, and it's it the reason why it might I'm guessing there isn't it's this way, it's because you know, this is the case you can buy. So like doing at one time is one thing, but having to reproduce that result, like identically or near identical is difficult. So kudos to them on the quality they can put into one of these.
Yeah, just just amazing. And just like the I mean, the water cooling bill is great, too. Um, you have hard to be it's it's a black and red theme case, which again, reminds me of like a lot of these that we've seen
with the red colon and red, red dims everything. Yeah.
Yeah, they have non in it. And it's not RGB. I mean, I guess there are elements that can be RGB, there's a mid the mid played in it is under lead. So and it's white. So that's all the lighting that it requires? I would say. Yeah, yeah. Um, but yeah, I mean, the the memories on RGB, I guess the blocks probably have RGB lighting in them. But it
presently turn off. Those RRTX 28 ET is by the way, God wants UEKEK blocks. So yeah, what is this? You know, what's the price on this?
I have no clue. It's it's one of their custom bills. I mean, the case itself is a 1200. You have a thread rapper and a threat of rapper board. So that's like another, you know, depending on which ship it is, and then you have to 28 ET eyes, all the water cooling? I mean, and then he has fully dimmed out the the threat report to so I imagine that's 128 gigs of DDR for, you know? Yeah. So it's, it's an insane build. It's one that I would love to have, obviously. But it's so sleek. It's one of the sleeping pills I think we've seen all year. I don't know if you agree with me on that. But I think it is. It's a Yeah, yeah, it's just that good. Yeah. So yeah, so definitely check this one out. I mean, it is, I just keep on looking at him. Like it never could do something like this. Because I would just
mean you could, but it would take you years to learn it.
Just the the amount of time just in the cable raw and, and just making everything so clean. And it's just
Yeah, yeah. And you're not even you're not even touched on like the what is essentially custom mail work and stuff in it. So yeah.
So yeah, so definitely check this one out one of the one of the cleanest bills I think we've seen all year. And that brings us to news and mostly AMD news again. Yeah, well, I mean, hey, this question is they're making a lot of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So they had their their q2 earnings call, they release their earnings. If you want to know more about that we have an article on it. But the biggest thing that I think came out of their earnings call was when somebody asked if they were they were coming out, or what's the deal with high end Naveed GPUs? Because again, the the RX for the 750 700 XT they attack the mid range for the most part. So you know, what's up with the high end? And MD CEO Lisa Sue said, I would say they are coming, you should expect that our execution on on those are on track. And we have a rich seven nanometer profile beyond the products that we have already announced in the upcoming quarters. So are they I mean, we talked about it last week of a 52 the 800 XT. Now there's rumors of a 5900 XT card. I mean, do you think do you think that they could possibly take on like a 2080?
I mean, we we've know we've we spoke about it before that there was rumors of higher end cars, but not not for a while. Right. We were thinking next year sometime. So
yeah. So did you think like with seven now, like, I mean,
they have to write? Like, do they? I mean, they have to in the sense that like, Well, of course eventually they're going to have a part that takes one on right. But that doesn't mean that in videos top card will still be the 2080 ti or whatever. Well.
I forget when the the next Nvidia, like the not not a super refresh, but like, you know, the next series Yeah, like when that will be. But I think if AMD could release a 20 at performance level card before the end of the year, I think that would be good.
Yeah, before the end of the year would definitely. It might guess based on you know, timelines would definitely put that card out before Nvidia could respond? Because I don't think I don't, I would guess Nvidia doesn't have too many snap responses left. And I'm after they went, went and push the Super Series out like sooner than they were planning seems. So they're probably really just working towards their, like, what would have been an original timeline with their next release. So I would say if they could get it, if AMD can get a competitive high end card out before the end of the year, and come in at a lower price point, that would probably be the card to buy at the time, so long as they can get their drivers in line to right. Because that yes,
all I think the biggest thing and you you just said it is competitive, it doesn't have to beat it. But it can be very close. And if it's far less money in the US, yeah, hundred dollars, like at least over 50 going towards 100. We would like that. That's a big deal. And that takes some of you know, in videos, I wouldn't say thunder, but it just it takes some of their market share, you know what I mean?
Well, it's gonna push, it'll put a card in a place where Nvidia has actually been struggling to sell a card. And those videos not been getting the sales on those 20 at and off cards they would have liked to have seen simply because their pricing has been absurd. So yeah, not only do I think we would see this being great for a MD, but it would probably affect the sale price of Nvidia products currently on the market. So I would I would like that. But good for for the consumer. But yes, as we said pre rising, we can only hope for our own sakes that this is true. Yeah,
yeah, exactly. Exactly. So one of the one of the I think one of the more interesting things that, you know, if you were looking to pick up a 5700 XT or 5700. The biggest thing is people wondering like how much more they're going to cost because they're custom designed cars. Well, power color put out on their social media, that they're there for the 700 XT their custom one, we don't know which one will be 399, which is the same price as the reference card. Which is pretty awesome. I mean, I would not want the reference card and with a custom one you're getting, at least at bare minimum, you're getting a better cooling solution. You might it's not going to be like you're not going to get like an ROG Strix card for the 399 I couldn't imagine you would. But like we saw the the ass rock challenger series, which looks more of like a cost friendly series. It's still going to have better cooling and not sound like like it's going to take off like the reference card does. Yeah. So the fact that maybe he you know, each company asis, MSI Sapphire, they're all going to have like card at 399. That's cut, you know, that has custom cooling at least like that's a I like that. You know, I mean,
yeah, it kind of puts you were so normal, you'd probably for like a base when you spend like $30 more for custom cooling, right? Just got some cooling, no, no upgraded power delivery or anything like that. It kind of puts it where like, it should be like when it what a card should be when it launches. So it kind of brings you right to base. So this makes sense to me that you'd price it like that, especially since the cards don't really perform that great. So asking, asking for more money for a card that like somebody is probably barely wanting in the first place is pushing it, I would guess.
Yeah, so it's good that at least custom cards will start at the asking price of the reference card. I like that.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah. Um, so we've seen a bunch of leaks of 5700 XT we have XFX a su there Strix card and they're tough card and emphasize new evoke which out of all of them. I like the evoke. We have links to all three of the XFX card does look good, too.
There's something I about the like, at first it looks I think the background or the backlight looks great. But the the angle on the ends of it is kind of Yeah, it feels there.
This is their new. It's a new dual fan design. The third going with I don't it's it makes it look bigger than it should be.
Yeah. And the balance. It feels off balance for some reason, even though it's it is mostly symmetric. It doesn't feel like it is I think, yeah, I don't know. And it's got a crease in the middle of it. So it also feels like it's fold in looking at it straight on. But yeah, it looks good. It looks pretty good. But it just feels weird to look at you.
It feels weird to look at I'd like to see this one like
in person in person and that's a big deal to is seeing these cards in person.
Yeah. So aces had their Strix, which looks like a strict
Yeah, the tough looks good.
The tough there. Yeah, the tough card does look good as well. And then we have the MSI card, which they sent out teaser photos to a bunch of websites have like one little piece of the card and you put them all together. It has like this like champagne color. All Metal shroud, which I like. It looks like an AMD card, but like in a not horrible way.
The only question is if the notch is there, because we don't have a picture of it. Oh, yeah, we're missing the very middle.
But yeah, it looks good. It's a full metal shroud and full metal back plate. Which is I like I like the color. Some people might hate it. It's gonna look weird in a build I feel but I just like I like the color there's
it's hard to think of maybe a black and white bored would look good.
Yeah, it's it's but I think to like it's it's a lot of these companies try to go like overboard to sell the car. You know what I mean? And design. And this is like, it seems like the one of the more just kind of basic designs but because of the colors different. It is all metal. Classic show,
you can see the heat pipes coming through. has to be nice part of the bottom actually, isn't it? So like, Oh, yes. That's good. So you know, it is it is quite upgraded cooling? Yeah. So it's not it's shaped like a like a reference card. From what I would guess, right? It's a general rectangular shape of a reference card, but with upgraded cooling. So I actually liked that a lot.
Yeah, I do like it. So. So yeah, so those are like the all the cards and sapphires just like today as well, and will definitely tell you about that one. Um, and Intel had a little bit of news this week about their GPUs. And it's, I would say it's expected. So, Roger Hockenberry who was formerly formerly at MD, he's now Intel's chief architect and senior vice president of architecture, software and graphics. It's a long title. He went on an interview on a Russian YouTube channel called pro high tech to talk about a bunch of stuff. And the one thing that came out of it was that, you know, they plan to release their first discrete GPU at the $200 price points. And Raja said, GPUs for everyone, like, I can't think that they're gonna be like, a mid range solution at $200.
I don't I don't strategy.
Yeah. Is it in when has Intel put out a affordable product for everyone? I mean, they haven't.
And I don't know a long time. I don't think that's the place to start, necessarily, with your first GPU. That's like, like, bringing out you're showing off your team and being like, Yeah, but we're just we're here for the competing the pros, but we're just mediocre at best.
And everything's already had a turd. They hired all these people. Yeah, they want to reach out to gamers they want to, you know, and the biggest thing is, it's like, I would say, I mean, it's always been like the most popular cards have been 970 1070 2070. Probably
the nearly high performance card.
It's like right now. It's like this $400 card, or maybe five, you know, well, yeah, that's just inflation. Yeah. But you know what I mean? It's like $200 is not, I don't know.
But he's not enough. It's not enough of a card. That's Yeah, that's what it is. And like, I don't know why, but Well, I know why. Cuz he comes from IMD. But it feels very, it feels like an old school AMD decision to just shoot for shoot for nothing. Yeah, so I don't know. Maybe they're having more trouble with it than we imagined.
Yeah, I don't I don't know. But it's kind of disappointing, because I thought and most people thought like, it would be a mid range card like a 2070 or even 2060. Like that type of performance for the first card. Like that makes sense.
Yeah. Not a not a 10 ATP. 30 frames per second card. Yeah. Okay, maybe a little faster than 3060. Yeah, yeah. But still, I mean,
yeah. So Well, we'll see what happens with this. But I mean, that's kind of I don't know, I was kind of excited. But now I'm not so I don't know.
It's a it's a move that interest to the backburner type of announced type of thing to come out, like, Oh, okay. I guess if something really big comes out, I'll pay attention, but no longer looking for news on that. Yeah.
But also talking about GPUs, the guys over at Tech power up kind of found out that, you know, they they're the guys who run who gets created and in maintain the GPUs, the software, and going through the software and updating that they realize that the there's actually three skews for Super cards, and to the skews match old, like, you know, because a 2060 Super is based off of a stock 2070. And a 2070. Super is based off of a stock 2080. So basically down, right? Well, they have the same device ID, which make people think that possibly, you could flash the card, so you can flash a 2060 Super and technically make it a 2070
or so then it wouldn't be cut down. It has to be the full silicon.
So yeah, so
I mean, possibly, this is the world of the internet and things happening all at once. No one's done this yet.
nobody's done it. They said there might be some type of like resistor on the card that blocks it. But nobody's tried. It sounds like a simple soldering task. Yeah, um, but it's, it'd be kind of interesting, because again, a lot of people have, like, have noticed that like, you know, they I don't know if that image was fake of the E VGA. 2060. Super that like when you took off the sticker and telephony 70 on it. Probably. Yeah. So if it is just like a BIOS flash, I mean, that's pretty cool. Right? That used to be a thing like that would.
MD especially. Yeah, there was some Nvidia cards you could step up to? Yeah.
So I think we'll hear more about this as as, as time goes on, people try it. I haven't heard anything, since we talked about it. But it's it's a at least based on, you know, it's based off of that card. Technically, I mean, the chip. So it could be possible. We don't know if it's possible, possible. You know what I mean? But that'd be kind of cool. If you were able to do that, obviously, you've all your warranty, I would think but, uh, a good little bit more performance. And,
I mean, in theory, you would avoid it. If you did break it. It's tough to sit. I mean, it's just a firmware flash. There's not gonna be anything probably anything to recover for on their side. So they're just gonna warn to you still probably,
yeah, thank you make a good point. So who knows? But we'll keep you updated on that went to it kids. Yeah, tell us if it works or not. Yeah. So uh, before the the X 570 chips at launch, we heard rumors of an X 590 chipset. And the they were denied and when when x 570 launch there was no x 590. And when I was with AMD, I specifically asked them about it and they said there is not one but according to aces there is in their internal documents, they have a prime x 590 Pro and ROG Strix x five nine DE. Now there are two theories to this. One is that they that MD was going to release two chipsets, x 570, which featured PCI Express three point O to make it more affordable. Or they were going to have x 590, which featured PCI Express 4.0. And they're more expensive. But I guess possibly the decision was made, we'll just keep x 470. And those in will continue to support that. You know what I mean? It makes more sense. I would think that too. Because you wouldn't have double boards. You know, like an X, you know, just like you said, like a like an X 590 Pro X 590. Pro next five Semi Pro. Like, instead of having 12 motherboards from a sushi, you'd have 24.
That's creating more consumer confusion.
That's the possibility or and I talked about this before is that maybe x 590 is for the 16 core processor that's coming out that has better VRS that has just just made specifically to support that chip, if that makes sense.
But why would they need an entire new chipset? I don't
know. Yeah, so but at least according to ACS and their internal documents, this this does exist. Like, they're these boards are called this.
So I don't know,
I guess I would, I would lean and I could be wrong very shortly too. But I would lean more towards this big. Something that exists that at one time and they decided not to go that route. I think your original theory is probably more
Yeah, that one makes more sense to me. Just because like yeah, like they knew that x whatever, you know, they knew that putting PCI Express 4.0 was going to make things more expensive. And you kind of as a business you juggle with Okay, like, Are people going to pay 253 50 for mid range board? I mean, you know, so and I think that it finally came down to the decision of you know, and maybe companies like ACS and other like they were preparing two versions of the same board, one with PCI Express 3.01. With 4.0. We don't know.
I mean, if it was ever even a discussion, they'd have to get on it right away. So
yeah, but also they did. It was really said, Hey, Suze, is working on their Zenith to extreme, which is going to be for the next generation of thread rapper and that boards sick. So that's something to look for, too. If you're, you know, possibly get into thread Ripper, the sort of number 3000 series, that's something to look forward to as well. So
we're just thread rubber curious.
Yes, yes. A new case was actually released to me yesterday or might have been today. And I recently want to talk about it is because we've seen so many tempered glass cases that don't have proper air cooling. And they just don't, they want that tempered glass front look. And they might have like an intake on the side or the top or the bottom. But having a proper front intake. Like that's what you need for proper airflow, especially if you're doing like multi GPU stuff. You just do. So fantastic has come out with their Eclipse p 400. A. It is a you know, standard mid tower, but the front is mash, and it has fans behind it. Which of course gives you good airflow. And it's a relatively inexpensive to, they have two different versions at p 400. There's a that comes with two black fans, which is 70 bucks. And then they have one that comes with a digital RGB controller and three RGB fans for 90 bucks, which I think is a really good deal considering you get three RGB fans.
Somehow. Case. Yeah,
it's just Yeah, I just think like, why haven't Why is there not a case like this? Like, we haven't seen one?
Yeah. I don't know. Why, because everybody is different. Everybody is so stuck on temperate glass right now. It's just insane. Yeah, I'm wondering if we, I suppose will bounce back just because they'll be bored with things to design with, but it seems to just be here now.
Yeah, I think like I said, this case still gives you the ability to, you know, show off your whole system with a temporary gloss and everything like that. And it's it's under 100 bucks. You getting three RGB fans with it? I mean, that's a plus to me. Yo, vertical GT Mt. I don't I think y'all. But it is possible in this case as well. So So yeah, check it out. It comes out in mid August. So it should be next couple weeks, you should be able to pick it up on Newegg, and Amazon. So yeah, definitely check that out. And the biggest story of the week, which we kind of teased earlier in the episode, big rumor put out by WCCF. Tech, hoping so they're kind of sometimes they're hit and miss on their leaks and rumors and stuff. But
I would say they're more accurate than they're not though. Correct?
Correct. They do since sensationalize things a lot though I would say that. But the rumor is that AMD CEO Lisa Sue, will be leaving AMD. And to put it out right out there. She actually reply to them on Twitter and said No, I'm not. But you have to think of one thing is she's the CEO of a company and she cares about the valuation of the company. Yeah. And if word gets out that she's leaving, and she doesn't deny it or, or anything. I mean, the stock price is going to go down. So as a CEO, you don't want that to happen. Anyways,
right? And I almost even wonder if she's bound by her contracts to continue because her Their job is to drive the stock price up. So yeah, like she's legally required to do that. So I wonder if that would you know, she's got she has to, you know, claim otherwise? Because right up until the end, she's responsible for that. Yeah, I would say that like, yeah, this does sound sensational. When you first hear it like, Oh, of course not. It sounds like total rumor. But a lot of rumors coming from MD have been pretty spot on. Like, yeah, almost everything has been accurate.
Yeah. And so the rumor is that she's I'm the CEO, and president of IBM,
which is a huge role. NASA not necessarily in our actually not even really in our space at all, in the in the enthusiast, but IBM that's a big company. Yeah, that is very big company morphs AMD.
And this, according to the rumored something that she's wanted for a long time. And UMD is going to be or they just did, announced their epic Rome CPUs. And that's, again, according to the rumor, she will leave the company when those launch in the fall. And it's suggested that Rick Bergman, who was the CEO of synaptic who just returned AMD, a day before this rumor came out, he will replace her when she leaves, he came back to be the head of PC and semi custom business. That kind of makes me think this has some validity to it. Because he's the one who is rumored to take her place, he leaves his CEO position at synaptic to take a lesser position at AMD, not something
you normally see.
Yeah, he previously did work at AMD. And then he left to join synaptic, but now he's coming back. So maybe, again, they say, come back. You know, Lisa is transitioning out, you're going to transition in? It's all possible.
Right? It's a much better system than just outing someone. And replacing Yeah, it's the role of CEO is to its extensive, right. Yeah, the depending on the company, but in general, generally, its extensive and to not have any missteps In the meantime, would take a lot of catching up, right around the time that we're talking about here. So
yeah, so I think this is I get this a 5050. I think that it's entirely possible. I think that it's also I mean, with the momentum that AMD has had, as CEO, I wouldn't want to leave. But I mean, if you think of it in another light, is the momentum. It's she's at the top still. It's not Yeah. So this is this is when you step off to get that better thing that you couldn't have gotten, and maybe a couple years ago, probably. And maybe, you know, she like that opening is coming up at at IBM. And that's maybe that's again, something that she's wanted for a very long time. And she had to make the tough decision, like go for something that I've wanted, like for a very long time and leave something that I've been building for a long for a while. Yeah, you know,
probably just as long.
Yeah. So I guess that I I feel it's 5050 obviously, you know, falls coming up. So we'll see as we get into, you know, October, November. Yeah.
See what happens. Very interesting. We've seen a lot of top players at AMD leave. So
I mean, and I think that's a lot of them, them using that success to springboard to positions that would not have been previously available to them? Yes, I stay with AMD, because they're on a run, and it could continue, but it could also, you know, they can also fall back. So and maybe Is it is it telling even add another rumor to it that, that they're not as excited for future product lines as we would think they would be?
Yeah, I mean, that could be a to, you know, because again, especially when it comes to the CPUs, like yes, you completely redid your processor, so you have that massive IPC Lyft you know, but that, you know, in now the, you know, second generation was, was good. Third generation was really good because you have PCI Express 4.0, and you did the game cash, but like, as these generations of rise and go on, like, Is it going to become the 100 megahertz increase?
Yeah, already kinda sorta did. It's not I mean, it's not faster o'clock, four o'clock still? Yeah. So, I mean, and they've, they've taken that step into, like, the motherboards, for example, being so expensive, they taken that step into that Intel direction. So who knows? I could see I could see it going either way. But I see them moving more towards a less value in the future, compared to where they're, and I don't blame them. I mean, they've they've done the right thing and undercutting pricing, but you know, the cost of margins. So like you want to grow the business, you're going to want to increase those margins. But obviously, the trick is this, the curve that you take to do that, so maybe, yeah, maybe there's less in the pipeline, then then they'd like us to think. I don't know.
I guess like I said, the only thing is, he's got to wait and find out. Obviously, if we hear any more rumors, or anything solid comes out of this, I mean, will obviously let you guys know, but this is pretty big deal. I mean, Lisa Sue has been the face of AMD. And pretty much all their massive launches. She does the keynotes. I mean, that's a big stat. That will definitely hurt their stock price.
Yeah, more more than this last quarter. Its results did.
Yeah. Yeah. So like I said, We'll keep you updated on that. And that's like huge news if it is true, but again, I get 5050. And we'll just kind of see where that goes. I get 65 Oh, 65. All right. Alrighty, well, that leads us to what we have coming up next week. And I'm going to just say that next week is graphics card week, I'll be taking a look at 2016. Super, we haven't taken a look at any. And I'm going to be taking a look at gigabytes RTX 2060 Super gaming OCHG. This is factory overclock. It comes with a three fan cooling solution has RGB lighting, not about hard, like I said, should get decent performance, you know for what it is. And I'm excited to take a look at that. And we'll also be taking a look at some other graphics cards. That's all I can say about it. But if you have listened to this podcast up until this point, you can guess what those other cards might be. But I'm excited to take a look at those as well. Because Yeah, pretty easily. You should be you know, yeah. should be able to figure it out. But yeah, we take a look at those. And like I said, next week we will not have a podcast because I'm going on vacation. I rarely take a vacation but I pretty much for five days I will I will not be on my computer. Barely checking email just going on vacation so
good for y'all.
Yeah, I feel like need it. I think that I've gotten incredibly like not burnout but just like crazy overworked with the X 570 stuff in and all that and then dealing with I mean, we have a lot of review review requests coming in and like just I have a little there's a lot of products here and just a lot going on. And then as we get into end of August, September, you get into holiday season, you're getting all new case launches on you know, all that stuff, you know, up until we get go to CES. It's just crazy. So I'm really happy that I'm just going to take a week and just relax. And all that so so yeah, if you're looking for the podcast next week, it will be the following week likely that Tuesday or Wednesday so so yeah, so uh that's the the other podcast we're talking about. If we did anything cool or tech related or saw any cool movies or have any suggestions for anything, did you do anything this this past week?
Yeah, I actually watched that show Sam. no intentions of it. But I'm not. I just want to watch a movie and I couldn't find anything. So it's like, All right, I'll settle on this. And it was interesting. I knew nothing of it going in. And I don't know give it like a set seven out of 10 it was good, but it felt like a kid's version of Deadpool almost so interesting to watch, but like not quite there for me. Yeah, I
I started watching Pokemon. And I just turned it off. I just I just
that bad. It just
I don't know. It just wasn't it didn't keep my attention. So I turned it off. Yeah, that's all I gotta say. That's it. I bought I bought a some new camera gear. We'll talk about it next week when I get back from my trip that I bought that stuff for the trip. Yeah. So yeah, so that's that's it guys. We will close things out here. As always, we have our full show notes page that has everything that we talked about all the links and everything like that. And if you're looking for us on your favorite podcasting app or website or software, it's just think computers all one word. So until next week, catch guys later