Hacking ISO Shipping Container Corner - Mobilizing a TEU in a Way You Never Imagined
12:54PM Jul 28, 2020
We are hackers on planet Earth. What an amazing few days we've had we're starting day four. Right now, it's going to be a fantastic talk a physical hack something that sometimes in the virtual world or sometimes in the software world today or even going beyond the hardware world and we're getting into some big hardware it's very exciting. Before I tell you about that let me mention the E FF fundraiser. This is linked at the top of every page, and we're going to do it today we are going to kick that fundraiser goal into the past and work towards our next goal in the future. Hackers on planet earth and 2600 magazine are grateful to all the great work that the FF has done continues to do on behalf of our online civil liberties, the link is right at the top, www.koco.net. Let's welcome next missionary in the Schicchi. He is an artist and researcher based in Rotterdam over in the Netherlands has done a whole bunch of things that we'll hear a little bit about today is going to be all about shipping containers. Welcome, canary in Michigan.
Hey, my name is Yoshi Nowinski
I'm a Japanese out this based in. In the Netherlands. Today I'm going to talk about my project punching container which is a manual system. Completely mind system that allows one person to move an entire full scale, 20 foot container by themselves. How neath a possum like myself could have. Pull off project like this without any engineering background is that the topic of my dog. Are you ready to roll container hacking ISO shipping container cola mobilizing at you, in a way, you never imagined. This tea you, some of you may not be familiar with this term, this actually stands for 20 foot equivalent unit, which is the most typical container that you find on the street. So what I did was to come up with a process to allow one person to move or roll, an entire out full scale container, by themselves. Why do I have to like make a system basically thought you may wonder, but there's a system or story behind this concept. This is the smallest container ship that you can possibly imagine. Which is carrying only one container on board, and it's all to sail and zero emissions, since June 2020. We now. Three of us as a team, and an assistant professor Giovanna do ANOVA, and Professor lowland diversity, both from technology University of Delft. We became a team to seriously develop this concept and basically if there's a such system carrying one container on the vessel. It means I can come way closer to urban populations because it doesn't require any kind of Port facility anymore. And if it drops off a container to a nearby waterway. We also want to carry out the last mile delivery of this container, zero emissions, there's a number of ways that you can possibly do their emissions container transportation but I tried to sort of develop a novel way to do it. So that was basically the Hunton container project was about the Why do I have to make such a small scale container shipping system that is because the current mode of shipping is becoming colossal, which means they're carrying more than 20,000 containers on the vessel, and they are basically sort of dictating, as it gets clustered, and it becomes bigger, that means actually there are fewer shipping companies that actually saw dictates the whole shipping industry. We then sort of came out with the exact opposite approach to the current mode of shipping for a number of reasons, but one of them is to solve the trade biases, between Asia and Europe or the states, basically the stripped down some stuff to carry from China to Europe or the states or western country, but not much carry back to Asia, from Europe or the states that means Actually, there are a lot of empty containers, being carried by Danish ships with this kind of information, of course, of financial because it affects the shipping rates. No one wants to share with you how many empty containers they're carrying on a vessel. But not only that, the bigger the vessel, the more costs to the infrastructure, and this is covered by public money. So this is something that shipping operators, don't pay, and then they claim that they're actually saving a lot of money of course you do, because you're not paying for it. So they kind of cleverly playing with externalities, and just the claim this economies of scale and, in fact, there's not so much benefits that you can get out of this scale anymore. According to OECD report on the impact of connection. We urgently need to make a new model ship in this technology available in autonomous shipping, and this is increasingly of discussion is happening around how sailing technology from the sport sector can be applied to tackle shipping. If the vessel was so small, then possibly can harness the wind in a better way. Then the bigger vessel, even if it's a cargo crustacean so that is sort of basically the reason why we're sticking to the smallest unit. But anyway, so I'm going to carry on with this how I roll container. So the inspiration comes from this guy and go ham and brown x from k u Leuven. She's a Catholic University of Leuven, they have quite a good engineering department, I had met him, a number of occasions at conferences in the Netherlands, and he's in micro robotics, and I was asking him as a professor. Have you ever thought of a system that helps one person will realize one container. And then he said, Yes, but he said at the same time, but any design depends on a lot more than just the requirement to be able to move one to you. So, it is impossible to give a summary. But I'm a kind of person who just keeps asking questions, so I asked him, again and again. So what would the system look like, although he said, we cannot give me the summary, actually he didn't reply back to my emails, but still sort of somehow triggered my imagination because this sounds like almost like the sci fi when a serious scientist says something that I thought would be impossible is possible, based on that, and a lot of imagination and I wrote an application for arts funding from the state for them. And I successfully secured 10,000 Euros, which is about $12,000 I think which is quite a lot of money, and I'm trying to collaborate with researchers from Belgium, there I heard this small port in Belgium port port of austender, they somehow hosting a conference on the electric boats in the south of the Netherlands, and I heard that some of the researchers from this hemmens colleagues, coming to the conference so I went joined the Conference Board which is free to talk to them. And what happened was that they sought the amount of money I secure 10,000 euro was just so small, because, again, talking about the scale, the scale of funding in scientific research and artistic research, the huge gap in between. So, the 10,000 euro. In fact, was almost next to nothing for those researchers, so he's just basically said, Well, what can do with it I can can do almost anything with it. They actually said they will not so willing to collaborate with me, partially because of the limitation in funding, both at the same time, the concept of moving one container to the last month deliveries location within this limitation to one person, and song that sounded, maybe too ambitious for them or something. So I have to sort of take different approaches and made this diagram of evolution. So I had this first system in my mind autonomous system that follows the human like a dog. That's exactly how I wrote in my funding application, and that was approved somehow. And then there's some manual system to lift up a container to this robot system so that came for me like a dog, but from this point, I first turned to
a bank approach. So this is some using some level systems and so on. Also turn to some sort of proprietary existing system, combining some kind of bike, and also container moving system. And of course this is that could be the most boring way but there's a proprietary content Laura, that can be attached to the bottom of a container, thinking just stop pushing or something, and then talk about
And I hit this something called pungent run, which actually this name panting container comes from. This is never used, World War Two weapon, developed by the British Army. I'm going to talk about it a bit.
And this is how the content looks
so neglected by literature's from Belgium, I started to look around the distinct system on the street and in supermarkets in those places. And this is in German supermarket Aldi so they're using such a system, I think some of you have seen such system to move around, stuff to stuck up shelves in supermarket, and this is like a wave, unitized, something's, in this case this is the toilets, put together to form some sort of unit, out of it, so it looks like a container. So you can unit eyes, something like beer is as well. In this case it's called cans of 500 milliliters beer perfectly fit into this and find this banal looking tool. But when I look at it, amounts of stuff that can it can carry as well. It can carry up to 2500 kilograms which is actually 2.5 times an empty container weighs 2.3 tonnes. So this means that this using this tool, which actually costs discounted $643 and 50, in theory you can already carry you know that that was a sort of good start. Then I went to this festival in the north of Netherlands international cargo festival to see this very specific system, the barrel for carrying pallet with the back. Sound System palette is on the ground, and then you insert something, and you use the lever system to put it up, and then that's to the back.
I consulted with a guy called Ollie Palmer, who was involved with this logical open sale or pro day, selling drone that's made for collecting spilt oil on the ocean, but that was more like a proof of concept well they developed some sort of prototype and then this guy who was mainly developing the project, did a TED talk and got some sort of establishment and so on. Anyway, the old he was working for him as an engineer, it would be a good person to consult with because it's related subject, and he suggests that I could possibly go for some sort of bite method to move a container in some sort of use endeavor, or sort of he made some points about this interesting bike company called number five unexplained from Amsterdam, I visited his studio, this guy called JP, and he basically explained to me how a bicycle works and how a bicycle does work with carrying a container, basically, because in order for a bag to function, you need a certain amount of velocity from the beginning to put the bike straight, otherwise you need something like tricycle, which I did not really want to use. He convinced me that bike doesn't work, but I also saw an interesting bike and developed by a Swedish company called below. It's also used by DHL, it's a recumbent four wheels bike electric, and it is another company and found a Swedish company called windlass, which develops proprietary container carrying equipment, therefore wheels but this basically can be divided into four different parts, each of which fits into the bottom corner, a container to allow container to be basically move up and sort of, again, surface currents, things. So by combining these two concepts, you could possibly make a system like this, and it kind of looks right and sort of can be cool, but at the same time I thought Oh, Where's invention in this, you know like, I'm just using proprietary systems I'm just you buying something that's already been developed by other people. That's not interesting enough for me. Anyway, both companies the the love and doing lives. They did not support my project I couldn't afford their bike or their system so that is also the financial burden that stopped me from going into this direction. There's a whole idea of turning to animals such as a horse to pull up there. But this also didn't quite materials. There's a company called a sea box, they developed a proprietary container cluster, that can be fit into belong there. But then a friend of mine who studied physics, told me that there's too much, rolling the distance to perform enough force to pour push a container. So basically you cannot just pull or push it up then it because just, it's the resistance is too high. That's why I learned. And during this time I'm discovered this concept called pungent drum so this was game changing because why did I not think about actually, the rolling the entire thing. Instead of putting the small wheels underneath it. So that's like a game changing comes up. This actually turned out to be and then we used British World War Two weapon. That was meant to destroy Germans on the beach, there's a video by Imperial War Museum, and its explosives attached to wheels and a rolls and the explanation said it never went straight. Therefore, it was never deployed, inspired by the form of speculation I thought, rolling could be really interesting for container. This also could be quite spectacular works. This is the very initial drawing that I made. Then also came up with the idea of using inflatables by switching the level of air inside each back, possibly can sort of kind of make a sort of tabular like movement to initiate some kind of rolling movement for this project I kind of knew from the beginning that working with scale models, probably would not work. Because at the end of the day, what I'm really dealing with is a real object, it's not it's not like the miniature object. And in order to move a real object. The system has to function with real parts. So, what I'm already sort of interested in is how real container actually looks like. So I found this container on the street of Rowan eriko cool sinkhole. The owned by big, Dennis shipping company. I don't know why this container was there, but I measured the whole dinner, and I found something interesting, which was, In fact, each container had slightly different sizing. It's due to the damage to dinner and answer. Oh, that's understandable because you know if you carry a lot of stuff in a container of course it gets deformed then therefore, each container has a different slightly different size, they could be a few millimeters, but it can be quite fatal. If you're developing a system to run a container so that really made me think well. In what way I can actually make a flexible system that can be adapted to any kind of standard container. So it's kind of sounds strange but standard container also sort of decides berries and that's why I also discovered within the container, the most important part. Some people said, is the corner of a container. This is all certified, and he has three holes in a corner, and there are two types of different holes. The one and the top has a slightly different shape to the side pole of container, the hook, can goes into the top and lift the container. On the other hand with the brown container there to exactly the same holes on both sides and then the big one in the bottom. So that's the how, sort of container holes actually not all the same. They're different. This image shows how a real content is being used on the vessel with something called twist Look, this goes into a bomb container and if you see this lever and you use trigger the lever and then gets locked and trigger the lever, and it gets released. This is how container shipping works. If you're using a crane. You can also remotely control the triggering path to unlock or lock a container. So that's how to manipulate the container at the port. So based on the scaling over real container on the street, in order to make up sort of whale, out of the container for me like it was apparent that I have to utilize the container Commons library and best way is to utilize two holes out of identical. So I turned to this container parts company, cofund don't ask them on the form. Can I use two holes, over three holes and condenser corner, center taneous Lee, and if no TV, no one does. And they, they said they cannot do that. And I just wanted to find out that it's really the case. So they have a lot of mock up corners and I could test how the connection, could possibly work
site was requested to look into a container. This is actually wrong video, because this is using it the wrong thing. I'm supposed to use it in a whole
nother image that shows the real image.
She didn't work out it's this disinclined inside. So this concept could potentially work. And this is how the bomb, twist look looks like. And this one is the Cyprus book. An interesting I also found out that the, although the there's a lever embedded to bolt to smoking and it's more expensive, whereas the side twist look that functions completely so manually. It's way more expensive, the bomb twist lock with a lever. It costs roughly 20, euros or so puppets, and on the other hand decide which lock actually cost more than 100 euro puppy so I had to buy a fulfills that it cost me already quite a lot of money, the bond to swap is actually made out of different material to set twistlock. That means you needed some foundation structure to be welded in terms of steel structure. And this is the most basic HB what they call, which my friend architect Frank law suggested that should go for you knows, you know, of course all the building materials and he said this is just so small that it will not just collapse, to carry a container. So I started to speculate on how a container could possibly be rolled in what process and so I was trying to streamline, a process using drawing, and now at this point I finally made a scale model for the first time, specifically to see how a container can be rolled so not to measure the weight or anything else to how this process can be streamlined. So this is possibly the tipping point of a container rolling system, you will learn how to discharge a container from a truck with a time for 1889 lifting system, you should use two to three operators depending on building regulation and mounting winches recommended for weights, over 5000 kilograms.
A simple lock into the lower ISO corner completes the attachment.
The container is lifted simultaneously on both sides until it is clear of the vehicle,
know that that's the wheels. I was pretty much sure that the container needed to be lifted up to some degree, otherwise the bottom holes of the data, won't be exposed. I discovered this German company called hacohen, who produced this military level, lifting device. hyperice hackathon and they put me in touch with the Netherlands partner company, they sent me this brochure of the exact same system that was depicted in the video. I'm surprised by how expensive, the entire system is, it consists of four pieces, and all together costs nearly 10,000 euro, which is the entire budget on my project. So I asked them if they have a cheaper option, and they sent me another one. And that still cost more than 2000 euro which was still over budget. And I asked them again, or do you even have a more simple one, they said to me, finally this most minimal setting that costs, still 1000 euro. I asked for a sponsorship, or some sort of partnership, they said How come the company is not interested but at least they could round the price to 1000 hundred euro to show their support symbolic action so that's the, that was a price set also discover this company called mounting technology who develops vehicles salvaging lifting back. So it comes in different sizes. They normally use multiple of these bags to carry back fall off vehicles like this instance at the Boston to push back up vital potentially could use just one of them, because I can only afford one to roll container. So this is the streamline process. This is finalized but took me quite a while to really finalize it. So in one. There's a container and two you attach the cheapest 15 spindles into each bottom corner of container. Three, you complete three quarters of the wheel structured for you, pushing the lifting back underneath the container, and also proud of the lifting spindles so that the wheels it's turning on its own on the ground, and five, you start lifting this back, and then is tilting, and six, you make that upside down so that the bottom of this. Suppose, because I'm using the lowest level, lifting device that I could not lift up a container high enough to attach the bottom beam from the beginning. We're actually well for me personally, as an artist, it turns out to be aesthetically more interesting, having to flip up there to complete the system now really, that's my favorite part actually in seven, the wheels complete in eight you start rolling. Then again, by using the same lifting back. So this is the the assembling process. So one you have a complete wheel to you about the both wheels of a container so that the becomes again a three quarters of a wheel structure. And three, you somehow filled the container for you insert this lifting back inflated again. No, the catch container and five, you put the air out and sort of gradually coming down to the ground, and six you, that's the 15 spindles again to the bottom of the patina so that the the wheels is up from the ground, so they can start taking off the wheels, and seven, you have two spindles and eight. It's everything is gone. The process of de assembling was part of my thinking, because if you can assemble something really Bernini, and you need some sort of machinery to the assembly then doesn't make any sense so I wanted to make the entire process of assembling and disassembling the most needs to be manual, so this is the possible impacts that the container would have when it's released onto the ground. So this is one of the initial drawing of how the system can be built shows that already the how the connection, would function there, eight pieces in will, it's because it's going to be too heavy for one person to carry. If it's longer than, to some degree, so it's divided into eight pieces per wheel, and each piece is connected by this metal plate it bolts. There's some flexibility measure, taking in the connection, the way the holes of the plate, also on the beam, are slightly made bigger than the actual bolts themselves. I talked earlier, even standard containers sizes can vary slightly. So, this is how flexibly, the system can be adapted to each different size of a container corner. they're already the bottom twistlock and inside twistlock depicted in the image, but there's no way that shows how the wrist locks should be welded or connected to the structure. So I didn't look into further details about how the connection processor works at this stage yet to have to work out how the connection processor would function. So I carried out some testing my studio. How would this pressure works, when all the connections out sort of attached to contain a hole, a corner. And this is like when a pressure is put only horizontally. And it was quite loose two to two weeks tops are not colliding well just about not colliding inside. And this is only vertical forces put into the structure, that's the most probable sort of scenario. And then this moment, the entire structure became rock solid is solid it sort of shows that oh, this could potentially this locking system could function. So I use this software called Inkscape, which is a vector drawing software to make this flattening of the wheel, because I could not handle CAD software properly. This is how the corner, connection could possibly function there when I tested the real contender mocha Cola, and then real twist looks in my studio. They also measured, where this twistlock and inside was located within this container corner so that I can precisely plan, Millie level accuracy. I also tried to use this cat software, did not really quite work out bridesmaids can make this mock model in 3d. So I had this power should cut the bottom and container issue. So the two different scenarios I thought would be the case, the one is that equally divide all the beams, not equally divide precisely but the second one is actually just up in a horizontal way that it sounds better on the ground. So this is how the cutting line can essentially function. The blue line is the most general cutting line and the first one is the horizontal cut in line, cut up. Second one is the middle and third one is bottom and then, you know, of course the how you cut this will affects when its entire system is being lifted and tilted, it changes the rolling sort of tipping point of the system was really kind of took me a while to think, which method is best so in the end I came up with the most general way of cutting will be the best considering when containers been at a tipping position, possibly function the best. This is how this scale world right now I have the problem of whether the whole system that I design, could hold up itself or not, so I have to turn to civil engineering faculty have to left my collaborator put me in touch with this guy and co Milan Djokovic professor in steel structure, he initially said he was going to charge 300 euro per hour for the calculation, or the consultancy after that's over we tried to secure additional funding from support related organizations, and we managed to secure up to 2000 euros. And by this moment somehow Milan said that well, he doesn't want any money for this suddenly said that so he made drawings of how the system should be functioning and he actually said that the type of connection that I mentioned, is not a best type of connection except square ball according to him. He said, like a way of bolting in the bone could be the best, and I asked him, What are you going to do with gold sticking out at the surface, you cannot just leave it and he said, there's a way of using the bolt that sort of gets embedded into the surface, and this is sort of another drawing he made, which I may not quite understand so I make it into the drawing and ask him Do you actually mean that I like it the center sort of heaters yeah so she attaches the plate onto a surface of this world, in this little Bolton in two sides together. So he asked one of his PhD students to do simulation of how pressure is put on a wheel, when it's deployed load case one shows that we'll structure, something on its own. It's only three quarters of the world's because more vulnerable so he decided to actually calculate it in the most pessimistic scenario so the when it's standing on its own and logic is one the all the pressure goes up. It all gets to when it's upside down again the pressure goes up, and then in those good three hope this is correct direction. It shows that how, and will tilt it so when the pressure drops, but in the end I can Milan actually said that after all the simulation he actually said well in this red character in my basically claps, so please keep the safe distance away from the system when you fist it for the first time. All right. Okay, so that's it's good to know. So this is the finalized, drawing that I actually sent into my supplier in elst, in the east of Netherlands, who I was introduced to an art institute who I worked with, without this introduction, they would have been so difficult to find them. Also I could have been easily overcharged. Anyway, and trying to design the system in a way that saw simple for the most fracture, that they cannot make any mistake. They had another supplier to first bend the steel using cold bending the field, which has less tolerance. Someone said that actually there's only one millimeter elements, if you design something they most likely be turns out to be the same. I had trouble with the supplier about sticking to the deadline, that I gave him. They basically kept ignoring the deadline. This is so important because I have to book, The guessing site and you know if it's today they have to sort of rearrange everything my cost more money and stuff so I have extremely limited budget so I just kept telling them that I won't have to really, this is the deadline but you know sort of had to sort of pressure them. What I did was, it's company run by a couple, so when they're first thing in the morning before they arrive. I was already there in that office. So I gave them the feeling that this guy will not back off unless we do the job properly. This is something, sometimes I do as a sort of pressuring method to be present, really. And it worked out quite well and Someone once told me that I tend to wind up people, though reasons for just being somewhere. So, I'm good at. Somehow this irritation wherever it worked out and I got fire on their back or something. And this really started to Cirrus through walking, so that's the method worked out. But of course, afterwards the, I broke them some Dutch donors to the supplier to encourage them and so on so the, I didn't forget about also treating them in a good way. After sort of giving them some pressure. This is when I visited a factory. They're counting the place with waterjet, they designed this count for me because I couldn't, which is shame, because it is all the beams, and this is the connection that I designed, so they using this mock container scaling. This is how the entire sort of will look like. And this is remko from this company, he did a great job, you only finished in two days actually because everyone else was on holiday, and he was the only one who finished in two days. So, this is how we loaded the cement floor and Bradman's been unhappy with the result of all the beams. We also turned to supply co bolting technology, but it's lifting back and we put everything in Florida, we just put everything together and so florins parents happen to live close by two we went there for dinner and also they asked his dad to check the car, if it's not too heavy, run on the waterway and he said well, that'd be probably fine so we set it to go for it. So not only finding the right suppliers and providing them with correct drawings and planning. I also have to find the experiment side, which turned out to be quite difficult also because hiring space is quite costly in the Netherlands, I needed some degree of flexibility as my planning around completion, all the parts and getting all the past together, still looking to be sort of shifted. Luckily I made contact with the future mobility network which is facilitator of autonomous driving, and those experiments who, which I already had connection with I consulted with a guy called Alvin Baca, and he put me in touch with the denaturing ready who worked for resetera automated driving Delta, which was within this future mobility network. Eventually this premise took over, managing. And then finally, sort of, determined Jonathan from the green village they put me in touch with them. So I've got this experiment right next to the Hyperloop within the green village, the green village is a sort of experiment site experimental projects, housing, mobility related autonomous cars and so on so they host high risk projects so that also was suitable for me. In order to use the green village, which is within to left, I had to go through some bureaucratic process for my project to be registered within the system, and one of the documents I had to finish, was this research lab autonomous driving Delft this document, basically expanding about what the experiment is all about. And luckily there's a section, especially like this mode of operation. The vehicle tick the relevant operation that four options, because their research lab automated driving right so completely automated mostly automated, but not rotate over when they're required remote controlled joystick control manually, and they have this option for me completely manual. So that was the option at the makoko, and also have to fill in another document, provided by a research lab autonomous shipping, because they had something called experiment Safety Analysis, to have to roughly just give them. What kind of potential risks, and what kind of level of potential you know from my experiments, which actually had no idea about. So it was, it was quite difficult to actually make this document also have to make a research question out of my project, so I found this interesting term called cargo rotation, which doesn't mean about actually rolling the container. It means the how they can sort of locate empty containers, in a way that can be sort of utilized in the most efficient way so when the ship arrives somewhere then it leaves an empty container and how they can be so moved in different location for shipping some stuff, again, using the same container. So, etc. But it was kind of half joke. So, a novel method for cargo rotation and this is of course the cargo is rotating the literary so now awesome with. Anyway, my collaborator from Judah, he had a connection with a company called Katana which is a Rotterdam based, then hiring setting company, and they set it to sponsor this project which means I didn't have to
have to pay the transportation costs, and that saved me.
After the container was installed experiment site, we delivered all the equipment in tiny container, trying to be ready for the experiment next day. So this is the all the list of equipment that I had for the experiment 20 foot dry container, lifting spindle lifting back hose manual pump container will be made container will be MB m 12 volt, m 12 not amprobe washer Lada 30 millimeter wrench 30 millimeter 12 point socket 19 millimeter wrench 90 millimeter 12 point socket 20 millimeter to handle socket wrench extension bar, top ratchet wrench grant prediction mat scissor jack. So I have a lifting back here. And the pump and the other lifting spindle. All the tools that I needed, and the beams sight beams. This is how it was routed. And this is the bottom, twist lock, that's attached to the foundation structure that's portable. I mean you're trying to insert the one of the lifting spindles to the blank on the corner. The beam is designed to be about 25 kilograms, which was the legal limits, 1% ratio, you can carry in the Netherlands. Although the system was designed for one person. Ideally, you better have an assistant person at least one person. The process is way easier. This is the corner design. Does it played on only one side, because of the thickness of the plate is roughly, almost centimeter so this is quite heavy stuff so you don't have to put plates on both sides. Three quarters of the will complete. Insert the lifting back underneath it. Plus, the lifting spindles so that the roof structure is standing on its own on the ground, who starts pumping the lifting back and the lifting bag is functioning, this is, this bag is something that they call a low pressure back, which means the amount of energy that you put into the back, does not change as it gets bigger. So, but it's still quite labor soon so I suddenly got quite quiet and have to use the whole body to keep lifting in leeches the point of almost tipping and this view is quite spectacular, keep lifting bottom point is no glyph to animals have to kind of some people help, help me find to grow by just pushing, which I think is quite dangerous but ventually so you shift the cape shifting bag and just trying to make the den upside down like streamlining. And here, a hit, unexpected problem of fitting into the last part of the wheels to three quarters of the container wheels, because when when three quarters the wheels, touch, of course this is upside down this, or it's on the side, there's a lower pressure given to the beams and the steel is deformable so there's no enough space to be able to throw in the last part so basically how to release the weight from the wheel structure, so that you can put the wheels back on, but some of you may think this is not manual. That's correct. Because we're using a forklift, but there was a discussion you know we had a discussion whether this process can be also done manually by using a lifting bag, putting it back in the one side of the container and then do manually, and we concluded that this is doable but we didn't have enough time so we'd have to rely on this machinery, but provided up there was also doable manually, we carry on with this method, lift up and release the weight. So we had to use this car jack, unexpect the also some pieces of wood, to really push out the beams to make a tackle, tighten the bolts and then competing, but also that the rest of the bolt also had to be losing the game because it's about entire will, and so like if you tighten. One part of the wheel, the rest of the part doesn't just come together so like maybe they could use space for improvement in this how more easily. This will can be fit all together, finally ready for running a container.
And you start pushing and pushing and pushing and this takes absolutely ages. And this finally this moment came.
Next day, also have to the assembly process like I said earlier, had to be also done manually, trying to straighten the container wheel structure, and then using the impact as instructed in the process, and use as a catching back to catch it, and lift it back down onto the ground. And this impact was actually smaller than we than we expected so which was good. And finally, putting everything back into the container and that was complete. So thank you very much for my presentation.
I was fascinating. I was really impressed by the sheer leverage that we had going on with the, with the system. And I guess the first question, we've had some nice feedback in the discussion list. While, while we were watching all these movements of the container I think the first question is what's next you know what do you have for ideas for for next steps for this method for container
container. The first question is what's next, we have ideas for for next steps for this one.
Sorry, I was just reading the chapter.
Next process was. Alright.
So what's the question again.
What's next for the.
Yeah, okay. So, I'm sorry the discussion of the PC researcher from Ethiopia and get off.
And there might be application there actually. So, because if the okay apparently the neighbor works, completely differently to a western country. So, he told me that the more labor intensive. The Bella,
in that country because it leads to more employment. So,
you know, for example, of course I design system one person enemies. Of course I could we sort of, I was focusing on.
In the Netherlands or Western countries, the less people employed in the system, the better, because it's basically they still Costco, but they're like, maybe eventually, you can employ like five six people
for the system so that could maybe. Yeah, the government might be happy for it. So,
yeah, that could be one of the steps. Yeah so labor labor saving or labor shifting from machines to people, is the idea.
Yeah, their emissions.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, so I was curious, you mentioned a little bit of computational modeling that was done, bought by your colleagues for some of the load in steel, but I was wondering even early on, were you doing any physical modeling, whether whether it's computational or just pen and paper we're doing modeling of things like you know mass and wait load and that sort of thing.
I did not. So that's a that's a kind of I think it's strange maybe way of working, because maybe no and that's this is something.
Also like I sort of had a discussion with the someone who studied industrial design. And he just kept telling me that oh you need to make a scale model, and that is the only way to make system work and it just without you just keep thinking, you can never sort of make a system that actually functions, then when I was kind of doubting that method because in the end, I said in the video so like it's in the end it's all about the real connections, and the new connection doesn't work. What if the, the twist books collide inside the inner corner, then it doesn't work so it just is all about the real object so I kind of knew from the beginning I just kind of really sort of stick to the real object from the beginning and didn't make any kind of gamble.
Right. Interesting. You mentioned one of your colleagues at the university, helped you with those plates and the bolts and the counter sinking of the bolts, and so obviously there were some expertise there that you benefited from you're someone that knew something about industrial design. One thing I was curious about related though, is your choice of steel, your choice of materials and even those beings where those beams fabricated custom or where they rails and early rails that existed and they just had to bend them to like, extend
it these, you know, the. Also the friend actor guy told me that what if you, if a business develops a system like this, it would probably cost them five times more money to do that so but I you know as an artist I was limited budget and then somehow sort of
go for the cheapest, the cheapest cheapest materials from the beginning and condemned may make a mistake and analysis the community decision was quite apparent to, to go for this material and the because they said what's cheapest besides me. And then the weight was the problem someone told me that it could be like the made out of
titanium or something you know the quality and that's it's like the weight or you know like the stronger but of course he can afford it so it's something that's to make enough it's affordable, and also the yeah just material option was kind of made in this kind of way. Yeah.
You mentioned the need to have each piece be 25, kilograms or less and obviously they were later and then you have, you know, more efficiency, and labor setting them up. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, it's also the. That was the only problem with the money, sort of money. If you can be manipulated by human, hold on. So that's also you know because it was sort of human centered system so the. You have to state that otherwise the just kind of went for the best students materials then. Yeah.
The other thing I was curious about these are is rail transport, because obviously rolling along on concrete was not going to be, you know, it wasn't going to go as evenly as you wanted to. So, obviously, shipping container yarns do have rails for regular trains, you know, to bring things in and out, but we're really thinking that there would be a rail system that would be wide enough for this type of transport.
Well I mean they for me like that was the sort of,
except sort of question that I want to sort of ask, in a sense, the people. I think got the because I don't think the old streets should be dedicated to cars in the first place, because this they think about it the white, the reason why a container is shaped as, as it is, is because of how the lows laid out, you know, the, the old streets and roads are designed for the cars. So, as soon as there's no cars anymore. This they pick up, you know, they think the rose can be considered made completely different right like you know whatever the
reading the artistic field and you can just go across, you know, in whatever way you know like the way I say, yeah, I'm kind of looking far ahead in sense that the sort of
system can be somehow utilized, at some point.
So, yeah, I was thinking you mentioned Ethiopia and I'm thinking if they were if they were having a lot of labor to move containers and maybe they would put in a rail system with this wide width to accommodate the containers and more efficiently moving back and forth, that would of course. I think would likely reduce friction, as well, by having a rail system that I'm, I'm curious. I'm sure you got to see a number of containers and there is some variety in containers so you know two things one is some of them have refrigeration units that will that will shift the weight, you know, in other words, there won't be an even weight, and the other is a lot of stripping and trade containers have corrosion. You know, here and there and so I wonder if if you looked into sort of these types of variations and shipping containers for that would be a future activity.
To me, to make a system for different kinds of containers. So,
just the practicality if you have, if you have a shipping container that has refrigeration unit and it's not going to be evenly weighted inside inside and top to bottom, as an example.
Yeah, I think, I think, well,
I say well.
so I made, I made a system and I sort of was raised that way of working, but this is physical of course an index or appears all functional and everything.
But I made the system, in a way that sort of kind of it's not functional, in the sense. And that's exactly how sort of like to work, sort of, to keep sort of there how that's.
Keep you know keep keep this project is like sort of in a sense the.
That's the guy for you like that was the whole sort of point of working physical sort of MOOC so so realistic, because it's going to function but it's sort of, in a sense, the, it's,
it's fictional incense is a proof of concept. Yeah. Well, thank you, thank you.
It's been a fascinating discussion and, and the idea of having using the basic weavers and force and manipulation to move such a tremendous object I think was inspiring to us all. We're out of time I'd like to say thank you again. It's been wonderful having you and appreciate you being part of Microsoft planet Earth. Thank you about letting me