In a Box
3:59AM Aug 2, 2020
Well, here we are, it's the beginning of day nine of, of 2020. This is the longest hacker convention ever. And we're not saying that we're in this was saying that out of a sense of accomplishment. This is pretty damn awesome and we're so happy. Everybody is there with us. Right now we're going to be doing something really special. I want to introduce a good friend of ours Cameron glass musician. In fact, you all know him. You may not know you know him. But this is a guy who has composed the music and played the music that you have been hearing between talks ever since. The very Beginning. Cameron, I just want to say thank you on behalf of everybody for, for giving us such a pleasant interlude between between presentations.
Oh, man, thank you guys so much for giving me the opportunity to finally share this stuff I've been working on for the last couple years. This conference definitely exceeded all expectations, I think, at least on my end.
Well, you've been in the hacker world for a while now. In fact, we met you at a Maker Faire, which is pretty awesome. Yeah, that was cool. How did you get involved?
Um, you know, I'm not sure exactly where I started. I think I started sometime in middle school, just looking around the internet like everybody else. And I think it was one day when I was in Barnes and Nobles and I saw at 2600 that I felt like there was actually this community that I could tap into. So I started going to the the monthly meetings, the NYC 2600 meetings and I ended up making a lot of good friends and I've been hanging out with them ever since.
And this is, how many hosts Have you been to?
I think this is my third one. So your six?
Would you say? Would you say you've seen more or less talks then than previous hosts?
I think I've definitely seen more this time just because it's, it's the main event. You know, I
feel the same way. I feel the same way.
Yeah, I actually got the Seahawks still running around like crazy. But I'm running around on my keyboard instead of running around from room to room. So I have a chance to actually have something playing in the background. And I gotta say, Wow, have we always been this good? It's really riveting. Amazing, diverse. So educational. And, of course, all the talks are archived, so you haven't missed anything if you didn't see every single talk, but but wow, yeah, I'm completely blown away by the whole thing.
Yeah. It's it's amazing given our current circumstance, how well this turned out and just great job to all the volunteers who did this so quickly and in the presenters, and musicians and all that.
Absolutely Big thanks Big thanks to everybody who who's been involved in and
participated and attended. So Cameron, let's talk a little bit about your musical history when How old were you when you first picked up an instrument and what is great was that,
well, I got a credit to my mom where it's due, she did drag start dragging me to piano lessons when I was around five. And at the time, I wasn't so intuitive. It kind of felt like a chore. But then later in high school, when I started getting into like, different kinds of rock music, and I wanted to learn how to play bass, all of that music theory, knowledge that I didn't know I had kind of came, came to the forefront and helps me out. So definitely, it all started with piano and and helped me ever since.
Wow, amazing. And have you have you mastered any other instruments since then?
I definitely haven't mastered any instruments. But
I have an answer. Good answer.
Yeah, I have gotten okay at base. And I've been, since I joined this band a year or two ago, I've been getting pretty good at this certain synthesizer I'm using. So it's a Korg ms 2000 R, I think and it's just really fun to play with.
Have you use that for any of the music you've played for hope?
Well, the the piece you're about to see we'll have a little bit of it. Yeah. And the the worlds of this song that's on the hope soundtrack also has that so.
Okay, tell us about that hope soundtrack because we were announcing it before and then I understand people are really interested in it.
Oh, yeah. Well, I wasn't expecting to make one but since so many people have enjoyed the music, which was much to my delight, I decided I'd put it all on Bandcamp. So you can now find all the songs that are being used in between talks. I believe it's Cameron glass. bandcamp calm It's just the first thing that shows up. So, yeah, it's it's pretty awesome. How many people have been checking out the band camp in the last week or so,
Cameron, you should know this. There are people who actually stay up through the night to wait for us to switch the music to the next day's music. So, first to hear it. Yeah, it's amazing. I watched the comments and people are really into it.
Yeah, but there was one day where we had a couple of people who were a little perturbed. And that was Monday, because that was the piece that you know, that piece it gets faster and faster and faster. And some people I guess, on Monday morning felt that was a bit much. Yeah, I think
it was perfect. Yeah.
For me, it works. Yeah, some of the songs are a bit short. So when they are looped, I can see how it can get a little irritating. But yeah, I mean, if you want to check out other songs that haven't been played yet, or you want to see an old song that couldn't find out what it was. It's all in the band camp.
So awesome. So now this was the spring was your senior year of high school?
Right apparently, man, I don't know what happened.
Yeah, I mean, how crazy was it have COVID-19 just suddenly hit and and basically rob you of the second half of
your senior year. Yeah, it was ridiculous at first. And almost it felt a little bit like relief because it was like, Man, I'm so glad I don't have to go to school every day. But then it was, I think about a month or two after after we started locked down it was the realization came that like we couldn't hang out. We couldn't do anything fun. And so yeah, it definitely felt like we got robbed in some sense, but I think we're all gonna have a big party next year to make up for it or something. What are your
plans for the fall? Um,
just to prepare myself mentally for college I guess. I gotta
be virtual or
in person the first the first year is going to be mostly online classes, which for for some people, that's a big bummer just because a lot of colleges aren't really clear if they're lowering their tuitions or anything, so people feel like they don't want to pay the same tuition to take online classes, which is an understandable, worry. So there is a bit of a college frenzy going on right now.
Wow. Well, I wish you all the best with that.
Now in a box is the competition we're about to see. Now, I, we haven't talked about this. But I imagine in a box means it's about being cooped up in an apartment for several months. It's all right.
Yeah, you can say that. I think it's like a double entendre because I'm like, I'm in a box, right? Here's a box. But I'm also in your computer screen right now. So there's two boxes I'm in.
At least Yeah, I'm sure at least I'm sure I could count. I mean, I'm wearing boxers. I like to box. Uh huh. I like box.
Well, now have you been stuck inside since April? Have you been able to go outside or
I've been able to go outside, you know, safely just to get like, pizza or something, you know, but I definitely haven't been hanging out outside.
So how are you staying sane?
It's a good question, man every day, I wonder if I'm still saying, but I'm just managing with, you know, zoom calls are nice to talk to friends. And I've still been able to make music with my band just by sending files back and forth. So I'm still having some socialization
and projects working on things collaborating. Oh, yeah.
You gotta always grow.
Absolutely, absolutely. Great way to spend time.
Tell us about your band worlds. If,
yeah, so this is a band. I started playing with, I think a year or two ago, I met the drummer randomly outside on St. Mark's place, which was a really cool sort of New York's experience.
This was the guy that was in black market, right?
Yes, he was a drummer used to be in bark market and he's still doing awesome drum stuff. And I just got a great opportunity to start playing with these these two guys and I've been playing with them ever since.
That's awesome. Wow. Okay, well we're going to cut to work to in a box by Cameron glass. We'll come back afterwards we'll take your your QA in the matrix chat room, and there it is Kevin glass in a box.
Wow, that was in a box by Cameron glass and Cameron. That was That was incredible. And how long did it take you to put that together? Thanks, man. Um, I wouldn't say it took too long. It was kind of a an organic thing. So I would come back to it every other day or something and just add another piece to it. But I'd say it probably took maybe a week.
See when we talked about this about you doing some pieces for the conference, I figured you'd just be pretty much standing, you know over a keyboard and then playing music which would be great. But this visual realization that was something extra I really wasn't expecting.
Well thanks man. I didn't want to send in just a pre recording of me playing something I thought that was a little lame, but I did want to do some kind of mash up of all the different stuff I tried to make.
Yeah, we we love the effort with the graphics and visuals as well and just the the 90s kind of vapor wave video it just it's hilarious. I love what you did with it and all those effects over your imagery, just really impressive stuff. We love seeing it so glad you added that part. Was there anything
that inspired this piece?
Um, I'd say was partially inspired by what I was listening to it during the conference. Yeah, I mean, when I was in middle school, I probably listened to a lot more EDM or electronic music in general than in high school and I think the conference kind of rejuvenated my my love for like, you synthesizers electronic music. Yeah,
our mission is complete them. I mean, that's that's all I wanted to do work on EDM and it's like going to a German conference now. Yeah. All right then. Wow, that's a that's awesome to hear. Have you have you been watching some of the other musical acts?
Yeah, I have. There's there's just been only good ones which is like, amazing. I really enjoyed Polly in in frames and DJ sparks that was really awesome. And I think my favorite was the radio Wonderland performance by Joshua freed. He has just such a unique and cool setup, something I've never seen before. And it's just clear that he's, he's gotten so good with his setup that it's like part of his musical ability. It's really awesome.
Yeah, if you've never seen this, we highly recommend that he played a few nights ago. It's on the archive. And basically what he does Is he? He's in New York City, and he takes a radio and he basically tunes the radio and makes music out of whatever He hears on the radio. If I had to ask him one question, I heard w CBS News Radio 88 which is an am station, and then I heard one or 2.7 fm. So I'm just wondering At what point did he do the switch from am to FM? That's my only question. Good question. That's a mystery that
he did say that he prefers FM he does not like as much
unless he was using an HD Radio thing which has that station. I don't think
he did though. It was a pretty awesome he was particular about his boom box on box. Yeah,
but yeah, that's that's an example of just some of the some of the interesting, unique music that we hear.
I totally appreciate that transcendental transcendental like just that becoming one with the instrument because he's like, transcending his own creativity, like his own experimentation to just create and that has that like spontaneous element that like just completely It just takes you on this wild wild ride. It was really inspiring. We enjoyed that as well.
So people in the q&a room if you have questions for Cameron glass, looking at the window right now, I don't always look at the window. So if, if you have a question, and I see it, and it's a good question, maybe we'll pass it on to them. And if you type it faster, there's a lot of things on the screen here. Let's see. It was complaining about the connection here and there on memories and, and talking about zoom. All right, well, you know what, here you will this man, I've got another question for you. For camera here.
Do you have a process when you create music?
Um, it's it's kind of something that's not so clear to me. Like I don't really have a formula that I used to make songs. I usually just I think it always starts with improvisation. And just trying out different ideas, even if it's just playing with a guitar in your room by yourself like that. trying out different ideas is where songs start for me. And I just kind of follow the breadcrumbs to the finish line.
This is, um, you might many different types of pieces. And if you've listened this week, you've heard orchestral. You've heard just amazing electronic sounds. And you just play piano sometimes. So is there a particular style you're drawn to?
Um, I, I'm not sure if there's a particular style I'm drawn to it's definitely it's more like I go through different phases of what I like. I think over high school I started venturing into the world of punk rock and heavy metal and that definitely influenced how I make music. But at the same time, I've been exploring like, genres I never would have thought I would enjoy like funk and rap and all this, all this other stuff. So I'm constantly trying to get a larger music taste.
And how do you do that?
Um, recommendations from friends are nice. Having one friend who you can talk to about music is really
a nice thing in life. Well,
the question is who did the music? Look at your screen? It's right
there. I don't know, man.
Yeah, we're talking to Cameron glass, who, who did the piece called in a box on one person wants to know what what the visualization tool use was? Oh,
yeah. So I had a lot of fun with the visual effects. I actually originally saw this effect used on a Death Grips music video, and I thought it was like the coolest thing like I was in the matrix or something. So I figured out um, there's this app you can get called glitch Shea, I think is how you pronounce it. It's like glitch with an E at the end and There's a free version. It's a little limited, but I think you can use that effect.
I say. So when I was asking where can we see this video? Again? Good question. And you can see it in the archive once it's archived. So click on that. The archive button. I hope dotnet. And it'll show up probably sometime tomorrow, maybe overnight. And you can you can see it there to your heart's content.
Yeah, that's probably a good place.
Yeah. And of course, we recommend the the album on Bandcamp. I'll give it address again.
It's Cameron glass band camp calm. And I'll see if I can try to add the video to the band camp as like an extra content or something. That'd be cool.
Yeah, definitely. So now what would you say to? I know, there's a lot of young people out there who are watching and listening, who were into music. What would you say to kids that want to pursue music
on the Internet is your friend. I think that's that's my best advice. I I really had no idea about music production when I was 12 years old, but I had YouTube and I knew how to download software and really that's all I needed to teach myself how to get better at making music and slowly but surely I was so I guess my advice for any young musicians is don't doubt the ability of the internet to let you teach yourself things and don't wait for information to come to you. Hmm but
I mean there's also bad things internet will teach you that are wrong. So how do you differentiate How do you know yeah, this is the right road to go down this is a bad road to go down.
Um, I don't know man that's that's more of like a moral question but I feel like if you're looking for music production videos on YouTube, you're probably not going in a bad direction
are their inspirations particular artists are inspired by
it. It's a long list. I don't know if it would be that interesting for me to just list out names, but um, it's definitely from many different genres. I like a lot of experimental rock and electronic music.
Cool. All right. So you stuck in your house until this thing is over. Any thoughts of the state of the world, as we're pretty much asking everybody that?
Yeah, I don't know, man, it feels like it's hard to keep track. With the plot twists. There's just too many plot twists. And all I can say is vote, please vote. This is this will be the first election I can actually vote in. So that is an exciting thing, I guess. But it's also like them. It feels like the most important election at least in my memory. So it's a lot of pressure on this election. I want all my friends who are my age who just turned 18 to please, please God vote.
And that was actually one of my questions. Are you going to vote in November? I suspect you are.
Yeah. Don't sleep on this election.
Yeah, no, that's on the list of things to do.
And you have you voted before? No, I haven't been able to. Because of your age.
But I've been able to join the army for some reason.
You haven't joined the army. Have you?
Yeah. You know, but I say anything in the army before I can vote. So
here's a question from mod. What are some of your earliest memories of music?
Um, I'd say some of my earliest memories of music is probably just playing things from my parents that I wrote on piano when I was maybe like six or seven years old. My dad writes music and I really want it to be like him. So I would also write little songs on piano and I'd say that Probably my earliest memory. Very cool.
Here's another question. Is there a process to selecting a synthesizer? Or is it like a synthesizer doesn't make the musician the musician makes sense since
that's a good question. Um, I think having something with a lot of different patches to choose from is definitely helpful and just going through the list and seeing what sounds pique your interest, but almost always I try to customize whatever sound I select to be exactly what I want it to be.
Very cool. All right, we've been speaking with Cameron glass and watching his piece in a box. Again that address to get the special hope soundtrack album from Cameron West.
Cameron glass dot band camp calm.
Awesome. Any Any closing words?
Um, thank you all so much for around and enjoying the music and making this conference what it was meant to be, which is a fun and exciting, extremely long and extremely enjoyable hacker conference.
It's the longest hacker conference in history and I get anybody to prove it for us. Otherwise, it's an
endurance conference. Yes. And we're
under a where we're going to get through this and
there's at least one attendant who's been awake the whole time.
Oh, that's not possible. I don't think that's
healthy. Yeah, that sounds that sounds like a condition. Yeah, please, please.
Um, so your your final bit of music for day nine will be debuting at some point on our between talks. No need to stay up throughout the night to wait for that moment. You'll hear it tomorrow, between all the talks. And Kevin, I just want to thank you again. So glad to have you amongst us and I wish you all the best for your future musical endeavors and your your academic endeavors and just
life in New York City. Oh, man, thank you so much for having me and, and just thanks to all the volunteers once again, who made this possible and all the presenters who made this possible. It's been a really fun week for me and what otherwise would have been a very miserable period.
Very nice, well, lot of people and I want to thank everybody who came to the conference, especially all the people who presented at the conference, you've made this into a really magical period. And as Cameron said, an otherwise bleak period. I think we all really needed this. But now some of you might need some sleep. So okay, you can do that or programming resumes at nine in the morning, Eastern Daylight Time. So until then, we're going to take you back and you will hear some cameras music all throughout the night as as we play some announcements for you. Manual Kyle and Cameron.
Good night. Peace. Thanks
Thanks To pay me