#202 – Wildatarian, Sulphur & Fat Malabsorption with Teri Cochrane
7:42PM Nov 26, 2019
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Guys, welcome to the chief life podcast. I'm Matthias Turner and today I have Terry Cochran on the line. Terry, welcome.
Oh, so good to be with your audience.
So I mean, I'm really excited about this one new, the creative, Wild Wild Attarian diet and we're going to really dive deep into this one to find out where it came from and what it's all about. I think a lot of people have heard of veganism a lot of people had a carnivore A lot of people have heard of plant based and kind of a mix of all of the three but wild Attarian is another addition to it. And I'm really excited to kind of dive deeper into why wild meats wild foods are probably a better option for people to be having. So First of all, Terry, I think what would be a good place to start is like, give us a background on yourself. Like how did you kind of come? What was your life before voluntary and how did you come into the wild terian diet?
Well, I'd love to share that with you, Maddie. If you would have asked me 20 years ago, Terry, are you going to be a internationally known integrative practitioner pioneering some really cool stuff? I would have said no, I'm I'm operating a billion dollar organization running a risk management of multifamily portfolios with one of the largest companies in the US. But sometimes when life throws you what you think is a really big curveball, it really becomes a huge blessing. And so my son when he was born, by the age of three, we were told that he would not be normal that he would have brain seizures that he would not grow past by foot four we had we spent many days in the hospital many years in the hospital with life threatening asthma, bleeding eggs and my failure to thrive and went down the traditional medical route for years. And at one point, I decided it's not working. I'm a risk manager, let's figure out how I can manage this health risk. And so I went into deeply anything and everything having to do with food having to do with an endocrine system, why his body had had manifested in the symptomology that was just making him sicker with the medicines that he was taking. And so I figured him out, and he's now beautifully handsome, and well, 25 year old, this is this happened. He was three. And I left my corporate career 15 years ago, and over these 15 years, I'm an ever learner. And while the terian was actually born, from an end stage cancer client that was riddled with amyloidosis, these are truncated proteins. structures. And in his case, they had accumulated around his heart and two rounds of chemo. Sent him into congestive heart and kidney failure. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And he had been given his last rites and they found us. And I didn't understand amyloids at the time it was over eight years ago, but I had on my staff, a an expatriate of the National Institutes of Health, which is one of our top research facilities here in the US. And she genetics researcher. And so I, I tasked her with trying to understand what these misfolded proteins were, and why they were happening in our body. And so and I was doing independent research and we figured out my goodness are coming from the food supply. And within three months of understanding that adding putting him on he was my patient zero while the tyrian his light chains, which are a marker of the cancer he was having more normalized Wow. And so it was really beautiful. And he was able to then restart his chemo, and he is living and riding his bike to work seven years later. So this is the genesis of wilda tyrian. Yeah. And you start seeing body with these things that feed us into very bad outcomes. The body can result.
how diverse was the diet compared to what he was having beforehand?
That's a great question. So with most chemo, chemo depletes protein stores. And so he was being asked to eat a very rich protein diet post chemotherapy. Well, the protein that he was being asked to eat primarily chicken, because it was deemed to be a clean protein. We now know, through clinical studies, and actually the clinical outcomes in our practice that chicken I call the dirty bird, at least in the United States here. It contains the highest amyloid load of domesticated animals, and it's because of their crowding conditions, the crowding Conditions create an environment for these animals to create these misfolded proteins in their bodies. When we ask them, we then can no longer digest them. And the studies that have Cambridge in Japan have linked these amyloids to contributing to cancer to kidney disease to autoimmunity to Parkinson's to als to Alzheimer's. So, this was really an interesting place for him that his kidney failure and heart failure. Initially we had to make him very plant based, but his plant also had to be low mycotoxins. So the pea protein which is also given in in cancer therapy was no bueno for him because that's a toxin that was actually feeding the amyloid load which was then feeding his situation. Wow. And we we eventually realized that the amyloids were actually tripping a virus called the site of megillah virus which actually creates all sorts of cancers are contributes to the creation of cancers. And so we went from him being vegan because he had such delicate structure to then we slowly started moving him into some like fish. And then he was able to eat some bison and venison and then lamb which is so important for the the college and because of the conjugated linoleic acid. Lam is so is so rich in that. And so he became a low sulfur wilda terian because sulfur, those healthy foods such as kale and broccoli and cabbage are actually hurting his system as well. Yeah, he's he's just a really beautiful story of nothing is impossible.
Yeah, yeah, that's incredible. And I mean, there's so much that can really be unpacked just there. Maybe if we could dive a little bit more into the amyloids like maybe just explain for the listeners like what, what are the words and why why should we kind of be, I guess, paying attention to them.
So amyloids actually, our bodies make amyloid Naturally, they're part of our homeostatic mechanism for managing inflammation. But when we consume or make more amyloid amyloids than our body is supposed to break down or can break down then we're in trouble. And so amyloids are misfolded proteins and why our proteins so important proteins, basically the genesis of life, it helps build tendons, our hormones are neurotransmitters. It helps with all of our endocrine systems. Protein signals DNA. Yeah. And so have these average proteins. The body doesn't understand them. So our signaling mechanism becomes impaired. And that is the fire starter for an epigenetic expression. Meaning that it trips our genes into behaving not the way they're supposed to behave. Yeah. So again, these these amyloids have now been linked to the To contributing to these very large, scary conditions that cost, you know, billions and billions of dollars a year in health healthcare, diabetes is another one.
Yeah, wow. That's a definitely insightful. And I mean, like you said, it's pretty much every enzymatic level, we use proteins, right? Like everything within the body. And so many people think, like, obviously, within within the vet, sorry, vegan and vegetarian, well, even the plant based world, like they still have a focus on proteins to probably know as much as what they potentially should do, I think. And we typically see after like three to six months of people going vegan or plant based that they do laps, and that's when they need to really kind of focus in on Okay, well, what's going on where the protein is going wrong? And what do we need to be focusing on to make sure that everything's going to move forward and not be upsetting the body instead? You also talked about CLA before it, what happens if you were to take a synthetic variation at that level? Would it not be be the same as if you were to take it from, say, lamb.
conjugated. CLA is a wonderful, essential fatty acid. It's so important for our cell membranes and why are cell membranes important in our physiology and who we are is that we now know. And I was just, I just spent some time with the magical Dr. Bruce Lipton, who's considered the father of epigenetics, who's written a book called The Biology of Belief, who is world renowned in his genius. And we were talking about just this the protein signaling and actually, why the cell membrane is so important. It is now considered, as he said, Hey, guys, the word brain is in there. So it is actually the brain of the cell. And so the cell membrane is actually made up of the fats that we have consumed over the last 90 days. And so if we are consuming trans fats that that can't be broken down. Then the summary membrane becomes brittle, and what I call and selectively permeable and when we want the cell membrane to be, we want it to be really smart. And we want it to be selectively permeable, meaning only let in that which helps it be stronger and keep out like, like a kind of a balloon, it'll pop away or not let in that which doesn't serve it. And so fats are super, super important and super important longevity. It's important for our brain it's important for ourselves. And so the right kind of fats are super key. Now CLA is long as you know the source you know, if the CLA is coming from lamb, then and if it's coming from happy lamb not land that has been you know, about and pesticides and stuff, then that can also work well but I love lamb broth and eat lamb bone. I say part of the wilda terian approach is that you use every bit of the animal because we are a sustainable business. approach and so you can take lamb chops, keep the bones, make bra, dry the bones, pulverize the bones and put the bones back into Brock or put them into your smoothies or put them into your oatmeal, or whatever. And you have that rich, seal it.
Yeah, that's incredible. So I mean, we haven't really delved deep or too deep into what the water terian diet actually covers. So maybe if you kind of unpack it a little bit more like we did here, obviously, you started with a plant based you moved into a little bit of fish and then you moved into a little bit of wild game with him. Let's talk a little deeper into what the wild Attarian diet actually is.
So the tenants of the Wild terian diet are based on three big tenants and they are protein which is the amyloids fat which is we have to make sure we're using the fats appropriately so it can enrich us rather than break us down and sulfur malabsorption. So through my 15 years of clinical outcomes in my practice and my ever quit To be thirsty for additional knowledge, we have found that those three things with a sidebar have excellent metabolism. Because oxalates are new in the in the world of autism and kidney disease and pandas, which is pediatric autoimmune anxiety disorder and other conditions, we find that the body is less robust and being able to metabolize protein, fat and sulfur and oxalates. And so why is sulfur such a problem? sulfur again, it's supposed to be like those original amyloids. They're supposed to be super important for our neuro transmitters and for our gut health, and for college Instructure. And for all that has to do with our endocrine function. But here in the United States, at least, this nasty pesticide by the name of Roundup, which contains the poison of glyphosate has stopped the body's ability to convert in many cases, not in all cases, but it interrupts the body's ability to convert sulfur into its end product needed by the body called sulfate. And so sulfate does all those things that I said it's supposed to do, but we get caught into this vortex of this and an end state element. And so then what happens with sulfur is that which is supposed to support disrupts, so it disrupts Nervous System activity and neuro transmitters and gut 73% of rheumatoid arthritis has been linked to impaired sulfur processing mechanism. We work a lot with ra here. We work a lot with lupus, we work a lot with mental health conditions. We work a lot with gut, ulcerative colitis, Crohn's, irritable bowel, all those linked to the sulfur. And so these healthy foods, which used to serve us are now becoming bullies against our favorite
Yeah, so the answer is not just getting more sulfur into the body, obviously because it just creates more of an issue.
Exactly. And so the thing is, especially if you have a genetic predisposition, because the overarching idea around the wild Attarian diet is eating to your genetic blueprint and your current state of health. So what I've done is I've taken deep scientific algorithms, and I've converted it into an easy consumable book where you can take a quiz, because effectively when I'm asking you, do you have Bert, do you burp after you're eating? Well, that's a sign of protein malabsorption. But really, what it is, is that you're not producing hydrochloric acid. And where is that coming from? Well, you might not have the methyl donors to help you produce the hydrochloric acid, which means that you might have a gene polymorphism in the methylation pathway that's not robust. So that simple question really helps me figure out are you potentially not methylating appropriately, right. Similarly, if you if you urinating, you can smell asparagus or if you have a history of arthritis in your family if you're really sensitive to soulful based drugs, right? That's like a Clear canary in the coal mine. Yeah, then you have one of these polymorphisms the CBS gene, which is just a die on beta synthase, or the SU x gene, or the bH for gene which doesn't allow you to break down sulfur very well and the body has expressed those genes which then make it really more difficult to eat those healthy air quote healthy foods.
be funny with the groups that you're you're working with like this is the issue because it back to the cell phone mainly.
Yes, back to the solver and it's not for everyone and I have I have the genetic predisposition is not to be able to be a robust assimilator A sulfur? No, does that mean that I never eat broccoli? Well, I was just away for six days and I did eat some broccoli and I did have a little bit of garlic which is also sulfur. But I also use some supplementation to help me support those opening up those fat pathways up regulating those genetic polymorphisms so then I don't get so impacted by those foods that My otherwise really impact me and I'm not really chopping them down every day and I will never drink a smoothie that's made with kale. I call it killer kale. Because kale is so sulfur rich and it also pulls in a lot of a lot of pesticides and it's like a sponge for toxins
which is crazy because it's getting pushed so much as a superfood right now.
Yes it is killer kale I call it
so I mean obviously if you're getting organic variation of kale, even though it's organic is still going to have high levels of sulfur in it right.
It's still have high levels of sulfur and high levels of oxalate, which is another sidebar to the wilded terian ism approach. And oxalis have been linked to kidney the kidney stones and gallstones. But in the United States, they've also been linked especially if you have a genetic predisposition and you've had some fun guy in your body in the past candida overgrowth, fungal overgrowth in that actually those the those oxalates actually create aspartame Phyllis which is a fungus, which then disrupts all sorts of other pathways.
And fungal only being in the intestinal tract or anywhere on the body.
It can be systemic. I mean, we have found that
in these organisms, we're finding that they hide in little places all over our body. It doesn't just have to be GI tract, you know, if you have, if you have a toe fungus is going to be in your toes, but also what we find is that Candida can travel through the lymphatic system, which is a fungal organism to the brain, really, really creating some massively bad things with dopa mean regulation and so you can be CD or you can the pandas, the pediatric autoimmune psychiatric disorder really linked to Candida and and strap so strap which is a bacteria that becomes overgrown and they feed each other they're like they're like, you know, bad evil cousins. together and so yes, These things really they do travel.
Wow, that's insane. So going back to sofa malabsorption, what is kind of the protocol for, I guess, changing around so you can start to absorb this properly?
Yes. So we really like a B six vitamin in the form of P five p and that really helps with both sulfur and oxalic metabolism. We really like sometimes molybdenum, which is a mineral it's really been very, very efficacious in certain the SU ox gene. Yeah, Polly ism. But if you have gout, so there's always a bud right? If you have gout levels, then too high molybdenum, which would exacerbate gout. So that's, that's where period levels don't serve you in periods are for example faregates. And almonds tend to be high pureed foods. Could you
bring on gap for someone who has a family history of it, but they haven't got it themselves?
Absolutely. Yeah, I just actually I just talked to a premiere scientists I was at a conference with a neuroscience and quantum physics and epigenetics this past week. And they said, Terry, I overeat asparagus, and all of a sudden I tricked myself into into a gout situation. Yeah. So absolutely, yeah, you can also turn it off, you know, this is the thing, we do not have to be a product of our genes. So, you know, it's it's when the signaling mechanisms become interrupted, that these genes are expressed. And so to the third piece of the wild Attarian construct is fat malabsorption. And so why is that so important? Because I use that as a construct for stress. Because the hormones of stress of cortisol and epinephrine I call them cupcakes, because they're fats and sugars. Yeah. And I say stop cut kicking yourself, because it's really you can be eating a cupcake every hour, even though you've never touched one. Yeah. And so what So deleterious about this nattie is that particular in particular adrenaline, also known as epinephrine has these multiple deleterious effects on the body this is when we go into our fighter flight, this is when, you know, we were we were made as humans to be able to push the sugar to our lives so that we can, you know, run from that saber tooth tiger, and then the body would go back into from fighter flight to rest and restore. Yeah, but our modern our modern lives and all of the, you know, the technology that's actually helping us speak to one another from across halfway across the world is actually emitting a frequency that can actually affect our nervous system. So that's why we have to use modulating, modulating tactics to help manage that, but in particular stress will open up the tight junctions of our gut again, just like the cell membrane, it's meant to be selectively permeable so we go from what I call panty hose. We're only the small Molecules break through the barrier which are already pre digested to fishnet stockings meaning that bigger molecules can break through. And that can cause a histamine antigen auto immune response in the body. So it opens up those junctures. Yeah, it actually increases. There's these little pathogens, these little strap and Candida and viruses, they have flagella. They're like little antenna. And stress actually activates the flagella to say, Hey, guys, let's have a party and then they come together, they aggregate and they become bullies against our favor. And so and then the third thing that it does is it just it breaks because it's such a fat, it makes us that mal absorb because it that fat breaks through our intestinal barrier moving into our lymphatic system, clogging up the works because lymph is one of the bigger ways that we can metabolize all the bad stuff. You know, the limp is like clearing stuff up and so on. Stress can really make us not able to process fats because we're effectively pushing fat through our system on a constant basis. And so then that wonderful cashew butter that you eat especially if you're a woman and have certain genetic predispositions can actually back you up in terms of your detoxification pathways because you've hit your tipping point of what is the right amount of fat for you. And what how do we know if we're, we're overfed? And well again, my simple questions. Look at your stool. Is it floating? Is it greasy? Is it like color? Do you have a history of gallbladder issues? Do you have acne on your face? That means that your liver and your limp and your your gut couldn't clear it so when on your face? Yeah. Do you have when you have when you press on your forearm, do you see white that's a deema. That means that your limp is overworking and it's not breaking down those fats. So There many men do you have bad periods as a woman where you really feeling right around your period that you want to it estrogen disrupts serotonin, so people can actually get depressed during their cycles. A lot of practitioners don't know that. So if you can't process the estrogen, which is also a fat, you've hit your fat tipping point. And so what we speak to with women that have genes that are polymorphisms, that don't allow them to break down fat, or they're experiencing symptoms that say, Hey, I'm not breaking down my fat. During their cycles, we say go very low fat and during their oscillation time, go very low fat, because your body's already making fat through the hormones that it's making to try to help you oscillate or cycle.
And so to increase obviously, the caloric load they need to get you going for high carbohydrate protein in that time.
Well, in that time, we just go depending on the individual, you can go more protein but I really think for in these in these times when the body is trying to break down fats we go for we go for vegetables that are going to be like a spinach or a cilantro or a zucchini that's high in water or cucumber that's going to help move and cilantro and a mat amazing detoxifier cucumber, so water so we look for those things and then fruits that have the enzymes watermelon being so rich in magnesium and vitamin C and also it's really really rich and arginine which helps blood flow and nitric oxide levels so just looking for something lighter as we're in cycle so we can move that detoxification pathway and kind of support it rather than back it up.
It's quite interesting. We interview Dr. JACK Cruz and he was talking about foods that you should not eat here in Australia in particular come down to cucumber and watermelon because the deuterium levels in the water which is interesting as to whether like what else You should take then. So, I mean, there's obviously other options.
So other options would be zucchinis a great one. So it's also very rich in water. And again, cilantro is just incredible. Seaweed is so good and you know, you can get some really good spirulina, chlorella, those are really rich and detoxifying agents, and actually sea salt. Yeah, sea salt is an emulsifier and its mineral rich.
In regards to
yeah, no, that's great. No, I mean, I've just want to do a little bit of a backflip and go back to yourself. So I mean, there's obviously foods that are high in sulfur. Something that people talk about often is like you should get some awful in because the awful is going to give you the most dense nutrients but it's quite high and sofa. Am I right, right. So for someone in this this situation, they're going to need to have just very lean cuts of meat ideally. Yes, and yes, it is quite good.
The game meet is quite good and what we have is these gay meets, for example, bison is very high in zinc and iron. It has more essential fatty acids and salmon if you're really getting really, really happy, happy bison. And it's really interesting because animal meat can actually be rich in sulfur, but it's the combined the combined amino acids allows the software to be broken down more easily. So interesting in how how nature is so incredibly wise, allow it to have constituent pieces. So for example, black beans are really, really high in can behind oxalates, but they're also really high in molybdenum. And molybdenum is again important for sulfur and oxygen metabolism. So they're there. These these fruits sources are very intelligent, but at least in the United States because of the glyphosate impact. And I will tell you, I have changed my philosophy around silver. I wrote a book nine years ago and nine years ago, so was not a problem and with my soul for jeans, which I now know I have, I would eat broccoli and cabbage I had a green what I call my green garden soup, which was also for and at that time I was able to process it. Yeah, but the but hit a tipping point with the onslaught of the glyphosate which we cannot escape. And Dr. Stephanie senath, who's a brilliant biochemist out of MIT, one of our top universities, has elucidated the fact that even organic in the United States is not free from glyphosate. No better. It's not free.
Yeah. And glyphosate is obviously it's used worldwide like we definitely use it here in Australia as well. It's definitely an issue. It's what they spray on oats and wheat to kill off the the products before they go to Yeah, pretty much kill the product before they pick it. So it's definitely not something that's just just in the States, which is crazy, because it's definitely affecting the world who are using it. So it is When it comes to your game meets would like to pay go hogs get looked at as well or are they seen as something to into dirty me to eat like what's, what's the outlook on pigs?
So what I really I actually really like wild boar and if you look at wild boar which is foraging with pine nuts and you know free range, they're very clean. We have a wonderful gentleman here by the name of Joel Salatin who has a world famous farm by the name of polyface Farms out of sweet Virginia. And actually, he did his last what he called the lunatics tour where he like, there were 1200 of us and I believe there were 30 different countries and I know that there were a lot of lot of Aussies here represented. And he has developed this utopian farmland and he spoke about how clean you know their their pigs were there effectively wild They were they had specific and designated areas where they forged in the woods. And their meat was really really clean and Ashley wild boar and pig is high in leucine. And leucine is a very important amino acid in the down regulation of viral loads. And so one of my one of the are pioneering discoveries through the wild Attarian approaches that these amyloids are tripping and reawakening reactivating viral loads in our body. Yeah. And so these viral loads are puppet mastering is because they're no longer showing up as chicken pox. They're showing up as Bell's Palsy or they're showing up as polycystic ovarian syndrome. I was fortunate enough to participate in a documentary series led by Dr. Isabella Wentz called the thyroid secret. And in that nine part docu series, I was the one that spoke to how she motos being really puppet mastered by the Epstein Barr virus and over 80% of Hashimoto is in 62% of graves disease, which is the counter to hypo autoimmune hypothyroidism. It's hado immune hyper hyperthyroidism is epstein barr, or within primarily epstein barr, but within that herpes family, and so throwing more hormone at a thyroid that's under functioning is not the answer when the real secret is the the virus that was puppet mastered by puppet master the thyroid into looking like it's not working, but it's really that it's a viral activation that was tripped by an amyloid structure. Here in the Washington DC area, which is where I practice we have many practitioners sending us their Hashimoto patients. And actually we have, we've seen Hashimoto patients from all over the world and we have a tremendously high success rate that's sustainable using my approach.
So what's kind of the first step for someone with Hashimoto is that you go to
So with Hashimoto is we're going to know just from just from a probability perspective, and again, back to my old life where I was in numbers, and finance and risk management. We know that it's going to be a high probability. That's a viral load. Yeah. So the first thing we have to do is stop feeding the virus. Well, how do we feed them stop feeding the virus, we've got to stop eating those foods that contain amyloids, which then feed that viral load. But what's even more interesting Maddie is that the viruses are also fed or the amyloids are fed by biofilm and biofilm. Is that what I call the doughnut? Yeah, we like a gel like structure made by bacteria to help protect themselves. And so now we know we've seen it, we've done the clinical research is out there. I did not do the research myself. We're just really great finders of information that's already out there. But it's in academia and it's never been applied until now. And the biofilm helps create amyloids. amyloid help create biofilm. The viruses hide inside the biofilm. And then we they get puppet masters. So that's why it's so important. protein, fat and sulfur because sulfur will also create some calcifications and definitely excellent metabolism help makes biofilm because if you're excellent metabolism impaired you can make Aspergillus, which is a mold, which then makes biofilm. It's a very interesting ping pong effect, as I call it. And so a long answer to your question is they would be wild Attarian, they would be low sulfur because also sulfur in most cases have the origins. A lot of these sulfur foods are broccoli and cabbage and collards which are going surgeons and surgeons they produce gups goiters, they actually slow thyroid function and we don't want that. And then we would make them so low sulfur wilda terian, eating the wild game because you still need protein for the thyroid of bison and Denison, Cornish game hen lamb Of course, it You don't have fat metabolism issues and then you the wonderful fish and then staying with the squash which is really important and vitamin A and vitamin A is super important for insulin which with thyroid when the thyroid goes then the insulin sometimes goes as well and vitamin A is really important insulin regulation
so interesting so when it comes to sourcing the wild game like I know you can't in America can't kill wild game and sell it unless it's done as a real factory sort of situation so and it's very much the same here in Australia you can't like there is definitely processes that would take the meat and they would then resell it and there's different butchers that might have like a little bit of venison or a little bit of wild boar here and there and anyone living in Brisbane you can reach out to me because I know a few that do it. But what's the process them for you guys for getting any sort of wild game meat? Apart from how to yourself?
Yeah, we're really lucky in the United States where we have several providers Then there's one that ships overnight to all states in our country. And also there's some other ones that are popping up one in Florida. There's a there's one in Wisconsin here in the metro DC area, the organic butcher and you know, I've spoken or had my staff speak to personally with these small smaller outfits what how do you source your wild game? You know, what, what farms Do you use because you know, anything that I recommend, I want to make sure that I understand where it's being sourced from, but another one in terms of wild fish via adult choices beautiful in terms of where they source their their wild caught fish, it's in shellfish, it's just a very clean, very clean source of of that, that food source. So more and more is showing up because something you know, I, I invented the word while the terian ism in the approach and the lifestyle but more and more people are catching on that We have to live as nature intended, because we've gotten so far removed from it. And what I do know is that even if you're eating a grass fed cow, you don't know if that cow was grass finished, which is that because it can be grass it fed for about five minutes, and then it could be corn fed for the rest. Or its mom could have been a feedlot cow. And we know that DNA transfers over generations. So heritage breeds are really very, very clean. They don't have to be wild. We have found that heritage breeds because they've never been adulterated really hold true to nature intending the meats to be the way they are. Again, if you look back to millennia, these hoofed animals have been on the planet forever. Where's the methane coming from now? Well, I believe it's in part because these animals are being fed foods that they cannot break down and we can't break down food. What do we do we produce methane? Exactly. Yeah. You know, they're doing the same thing. And so it's really important as this one The terian and wild game phenomena occurs in the US that we really hold hold fast to a sustainable approach and a really humane approach to raising these animals in an environment that is as nature intended that we don't create now factory farmed bison because then we're going to be in the same place we were with CASS
Yeah, definitely. And so that was definitely gonna be a question is what happens when it splicing this phone compared to blossom? That's just in the wild? Is there a major difference? If they like you just said the heritage listed one so obviously a little bit different but is there ones that again, like I mean, you can buy some bars and stuff in the States? Oh, they're going to be the same quality is just buying the wild me know getting the night?
That's a great question, Maddie. And I really believe this is where we have to become informed consumers. Right? Where are you sourcing that bison from as the company? We have to start asking questions because if we start bastardizing, the way that these animals ground just because we want to make a profit because bison bars are really popular right now then we're really getting away from the elemental purpose of why we're doing this in the first place, which is to be healthier. And so it's gonna it's going to Boomerang us into ill health.
Yeah. So I mean here in Australia in regards to things that we can do as consumers, you can ask for what is wild caught in regards to the fish and the seafood in particular, we've we've got quite a good range of wild caught. Typically you're not going to get any salmon here on the southern side or pretty much anywhere in Australia not going to get any salmon that's wild caught salmon that you are going to be able to use and if you do get some it's going to be imported from somewhere like Norway. I think it's probably a major, major import that we get wild caught salmon from so that's quite heartbreaking for some people because they do have salmon but realistically when we look into it also in regards to the food, we are a lot more and I did a podcast on this just a few weeks ago in regards to the Australian grass fed meat it's a lot more were a lot different set up to what the states are for how it how it's kind of laid out. But once again, you don't know if it's being grain finished or not typically, sometimes they'll say grain grass fed grass finished and that's obviously the best meat that you can get. But we're definitely a bit more free range in regards to how it's set up. There is like I said, butches that will do venison butches that will do kangaroo and butches that will do a wild boar and they're going to all be mates that have been sourced from Australia that are actually taken just from the land these past animals in Australia and then you utilize to be as food so I think like as much as people might get a little bit weirded out by it, kangaroo is probably going to be one of the most efficient sources for us here in Australia to be able to get hold of this going to be as free range as possible. I would say.
Australia is also quite good.
Okay, lost your job. We don't have this not Yeah, like, you know, obviously we do have an emu farms though emus are another thing, but they're typically farm so I would be a bit sauce on that one. Yeah, unless you're going to go out and go hunting yourself. And I mean, we have so many critters here in Australia or pest species here in Australia that huntable and huntable all year round. So you use a very different sort of source to what what you have in the states with the only once a year you can go hunting sort of thing and I think Australia would do really good with something like that. But for right now, it's not how it is. And depending on where you are, Queensland in particular, you can't hunt unless you've got private access. New South Wales and Victoria have public land and private land access. So it all comes down to where you kind of stand as a person what you really want to be sourcing, I guess as well, in regards to how deep you go down the rabbit hole.
Exactly. And I think you know, it really depends on the rest of it. Right. So if you're doing you know if you're doing wild boar, but then you're doing a bunch of sugar And it's you know, high fruit, corn syrup and bunch of pesticides and things are colored that are not coming from nature's and you're really undermining that philosophy of consuming wild meats and wild fish and shellfish. So it's really, it's really a construct of honoring the body in every regard as to what you put in your mouth and really honoring it, how you source it and really being in gratitude because that's also you know, the the vibrational frequency. I tell my clients don't go shopping when you're upset because you're going to touch that food and you're going to be at a lower vibration and you're imparting that upsetness Yeah, into that, you know, that Apple you just, you just pulled off the shelf. So it's really important intentionality is really important. It's really, you know, again, we are a microcosm of the macrocosm and so, conscious awareness around how we look at what brings us life, which is our food source in our water. Supply we have to be very respectful of that. Because we're all one
yeah that's there's a Japanese study that's done around that to of just writing the word next to the fruit or vegetable and then leaving and changing and seeing what happens on a macro level and it's so interesting to see like literally just writing the word hate and paste it like pretty much sticking next to this vegetable what would happen compared to if you write and write the word love and put it next to it? The same thing happens with water as well when you do it. So it's so interesting what the studies are around that. I think people would hear that say all that so we're movers I know this is now scientifically backed like that so many people are science minded that need that and so hey, there it is. Like it's definitely this proof in the pudding. When it comes to I guess some of the more favorable fruits and vegetables that you should be eating and do you talk much about I haven't actually read the book is something I do want to do it's gonna it's on my list now is the water terian diet the book but when it comes to fruits and vegetables, eat talking about forging for yourself or ideally like growing your own what's what's the kind of golden standard.
Another great question. So what's really sad in the United States is the average food that goes to our plate travels 1500 miles. Wow. So think about the carbon emissions that brought that fruit or produce to our, you know, to our home or to our local grocers. And so the first thing that I would offer is really support local where you're growing the food close by so you're really you know, breaking down that carbon footprint. You're also going to get a much Richard nutrient dense food because it hasn't traveled Yeah. Or hasn't been picked. And then frozen and then trucked country. So you know try to get as close to the tree or the ground as possible. And then there the Environmental Working Group has a fruits and vegetables which are called the Dirty Dozen and it changes year over year but they really speak to those fruits and vegetables that have the highest toxic load because they are sprayed the most. And so when my clients asked me and my naturopath what what are the ones that we should look to? Well first we have to look at Do you have Candida because you're not gonna be eating a lot of grapes if you have that's too much sugar but typically, you know watermelon is so thick skin now in Australia because it's got a lot of material may not be a great source but you know those thick skin like pineapple you it's it's okay, it's been protected. Yeah, but a baby strawberry or, which basically has no skin or a pair apples, those an apples are the most sprayed here in the United States.
And also that's where they catch like, obviously with an apple with the way it lays out it catches on the stem. And if people are watching it incredibly well, or they eating that whole whole store can stem then Yeah,
it does. So we really have to be mindful around so it's not only how far the food is traveled, but how this food is been sprayed. And so when you say what are the best I would say? Well it depends on if you have a fungal organism or a sugar imbalance, you want to stay away from those higher sugar fruits like oranges and, and pineapple and banana because they carry the highest sugar load and you want to go with the lower sugar fruits like a kiwi, or a strawberry or a blueberry and you know foraging for blueberries. I used to have a blueberry bush in my backyard. So it didn't it wasn't very prolific, but I did get to yield a couple of blueberries. And I I did have I've since moved but I did have a terrorist organic garden. And so I during the summer I really didn't have to buy a lot of my vegetables. I grew them they were grown with organic, organic soil. They were loved. I used to sing to them every morning. And I and one of the things that I thought was also really important is that I taught my children how important it was to really honor the food and how it grew. So for Easter, every Easter is they were growing up the Easter Bunny instead of bringing them chocolate brought them seeds. Oh, wow, that's cool. able to then nourish and nurture these little baby seedlings to then be able to harvest them during the summer. And it was quite beautiful.
I love that. That's awesome.
So I mean touching on the sofa rich foods I think goes into things like league onion, cruciferous vegetables that that's like you You call you file your brussels sprouts. You broccoli. You talked about kale. You mentioned cabbage as well. Is there anything else that's major in ag? Oh,
yeah. So So a few of us are rich in sulfur. But what I will say are eggs yolks are really rich and coline as well. So there's something that I have deemed to what I call the body's hierarchy of needs. Yeah. And so when your body has a really big need for calling, even though you're going to have sulfur in that area. The nice suggest will eat that egg over easy because it's going to have a richer coaling source for you then if you hard boil it, which is going to be more sulfur, you know when you when you actually have you you think about an egg when you open it up, it doesn't smell like sulfur, but if you boil, it gets really hard It smells like sulfur when you peel that, that skin back. So are the shellback. So it really it really is this hierarchy of needs and cauliflower, although really really, you know, it can be sulfur rich in some cases because it's high in manganese and molybdenum manganese is really hot, really good at lowering the histamine response. I call cauliflower a kinder gentler sulfur or of food because it has other properties that if you're really having high histamine can can support you know bringing it down and what I say with if you're going to eat sulfur foods, cook them because raw has more sulfur compounding a raw piece of garlic and whoa you know can give people with sulfur processing headaches, migraines and raw onions as well. But if you cook them and karma lies them. Those sulfur compounds tend to be less aggressive
your body. And so I do believe certain Jesus will have sulfur in them as well.
That actually I haven't heard about that that will you be teaching me that? The way that I would think of it is if there's any preservatives in them because preservatives tend to
be Yeah. Okay. Cool, I think so you're going back. I'd almost like to do another big spin around and go back to the fats and fat malabsorption. You said that, obviously, you can test your stool. I guess this comes across for all of it. People typically coming to you and doing blood tests to figure out Hey, I've got a cell from malabsorption Hey, I've got the fats malabsorption or is there other things you can do to test like you said peeing before, before or after you're eating like is that those those typical little tests you can do outside of gauging a test or getting blood work done?
Sure. So again, I call it listening, understanding your body Body Talk. Yeah. So it's really just like looking down your body all the way down. You know, do you have? Do you have allergic shiners? That means you're eating a food that you're sensitive to? Or do you have like puffy eyes? That means your your lymphatic system is off. Do you have a yellow ring around your mouth? That could be that your liver is really backed up? Do you have white spots on your fingernails? That means that you're low in zinc? And actually there's a Candida response there. Do you? Do you update your site? This over here your thyroid? And do you feel like it's a little swollen? Oh, there's a problem there. Do you have bumps on the back of your arms? That's malabsorption Do you have you know a lot of a lot of middle belly that's a cortisol response, cortisol insulin. So yes, there's a whole body body interpretation that I do. And when my clients come in, I am scanning them from head to toe. It's one of the first things for the door. Yep. Yes, they walk through the door. But yes, we can do blood work and I work very collaboratively with many doctors throughout the country actually, and I have a naturopathic doctor that is in my practice, so we can avail ourselves of blood tests of saliva test of urine test. But I have developed my own form of applied kinesiology, which is muscle testing. And so what we have found is that is really, really very efficacious and highly sensitive because it's telling us what's happening in the body in real time. And it's so interesting Maddie is when we've had the blood work done, it's corroborated to the muscle testing. And so we we navigate through the body through my methodology called the Cochrane method after my children's namesake, to really understand why you know, what's going on in the body. And so we look at neurotransmitters and hormones and pesticides and heavy metals. We look at digestive enzymes, we look at our pathogens of all types. We look then at food, we test food, and so it's a very comprehensive approach to really getting a very personalized plan for that individual and so we cut we even muscle test supplements because even if let's just say that you have that self or processing impairment and you we know you have those genes because we've done a genetic analysis analysis based on your your ancestry and so forth. And clearly you have that but your D myelinated. in Milan is that I call it the condom on our nerves are protected. That's great. And when you're d myelinated, or irritated in that mile and a B vitamin can actually be irritating and so we just and so maybe you need that basics but not right now. We've got to first calm that nervous system helps support the irritated sheath and then we can introduce it so my protocol is very intentional in a has to go before be because if you do be before a you're going to get a back, you know, backlash from the body and it's going to tell you and a lot of hurt seeing reactions. Which hurting is like a healing crisis. We have Very little in our practice because we really look to Okay, well, we've got to turn on methylation turn on sulfation open up that phase one liver detoxification before we start trying to kill anything, no or anything. So it's it's very important in terms of a systemic approach to getting the body ready to then make it work in a different way.
Yeah, that's incredible. And do you guys only work with people face to face? Or do you do like consoles online as well?
We do consults from all over the world. We have actually a lot of Australian clients. Yes, we can. But we do ask that we look at your genes if you're going to do console because we can't muscle test you. So I look at the symptoms. I cross pollinate it with what your genetic tendencies are, and then we develop a bio individualized approach, but we've had really good success from from that as well.
What's the best genetic testing that you guys have come across as like 23andme sourcing, is that good enough or is it not going to go in detail enough?
It's, you know, it's ever changing and they really, you know, liquid fighted there's Opus 21. There's Ancestry. com, there's Dr. paisano has created something where he has over 1800 genes, it's called IQ you where you can get genetic testing done in a very, very rich way. IQ while you know, he was he's the father of naturopathic medicine, naturopathic medicine here in the United States. And I know him very well. He's a good friend of mine. And so that's a very robust test. I think, that's, that's available. And so it really is what I look at, you know, there's we have 23,000 genes, we're not going to spend our time trying to analyze 23,000 genes. But what I do is I try to navigate to what are the genes I call them the the sharks versus the minnows, yeah, which is genetic predispositions which are going to take a leg off, you know, versus just going to annoy you a little bit is going to nibble. It'll Nemo.
That's great. It's once again, going back to your original job right? Well, that's great. Well, so I mean, there's obviously a few places that people can start but we will start to wrap up so where are the best places for people to follow along? terrio were like what's the best place if you had your ideal wife for someone to start within communications or finding things about you? Would it be the book or would it be following along the socials like where would you like people to go
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That's great. I love it. Well, I'm actually really excited to read the book. I'm definitely gonna get my copy of it. And we'll get moving from there. But I think that's been awesome has been very, very insightful. I've definitely learned a few things. So thank you very much, Terry. I've really enjoyed that. And listeners, if you got something out of it, please share it around. Because like I said, there's so much in this that is the finite details, details that we don't look into all the time that are really beneficial and can be the game changer for your loved ones at the end of the day. So, yeah, Terry, thank you very much. It's been great,
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