Keynote: Idalin Bobé
5:56PM Jul 29, 2020
Good afternoon hackers on planet earth the pandemic edition. Welcome back for another day if you're tuning in right now, another keynote So, today I have the honor and the pleasure of introducing edralin boba who's coming to us, I believe from New York City, she could correct me if I'm wrong, which is the usual home from Polk. Um, and, you know, with introducing keynotes is always so hard to do, because usually there are so many wonderful things. But there's a few phrases I found on her Instagram, which I think really capture who she is. She's a human rights defender and a social justice and movement technologists. What is so inspiring about her is that indeed, she's a technologist oriented toward community education and empowering those who've often been shut out, but who are taking a stand against society's worst bills. This is Evan This is evident in everything she has done and especially the organization that she helped found which is called tech activist.org. Check it out. A quote from the web page from this organization. We are educators, technologists, activists and disruptors, we believe in the power of unity, we're working hard to develop a space for everyone, regardless of their level of education can come together, strategize and create with digital technology. So she founded the organization in the aftermath of Ferguson, she participated on the ground and she provided security help. So this organization continues in that work, but has expanded out, and we surely need it today. Prior positions include global global social justice lead at thoughtworks and founding partner and former Community Manager at Black Girls CODE. So to wrap up with she and her decades of work show us that if we're going to ensure that technology is a tool for liberation, not for oppression, what matters is not simply the technology we use, though. does matter for what matters is how we use technologies in communities and social movements to uplift others and demand radical
political change. So you're here to watch her. Please join me in a huge virtual welcome. And I turn it over to Dylan Beauvais.
Hey, thank you. Thank you. I definitely wanted to do this in person with all of you when I first learned about the hope community, I just thought like Star Wars, resistance, hope, and so many beautiful things. So I'm new to the hackerspace and the hope community. So again, I want to start by thanking the organizers for contacting me and asking me to be a keynote speaker. These are historical times as many know as you sit through yet another video, so However, you may consider yourself lucky if you're able to work from home and joining video conference after video conference is your biggest concern. However, not everyone can work from home. My mother can't work from home so she has an autoimmune issue.
This is my mother. She is an essential worker working five days a week while surviving her autoimmune disease. She's out working while in pain she is working while scared about getting sick and getting other sick. Working while filling moments of sadness. Feeling sad about the state of the world especially how hard life is hard life seems seems for poor for poor black, black, brown, brown and gardenless heartless how hard card we work work is working while working well thank thankful for thankful that she's still employed. She is working and praying for her children, family, friends and anyone who may need a bit of hope or encouragement. She is working on doing her best to share what she can with others. In essence, I start today's mother inspires me so much and as always figure out new ways on how to improve and how to give back to our community. Everything I do is for my community, which I learned that from my mother, so thank you for allowing me to highlight her as I begin this talk
anytime I'm asked
to share my voice,
I do not take it lightly. I know
the significance of having a black and brown person as a speaker, especially at a tech conference, where often you don't say that hope today is to connect with someone tuning in right now who is just as hungry as I am for change, who understands the urgency of our time. Someone who wants to help someone willing to stand in solidarity and take action as we continue to dismantle systems that are literally killing us. I'm going to recap my talk today, which will include just a quick introduction about myself. I think my stories my passion shared learnt lessons from Ferguson, the history of tech activists or Highlighting the Black Panther party's community control of modern technology, highlighting some work that's happening in our communities today. Our hope just like my mother taught me, and open up for q&a, so I'm definitely I'm looking for this to be an interactive discussion. So feel free if you have questions to send them. I can see them live as they come in. I may or may not answer them as they come in live, but I would definitely get to them at the end for sure. So this is me. Again, my name is evaline Beauvais and I'm a black and Puerto Rican movement technologist. I started talking at seven years old. I went through a lot of trauma as a child, and something happened to me that it couldn't use my motor skills. That age of eight to 18. I attended speech therapy classes on a weekly basis, and officially was labeled as a student with a disability.
Teachers and students barely understood me. I was known as the quiet girl.
Recall watching television and putting the captions on the TV screen, so that can learn how to pronounce the words as people were saying them. After a while my family couldn't afford speech classes. So using the captions on the TV screen was my hat. Hack got me through college, as they helped me increase my vocabulary and my understanding of how to say things. In all honesty, I still use the captions on my TV screen now. Share this story to say this is just one of many ways technology has helped me grow to who I am today. And I believe we all share a story On our first experience with technology and how we fell in love with it, and wanted to use it for social good, which further takes me on my journey. I grew up in North Philadelphia, and then a neighborhood called Badlands, which is in the Kensington fair hair area in Philadelphia, say the neighborhood battles with housing, food insecurity, rates of unemployment, up to 50%. Over policing and high surveillance. Oh, this story is not new. My neighborhood can be seen in New York, Detroit, Chicago, Oakland and in cities all across the United States. I went to a high school, Thomas Edison that had a 75% dropout rates that looked like was in ninth grade. My teacher told us as a teacher Packed us all into the auditorium room. Look to your left look to your right. One day. One of you won't be here had more police officers and actual teachers. I like yes me, who was the keynote speaker yesterday survived the school to prison pipeline. I just want to point out how often your speakers or people in a room for personal color goes through trauma because they survived this food prison pipeline. However, we still put in handcuffs several times for activities like missing detention because I came in late after spending 30 minutes waiting in line to go through a metal detector before I got into school. graduating high school I barely knew how to read and writes. However, thanks to a community program Club of Philadelphia partnership, I was able to go into a State College. I up. I can talk about the details of that program another time. But I want to focus on the fact that when I started school freshman year, I didn't even know what a number line was. I attended I up and my first year of school was very difficult. I struggled with academic probation. If you could just fast forward to my senior year of college, I ended up actually graduating the highest GPA as a person of color in my field, which was it 3.86 and marketing and Applied Statistics. Oh, how did I do that? Not knowing anything about math, not knowing what a number line was graduating with a 3.86 and apply statistics. I blamed the internet. No, not the music ban. Which if you haven't heard them, please go check them out on the internet. I used online discussion boards frequently as I asked people to help me with particular questions that I was too embarrassed to ask in class. Or oftentimes when I did ask in class, the professor would say, you know, you should really quit school and go back to middle school, or if I attended
after class programs where they had tutoring, a lot of the other folks would like make fun of me or wouldn't want me to go so to me, I felt safe online, talking to people who are willing to help me out. I will look up and learn from YouTube videos, and ask people if they can help me find additional information on certain topics. Again, there were lots of self study and online collaboration that really helps me propel in school. I left college feeling like 11 laptop with working internet was the winning combination to Office assess and wanted to put a laptop in every person's hand that was from a poor neighborhood. So my own development as a testimony of how a person can close their own achievement gap, and folk the same could happen for others, I guess. No for so many years. I thought. bad to say, but I did. I was dumb, but in actuality, I was never given the opportunity to learn passion to want to share education, and the power of the internet led me on a phenomenal path. My first pivot wave from corporate America, where I had my first job I was struggling to climb the corporate ladder was to further my education. I ended up attending most college which is located in Oakland, California, it's a school for femme and non binary students. The school was predominantly black and Latin next, and I went to get my MBA and studied courses from the computer science program, which is still where most of my connections lie. Before starting the program I never even knew of computer science never knew how to program and I ended up being the second top student in the class. While attending school, I started community programs teaching young people about computer programming and basic digital literacy skills. I was invited to go to southern India and Tamil Nadu to start a computer program for women and youth to help with agriculture. I partnered with Kimberly Bryant, who is the amazing founder of Black Girls CODE to educate over 2000 young girls in computer science. I connected with groups like yes, we code and Kino labs to create hackathons with ideas like what is an app could have saved Trayvon Martin. One of my proudest memories is seeing the shift of what happened to Google search engine after a person typed black girls. In 2011, so many bad words would follow girls, and you will see angry, bad, fighting, ugly today. And as of early as 2013, Black Girls CODE became the first or the second thing that pops up shifting the narrative completely of what a black girl could be, and who we are in the world. Anything's happened in the world and to me from 2009 to 2014. I was dealing with a type of exhaustion that was deep in my spirit. As a child, I had to battle with police brutality. And as a young adult, I tried and tried and worked 100 hours a week, really build community programs to change the trajectory and the narrative of my community. And still, the media and the police continued to kill us. Oscar grants
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summer of 2014, when unarmed teenager Mike Brown was brutally killed by former Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson. I believe I can speak for most of black Americans.
This sparked the summer of the Ferguson uprising, a similar rebellion, like we see today after the killing of George Floyd. And I want to note the difference between a riot versus a rebellion. very mindful that I'm using the word rebellion. And I'm not saying that these were riots. What you're seeing today is not a riot. We see riots all the time, especially in white America, at a sports team win, and you will see people riot, destroying things for no reason, because it can. It's an expression of power and energy. One of the worst riots in American history was the race riots in Tulsa, Oklahoma, may 31 to June 1 19th. One happened almost 90 quote definitely happen almost a year 100 years ago for a white mob upset that a young teenager is young black man got on an elevator with a white young woman use the media, basically amplifying this false narrative. And they destroyed an entire community that was referred to as black Wall Street. Thousands of white citizens poured into the Greenwood district in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and burned on a burned over 1500 homes. 600 black owned businesses 21 churches, school and hospital and killed about 300 people or 8000 people were made homeless during that time period. Mind you, not one person was arrested. Before that, however, people who defended themselves did get arrested. The media likes to say black people rights, but when in fact we are defending our allies, and we're defending life. And that is why rebellion is inherently meaningful. It is important we start to call the uprisings we see around the world and around the US as a rebellion, so that our youth and others can understand its significance and are vilified by the media for standing up and joining them. rebellions have been part of our legacy as we have tried to make America regain its humanity time and time again. We black Brown, indigenous people are after all, children of rebellions, rebellions, defend life, and we are defenders of life.
Back to Ferguson.
This thing completely politicized me, helped me understand that this was just not a case of police brutality. For so long. I just went around the world thing like the police and the police is our enemy and Who is the man, the police? I realized that we really have to look at the conditions of what made Ferguson. Ferguson is a suburb of the greater St. Louis city. And I don't know about you, but when I hear suburb, I think of upper and middle class. However, that was not the case of Ferguson was once a flourishing community with shopping centers, because you know, America loves to like, you know, consume stuff became a place with food deserts. 20% of the black labor force in Ferguson was unemployed. But when you look Get the black men between the ages of 16 and 30. Unemployment went as high as 47%, which is pretty common in Philadelphia and Chicago and Oakland. On top of all of this Ferguson is one of 91 municipalities in the St. Louis County. each municipality has its own judge, prosecutor and police force. To make that more vivid Imagine you're a black person living in Ferguson, and you're driving to your job that's 10 minutes away. You're still out, your tail light is out. In the midst of those 10 minutes, you're going maybe through like three or four topologies. That means you can acquire about three or more tickets from local police offices, each ticket representing a different jurisdiction. Let's say each tick is about 60 to $100. That adds up quickly In the Department of Justice, there was an investigation done by the Department of Justice and in that investigation and concluded that police did in fact over police to the black community members and target them often. Ferguson alone, black people make up 60% of the population, but 93% of the arrests and 85% of people who are stopped for vehicle violation. I learned one day while I was spent a day in the local jail after being arrested. Part of the first and uprising many people were in the local Joe because they couldn't afford them. And the story went, they got multiple tickets on one thing, couldn't pay the fines, their court appearances guess which, and conflicted with their work schedule and then a warrant for their arrest with me. And then they lost their job because they're stuck and Joe because They can't afford though. So you have to understand people are just irritated with the police. Then you add police brutality and killings unarmed killings of unarmed young people like that Mike Brown had several cases a year or two before my Browns murder. And even within the three week period of when Darren Wilson murdered Mike Brown, three other youth were murdered. These were the conditions that caused a rebellion where people had enough and demanded dignity and end to police harassment. They demand it quality housing, employment, to be heard and not to be vilified by the media. It is important that we take time to analyze the living conditions of Ferguson because that is the future of America. Ferguson is a lot of what suburbs will be the next five years or less many cities are experiencing gentrification and many poor communities are being pushed out to the suburbs that do not have the infrastructure to tend to this community needs suburbs like public transportation, their food deserts. It's not like an inner city where you have bodegas and little corner stores, or you may have subways and buses that run every 15 minutes. suburbs were created to be isolated communities, and with more poor communities being pushed out. As people with wealth move into the inner cities, we lose the community support and become free of predatory systems of injustice.
One of the biggest learning lessons I learned from Ferguson was our history is not being captured. By today, our history is not being captured. When Mike Brown's body laid out on the street before hours. It wasn't people who had academic friends fellowships who defended his life and sit out there screaming those first few days. Young people who were tattered up did that young people who are tattered up got the world's attention. Often academics, researchers and celebrities often take credit and are given credit for being able to explain someone else's lived condition. When you look at our current history books, the people highlighted as leaders of the Ferguson uprisings are not the same people who captured the world's attention and hear from the left to the right. I include pictures of a few people I wanted to highlight, such as Poe, Tara Thompson, Tori Russell, because Taylor duck Oh
Awesome mastery, and Darren seals. Now it's important to awesome note that Darren seals and Bassam both passed away. And there's many deaths that came out of the Ferguson uprising that many people don't know. About. Another name to lift up is Josh Williams, who stood up as a brave teenager, only 18 years old, demanding justice in the community. He still today is a political prisoner of the Ferguson uprising charged with arson and given 10 years, many people know it's undercover police who often initiate violence and arson, and then a rescue after you join in. takes me to my next alert lesson. Aren't dealing with local police departments. We're dealing with an intelligent force that specializes in violence and creating Mass weapons of destruction, which the same tactics used on us within the United States are being used on people all around the world like in Palestine. We are up against a very militarized police force, a very intelligent force that collects data on us performs data mining practices on our social media accounts and other digital services that we use and sign up because they're free. Police use software and our rhythms and stingrays and so many more gadgets that our people aren't aware of. We're not prepared for we don't know. Now don't get me wrong. I'm well aware that surveillance is nothing new to our communities. A book I like to reference is Dark Matters on the surveillance of black bodies by Dr. Simone Brown. She highlights 18th century laws like lantern loss in New York City mean that black mixed race and indigenous enslaved people carry candle lanterns with them if they walked about the city after sunset, and if they weren't in the company of a white person. Law prescribes various punishments for those that did not carry the supervisory device. Any white person was given the power to stop those who walked without the lit candle after dark. So you can see the legal framework for stop and frisk policing practices was established long before our contemporary era. And even before that, you were tracked and our data was collected during the transatlantic slave trade. Overall, Ferguson shifted my approach on how I showed up in my community, and I think this is important to know that even if me as a person of color that grew up in the hood, I was showing up not understanding power dynamics, I was showing up with really focusing on individual achievement, which is what most nonprofits language is used to where you're just like, the problem is, you know, you're going to help one person, you're going to have them climb this ladder of success, and they're going to get out versus the betterment of the collective, the betterment of the entire community. So my approach shifted from charity versus self determination. Our people are not ready for what we're seeing today or in 2014 I wasn't ready I'm still not ready to go up what we're against, as we're demanding human dignity, but as assata Shakur, bar said, and we continue to chance. It is our duty to win is our duty to win. And if we're going to win, we have to prepare up new instead, knowing how to struggle is the essence of winning. Recognizing ills is fundamental. recognizing how to overcome ILS is mandatory. Am I Oh, geez. Willie Baptists said, you have to know what you're up against. If you're going into a fight, and you think your opponent is a teddy bear, but when you get there is a grizzly bear. Man, you're in trouble. How I understand these quotes is that if we want to win, we need to have an accurate assessment of the situation and accurate analysis of the problem we aim to solve. So how do we prepare fully for us? There's so many books that we can actually see Studying, there's so many
leaders and our movements that we can that we can lean on. Some books I started with for the People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn. Women race in class by Angela Davis, the Huey P Newton reader, legit, I feel anything you read about the Black Panther Party is going to be exceptional. Because though you'll pick up the book as a young, black nationalist, and you're just like, just we need to like secure people and protect our people. You will quickly understand that the issues we're dealing with impacts majority of the people in the world and I love to read how the party develops their ideology to go from black nationalism to internationalism. people I met that I want to highlight on the The bottom I have a picture that says it's not enough to be angry. That's really Baptists. And he really taught me it's not enough to be angry. I can't be walking around who's angry. You need to like know what you're up against and have an analysis. Above that picture is gloria de la Cruz, who taught me the importance of loving our people and not being scared to stay in the trenches with them? So many of our people are scared of our own people. The rites of loud Do you have a white man Chris Caruso? Who is super dope taught me the importance of understanding political economy. On the right of him as Liz Harris taught me the role that religion plays and justifying oppression and lifting up white supremacy. On the right of Willie Baptists, you have bJ pusad, who helped me understand global politics on the right of him. We have all been A well known contributor to privacy and digital rights. He taught me the importance of privacy, a lot of what I teach in my classes actually learned from Obama. And understood and learned the importance of educating our people on those tools, and encouraging them to gain skills so that we have to ask people of color can contribute to those skills. Oh, and I have been dear friends for about six years, as many of you know, Keats, who is a political prisoner, currently a resident in Ecuador, for having too many passwords and too many books on security and hacking. He is a defender of human rights and works with the most marginalized communities, educating people like me on too.
If you don't know about Ola, please look up work and what he's currently up against.
On the right of him, his sister Elaine Brown, former chairperson of the Black Panther Party, who taught me that in 1972, the Black Panther Party added community control of modern technology to their 10th point of the 10 point program. It reads, we want land bread, housing, education, clothing, justice, peace, and people's community control of modern technology. Community control, modern technology was added because in 1972, Huey P Newton in the Black Panther Party had an analysis on what would happen to our people. If computers and digital communication devices became part of the oppressive tool. I don't even know if many people know that even as part of black history today. So often, the conversation with the black community and tech is about diversity. 1972 was more about diversity, it was both more about trying to adapt, and similarly in Silicon Valley and those type of workplaces but to really understand the tools and to gain control so that we can use those tools. So in so in 2015, I found a tech activist that org and took the lessons I learned from others and created an initiative to educate activists and computer programming, so they too can contribute to the creation of privacy enhancing tools, and also holds Silicon Valley accountable for their role and their marriage and state violence. Since founding the organization we work with over 2000 activists, we've created 510 week long training sessions on different topics where students learn web development and they built web sites. To help promote, you know black owned businesses and social justice organizations, we created a program where students learn storytelling through gaming. And we also did a program on Python. Though the program is doing this baby speech, we want to learn how to partner with other educators out there to help with curriculum development and empower more activists to contribute to current projects, projects that we see that we love, like Lucy Parsons lab. Nonetheless, we still even though we're super small, have been able to participate in amazing initiatives and be part of Coalition's like the radical connections, a group of movement technologists, that includes some of our favorite people that you'll hear later on during the conference, which is Mickey meat offered a little Lopez can Montenegro just to name a few
And we've definitely partnered with the Electronic Frontier Alliance group.
Overall, I do believe digital security and privacy is self defense in the 21st century. The goal I have is not to scare people. So often I feel like many tech talks causes fear and paranoia versus teaching people actually actual skills that they can use. I like talking about the fact that yes, the US has so much data on us, for how ridiculous is it has yet been successful in preventing a crime. They have so much data, they don't know what to do with it. So how can we use that to our advantage? How can we use today's technologies to help with our movements? I like to have conversations and debates like how would Malcolm X have used texting Or what would it look like if we taught the homeless community or young people who are experiencing gentrification or are struggling with housing? What would happen if we taught them 3d printing now that we live in a world where you can actually 3d print at home? saw this image on social media yesterday on my pastor's Instagram page and you know, I feel like this is common sense is like a regular if then statement. We have quality food quality education, housing, health care, then the people in your community will be okay. If not, then you will have people who are organized and demand for a better living situation. It's like if we can predict rebellions and call them problematic zip codes, then why can't we use the same systems to predict with the need of resources and redistribute resources to care for these people. And is very simple. I'm not trying to idolize or fantasize about America that does not exist. US is not prepared to supplies people with aid or resources is only prepared for war and violence. And we can see that even in today's pandemic. We suffered so many weeks where people still don't have food, they still don't have housing. medical workers still don't have the proper aid to protection to even 10 to what they're doing. How fast was the US? Oh, how fast were they able to send militarized police in the National Guard to go to war with his people? There was a budget and a plan set for violence suppression, but not for aid. I do you want us to sit and think about that. The next upcoming months will be Hard employment skyrocketed to over 50 million new people signed up for unemployment benefits. That doesn't include the people who are not allowed that they don't qualify for unemployment. That doesn't include the people who are unemployed before were under under employed. Housing and evictions are estimated to peak in September. And for the past three months, we've seen 30% of renters not even able to pay their rent. With the rise of unemployment, more people and their families are off of health care. We have a lot to prepare for. And as my old release would say is we only get what we organize to take. My question is Where are we doing to support the people on the frontlines, not just amplifying people who are writing up the reasons Search capturing their work. How are we technologists supporting the people on the ground and working with them in collaboration? People who, who they come from all types of education backgrounds. Before we open up for q&a, I often get told, you know, hey, I'm a white person, and I don't know how to get involved. And I'm so sorry for my ancestors that have so much guilt. What should I do?
real fast. I can't do anything with your guilt. But just as I'm learning and unlearning, and every day, I'm challenging myself to grow. So can you study people like john Brown, whose pictures on the left and the grumpy sisters, they too are part of your history and your ancestors? history is written in a way to divide us. Learn how we work together. Because there's so many stories where you have people working together, and that's what we need to continue to do. We need all the people we can to get organized and really shift make a change for justice. So thank you so much for listening to my talk. Um, I am here again as a newbie to the whole community and wanting to connect and collaborate. So please feel free to reach out to me by Instagram, via Twitter. I'm here open and ready to listen, I know we have some questions, so I wanted to take some time to answer. There's a question saying with COVID-19. Many schools colleges are asking to educate students online. What are your thoughts on online learning when many individuals fate in person classes are crucial to social and skills development. I just want to highlight in New York City 300,000 students do not have access to the internet and they don't have an access to a laptop. So my greatest fear as someone who fell in love and close my treatment gap with a laptop internet is just seeing how many young people don't even have access to that and how further that will widen this educational gap achievement gap. And sadly, those communities are young black and brown people. I do think, um, you know, if we had all this field sets and tools to like, really build this up, it wouldn't be so bad. I read a study. I read this article stating that rich people aren't Creating pods of schools, and they're each filling in like 100,000 for 10 students, so they could pay a teacher to really go in and supplement the online learning how sad that our students don't even have access to a laptop.
And that is what scares me most about COVID-19 and our time today. Another question that came in says, What can the media do to better report on the people you cite who helped advocate during the Ferguson incident? Now it's really interesting, because I feel like who really amplify voices on Ferguson, people in Silicon Valley, who they picked up the names of people that they wanted to lift up, and I felt like it was Silicon Valley, who then found out So much money to these individuals who didn't really challenge much. He said, You know, they said the right things and I feel like that's another confusing thing is people will they have the terms to say. But when you're looking at what they do, you don't belong to any organization on the ground. If you look out who they work with, they only work with other academics in universities receiving fellowships up to $500,000 a year. They don't represent the average working class person. And it's no shade to them because I feel like we, we need people to study and to research and to write. But it's a problem when you're taking all the resources and you're not giving back to the people on the ground. And that's my critique. There are what we can do about media we can support media Who actually lifts up our voices like breakthrough media? It's a new organization that's coming out of the People's forum, the people's farmers movement incubator here in New York City. And we launched our own media, who are doing reports on what's happening around the United States and people's movements. And I think the more we circulate that with social media has definitely helped, the more we can actually get the voices of people who are actually on the ground, lift it up. And I think it's important for us to also just challenge people like, yeah, we hear your analysis, and we see your pictures that you've taken. But what are you doing to make sure some of those funds that you're allocating are going back to the people who were actually impacted? It's another question. And can you share the most popular training requests you give from community or Organizations, activists, etc. was interesting in Ferguson. Were one I was only supposed to be there for three weeks. And had Darrin fields who was murdered and Ferguson who is an activist. No one knows exactly what happened. It's like a mystery. And he continued to nudge me and say, like, I want to learn how to do that. I want to learn how to build a website, I want to yo teach me how to build something. And people are actually really hungry to learn how to create and build. So I would say website development was definitely number one, digital security is by far the most requested. People want to know, what can they do to protect themselves often you know, it's it's just your behavior. As I tell people, you can have all the latest tools. But if you're still sharing your information if you're like texting out in the open and anyone, anyone can look at you, it's your behavior, how you carry yourself like we all need to, you all kind of grew up with. So given kind of accepting that we don't have any rights or own privacy in this, like, we don't have anything to hide, because we were taught privacy and doing something in private means doing something that is wrong. Um, so a lot of us we don't have just the mindset of privacy. And I think that's the number one thing that we can help teach. Interesting enough, is in the tech activist courses, and workshops, even when we're doing one day workshops, I'll have about like, 80 students come in, you'll see like 40% being young people And like 45% being actually people 60 years old and and over who have been hacked or they don't really know how to use online tools. And I would say that's another thing that we're seeing a lot in our community.
So, I have about one minute left. And I have a lot of questions, so I'm not too sure what to answer. I don't think we can answer it in one minute. But again, I just wanted to thank you all. If you send me questions through my social media handle, I'll be sure to answer or I can go to the online discussion with hope dotnet and keep the conversations going. Again, I wanted to thank you all, for welcoming me to your space. I really enjoyed my time and I'm hoping next time we get to really collaborate and continue this discussion and work together. Thank you so much.
Hi everyone I think I'm on.
I'm Gabriella Coleman, the former speaker and I just wanted to thank you so much for that amazing, engaging, thoughtful, educational, inspiring talk. I'm so happy that it's online as a resource for others to use and learn from. So I just hope you will return to hope when it's in person and have a wonderful day. Thank you so much for for participating today.