#183 - Changing Your Lifestyle Even If It's Against The Grain with Andy Pope .mp3
3:53AM Jul 25, 2019
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Guys, welcome to the chief life podcast. I'm Matthias Turner joined by co host AC litre. Hey guys, and today we're coming at you from the Philippines. negros continental, Oriental oriental. Sorry. And we're at Jimmy Getty or just just south of didn't get Is it still Canada's Doom getting here
it is, but it's the miniscule school Darwin. Okay, who's the actual area that we're in?
So it shows how much research
Luckily, we have Andy part with us yeah, is an amazing host of this beautiful resort that we get to hang out in this week.
Yeah, so we're Atlantis. And like we said, don't we just build Getty, which is really cool. We come over here as a bit of a bit of a holiday bit of a Woods like an awesome resort that's right on the beach. And I'm actually doing my open water divers course, which is six days, has already done it. But she can't do any diving at the moment. She's pregnant, but and he's been hosting us and we've had some really cool conversations over the last few days. And we're like, this is great, let's, let's get you on a podcast and talk a little bit more in depth about your journey because you're coming from it from another side, which is you've gone through it from start to finish by yourself really. And from talking to other professionals and getting to do it all. I guess from your own standpoint and having your own gauges and bits and pieces as you go through. Maybe before we get into it a little bit deeper, like give us a little bit more of an understanding about yourself any like where do you come from? What's your background? And how did you end up living in the Philippines. So I'm 49 years old now when I was 23. Back in 1992 I got invited out on a holiday world was a little bit of a different place then
arrived in Puerto Galera fell in love with everything about it, especially the diving came back in 1993 to do my dive master course which was supposed to be a three month sabbatical before getting a proper job in Hong Kong as my parents still asked me when I'm going to get a proper job in inverted commas. So since then, I've been in the dive business in the Philippines as an instructor and dive master Diageo manager, and eventually owning part owning my own resorts which you're now part of. So I've been doing that for the last nearly 20 years now.
fell in love with a local lady in Portugal era, and we've been married for 20 years have a 18 year old daughter and a 12 year old daughter who I wish would follow some of the things that you guys preach.
We'll get there one day.
Something that we've like you said it is a bit of a change road now but something that we tend to notice when we're in Manila, and when we come down to do it just to drive out, we noticed how many fast food shops there are. And they're literally everywhere. It seems so convenient just to go and get fast food. And realistically, I would always think that the local food would be better. And you see everyone with their carts driving around and getting around that you could go to how the people like there were packed, all of the fast food shops was still very busy and very full. And you said literally up until four, four or five years ago that was you used to go to the fast food shops every once in a while very much. So yeah,
very convenient, very easy way of eating. And Manila is a pretty dreadful place in that sense, in that you've got Johnny be jacking Kentucky Fried Chicken and the rest of them on pretty much every street corner. So if you're in a hurry, or you want more TZ, you're going to end up in in one of those places
you want some air conditioning.
Yeah, or I condition. The movie used a lot for that in Manila, a lot of people go out just the just to get the cooler. Yeah,
it blows me away a little bit because like, obviously, they do have such good chefs here like the cooking in general. And I thought it would be a very cultural thing to bring it up within your family is that
we were speaking on the chef we've had access to for the last few days are there more so
provincial life is once you get out of the cities it is and and there are obviously good places to eat in the cities. But once you get out of the city, you get to what we call sort of provincial life. And that is far more natural. And they're more likely to use the local ingredients, which includes all the good stuff like coconut, coconut oil, good, very good fish. And it's all fresh and local. Although unfortunately, more and more provinces, the big malls and their Caribbean and people will end up switching to the bad stuff or rather than sticking with with what they've had all the time. The other good thing is that in the provinces, there's a much better balance of light more what's a general sort of outside life with some activity in it, and so on. Whereas, in Manila, you tend to be stuck in a high rise building. And now in a taxi and back in another high rise building.
Yes. And so what caused the change for you from living the way that you were to then going on your health journey.
So I do, I've always run a lot since I was bad 11. I've always enjoyed competing and racing. And when we move from Puerto Galera, to Manila, about 10 years ago, I started racing again. And I very quickly went from doing five k races to 42 gay races, very quickly went from a 42 to 50, and some fairly silly things in the mountains of the Philippines, the Philippines. And I was looking for a panacea for that long distance running, how do I get more energy? How do I get through it, I can go with the gels and some of the other stuff. And I ran into another guy, guest of yours, Chad Davis, a mutual friend of ours. And we went out for lunch one day, and I picked up a bit of bread that was in the middle of the table. And he said, don't eat that. And I actually haven't touched bread since that day that is and we had about a three hour lunch. He was kind of the beginning of his journey as well at that time. And we discuss low carb, sort of high fat diets. And while that is not a panacea for long distance running, it did start me on a journey, which is actually taking my mind running way, way down and other good things like meditation and getting sunlight and diet and so on way, way out. So it's been a been an interesting four years now just over four years.
Yeah, so cool. And I think so you'd say just them was obviously, transitioning away from high carb diet, it made your running like it was just the natural formation for you to start to reduce the amount that you were doing to running but it's not like you don't I'm still doing German style training, right? Like you're still running or swimming or doing something good.
So I'm still I'm still exercising probably five or six days a week. Although it's a lot more very now. I what I didn't realise at the time was if you would ask me even when I was running marathons, I was said I would have said, I'm doing it because I'm competing and I love running. And I would have told you it was not calories in calories out. I say I eat what I want, I do what I want. But what I've realised since is that actually my subconscious was very much I was running so I could eat and drink what I wanted. And it's been able to be what I was stunned out with the sort of the basic whole food low carb, good fat diet was that within about three months, I had dropped five kilos, and I was running less rather than more. And then my wife didn't change and it hasn't changed since then. I'm about I'm five foot 10 I'm about 72 three kilos. Yeah, pretty much anything I do one change that within the parameters of the way I live
your body composition change in a favourable Yeah.
So now I enjoy far more balancing the running with swimming, CrossFit, some deadlifts, and whatever else might might sort of be around so it's a little bit more of a holistic approach. Fortunately, scuba diving on its own one won't burn too many calories.
snorkelling have a doing some free diving stuff that's actually very dense and calories, like what you'll burn on your body is ridiculous now, I think it's something around the lines of if you go for like a half hour an hour doing interviews, guys and bits and yet this and the skin diving that you burn is something ridiculous compared it's like three or four times the amount that you'd get if you were to just go on a regular run.
Is that because you're in a hypoxic type state? So yeah,
I think that's got something a lot to do with it. Yeah, my boxing breath old. So
Just remember don't don't skin diver after school. You learn about that in your in your academics.
You don't want to be bouncing up and down. After you've got an idea in your body.
Yeah, no, it's been very insightful. And doing the course I started yesterday. And a lot of it to start with was just all the computer works. I've sat down for a good six hours yesterday and just knocked out as much as I could. Then about another hour this morning. I finished it out. So it was cool. I got to start doing the pool, pool work and bits and pieces today, which was really cool. I was impressed you were still
awake when I saw you at the table sort of four or five hours.
But I mean, I'd gone through the discovery snorkelling, snorkelling dive in the morning, which is where you pretty much say, hey, come and check out what scuba diving was all about. And we literally, we walked off of the beach at the front of the resort here, and swam out. Not even, I think, probably 50 metres before I saw a sea turtle. And then I saw all these forms of life. And then we got to some literature, Carl, and it was just incredible. Like, what you guys have just here is absolutely insane. And suddenly that you've had while we've been here is a bunch of like famous underwater photographers coming to this location because they know how good the rave actually is, and what they can see here. what's what's different to say somewhere like here compared to the rest of the world? Well, we are in the in the centre of the Coral Triangle that covers this, this part of the world and actually other location vertical era is actually considered pretty much the centre of biodiversity in in the coal train, which basically means on the planet, but you guys are talking about going over to appa roof. So for example, there are something like 700 different species of coral. In in the Coral Triangle, there are 400 of those on that one island. So that's somewhere where you put your your head in the water, and you just go wow, or regardless of how many times you've been in the water or what you've done. But yeah, we have a lot of places you go diving, you'll go off the beach, and it's normally considered a second rate dive. We've had people that have been with us that have done 10 or 15,000 dives and just happy just to go off the beach, and which kind of shows you just just once a year. And so
yeah, for sure. We're doing a bit of research on apo Island. And it says that there's 1000 people actually living there with no electricity and no running words, right.
But they do manage to sell sarong, so make sure you take some money
out to the boat, and we'll have sarongs and T shirts, we
mean even just for them to get in their canoes and come over with high
school over there. And actually, if you walk onto the island, they have a signpost with directions pointing all over the globe with like x thousand miles to San Francisco, which
I really love about travelling is obviously getting to see the different cultures and bits and pieces like where we are. There's obviously people around us who are living like it's a resort. It's absolutely heavenly. Yet you look to the left and to the right. And there's still people who are paddling out fishing every single day with their nets. And there's still the lady who's collecting her coconuts. And there's still like the goats next door, and then the guy on the beach. Yeah, guys. Like it's still obviously life still happens, which is really awesome. I think that's what I probably love about travel the most is gain to see cultures.
A lot of those here, kind of going back to this on a diet and health in the provinces. A lot of those are the older people you see. And they are incredibly lean, incredibly healthy, and they may well be in their 60s 70s or 80s. And still very active. Yeah. And it's a shame that the obviously the typically at least the younger generations aren't following the examples of their grandparents and great grandparents.
Yeah, and actually, we've been doing some form of exercise, most mornings, planned exercise similar to you, you know, go for a run or do some yoga or a CrossFit workout. And I remember commenting to you yesterday that it's quite odd for the stuff to see people doing that, because they don't do that because they're so active in their lives.
Yeah, definitely the dive staff, the guys carrying around the tanks and so on. A few of the other staff could may be benefiting from an organised activity.
I mentioned that in our talk on
Yeah. And so I mean, for you, you do a lot of travel and you still managed to, I guess look after your lifestyle. Like I mean, a lot of the forms of excuses that we come across is like I travelled too much for work. I don't have time because of work.
The places I'm going don't have good quality food. Yeah.
Or I'm overseas so I can eat well, like all these different things that happen yet. You like a walking living proof that you can definitely make it happen and fit it into your lifestyle. How How long did it kind of take for the transition from don't eat that bread to now, four years down track what you've got your set meals and menus that you go to,
I think you agile, I think it's still a work in progress. And and there are not every day is as good as you would necessarily Hope it to be. I think as we've chatted about over dinner over the last few nights, and so on, it's about about getting your boundaries in the right place. And if your boundaries are along the lines of the worst thing you're doing is it is sort of dark chocolate, or sweet potato chips or sort of something along along those lines versus when your worst thing is McDonald's and packets of candy and that type of thing. But for me, the big thing with travel and that type of lifestyle is actually is planning. That's what's really I'm quite a OCD organised type of person, which drives some people mad. It is quite a useful trait when it comes to actually thinking ahead. And and when I watch my 18 year old daughter try and sort her diet out on a on a minute to minute basis, you're you're obviously far more prone to making poor decisions. I think if you know that you're travelling in today's time, and you start to think ahead about it. A lot of the stuff I read about getting into better diets was thinking ahead, if you're going to a party, maybe eat something before you go to the party. So you're not as hungry when you get to the party. And you're not likely to delve into the things that you would ideally prefer not to. And it's the same when you're travelling. So if you plan on fasting day, and you're only planning to drink water, things can go too far wrong. Or you take things with you or you you plan to eat a certain part of whatever is available. But travel is a tough one. Because airports are probably amongst the worst places on the planet to try and find anything apart from a black coffee. It's
it's actually very, very funny. You're talking about what you usually travel with, like the things that you go to to travel with. And I think it was a day later. I'm like, hey, Andy, could you like tell us where you get these things? right? Exactly the exact same way that I was thinking like we're travelling in a week, we had trouble on the way here because we asked for gluten free meals, it didn't happen. So we had to have backup plans. And luckily enough, in Australia, we were able to get some some all right food, it cost us an arm and a leg to get it. But snacks and bits and pieces to get through. And so I was like, how do we do that in the white back? So you don't necessarily know
I actually thought about that this morning. We're gonna have Barry Do you? Do you take your
I know, I will go to real food in Manila and find some good things we
can gather from it really does come down to like what you just said that we're a week out from our flight. Before we even start thinking about these things. Yeah, it is really about planning and setting up the parameters. And that's something that I work with a lot with the nutrition coaching clients I work with is Hey, what parameters what guidelines you're going to put on when you're out in a social situation like I don't want you to stop socialising at all. Because that's really important. That's actually a connexion and being with people is super important. But you don't have to necessarily do every single thing that they're doing. If they're lean, and they eat whatever the food they want, but you're not lean and you eat whatever food you want, then maybe you need to look at that. Like that's a situation where you've got control of it. And like the two things we can always control as our food. And then probably how much retrain.
And I want to play devil's advocate there because Okay, they're reading what they want. And they may look healthy on the outside, but we don't know what's going on on the inside. And the future self might not be as healthy also. But whilst you're speaking about social interactions, I love what you were saying about your youngest daughter, the biggest impact. I mean, you said you wish that take on more of what you're doing. But your youngest daughter now won't touch phosphorus, she'll go out with her friends and she weren't either.
Yeah, one of one of those, we just to go back to something that Maddie was saying that, after trying this with the family for the first few months, I went through it, and with some success, but also an awful lot of stress. One of the roles I put in place was was no stress. This, this whatever I'm doing in my life cannot create stress for me or for my family. And I've probably 80 90% managed to sort of stick to that role as I've developed and learned along the way. But yeah, one of the successes we had was the we obviously cut out any form of fast food, and that has stuck. And my youngest daughter who's only 12 will actually go out with friends and sit in a fast food and just have water or whatever and wait for our friends to finish. And that's by her total own free will, which I'm incredibly happy about because at least it's one, one box ticked just another few to go.
That's I mean, that's something that we have a lot of pushback on is more you don't have kids, you don't know how hard it is to get them to change their mindset or to change their food. My kids only packaged food all their only high sugar foods. How did you start like where was the starting point with you and your kids?
Well, actually, that's a good point, especially for where you guys are in your journey is is a lot of it is about where you start. So when Nicole was my eldest daughter was growing up kind of zero to five years old, we lived in Puerto Galera and the provinces. One of the poor things that is very normal in Philippine provinces is what they call soft drinks, which basically means fizzy Coke, fans or whatever. And that is drunk breakfast noon and night with everything. So we live a very sort of open door policy year. So you open your door in the morning, and people from the community and your friends family just wander in and out all day, which is very nice. But one of the rules that I said was that our house would not have any soft drinks in it. So from day one, the kids grew up, not having soft drinks. And it's interesting now, the neither and wanted, they actually they'll occasionally maybe have a sprite or something if we're travelling. And they'll normally drink a third of it or maybe half of it and leave a taste wait for it's too sweet. And it's it's not what they're looking for. And as I say it doesn't mean by any means the that's sort of any type of perfection. But they it when you put the rules in place to start with. And there are not certain things around that is the easiest way. Yeah. So obviously you guys are going to have a lot less sugar and a lot of sweet stuff around the house. Which means that when they do try that sweet stuff, they're actually a lot less lonely two to one. Yeah.
So it probably almost is easier for us because we've got the education before we've had the kids.
Yes, I wish. Yes. The trying to change bed at any age, I think is is a real
tough part. Yeah. I mean, the same time it does come down to I think, to some extent educating the kids like obviously, there would have been other foods and bits and pieces they might have had access to although they didn't have soft drink was the other, for instance, packaged foods and bits and pieces that were being used for convenience sake that Oh, absolutely.
At the time when the time I'm referring to when my oldest daughter was in infancy and young years was I mean, my diet was I thought it was okay, you've been I've obviously seen them since learned that it was full of all the nasties, a lot of sugar, a lot of processed food and stuff, although there was fruit and vegetable and so on in there. But yeah, a lot of the bad stuff. So
and you spoke before about transitioning to a lower carb higher fat diet. And I guess for the listeners to just clarify that what any means by that is just getting rid of the processed crap.
Yeah, it's gotta
have like healthy carbohydrates and starchy vegetables in there.
Yeah, absolutely. And it started off as
following a diet and trying to eat certain things and not eat certain things. But what I've learned over the last four years is that it's really about moving unless you're really going to measure your food and go to the extremes of a paleo diet or something similar. It's really about looking at the scale of fast food and junk and candy on obviously the poor and, and then that paleo measured diet on the other end of the scale, and just trying to keep the balance towards the good Whole Foods. And if people ask me, I actually tell people, I'm not on a diet, I just eat decent old food, and I won't touch stuff that comes out of the box, typically out of a can. or any of the big carbs, or any of the heavily processed carbs. I do tend to eat a lot of good fats I found that done me well. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I think something that I really liked is that with your staff, you you like your coach staff, you went to them and said, Look, these are the foods are deep all the time. These are the foods I'll eat occasionally. And these are the foods that I'll never eat. Like as a list of foods, you can go through them and select from this know that this was never welcome and anything you making for me compared to the foods that are very favourable. That's a really good thing almost for people to stand by us like they did something you keep saying throughout this little talk is, what do you set up as the non negotiable compared to the things that you
I've, I've heard that in other people's podcast, that's a great way of putting it is that you decide where your lines are, and you don't cross those lines. But with other than that, you've got some degree of flexibility and if you are out with friends, or if you are at a restaurant, and it makes it a little bit easier to make some of those choices. But but for sure, yeah, right. I probably should explain that. I eat around half my meals at home where I home cook or my wife or a dozen books. And then I am incredibly blessed because we have that we own two resorts to have an entire to kitchen staff to cook for me is as you say, I can provide a list of ingredients and be cared for and we have two very who you've met here and Marlon in Puerto Galera, who have been great over the four years developing all sorts of goodies and good food. I think you had a lunchtime as well with you. Yeah,
yeah, incredible. We went away with it literally like a packet of bliss balls we brought up with us and we said do you reckon you can make these he's like yeah, give me a day. I'll not bring him to you tomorrow. And then sure enough, he came out with the goods.
Three different flavours as well. Yeah. And I guess the other thing that I love about is you've given them a selection of foods you will eat and then it's up to them and their creative licence. So they're then getting to explore their own vocation and enjoy what they're doing rather than just being told what to
do very much and I hope you get to visit Puerto Galera one day because our chef there Marlon is actually was a pretty much followed this himself having watched me he's actually taken on the diet himself and has gone from being quite without being rude quite chubby to lean and mean and the gym and loving life yeah, and a lot more awake and a lot more involved in things as well.
You've been thriving Yeah. I
I wanted to share something else that you told us and I weren't include stuff names in case they want to listen to this, I want to stay anonymous. But when when Chad came to speak previously, to staff about some health stuff, and a couple of them took on some some stuff and as a husband and wife that that work here together. And one of them was walking around smiling a lot. And everyone was like what's going on there? And it's because he had made the partner extra money from like, you know, the libido came back from eating healthy. So we talked a lot about leaning up and you know, being fit and getting more done in the gym. But your everyday life improves in so many profound ways. Yes. And you know, improving love life aside, like yes, that's an awesome bonus. But there's so many other benefits that I think people forget about, from sleep to energy to just being joyful and happy where you
don't have to be hungry and horny.
That was really my my journey was was whereas they start diet and running is a very quickly ran into sleep and meditation and sort of other good practices, looking at the water you drink, getting good sunlight grounding, and realising that that holistic approach is actually what makes you feel good and hopefully makes you function well. And as you say, enjoy life.
Yeah, we've definitely seen, like the way that you get to live your life and obviously person dependent, they're going to have to make up the choices of things that they do. But it was called us sit in the restaurant space with you today. Or sorry, over the last few days, you'll do some computer work, you hop off you go out and stand on the beach and sand in the sun.
You know what he said to me the other day but anyway, praise break cigarette right? In the sand, go walk walk on the water
is like it when I was in a retail shop, the people who the cigarette smokers they used to go out all the time. And you're like what the hell they get all these breaks, I don't get these breaks what's going on. Whereas really, you could just take breathing, breathe, take it Take a few deep breaths
like sunshine break water break.
Yeah, I used to be a sort of manic no break type person. So it's actually the wanting to sort of get those moments of stillness and as well as the sun and as well as your feet in the water and all that good stuff. Yeah. I'm blessed to be able to do it.
Have you noticed productions going up or down? For me personally?
Oh, definitely. And definitely better thought processes and able to concentrate better for sure.
And they like micro meditations, right? Yes, taking that, as you say that stillness and I'm the same as you now I crave it. Whereas five years ago, I would have been like running around like a headless chicken non stop.
Well, it's also realising what is there I mean, I I am blessed to work in a fantastic location surrounded by beautiful scenery and so many days you considered a computer or in staff meetings, or whatever, and ignore everything around you. So even if it's just for a normally it is just for a few moments, but just to stand there and realise, oh, this is pretty nice.
Yeah, and got a pretty good. And I mean, even for people that don't get to work on a beach in the Philippines, they can still take those micro moments to hop outside of the office and go to a park. And you know,
I live in a little Manila. And I do spend a fair bit of time there and I do walk out in my running shorts in the middle of the day when it's 35 degrees and get some very very strange looks for my neighbours when I'm standing there in the midday sun for 20 minutes, but
they grace for you to stand on.
No, it's just the concrete unfortunately.
It just shows that you can do it wherever you are really, for the office work is just get outside it's going to be very valuable to your day.
Yeah, I've had some clients who will actually go outside in their break and take their shoes off so that they can stand on the grass in the park. Yeah, get the benefits from it.
Something that we talked about a little bit was around your training and how you found that going out will actually before you do races you will actually fast for at least 12 hours up to leading up to the race and you'll go for a race and then you'll eat after there's that common thought that you need to be carb loaded and you need to have all of these fuel up yeah all of this field to get you through something I've been doing is fasting every day and I I fast like fast train then eat after my training maybe like three or four hours. So fasted pre training, fasted post training, and I've found it actually if anything, my my training has improved recently my fitness is increased Do you find the same
thing my comp The reason originally for starting this in racism competition was was stomach issues. So I found that if I went 12 hours, I avoided any of those nasty toilet stops that you don't want to have during a race. Yeah. But most of my training in recent years has been in the morning because in the Philippines, it's normally in the 30s by mid morning so you're either going to train early morning or early evening or not at all. So I didn't
socialise yes in the morning.
So early mornings it has been and I've never been able to exercise immediately after food I've never been able to go like eat something and then go and exercise so that kind of naturally meant at least a sort of, I guess a 1012 hour break normally between last meal and and exercising as I've learned more about fasting and about exercising fasting and then staying fasted for a couple hours afterwards to to burn fat. It feels great. The way you feel and the way you perform. I can't imagine exercising full I have the complete opposite mindset. I have to exercise empty and I feel much better for
more efficient at burning fat that way.
I think so. Yeah. So definitely by everything guys, I've read I mean, as I say, I never got into the diet side of things for specific weight reasons. Although, I did realise that I say my subconscious thinking was a little different to that which I would have admitted at the time. Yeah,
And you've also put some things in place around your sleep as well. You use the blue blocking glasses
so at home when I when the evening is in a in Manila and in a house and typically dinner and then an hour of Netflix or some reading or something. Yeah, the biggest change to my sleep was the blue blocks. And I think I actually got those from you guys. One of your podcast. That's
awesome. Maybe even with me, man. Yeah, it was
Yeah. So I ordered those and got them shipped to the Philippines from Australia. Right
And the the total the red ones the total blocking ones. I think I was telling you the other night I were those people two or three hours a night gunky my eyes open. It's incredible. Yeah. So yeah, that combined with some magnesium spray, and some downtime before sleep. About 90% of the time works sometimes the monkey brain still going yeah, yeah, it's a lot different.
Actually. Did you test out the breathing this morning? Did you wake up for the crack of dawn? I
didn't wake up last night. We'll try we'll try it.
Yeah, so we were talking to Andy because we do similar thing where we wake up after six hours because that's just our usual routine. And we'll wake up go to the toilet. And because we're on holiday, we nice to go back to sleep. And so we've been using some breathing techniques to help us get another sort of sleep cycle in afterwards and Andy has been waking up ridiculous like well, it would be nice for him to get another hour and a half sleeping. So we'll see how the breathing goes
yeah, that's very interesting with the like the whole routine the thing you're doing before bed so much like once your body knows that that's the routine it works even faster as well. So for instance, I get home from work and put on my glasses and within 2030 minutes I'll start to feel that way like the body just knows Okay, it's good time to switch off start to get ready for bed. Whereas when I first started it was like the two hour mark before you start you're really tired you couldn't keep your eyes awake. So it was very interesting how your body adjust based on the routine that you're doing. And obviously the sleep environment is a massive thing as well with you guys here with it being dead hot in the middle of summer. All year round right? What What have you done I guess to make your sleep better when you're at home. That's all of those things. So
that is for me that works a lot easier when I'm home when I'm out there resorts while it's great fun The hardest thing is we were fairly social in the evening. So drinking having dinner with people tends to mean I generally eat later than I would like to and generally tend to end up going to my room closer to bedtime which gives less of that wind down time and yeah, I don't want around the resort with blue box on his own although I should
wear them to dinner the last was Yeah, we'll start a trend
down with me thinking I bet Stacey
we've got that here. We've just been
around Netflix before bed.
But now in regards to like actual like when you're at home Do you make sure the room is called a
very much so so I think it's trying to remember the book I think Sean Stevenson's book 2020 ways to sleep better was I mean was the first book I read. Yeah. Regarding sleep and boat but the basics in that a fantastic in the sense cold, dark, quiet wherever I am. I can't sleep unless it's cold, dark, quiet. And I do carry the sleep mask around with me. So if it's not dark, or where that I taper night, which is a fairly recent thing. My wife thinks I'm insane.
For the live taping. About previously. Yeah, definitely to help breathing through the nose.
Yeah. Were you were snore prior to that?
No, actually, no, but I am a very much a mouth breather. And some of the side reading I've done over the last couple of years is taking me towards some of the breathing courses. And Wim Hof, which I think we talked about. And
he heard of Brian McEwen.
Yes, yeah. And you had a podcast with him. Yeah. And I think I read the book after that.
Yeah. Yeah, my country YQ and Brian Mackenzie both breathing guys. Yeah, by focus on our Yeah, sorry.
Yeah. And I've actually started one of the changes I made is now I actually run breathing through my nose whereas before I was a complete mouth breather. And that's that's incredibly hard, actually. Yeah,
it is. It is. It really makes you so bit
yeah, it's it's a big difference.
Did you see a change in your sleep quality when you started taping? Huge?
Yeah, yes, one of them a lot. This stuff I think you do in the realm of wellness and trying to be a little bit healthier, a little bit better. The changes are very small and a lot of either unnoticeable or, or accumulate over time. But something like the blue blocks glasses for me, and the taping that the typing is kind of instantaneous. It's, yeah, a lot better quality of sleep.
And actually just doing a partnership at the finalised or with a company that creates it's like a math tape that has a breathing section through the middle so you tape over your mouth that you can still breathe through it. Just like a little bit. So it stops people having the panic the Yeah, this
is ripping it off.
on me, he managed to stick it on me in the middle of the night. Just part of the taping life.
Actually, speaking of sleep masks, blue blocks are about to bring out hardcore, like amazing sleep mask. So yeah, keep an eye out for that. Yeah, and he was telling me about it.
So I mean, you said that you pretty much came here and you found the but you can get invited on a scuba trip and then stay because it was just so incredible when you came back do you still get to go on to enjoy the school bring yourself
Oh, very much so yeah, both the kids dive. I'm still very active or not maybe not as active as I should be. But I still get a lot of enjoyment from it. Yeah, the underwater world is never ceases to fascinate you or or amaze you and still finding new things even after 25 years in
body you're some like some of your favourite things to see.
And what we are well known for the for the critters, so it's the small stuff, the little blue ring dogs purse, and little goes by fish and groundfish and things like that, and they're all pretty cool to see. Yeah.
Well, like I saw clownfish. Yes, that was incredible.
Says Finding Nemo is his favourite movie.
The like the little CLIA shrimp with like the purple lights almost on it looks like also saw what were the eels called or told you about the
garden? Neil's Yeah. And there's literally like, they look like plants. And as you go closer to them, they duck their heads down into the sand and just get away from it.
And I mean, that was your first scuba diving experience ever.
Yeah, like I've done snorkelling, obviously, which is really cool. But I mean, this is a whole new world where you go and you can kind of sit and look around the whole cost the time you get Yes, exactly. The be with them.
Some of the cameras that they've had here have been pretty extreme over the weekend. Yeah. Have you ever used any of those?
No, I haven't. I'm worried about getting into photography, underwater photography, just because of the I think it would absorb me totally. And
all the money I should be spending on my kids education.
I guess while we're there with your kids education, like Was that something that you had to? Was that something you ever worried about living in Philippines? It's probably actually the biggest, maybe not maybe worries the wrong word, but it was logistically and working out where to live and how to live? Yeah, it was certainly a concern. I mean, the provincial education in the Philippines they they try very hard, but it's it's not an Australian or Western standard. So we ended up eventually moving to Manila and my kids have had the benefit of an international education in Manila, which is been great.
And once they both finished, because I'm CU Otis is just finished. And what's your youngest finishes? Do you think that you guys will leave Manila full time and move?
There's an interesting question. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what will happen. And we still want six years to go so many times.
Yeah. No rush.
Definitely. Oh, I think that that kind of encompasses a lot to share with the listener.
Question. Is there anything that you wanted to share about the results because obviously our listeners majority being in Australia, you know, it's not that far to come here to this amazing place? Yeah, definitely. Seeing the one result but they both sound fantastic,
very easy to get to. So flights into into Manila, I think pretty much daily from Sydney and Brisbane, Brisbane, Melbourne
and we, we we flew from Brisbane to Sydney. So we can do an early morning flight from Sydney, and go straight through as 111 day going to Sydney to Manila, Manila down to
do getting and doing again is just an hour's domestic flight. Yeah, I'm from Manila. Puerto Galera is a two hour van ride and an hour boat ride from Manila. So you can do that. Any daytime hours? Yeah. Yeah. And then the results are great setup. So obviously, we are dives dedicated dive resorts but anybody who wants to come and just do some yoga or just chill out or use this
Yeah, and and and as you've seen the food and ambience and everything else is just great places to be around.
Definitely. Yeah. It's been a perfect holiday for us. So thank you very much. Yeah, definitely.
It was quite interesting. So we got here late at night and driving through Jimmy Getty like it's very it really reminded me of the other Asian countries the Thailand Bali. Like the the scenery and everything is very much the same. And then as we drove down into the way we turned off the main road, came down to this little side street and then tucked away into the hotels. And we got to the gate that pulled over the gate and we came on in no Assad was just like this magical little land and it's quite cool. All of the it's almost like the the forestry the jungle that you've joined here. Yeah, the gardens are incredible. Yeah, they so much say that there's like poor poor and pineapple and bits and pieces all over the place. And like textbook as possible. All over, which is really cool. And the food has been incredible. Like, like you said, you. Yeah, the local food is incredible, the amount of fruit and vegetables that we've had. But also like you're saying the free range meat, which has been incredible as
well. Yeah. If any of your listeners want to come and learn today, feel free to drop us a line. And we'll come into it. Yeah.
Well, thank you very much, Andy. Appreciate your time. And we'll add the details of the resort to the show notes. So people are interested in finding out more they can check out the website and
anyone who wants to do diving who is a previous dialogue. I would say come and check it out based on just what we've heard from not yourself, not only yourself, but also the visitors here like a physical well known all around the world who've come here to photograph all that here. I think that's incredible. kind of speaks volumes for itself. And if you want to look at some amazing photos, check out the Atlantis resort results. Yeah, on Instagram. Yeah, I'll link that as well. Cool. Thanks, man. Thank you. Visit us at the Chief live.com where you can book in feel free nutrition console. See how you stack up on the optimal health score God as well as figure out the best nutrition journey for yourself.