Berlin Lab 2019 Day 1 Session 3
2:06PM Feb 15, 2019
different story about the arising of mine.
And it's a different story, which is,
but that's i said before
base on this thing. Research and theories. It's not our don't have
a dog the the the way we tied together Yes of course but for who is interested one day of class we will do also the list of references but just to say a few important names Medallia and viola, they wrote the different a theory of combination. The famous book, it's called the tree of knowledge,
directly interesting to read. And
the other one is Damasio.
They are a cognitive scientists and biologists and the max DiMaggio is a narrow biologist.
you have a
copy easy, there is a
book which is calling today a system view of life. And they are one is efficiencies. The other one is a biologist. This is only to give you a woman, I don't know if we'll ever get
there. But just
to to, to make clear, it's not clear,
a Okay, so cognition,
I see the tower or
something like that. So what you see on the left is our dear Amoeba,
that we come back to her all the time when we speak about combination, because cognition, which means to know it's usually again, it's thought in terms of humans, but actually, it does happen at all levels of life. Which means if you drop an amoeba, a
water between perceived gradients of sugar, and it will act upon it,
and the fact that it can perceive an act, it's the basic
action of combination.
And what you see there on the right is the, the cycle of action perception, which we actually designed in our first laboratory, where you have an environment you have the organism doing an action upon the environment, from these extracting information, for example, it moves a bit and it discovers that there is a bit more sugar to the right, so you act with action, you extract information. And by that, you know, so you act upon the environment, and, you know, the environment. And
of course, when we speak of the environment, not all organisms learn the same things from the same environment a, they can decide what to notice, and which kind of response to give to the trigger. So if it's me, looking at this flower, or it's a big looking at the flower, we perceive two completely different things, I perceive beauty and the smell,
I'm inspired or not, or start to sneeze, the bead perceives food, food resources, a, the type of food, the condensation of food, so we have two completely different over cheese in German
And it's tense for what
yeah, it's 10 for the fact that each one of us create the kind of forums by and they act of combination, why, you know, you kind of create the world that it's the world of your
perceptions and actions.
It's it's kind of fade it, it was a theory that emerged in biology in which it wasn't the first time that people said, we cannot consider everything from the standpoint of humans, because a dog to see something which is very different than Dr. Flies is something which is very different. So each species has its own own, and then it will take an even farther than this and to say, we all have slightly different convert. Because of this autonomy, we can choose what to perceive and how to respond to what we perceive
as from this idea of combination as this action perception. Then we come to the to the famous statement of Matawan umbrella. Which is to leave us to know which means if something is alive, by leaving it knows, and then cognition actually take place at all levels of life. It's not only where there is a nervous system and the brain
It is enough to be alive. And cognition is part
a, what does it mean?
So if you think of an organism, one of the things that we are seeing is that the organism is continuous change, what does it mean that even if it is an amoeba, it constantly gets a bit ruined. And it fixes itself. That's why we we to fix ourselves, because we are aware that down by the environment, and we constantly restructure our body. So if you take a human, every around three months, all the cells of the body are actually recycle, renew. So you have to kind of continuous change one, it's this cyclical change, which is a change of renewal, which we do all the time. And the other type of change, it's when we actually change. And then this is divided the mentality, for example, when she grows it, it's not only the recycling, it's not only the regeneration, it's also the change that is being included within the body. So why this is important for us, because these changes are actually changes in structure, What changes is the structure, it's either renewed, or it is slightly modified. And when you have why the focus went away?
immediate Miriam. Yes? Can you please move a bit to the right, because it's focusing on, you know, move on. So the chairs are not a Wi Fi
idea, OK. So now, it should focus on that,
and also the chair by Charlotte to adopt
So seamless and transparent.
why this is important for us, because as I said, all of this change are changing structure. And they are changing structure that are triggered by the environment. And this actually is the definition of memory, which means there is something which is triggered by some kind of event in the environment that remains in the structure that is being changed. This is the definition of, of memory. And this is also the definition of learning, which means when you learn, what happens is that you are changing in a fashion
it is no,
no, I don't,
okay. So. And if we say that this happens at every level of life, which means you have discussed continuous structural changes that operate as a sort of memory and as a as a kind of learning, then we can say that actually combination and intelligence are present to all levels of life,
which is a very different perspective, from the one that we usually have that we usually are born into
now this, I really want you to look at it, it's a very nice presentation,
don't see it all but almost
so this is a map of evolution from a the beginning of life 4.5 billion years ago, which is in the middle of the graph, where it's within zero. And then in the two directions, it's actually the same timeline that goes from zero to four and a half billion, no, sorry, three and a half 3.8 billion from the first live till today. And you see that it begins down to the left, this is bacteria, okay, they are the first to appear. And after immediately after, it's the archive, and the Phone Guy, and then the clans, and then the pink, we are entering the animals and the fish and so on and so forth. And us is actually the very, very last point
kind of small
Now, this can be understood that the fact that there are a number of species which are evolving for billions of years,
and we as a species are evolving for few minutes, more or less.
So they they say that we have held until not long ago, that everybody is totally done until it gets to us the last minute of the graph, and then suddenly are intelligent. It's kind of arrogant, kind kind kind of Bergen.
And so now what?
So how can we, what can we do what what good
yeah, that's, that's, it means their size of
because we are in the last point, but we
is what it means is that we appear when the scale of time we appear at the very end of the scale of time, and we have very little thickness of evolution,
okay. And the species it's, it's very narrow, we are one species, okay, we come up on Saturday, and understand like the were a few species somewhere somehow, and then it's left they almost appearance.
And the notion is that all these organisms are alive today,
all of the organizations that arrived to the top, they're all alive today, only the last they are all alive today, the last parameter, and they are always still evolving,
because usually, the way we see it, it's like, then there is this kind of growing three, they evolve the first on the level of the roots, and then a bit of time, and then the branch and then on the very top of the cherry, that that it's us. And this gives us a bit of a different understanding, which all of these organism are constantly still evolving. And we are the all the last one that came out. So we emerged on a very high level of complexity, because life was already complex. So I'm not downgrading the level of complexity and capacity and the ability I'm just changing the, the, the scope of where all of these capacities emerge and exist,
it's a nice picture it says someone it's it's a infographic it's a I having the reference is
ok. So what we have seen to hear, what we have said to hear basically is that
process is coupled with structure, you're going to get to the Life
Project processes company we structure so process take place over structure and it produces Proctor. This is part of the cognition and this correlation that was done between the process of cognition and the process of life, that to be alive, it means to know otherwise you cannot stay alive. If you cannot know the circumstances in your environment, you're going to die a second after, because you don't know how to search for food, how to run from prey, etc. And the other thing which is important for us is that these structures are not fixed the, our dynamics and they are dynamic because they change all the time cyclical and developmental
and, and they can be read as patterns of connection, it's one way to understand the structure is then there are patterns of connection.
So the organism bodies, and then eventually the nervous system. And the grains. These are dynamic structures, and they are patterns of connection.
Okay, back to the bacteria. Okay,
here they are, which you can really see. But when we say bacteria, this is mostly what we have in mind, this one cell going around alone,
this is very, this is a, I will remember them all that I think today, no money. But for me, the way that it looks, it's much closer to this image on the right, which means that you hardly ever find them alone. They're always in some kind of colony meshed and match together. And they create structures, a lot of structure like this, or even like this, this is the structure of the bacteria that we saw before. This is how it looks when they are not in a petri dish, or in a tune, or in an image of an artist in the body, they look like this, which means that one day perform it, they create a full landscape,
because you can see there is a lot of fear difference in there. This is a colony of bacteria growing on a petri dish. And you can see that as, as the morning grows in, the more structure it creates. It's colored with a food color, because they don't really have this color that great. But what you can see it's all of this landscape. And the reason why they do it, it's because they need access to oxygen. So in order to stay on together, this is the best way they have to increase the amount of surface which is exposed to oxygen.
And now why do they created this kind of colonies.
Now, the interesting part comes, when you think of the bacteria, the poor little bacteria alone, you can't do much he's going around in the water, he cannot a very, very tiny space around itself, he cannot really run he's very slow. But actually, when you put in the colony, suddenly, they can do things that the single bacteria cannot do. First of all, they can use the collective combination of all the colonies. So they come to know very fast, a much wider space, and they can suddenly take actions which are impact impacting for example, a them the design on the right, it's what they call the creation of biofilms. If you ever left
dish dish dish rag the next to the same for more than couple of weeks, and then when you try to use it in total slimy, and then you try to watch it on their water still slimy. You can put also soap and it still slime, you just have to throw it why because the bacteria created the biofilm. Now a bacteria alone you put it under the water you get lots of it goes, it doesn't have the power. But when they attaching discussion, and they created the say slimy thing, they become extremely resilient. And this is what they do on the rags. And this is what they do on all kinds of surfaces. So suddenly, they have a superpower that a single bacteria they do not have.
But their superpower that interest us is that they actually can do cognitive actions, which is pretty amazing. They can do decision making, I mean, bacteria are around for 4.5, billions. Stupid. Probably they're not,
though this was the assumption because they are tiny, tiny, tiny little little,
die from them, by the way.
So they can make a for example, decision maker, which this is really good. What do you mean bacteria making decision making. So they have many different kind of a, we are not entering into either, they have many different kinds of technologies to do this. But they they the one that it's most studied and understood, it's called quorum sensing
quorum it's a Latin word, it comes from the center, the parliament, they have been wrong. And it means when you have a quorum, it means you have enough people to make the decision legally. So what is quorum sensing? So you can look at the image to the right
So on the left, you have one bacteria and the foreign bacteria is alone. And what it does intimates a certain kind of chemical in the medium and more feelings come and they all meet these chemical in the medium, when they reach a very specific density, the molecule begins to re enter the cells. And then it ignites a different kind of process. And this is the decision making, which is made upon specific number, why now we see was
because, for example, if you catch it flow, okay, you have a few bacteria in your notes that are very friendly, because if they are not friendly, your immune system will eliminate them in a few seconds. So they really, really cool nice bacteria, then they become a bit more, they begin to reproduce, they become a bit more, they start to feel it's coming, it's about to be their moment, okay, they're less friendly, when they reach enough, then they all turn completely hostile and they attack but they attack in numbers that the immune system cannot stop there.
And this is something that they do in many different kind. For example, you have floor center bacteria, they do the same, they are not floor Center at all unless they use many of them. Because if they are florists and when they are alone, they become a target for one kinds of brains. But when they are many, and they can turn on the light, it doesn't matter. Because even if they can tweet them, there is enough of them that some will survive. So you see it in blanked on.
And the other thing that they do this is really beautiful. This is I don't know why it's not in
in there is a this is a number of colonies in a in a, you're seeing the underneath the petri dish, they're all from the same species of bacteria, but some of them belong to the same family. And some of them belong to separate family. And you can see the doors that recognize each other as a colony, they communicate between them, and the others are building very tough walls. So they can recognize themselves as a colony. Because if you remember, in the beginning, we spoke about self as the recognition they can do it at the level of the colony. And,
okay, this is another very weird and funny behavior. So the one on the left is a bacteria that can look either like the left or the right one, it's called a
one, it's called a branching something, and the other one is called aspirant, what is, the difference is that the spiral one, it's able to penetrate hostile environment. So for example, if you put antibiotics, the same bacteria, without antibiotic, it will grow like this, if there is antibiotic, it will grow like that. And this format lousy to bypass the antibiotic saying to the one to the right, you can see there are tiny little white spots at the edges. So what they do it to overcome the toxicity of the environment, they create the small vortexes where the bacteria are turning very, very fast, and producing the slimy thing. So because they turned fast, they're not killed and the slimy thing it's a kind of terraforming that make a distinction, a difference between them and the toxin.
So stupid there.
So actually, what we are saying is that colonies for bacteria are kind of the higher cognitive process so they can be alone and enjoy their single life. And then when they need to make sense of something which is a challenging or demanding or simply calling for evolution, they go into the colony modality moment, they change their self, from individuals to the colony and share what they do there, they gather information and they share it comparatively, they even exchange genes between them, they do collective decision making in multiple ways, they do what is called multicellular action, which is like the flu thing that I showed you. And they do gene gene editing, which means they can increase between them the amount of mutation that takes place in a specific gene, because they realized that they needed there is a really beautiful lead experiment. I don't know if any of you saw it, they built for the first time a petri dish of almost a what it was five, six meters like this, okay. And they put a stripes of the
substrate over which the bacteria grows, and they hold no antibiotic, a bit of antibiotic and more antibiotic, a more antibiotic or more interviews. And then they put the colonies in the to address and they checked if they can actually survive the highest level of antibiotics. Now, you see, they grow very, very fast, they come to the edge, they stop for a moment, they evolve, which when they change their genes in a fashion that they can take antibiotics, they grow, they stop, they evolved, they grow, and they stop, they evolve, just Let's run away.
They went all the way through.
And then they flushed down the toilet,
and they put them in the toilet to let them go.
I don't know.
So this if you remember who was with us last time we look at it today, slime mold, this creature that leaves most of its life alone, like one cell in the woods. And then when it becomes dry, and it's a tough living condition, they suddenly come from all over the place. Nobody understood how now we know it's a quorum sensing thing, they come from all over the place, they unified into one body and they begin to move like a slob like somebody you can see them by the I am this lab we can move very fast. So this is how they run away from bed conditions. And if they do not find a better condition, then they sprout like a little mushroom and the top ones get a distribute the spores
conditioned, a separate
a separate again,
this is the creature you see. This is how it grows. Now there are a number of species of this a slime mold one is the one that I told you before that it's a slag. This is another one which is called Plasmodium. The two it does actually Is it is it became very famous in the last few years because it solves Labyrinth better than our algorithms, which means that you put food in different places in elaborate and you let it grow. And it will give you the best mathematical path between the point
was exactly it definitely has no brain it has no never system. It's actually one suck with many includes. It's not even a multicellular,
but clearly it knows how to solve labyrinth.
OK, so now let's go a bit. Ah,
ok, I continue doing much better.
Okay, so there is another layer bit more visible a social insects, termites and, and bees, they sold stuff, which is pretty impressive. Look at this woman, she's standing next to a termite in this now termite. It's one 10th of a non
to build this thing.
It took probably millions of individuals and hundreds of generations
and it's still working. And it's really not simple what it does, because the colony lives under the ground. And under the ground, there is no oxygen.
So what this construction does, and among many other things, it allows the correct exchanges of oxygen and co2 in accordance to the amount of termites in the quality which constantly grows.
So they actually can calculate
what structure allows enough oxygen to come underground. We are not good at it.
A lot of miners died along the way, I'm serious. And today they're actually using terabytes models to make it a bit more efficient.
So the other interesting thing is that this is another example which is pretty flabbergasting. They thought that there was a bit of a Antinous. So they said, Okay, let's look at this Antinous today pumped in Bhutan concrete, concrete, okay. So it filled up. And they saw that the concrete they keep on throwing the down another truck and another tracking another track. And they discovered a CD which is which was actually 50 meters in diameter, which again, its biggest than any kind of human city, it's huge, if you will make the proportion between the size of the font and the size of the of the construction its enormous architects
CDs may not be a human intervention. And
now when I was a child, many, many, many, many years ago, they taught us that colonies are actually obeying the Queen
because it makes a lot of sense, because
there is a social structure. And the reason the Queen and the queen is this thing that is directing everybody and telling them what to do, she probably also have the blueprint of the city on the walls,
knows everything. And she's called the queen
and she's called the queen.
so actually, the Queen has nothing to do with it, it works very much as a in a way, which is similar to the bacteria which is actually very interesting, the way that it works mostly to make it fast, is that what this creature do, they simply leave
traces in the environment. So they leave traces why they build the nest, and they leave traces why they search for food, which is another thing that they are very good that
and these traces eventually created this huge map or structure like the one that to sign the bacteria. So actually, the nest and all the territory around you. It's kind of a big mind, if you want all the information, it's in the environment. It's embedded in the ground and the the single individual simply respond to eat and operate according to it. And the outcome of it. It's incredibly accurate. For example, the other thing which might not be a human invention, though, without the focus, if you don't have the power nothing's the paper
actually ends there. The reason a full sentence and who live in agriculture on agriculture,
what does it mean, this creature that you see there are bringing in a new leaves. Uh huh. So what they do, they bring it back to the nest. And they chump it. And they make it into a ground for growing a mushroom. And what they actually eat is the mushroom. Now this mushroom, it's quite a mushroom, first of all, it grows only together with them. And one of the reason is that this mushroom can live only in one specific degree, it needs to be a 37.5 degrees or dies. So this answer, not only feeding it and growing it, they are changing constantly, they openings to their nest, so that the temperature in the nurseries is kept constant,
they don't have air condition, we do not manage to do this with air conditioning. So there is here some kind of computation machine or capacity to cognition, to understand your environment to modify to interact with it, which you cannot say they're stupid.
Okay, so in this, in the case of the answer, the way that they interact as being a formalized there is a lot of studies about it. So it's this issue of leaving this trace behind it, it's called pheromones. So look at the four images. Number one, there are two ends going out from the nest, and they go out randomly, they don't know where to go. So they start to wander around, and they arrive to the food image number two, but one of them took a slightly longer road, once they bite on the food, and they grow on the way back to the nest on the way that because they found for the, the, the signal that they live, it's very, very strong.
But also the signal evaporates in time.
So the longer will evaporate faster. So in a matter of minutes, you will have the tall the answer that go out from the nest are actually on the best and shortest path. So it's an optimization machine, which uses the, the territory as the computing accuses traces on the territory as computing, it's actually a map.
And the same thing with the, with the next I'm not going to take them up to, but each time they put down a piece of a man, they actually imbuing with pheromones that tells other and put it here and not there. And this is why they build in a session which is coherent, and not just dropping things around.
so as I said before, the distribution of the pheromone represent the memory of the recent history of the colony. And in a sense, it contains information with the individual ends cannot hold. So they Sherry on a map, though, they cannot single handedly, they can uphold the
end, it allows them to decide, like we saw in the bacteria that there is a decision making. So, so here, there is a sort of decision making,
OK, so now that
okay, they environment operate as a dynamic map of traces, which is actually at the end of the day, this map of crisis on the territory, it's actually the structure of the process of coordination.
Now, this is super cool.
the map on the territory, it's actually the structure of the process of coordination. Okay, now, it comes to us in the end. So,
and this map, let's also remember that though, we imagine it into the this map can be also 3d, it can be many different kinds of shapes and structure, okay, cause for them doesn't really make a difference. It's as the issues
so the process of cognition evolved into forms of increasing complexity, together with the evolution of corresponding biological structure. So the bacteria and the ends, the bees do other magnificent things.
In the meantime,
who are these monsters, those are the moments This is where we started,
we were a mistake, if the dinosaur within Diary of a believer would have stayed like this. So.
But the mamas did something amazing. After the dinosaurs died, they began to develop the brain more and more and more, until they arrived with the apes to have pens. And actually, the moment that there are ends, the brain explodes. And the after the, the hominids. So suddenly, you have a structure that evolves, that it's greater and greater and more and more capable, and they still leave traces in their territory, yes, because all mammals are marking the territories, and they're all using maths. This is a map of the different kinds of math mammals that are marking their territory, they do it in order to avoid conflict. And this is only one way they have many way of marketing. But at a certain point, my assumption is that the brain became big enough to internalize them.
have a map in the territory. And at a certain point, you have a brain, which is big enough to learn the map
to put it in. Okay,
let's go back to what and why. So here you have the brains going from Little to bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger,
there is I didn't put it here. But actually, there is a whole a very interesting theory, this is the mouse to what he developed in the last 1015 years, he shows that what the brain does, it is actually a controlling on a constant basis, the the, the equilibrium the almost as this of the body, what does it mean, we also can leave all in a very narrow a get of differences. So you can leave between 36 degrees in your body to 42, after which you do not survive, you can leave in a very strict Terry interval of pH, how much acid or how much basic indifference you can live in that amount of sugar. So you can have a minimum and a maximum after which you've done so the brain evolved as the kind of nervous system which was totally unconscious that was running this business, keeping the body in the correct a interview in which it survives. But to do this, what to them as to elaborate along many years, it's a, then the brain actually maps the body, it is a map of the body. So it is also be as a man, it has green of space and time. So this idea that actually the territory which was the same kind of a, you know, collective strategies and wisdom, suddenly they are internalized, and they are the basis of our minds of the way we know
the way we think
it gives us a very different
because we are actually
that not necessarily we know or understand.
And this maps are in continuous interaction with the environment, because we still have a history of traces in the environment. So everything from your room to the city, the landscape, the noises, and the smells, everything, influence your cognitive responses,
and did something that they now they are beginning to correlate combination and urban planning and cities, but they never did it before. But tradition. So you have cities which are amazing, like big parts of Berlin, you have
like better speaker.
specifically, young modern cities, like they were built very fast in the last 40 or 50 years. And they usually don't,
you don't want to leave.
So mind as internalization of maps. Okay, what is that interested. So one of the things that that happens there is that we move from a kind of knowledge which is collective, shared and collected to something which is individual key, the map in the brain, and the brain is in a body. So this is one of the things that happen. The second thing is that this thinking and decision making ability moves from being external, in the environment to be internal,
you do it in the map in your mind,
but it moves from an external to win in turn.
Another thing is that we moved from territory to embodiment key before we were moving in the territory. And this is how we knew by moving
and now the body and the max in the brains are actually our way to know.
And the last one is that we actually moved from something that is tangible, like a tangible, you can touch objects in space, signals and traces, you can see them, you can touch them, you can relate to them to something which is abstract, and virtually,
you can attach,
we think, in a fashion which is virtual enough, sir.
Okay. Now, what we do with all of this? I don't know,
we have some resources.
Yeah, no, no, I would send it to you
I will send you this slide, it will be on the website,
that's mine doesn't
okay, now, we put on the light and grief
and we sing together. And closing this,
there is a very strong a
technology life, the chronology of maps the bacteria, and today,
and on the other side, we see the same nervous system and brain that becomes bigger and bigger. And because they, the body is also bigger, and demands more maintenance, it develops the ability to map First of all, it max the body all the time, to keep it in balance, to keep the Daily Mail status of it,
to keep it alive.
And also it can map the territory around.
And it makes sense that at a certain point, this knowledge, and it was in the in the territory, this technology of knowledge distributed in the territory was kind of swallowing
and it became the ground for the way we think
it was embodied. It was taken into the brain. And now it's if there it was a map on the territory. And the point is that there was kind of the cognitive map here we have a map on the nervous system, actually a lot of maps, and it's very complex. And it's trillions of billions of connections. But you have maps in the body upon which the cognitive mind is running.
So this is an answer to the question of how do we gain knowledge? Or how do we come to know we move from walking around to adding know
this is not an answer to a question a evil want to make it an answer to a question. It's how can we rethink mind
in a different fashion, which is not based on the anthropomorphic a human centered the God given power line,
creating a very clear, clear distinction between what ever is on the one end cognition or whatever, and intellect. And I think this is like, really precious, at least given my existence of personal excuse for creative, I think is, I really appreciate it. Also, just as a general conclusion, from what I just heard, is this idea of Yeah, for processing information. without it being an intellectual process, which is very, I would say, human centric somehow.
Yeah, a little bit that way to think
about the collectiveness and the trust into the process that necessarily having to download the question how they totally go by whatever's embedded in them to go into things. As simple as that. I mean, to summarize now, and there was an example that they are expecting the leadership class when there was the spaghetti and the much marshmallow when a bunch of CEOs were given the task that you have to build in a structure with the marshmallow went out and group of kindergarten kids were getting the same task. And every time to kindergarten kids build a structure by a time difference of amazement, faster than the CEOs, because they were doing and trying and doing the best way again, and collaborating as opposed to try to make it more complicated.
And that's how it resonated to me a little bit great. I missed the spider man,
lot of marshmallows with children on the
but this is
the next one, the sequel beat the kindergarteners where's the bacteria
problem that they have now after this very making sense presentation. Because if I'm an end, can I live pheromones that everybody can smell and it's time sensitive? Great. But now I internalize the map. And what is my mapping is better than another person's mind?
How do we cooperate
again, the question so we internalize the map,
okay, so I internalize the map, and you internalize the map, okay. And we have different versions of the map, because the time to be identical.
how do we go great, like the end,
I wonder if it's, if the right analogy is one person equals one and or one person equals one colony of ants. So how to calling events
one person equal one end
and internalize the math equation, one coin, in this case, not the same person. So
do not that yes, it's like it takes it internalize the whole so it's like the whole call and stairs, we have a lot of differences. Because once you internalize secured, so do things there,
the map there's not in We are, we are stealing the dynamic structure that it's changed by input and maintains memory and learns. So all the map are constantly changing. But yes, the question would be how colonies of and collaborate. And sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
And it again, it's a matter of a traces, it's a matter of
some sort of chemistry,
definitely cognition with the and said,
what we have seen, okay, it's that you have a, for example, we saw it in the bacteria and the petri dish with the different colonies and some talk and some don't. So you have a basic sense of self, they recognize if they belong, or not,
in the sense of belonging
to the comp to the colony, okay, so you have these self as recognition, which is the very basic of
the other thing that they have, which is really interesting, which I didn't stop there, it's that to see again, and again, that if a colony learned something, and then you put them to sleep, like you make them into stores, when they come back up, they actually remember, so the knowledge is encoded at the individual level,
and it is encoded either genetically or a be genetically, we don't know, we don't care really, from our standpoint, but it's encoded, which means that if there is learning that happens at the quality level, it's still encoded in the individual. So there is actual learning that takes place which relate to the aspect of self because then there is there is a kind of a memory of past the reason I would never say that there is continuity. So,
but there is both a very basic level of cells and some kind of memory, which is a lot
more than some people.
What one thing that strikes me as a look at the last slide, if we look at how
modern human would evaluate sort of the top line versus the bottom line, okay, individual internal embodiment, abstract,
that they would probably place a higher value on those processes, then collective external territory, intangible Yep. And therefore, we probably bias against using those as a way of thinking or cognitive reasoning or modes of engagement,
can you read,
yes, I'll try
in this, live with them.
Okay, then what
is your gather a group of humans together who consider themselves very, very smart, and you ask them, which would they probably identify more with being an individual's internal embodiment and things abstract or one that deals more with the collective based on the external territory and tangible they probably choose individual internal embodiment abstract as the higher function more than
that, which means if we take this principle father, it means that with our storytelling capabilities, we are constructing an evolution strategies upon this dynamic between the individual to a collective in creating the map, there is a kind of, it's a kind of, if we can look at it as a wall or as a dynamic of evolution, the relationship between the individual and the collective. So, we can see a line this line when this this point
in which there is internalization of the math, which basically means that the individual is born is born as a force of evolution. Before this, the force of emotion is a colony within which a unit play or Okay, the moment this happen, what to say, Francis abroad so beautifully. The moment there is the internalization of the map, it's a game changer, and polluted water, it's a game changer, because in that moment, an individual human become a force in the play of evolution, okay. And then
you have a different kind of dynamic between an individual and the collective. Now, given that there is internalization of were able, by storytelling to create a like what they do with the smell we're doing with, with stories. So we can push to can tell a story that, for example, push the individual father in internal design, interior design the men so we want the individual to grow to be a greater force. So for example, we, in the West, if we go back, we put value for originality. Now, at the moment, we also tell
a story of hero or
or he'll can, we should go back in, in the Beatles, The Beatles of the hero was the first in the sense that it empower an individual it select certain type of individual as a force as a volunteer force in relation to the economy. So we, as a community, as a collective, we basically food storytelling participate in the world. Again, this is our territory played upon the maps of relation between the individual and the collective. So we can now
we can encourage this to the individual. But we are also telling story that push down the collect the push down or push up a collective but certain organized collecting, for example, science, science is organized community with a paradigm, okay, within which great individual participant, but then it's an organization cultural organization that create an immunity force within which of course, your reward will give him another price or salary.
And then you move from the door access to the frame.
So just to, to see what we do.
Yeah, I will, I will add towards a
concerning this issue of science, because all what I opener, as if I open it through the channel of science, which is, first of all inspiring, and it's a great constellation, to bounce back and forth, thoughts, which are, you know, different and new and there are,
they extend beyond what I know in country,
but not to think that all of these it's based and validated on science, because this is one of the problems with the
again, with the period in which we live in which science take precedence upon each and every other way of knowing, which is not necessarily
a great idea.
It's an important aspects because of the type of validation
that science has. Because
the the power of faith, the kind of validation, there's a clear methodology of validation of the knowledge, though, again, humans are involved. So it's not so scientific after all,
and so on, so forth.
But for example, one The problem with this is that because science validate on data
validation is being completely released from the individual, you do not need to validate what you're saying is the individual
A, which was the case, for example, in mythology, because they were telling stories and they had to stand up to the story or in mistakes, and they have to prove with their state that they can see for 30 years under a tree and in science on one side, supposed to drop all the superstition
which we reach,
but what we see is that actually the superstitions are not really disappearing, while this demand for validation on the single individual, it's becoming very rare,
you say validation for by a single individual. What does that mean?
I mean that you can claim a knowledge without it having any influence on you without it having any consequences
on your own unique could you do this, you'll say, What is your way to validate the statement every human more or less shell as an ocean of himself for as an overall notion concerning individual all individual unique in a unique way. For example, this is a common notion that
it again itself itself multiple agenda idea, okay. But again, validation wise, how many individual you lock can really stand for it, to give an argument to show it to prove it to themselves as the phone that this is the situation and not a given? Because, because because
I will take for the same question, I will take let's say I gave this presentation and I am a someone that makes the research on
and I am a distributing this idea that ends actually are thinking
okay. But then I have absolutely no problem to pour a whole track of cement again and again and again. Within then next, because it's part of my science. Should I have an ethical question there? I'm not saying yes, I'm not saying no. But the science does not demand me to have it.
And this is the place where it becomes very slippery, because value
is not measured by science. It's not an entity,
anything, that it's not measurable, it's not there anymore.
And a lot of our richness is not measurable.
So we lose it between the lines. I'm not saying that the, you know, mythology of superstition, or, and it's better Now, I'm not saying this. But I'm saying also in the way of science, there are slippery slopes, which are again, they bring in a certain level of arrogance, which is taking validation from the library of data and not from the way you upon yourself and the world.
It's kind of like
telling a story telling a story to make a point versus telling a story to wield the storytelling technique.
look at me how I'm a great storyteller,
I can make a great twist
will that be based on the need for self recognition? Or
Yes, instead of throwing the towel, you know, it should come back. And it should somehow a have implications of sorts, or it's like a, it's a,
it's a cultural issue, culture in the sense the culture, one beam, yes,
the user story. And the story basically, is a combination of reflect those different objects, the relation between them so depends if you have within this storytelling self correction mediate. But the story that
a value have to come to an organization to say something which are the two can stand for it, or that you can understand it, or you can move with it, then this is what you do. If you have a different story or your story based on the common notion or collective you're living with, then maybe it's not so important.
don't invest resources awareness, consciousness time energy to fight with the state the state of failure. So
but again, this is open open
but I will
tell a story that may be
it came out a some time ago, I don't remember a if any of you knows that there was the discovery of the structure of the DNA Creek and Watson they got the Nobel for a today he became super
celebrities and eccentric cetera. And then a few years ago, it was about 50, 6047 now
a lot of years ago, and then, not long ago, about 10 years ago, five years ago, it came out and it actually all the hard work of faith, it's not them. It's a woman that was working in the laboratory near by the way, I still can't remember the name, and nobody else does
And then they took her data,
they took her data,
because she wasn't nice. Didn't want to share it.
Yeah, they took her data, and it was not written anywhere. Now, this is something that happened a lot. But now you are a scientist. Yes. So you are claiming the validity of data over anything that's emotion, feeling, sensation, personality, your name, but this was data
And so again, is it important? Isn't it important that science take over anyway, because at least we know that the DNA has a structure and on the but it's like, there are all kinds of
justifications that are
you are released from the moment that science take care of it, you are released from it, and the individual level
you can be a monster, but the growth
but you can also be someone that live your life A in either know, in
all your all your thing, it's like quoting something from science, and you don't need to give it any
meat, which is something that happens a lot. You say that
the science finally like religion in one point,
it's a tough one, because they always prefer a scientist.
but it became a, in a group of belonging, it became a form of identity, it became a belief
state best we have been.
no, this is not our point, our point
yes, our point is that we are not into a fight of one system of knowing takes it all you need the money
you cannot do without men, whichever system of knowing takes it all. It's doing very deduction of sort.
That's the point
community. Because I was wondering if they even knew that they knew what they were doing and are so if it was working so well, maybe because they don't have an interest in doing it. So what was
the main strengths of this community was that they were just
trying to live
to find a reward for
very nice. And
if they knew that, the new it's amazing because it's exactly the flag the issue of interpretation of men, there is no you cannot know if you're not unless there is this giant devotedly in which there is internalization of men. And then you have a reflective complex folding that allow to be aware of certain thing or to be aware that you are aware, for example, is the amount of complexity of decentralization of of the math Without this, it's impossible not. So we don't, I don't know.
It's like we, we can't really fully answer, okay, we know that there is a big difference. And we know in the that the individual there it's not the the one that come because they die in numbers. And together really the idea of seeing them like, you know, robots a moved around by a jeans and instinct. And it's also not necessarily the way to go about it. And there is a scientist, they have termites, Scott Turner, and he has this little video which I find the fantastic he studied for years and years and years, thermite, which are a little and ugly.
And he wanted to see how they started the process of building a nest. So he put a group of
let's say, 30 within a petri dish with a lot of money and ground and then waits for them to begin to build them. And the interesting thing is that the termites go around, they don't really know what do they are big loss addition there. And then suddenly, they start to massage
the one lays like this one comes with the mouse, you know, and slowly, slowly does all the legs. And after a while there is a whole line of termites massager.
They do this for a while. And then suddenly, after the massage, they begin
to fade. Maybe they had to work the muscles. So you know,
it's not a terrible idea.
Know, maybe it's what we do with meditation, let it go, yes. And then
So in this sense, it also doesn't fully match the fact that they are, you know, automaton that they just go by the instance.
they do all kinds of things, which probably we don't understand. Well, you know,
there was someone else in the one, the one with the bees, the scientist with the beast gives an interview, and He is studying like a single BS in a colony. And he says, actually, they do have
a person on
And how he knows, because it puts a single be, which is supposed to be like, you know, it cannot do anything that's a brain like nothing. And he puts it in front of a
it has to solve a small Labyrinth
and the bead Desi which is already flabbergasting, because it's supposed to be able to not only but each be solving in a slightly different fashion.
So he gives all the server I'll interview about the fact that bs after that.
So it's a it's a it's a great thing, because it's clear there is differences. Yes, we are not about we do not operate in the same question. But what are the difference? It's really not
black and white. It's really not as trivial as we are thinking usually.
Okay, no, I have a different question. Does it serve us all of this? does it serve us? Yes, in which
service here in the lab,
you said something earlier about
the control of the staff that can change. And so if, for example, the end has legs, that extends to in a way to walk and find stuff in the environment. Now that we internalize the math, the math is now our extent are you where we extend ourselves.
So in a way, this is a gateway to make sense out of the world with this map. But as we also communicate with each other, and change the map, this is something that we can continuously
and not stay with a fixed perception of the world, or with a fixed gateway to
but one of the things that I that I am, I'm trying to explain to myself as we started with
the fact that the self what we said a lot of things,
but one of the things is that it doesn't really exist. And isn't it just something that gets a formations from everything around us. And yet, here we see individual becoming the good thing. So what happened from this to this to the beginning.
So first of all, we are talking about the
biological and there must be the recognition otherwise
he would cut your hand up.
So it's about the evolution of biological
now, how it all patches together, I guess the day all emerge simultaneously, because it's not they are divided.
the biological and the conscious and aware and the emotional and they're all emerging together on the same mess
not to speak about the fact that the language it's a way through which regenerate
It's the new thing in town in which we the language, regenerate maps,
the butter, the butter,
the meditative, but
you put it on the between the two surfaces, and then everything's like
one flights to where we don't know.
So this I see the map as
as a clue or tool like once I I know see it or understand understand how little I know about my mind and how this internalized map is somewhere inside and have no knowledge of it
As first it gives me a clue to what does it mean navigating uncertainty key said,
this is where the uncertainty is. And it gives
a element to to
a that there's, there's
that there's so much that there's that there's a tool
against the to work with the habits with the regular with the, with the habits that are coming up.
So if there's something that they want to understand about my mind, first of all, I don't know,
first of all, there's nothing there. There's, there's a huge map that I don't understand
or the law
can't be the bar in the process, the
capacity to be a man, you can recognize that you are looking for this and the subject matter, but
how you can recognize that you have a method that you don't
want to operate with, for example,
so you don't need now to arrays or demand because you never know where it ends. But you can begin to generate
a different map,
you can begin a process of
rewriting or bypassing, or the just the concept itself is a tool for me to work with, okay, to discuss with
So I'm thinking that a question actually the trays after this quite shocking, a presentation, I must admit to it with the bacteria and everything because then you say,
like what is going on, because somehow it is very clear to me, what is the direction of the bacteria of the end of the animal, like how they live, their, their cooperate in a collective way to serve, like, I think the direction of of them, it's very clear to me and it raises a question that if we go to the individual
human a space specie as a as of today,
the question that comes up very clearly is what the direction of humanity in this sense because if we go okay, if we go to previous a time, so we we collaborate to survive as a collective, the collective was a very important part of us to survive. But as of today, when we move from the collective to the individual
from the external today in turn
from the territory which used to be very stated is in some places a very critical one to embodiment and from the tangible to abstract then the question to tries is
what are the which is the direction of the human
this is very
something to try
it's a question
it feels like it's hard to start thinking about an answer to that question
or like this kind of moral high ground
do we fit
yeah I don't know me to
rise it has been done
Thousand and One time
I lost on
the last question
what what was said okay so question is direction of non human ask what is the direction
the direction in a colony of fun it's clearly written under the title of a survival whatever you want it when you come to a organized structure like a humanity it's kind of you know it's not so clear absolutely
so the reason
directions of a directive forces within the old there is but there's no one direction to eat all it's it's
because in some places
but I don't want to to answer the question I want to leave it open because
yeah but but just to
finish and then what a clear said she said it's very difficult to enter this kind of question without beginning to be morally judgment like we are going towards the catastrophe where it says we are bad we're good we're cool
see bad or is he he's cool.
on the internet
has put a crown on the spaceship
jumped into space.
So yes, so it's very difficult to enter without going into the moral grounds. And what I was saying is that I think we should really try to understand how to enter this question without the moral ground. Because otherwise, it has been discussed endlessly. And it didn't get really
so maybe to try and understand how
enter into not a morally
I'm saying, because we stopped at this amazing point of the individual with all the arrows, right? And this is like a pretty cool situation.
But now the question is, what further competitive edge can this all new individuals have in this new Uber environment with all the internalized maps, and the only thing that logically comes to mind is the fact that we become better at math, you
know, just internalizing mn and another man and the man with we learn math is better.
I think the main problem is women, women, then we try to make money from the map
like for why there's been this real in my mind, Someone once told me, I'm not a biologist, I don't know if this is true. But they said, if you look at nature, outside of us, things that have brains generally are things that will,
in fact, there's some creature, I'm not sure whether it's a correspondence, but when it's a swimming around looking for a place to plant that has a brain but once it plants, it, actually
it's it's brain. So the brain is primarily for emotion. And for me, it didn't make sense about why our brains are so much based on knowledge and thinking and things like this if their primary function was motion. But now, this helps give that a completely different context. Because motion is generating knowledge is called monetizing. It's understanding.
So it's so it's it gives us the ability to generate knowledge or to cognitive eyes, or whatever the proper form verb is, without having to physically go anywhere or to move
European said that was actually the movement of the human and it's almost at the knowledge is
this good tool to navigate within the existing
it's much more
just to one
because you within this presentation, the transition of demand was the breaking point, or the inability of the country context of saying, We are now under breaking point in which the mapping is going to make more and more and more. And so we have again
the knowledge knowledge missing the exam and this again we change the dynamic between individual collecting and will reflect
in a different way on the individual if before you want many originals individual I'm not sure this would be
the same kind of outcome Who is this again XM as I am the Mexico the
digital digital thing so we are again in a in
entering into a game changer that will influence radical they're all storytelling concerning individual collective for example for example maybe you don't need heat it's the voltage game doesn't need so many individual not because anyone want doesn't want it's we don't need the numbers for example so how you how you sell it to this community that look mathematically whatever you want to call it we don't need now another 7 billion because we have the machine to do it we need maybe 10 maybe only mask for
the rest of
a moral grounds again
just and again to open the advisor for thinking but
it's Obama it's a it's a look at it as as in in impersonal kind of drama between forces now we stuck in the middle we have to solve as it was in this kind of Atlanta and this is the issue how we solve us what to do is the mind the 21st century part of it is how to solve our session today within this count this kind of graph
and all of this is like
backgrounds knowledge we can maybe
find a way because we will find a way
sounded like we will find your way
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