❓Senescence in Plants, Toxic Root Zones, and Runoff Discussion- GC Member QnA Preview

1:13AM Jan 28, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

Rhizo Rich

Keywords:

senescence in plants

toxic root zones

runoff management

feeding young plants

AC Infinity products

cloning challenge

grow cast membership

soil aeration

rice hulls

arsenic concerns

Purple Cow mix

living soil

nutrient runoff

soil amendments

key lime madness

senescence in plants

toxic root zones

runoff discussion

companion planting

cannabis terpenes

mint family

lavender benefits

rosemary benefits

salvia benefits

mulch importance

pest control

living soil

cloning success

Attack of Clones

Growcast membership

Greetings growers from around the world. Jordan River here back with more grow cast this time with a little teaser That's right. Today we've got a member Q and A here in the audio feed. You guys can enjoy this live Q and A that we did only for grow cast members. We do this every other Saturday, plus we do a grow cast TV stream every single Wednesday. So we've got one coming this Wednesday. We're going to do our Attack of the Clones challenge, which is going to launch. We're going to answer any grow questions, and we're going to talk about cloning, and that's all before we start season six. There's a lot of things that are going on in membership. I want you guys to have a little peek at it. And like I said, this is the member Q A, it's an hour long, Q A, with grow cast Patreon supporters, and we do it every other Saturday. Enjoy this very informative one where we talk about runoff and senescence and feeding young plants. It's a really cool episode. I know you're gonna enjoy it before we jump into it, though. Shout out to AC infinity, that's right. Acinity.com, code, growcast one five gets you savings on all sorts of products, including the brand new AC infinity TerraForm. That's right. This is a AC heater, humidifier combo, and it's an amazing unit that'll help you adjust your grow however you need. Use code grow cast one five at AC infinity today to grab whatever you need. They've got grow kits that can get you started growing. Add another 10 tier setup. Lickety split. I love those grow kits. It's a really great deal to just get a whole new space. It comes with everything you need, the lights, the pots, the fans, the filters, everything you need is all in there. And you can even use code grow cast one, five AC Infinity has been making the best inline fans in the game for a long time, but now they offer all sorts of wonderful products to growers, from protective garden wear, to sunglasses to plant pots to trimming scissors. Like I said, tents, lights, filters, fans, it's all there. They even have the refillable filter that is reusable. I love that that's at AC infinity.com plus their new TerraForm, which will help you get your environment on point. Find it all at AC infinity.com and when you go use growcast One five helps them, helps us, helps you, save I appreciate you guys. Thank you to AC infinity. Shout out one more time. Grow cast one five at AC infinity.com, all right, let's get into it. Thank you so much for listening and enjoy the show. You music, good morning. Everybody, good afternoon. Welcome to the Grow cast member Q and A, so I'm happy to be here live with you all. This is a stream that we do every other Saturday, and it's stream where we answer your questions, guys, if you have questions, feel free to DM them to me anytime. Post in the plant problems channel anytime. But if you would like to kind of hear us expound on something long form, make sure to request it for the AMA, the Q and A so we can go long form into a here on air and solve your problems. That's really the number one goal with membership, right? We will take care of anything going on in your garden. Speaking of which, the one and only. Mary Beth, Sanchez joins us right now. What's up? Mary Beth, I

just like crawled out of bed and realized, oh, we have a stream this morning. It's been a long time, and I went, Oh, and it's an hour earlier. Oh, well, I better make myself conscious quick. This

was a weird way, a weird time to do the back to the old time, because I feel like everybody's sleeping in today. Everybody's I said, I even said the announcement, wake

up. Excuse, pick it up. Because I swear to God, I've been so lazy this morning. I've been I was up and down last night several times. So I was like, oh, there's no reason to get up today. I just lay here for a long time.

Yes, damn right, yeah. Sleep in folks. Stay in bed, but definitely pop on that stream. Let's knock out some questions. Drop your questions into Q A we already have some in chat. Let's just take care of this one from moss. You posted this right as we were getting started. Where's the friendliest? I think it means, legislative wise, place to move in the next six to nine months. Biggest limitations, we're not willing to do cold slash real winter. That's a good question. You know, there's a lot of good markets out there. Didn't Arizona

open up recently, and there seemed to be, like, trying to be, all that Arizona you will not

experience winter. Yep, there's always Southern California, but, man, I was just in Southern California, and the weed scene there. Mary Beth, it's gone so downhill. I'm so disappointed in which way, everything, the quality the dispensaries. I wish Jay was in here. We'll tell the whole story. When Jay was in here, but I was so disappointed by the scene down there. Seems like ever since legalization, it killed the culture. So I like, hear these guys talking about, you know what I mean, but I actually kind of experienced the last time. And yeah, it's sad, but Moss, I mean, a lot of good places that do have winter. Michigan is like, the is, like, one of the best states cannabis wise, but that's kind of winter. No. Mary Beth is right. You want to take a look at Oklahoma. OMA, New Mexico and Arizona, if you don't want to experience winter, Missouri right in between there as well. Missouri is cheap. The people are very friendly. There's Missouri moss. I know where you're from, that'll be a lot like where you're from. Yeah, yeah. They went. They went recently, Mary Beth, and I think they even went rec now. So yeah, it is Rec. I was just walking. I just walking. I just went through this century not too long ago. So I take a look at Missouri mosque. But that's just me. Okay, guys, drop your questions in the chat.

Connor has a question. What's up Connor?

He says, Once family is going to senescence and flower, do buds continue maturing at all? What can you do if your leaves have fully sens, but trichomes are clear and milky. So Connor, I have a lot of things to say on this, and then I'm going to throw it to Mary Beth after But right off the bat, what I'm thinking is, first of all, make sure you aren't looking at your plant eating too much, and that you're actually looking at senescence, right. Senescence is, of course, when plants are kind of letting go of their stored up nutrients and they stop eating as much in natural systems as the fall approaches and they're ready to end their life, right? That's how they kind of naturally fade out at the end. But if your plant is bulking and eating, for instance, if your plant is from a seed and you don't know how long the flowering time is it can be hard to distinguish senescence from your plant is simply going hungry, right? One way to take a look at this is to look at stuff like the growth rate, the Bulk Rate, and the colors of the hairs. If it's still pushing white hairs all over and it's starting to fade out, I bet it's chances are, you know, there are some cultivars that stay white hairs and things like that, but chances are that it's just needing more. Cannabis is a heavy feeding crop, and sometimes your plant goes a little bit yellow. Now, speaking of yellow, the color itself can really indicate if it's a good senescence or not a healthy senescence. Your leaves are going to remain turgid. They're going to remain praying. You're not going to be droopy and unhappy. The plants going to be happy. And a lot of times you're not even going to see that, like sickly yellow. You're going to see the purples and reds and more of that, like fall Amber yellow, rather than the like sickly deficient yellow. I know it's a little bit specific, but that is, that is something you can keep an eye out for. That being said, if the plant has, if it's done swelling, you've noticed that it's like done bulking, the hairs have turned red. It's not droopy, it's nice and happy, and it's starting to fade out, then you can definitely say, Okay, this is senescence, for sure. Here's another thing with senescence, when you're dealing with chelated nutrients, it's almost a whole different game. Everything I just said almost applies more in soil than anything else, because that's that's a system where the plant is taking what it needs, and these processes will naturally happen. If you just pump the plant full of chelated nitrogen late in the cycle and all these minerals, it's not going to senesce. So again, it depends on on what's going on there, and what setup you're in. The final thing you said is, if you see that the leaves have senesced, and let's say, in the example that I gave, it is fully finished, it looks good. It's fading out, and the trichomes are still so clear and milky. Some strains just don't Amber up the same. Some strains just don't produce that Amber as much as we would like. You know what I mean? Oh, riser rich joins us. What's up? Rich, how you doing? I'm good. How about you, dude? Hey, welcome to the AMA. Brother. Sorry,

I was a little late. I was finishing up some stuff in the grow. You're good,

man, you're good. So Connor has a question about senescence and what to do when your plant is senesced and the trichomes aren't finished. And the first thing I said was, well, make sure that you're dealing with senescence itself right, and it's not just right. And then the second thing I said is, sometimes they just don't Amber up the same as others. Have you experienced that rich with all the different strains you've worked with? Yeah,

definitely, I've definitely seen ones that don't get as Amber. Um, my cousin, actually, right now, one of My local cousins around here in Chicago, has a a White Widow that he's growing that's kind of doing that it's an S and out, and it just like it's all swollen and looks done, but the trichomes just really aren't going Amber. You know, I've seen it before. Man, I have too, and I kind of just with those ones, I kind of, as long as they're all milky, they're usually pretty, pretty fine to take down. You know, you just don't want to take them down when they're clear. But if you take them down when they're milky, you should be all right, I wouldn't stress too hard on the amber thing. You

just nailed it. And some people to help plants finish. I don't know if this is what helps the amber rate necessarily. But when I had plants that just like, Dude, your creature feature, we're gonna do a whole episode on Creature Feature, actually. But that Creature Feature likes to be run on a different light schedule, 11 on 13, off an extra hour of darkness, and it would push white hairs if you didn't do that really, really late. So some plants like to be ran on that 11. 13 cycle, or finished on that 1113 cycle. Definitely play with that. But yeah, a lot of that stuff is some of the best smoke. You got to be patient. You got to let it ride. I am so sad I let go of that creature feature, crunch, Berry, cut rich. That was one that I think is gone. So good because Shane had it, and then I think Shane lost it, so I think it's gone. Yeah, find it for sure. My goodness, yeah, I'm gonna hunt through some more of those, because that strain was so special. I love that fucking Creature Feature, so good. I want to make sure that Mary Beth takes a crack at this senescence. Mary Beth, you're seeing your plants senesce, but the trichomes are still a little clear and milky. Do you have any thoughts on maturation and senescence?

Well, pretty much, you guys covered all thoughts that I had. You know, sometimes they just don't get Amber. And you know, you could wait a long time. And, yeah, I think it might have to do with, like, how much land rates they have bread into them. And sometimes they just don't, you know, you could, might be able to wait another two months if you wanted to spend the time on the plant. But most people don't, you know, and land race ones can take a ridiculous bit on to fully mature. But like you were saying, you know, once you get milky, you're you're going to be fine. If you're tired of waiting and they're milky, let's go. But also, like you said, make sure it's real senescence and not deficiency of some other kind. But when you're talking about fan leaves, you know, when you're in flower, you're taking most of those off anyway. So, you know, don't stress too hard. But yeah, I would be looking for the color. But also think about the reasonable period of time that it is. Maybe it never is going to go to amberhood, but it could still be mighty fine stuff. Good,

good point. And and think of the time period with the senescence itself too, right? Because he asks, Does it keep maturing as it's senescing? Yes, absolutely. Uh, you'll even notice, like, the structure of the bud kind of hardens off, kind of like gets a little crispier, almost. There is definitely stuff still happening there. But, you know, a week or two is basically the finishing period for any cannabis grower, give or take. The recent ATG episode, Aaron talks about how he dries back in his living soil and encourages that senescence. I like that. I would think about it kind of approach, kind of the way that he

does. I also believe in not watering my last week or so of life, just to get make sure that they're, you know, the last couple of weeks, that they pretty much dry out in the pot, and that helps things go along. I like that, that one I know, every

time it started as, like, I watered before harvest once, and it took way too long, and I was like, Well, I'm not doing that again. So I started doing the opposite, and I kind of dry it out rich. Do you do a dry back before you harvest? Do you drought to them? Yeah, yeah. Just for, like, drying purposes, mostly, I assume, I think it does some good stuff for them.

Yeah, totally. It helps them dry out a lot quicker. You know, it's always

told but, uh, supposedly there it helps bring out the more oils as well, which I like,

I feel like, yeah, I would have to do, like, a side by side to say for sure, but I feel like it does a better job with the end product one way or another. Oh, I don't want to miss Shane's question. This is great question. I'm curious as to how long everyone waits to start feeding their seedlings. I'll ask rich first I have thoughts, but you go ahead, rich, when do you start? When do you recommend you start feeding your

seedlings? Oh,

man, there's so many variables there with what kind you know, size pot you're in, and what your media you're using, shit usually for me, I'm waiting until, usually at least a couple nodes are are up and running on the plant. Usually about the you know how it goes, like three, five, usually seven. On most plants, like the blade fingers, when you start in seedling, it'll go like three sometimes it'll do doubles, like two, threes, two fives. Usually I start, I'll wait until, like that five blade finger leaf set starts coming out, and then I'll hit them. It just depends, though. I mean, usually now, like I'm, you're in dirt, when I get into growing, I'll actually just put seedlings straight into, like, Purple Cow or something a little bit hotter than what people would normally think. And they do great. They usually, I usually have no problems, so I'll go right into that. And I really don't need to feed for a long time. Just

gonna say you're in dirt, which is way more forgiving, even if there's just even pro mix, dude, there's a little there's a little something in there, versus if you're popping into, like, pure coca, yeah, it's different. It's different. So yeah, I agree. I mean, shit, I'll let them run in a solo cup full of pro mix. Or, like you said, half and half Purple Cow for like, a week or two, because I neglect them, right? I could put, I probably push them faster and stuff, but, like, I just let them chill and they're happy as a clam, like you said, they're the happiest plants in the room.

Yeah, they're just doing their thing for sure, and they got that little bit of stored nutrition. That's

exactly right. Mary Beth thoughts on when you start feeding.

Well, you know, I had an experience recently where I tried starting some seeds in cocoa, which was kind of really new for me, because, like, I used to always do, get combs from somebody else and just put them right into regular Yeah. Oil mix. And so anyway, when I was starting to feed the cocoa, I was terrified of feeding them and overheating them. So I was holding back and holding back, and then thinking they were actually charging to death. And I went back to my daughter, Coco books. And Dr Coco said, very bad, you know, on gay statement about that, he said in the book that as soon as that first set of leaves pumps out, you need to start feeding. And so you need to feed every single day until they're the end of their life. And that's what I was like, okay, so I was starving them to death, especially if

I was in COVID. Did you have better results once you started feeding them early? Oh, heck.

Oh, all the sudden they started to grow like they were liking life. So yeah, when, anytime I've done that, subsequently, I've been careful with the initial feedings, but I started feeding right away. Basically, when that first set of leaves came, I gave them very, very little food, but then I would give them very, very, very little food every single day. And eventually, you know, as they got bigger, I gave them more food. But yeah, that that was a learning experience, because I could, I lost so many that fruit. I was like, why are they just not growing? They're just sitting there, not dying. They're not growing. Well, some of them were dying, but they were just like, not moving. I'm like, This is so weird. I'm just wrong. I was, yeah, I was not experienced.

I don't play. I was just

rude. It's so rude. Yeah, it does is it is in a lot of ways less forgiving. I was just talking to a new grower in the discord, and I was like, Man, you just got to feed those plants more. And he was in a 5050, cocoa mix. It's like they just want more, more and more and more. So you guys, especially the

way cocoa does the electricity thing, you know, you're messing around if you don't give it plenty of food

actually steals minerals from your solution, as opposed to like soil, which contains minerals, right, which any sort of microbes are going to break down and release. So it just depends on, on what medium you're in, but you guys covered it so well from beginning to end, which is, you can feed as early as the first set of true leaves. The plan is photosynthesizing, and now it's able to take up nutrients. But however, don't burn it at that young stage. Many people go, okay, like, I'll just Mix veg week one, right? Especially if you're in something else richer, you might burn your plants. So, so make sure that you're not feeding too much. But then, for instance, if you're in cocoa, you want to make sure, especially that you're feeding enough in soil. You're going to have way more forgiveness on either side, even weeks at a time in a solo cup, I've had plants be happy in soil, even some of the more inert mixes, like pro mix. So that's my answer, Shane. And then remember, it's a balance with the light, right? Your plant is going to start needing, requiring to take up more minerals as the photo saturation goes up. So keep that in mind if you're outdoors or if you're under a small Blurple light, like I keep mine good stuff, guys. I'm so glad to be back to streaming. Andy has a great question. Hey Andy, he's a new grower, a new grower and consumer. That's what I like to hear, man, you got into the game, and then you immediately get off the teet of the dispensaries. I love to hear that. Andy, he says, Thanks, dare. It's funny. How do I pick seeds from the hundreds and 1000s of breeders and crosses when they might take months to grow out? What a great question. Well, first of all, rise, oh Rich is here as a grow cast member, you get discounts on your riser rich, grow cast seed, co seeds. So what I would say to you is, is this, this is gonna, I'm gonna give you my, I'm gonna give you the Grow cast member take, and I'm gonna give you my unbiased, complete kind of chemo, var based take. So first of all, riser Rich is an amazing breeder. He breeds really potent and medicinal stuff. You can use your discount code, and most importantly, like we're here to talk to you and help you. A lot of these breeders say they're here to help you, but then when you go to DM them with questions, or, you know, problems with your grow, let alone that. And to be honest, they don't have time, right? I kind of get it, but they they're not going to follow up with you and hop on an AMA and talk things out with you long form. So I would definitely say, take a look at what we have to offer you. That being said, Man, you got to find that medicine that works right for you. You can also connect with local growies and like smoke some stuff if they have cuts. I think that's another great place to start with as a night Rory, you like that rich. What are your thoughts? Jump into cuts maybe, I mean, obviously, grab a pack of your gear for when he's, like, got things rolling, but like, for a first time grower, what do you think?

Yeah, I would go after something that you know works well for you, if you tried something already from somebody maybe, you know, go that route, either get a cut or find some seeds of that particular strain, if you're able to, you know, so far as breeders just finding somebody who, like you were saying, it just kind of goes along the line of finding somebody who, you know, like their ethics and everything is kind of lined up with how you want to support you support somebody. You want exactly that you want to support, which can be hard figuring that out in the pool of everybody out there these days, but I would honestly just go after things that you like best and what works for you best. And if you're not sure that, just start popping things and growing things, or, like you said, try, try some samples from people you know, and take it from there. That's really all you can do is, like you said, it takes months to grow any of these strains out, even the fastest ones, you know. That's

exactly right. Dude, check this out, though. He says that he's been growing femme photos, but the grand final Hunt is going to be his first regs. Dude, that grand fino Hunt is actually, obviously, I can't tell you what's in there, but if you're hunting for good medicine, rich, the three that you chose are, that's like a good variety. That's the one thing that I've told them as a hint, is that we selected these strains based on their diversity of expression. That's fair to say, right? Oh, yeah, absolutely. So I would say, Man, that's so funny. That's his first regs. And I hope you get some really special medicine out of that. I really want to tell you guys stuff that I can't tell you people have already guessed. We'll go over some of the guesses on the next grow cast TV, where we recap it, and I am going to put up a complete list of all the strange that it could be because rich, some people are new and they don't know what to guess. Yeah, we got to put up the menus for sure. Yeah, we'll put up the menus. But there's plenty of time. There's plenty of times for that now. Uh, here's the last thing I'll say, Andy, follow your nose unless you have, like, a medical condition that you're treating. It's really easy, like, find out, find out what works for a medical condition. But other than that, just follow the pallets that you like? Do you like? Stinkier? GMO, onion, nasty, funky stuff. Find some stuff that's got that GMO in it. Do you like the sweeter stuff? We got a whole line of peach quake for this. Like, amazing, potent stone fruit, mouth watering, sweet, but not too sweet. Or do you like super earthy stuff? Like, follow your palate and that'll kind of interact also, dude, make sure you're in the discord, because you could hop in the trading bazaar and just talk this all out. You could be like, Yeah, I kind of like, GMOs or whatever. And there would be like, five members that would be like, I got these GMO packs. I'm never going to grow them. Trade them for some something, or just, a lot of these guys will just send you something for free. And that's what I would do. And then, of course, hit up the Grow cast seed co site, because there's a lot of good vaulted packs up right now. Rich we haven't even talked about the vaulted packs that

went up. Oh yeah, there's quite a few. What'd you put up? Here's some creature feature and sugar cone, and a couple others. So dude, there's a spot on those

originals. A couple others. You put up peach typhoon, dude. Oh

yeah. Well, I only put up two packs of those. I don't know there might be one up there. Still there might not be

peach typhoon. Does anybody remember when peach typhoon dropped? That one was so good. That was your favorites for a while. That was your first hype strain before peach quake blew up. Peach typhoon was the limited one. Everybody loved what you said about the solar can that you use to cross it, and then when it dropped, everybody ate up that peach typhoon. That was your, that was your

first good samples of that one. I had a really good phenoty that I lost. I love that one. Damn

that peach typhoon. I I lost one as well. Or lost access.

Yeah, there's some sunrise up there, the acid bike ride. There's, there's a couple others. The

typhoon that I got to try, I told you, is gas station fruit pie, blueberry mixed berry. It was like, mixed berry, gas station fruit I heard you burped that person

coming through for sure, with the the mixed berry, you know,

dude, it was so good. And, like, the, it had the like, fake pastry dough and everything. Oh, my God. I hope that helps. Andy, I hope that didn't just add to the confusion, but

again, super confusing for sure, rich everything out. Like, can

you imagine getting in now and then being like, What do I like 2024 you've never grown before. You don't know anything about breeders. You know anything about the culture.

I couldn't I couldn't imagine, um, it does help to get on IG sometimes too, and just go through as many accounts as you can, and like, look at people's pictures. If there's something that catches your eye, it's kind of hard just to go off pictures. But at the same time, as a grower, you know, some of us like to grow things that look a certain way, too. So it doesn't hurt to look at pictures and get descriptions from, you know, a whole group of people on the same strain or different you knows of the same strain, so you can kind of get an idea what's going on before you maybe get a pack of that seat of those seeds or whatever, totally,

that's exactly right. And again, if, like, they do have some sort of community, or even like Reddit now rich, when we Google it, say that Reddit, when we google some of your strains, a lot of stuff comes up on Reddit. It'll be like I noticed that Double Stuffed Oreos by ryzo Rich review@reddit.com

Wait, I know one of our members, one of his things. Pops up. Now, Australian Rosie, he has a bunch of Reddit stuff, I believe that pops up.

Hell yeah. Holding it down. Thanks. Redditors. Hold it down, because that's not a platform that I venture into. So you guys posting on there for us about this stuff actually really helps us out. So if anybody's big into Reddit and you hear this within the sound of my voice, please consider and thank you for pushing grow cast on a platform that I know is big. I just I don't do it. I'm not a redditor. Good stuff, good stuff. Question is great. Keep us posted, buddy. We're here to help. DM us anytime. Hit me up on the Patreon. Hit me up in the discord. I'll get back to you same day. ZZ drop says, is anybody allergic to herb? I just put my long sleeve shirt on ready to harvest. Get hives all over. I'm used to it, though 12 plus years in London, it's called hash rash. That's what they always called it in Humboldt rich, yeah,

we know me, and you both know somebody that gets it, and he has to wear those like Miami mango long sleeve things that you put on your arms. And he actually has to wear a respirator too when he goes in there, like, one of the face mask read things, because it gets so bad. He's really allergic. I honestly don't know why he does it at that point, but

because he's allergic, the person you're talking about is, like, allergic to, of around, just

some, yeah, and it's just some, like, growing and stuff too, you know. Like, he's not necessarily allergic to like the dried flower and smoking it. It's just when, when the plants like doing its thing and putting off the most oils and and all that shit. It really, really gets to him and bothers him. So I've definitely seen it on a couple people, but he's probably the worst one that I've seen chat.

Go ahead and post if this happens to you. Now I am going to definitely recommend, yeah, you go ahead and get yourself some gardening sleeves. There's those. There are those ones you said to Miami. Mango makes them easily. Infinity makes them they're just like, they're standalone sleeves. They look really cool. You get to get suited up in the garden,

and they keep your arms from stinking up, dude. Yeah, dude, they're, they're convenient, because

when you head to the grocery store after, Oh, God. I mean, listen, I know most of you are probably in a state where it doesn't technically matter, but like, do you really want to Yeah, you really want to be, like, stinking up the whole girl I would walk in after working in humble sometimes, and in humble, it's like, actually more common than anywhere else, but your your arm hair stinks like resin. Stinks like fresh plants. It doesn't smell like, Oh, this guy's just smoked a blunt. This guy just walked through a field of weed. Is what it smells like.

Oh, yeah, it's totally distinguishable. People know, you know, but yeah, is

anybody in chat have that same reaction? I want to know how common that is. I don't get it.

I don't get it either, but I'd like to know how prevalent it is, because I've seen especially it seems like in the last couple years, you see more and more of it, armors, armor.

I just get a rash on my arms if I go in without sleeves on. So I put sleeves on always when I'm harvesting. But I don't get any other kind of rash or respiratory is that with cannabis only, Mary Beth, or is that with a variety of plants? Yeah, because, you know, I always blamed it on because it's got the serrated leaf edges, and you're just kind of going in with your tender skin, and it's always scraping and getting the little oils in there. It's ever so gentle, but it's enough for your skin

to have. No, you're right. It's a little bit nettly,

just ever so slightly, you know, but, yeah, those

damn haze strains, they're serrations. Yeah, a lot of people saying it happens. Johnny Applewood, 420 Shane gets it. Mary Beth gets it. Damn Trav gets it. With all sorts of stuff. I was gonna

say, too, if you don't have money to buy specially magic sleeves, I, you know, being a girl, I wear long socks, and I could take the ends of my socks off and just put them over my arms, and then that works really good. So my girlfriend was long socks disaster for a pair of her old long socks, cut the feet off, and then you put them on your arms.

That works really good.

That's good stuff. Oh, that's funny. ZZ, drop rich, you would like this too. ATG came on the show. Good episode. He was talking about dry and cure and stuff, but he had $1 store hack that I think that you would be stoked on, which is they sell mesh waste baskets at the dollar store. They're, like, really cheap. I think I have a picture still uploaded. I bet you anything these things? Dude, oh yes. And there's two different sizes. And I guess if you get one small, one large, and you interlock them together, it creates a chamber. And he spins his buds in these things. Dude, Twister, trimmer style,

right? That makes sense. That's crazy badass. So

just funny. We were just talking about hacks there, and it came up, but he showed us these on the last girl cast TV. And I might try, because that looks good. I've seen a lot of those kind of twister hacks, like the raffle spinners. I haven't been super impressed by them, but he swears by this material. You can see how it's kind of like shaped like. Like, I don't know that kind of fencing that they use on the inside, yeah,

that they use exactly in the trend bag the inside. Yeah. I

don't know where I was going with that, but yeah. What else we got in chat here? Let me catch up. Thumb farmers in chat day one for him in the hunt. Maybe you say, hell yeah, brother. Best way to flush mid flower Is there too much drop in EC? It becomes too much for the plant to handle. My Media EC is between seven and 10 and one gallon.

Isn't that really high, or is it times 100

for ppm in one gallon, and my pH is stuck higher, okay. Earl, if I what medium are you in Are you in cocoa? Here's the thing about using bottled nutrients, and I don't care if you're using full blown organic foop or you're using GH or Athena right off the shelf, you need to achieve regular runoff to push out those old nutrients. Otherwise it will accumulate. It'll throw off the balance in the media, it'll get too hot, it'll fuck up your plants. Do you need to flush if you're doing that? Not I mean a lot of high frequency fertigation cocoa guys don't do that, right? You just push out the old stuff with the new stuff. I'm not sure that Dr Coco's protocol, for instance, includes a spot where you stop and flush now in dirt, minerals are going to be clung on to more readily. It's going to it's not just as easy as running water through it, right? There's a lot more going on in some soil where there's microbes that are taking up the nutrients and heart storing them within the cell. There's things like humic acids in there, holding on to things, organic materials. So that's why, if you're in, like a pro mix, you might do a flush in between veg feed and flower feed, because you're trying to get rid of that nitrogen, get onto the new food, right? If I was going to do that flush, yes, you can do regular plain water. Water is the, you know, nature's solvent, SLF, 100 is great. High rezyme. Shout out to high rezyme and high clean. Both of those would be a great flushing agent. What else am I missing? Rhizo Rich,

there's a ton out there now you you named probably some of the better ones, like SLF was probably what I would go after. There's another

one. I'm missing another one. Guys, it's

the magnesium sulfate. It's often used as a flushing. Yeah, it's often used to flush. Sometimes they'll use that with a little kelp, just so you have your micro minerals taken care of. But I mean, you're absolutely starving while you're flushing. You

know what? I mean? Okay, Pete Coco blend using rooted leaf, I would not concern myself with the EC, what nutrient regimen Are you following? Earl fi, I would use a higher end of their nutrient feed, and I would be watering to run off every time. And let's see pictures of that plant so we can take a look and make sure that what we're looking at is what I think we're looking at. I'd probably run medium feed or a little bit higher. You say you're running medium feed. Austin Ron says no flush and Coco's regimen properly buffered. Coco 15 to 20% run off. Yeah. Earl, if I Why don't you post in the plant problems channel. I want to see this plant, but my instinct is you don't need to flush to get the EC lower if you're watering to run off each time. So let's make sure that you're you're watering to have you run off. I also wouldn't with the pH you want to let those enzymes naturally swing that pH. I mix my root relief. I feed in pro mix. So let me see a picture of that, though, because I want to see, I want to see what's going on. It's not like the chelated salts where you need to pH it, or the humic acid based ones where you need to pH it very readily, and that's because the enzymes do their work and then die off. I'm sorry, the microbes and the enzymes that the microbes produce specifically from the root anchor swing that pH, it's like recharge. They say not to pH it let it swing, because it's going to make available all of those nutrients. So go ahead and post implant problems, and we'll tag Nick as well. We'll get you figured out. Austin Ron says, monitor the runoff. EC, yeah, post implant problems. We'll get you we'll get you solved. Not a runoff. Guy, there's your problem. Man, See, I knew it. I knew this was the issue. Yes, definitely need to be watering to run off. Like I said, even with the Super organic ones. So, so if you don't want to do run off, I would probably switch to soil early. I would probably do an Earth Box. You guys know, I'm a big fan of those Earth boxes, because when you're using a bottle based program, especially Coco, you need runoff, bro, you're going to need that, because otherwise you can try to do like a feed, flush feed, and try to get your plant. Like, break down everything in there. You're gonna get too hot in that medium.

That's just my advice. It'll happen fast too. If he's in one gallon, which I think he said he was,

that's true too. The smaller container size is going to exacerbate those issues. Very true. All right, let's see. Or grow. Man, we'll get you solved, but you're gonna need to start watering those to run off, and that's the problem, man, run off is the big issue that I don't like with indoor tent grows. What the fuck do I do with my runoff? Some people are like, Oh no, it's easy. Like, I'll just give it to my house plants, or I just collect it and this or that. But other times it's like, flooding the bottom of your tent. You're like, what do I do with all this runoff? So you you are gonna need that? Earl fi,

well, they have things that you can set your plant on top of, so that it's raised up from your drip tray, so that you can get your drip tray full of drippings without your plant being saturated, drowning in there sitting in the water. If you get yourself some big, giant ass drip trays, if you're doing flushing or something, or if you know you're gonna have to be doing flushing, you know, and get yourself a nice big turkey baster to suck this stuff out when you need to get any more. If you can't just pick these things up and move them every time, you can always siphon that water off. But, yeah, you need to get plenty of space to allow the water to run off into without ruining your house. If you're indoors.

You can combine Austin Ron nail that. You can combine those drip trays with pot elevators too, so it doesn't soak right back up. It's a good combination. So guys, that's what

I'm about trying to describe. But it was fine. I was I was

also like reading shadows distracted. That can

be kind of difficult in a tent, though, where you're already constrained by space and your plants are already Yeah, so I like the turkey baster method so you can at least, you know, still get your

pictures run off. Yeah, I like that. I like the extraction. I want to talk about this, though, because this is a really good point. He says, I feel like runoff drowns my plants. Maybe I need more perlite than the standard blend. When you're watering, you want to get a good soak. Guys, I talked about this in the last video, unless you're in a living soil system, in which case, larger volumes are almost always better and you're putting in a lot of water there, and even so, making sure you saturate to the bottom. If you're adding bottled nutrients, you want to get a good soak. Every time you want to. You want your plants to adjust to that, and you want them to to drink from that fully saturated point. Now, if you find yourself over watering, it's about frequency. It's not about volume, it's about frequency. You're not letting it dry back long enough. Now, if you're in one gallon stone ocean, makes a really good point, which is those are going to be drying back very fast. Your plants are going to start drinking. You're going to be watering two times a day in flower, right? Rich. Oh yeah. Is that? Is that an exaggeration? Or do you think that's correct? He's in cocoa in one gallons?

Oh yeah, he's gonna be watering once or twice a day,

once or twice a day, for sure. I agree with that. I think I can say that with confidence. So in flower, you know, like full flower, when you're got a big ass plant, at that point, it's like all roots in there. Now I'm almost tempted early fi to tell you to switch styles, than to switch watering habits, because watering habits are hard to break. And if you're going to be like, What the fuck am I going to do with all this run off in my tent? You sound like if you're not a runoff guy, I'm almost tempted to say, get through this run and switch to an Earth Box where you won't have any run off, because you're going to keep running into this issue in one gallons with any bottled nutrients. You're going to keep running into this issue with. You can't just flush your way out of it. You're going to need to get run off every time in a high frequency fertigation situation. Rich, I love the explosive growth of the cocoa growers. I love the I actually do love the, like, scientific method of it. But this is the big downside, is that freaking run off. I think it's very counterintuitive to a lot of home grows. Yeah,

a lot of water being used too. You know? Yeah, lot of nutrients, a lot of water.

That's why they don't do it in like Hawaii. Is the water so expensive. But that being said, if you want to stick with Coco, if you want to get get through this run and learn how to do this, incorporate runoff, for sure. Do your best Earl if I to flush it now, because that's definitely what's happening. That is your issue. It's going to get off balance in that one gallon. A lot. Great question, great learning conversation. He says once or twice a day, gotcha. Due to larger plants, something different for this next larger pot, something different for this next run, dude, I'm telling you just, just try an Earth Box. Just try an Earth Box. Order up a build a soil blend where you can, like, mix your own or even a bag of Purple Cow off of Amazon. Purple Cow rips in an Earth Box. Just try it. Yes, you don't high frequency fertigate in soil, but that's why I like the earth boxes. It's almost its own version of high frequency fertigation, because the roots fill that under space, and they just suck up water. So, yeah. They're really able to drink fast and quite a bit. Oh, and also, if you don't want to buy an Earth Box, you can make your own using the resource in membership. Go into Patreon, hit resources, scroll back and go get a Home Depot tote, make a bigger batter Earth Box easily. So there you go. Grow cast membership@growcastpodcast.com it's a grower's best friend. We work day and night to assist our community of growers because growing should be easy and it should be fun. We're here to help you in your garden. You know, when you go on the internet to get grow advice, you never know what you're getting. Never accept grow advice from somebody who can't explain why the problem that you're having is the problem that you're having so many people are just lost in the sauce, going online. More calm. Mag, you know, add some magnesium, add some potassium, add this, add that. No reasoning behind their recommendations. Well, not anymore. You can get real accurate guidance in your grow at grow cast podcast.com/membership+comes, with all of these amazing benefits, from our weekly live stream growcast tv to our amas every other Saturday, like the one you're hearing now, we have monthly resources that drop. We have members only discounts that are gonna save you that 15 bucks a month, and then some, like I said, personal access to me and Mary Beth and Wolfman. You get access to the members only discord. You get 25% off any classes and in person meetups. This is the place if you're a grower, don't miss it. Go to growcast podcast.com/membership, and sign up right now. You will not regret it. We are working every single day to help our growers solving their garden problems, helping uplift them in their grows, and just hanging out smoking, talking strain reviews, the Grow cast community is the most positive community in cannabis. We don't do any of the bull crap. No fighting about topics other than growing all over the server. No attacking each other over grow styles or breeders we choose. We put the plant first, we act positively, and we try to lift each other up as gardeners, that is it. So come and join us. We'll solve all your garden problems. We'll give you a whole host of benefits. It's all at growcast podcast.com/membership+you, can help us out on our mission of overgrow, as we try to get as many people growing and overgrow this planet. It is our mission, and you can help us as a grow cast member. So check it out. I would love to see you in there. Come and hang out with me in the voice chat. Come and check out all the resources use, all the member discounts. Check it out for 30 days. You will not regret it. It's grow cast podcast.com/membership, it'll bring you right there. It's all up on the website, and I cannot wait to see you in our amazing community. Shout out to every single grow cast member. Shout out to team grow cast. Shout out to the mods, everybody who makes this possible, every one of you listeners. And thank you so much to all the supporting members of grow cast membership. I'll see you guys on the inside. Can't wait to have you grow cast podcast.com/membership. Dank stranger says our rice holes a good source of aeration in a cocoa and peat mix. Mary Beth, what's your honest opinion? Is rice holes not as the mulch, like we sometimes talk about them, but as a soil aerator.

Well, that's how I originally got introduced to them. People were putting it in just for that, to add extra aeration in their soil. They weren't really mulching with it, because it was mostly just, you know, large scale outdoor growers. So that is a fine thing to use. It'll break down over time. So it's adding carbon to the soil. You know, fungus always beneficial. Fungus loves having carbon available to, you know, break it down and help your plant out and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, it's fine for that kind of thing. It's an organic form of soil aeration, rather than using the lava rock or the pumps.

Yeah. Now I've heard it even acts as like shoots for so water distribution is better than something like perlite. The one thing that I see people actually, there's two things, two criticisms I want to throw at both of you. The first one is that they break down over time, which I've seen some really old living soil mixes, and they didn't look like they were completely broken down. You have any thoughts on that? Mary Beth or,

Oh yeah, they break down over time, of course, because it's organic matter, it's just a piece

of strong definitely,

yeah, it just takes a while, you know, because it's meant to take a while. But that's part of you know, you add more later next time you amend your soil. I mean, if you want more, unless that you decided to go with a different system. But, okay, yeah, just like any kind of wheat bran or whatever is to take a little while to break down, longer than back

in I like longer than Alicia Rich, do you use any mixes with, uh, rice holes? Or do you add rice holes? Yeah,

I had rice holes, and I got into them a while ago. I was ordering them and using it quite a bit in my mixes. I do like them. I still use some other things mixed in for aeration too. I don't feel like by themselves. Rice holes necessarily do the best job aerating unless you put a shit ton of them in there. That's just my own opinion and experience, though, with using them. So I do like to use them still, though they are to

be like a third of your mix, right? But those rice holes are so airy that's going to be like a lot of

rice. It would be a lot of rice. Doing it like that. Yeah, it's a lot of rice, bro. And I just like to have a nice broad range of different things, aerating the soil, if possible, too. If I'm mixing up my own soil, you know, I really like it as a mulch, like you were talking about before the risoles. And as you water, you know, they'll mix in and kind of aerate your soil more too. So I'll use it to aerate as well as use it like as a like a top dress, more like a mulch thing. Basically, I

agree and I love them. They're clean. I like them a lot. Now here is the other big kind of problem that people have with them, is they do contain arsenic. They're made of silica. The husks are made of silica, like Rich said. But rice, we all know, has high levels of arsenic. Naturally, it's a bio accumulator for arsenic. That's why you should wash your rice, the arsenic actually comes off a lot of the times when you wash your rice. Is that something you guys worry about? I have thoughts on it, but you tell me, I don't worry about it. You know, your soil, naturally already has arsenic in it. It's all about the levels that are in there, you know? So I don't stress that too much. Once again, I don't use them to the full extent that others may use them in micro either. So I'm not as concerned as if it was like my main aeration source, you know, I like it. I like it. Mary Beth, have you heard that Nick? Do you? Uh oh,

yeah. But you know what exactly I mean, who's dropping dead from our skin. I mean, I haven't seen or heard I have anything, so I don't think it's that

big of a problem. I like that. We're not gonna assassinate

anyone by this method. Well,

tell me this. I feel like, I feel like, maybe this is just my lay person brain, but to me, it's like, if you're using rice holes and you're using them in a living soil system. That's when they're going to be broken down, right? That's when you would like, well, the

biology will be in there that can handle it and take it up. So wouldn't it? Wouldn't it

stand to reason that that living soil also has humic acids,

exactly, things that would chelate it, things that would chelate it and

give the plant what it what you need, and not just take up the orange. So if anything, maybe, if you're worried about that, it would be more applicable in a synthetic role, but then in a synthetic row, there wouldn't be the microbes as present to break it down anyway. So I'm really not worried about it.

I would think you'd have to have ridiculous quantities to actually notice any effect, because, like you said, it's in soil and water all over the earth. It's not causing toxic issues, and it people aren't dropping dead from minor amounts. But the thing is, people who like to get you excited about health, will come up and say, Oh, look, we found a trace of this. And you know, you're all going to drop dead if you eat it, you're really not going to drop dead, probably, unless you have ridiculous quantities. Sure, hopefully you're not having ridiculous. I

agree, and I think that that would be something that could be easily tested, right? Wouldn't, wouldn't a lot of these living soil grows be popping hot for arsenic. Well,

that's why green sand, for a short time, was banned, because it was, it had a lot of arsenic in it, and it was in unpredictable quantities and amounts. Now they found a source that was more reliable and would have less spiking of large amounts of arsenic, and it's in the rock, right? So now, yeah, exactly. So now they are allowed to sell it again, I believe. But, um, it, that was the reason it was iffy, because, yeah, it can. It can definitely help. Wow.

I love it. I love it. Yeah, aeration talk, add more aeration Absolutely, especially if you, if you think you're prone to over watering instead of working on your watering technique, just add more aeration to your mix, and you'll need to water a little more often. But I really like that. People saying lava rock is a great one. Oh, yeah. Hummus. Hummus. Same thing, same thing people use, like hydroton in these expanded clay pebbles, which are great, right? I think the only knock on those is that the process that is used to make them is not super sustainable. But that's, that's a pretty small criticism. I think that, um, clay pebbles are like, good for aeration and stuff. Hydro ton. What up? They last a long time

too. So it's not like you have to keep breathe buying them and adding them opposite

of rice holes, right? They won't break down. That's a good point. Yeah, they use them in hydro setups, especially, that's right, I always used to see them in, like, the deep water culture systems, where they have a little basket and they, Oh, yeah. They weren't doing the dual root zone like Steve raisner does. They would just do, like, a bunch of hydroton in there, just to kind of give the plant something to grip onto. Is cool, pretty cheap, too. Yeah, yeah, perlite is the worst, isn't it? Austin Ron anything instead of perlite, perlite is the worst. And listen, perlite is fine. If you're gonna use Perl, use perlite. But like, it fucks up. It gets in water. Waterways and like, fish choke on it. It gets in your fucking eyes, dude. If the wind kicks up, the dust

gnarly from it. Dust is you get a big bag and shit, it'll get right up in your lungs. Breathing it in, you should be wearing a respirator, wearing mess and let's a lot of pro life if you're gonna mess with it.

I don't like the way it floats in the water. I And when, every time you water, a ton of it flows through the top, and then you've got a coating of it across the top. And then shoot and people throw out their old soil, and it looks ugly on the soil. It's like, all right, on like, for like, lava rock, or, you know, pumice, you never have these issues at all. It doesn't float when you water your soil. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, 100%

forest suit good for your microbes. Like little hotels and shit forms, sustainability

shouldn't be a small consideration. Well, to me, it's not, but for different people, it is. But also, like I'm saying even what I what I meant, mean to say by that is the production of something being harmful is better than, for instance, what we were just talking about perlite, which is, like, directly harmful, right? Like fish are gonna choke on it. So I was just saying it's not as bad, I guess, but people rank sustainability higher or lower. I wish everyone would, you know what I mean. I'm just gonna teach people how to grow either way. But what you don't want is something that, like, harms the environment directly. I think that's where it's like, you can't really defend the well,

because perlite, like you said, it's much more directly polluting. The end product is directly polluting more than the others. Where, I mean, they can all have processes they go through that are gnarly, but that end product, when people are throwing it away, is so often they do. It's really, no it's just, and

it just finds its way out like it always floats to the top of the mix. You know what? I mean, it can run right out of the pot. It'll be blown by the wind. Yeah, perlite is not one that I really love, and people just use it because it's cheap, right? That's why it's in all sorts of soil mixes. That's what I assume everywhere too, you know? Yeah, pumice, lava rock, I think it's all, all good options. White pumice will float, but not like perlite. Yeah, the pumice seems a little heavier. Oh, Ben had a question. Speaking of a mix that uses perlite, we were just talking about this rich I need to reach out to these guys. They once talked to me and said, we're trying to get more into cannabis. And I was like, let's let's talk. You know what I mean. But I never followed up. Uh, Purple Cow. They have their indocanja mix. It's a mix you've talked about before. It's made in Wisconsin.

Yeah, I got some right here. I use it still. You got some right there? Oh, yeah, all

right, not a sponsor, but this is the soil that I recommend here in the Midwest, because it's available and it's good.

It's close by to us for sure. It's a good price. It's a good mix. It was one of the ones when I did that water only experiment that did really good and made it, you know, all the way through. So it's for me, at least it's hard to give up using it. And we've met the guys behind it stuff me and you and they're pretty, pretty solid, you know, scientists and shit. So they know what they're doing. They're not dumb guys, Purple

Cow. The book, no. Purple Cow into con there's a book, I guess so, dude, transform your business by being remarkable. Purple Cow. I was just, I thought it was just available online. Yeah, you can get it on Amazon. I thought so too. But maybe I'm just, is, is this not? I just wanted to show people that it is available. I believe nationwide, you want to get your soil locally, so you don't pay for that shipping, right? Yeah. But like we said, I'm going to create that fucking living soil map. It was a resource that I talked about making. I am going to make it. Mark my words here on the show where we'll have a map of the US, and then we'll kind of color code it, and what's available in that area is what, what we'll recommend, right? So on the West Coast, you guys have, like, Royal Gold and like so hum soil. You don't really get that out here. Royal Gold, you do see, I guess they're

pretty some places, but not You're right. It's not as frequent as like, Purple Cow or some of these other ones that are everywhere.

And usually the ones that are everywhere aren't as good. I feel like Royal Gold is a good one that's in a lot of places. Bio, 365, is a good one that's in a lot of places. Aurora,

the 707,

and all those, that whole line, green fields. And that's old school, organic, root roots, natural, organic. Although those were all real good, I don't know they're they come out of Colorado, not they. So they are available in various places in the country. I know we've got him in California.

He's going for the water only mix. Now, get in a big container. Do yourself a favor. Just get a big ass bed, or get, like a 25 gallon rain science, like a 30 gallon rain science, big container, put in multiple plants. If you want rich, are you adding anything to your Purple Cow? Do you just ride it out and then amend What do you do with it? Yeah,

I mean, I play around each run and kind of I don't. Have necessarily, like a set thing that I do really anymore, but usually I'll throw a couple handfuls on a fresh Purple Cow, like on top. Every now and then I do use the Burma compost from SD Micro, so I usually add a little handful of that every run. But it's not necessarily something you have to do. I just do it because I have it, and I like adding that extra compost into the mix, you know, give a little extra nutrition. Microbes that SD microbes from a compost is amazing. Bro, kind of stuck on that. Since using it, I

am so bad at self promotion. You guys have a SD microbes code if you want to get some really good living soil delivered to your door, I think you get 35% off with your member code, and you can order their living soil mix, right? Rich? They sell that now, yeah, they

do sell a living soil mix. You're right. I haven't used the soil mix. I have just used the vermicompost. But they hear great things about great

things, dude, that's why I want to try it. It's based on their vermicompost. That's the main compost driver and a lot of the nutrition, I guess. And then it's Scott rice holes as the aeration. So I really want to try it. I think there's also, think there's also cocoa in it, Rich, I wouldn't be surprised. I think there's also cocoa in it. So check out the SD microbes, or just grab a bag of that compost and supercharge your your soil. Definitely my favorite compost as well, rich. But Farmer John turned me on to that one. Yeah,

it's good stuff. But so far as the Purple Cow, you don't, you don't have to add that in. Like I said, you can just roll with the Purple Cow.

You can just roll with the cow. Yeah, in the conjoin our cultivators

Cup champion, two years running, grows with Purple Cow. Love it. The ego death was grown in an Earth Box with Purple Cow. And then the truffle cake rich that was grown in his bed that he's now had for a few years. Wow, yeah. And it was all it started as Purple Cow. Can't go wrong. Can't go wrong with the cow, dude. But yeah, we love other ones. Just like to spit out other ones. We like Detroit nutrient company. You're impressed by that one. That

one's fantastic. It's a little bit harder to find, and it can be pricier for a bit of a smaller bag, but that one's fantastic as well, at least when I was using it, it was

and then Brandon rust soil. I that's what I ran in my EarthBox that I ended up giving to High Plains men. Brandon, if you can get it, is really good. And he uses, like, big, uh, pumice aeration. So, big pumice aeration, you know, oh my god, we just blew through an hour. Does anybody else have any more questions? This was, I mean, it flew by. You guys. Thank you so much for being here on this Saturday, an hour earlier. I'm gonna twist one up here and guys drop any last minute questions, any soil questions you have, but I think soil we're here at the top rich. Do you want to update us on the hunt really quickly? Let's go a few minutes over and your hunt to be clear. Your current grow,

yeah, my current one I'm taking. I still have some plants and flower like. I have some double stuff that I threw in later, and some cookie Truffle Shuffle plants that I threw in later. So those are still going. I got some plchat is still going, but I did, and I got a key lime that I'm about to harvest in a couple days. The key line madness. That one is, is it promising? Oh, yeah, that one's super promising. It's real, like, sour lining and, like I said, like, almost like a baby shit, or some kind of, like, weird funkiness going on to it. That's, of course, that's got the doo doo, but in it, yeah, it's got the doo doo, but so something with the the GMO is coming out and making it super funky. The lines definitely coming out. There's a lot of frost on it. It has more like the look of the flowers, more like an older school look. But it's just covered in frost. Beautiful. It's got those pink stems, almost like, what was the guy who found that really bad ass key lime, yeah. Lex, remember his? Yes, his stems were like, deeper pink too. Yeah. So I'm getting that on the stems with that. The buds do look different than his, but it has those pink stems that are really, really pretty. And then like, like I said, I got those double stuffs going. There's one from seed. I got a keeper that I got from chain or midnight Samurai, that's really good. It's on the lower yielding side, though. And then I have a couple from seed that I'm running. And there's this one fino that it yields, it's frosty, it's checking all the boxes. And the turfs are absolutely amazing. So that one, I'm probably gonna end up being like my keeper keeper, because it's, it's just amazing. I can't wait for you to, you know, sample that one. And then either there's a cookie Truffle Shuffle that finished too. And. Um, that one I'm gonna keep, and then I've got another one in flower that, it looks super promising, so I may end up keeping that one as well. What

are the odds that we see? I mean, I know it's too early to tell. What are the odds that we see a key lime madness, reversal and pollination?

Oh, man, like I said, the one that I have right now that I'm about to pull down. I absolutely love this one, and it's, I got it cloned, so it's totally possible. And do you

need to do? Oh, yeah, I'm gonna, before you, you got, I mean, before you make any you have to, you have to let it,

yeah, one, and, you know, dry it, smoke it, and all that stuff. But it's definitely possible. It's up there on the list for a possibility, because it's, it's an amazing plant so far, and the Terps are right up my alley. I think you're gonna like them. So Holy shit.

Okay, we'll see. I mean, I know I'm gonna like it, let me be honest. But we'll see if that KLM ends up doing a pollination, because I love that strain, dude. Love that strain.

Yeah, I got some, quite a few others too, like banana Oreo blizzard. And like I said, the plchat is, there's quite a few other ones. There's a B, O, B, I just took down. It's really, really nice. I'm not going to keep it, though, only because it has, like, basically add zero stretch to it. So when you flip it to flower, it just stays,

like, Oreos crosses it seems, which

might be fine for some people, but for me, I've got to have some stretch, because any of those plants that don't stretch, they just end up getting towered over by other plants, because I run so many different strains and phenos at a time, true. So it just it can't really cut it in my space. So I'm not going to keep that one, but I've got another one I'm about to throw into flower that's pretty big, so, and that one seems to be a lot more stretchy than the other one, not like a super stretcher, but more like that nice happy medium between them, you know, which is kind of what I like. I don't want it to be so stretchy that it's touching the lights, but I don't want it to be so not stretchy that it just gets powered over and all the lights get blocked out by everybody else, you know. Well,

even if it's not the B, O, B, that's okay. I'll get, I'll give the low down to all you audience members on that KLM sample, because that's what I'm that's, yeah,

that one's, that one's super, super exciting, just because I haven't had a good line profile in a while. So I was excited that the line came out on her. I've actually got another, you know, a key lime too, but that one's still in veg. I'm pretty sure it's a nail, but I haven't necessarily confirmed it, and I've just been leaving it in veg, so

I have to wait to flip it.

Alright, let's knock this question out and then, and then we'll wrap wrap it up. Mary Beth is a great question for you, though, any companion planting ideas for cannabis? Companion planting, of course, growing this growing plants, usually in the same container, usually got a big container to encourage things like either encourage terpene production or keep pests away. What's your favorite companion plants for cannabis? I

would go with the mints and everything in that mint family that includes the salvias, that's the lavender, rosemary, all those kind of

things at the same time. She's

like, you need to grow detura And salvia and poppies, those are the best companion plants.

Well, I'll tell you what, but when I say salvia,

I mean, the selfies are the lavenders and the Rosemarys and that family sage. Sage is the other one. I'm trying to get my brain to that all makes sense. Oh, that's and so, yeah, this way. And they have ground cover versions that grow really flat to the ground. So the other thing that I want to make sure that I mentioned before the show's over is that I've been running around with my laser temperature thing lately. And you know, our air temperature will be in the hundreds, but the surface of the soil is 140 150 degrees, depending on where I point this thing. So listen to me when I say, put your mulch on because underneath the mulch, it's only 90 degrees, and your biology can live in 90 degrees, but it will definitely be dead at 141 50 degrees. So that's top inches of soil where your ladder roots are suddenly like, oh, devoid of life so and your plants suffer so much because it wants cool roots. So mulch, mulch, mulch, mulch, mulch, mulch, mulch. I'm giving you your mulch report. Come on, people, don't be shy. Yes. And inside your mulcher, there's a whole freaking ecosystem in your mulch that helps you, like there's frogs in there, little spiders in there. They go and help with your pest control too. So they're part of the whole scene. I mean, I'm thinking about outdoor growers. Obviously this isn't going to happen in your tent, but some of us do outdoors, and this kind of plant, not just your campus plants, they need freaking mulch is

important, serious, and that insulation does help. You know, when I was in humble and I was growing indoors, I was always battling the heat. Now, LEDs kind of changed a lot of stuff, but. It, my plants probably would have just been happier. And some big living soil beds with a nice mulch cover, if I'm being perfectly honest, they probably would have done way better. They do pretty well with the exposed Yeah, just Yeah. Those are all great. It makes sense that you might grow something like rosemary with the eucalyptol, you know those. It's really a game of terpenes a lot of the time, right? So like lavender produces linalool, which is a natural pest repellent, eucalyptol is a natural pest repellent. A lot of people say that if you get the kind of economies of the root zones going with these other terpene producing plants, they'll help your plant produce more and better terpenes. So Basil is thrown in alongside cannabis, you know, flavorful things like that. The only thing I would say is just don't plant anything that can attract pests. I had I planted clover and I attracted spider mites. I planted peppers, which attracted aphids, although there are different species, so if you see some pests, they won't transfer over to your cannabis, things like powdery mildew and aphids canopy. Aphids our strain specific, Rich. What do you plant with your cannabis? Before we wrap up this stream? I don't

do any companion planning. I did one time on accident, when I was top dressing with, uh, like, dried hay as, like a mulch. I was using it as a mulch, not realizing that it it had a bunch of seeds in it still. So like, my big ass pots were having just a ton of hate coming up. And I was like, fuck it. Let's do it. So I would chop it down and, like, leave it on top of the pot. And actually, that planted fantastic, like, it thrived. That's living soil. I never, like, I never had any kind of feed on it, because all this stuff was breaking down. And just like, refeeding it, it seemed like. So it did really, really well. I just didn't having a bunch of hay in my grow. But, well, that's, that's great. It worked. And then this year I have some outdoor cover crops on, like, my garden beds for strawberries and shit. I got clover, and then, like, this really short grass, that's working really well, because they're kind of acting like a, like, like a mulch would or like a straw would, kind of hold the strawberries up and keep them from laying on the ground and get all nasty Nice.

Some people were recommending strawberries in the chat. That makes sense, too. And of course, don't forget, you can also just plant cannabis. When I was in Hawaii Molokai, Kevin said, in Molokai, you plant the Paco Lolo alone every time. So if you're not companion planting, it's okay too. All right, guys, this was a fucking great stream. Mary Beth, thank you so much for always helping out and helping with the amas. We appreciate you. We love you. Let's get some love for Mary Beth and for rich in the chat, guys, we

love you so

nice. You're both. You guys are the best on this team.

Thank you, Rick, appreciate you popping in, man. Thank you for the grand fino hunt. Let's do a big update on that in the next week or two, and just loving it, man, loving it.

Yeah, I love all you guys. I hope everybody has an awesome weekend. All the members. You Jordan, Mary Beth, everybody

and y'all hot out beautiful, take

care of yourselves. Let me say goodbye to my favorite people. I'll see you Wednesday for the GCTV. Great. Amas is awesome. Ron, thank you guys, good night or Good day to you. Go have a wonderful day. Earl of five, Midnight farmer. Darren J Ben chance Michael, Johnny dank. Trav Jackson, Crazy Legs, bye, guys, we'll see you next time. Crow cast TV on Wednesday. THANK YOU CRAZY LEGS for that gift bag. Man, that helped me feel better. Bye, guys, see you next time. All right, that's the show. Thank you so much. Thank you for tuning in, everybody. Thank you to all listeners. Thank you to all the members. The Grand fino Hunt is going down. We're hunting through 200 fino hunt boxes sponsored by hygrezyme. Shout out to hygrizheim for sponsoring the grand final hunt. It was so nice of them to step up and become sponsors of this event, putting up the prize money, because hygrozyme is awesome. Not only are they an amazing product. You can find@hygrozyme.com their flagship enzyme formulation, plus their high clean cleaner, their high shield root protectant, their hygro punch IPM product now their hygro Ben, the beneficial bacteria product. They're really killing it over@hygrozyme.com and like I said, they've been around forever. They've got a great standing in the industry, and they support community. They're sponsoring our Pheno hunt. We're into it. Some people are already about to find to flip into the fino hunt. This one is flying by some amazing growers in there, and it's all thanks to rhizorich, the Grow cast community, and hygrozine. So thank you to high grzyme. Thank you to all of our fino hunters. Come and check us out. Growcast podcast.com/membership, jump in. You won't regret it, and the next fino hunt will be coming before you know it. So we've got different ones lined up, different Pheno hunt boxes, different prizes, different formats for the contest. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Plus, we have the Attack of the Clones challenge coming. If you're not absolutely confident in your cloning game, come and join the Attack of the Clones grow along. Challenge in Grow cast membership, we will get you cloning at a 95% plus success rate. Make sure that you can take copies of those plants, because that's what it's all about. When you're hunting for a lot of people, it's finding that special unicorn and then keeping it so again, if you're not completely satisfied with your cloning game, come and join grow cast membership, because we're about to go into a whole long form challenge and a lot of content, deep dives on cloning. So I hope to see you there. Everybody. All right, that's it for now. I'm still running around. The studio is damn near finished, making some plans going to Hawaii. Got a big Ok, callux Natural Farming intensive in October. Grab those tickets, already halfway sold out. You'll hear more promo for that coming soon. And I'm at mush Fest in Oklahoma October as well. So come on out to mush fest. You can look up Oklahoma mush Fest and come see you. There. More updates, more travel stuff. I'll be releasing some update episodes. You know the drill. Thank you so much, everybody. I'll let you go take care out there. Bye, bye.

So, mulch, mulch, mulch, mulch, mulch, mulch. I'm giving you your mulch report. Come on, people do.