One moment that felt like surprising, for sure, and I always think of this as one of the kind of turning points in amps story was that after the conference had moved to Detroit, and the quality of it had substantively shifted to be rooted in the radical movement legacies of Detroit, as well as kind of weaving in these different movements from around the country. Yet, it felt like a big question of what's the value of this conference to Detroit. But after every conference, more and more local organizers would come to to us and say, like, we learned how to do you know, cell phone journalism at this conference, even though that was taught by de labor organizers from Los Angeles. They would be like, we want to learn how to do that, and will you lead a training for us? We're like, well, we don't necessarily know how to do all these digital media skills that you experienced at the conference, but we can try and start building up capacity for more of these kinds of trainings and infrastructure. When Obama was elected in 2009, and the Stimulus Act was passed, there was a big piece of that was committed to "closing the digital divide" in cities like Detroit. We were part of a coalition that kind of came together around this idea that if all this federal money was going to flow into our city, we didn't want it just to go to the big telecom corporations. We wanted it to go to the grassroots to really think about how digital infrastructure could be a layer on top of the really vibrant organizing infrastructure that we saw in Detroit. And so that was the the origins of the digital Justice Coalition, and I think the biggest surprise was that we actually got that federal money, because it was a sort of thing where it was like, we're welfare rights organizers, and EJ organizers, and grassroots media makers, and hip hop youth leading activists, and we're not going to actually get this federal money. But we're gonna make this coalition and come up with a brilliant vision for how we would use it if we were to get it. When we actually did, and it was through partnership with Michigan State University that we were able to get that money, it was really game changing. And I think for all of the the folks who were involved of that era, we were stretched in ways that we couldn't have imagined in terms of both our organizational capacity, our all of our personal relationships, our political ideas. It was just stretch, stretch, stretch, and so that was a period of such learning and growth upon the you know, the ending of that. What we ended up doing with the infrastructure that was built through that was to launch what's now our our sponsored projects program.