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Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

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Michael Maxsenti

00:31

Welcome to front and center, from the political battlefields to the cooperative playing fields. Today, we have an incredible guest. It's amazing timing today being indigenous peoples day as well as Columbus Day. And it's perfect for the conversation that we're going to have shortly here. But before we go any further, I'd like to hand it off to my partner here, Steve to introduce our guest, Steve.

Steven Bhaerman

01:03

Hey there, welcome our guest today, Seana Newcomb. I met her about three years ago at the Oregon Country Fair, I met her and her dad, her dad, Steven Newcombe is a world renowned expert on what was something we'll be talking about the doctrine of discovery. And he is a Latin scholar, a legal scholar, and so on. And it was very, very edifying to find out about the papal decrees back in the 1400s, that essentially gave the white colonials of conquistadores full power over whoever they encountered, looking at these people as less than human. And so we're here with Shauna, because not only was there the domination code, but now looking from the past to the future. Shawna has been working with something called the reverence code, which is a place that we want to go. So I'm very excited about talking with you today about boasts about the past, and about the future that could possibly be our so let's look at the domination code more closely. First of all, welcome, Shawna.

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

02:18

Thank you, it's good to be here with you Michael and Steve.

Steven Bhaerman

02:21

good. It seems to me that because it's so ubiquitous, most people fail to recognize this domination, and count the exploitation of people as kind of human nature. Well, I want to know, is it tell us more about this, this domination code, what it's all about, and what the implications are?

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

02:46

And yes, I feel like it begins just with a different context that many people have really been accustomed to, or understand, certainly within the history that has been taught through schools. And I just want to begin, as I usually do, and my dad usually does, as well that, we'd like to just begin by acknowledging the original peoples and nations lands of wherever you may be in the world, I feel that that's a very important part of a shift that we're working through where people have not really understood the land that we're walking on every single day, and with the historical context of how we got here. And the trauma that many people have experienced, I feel like is well, it's connected to all of the things that we're seeing currently, with the social, political, ecological, economic challenges, racial challenges, all of these things I feel like are kind of shedding a light in order for us to witness and heal and understand this deeper historical context. And speaking of that domination, code and this doctrine of discovery, I feel like there is really a different origin story that many people have not understood and this deeper history to this roots that go way, way back centuries old. That, you know, it began with Well, I understand and appreciate, you know, I honor all spiritual paths. The historical context is that it began with the Vatican church. And these people bowls that you mentioned, were issued by these Pope's in the Vatican, and my dad has it been able to translate those directly from Latin to English, and they say, to conquer, vanquish and subdue all Saracens, pagans and enemies of Christ to take all of their lands, possessions and gold and put them into perpetual slavery for God, Glory and gold. And so really just within the context of just the heavy, the heaviness of those words, as like a decree that this would then, you know, unleash this onto the planet and how that affects all places that that went out and it really also is a direct line to my dad has a film the Doctrine of Discovery unmasking the domination code. In that one hour film, it's been opening hearts and minds throughout the world. And I feel it's very enlightening for people to really see that and say, Wow, I had no idea. I've been through graduate school, I've had all these degrees, and I've had all this education, how could I not know this history, and it's because I feel, you know, is history that hasn't been really told or focused upon until now. And my dad has been doing that work for 40 years now. So really paving the way for many other people that are also speaking about these things. But I feel like this is also painting, a very clear picture on that domination, dehumanization, patterns that are very prevalent in all aspects of our lives today. So I feel like it you know, it's affecting our bodies and our minds and our hearts in our spirit, our sense of purpose, our connection with our families, and relationships, or abundance, and our impact in our communities in certainly on the planet. But the other side of it I feel like as well is that we're working through what I see is very much a spiritual evolution that we're able to have the pendulum swinging from, I feel like at one time we began, all people throughout the planet, there was an original spirituality that was based on reverence and a deep understanding with sacred laws that we have still to this day within our indigenous cultures and understanding of this connection with the land and really honoring it as our Mother Earth. And we don't harm our mother, of course. And so there's a different kind of mentality that is really based on respect and reverence, and a deep understanding of what it means to really see a way of life that's going to perpetuate life and reverence for future generations going seven generations and beyond into the future. So I feel like this is part of our shift is, really there's a reckoning happening. And I think that's a big part of it, there's a lot of darkness and maybe a yin yang kind of a, an energy, like so much is swirling right now. And people are in this kind of chaos and confusion, trying to work through what is happening, there's a lot of finger pointing and divisive kind of, you know, arguments and conversation happening. But I feel like, the more that we can connect on this deeper root, that is our wounding for all peoples throughout the planet. It's not just one person or another person. Yes, we've all been traumatized. And really, the root of that is that domination code, that dehumanization, which is really you know, about abuse, it's about abuse of the planet, and really thinking of nature as commodity. And also, you know, people like the fact that the slavery was, you know, built into the whole thing of like, coming into the country, as it, you know, began still to be reckoned with today. So these types of things, understanding, you know, the genocide that was committed here, and the original peoples that have been in existence in our free and independent existence, from time immemorial, and ways of harmony and balance that were upheld for millennia that now have been interrupted to such an extent that we're seeing such dramatic, you know, changes with the climate emergency and how dire it is that we really make the change. So it's about coming together in a really powerful way, and really coming into new awareness and evolution for ourselves

Michael Maxsenti

08:41

Shawna. Before we go, shot up, could you tell people again, because when I watched your father's documentary, that was an incredible eye opener for me. Yeah. It was a real eye opener, how, again, the title of it and where could they see it? How would they be able to access it? If you could reiterate that?

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

09:05

Yes. Um, so the title of my dad's film is the doctrine of discovery, unmasking the domination code by Steven Newcomb is you know, he's the person that this work for 40 years. And, and also his book is pagans in the Promised Land, decoding the doctrine of Christian discovery. And really, you know, helping people to see the clear lines of how this Vatican documents were put out into the world. And the countries that were really promoting this as a pattern in way of living and doing things in the world operating in the world. And then how that then became the basis of the United States and legal applications have these doctrine that is still in effect today. And that's where people are, their minds are blown in saying how come I never knew this, how could this be in existence today? How could it never been questioned? What's happening here, it's like a total new reality construction for people. And people can access we have a Vimeo link now. And, as well, DVDs that people can still, if they choose to have it in that form as well. And so that's, that's a way that people can access that. And it is one hour long. It's very powerful. We also like to provide a way for organizations or universities, for instance, we put together a q&a version, where people can watch the film, and then have a q&a with us after the film. And that's been been very powerful as well.

Steven Bhaerman

10:43

So good. We'll have we'll have that posted. Shawna, one of the most shocking things when I when I listened to your dad, when I when I watched the movie, is that this doctrine of discovery, these people, both this is still being used as established law, the Supreme Court, even in this century, has actually cited the Doctrine of Discovery as as legal precedent.

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

11:11

Absolutely, yes. And that's what's very shocking, and people have a hard time understanding and you know, but this is, this is the nature of these things. And, you know, they've had certain things that people have thought, Oh, well, this is great, we're seeing some changes. But my dad and other legal scholars that he's friends with at work on understanding the deeper nature of, for instance, the Macintosh Johnson versus Macintosh case, these applications are like, hidden down deep into the loss. So, um, you know, there'll be different cases, for instance, I know my dad is very passionate about the Oak Flat case, that's happening with the Apache nation and sacred lands that they have been, you know, going and talking and saying, We want to really make sure that these lands are protected, but they keep citing this doctrine of discovery. So that's a very current application, just as of, you know, 2020. So it's not as though this is something that's all the way back in the past and no longer relevant. It's very current today, for our indigenous nations and peoples. But I feel like for all peoples throughout the planet, as well.

Steven Bhaerman

12:26

So you know, one of the things in addition to the actual physical genocide, there's also cultural genocide that's taken place. And so I'm curious, in your in your growing up? Where did the Where did the native tradition fit in for you? And how did you? Was it something that you had continually as a child, or is it something that you discovered as a young adult?

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

12:52

Um, well, actually, I feel very grateful that, you know, interestingly, so many of you know, our original nations, indigenous peoples, you know, because of this genocide, because of the colonial agenda, really, I feel like in many ways, you know, our great grandfather's were placed into the residential boarding schools, or my dad says, The boarding schools of domination, so many of our great grandfather's or grandmothers and have been, you know, suffered through abuse and beaten for speaking or traditional languages and not understanding our cultures or ceremonies. And it was an intentional way of taking that away from the families and the children so that they would become more indoctrinated into the colonized culture, I guess, if you will. And so I feel grateful that with my upbringing, I was able to connect not necessarily with my direct line like our Manabe, where I feel very proud, I usually say that at the very beginning, I feel really grateful that growing up I was able to be among indigenous nations and elders from many different cultures from many different lines and lineages. And that gave me such a grounding and foundational understanding of, of ceremony and you know, the songs and the dance and, and really just understanding the elders and their teachings in a really deep and meaningful way. I don't think I really understood that and how profound that was until later in life. But certainly it's affected me in a deep way and, and had a very big impact to walk a really spiritual path. I think from a young age. Maybe that was just me, though, in many ways. But yeah, I grew up with traditional people and ceremony as a young child and I feel grateful for that I grew up with really in a multicultural community as well.

Michael Maxsenti

14:57

I want to interject something here because I think it's so important that what you're bringing forth China and what needs to be brought into light for so many people, but I think it's important that we expand broader because so many Western European cultural lineage people are going through a period right now of feeling shamed. And, and that you can't talk about this. And as soon as you start to go into this, how the mistreatment, the genocide that occurred in our nation towards the Indians, the end the slavery issue, as it relates to the blacks, in particular, obviously, it's like, oh, I'm being beaten up again, as, as a Western. And by the way, I'm an eighth, Cherokee Indian, and as Hispanic, you know, and then, and then three quarters of Western European and half of that being Italian. But it's important for people to understand it, the genocide and the slavery that occurred here in North America to the Indians in the blacks has been going on for 1000s of years. It happened to the Western Europeans, why it started off, you know, back to the Celtics, what they did, and how they totally enslaved, destroyed their culture, etc, etc. And then the Romans came along, and they just did it. Again, it's been this constant evolution throughout humanity's history, throughout the world, that this is the been the evolutionary path that we've all shared at different times. And I think it's really hugely important that that is acknowledged upfront quickly, so that people of all cultures and backgrounds can go, Wow, I'm it's not my people that were these racist, genocidal maniacs. It's been the evolution of all peoples throughout all of history. So now, let's acknowledge that help each other now, focus on where we can go from there, which is obviously where we want to get to in the conversation, but I felt it was important to bring that up for our audience's benefit for those people so that they will want to listen further want to be curious of and and forgive themselves and their ancestors for what happened on North American shores? Recognizing that their ancestors were put in the similar position that the Indians and blacks were at different times in their history before that?

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

17:54

Yes, I feel like it certainly is, as I was mentioning, before, part of this domination dehumanization pattern that has been there established before those Vatican documents actually were issued. But I feel like, this is part of the different origin story as well, that we're learning this deeper history. But I feel like when we learn history, in the course of his story, it feels like just paint the picture from where they say civilization began, civilization. My dad goes into the know the roots. And you know, he's very much into the roots of language and dissecting all of that. But um, you know, it's very interesting to see that when you look at the word civilization, it is another word for it would be domination. So that domination culture began where civilization began. So history is only told through the lens of domination and dehumanization, if you look at it in that way, and and so that pattern perpetuates, and I've done a lot of research and I have my course the reference code, reset chain rigorous course. And I help people go through a journey of about eight weeks to 10 weeks, where we're really looking deep dive into this history and understanding that this is something that is true all around the planet for all peoples. Certainly, though, I feel like the reckoning is, is really understanding very much with compassion, what has happened, because it has not yet been acknowledged. There has been no responsibility taken very, very minimally, or the genocide that has happened here in North America, Turtle Island, as we call it, and Avi Ayala, and certainly with the slavery and all of these things. So I feel like those things are coming to the light in order for people to work through it. That's part of our it's not a comfortable time, but it is part of our evolution to grow. And I see it's very important also, though, on the other side of that, that people can see as well that it isn't just one groups of people, it's going all the way back to those Roman times to the Greek times that those narratives and understandings of what it meant to really have civilization and establish this pattern was something that was being played out all over across Europe. Another thing that I talked about is really honoring the sacred feminine as well as the sacred masculine. But I see these things that brought about civilization, we're really bringing about that domination, dehumanization code. And so you know, declaring these incredible healers and, and people across Europe as witches in the witch trials there, and then bringing that in the Inquisition. Those are extremely, you know, terrible accounts of of, of all of the atrocities that happened across Europe, in the name of civilizing, you know, in bringing things into a certain way that that is known today, in the colonization there. And then as it came across the shores to the Americas, and what is now known as the Americas, to the peoples over here and across the planet with, you know, the transatlantic slave trade. So these are all symptoms, but we're talking about symptoms. So I think, the more that we can see the root of things here with that domination, dehumanization route. I think that's really a point where we can come together, because that is the source of our collective trauma. That's really the the tap root.

Steven Bhaerman

21:43

I want to go a little bit more into the how is a reference code emerged out of this? Where did that come from? How did you develop it and say more about this reference code, because this is kind of the, what Charles Eisenstein would call the more beautiful world our hearts know as possible, we're looking at that as something to hold out in front of us as a possibility. So say more about that.

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

22:06

I'm not exactly sure. Like, I just remember having a conversation with my dad. And I'm really I feel my spiritual path has been something that has been calling to me since I was a young child, like even four years old, I remember having very profound dreams as a four year old, and as an eight year old, just kind of like, I see developmental points in my life, 12 years old. And then 13, into my teens, I just was very much into personal development, spiritual development. And I think having an understanding of that, and my own personal growth, and working through things, and then also having an understanding of what I learned in those indigenous connections with the elders and the ceremonies, and, and also trauma that I've experienced personally, it really just began to bring up a lot of questions for me. And I said, and I remember saying to my dad, you know, I see that domination code, it's so clear, but I feel like there's something more here and it's, it's so much more beyond just the respect. It's this awe and this wonder, and so I just feel that it was, it was part of the spiritual path that I've been on, and really a lot of questions about what was happening in the world. And I remember having this conversation with my dad, which we have a lot of long conversations and, and I said, you know, it seems like the opposite of domination code is the reference code. And, you know, it's, it's this odd this wonder for life, and really this deep spiritual connection that there are no words to even describe, like, we have kind of fleeting moments of that for some people. But how can we have an honoring of that as really the way forward and for more people to experience that. And I feel like just having so many people come to the movie showings and seeing my dad's film and the awakenings I get to see people's the kind of the deer in the headlights. People's minds were just blown open, and they and they would come up to me literally pulling my shirt sleeve and saying, I don't know what to do. I never knew this, I have to do something. And so I said, Dad, we can't just leave them like that we have to help them. What can we offer? And I don't know I think you just over several many years, I started to come together with like different things that were part of my spiritual path. And as well as messages that I've received in dreams and connections from the elders, I bring in aspects of my dad's work and that deeper understanding of the language and the history. So I feel like that reference code is something very much that's a part of everybody and everything everywhere. It's connected to the original teachings. things that the original peoples have known for forever, really. But it's coming back to it.

Steven Bhaerman

25:08

I think people are really wanting to revert back to that, sensing that there's something missing. Since we stopped thinking about seven generations up and seven generations back and sort of say more about this, this reverence code, when you're when you're sharing this with people as part of your, your classes, or even your personal work with people, how do people bring this into their lives as this new reference code?

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

25:40

Um, well, as I mentioned, it's kind of a transformational journey. So there's a lot of steps to it. Um, but I feel like there's, you know, I did receive kind of these core foundational teachings that I offer in that. And then people come through a journey of really going deep down into the history, as I've kind of been talking about. And then coming out the other side, I feel like it's going into a deeper understanding of the narrative that many people have been taught in school. And I feel like it's a path of unlearning, just as much as learning, because there's a lot of unlearning, and that decolonization education, I think, in many ways, some people have said that were things that we've learned and taken for granted in the understandings that people have had from schooling, it's, it's actually not having us fully integrate into our spiritual self. I don't know if that makes sense. But that's, I feel like that's there's sort of this unlearning that needs to happen in order for us to really go deep into the spiritual understanding. And it's part of a pullet personal healing journey. And I feel like a personal reckoning in some ways, like going deeper into our own personal work. And then there's also collective work. And I've had people that have come to the course and said, You know, I've spent my whole life being in service that I've just wanted to give to others. But I thought it was selfish, that focus on myself. And it's like, oh, but actually, you can do so much, you can go so much deeper with the work that you're doing in the world. When you go deep within and really look into the healing that's there needed within yourself, then you can focus even more on the collective healing to. So I feel like that's where people people walk through, they're going, understanding the domination code, and really deep into that, and then understanding the reference code and these teachings that are based on the original instructions of our nations and peoples in the digitus traditions throughout the world. And really understanding that there's a new story, there's a new paradigm, I talked about something called the great shift, which I see is, is on the spiritual side of things, but it's within the collective of everything that we're seeing right now. It's kind of like, I see that it's by design in a way that all of these things are coming to the forefront. The shadows coming to the light in order to be witnessed and healed. And so I is painful it is it is to have all of this coming up at us right now, in a way. It's like, okay, look, all the alarm bells are ringing around the planet, it's time for us to make changes, dramatic changes. And in start to look at things in a new way, from a different perspective. And if it hasn't been really working the way it's been, you know, for this many centuries, things are dramatically out of balance and off kilter. There are certain shifts that in my dad actually gave a talk in the Parliament of world religions in 2015. And he said, to work on climate change, without working on a paradigm change would be a grave mistake. And also that, you know, looking at the patterns of domination and dehumanization, that's been the basis of kind of the world in the way it is the modern world. And so that's where we really need to focus is really seeing and there's a personal responsibility and accountability at this time. Each and every one of us has to face and take and look at and certainly the governments and organizations and companies and corporations, you know as well, because it we all depend on this. It's like we don't have the luxury of time anymore. It's beyond the 11th hour. And you know, so it's it's time to come together in these different ways. And understandings

Michael Maxsenti

29:46

Shawna, something that you you wrote a note from Shawna Blue Star Newcomb on your website and the opening of it. There's something I wanted to comment on what you said there In today's world, we've been conditioned to believe in limitations and lack. And that magic isn't real, miracles aren't possible, or that success is only for a select few. And then going on a little bit, you said, it's time to see life and the world from a new perspective, and what truly is possible for you. And I think that's an important point that you're making about limitations. And it reminded me of a, of a Japanese proverb that was recently brought to me that I think is, is perfectly in keeping with with where we are right now, and in what you just said, about the need to expand our perspectives. And this Japanese proverb is, the frog in the well knows nothing of the sea. And this proverb is about the limits of experience, and how those limits limit us. And it calls us to get out into the world, and expand our consciousness, expand our thinking, that's when we can really begin to find solutions, and find new perspectives and create that holistic, more holistic view, that then we can begin to accept each other and new ways, bring new spirituality into the world, and love and compassion for each other. And together, we can stand shoulder to shoulder and arm to arm to begin dealing with the significant challenges of our time, like climate derangement, which I prefer that word. And, and, and the root causes of so many issues that we face today. So, I'd like you to continue to comment further on this reverence code. And, and because what you're talking about is, what can I do, and you break it down very specifically, about what can I do, and how to help people see a way forward, so that they can contribute to the change.

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

32:13

I think it's interesting, sometimes I forget what I put out there. And reminder, what was on my website, thank you. And I feel that I definitely I, you know, this is part of my life. Work, I think, um, you know, I very much feel that it's about coming into our possibilities are infinite possibilities. And, you know, in some ways that schooling that people have had, has been definitely pointing to a place of lack. I don't know, there's a, there's a mental conditioning that happens, where people feel that they are not their possibilities. People are, you know, just in trauma with self doubt. And competition is, is what people are really, you know, feeling like, Oh, I've got to compete, I've got to, you know, look a certain way, do all these things in a certain way. Because it's the conditioning again, it's this domination, dehumanization world, it's, we're swimming in it, or swimming in that in those waters. And people are in I've talked about this, that people think, well, something just doesn't feel right. But we turn that internally, and we think that that's something is wrong with me. But I say often, you know, what, if it's not that there's something wrong with me or you, it's that there's something wrong with society? And maybe we should start there, like, you know, that, like, let's really look at what waters we're swimming in. What has this and things like, you know, we tell children? Well, don't brag about yourself, well, don't say that how smart you are. Well, you know, don't see how beautiful you are, you know, like, but then Oh, it's okay to say, I look like crap today. You know, like, why these things are ups. We're living in an upside down world that's crazy making and it doesn't make sense when you really start to have critical thinking and say, how, why is it like this? How did it get set up like that? And but yet, we're turning that internally, or pointing fingers at others. It's my fault, or it's your fault? Well, let's look at what's really the How did it get like this? It was a setup. It's set up this way. And how can we start to create a new story, a new visioning and really see our possibilities? Because I feel like the spiritual path that is so beautiful and so profound, is that we have innate superpowers. We have intuition and incredible guidance with us on a spiritual level that was cut off from us. It's like heading off our route. And that's the reference code and at one time Before so pre civilization, there's not a lot of, of, you know, focus on pre civilization because it's like, oh, those Neanderthals and those stupid, non civilized barbarian people, you know, that's the narrative. And what if that is the beauty and the magic of where things really are that how we can get back into balance how we can bring the solutions and innovative ways that people are like, if only we had the magic formula? Well, we do. It's just been like, thrown in the garbage for eons. Now, um, so it's bringing it back. And the pendulum is swinging, I feel like we started actually in the reference code. And then it, it slowly, slowly, slowly started to infect this original virus of the domination code. And that became the way of things that was the normal. And now we're being called to come back to the reference code. And that's the future.

Michael Maxsenti

35:58

You said something there about, you referenced how people refer to people of the past as barbarians, and etc, because they're comparing only that which is made through technology, and through the modern technology and science. And so anybody who didn't have those kind of, of computers and and look at how advanced we are, and yet those people that they're referring to as barbarians and savages, they were really truly connected on much higher levels of spirituality to the, to the land, and to each other. They offered us so much learning that we forgotten. Think about that I go back many times to the debates of the slave debates with Lincoln and Stevens, they would people, hundreds and hundreds of people dressed in wool garments in the middle of the summer, in the middle of the Midwest would stand for three hours listening to a debate by two people on one subject. We can't get beyond a tweet, we can't get beyond a if it takes more than three minutes, people's level of concentration goes away. And we think we're smart. I go back and read my father's papers written in 1920 Something in high school, and those would be better than most college level papers today. The level of vocabulary, etc. People think we're so advanced, we've gone the opposite direction in almost every single measurable way, except what technology has been able to create produce the surround us with stuff.

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

37:39

Yes.

Steven Bhaerman

37:43

That's a good answer. That's how you say that, in picking up on that. How do we break the trance you know, we've been our so called civilization. And by the way, that's another word that your your dad has helped deconstruct, to civilize civilized those savages. That's how that word has been used. So again, in this relearning process, we've been called a taker civilization where we, we extract and exploit, how do we break that trance? And I, how do we break that trends? individually? And collectively? And What signs do you see that, that this is actually an opening for us now?

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

38:27

Yeah, I think it's very interesting. Well, I've often said that our smartphones are not smart. You know, they they have the AutoCorrect, for instance, is always causing all kinds of problems and misunderstanding. So yeah, technology is not always helping us. Um, I mean, there are there are benefits, but certainly a lot of challenges. I think that part of that too, though, is is interesting. Like, I, you know, ask people that I work with in my courses, and my clients, like, have you scheduled nothing today? You know, these are the things that people are so hyper, like, multitasking, and they cannot stop looking at their phones, and they've got all kinds of notifications. And, um, you know, if there's no space to just be. I think that's one of the biggest challenges to begin with. It's like, how can people just breathe? How can people just decompress? I feel like that's like, just sitting still. That's one of the really beautiful, unlearning things to focus on first. And I often talk about getting into nature. So I feel like you know, just coming into a sense of stillness, which is not part of the modern day culture to be still to be quiet. These are things that are not valued in, you know, the modern culture. It's kind of like if you're just sitting still and being quiet, there's something wrong with you like we're What's wrong with you? Why aren't you? Or if you're like off of social media for like a day or two, are they okay? What's wrong with them? Where are they kind of, you know, so these, they're just there's a different way, a quietness, a softer way, a softer approach to life that I think is missing. And that reverence just coming even even sitting, if you're, you know, coming into a city park, you could be in the city, but you have that moment, it doesn't have to, I don't really say that it has to be that people go into meditation for hours and have this hole. Certainly they can. Um, I feel like it's just simple practices. That's what I encourage that can bring people into more alignment and balance that is part of this relearning to connect to ourselves to a spiritual connection. I think without that, that's part of that centering that's needed for people to really start to feel what it's like to come into the reference code. If they are just full of busyness, they can't have the same connection at all that connection with the land, the more that people can be on the land, like actually sleeping on the ground, you know, walking barefoot, like these kinds of things that people have, you know, for the time it was like, oh, you know, you don't go barefoot? Well, you've got to wear shoes, you've got you know, it's kind of like these very tennis, simple things that people have taken for granted. Just connecting with the land in that way it energy. I mean, it's scientifically proven. I like to look at quantum physics. And I geek out on that stuff, too, because I'm like, Yay, it's actually describing the scientific basis behind so much in the spiritual understanding the ancient peoples have known for so long. If you need the science to somehow back it up, but it works. You just go in, and you connect, and it's beautiful.

Steven Bhaerman

42:04

Our slogan is it works in practice, but does it work in theory is so good that science is proving what these people have known for? decades, many 1000s of years. Yeah. Michael, do you have any, you have something else you want to ask? Because I've got a couple of questions here.

Michael Maxsenti

42:22

Yeah. One of the things that that has been lacking and why we've gotten in off track, for so long has been the domination by the male, the masculinity. And one of the most essential things to bring us back into balance is the rising of the feminine side of humanity. And you have a course even in that in a program coming up called sacred feminine rising, and that is so so hugely important. If we're going to achieve a new balance with life and move beyond where this place is that we're stuck in. It has to be when we can achieve a new balance between the masculine and the feminine. Can you elaborate on your course the Sacred Feminine Rising and, and help us understand this?

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

43:20

Yes. Well, I appreciate you bringing that to attention as well. Um, I feel that, you know, this is part of that deeper wounding where that domination code, I, you know, in my own research, my dad is definitely a researcher, and I think I am to an extent as well. And, you know, just I think I had this burning desire to understand, well, how did it get like this? How far back does it go? And I started to look into a lot of the history of the Inquisition and the witch trials, and I'm, you know, I have had an injured my own personal challenges through an abusive relationship for a time and, you know, I just didn't understand like, how could this happen happen, you know, what is what is wrong with the world, but that these things could be so common, you know, there's so much rampant abuse throughout the planet and there has been, you know, certainly directed towards women directed towards the feminine. And so I started to look at that and really see that it was also something that was in the, in the civilization of things. I looked at something called Hama Robbie's code. It was the first time that law was written in stone literally, like chiseled into stone. And, you know, these laws about how the men were to treat the women and this kind of the hierarchy. So the the modeling in the Domination code is higher than less than superior, inferior, and kind of like this condemnation. others is built into it. And so you know, in the beginning, I see that there was a shift that it went from women being on the altar, women were sacred women were seen as these incredible sacred, magical beings, because we can birth babies we can bring life. And you know, that was on the altar at one time, and you can see it on the ancient artworks. And it's, it's incredible. And then it's a shift, there's a shift even in the artwork, where it starts to become about men on horseback, and there's swords, and this Gore, and this violence is then glorified and put on the altar. So I see that's a very big shift in how things began to change. And certainly that women that were midwives and healers and having intuitive understandings and knowings, about things, you know, that was that was vilified. And there were men as well. But mostly, you know, the women that were the women's Holocaust all across Europe for 1000s of years. And the trauma within families, I'm sure the trauma within men that couldn't protect the women, you know, all of these things were patterns that were perpetuating for centuries. And I feel like we're still in a time of reckoning around that the me to movement has been such a big, huge reckoning with, with accountability and responsibility and calling things to attention to say, this can no longer happen, we cannot have that life go on this way. So part of my course, is really looking at things again, in a similar way to my reference code course. How can women come together in a powerful sisterhood, that's another part of our healing is healing the sister wound, that we're not against each other, because that has been something that was perpetuated and set up to that women, you know, like, are competing against each other, you know, they say cat fights and all this. It's just, it's toxic. It's all over the, you know, internet. How can we heal in this way? And also, it's not about saying, Oh, those bad men either. It's about saying, Oh, my gosh, this is the focus of how it was set up with that domination code? And how can we heal and how can we see and honor that sacred masculine, as well as the sacred feminine, because that's part of the evolution as well, right now with the great shift is, is the two walking together in a really balanced way. And that's how we also heal the planet and future for future generations. And I feel like it's honoring women in our spiritual connections, just every aspect of our lives. So it's walking with women in sisterhood for a whole year, and really coming through a deep transformational and coming into their possibilities of what they're bringing for their purpose in the world.

Michael Maxsenti

47:48

You know, it's interesting is that, that balance is so essential in every aspect of life. When you have balance, you become so much more, instead of the sum of one plus one equals to two connected balance, souls become far greater than to like my partner, Steve, he, and I were so different. And yet, together, we expand on each other. And you look at that in all relationships, all athletics, all families, to children, having a boy and a girl, they bring the best out of both, and they balanced to each other. And you look around in nature and throughout life, and it's, it's that way, and we lost that, and we've got to come back into balance.

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

48:47

Definitely, I feel like it's also about honoring that within ourselves, that, that we all have aspects of the feminine and the masculine and really coming into a balance with that within ourselves. And each other, I think, is part of the learning as well and growing.

Steven Bhaerman

49:03

Yeah, you know so much about so much of quote unquote, political activism in our, in our lifetime has been about, we would call it transactional fix this thing. Yeah, let's let's raise the minimum wage and that sort of thing. And at the same time, activism has been considered a very pragmatic and non spiritual thing. And what you're bringing back in is this fundamental idea of our connection with whatever that Divine Love, whatever that spirit is, and in our current, so called civilization in the dominant paradigm of scientific materialism, there is the pervasive belief that only the physical world is real. And that seems like a real a real barrier right now. How do we, how do we help people emerge from that?

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

49:54

I guide them to really pay attention to their dreams and synchronicities a lot of people just say, well, that's just a coincidence, and they blow it off. But these are some of the spiritual understandings and ways of working in the world, walking in the world in a different way. Just honoring that there's magic in the world, there's all and there's wonder, and there's incredible joy and bliss, the more that we start to pay attention to these things, and not just dismiss it. So that's part of, I think, maybe an introduction, if you will, to, it doesn't have to be part of, you know, some religious thing, it can be your own unique individual connection to whatever that spiritual way and path is. And I feel like that's unique for each person. But I think that's a good way to begin is just really paying attention to our dreams. And connecting with nature, these are simple things, as I said, that can really bring a lot of meaning for people to begin.

Steven Bhaerman

50:57

This is a really interesting way of actually establishing true power, because you don't have to go through an intermediary, you don't need some kind of a spiritual intermediary. I mean, that's the secret that each of us can have that connection. So that's really, that's really very, very powerful way of looking at the future. Also, I'm very curious. To get more about your vision, some of the things that you see, particularly as we want to have, there's so many dystopian visions out there of where we can go, it's dominates our consciousness. And so we like to television, turn off your TV, television instead. And so I'm what what is your, what would this look like this, this reference code established? What would it be like? What would it feel like? And what do you say,

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

51:53

um, I'll definitely I can share a bit more about what I have received in terms of messages and dreams. And I feel like I'm a part of it as well. There's a lot of native prophecies that talk about these times, that we kind of become coming into this time of this swirling energy. Part of it is what we choose. And we I feel like we very much are powerful in our CO creating and what's possible for the future. And I love what you just said, which I really want to emphasize as well, that it is that direct connection. Because that original severing that I described, and that, you know, coming into the domination code, it was severing our direct connection, and it was saying, No, those people are heretics and those people, you know, they're they're bad. The mystical people were sent somehow, like, you know, witches and not to be trusted, because they were connected in some way to to these other Oh, the powerful beings are only you know, the people in the churches don't listen to anybody, anybody that says differently. They're a witch. So these are the things that it's like a repair. And it is very antiquated. I feel like how can people still? Like, why would we still hold that? Like, of course, we have our own spiritual connection. That's who we are that as beings here on this, you know, in this world, so I feel like part of it is understanding ourselves in a deeper way. The prophecies talk about a time where we would go through a great shaking, I feel like the shaking is urging us to wake up and urging us to come back into balance for ourselves and for the planet, and all beings on the planet, but for the future as well. And I receive a lot of messages, which I wasn't always comfortable sharing, you know, for many years, I could not at all, but the more that I just felt like I actually understood that more elders and native people were sharing messages and other people from around the world as I went to festivals. And so I felt like, oh, well, this is just what's happening right now. This is people receiving visions, receiving dreams receiving messages, because it's what needs to be heard. It feels like it's amplified, for the healing of what's happening right now. So I can share some of the message if you'd like as well. Sure, please. Okay. Um, well, it's very profound message. But I feel like part of this as well is learning to walk in a new way learning to kind of, like I mentioned, coming through this evolutionary piece of, of really looking at the Reckoning and what we've been the trauma, the collective trauma, the personal trauma that we all carry, from that domination, dehumanization, from the the patterns that were unleashed with that doctrine of discovery that are still in effect today. And coming into a new awareness of those magical powers that I kind of sit on my website message, you know, like, we're not limitation and lack. We are so much more there's so much more beyond than even our comprehension of what is possible. For us and for the future, and so it's looking with the eyes and vision of, of true infinite possibilities. And I think that is, is it's, it's empowering, it's inspiring, and I hope the message has fired you as well. But um, so I received this message. And sometimes it's funny, I'll just be cleaning. This sounds really strange. But this happened. So here's the message I received, and I have to write it down. And then I'm just reading to you what I wrote down. But it's not, I don't feel that this is me, I feel like this is much bigger than me.

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

55:34

So my message is called a new direction. And I do have these on my website, the great shift, messages, messages, and I have several of these that are on recording. Now, once more people come to this new way of being with lightness in their heart and a sense of renewal. This is when things truly begin to shift. This is when more and more people begin to feel there's something happening, and the messages begin to spread, and more people will begin to wake up to what they felt was missing before. They will let go of past angers, hatreds, hurts and sorrows and begin anew. This is a new time of renewal and to celebrate that there is indeed a shift. This is a time of coming together and support and community. And people will begin to see the error in their ways. This is a truly powerful time. Next, we see that people find it less and less appealing to be in a world with chaos or violence or fighting, and their hearts really open up in a new way. This is when things start to shift on a large scale. And people come together to make big changes. There is no tolerance for hate, bigotry, slaughtering, hunting for sport, racism, and all the isms and ignorant choices that come from fear in the world. Suddenly, there is a new ideal for coming together, and not about fighting the separateness. This is a new time of deep acceptance for differences, and a realization of oneness on a bigger scale.

Michael Maxsenti

56:58

Wow, that's beautiful. Thank you. Thank you,

Steven Bhaerman

57:04

thank you really powerful and powerfully true.

Michael Maxsenti

57:08

I feel like we are so lucky to be living at this time. So that we can help in this transformation, from a world of separation to an age of reunion, so that we can truly begin to come together as people. And when we come together, the solutions will be found for the significant challenges of our frontiers. And we're on the cusp of that, and we have that opportunity. And old guys like Steve and I and many, many, many others, are hopefully helping connect a bridge of our life's wisdom that we have brought to the next generations and pass on to to you what we've learned to add because it's, it's through that passing on of each level of consciousness that we stand on the shoulders of the generations before us. So that we can see a new way forward. So we can be those frogs to get out of that well, and not allow those limitations that have been built up around us by others, to continue to stand there between us and the infinite possibilities that humanity has in what our Creator has brought forth through us.

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

58:41

Definitely, I do see, it's time for us to spread our wings, so to speak, learn that we have wings into the caterpillar to butterfly moment to spread her wings and see our possibilities in the magic. So definitely.

Michael Maxsenti

58:58

Time for the eagle and the Condor to fly together again.

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

59:01

Yes, yeah.

Michael Maxsenti

59:05

Steve, do you want to have any last question you want to ask? Otherwise? I guess we're kind of reaching the end of our time. And

Steven Bhaerman

59:12

yeah, I think what you just said Shawn would be the is actually the perfect wrap up for the for this interview. I think I'm complete with this. I think we've covered a lot. And I think people will be inspired by it. We're so we're gonna put the links at the bottom. And we also don't have, we're on Facebook. And we also have a YouTube. We're so happy that we were able to do this and we were looking forward to a long term connection in continuing to help to spread the word about what you're up

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

59:46

to. Thank you. Do you mind if I say my website one more time like

Steven Bhaerman

59:49

how you can say your website one more time? Yes.

Shawna Bluestar Newcomb

59:51

Okay. Thank you. I just want to say thank you to both of you. And it's been a pleasure having this conversation. And I hope people find inspiration and you can connect with me at Shawna blue star.com and find me on social media at Shauna Blue Star Newcomb or Shanna blue star.com.

Michael Maxsenti

01:00:10

Shauna, I can't thank you enough. I was so looking forward to this conversation and only wish we had more time. But I do invite our audience to follow front and center. As Steve mentioned on our YouTube channel, we've got a Facebook page. We're brand new, we've just started building our community. We hope that you will, will come and support us. Hopefully you can subscribe so that we can continue to pay our rent and continue our work. So From Political Battlefields to Cooperative Playing Fields, it's a long journey. Let us go there. Together. Thank you

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