⚗️Quality Humic Acids vs Ineffective Forms, Oklahoma Cannabis Shutdowns, Breeding, and More, with Brandon Rust

12:05PM Jan 28, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

Keywords:

Oklahoma cannabis shutdowns

humic fertilizers

breeding work

government control

certificate of compliance

state fire marshals

civic responsibility

home growers

black lime reserve

strain crossbreeding

modern strains

MK Ultra

Mama Wolf collaboration

humic acids

fulvic acids

Greetings cultivators worldwide at Jordan River here back with more grow cast like humic acid for your ears. Today we have Brandon rust back on the line. It's great episode. We talk about the breeding work that he's been doing. We talk about old school strains, we talk about humic fertilizers, and, of course, the craziness that's going on in Oklahoma. Brandon's fired up for this one. I know you guys are gonna love this episode, but before we jump into it, shout out to AC infinity, baby. AC infinity.com. Code growcast One five to get your savings and keep the lights on here at growcast, we appreciate your support, and we love AC infinity. They make the best grow tents around extra thick poles. They've got nice, durable, thick siding. Now they have the new side ports. People have been asking for those in AC infinity list. And plus, they've got everything else you need to grow. They've got lights and pots and fans, and they're oscillating fans the cloud Ray system. Check out their humidifiers. The cloud Forge. How nice is your humidifier? Maybe it's time to replace that. The Cloud rays are my favorite oscillators on the market, and of course, their cloud Line series, what they got it all started with all those years ago when we were partners with AC infinity, all they made were those inline fans, and they're the best in the game. So shout out to the entire AC infinity suite. They've got everything you need to get growing from fans to tents to lights. Code growcast One five works at AC infinity.com. You support us, and you're getting some badass, durable grow gear while you're doing it. So thank you to all you listeners using code grow cast, one, five, and thank you to AC infinity. All right, let's get into it with Brandon. Thank you for listening and enjoy the show. Hello, podcast listeners who are now listening to grow cast, I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to and I want to thank you for tuning in again today. Before we get started as always, I urge you to share this show. Share this show. Tell someone about growcast, turn someone on to growing it's how you can help us out on our mission of overgrow. And check out everything we're doing at growcast podcast.com There you'll find the seeds, the events, the classes, the Membership Special. Thank you to all the members who make this community possible. I could not do this without you. Today, we've got a return guest, good friend of the show. He's busy at work with Bokashi earthworks, doing breeding stuff, activism workout in Oklahoma, all sorts of interesting business we're going to discuss today. Brandon rust, from Bokashi earthworks, is back on the line. What's up? Brandon, how are you doing?

What is going on? Jordan, what's going on? To all your listeners, thanks for having me back on. It's always a pleasure to catch up with old friends. So yeah, buddy. Well, you're

back there in Oklahoma. Man, I made a little bit of an escape. I know it's been, it's been dumping snow back there, which presents challenges, but growers are having much worse challenges than just snowfall right now in Oklahoma, do you want to talk a little bit about the, pardon my language, but about the fuckery that's been going on as far as really sticking it to these cannabis businesses and putting them out of business, very, very corruptly.

So fuckery is always afoot when it comes to government on any level, whether it's local, state or federal, national. It seems that the goal is always control, control, control. I don't just, I just don't like the way that Omma, which is the the organization that oversees licensing in Oklahoma, has actively started a war to take out Canvas businesses. It's very unfortunate, and a lot of people are losing their jobs, they're losing their life savings, they're losing their farms. And there's a lot of different issues, so overtax and over regulation, more implementation of things that need to be done. One of them was a $50,000 bond. Geez, there's so if you don't get a $50,000 insurance bond, you're not allowed to operate. And here's the thing, when we're talking about small businesses, a lot of these people are operating, operating with razor, thin margins. These are, like, family owned and operated. You know, the people who are, you know, cultivating the weed, are counting pavement and selling the weed, and they're doing, running these businesses entirely themselves, and so just small increases in fines and revenues and this and that could be a potentially the straw that breaks the proverbial camels back, right? And in this situation, there's that bond, but also there's something called a certificate of compliance, right? Which you you were able to start up a business in Oklahoma, and they don't enforce a certificate of compliance. There's only four counties that that do that in the whole state, and it's because Oklahoma City, Tulsa, and then these other two there. Where everywhere else is rural, right? And so coding and zoning offices don't it don't exist. And a good example for this is, if I was to buy a piece of property out in the country and I wanted to build, you know, foundation and put a house up, I don't need to go pull permits. I don't need to go get in fact, I couldn't pull permits because there's no coding enforcement zoning offices in those rural

areas, right? It's all unincorporated Oklahoma.

It's and essentially, you know, people have businesses, whether it's a restaurant or a gas station, a veterinary clinic, people are running and operating legal businesses in the state. And so what's happened is, you know, there's 1000s, 1000s and 1000s of businesses that are operating in areas of the state that aren't necessarily, that aren't, you know, populated like Oklahoma City and Tulsa. It's not like that, right? So these people are trying to become compliant for the regulations that they're saying, hey, everybody now has to have a COO, but they know that they can't get one, or it's extremely difficult, because the legislators know that those offices don't exist. And so they take these different strategic ways that they can eliminate people out of out of the playing field. You know,

I've never seen anything like this Brandon. Look, it's always

in the case of safety, right? Safety, safety, this, right? We needed that. And here's the thing, okay, so people are trying to get these coos, but they can't. And so it's falls on the State Fire Marshal. And there's two state fire marshals for the whole state, right? And so the Oh, MMA is saying, Okay, now it's their responsibility. Here you go. You guys deal with it. They have the State Fire Marshal, they can inspect each probably about three or four businesses a day, right? And that's not talking about Canvas businesses. These are businesses that are whether they're restaurants or whatever, right? And so the State Farm marshals, who are normally operating, you know, industrial areas and rural areas in the cities and stuff are now having to go out to the countryside to go inspect all these different things. You know, these different styles of growth, some of them are not, don't need, shouldn't even have to have coo because they're fucking greenhouses that are literally on prop that they're greenhouses. People are growing in fucking greenhouses. No fucking lights, nothing in there, needing a certificate of occupancy, right? They could never get not in a fucking building. That's crazy,

dude. And they're in this part in Oklahoma that doesn't even have an office to register

it. Yeah. And so the state fire marshal is like, I don't know what to do in this situation. So they don't, they're not approving people. And not only that, we're talking about each fire marshal can do 2200 businesses in one year. There's over 6000 cannabis businesses. And we're not talking they can do, I'm not saying they can do 2200 cannabis businesses. That's just all of the businesses in the state combined. Yeah, that's right. That's crazy. Show everybody's fucking pissed off. And then they sent out a letter that said, basically, if you're not in compliance, you have 30 days to file a fucking court notice to file, you know, whatever, or we're pulling your license. And basically

it's the craziest thing I've ever seen Brandon. I've seen other states want to claw back their cannabis programs, right? We heard about it in Montana. We've seen it in other like counties, for instance, in like California, but I've never seen this. This is legal checkmate to put, like you said, mom and pop businesses out of business, to bankrupt these families.

Here's the thing, dude, work, people are getting pissed. If I can rally people, if I can get people in this building and fucking that are get get them fucking angry enough to fucking take action, it's our fucking civic responsibility to be up at these fucking like, look, it fucking sucks because you're talking to a multiple convicted felon and I can't even fucking vote. I shouldn't be the one leading the fucking chart. I don't even have any voting rights. Okay? Every American should be doing their civic fucking duty, which means crack, which means having a firearm, practicing firearm safety, learning how to fucking shoot, doing your civic duties, to hold fucking legislators responsible, to hold the fucking valid calendars, hold the ball. Like we all, if we're all in on this, like all 100% like we have to be fucking active this thing. They're not teaching civics in schools anymore. So nobody's fucking getting civically, civically involved, right? Don't get more fucking hate politics. But it's not really not hate politics. I just hate the type of people that come into politics. Because you know that the only reason that they're there is to try to manipulate the system in their own advantage. You look at nine times out of 10 they're not there to help fucking people. That's true.

I completely agree. Brandon, and you're right. It falls onto someone who's willing to take action. And it's never been, there's never been a harder time. To get people interested. Everybody's distracted with their phones. Nobody gives a fuck. It's absolutely true, and you have to try to make an impact on this local level, because otherwise it's completely unfair. I my jaw drops when you tell me this story. It's like they will take a mile. They don't give a flying crap. They will put the entire industry out of business. They don't care whose mom and pop businesses they shut down like someone has to stand up and do something, because these people are essentially ruthless.

Yeah, so we're fucking getting fed up, man, and that's like we what we need is fucking 10s of 1000s of people to show up and be like, oh shit. These motherfuckers are serious. You know? Yeah. I

mean, that's the if you don't have lobbying power, the only other power you really have is power of the people, right? Power of what's the word I'm looking for? You know, basically during the Vietnam wars, this became a big deal, which is basically the power of the opinion of the people. Where can people rally behind you? Brandon, do you recommend they just follow your Instagram? I do see you putting out like PSAs and emergency meetings on there. Is that the best place to stay up to date? I

mean, look, you can come and show up to these meetings. I'm not like I'm just facilitating a place. That's all I'm doing for people to come out and voice their opinions, and maybe, you know, the lawyers are going to show up and the people that are better at this shit. But here's my thing, I don't understand how any of this is lawful. I can understand the legal, legal side of it, legal, but legal and constitutional law like we're operating under statutory jurisdiction, and I don't fucking understand how this works. I wish somebody would explain it to me, because under the Constitution we have common law, maritime Adam Admiralty and equity law, and we're operating in some weird fucking like maritime equity that has criminal fucking penalties for contracts that have never been fucking signed, right? Like I could go fucking jail for. Let me give you an example, I could go to jail for, let's say, not having a fucking license. Yeah, right, but there's no fucking crime and I don't have a fucking contract with the state. How

can you? How can you be punished by violating a contract that you were never a party to, and in fact, that they themselves had different conditions. When you started your business, they switched up the conditions, right? You never agreed to that contract. Yeah, you're beholden to it. It's crazy, dude. It's guilty until proven innocent. Honestly, that's how they're treating the cannabis industry right

now, I just don't know how any of our legal system is operating. I think at the whole statutory thing is unconstitutional. I just don't get it because I thought we were supposed to operate under common law. And common law is like, there has to be a victim to be there to be a crime, right? If there's no victim or there's no no one being harmed, then how can someone be prosecuted for anything, for a wrongdoing? Because in the sense, in I mean, logically, a wrongdoing would have to intend that there's some type of victim, right? Yep,

100% this has just been a bait and switch. And switch. And like I said, I've never seen anything like this. Brandon, like people have clawed back programs before. And hey, we don't want so many dispensaries. We're gonna put a moratorium. We're gonna do this. We're gonna do that. No one's like, mafia style, extorted the businesses to close. That's crazy. You got 30 days, like, come into your shop and bust it up and say you got 30 days. That's some Tony Soprano stuff. Man, it's

pretty wild, man. So Oklahoma, I hope you guys are pissed. If you guys are hearing this, and look at this is gonna air after we have our meeting tomorrow night, but you can still follow along and look, I don't like politics. I'm just doing and I don't even have any skin in the game. I don't have a license. You know what I mean? I'm not. I have I grow at home. I have my little home grow, right? And I'm cool with that. I got enough weed to support me and my family's fucking smoking habit.

But I see what you're saying, Man, someone's got to step up and do something. And at least we have, like you said, at least you're putting on these meetings. We do have a space the Bucha earthworks. HQ, everybody should follow rust dot Brandon on Instagram, especially if you're in Oklahoma. But go ahead and give that account a follow either way. I just wanted to open the show with that little PSA man, it's absolutely baffling what's going on in Oklahoma. Someone's got to step up. Someone's got to counter Sue. They're so tied down in red tape and bureaucracy, the last thing they want is a lawsuit. They're going to keep pushing and pushing and pushing until they get one. And like I said, I do believe they are ruthless. I don't think they'll stop until they hit an opposing force. So, you know, good on you for doing anything, man, even if you're just getting people together, getting people fired up, like up, like you said, hopefully some, hopefully some lawyers will step up and and contact someone like you and say, How can we move this forward? Maybe a class action lawsuit, like you said, there's never been a more appropriate time for a class action cannabis cultivation lawsuit. In my opinion, I've never seen a more appropriate time than right now.

Yeah, I think that there needs to something needs to happen. I think the Bureau of Narcotics doesn't even need to be handling this there, under the assumption that these things are narcotics are it's like, Dude, give it a fucking rest already. Dude, for fucking 10s of 1000s of fucking years, okay, it grows out of the fucking ground, like, stop it, stop the shit. And be like, come on, intruder. Enough is, can we be adults? Finally, I

like your attitude, man. And basically your your kind of personal responsibility, self sustainability approach. It goes right along with your work in regenerative agriculture and everything like that. So we got, we've got to protect these businesses, and maybe more importantly, protect our right to grow at home. And like you said, maintain that this is a plant, you know, stop treating it like a god dang pharmaceutical.

They've shut down all these mom and pop shops, and then the only people that are operating are fucking MSOs and big money business. And then they get together like, Oh, we're not making enough money because they're growing lead at home. And then they come after all the fucking homegrown right? And our community has already shrunk because all the mom and pop businesses are gone out of business. And then, and then this, the community shrinks, and then it gets harder to fight. It is

a slippery slope, and we need to create as many home growers now as we can. I suspect we have about eight years to create as many home growers as we can. That's my super uneducated estimate. Well, listen, man, keep fighting the good fight. I'm going to be back there in Oklahoma to visit as soon as I get back to the mainland. As soon as the cultivators Cup is over, I'm going to pop down there see all my good friends. Hopefully we can stop and smoke a joint together Brandon, that would be awesome. But talk to me about some talk to me about some happier stuff. Let's, let's move on to our second subject here breeding.

You're working on breeding right now, always doing something with the line the lime are. So that's something that's been in my stable for a really long time. Very chirpy strain. It's got notes of sour and soapy perfume. Cam, wow, and lime peel, and it's great. Where are

you at with this line? Are you? Are you putting it into further filial generations? Are you crossing it with things? What does that look like?

Well, so I took the the original cut that was used for the s1 the very first time it was a thing. It was a s1 was a Herm blue on black lime reserve. I took those seeds. It was a project that an old man was it was his first grow. And the guy that was showing him how to do it like, bailed out and halfway, like, halfway through, and I went and got them, like, you know, I was like, Look, dude, these things are Herman. But let's get you fixed up. You're going to have seeds in your weed. But used to smoke and mix can weed anyway. So no, you'll have good weed. We'll finish this. We'll help you finish this. Run out and get you set up proper next time, this was back in 2000 and I think, like 15 or so. So, you know, that's what happened. He harvested the weed. Was great. I took a bunch of it, pulled out the seeds, and I was already cultivating at the time, because, you know, I've been cultivating for forever, and I was doing a bunch of fino hunts anyway. And I was like, oh, pop these seeds. And I started hunting through that shit. And I started finding all kinds of rad stuff. And then I ended up s doing it. I found a cut that I really liked out of there that I've been using for breeding, and then I've used the f2 and the F ones in different breeding projects, but that was always a s, like a s version. It was a reversal. So in 2000 and I think 19 Jackson Mean Gene, Mean Gene from Mendocino, from freeborn selection. Oh, nice, yeah. We played part in the black lime special reserve. He gave me a bunch of BLR seeds. He gave me a bunch of black lime seeds, like 70 of them, of the original f ones that he had, and I hunted through those in two, 2001 No, I mean 2021, and I f2 it. I found the best female out of the bunch, even though the female that I found wasn't something that I would ever keep in production or think was like anything of a special plan. I just didn't find a really great, great female out of that line. But I did find a spectacular male, and that's what I I use that BLR to cross back onto the original gorilla glue that I've been holding on for seven for, since 2013 since I got which was also what was originally in in the old old man garden.

So you took that black lime reserve and brought it back in, yeah, so I

took that mail that I hunted out that I've been using on a lot of other projects, because I have, like, the white truffle times, black lime reserve, bicker G black lime reserve, I have an unreleased platinum. Gucci times black lime reserve, I did all the star five times black lime river reserve, I did the gas v2, f2, times black lime reserve, we did the purple punch times black lung reserve, there was the blueberry Mac muffin times black lime reserve, there was just a shit load by black lime reserve. And I was like, You know what? I'm gonna do an f1 I'm gonna go back to the very beginning and do lime all over. Start with the Gorilla Glue, but use this male selection of the black lime reserve to do a rag version a reg line of it, so I can really work that line.

Nice, man. That's fantastic. What was your favorite cross of those, though? Like, did you that white truffle? Sounds amazing? Times, black lime reserve, what was your favorite personal cross that you've made off of that? BLR,

probably the black light.

Oh, the lime. Is that the limelight cross to black lime reserve, yes. Like, lime, don't you? Brandon,

so that one is Lima across the Mac v2 across the black lime reserve, got

it. So bring some of that Mac in there. Yeah, we had a Limelight that was absolutely beautiful floating around the Grow cast community in Oklahoma. Gorgeous, gorgeous plant. Man, really, really beautiful grower, beautiful structure. What is that? What is that black light taste like and smell like? What was, what's the

profile? It's got that soapy cam. It's got that soapy cam with, like, the heavy lime peel in it. It takes the limo real. It takes on a big thing. But you get a lot of if you get a Mac lining fino, you'll get, like, more of like, anise. See some citrus on the lime peel.

Nice, nice. I was taking a little dab of my seahorse there. Yeah. Man, that sounds incredible. The the lime work. Are you like, a big lime fan in real life? Why lime? I guess, is it more about the effects. Do you love that flavor? Why lime?

Well, if you actually were to come and, like, smell these things while they're growing, and stuff like that. It's not, so it's not really like lime, like you think it is. It's got that lime peel must, but it's more like an earthy,

sour so it's more complex than just lime.

Yeah, it's really, it's really the cam that's coming out, bro, like my breeder cut when you smell it, dude, it smells like, it doesn't smell like Jack, right? It doesn't have Pine Sol Terps like that. This has a very fragrant, sweet, funky perfume, but it smells like it's so like, Oh, that's a cleaner. Like, that's so like, if you were to smell it and you weren't looking at it, you would be like, Oh, that's fucking soap. Wow, but it, it's not so it's got this pungent soap thing going on. But it's Kimmy, dude, it's super Kimmy. Like, if you know, like, what Kim is, dude, it's just got that fucking cam in it, you know? Or it's just where the cam basically, like, enhances all the other notes, you know what I mean, where like, instead of smelling like, if you had a blueberry cam, right? Instead of just smelling like, Oh, it smells like a fruity blueberry. It's like, damn it, the came in, it will kick it up a notch, and it'll put some fucking stank on it, right? Yeah, that sounds amazing, man. It's just that's how they all are. They're they just have that, that nasty, fucking acrid, pungent, noxious, toxic type smell. But check this out. Check this out. So I was hunting through because I'm also doing so that's a project that I have right now. I already finished that limarilla project, right, right? And I still haven't pulled all the seeds out of the weed yet, like I haven't separated everything, but I have pulled enough seeds to start testing the variety. So I'm going to be testing that f1 limarilla probably going to flower in a couple weeks, maybe a week, maybe a week and a half, perfect. And then I'm also working on the blueberry trade map, ah, to do f3 generation, and I have a potential candidate, but I found something in there while I was hunting that I didn't expect. And it's unlike the it's the bud looks like Mac v2 however, it smells like road kill skunk, though. Wow, it legitimately, it's that. It's that super acrid, pungent. It's not pine, it's not lemon, it's not citrus. It's distinctly like that perfumey skunk. And it what it's really weird is whenever I pull like a fan leaf off of it, off of the plant, the fucking SAP dude and and even just the the touch of the plant, it has that really accurate, acrid smell. Whoa, that's wild. Usually SAP is, like, sweet, no, and it's so I'm kind. Of I'm interested in this because as it's growing, I get the train wreck, right? I get the train wreck. But there's this thing in there too that is distinctly like where mine, mine would go if I was thinking about what we'd smelled like if I had never smelled weed.

Geez, man, that's a quite a review. There. You found the road kill skunk in your blueberry tramac. So this was a unique Pheno. You were just popping a bunch of seeds, and this one smells totally different than any other thing you've seen come out of that line. Is that fair to say?

I was doing smell tests at like, day 30, and I was killed off most of the clones. I was like, yeah, not this one. I don't like this one. Don't like this one. It's just and then I had one of them in there that was just shiny, bro, shiny. It looked like it was snow, and it had all the crinkle leaf. It was so crinkle leaf because of the Trichome coverage, yeah? And, okay, this one's got that sweetness to it. It's got the train wreck, but it's not distinctly blueberry. We'll see how it develops. So I kept that one, and I also kept that 1112, and 1111, and 1212. Is the skunky one. Wow, I'm gonna, I'm gonna harvest, you know, that plant, maybe in 30 days or so, after I've done cured it and everything, I will be able to judge whether it kept whatever that is that I'm smelling. If it is, I probably hit the goddamn jackpot. But if not, if it doesn't cheer out like that, then it's just whatever. Maybe I could find one that does, because I still got more seats, yeah,

or maybe work it. Man, that's really cool, though. That's That's why you got to do the Pheno hunt. That's why you got to do the Pheno hunt. Now, your blends, you know, you've got a lot of different strains that I would consider some old school stuff in there. For me, train wreck is an old school strain. I'm sure there's some old heads who would disagree with that, listening to the show right now, you know. But for me, train wreck is like an old school classic strain. I know you've worked with like Afghan work in the past, and even like the black line Reserve and the lineage there. I want to get your opinion of this brand, and you've been smoking and enjoying as a connoisseur for a long time. What do you think of this idea that modern strains, the ones that are the hype ones now that are being passed around, and not that they're inherently worse than old strains, but there's something that's different, and maybe something that the old heads find is missing from these new school strains that the old school ones seemed to have. Do you agree with that sentiment? Or do you think that's just nostalgia?

Yeah, the highs watered down. The effect is what you're saying. Here's the thing, right? I was thinking about when I first started smoking weed and I was smoking swag. No doubt about it. You know, I knew I was fucking I knew I was smoking swag because I knew that fucking chronic existed. I was just getting but all that swag, all that Mexican brick weed that used to cross from the border down in San Diego and shit, well, that's not a thing anymore. And now the new schwag is a prettier version, you know, less seeds, sometimes with less seeds, you know. So it's like we still got lots of fucking swag. It's just changed, and it's evolved. Right now it's got a prettier face on it, and that's all it is. It's a fucking pretty face, you know, it's, it's empty. You know, here's the thing everybody is wanting, like candy, gas runs, Gelatos, but like, when you smoke things that are not those you're getting, I'm getting a way different effect. You know, look sour cheeseberry in a fucking like, I'm stoned, like, stone, stone, and not just high for like, 30 minutes, but I'm like, Damn dude, this is some good ass fucking weed. Is like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing right

now, stoned to the bone, essentially. Yeah,

you smoke that Afghani bore rider, and it's like, okay, well, it's time to go to fucking sleep. Yeah?

Dude, that's what's up. That's my type of weed, right there. Brandon, make my eyelids heavy. Yeah,

I've got different weed that has no cookies in it. Right? Gorilla Glue, right? Gorilla Glue hit the scene. And it was a competitor amongst everything, you know what I mean, it went up against cushes, the OGS, the fucking sunset, sherbs, all of that shit. And it was fucking taking cups left and right, you know what I mean, and that's all fucking Kims and and a fucking tie. Yep, that's

right, man. And what do you attribute that to? Do you think people have been selecting with their eyes? Do you think that cookies has really I asked on my member live stream for the Grow cast members what the worst strain in the world was. And by the way, let me be clear, this is all opinion. It. It was like a joke, right? Like, what's the worst strain in the world? A lot of people said Girl Scout cookies, man. Like, a shocking amount of people in chat said Girl Scout cookies is the worst strain in

the world. Girl Scout Cookies was actually really great. That's what I think. Forum cut. We ran that forum cut, but look at Girl Scout Cookie was like, considered, like an exotic right? It wasn't. It was super fucking pretty. It was, like, real hyped up people, like, the way it tastes and shit, just finicky. But again, it wasn't a huge yielder. It was like, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't a fucking growers like, wet dream. You know what? I mean? True. It was. So the growers that got it, they used it in more than anything, because they were like, oh, I want to pass on these really beautiful colors and these characteristics, but I want to add something to it, you know what I mean? But it's sold. It had good sell through. He ran that shit for, you know, a couple of years, and it just started to transform. It was like Cookies, cookies, cookies and everything was, is, is more visual, which I get dude? Everybody wants to see beautiful fucking weed, but like sour cheese, Berry, Sour Diesel, UK cheese, train wreck, blueberry, all old school shit looks fantastic. It's got great color. It tests between 24 and 29% THC, between three and a half and four and a half. Terps, yeah, you know, it's a competitor, and it's got none of that stuff in there. It's just, I think that the market and the in the appeal that came with the marketing for those types of varieties, you know, people ride that, you know, and it's like, I don't, I don't even know if, if my hat really has any cookies in it, right? White truffle. I don't know. That's

a good point. I think that that did influence a lot of the gene pool, and, like you said, the Instagram selections, right? Stuff that's really, really pretty, above all else, I don't know. I just see, like you mentioned, mean, Gene Right? Like, that's, this seems like a guy who, I don't want to speak for anybody, but seems like a guy who might put something like effect and like Nuance above visuals, whereas other breeders would not be doing that. So

everybody's trying to have something that that runs on, on all of those things, you know true. Check all the boxes. They want to check, all the boxes, but the but the thing is, it's like, I'm fucking running through all kinds of shit all the time, and I'm like, Yeah, this is good, but I'm gonna probably have to grow fucking more of these to get the right one right.

No, that's true. Finding one that checks all the boxes is extremely rare. There's always one thing missing, man, like, you'll get so excited because it looks so good and it's reeking on the plant and it reeks, and then you smoke it and the flavor just isn't there. And you're like, god damn it. You know what I mean, it seems like there's always one box that's left unchecked. Very rarely do I see all the boxes ticked.

You know, we just, I'm working on that blueberry train back line. And my favorite smoke of all time is that train wreck blueberry that my OG homie and mine made. And he just told me he has original seeds of that. So I'm gonna try to see if I can get the original seed. Damn.

You like that train wreck? What about it? What about that strain? Why? Why do you like it the best?

It's the blueberry train wreck combination, because the cut that he selected that we grew out for years, it was this. It was, have you ever had blueberry pot, uh, blueberry lemon pie? I don't think so. Have you ever had the flavor combination of blueberry and lemon? Oh, yeah. So they pair really, really well, yeah, so not the terpene profile, but the palette, the palatability, they, they it just tastes great. The high is fucking fantastic, because that train wrecks got that haze in it, bro. And it's super a mentally stimulating high. But it's also beautiful. It's a great is a fucking great variety, man. And we lost that. But Marcus had also crossed MK he found a really nice MK Ultra male, and he crossed that into everything he had at the time. And he gave me a bunch of those seeds too. So I have, right now, I have skunk one MK Ultra. No, it's blueberry skunk one MK Ultra. I've got PK, MK Ultras going. I've got a bunch of blueberry Romulan MK Ultra. Got a bunch of crosses that I'm going to pop during this year. Man,

that MK Ultra, that one was just a blast from the past. You just said that's one that's hugely underrepresented. Modern

crosses from, honestly, I think that's where this thing is coming because I've seen it pop up. I've seen it pop up before, right? And I've seen it like, oh, it's like, kind of rare in the line, but I keep seeing it pop up and I've seen it pop up in the other MK Ultra crosses from previous Geno hunts, wow. But I found one right now that. Like, Oh, shit. This is, like, this is it I wanted, you know, so it's in there. I'm just going to try to find that. And it might have something to do with the because MK Ultra is OG and G 13. Oh, that

makes perfect sense. That no wonder I like it so much that man, that was good weed back in humble in the 20 in the 20

teens. Yeah, older genetics in there. We'll see, we'll see how everything plays out. Man, yeah.

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I'd like to see the PK that I used to run. I I'd love to get a cut of that back. You know what I'd like to see I don't, and which I don't see very often, is, why isn't anybody running like Jack? You know, that is true. It's such a good profile. A lot of people hate on Jack TURP, but it's like, they're like, Oh, it's too generic. Or it's like, it's like, Oh man, it's, it's fucking awesome, because it's pungent, it's loud, like people like that. You know, I

feel like Jack was widely represented, and then just kind of stopped, like you said, I feel like no one's working it right now, in particular, I'm sure someone is out there, but like, yeah, there's a lot of good crosses, Jack, the Ripper, a cracker jack, all these different crosses. And then now I feel like no one's working

it. The j1 was really fucking good j1 I'm not familiar with that one. That was the jack skunk one. Oh, nice. Those. That's some old school stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's great, man. But I'm working on, I'm going to be I actually need to get a kind of, not a contract, but proposal together, because I had mama Wolf, who is yellow wolfs. He's not, I don't know if you're familiar with who that is, but he's a, he's an a rapper. Yeah,

absolutely. You're going to do a collaboration with him, right? Like a cannabis collab, or are you rapping, hopefully both?

Yeah. So I spoke to his attorney just two days ago, the initial first call, and he's an old head. He's an old dead head, which was great, because he's, he's in his 70s, but he's been in the music business his whole life, and he ended up, it's funny, because mama Wolf, who that's, that's the brand. It's called mama Wolf. It's yellow moms, like she's, you know, putting the whole thing together, right? And she reached out so. Or what the idea is going to be like this, I'm going to create the genetics for for the, you know, Mama wolf American Kush, or whatever. It's called mama wolf cush brand. And so we'll have a couple of varieties that I'm that I've essentially bred. And so she's looking for something that's like, Great flavored. And then we'll look at other options as well. And essentially what it will be is it'll be a co branding, marketing, distribution play kind of so like farm. And I work with farms already all over the whole us, right? And so if there's a farm, let's say I'm working with a farm in Michigan, and they want to hop on board to where, you know, they're going to have a, basically a marketing machine pushing their product. So that way they can essentially have product pre sold, or not pre sold, I would say. But like, the way that it would work was they be growing out the the variety, and then it would be a branding and marketing where we're, like, pushing the the the brand Mama was Kush with, you know, whatever, Red Dirt raised farm or whatever, you know, and it's a co branding to help drive sales into distribution. And then the the marketing company would essentially get paid for X amount on every pound that's sold. And you can check all that through like metrics and shit

like that. Well, that's a big deal, man, that's, uh, that's really cool that you're doing a collab like that. You know, break it into the mainstream.

Well, see, I think what it'll allow to do is I can work with independent owner operators that don't necessarily have big marketing budgets, big marketing machines, or have large distribution companies that that they can work with. But if you have a company, or, you know, someone who has millions of followers that are able to push the product and say, Hey, look at this. Is a really high quality product. It's an organic product growing a, you know, at an organic farm in Oklahoma or Michigan or New Jersey or Hawaii, you know, wherever it's at, it can help increase the visibility of that farm and help drive their sales. And it's basically, instead of like the marketing company having to have an actual license, they just take a very small percentage of the sales on that particular variety, you know, for helping push the brand, yeah,

so it's going to be like a multi state, but collaborating with small farmers, medium farmers, farmers of all sizes, and then putting that different brand on the bag, depending on where it is, makes sense. That makes a lot of sense, man, are we gonna see you on his next album? Is my question. That would be impressive.

That would be impressive.

Well, I love it, man, I absolutely love it. I follow Bucha earth works. Of course, you can go to Bucha earthworks.com see everything. Brandon is up to code. Grow cast works, by the way, on Bucha earth works 10% off, and of course, members getting an even deeper discount. Grow cast members at grow cast podcast.com/membership, we have been using your products Brandon, and they work well, let me tell you, I have found that putting a beginner into an Earth Box is a really, really easy way to help them succeed and have a successful first harvest. And then if they want to branch out from there and do something else, right, get into a bed, or do some sort of deep water culture or something like that. That's great, but, yeah, I want to give them something really, really easy their first time, so they get a successful harvest and they don't have a failed first run and then never grow again, right? That's mission failed for Jordan River. So these Earth boxes worth great. And I, I went ahead and put, well, first of all, thank you. I put your soil in that earth box, and then I started putting your liquid products on that earth box. And Holy crow, man, that thing is, first of all, it takes care of itself. The growth rates are explosive, and the nutrient balance looks perfect. Not only is it like green and praying, I don't see like the tiniest purple streaks. I don't see the tiniest nitrogen claw from toxicity. Really, really good stuff. Man. I don't want to blow too much smoke, but it was very impressive to see your soil running in an Earth Box with your nutrients. Great. Yeah,

dude, the Humans are incredible, man. I mean, I'm the more that I work with them and do different trials and different medias, the more I'm actually impressed, and I already know what to expect. But it's it's really impressive because they have greater efficiency than than synthetic nutrients, they work better than salts, and that's why you're not feeding them all the time, is they're so efficient. Like for me, I will have done a total of three feedings with the humate in flour. I did one right when I transplanted of the complex, I did another one. And. At week four of flower. No, I did another one at week three, a flower. And then I just did, like, half strength one a couple of days ago, at week five, week

five. So that's like, right at transplant, and then kind of at the when the buds are finished setting, and then midway through bulk, you just hit them with a little extra juice. And that was it for the whole

flower run, yeah, because my soil is really sufficient, you know, as long as you're giving them adequate calcium levels, that's one of the big things too. You know, having that, that calcium all the way through flower, it just, it helps everything, dude. Yeah, that's usually the calcium silica. I

use the calcium in my outdoor garden, my outdoor veggie garden, and huge turnaround on the heat resistance that was that I was dealing with, like massive, massive temperatures, and that calcil really seemed to help. But, yeah, you're right. It seems like calcium gets chewed through in the soil, and not even so much that, like people show a bad calcium deficiency in their plant, but when they do add more calcium, they see these huge benefits. Can you speak to that? Yeah, so

calcium, from what I'm seeing on numbers on data, it's about two to one nitrogen ratio. So a lot of times people think nitrogen is the most used thing for a plant, and it's actually about 100% the more nitrogen is used. So if you were running, you know, 100 ppm of night nitrate in your soil solution, you would want to be running around 200 ppm of calcium in your solution. Yeah, it's a macronutrient for cannabis, for sure, even though it's considered a secondary nutrient and you need it all the way through, you're going to have you're going to have a greater benefit if you just keep pumping them with that calcium. And that's dude, dude. It's crazy, because I was originally using the calcium silica just to to adjust pH, but I started hitting it frequently throughout. Instead of just doing all at once in the beginning, which I do, I reset if I need to adjust pH, I use it to adjust pH, but I also hit it throughout, and it's just night and day difference, dude, that house is still awesome. And we we go through a shit load of it. People love this stuff, man.

Well, we need our calcium that's not attached to something like nitrogen, like you said, How are we going to achieve those nitrogen ratios? If we're using calcium nitrate, we're constantly bringing that nitrogen up with it, which is not a good thing, for instance, in flour, like you said. So calcil, you know, even people use calcium sulfate, people seem to be getting wise to this and putting a lot of calcium in their soil during flower especially,

yep, you need that calcium and you need that phosphorus. So your

your humate products. I want to talk for just a second about the carbon in them. We hear this term thrown around all the time. Carbon based nutrients is loaded with carbon, humix fulvix, carbon, carbon, carbon. Yep. I'm wondering how these products are different from one another, how products like humic acids compared to your humate fertilizers may differ from each other. Because I hear they come from different sources, and some come from sea beds and lake beds. Some others come from leonardite some have, like natural nitrogen in them. Others are like processed where the nitrogen falls out, so there shouldn't be any nitrogen. Can you just talk about humic and humic products on the shelves and what the differences are? Yeah, so

a lot of, not all, but a lot of the products that are powdered or granulated and marketed as humic and or fulvic acid are usually derived from Leonard night. It'll say that on the thing, what Leonard night is, it's oxidized lignite coal, which is what we also make the humate fertilizer out of however, when you go to first of all, there's lignite. There's billions and billions of tons of this stuff all over the US. It's literally fucking everywhere. It's abundant in the US. There's so goddamn much of it. It's retarded. I love it. So you can go to New Mexico. Corner of New Mexico is where most of the stuff is being pulled from, and because it's just sitting right on the surface, it's just oxidized lignite, so it's got high oxygen, carbon, hydrogen content. Now what this is, this material is organic, mineralized rock. So, essentially canopies of herbaceous plants broke down. They had, you know, time in the ground to mineralize and essentially petrified. And so stored within this material is often. Times mineral nutrients. Now they're totally unavailable, like, you cannot access them, even if you, uh, crushed it up. It would take, you know, decades. Yeah, it would take years, right, for the nutrient ions to be liberated. I mean, you could micronize them down to, like, 200 mesh to where it's like, soluble, where it's where you're saying it's soluble, but you're still not extracting it. And what happens is this organic mineral has a lot of different stuff in it. Okay? It does have carboxylic acid groupings, which are the basis for humic and fulvic acids, right? But it's also got ethers, esters, it's got hydroxyl groups, it's got methyl groups, it's got sulfides, it's got it's got all these different chemical compounds and and it's got things like calcium, magnesium, iron, zine, phosphorus, minerals. It's got all the stuff that plants have, you know as but it's all trapped in to these, like mineral lattices. Now a lot of companies, what they'll do is they'll take this, these giant rock lignites, and they'll and they'll crush them up, and then they'll put it in a package, and they'll say, Hey, this is, you know, humic and fulvic acids. And while that material may contain humic and fulvic acids, it's not going to do what they would advertise. So fulvic acid as advertised. What it does is it acts as a fuel source for microbes. So it acts as energy for microbes. It also acts to carbon chelate different elements, where it can hold on to those elements, those nutrient ions, in a bio available form for the plant. And it decreases precipitation reactions between ions or salts, like if you had phosphorus and calcium in solution, they could potentially bond together at a high pH. But if the calcium is attached to fulvic acid, you know it's going to stop that precipitation reaction from occurring. And so fulvic acid has all of these benefits. Humic acid, on the other hand, is a larger molecule. Oh, yeah, fulvic acid. Let me step back. Fulvic Acid also neutralizes the charges of ions, that allows for passive diffusion across the cellular membranes of plants. So what essentially will happen is you can think of a plant in the SAP, in a plant like a battery, where it's taking up positive cations like potassium, calcium, magnesium, ammonium, zinc, iron, manganese, copper, all those things have a positive charge, right? And what happens is you can't indefinitely charge a battery, right? If you kept trying to pump charge into a battery, eventually that battery is going to explode, right? So what the plant literally does is it pumps out these protons, these hydrogen ions, to basically level out that charge. And then also, one of the things that can happen is whenever the plant is taking up a negatively charged ion like phosphate, sulfate, nitrate, silica, and to a lesser degree, molybdenum and boron, it balances that that internal charge, right? Because it's essentially taking away some of that charge. But those charge mechanics function a little bit differently when they're being passively transported through the use of fulvic acid, chelate, chelation. Less

work the plant has to do is that a layman's way to put it exactly,

because the plant has to expand energy to either move move something along a cause a higher concentration gradient. So if there is more of positive charge in the plant itself, and to take in more charge, it's going to have to expend energy, right? It has to release energy in some form to be able to get that in right. So the plant does that through several different mechanisms. You know, it dumps protons. Sometimes it'll dump different types of ions, sodium, potassium, hydrogen. It dumps the diophores. It dumps carbon compounds to help with patent passive transport. Does all these different fucking crazy ass shit, but the

humic acids take takes care of that, which points to that relationship between these compounds and plants, right? I mean, this is these are relationships that have been around for hundreds of millions of years. These types of acids, yeah, they've co evolved together

because we're talking about organic matter, we're talking about carbon we're talking about things that are carbon based, and these carbon based chemicals facilitate all of these different nutrient uptakes and all these other different processes. So humic acid, on the other hand, it's better. It's a larger size molecule. It can doesn't act as a food source for microbes, but it can house them. It's a larger substrate. It can also help with water retention, which also will help with soil structure. It's a larger molecule. So again, soil structure, water retention, housing of microbes, tons of benefits, and it can also help increase EC of the soil. But they function differently, you know, and to really get the actual benefit of real humic and formic acid, they actually have to be extracted out of that lignite. And to do that, what has to be done? You have to micronize it down to 200 mesh, which is enough to cover a square miles surface of a square mile in atoms. It's a very, very fine mesh. And then what happens is it's reacted. And in this case, what we'll do is we use potassium potassium hydroxide, because that's going to increase the pH and solubilize all of those things. It's going to all that micronized stuff is going to in. It has all that surface area for the reactivity for that alkaline solution to basically do work. It'll do work. It'll dissolve all of those things. So all the ions that are trapped in these mineral matrixes, they all get released, right? And then what happens is you ended up with a fractionated product where you have what's called humane which is all the junk, esters, esters, sulfides, all these other sulfur compounds, they all drop out of solution because they're not soluble at these really high PHS. However, humic and fulvic acid are soluble at those high PHS, and then also the potassium from the potassium hydroxide, because, again, this is a pure potassium solution. It's very caustic because it's incredibly alkaline. Now that ends up becoming part of the fertilizer itself. It bonds with the fulvic acid groups during another part of this process. But what happens is we first make the solution alkaline, and then it goes to another process where we introduce potassium phosphoric acid. And phosphoric acid has phosphorus molecules, but it's just phosphorus in its pure form, and it's acidic. And what that does is it drops the solution. So what ends up happening is the fulbric acid is soluble in both high and low PHS, but the but the humic acid is only soluble in alkaline solution, so when it starts to get acidic, it separates out from the fulvic acid. At this point, we have a separated solution of humic and fulvic acids that can then be catalyzed and reacted that fulvic acid can be reacted with the humic and fulvic acid. And the fulvic acid in these containers, it causes an endothermic reaction that's encapsulated and it charges up all of the electron groups that are associated with the carboxyl fulvic acid molecules, and it essentially attaches all of the cations that were in that solution, the potassium, the nitrogen that came from that solution, the phosphorus, the iron, the zinc, the manganese, the calcium, the magnesium, everything that was in that mineral, in that starting mineral can be reconstituted back into the fertilizer to create carbon chelated, completely carbon chelated molecules, right? So, instead of being, instead of being like a salt, like because what happened is, normally, when you put all these ions together, like phosphorus and calcium, it would bind together to create calcium phosphate or ammonium or calcium nitrate, right? If you had nitrate and calcium, they form, or if you had sulfate and calcium, they would form calcium sulfate, or any of these other things, they potentially precipitate into these, these other forms when you have these ions, but these ions are basically attached to fulvic acid group pieces. So that's the difference between ours, wow. Look, we're a synthetically created product, but we're completely organic in the fact that it is all carbon based. And here's the kicker, though, we take less energy and less resource to manufacture our product than any other product on the market, right? There's the reason why, because that midnight source, that is what the the fertilizer comes from. Instead of having to source different elements from different locations around the country, we're just pulling from the lignite. And the lignite is very, very inexpensive. It's not, it's it's all over the country, and you're just using a reaction process. You're just using, like an acid, yeah, and so there it's a green factory. There's no off gassing, there's no waste products. It's all green manufacturing with local so here's the thing, a ton of urea. Urea is 46 00, it only is 46% nitrogen. It's one element out of the 17 that the plants need now. It takes 35 million Btus to manufacture one ton. 35 million. Think about that in terms of air conditioning units. That's wild. Well, that's

why you're you're providing a big benefit in market gap to just get us off of those inefficient fertilizers that aren't even good for the soil. Yeah.

So look at so that's a mismanagement of energy resource, right there, right because you have to take hydrogen gas, you have to combine it with atmosphere under immense pressure. It takes a ton of energy, and then you have to transport that all over the world, because it's cheaper to make it in places like Russia and China. Then that has to be transported overseas if you're dependent on chemical fertile. And you don't have the resource of the country, and then it's even more expensive, and then that is eventually mixed with other fertilizers, like EDTA chelated chemicals and all these other things to make these nutrient salts. So they're pulling from all these other different resources. And at the very end, that urea only has about a 10 to 15% use efficiency, where only about 10 to 15% the actual nutrition is going to actually be observed by the plant, because so much of it is going to be converted back to atmospheric gas, the atmospheric nitrogen cycling process and through biological nitrogen cycling in the in the soil. And because you're just going to lose you're also going to lose some to probably run off, because a lot of these products don't have good carbon content in the soil, right? So they don't There's nothing for there's nothing for the nutrients to hold on to in the soil. So it's extremely just washing away. Now, our, our a ton of humate fertilizer only takes 900,000 BTU, which is still a lot of energy. But in in if we're talking the apples to apples, we're talking about a complete NPK, secondary and micronutrient fertilizer, complete with over 45% fulvic acid and 4% humic acid. Not just one element. We're addressing all of the elements, humic and fulvic acid, passive transport, saving metabolic energy, increasing nutrient use efficiency and decreasing the cost for energy production and for resource allocation. It's,

it's amazing, man, that's, that's why I love following your work, right? Like you're a great educator. I love having you on the show and stuff. But this is why people are hyped, because of those numbers that you just said and the implications. Let me, let me tie this up though, and see if I have this right, because I think I'm clear on humic acid products than I ever have been. They all come from these sources that are like either lignite or sea bed, humates or whatever, and they're all locked in there. Let me put it this way, humic acid products can be considered, considered anything from the unfiltered, locked up rock source, or granulated, or whatever, like you said, all the way up to partially processed, separated from humic and fulvic, re enriched with the minerals, or anything in between, right? Any of those things can be considered humic acid products. So they are not created equally in any way

and in most and like California, Washington or in an organ, you can't even say fulvic acid, which is really, there's a really distinct thing that needs to be defined, right? That fulvic and fulvic acid and humic acid function chemically, completely different, sure. And they just say, you just have to say humic acid. You're including human substances. You're including. So that's the thing too, is the labeling requirements for these things may not or may be in accordance with California, and you're not getting the full depth of perception and understanding of what they're derived from, because it might be humic substance and not humic acid, which is just substances that could potentially contain those functional groups, right? So

that, I mean, that answers a lot of questions. You just got to know how it's produced. Essentially, it does, it does provide more questions, but you have to ask the manufacturer what this is. Essentially, look,

I'm completely transparent on everything, how we manufacture these processes, how everything is done, the only thing that protected, and there's only four of us that know what it is, which is, which is the catalyst for reacting the fulvic acid to its to act as a electron acceptor. And people have different not electron acceptor, nylon acceptor, and that's what differs your

process from other people. Other people have different extraction processes and different stuff like that, right? So they are completely different. You

know, a lot of people won't tell you how it's being done, like this and that. They'll just say, Oh, it's proprietary, or, Oh, it's plant based. Or, you know, I'm just, I, I'm completely open and transparent. And, you know what's really cool, too, bro, I'm doing, I'm running Coco, it with this nutrients. I'm doing a one gallon, yeah, bro. And it's, it's gonna be cool, because once I have this program dialed in, it's like, we can go scale out facilities and not waste cocoa anymore, or they set up their cocoa pots. Bam. You want to do cocoa? Cool? Hell, hell yeah, dude, let's do some organic cocoa production. You know what I mean, just like you run salt, but without all that fucking waste, man, I'm gonna fucking change everything, dude, everything's fucking changing Jordan, and I'm gonna push this so hard. I'm going to Chicago at the end of the month. I'm meeting up with investors, because I can't scale this thing alone anymore. And we're building a factory for the Nutri grill pot. We're building a factory to manufacture humate fertilizer. And I'm pushing this shit to the fucking Max, bro, I

love it. Well, listen, here's the secret. You ready guys, here's the secret to success in life and in your career, you have to find a problem, create a solution for it that provides value to the world, makes the world a better place, makes people's lives easier, better, somehow more effective, makes someone laugh, makes someone smile, makes someone learn, some. Thing Brandon here is tackling a huge problem, which is the conventional, quote, conventional agricultural industry. And nobody is on board with how they do it right now, except for big act themselves. And everybody wants to see a solution like this that's going to be earth friendly and leave the earth a better place for our kids so we don't screw it up and doom future generations. So you've really picked an amazing crusade here. Man, we're here for it. We're watching. We're following along. Speaking of which, where can people find you? Man, throw out all your plugs, all the stuff. Yes.

Okay, so I'm on all of the social media channels, LinkedIn, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, uh, rust dot Brandon is, is my IG, that's where my main account is. Also Bokashi earthworks. You can go to Bokashi earthworks.com and we put educational blogs in depth, educational blogs on there. So even if you're not buying product from us, you can still follow along and learn and remember

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it up? Nope, I'll talk to you tomorrow. That's right. I will

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