No, Katharina has got one and Martin's got one and they're both in here.
And auto
Otter pilots are taken over.
Yep.
Yeah, I'm just waiting for them to be able to like, you know, like, say things on my behalf, you know, some of the meetings and just give them some talking points.
Yeah,
I mean, the problem is that, you know, AI can do a great job giving the averages of everything. Yeah. But innovation, like real innovation, or something that's never been done before. When AI figures that out?
then we're in trouble. And we're in trouble. Or maybe we're in good luck, depending on how it plays itself out. Yeah. Then
at the end of the day, all that's left is connection. We'll just sit and drink coffee all day long and connect with each other because AI will do the rest of the work for
us. It'll just be a lot of prompts and feedback loops. Like how
did you leave that meeting so fast and just dive into a completely different conversation? I feel like I was with you like 30 seconds ago.
Tech switching is my specialty these days.
And then I have a lot of good feedback for you as well. I had a good one hour meeting with with Krzysz today.
Oh, great. Yeah. Okay, looking forward to hear. Hey, Lindsay.
Hi, Katharina. How are you?
Hi, good. How are you?
Doing well. It's been a while since we've talked we should connect.
Pretty much a month I think. Hey, yeah, yeah, I like the flowers.
Lindsey Good to see
what's up good. To see Daniel. Let's see everyone. Yep.
Oh hey Joe. And Joe. How's it going? Hey, Gustav.
Just give it one more sec and I'll pull up the shared screen with our agenda for today. Okay, I think we got almost everybody here all right. And I will start us recording because all the Otters is not quite enough recording. We need an actual video too. And let's see if we can actually get that video to you guys this time. Gotta figure out our sharing settings inside the Thrivesphere. Okay, great. We are recording. Hello everybody. I always feel like I have to start performing when the recording starts. How's everybody doing on this May the seventh 2024. Martin's Otterpilot is doing well. Alright, good to hear. So, we have a pretty brief agenda for this week. You know it really getting down to the brass tacks of what's going on with the RFP process, updated deliverable scorecard, and requests for help. So, you know, we're deep in the weeds of going through all of the RFP proposals. Big thanks to Rebecca for all the work that's happening there, the deliverables scorecard or the milestone updates. Just as a quick reminder, all of this is you can find it on the dashboard that we shared last week. You know, you're always going to find the the most recent stuff for you there. And we're trying to keep everything up to date in real time. So yeah, just want to remind you that that resources there for you. And maybe Kat or Rebecca, if you've got the link to that at your fingertips, if you wouldn't mind dropping in in the chat just as a reminder for folks. Okay, so unless there's anything else that people want to make sure that we've covered here, I'm sure we'll be talking about it at the request for help at the end too. But I think this is you know, on an ongoing basis, probably basically going to be the crux of our agenda structured or, you know, they'll be program updates probably starting next week, you're going to start seeing, you know, the specific proposals coming from projects. But yeah, let's let's dive right in. Okay, RFP process updates. The same overview of documents that you saw last week, has been updated a little bit, and I think Joe was going to walk us through what we're thinking in terms of how to help facilitate folks with some next steps here.
Yeah, so if if you weren't here last week, or if you need a little update, one of the things that we have updated based on a grant from last season to black science which was on the expert service provider networks. There's a interesting insight that they came up with that a lot of these innovative grant programs are best done by quality professionals, and you know, people who have experience with doing that work, and as a few of you operate service companies where you have, you know, an expertise, you know, what it's like to go to the DAO and see, like, I have no clue how long this process is going to take. And I'm a person with expertise and I can make money from clients. And I don't know if I want to interact with that. So we're actually piloting a process based on the research that black science did recommending a process that helped solve that problem, which is a we want to make it so the professionals in you know, other verticals could copy this. So not just grants you could think like you know, security service providers, data service providers, you know, financial service providers, you know, when they go to the DAO, they would appreciate something that looks more like, Oh, that's my API. That's where I connect my business. I get paid for my time to put together the proper proposal and do the right research to show this community how to do it well. And if you see like the Treasury sustainability group, a cool thing is that you know, they got Franklin Templeton this week and BlackRock putting in, you know, proposals to be using Arbitrum for RWA's with the STEP program. And part of the reason that happened was because I think we provided the neutral funding at the beginning for people to take time and gave a very clear interface through the step program for how they could participate. And they looked at that and said, This is a professional organization. I'm not wasting my time with the DAO. It's a very clear application and process, and therefore we got higher quality professionals participating. So what we're going to do with this process is we had the RFP up for a while, and now we're going through the planning grant selections. We're gonna select, we've decided, wanting to 25 We're gonna give a wider group, the planning grant, and basically it's 1000 arm ARB so they can take two weeks. During that two weeks we will give two coaching sessions where they can come and participate, ask questions, and really align their proposal. You don't maybe they identified an Arbitrum ecosystem need but now that we've done the exploration around it, it could be better aligned or they could better define their success goals. So the way it works is that planning grant for two weeks, then we will select five to 10 programs to actually run out of that 25. And the nice thing is the ones that don't get selected, that doesn't mean that they can't go to the DAO and put a proposal straight to the DAO. So, you know, we could have done more than what we have available in that 3 million. Or they could come you know, maybe for our next milestone. So if people really love that grant and that program idea, you know there is a potential life for it. We will then run five to 10 pilots and these pilots will go two to three months, primarily focusing on the novel mechanisms, expanding geography. So for example, one of the programs was doing retro quadratic voting for funding the ecosystem. In Mexico. So they said retro funding because, you know, we aren't gaming it because they've already done the work. It's going to be something where here's the people who would be badge holders and they are around, you know, people who have reputation from the area and if that was successful, it's very scalable because we could repeat this in other geographies. Right. Some of the programs are more on novel funding mechanisms, things like we are looking at funding a reimbursement of gas fees for people who have qualified themselves as non sybil through Gitcoin passport, read delegation, ceremony, so like actually rewarding people for actively thinking about who they're delegating to and re delegating. So there's a lot of creative unique ideas out there. That came in so during the planning grant phase will align them, get them to self state what success metrics will be. So then after the pilot during the evaluation, they will do a self evaluation in August. We will also do an evaluation the community will do an evaluation and then in September of last month of our program, we should be able to wrap up a nice final report that says here's the programs that ran here's why we think they're successful. They align themselves to the ecosystem goals that you all and we all the community agreed on as being at least decent goals. If not perfect, you know, and they hit their success metrics or they didn't and then we'll make decisions on what to cut coach grow. And this process, there's a few different touch points you hit in there like selecting which RFPs are chosen for the planning grant and then selecting which ones actually then go on after that. And we'll be working on decentralizing those touch points. So this becomes a framework that is something that could be handed off to like a greenfield team to run. And I would love to, you know, have another program provider with us in the next season. You know, and you know, really expand the plurality and how this works. So we're pretty excited. You can look down there's 20 of the 25 selected, we're still having some wild debates in our team on the last five that should be selected because there were really over 100 applications and they were about 50 That got qualified as like really good. And then I ended up creating a new thing in that column to you that says must have and we started realigning them there. So we still have a few more to make selections on but you can kind of see get a gist of what we're doing. So they'll all get a planning grant 1000 ARB, they'll have two weeks on the 14th and then the 16th or 17th. We have two coaching sessions. Then on the 21st you will all get to see the five to 10 that we have selected and what the amounts are and get the chance to veto any if you think that we should. And then we'll be off to the running. It'll be a bunch of pilots are selected, and there'll be a few that will likely say, hey, we couldn't fit you into our budget now. But you can request funds from the DAO and even then continue to participate in our program with us and the evaluations we do if the DAO were to fund it. But we don't have those right now. So that is the process any questions?
Right, a couple quick housekeeping things for y'all. I'm at East Sydney right now, and was meeting some teams out here. And I'm gonna be going on two weeks of like, trying to be off the grid vacation, I figured there was no way I could do that unless I literally put myself off the grid where like no signal came. So that's what I'm doing is putting myself literally off the grid to no signal. So you won't see me for a couple of weeks. But I am still here. And then the the other thing I wanted to address was during that time, you know, Ben is, you know, absolutely in the spot of like, hopefully, when we put the next proposal, you know, he will be fully equipped as a lead to this program. I'm not going anywhere, as well. I'm not working with any of the other communities thrive is working with, but I am doing a little bit more work with thrive. But I have not moved into that role yet, because I've been spending all of my time on Arbitrum really so far. So, you know, if there's issues with us making that move over time, you know, feel free to reach out to me individually reach out to Ben, reach out to Daniel even but you can expect that I will be you know, the right Arbitrum person. We're just we just had problems with like using plurality labs, emails and thrive emails. So we really wanted to like just have one like system that we're all using. So hopefully everybody understands that and just wanted to clarify the status of what we were doing. Any questions there otherwise I'm passed back to you.
Because somebody that you might be might is probably no, it's great that you told us that probably you should think about how to communicate it with the DAO like overall because like
We know that and you know, we get a cut, we all get accustomed to the fact that Ben is in charge, and you're like, kind of in the backseat. But the DAO doesn't know. And if at the end of the program, it comes to the, you know, it becomes clear that like, Ben is running this thing, and Joe and Shawn are somewhere else. And people will be confused. Like, we actually voted for Joe and Shawn, not Ben. So what happened here? You might, I don't know, I don't have the answer, how to communicate it, but it should probably think about it.
Yeah, we've been trying to slowly, you know, like, Ben's been putting up some posts gathering that I had put up, is putting up our weekly update posts, and introducing them slowly into the fold. You know, I think it's pretty normal for any team to have some new people come on and so forth. And if there's any point where I, like, you know, the this RFP process is addition of like the planning grant, based on what we learned before, you know, most of this has been, like, high level architected and designed by me. And, you know, it's, we're still in the process of, you know, catching new team members up on the full context of everything. So you know, I'm not really going anywhere other than to somewhere totally off the grid for two weeks.
I can add my tiny little bit to that, just in terms of how I think we communicate this. I mean, I joined to help try to make Joe's vision, a reality at scale with it. You know, we work together in the past, and, you know, was very excited about the work that I saw Joe doing with our Plurality labs, and, you know, was enticed to come and be a part of this mission, you know, because of that vision. So, you know, I really don't think there's a change, of course, or direction as much as just like a building up of the team and our capacity as a group to make that vision a reality. Yeah.
Just wanted to clarify one thing, like I'm mentioning this not for you to convince me, I'm saying that, you know, I see this as a risk for the project. Anytime. You don't have to convince me.
Thanks. Thanks. much. Appreciate it. Any other questions about the RFP process update or where things are at with the RFP? Feel like you got a good sense of what's going on.
That was less than 15 minutes. Nice.
Okay, well, the next topic is the milestone review. And again, the link to that milestone tracker. What we've been calling the scorecard. But I think maybe we should just start calling it the milestone tracker, because that's actually what we're calling it on the document. The that you'll see a bunch of updates there. I'll switch to sharing that in one second kind of walk you through those updates in the milestone tracker.
just heard and see. Now that is Katharina posting the link. Thank you. Okay, so I'm gonna try to avoid just going through absolutely every one of these. I just want to highlight that we've put in milestone dates for everything. I know it was a little bit confusing in the past to see just kind of a month. So we've tried to give you like a specific date. Also just want to highlight the few things that have moved into done the first program manager workshop, which by the way, there's a forum post that has come out for the the sort of visioning session that Joe lead is another one that's going to come out about the program manager workshop. There's also going to be a forum that Joe is working on a survey, you know, for people who were not able to make it to the first DAO workshop on the needs the DAO. So thank you for everybody who participated in that there's the link to the forum post. You will be able to find all of the related links to all of the things that we're talking about here, you know, directly on this milestone tracker which is publicly visible and will be linked out in the weekly and monthly updates as well. And you know, just for your reference, you can always see the the previous milestones in here as well if you want to look back at Milestone One. The other thing just for the sake of giving you a quick update on it related to Gitcoin grants 20 which wraps up today. Happy to say that, actually, as of today, there are over 25,000 New Arbitrum users interacting on GG 20 I think that number is getting closer to 30,000. We're going to do a follow up survey with community members. But yeah, even since the time over the weekend, where I was updating this, that number is reached over 25,000 So glad to see that happening. And you know, we're interacting with and trying to bring as many of those people you know, directly into the Arbitrum community in a variety of ways as possible. And we'll share more updates about that as that progresses. Let's see anything else that really shouldn be tracked here. I think really, I mean, honestly all the biggest things are what we just talked about as it relates to the to the rubric and to the RFP process. So there's nothing that's in the red right now a few things that are in yellow like that we're actively working on. And pretty much everything else is just scheduled and sort of in the plans moving forward. So if you're ever wondering what we're working on or sort of what the rollout looks like, you know, this should be the single source of truth for everything in the near future. Pause there. Yeah, first off,
Finally, I've been laid about. I'm looking to the point finalized program ideas leads, what is the rubric in that case? Because I click the link, and it goes like that the link points to the main RFP overview.
So the the airtable questions are basically the mirror image of the rubric. So the the way that we'll be assessing these projects are basically, you know, the reviewers looking at all the projects based on the questions that we asked. Maybe we can share that in a slightly better form, though, we do have, like review sheets that we're using, perhaps what we could do is update that like a link directly to the review sheets. So you can get a sense of it. But very similar to the to the rubric sheet that, that you looked at when we were looking retrospectively at the projects from the last round. It's basically just a slightly updated version of that.
Okay, probably. But again, getting you can you should like click the link and show me where they will it is. Sure.
One sec.
Do the rubric is what we're talking about. Sorry which one were you just talking about?
This is this thing that you heard it before? The line 22?
22 Thank you.
Well 21 Actually
21?
21, yep, there you go. Thank you
Bar, we see the top. Oh, yeah. So here, and where is the rubric?
So I think what you're where you will find the rubric is in the review process linked to application and rubric.
So here we go.
And where is the rubric by which you assess the obligations?
So the rubric is the tu tu tu tu tu? It's basically the answers to these questions. If I'm not mistaken. Rebecca, I don't want to put you on the spot. But could you
bit? That's totally okay, Ben. We are doing these on separate sheets so it can be hard to sort through things. This is the rubric for program idea reviews. I'm sharing it but just give me a second to actually open access to everyone here. There we go. So we have another version of that that's also particular to program managers. But if you open that sheet, you'll be able to see all the scores that we're adding and then as well as comments.
Thank you for that. So maybe let's add this link directly in the
Okay, so the the rubric is those. Okay. I think I've seen a tweet though.
Yeah, and if you look through that, and you see that mine is a little light. I did mine very thoroughly all on the airtable. Not just the rubric. So it's kind of like that document that you see there. So I don't want you to look at me like wait, Joe said he's still here. If you look on the actual dot thing that we shared there. And there's a little picture at the bottom. Here, I'll drop the link here. That's what it looks like in the actual airtable. And I just put mine straight there, rather than everybody else put theirs into this using the rubric. But I went in and put a bunch of comments and tagged them and did a bunch of other stuff.
Okay, thanks. So I will probably look into it and comment on the data. Okay, thank you very much for those links. And let's make sure that those links are actually in the table.
Good call. Appreciate that.
Thank you.
Any other questions about the stuff that you saw in the milestone tracker? I know there's a lot of detail there. You know, one other thing I would say is, feel free to add any comments or questions directly directly in the milestone tracker, you should all have comment access. So you know, feel free to just like put your comments right in there, if that's helpful for you. Or you can always reach out to us on telegram anytime, between meetings, if you know, things come up when you've got a little bit more time to dive in. But you know, you'll that milestone tracker is always going to be visible to the dashboard, and you're welcome to come to, you know, jump in and add your thoughts or questions or suggestions.
Cool. Make it through this meeting very quickly today. Okay, well, I'll move on to the next agenda item, which is actually just the requests for help. And there's really just one request for help today, which is we have a bunch of reward opportunities on the thank our website would love your help just letting people know about them. You know, for example, there may be the grantee in GG 20, who is not applied to get the Arbitrum. And building on Arbitrum Bonus, which is an active process that we're in the midst of right now. You know, the next step for GG 20 is going to be people committing to the milestones that they intend to hit, and us rolling out a series of rewards for hitting those milestones with what I've been calling the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, which was that last 100k are for the top projects based on the reviews that are done of their work. So that'll just be a little taste of what we'll be doing with all of the projects and the programs itself, coming out of all the projects and programs that come through the RFP process. So we do have some awards that are available right now on ThankARB. Both for people who submitted RFPs, as well as for, you know, various types of contributions during GG 20. Also, we have a fun meme contest that's floating around right now, as well as some other things. So I guess you could add to this not just helping to spread the word. But also, you know, we'd love to hear your thoughts about that those rewards and the opportunities we're trying to create to incentivize the right kinds of behavior with community members, as well as to drive participation in the sort of decentralized validation assessment process. Yeah, I'd
also like to add here that one of the coolest ideas, and this one was actually definitely a bad idea was working with open source observer, in terms of, you know, they they've documented from the grant they had last season, all of the protocols building on Arbitrum. And one of the things they look at is both on chain retention. And they look at the GitHub of that project, and give it a rating as to how active it is. And then they make up these other metrics around like, how active is it, or the retention that they have, and things things like that. So you can see that those were integrated into Gitcoin In this last round, but then what we were able to do was, we were able to reach out to all of these open source projects on Arbitrum. And make sure that they applied to be in the open source main round on Gitcoin. So we had way huge representation, larger representation of Arbitrum projects in this Gitcoin round. And now they're also then available for this extra funding based on hitting milestones that they agreed to hit with the funding, which is kind of a cool extension of what they're doing. And you know, we'll likely see this with other rounds going forward. But this combination of being able to look into like the GitHub, is it like active and active at the rate or compared to the other protocols, and giving them milestones of actual retention and you know, the developer activity stuff is like a really new, cool unlock that was made possible by a grant before a strong collaboration. And yeah, we're pretty excited about that and don't want to understate the amount of like work and planning and collaboration that it took to get to get it done to bring 25,000 young new users on to Arbitrum. And be funding way more of Arbitrum 's ecosystem with the Gitcoin round.
One other sort of anecdotal, but I think interesting thing that I've been noticing is a lot of the builders who are, you know, applying for grants on Gitcoin are very new builders, like they're making decisions about where to build and why to build there. And I've had a series of conversations with people over the last couple of weeks, where people are just interested to know more about why they should be building on our, and, you know, I think just seeing that there are these rewards, and there's this very active builder community, you know, there's an opportunity for folks to, you know, jump in, and like, actually, you know, consider, you know, where they're going to build as a result of this process. You know, so I'm hoping that, you know, through this kind of sequence of opportunities, and like, kind of knowing that, you know, this is just one of many of these kinds of different approaches that we're taking to, you know, funding builders in this ecosystem, that we're actually going to be attracting top talent from, you know, hackathons and elsewhere to come be part of this ecosystem. So we'll definitely be trying to track that in a variety different ways. And like, you know, give you some sense of kind of how that's going. But total level, I think that's important to recognize, just
follow up on hackathon. Bonus ones, that one's really cool, too, because one of the rounds was for hackathon participants, both from Gitcoin, from middlebox, and all their partners to be part of the open source funding. And if they had kept the project alive and going, then they were eligible. And now, you know, we can then bonus them to moving or participating on Arbitrum.
Krzysztof
yeah, so like, I don't want to be the grumpy uncle here. But like, I believe that this board is meant for you know, for you to hear some some criticism, maybe up front than later. So two things that come into my mind like, that's great that you're sharing all the all those things about Gitcoin but how does it translate into plurality labs milestone one be like I don't fully understand the connection. And you know, if you if you will be claiming that, you know, it's good like, it seems like it's a Gitcoin sickness, not necessarily milestone 1B success. Maybe I'm simply not seeing something that like, that's also I was pointing out in the past, that you know, that there needs to be somehow like if Gitcoin is a problem of milestone 1B and probably it shouldn't be somehow, you know, structured and unexplained. And, you know, if you have successes right now, it wouldn't be great if you like, a month ago, if you announce that, hey, we are trying to do this, and you know, we'll see how it goes. Because right now, it kind of seems like you're trying to write on the back of Gitcoin and say, Hey, this huge success that Gitcoin achieved is actually our success, you know, we were standing just next to it. So that's one thing. Simply, you know, I believe that it came to my mind. Other people might think like that as well as it'll be good to get the story straight. So that's one thing. The other is about this. Like, I'm looking into the strike ThankARB We want opportunities and again, like that, two things like first one I clicking into some things and they don't see like, I clicked into this write an article. Right, the deep dive article mirror medium goes to substack and I see total rewards distributed so far for this contribution. 50 are but I don't see this contribution like Where where is this actual thing work being displayed? So that's one thing, but more importantly, how does it again how does this fit into milestone 1B deliverables? Like what? Why? Like, why are you telling us about this? Again, it's simply kind of formalities thing, like, is it a program inside milestone 1B? How is it you know, how does it fit together so that we get our story straight up? You know, it's not something that hey, we said that we will do a but actually you know, b is super fun and cool. And look how great it is. That's like two comments from me. And sorry for being this grumpy uncle. I really don't have anything against you. But Cindy, I wish
I mean, for the record Krzysztof , you're one of my favorite Gitcoin grantees. So it's all good. I would say in Joe got thoughts about this too. But I mean, just for starters, like the Gitcoin is running on Arbitrum, because of our partnership with Gitcoin. And that in and of itself, I think is a, you know, a victory because it is a a large event in the web three space that drives a tremendous amount of traffic and attention to the Arbitrum community in the fact that all but one of the rounds, and it just one small community round will run on Arbitrum means that we you know, just by doing that, you know, have a tremendous number of new people who are in some way participating in the Arbitrum ecosystem. You know, the part that I keep trying to emphasize is like, this is just one step in the process of like, trying to bring more and more of these people directly into the Arbitrum ecosystem. So the milestones that we're talking about the review of the work that they're being done, you know, that is how we're trying to get people to not just be in Gitcoin, but to be more actively participating directly in other aspects of the Arbitrum community and building on our herb and interacting with tools and products in our so you know, I definitely could understand that perspective. To answer your question, like, is this a program of milestone 1B? Yes. I mean, it was the one that happened before the process because of timing. And we couldn't announce it a month ago, because the funding wasn't finalized for us to have this partnership finalized with Gitcoin. So I mean, basically, the second thing that was that was when we announced it, we have asked the Gitcoin to formally apply to the RFP process just like any other program. So you know, if we do the next Gitcoin round, that will be part of the RFP process. And we intend to review, not just the the Gitcoin program of overall, but each of the individual rounds that we supported through Gitcoin, just like we would any other program, you know, so in that sense, like, you know, this is definitely part of, you know, the same infrastructure, the same rubric, the same decision making structure. You know, it just was an opportunity that we jumped on to try to get the ball rolling, you know, and it made some noise with the relationships and connections and infrastructure that we had available to us. And frankly, I think it's been a win for for the Arbitrum community. And, you know, I'm very happy to be able to point to all the stuff that comes out of it as we have more to coin. Sorry, go ahead, Joe. And then I'll circle back to the Vanguard part of it.
Yeah, there's one thing with the Gitcoin, that a lot of people don't realize is they're expanding the mechanisms that they're doing. So when we talked about, we want to see innovation with these mechanisms, you know, once there are open source code, and they're on chain, using, you know, Gitcoin Zelo protocol, it means that they're gonna go to the same data substrate. So it makes it easy for us to assess them, because it's the same data layer. However, it's kind of like, you know, if we're building something, and we're going to like, say, we're not sure what tools are best to build this thing, should we use, you know, a screwdriver or hammer or chisel and we're not sure. And then get going over there. They're like Black and Decker or Makita. They're like a brand, and they have all the different tools. So, you know, there might be some of the future rounds where they have like an easy, retro PGF tool out there, they have a direct grants tool, that the uniswap Arbitrum program use completely separate from us, you know, they have the quadratic funding, they also are releasing a quadratic voting. So they're, you know, kind of more like the brand making the tools and we're interested in understanding which tool is best for which job, and less interested in which brand, outside of the fact that like, we know that Gitcoin plugs into our outlets for a lot of the other stuff. So when we can use them, you know, we we likely will especially extend the partnership because a lot of the new mechanisms, they don't come with 25,000 new users, you know,
I mean, that was one of the big takeaways from the last round was the quarterly program itself. It has value in and of itself outside of the mechanisms. It's a lot easier to ride a wave than it is to create a wave and like the rounds that we ran Uh, you know, as part of the quarterly Gitcoin grants program just drives hundreds of 1000s of eyeballs and like, you know, 20 to 40 50,000 participants, you know, so getting all those people to like, actively be moving to ARB and interacting with the with the network and kind of becoming more accustomed to what's being built, seemed important. But, yeah, in terms of where you can find the outcomes of all those rewards, that that's something that we're still pulling together, the validation of all the work that people did is actively happening right now. So nobody actually gets paid out any of those rewards until it's been human validated by at least two or three validators. And we'll keep you updated on sort of all that progress. And we'll have places where you can go and find the the articles that were written and the content looks great. And all the other stuff that that came out of, you know, the work that took place.
So sorry, like I just like to, once again, it's not about convincing me like really I'm not trying this for you to convince me that that it's right like what I would rather like what I would rather expect you to do after this comment to say, Okay, we will get Kevin to post on Twitter that yes, this whole Gitcoin Success is fence only to Joe and, you know, and plurality labs because this would be something that would be you know, that I could use Why Thrive to do, you know, and plurality labs did a great job, then you could you know, say that yes, we will post a summary of this on forum to you know, to, to explain to the DAO that it's asked that we are doing this and why are we doing this in relation to original proposal, like how does it fit the original proposal? Like I would like you to explain not to me, but to the DAO, why are you doing this and what is the whole purpose for it? Because what I'm afraid is that you won't be doing a lot of great job. But after four months, like you still don't find understanding in the DAO to why people should treat it valuable. Because after four months people will take your original proposal will check okay, did they do ABCD E? And they will say okay, no, that's not the time when you are supposed to say yes, but you know, if and I are super interesting that that's what we focused on. That's why I'm saying this so like, please don't try to convince me rather think about how to, you know how to put something out there. So that you don't have to convince me because I can learn about it myself, as well. For sure. So that I feel that I don't have to convince sinkers why this is important. Like if sinkers gets it like this is my litmus test. If sinkers gets it then it's like I'm good.
I would say sorry. Go ahed, go ahead. It brought to mind one other thing that we didn't put on the agenda, but we should make you guys aware of is you know, we're still working with the foundation so we haven't been paid the funds were sent from tally to multisig with delegates. And we actually sent our fee over but then sent it right back because we realize that the foundation still hadn't signed the agreement. So you know, they gave us an agreement to negotiate liabilities and all these things and what we're doing is actually creating a Grants DAO with a new team and foundation and all that side work. So we basically have to do all that in like 26 days I think they gave us where they turn around. And so we're hard at work getting that done so we can take on all the compliance stuff and so forth. But just so you know, there is that thing going on. We're very optimistically working as though we're going to get it done.
Yeah, good point, Joe, that is a pretty pretty substantial piece. of what we're talking about here.
This is super important, you know, that you mentioning it, because it's like, sounds like he's still repeating itself. And, you know, I hope and I, you know, keep fingers crossed, everything goes straight and smooth. And you know, you will have it finished in a week. But you have to understand that this is no x like, either right right now on the forum that there are issues, or don't try to use it as an excuse as to why things got delayed three months from now, because, you know, it cannot happen again.
Yeah, it definitely it's not going to be an ongoing thing three months from now. But yeah, no point well taken. Yeah, and Krzysztof, I just wanted to say to be abundantly clear, like I am definitely not trying to convince you of the points that we're making here. And I see your feedback, as a very welcome reminder of what people in the community may also be thinking, you know, so like, it genuinely is appreciated. And, you know, the responses are, if anything, I'm just trying to workshop with this board. You know, sort of how we communicate about those things and get feedback from you before communicating things more publicly. So, you know, thank you for for continuing to be somebody who's helping us to identify where some of those points of friction or misunderstanding or that need for more clarity is, and sincerely it's, it's it really is taken as a positive contribution. You know, and definitely not just trying to convince you of anything for him to make sure that we're being clear about what we're communicating and, you know, in any feedback, we've got on, you know, what's missing, or sort of, you know, when we do respond to the to the questions you bring up if there's things that are still gaps, you know, that's the whole point of it. So yeah, thank you for it.
Okay, we've got 13 minutes left in the time that we had on the calendar. We could give ourselves some time back today, if, if there's nothing else that people want to bring up. I think we definitely exhausted what was on the agenda anyway. And thank you, Joe, for the reminder of a pretty critical piece that didn't didn't have a natural place on the agenda somewhere, but we need to talk about, we'll definitely update you again next week on how that's progressing. Just so you are kept abreast of the financial situation with the kind of thoughts from anybody saying, just waving goodbye, Joe.
Yeah. All right. Thanks, everyone.
Have a great week, guys.
Thanks, everybody. Thanks, everyone. See ya. Cheers.
