Within the Latter Day Saint, religion, there is a notion, I'm going to use this word carefully, and I hope your listeners will understand that I'm using a word that is loaded politically, in the world today. But within the Latter Day Saint tribe, it has a very different meaning than the one I'm about to use. And it's called Zion. Letter, a same idea using biblical texts was that God actually wants this world here and now before Heaven, to be a Zion, where people can thrive together, who have differences, right. And Joseph Smith was the original Latter Day Saint profit, made, he said that the idea of Zion should be our central goal in all we do. And so, in answering your question, my Latter Day Saint point of view of an ideal world is one where the best of all ideologies, and now I'll put out there, the best of doubters, the best of the atheists, the best of everybody, whatever the the goods are, that come out of your worldview, the best of that would be brought into Zion, and would be digested, not vomited, but somehow digested usefully by all the tribes, not not homogenized into a single reality. But, but everyone would feed off of everyone else's highest and best stuff. And that would mean a radical level of understanding of what things like what a family is, what love is, what the best political arrangement is, how do we deal with inevitable inequality of human capacities? In a world where imposing equalities always turned out to be totalitarian horror? Right? How do we, well in Zion, you care, you just care deeply that other people share your your wealth. And it's not. It's not an utopia, because how that sharing gets done, is a matter of negotiation. So it's not unlike having congresses and tax debates, etc. But in Zion, your religious views would be brought into the conversation. It wouldn't be just talking about whether we ought to tax 20% or 80%. We would actually converse with each other from our idealistic positions and say, This is why I think it should be x. And I come from this ideological position. And in Zion, that's allowed in America. No, no, no, we don't want any of your idealistic because we need to talk about only the facts, right. You guys have your values, we have our values, but we're here in a secular world where none of that crap matters. We just talk about the facts Well, in Zion, you care about enough about why each other believes what they do about the facts, that you really want to know the why behind the facts. And so it's a world of interrelated respect, learning, if I did not say that there would be this ideal equality among all, that everyone would flourish equally, I didn't say that, I basically said, there would be a world in which we cared much more deeply about each other, and wanted to be open to each other's influence in a different way than we are now. And, and that would mean we have to take radical differences seriously. And we see each other not as enemies, but as trustworthy agonists, right? Who have different views of the truth. And then that the dynamic tension of that actually builds the truth for everyone, instead of creating War, where we're shutting down and saying, No, we got a problem here. It's either or, and whoever has the most guns are the most money wins. Now, let me make it very clear to you, Bo, that we're in a world where global warming could get to a point that's just like the pandemic right now. It's a great example, where some people are saying, No, I'm not gonna wear masks or whatever, I'm free. And other people are saying, you're not free to infect me, right? In other words, the old guy we need to get, we need to be adults in this world, and realize any freedom has a limit by another free, right. And we're going to have really serious issues about global warming coming down the pipe. And another very serious issue about bio bio engineering, humans, human bodies and minds, where religious and ideological issues are going to be brought right into the reality, should we try to create Superman in the United States? Who has such fast minds that they can they can think about anything? Should we bioengineer our people to live 100 years and be six feet tall? Right? And we would say no, no, Americans should say no, no, no, you won't do that. When someone comes in and says, Well, the Chinese are doing it. You know, they're doing it already. And next, and about 30 years from now, they're all going to be so brilliant that they can treat us like mice. We got to do it. So we haven't we you see where I have we've got we're in a world where we have to fork tact realize that our ideologies will make a difference in practical reality. And so if we don't find a way of engaging with the ideological level in a respectful, mutually persuasive way, we're going to end up with coercion being the game again, and it'll be the Athenians and the Spartans, just beating each other to a pulp, and no one will win. So I'm not an idealist, I'm a pragmatist, Zion is a practical way of keeping the tensions lower, so that you can thrive with the differences instead of ultimately coming to blows over them. And we've got real problems, worldwide problems that we're going to have to thrive in our different views, because things practically have to be done.