🧊 Strains That DUMP Hash, Testing for Wash Returns, and Breeding for Hash, with JLSMonster

3:12AM Jan 28, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

Keywords:

hash making

strain selection

rosin production

wash returns

breeding hash

AC Infinity

grow gear

cannabis industry

medical cannabis

home grow

living soil

freeze dryer

jar test

glove test

modified moose

Greetings growers from around the world. Jordan River here back with more grow cast fresh off the presses. Today, we have a hash episode with a brand new guest. I know you're gonna love JLS monster, our first time guest today. He is an expert hash maker, and he's very passionate about breeding, hash making cultivars. So today's episode is all about tips on hash making, growing for hash and strains that do well in the wash and the press. I know you're gonna love the way that JLS speaks about hash making. But before we jump into today's episode, quick shout out to AC infinity, that's right, they make the best grow gear on the market. Acinity.com, code, grow, cast one five saves you 10% that is the maximum discount we've had the COVID forever. We've been partners with AC infinity for years. And why? It's because they make the best tents you can get your hands on. They make the best inline fans, the best oscillating fans. They make really, really great quality accessories like scissors, pots, Ratchet hangers and things like that. And now they also have lights. They've got the ion board and now the ion frame bar style, really, really great stuff at AC infinity. Get the whole grow kit you've been after. You know you can get a three by three kit, a five by five kit. You know you want another one, just go ahead and pop over there. Use code grow cast one five, always at checkout for the max discount. And thank you for supporting us and AC infinity. We love them so much. They make our favorite grow gear out there. I'm looking at two AC infinity tents in my bio dome, and you won't regret grabbing one. Use code grow, cast one, five at AC infinity.com. Thank you to AC infinity. All right, let's get into it with JLS monster. Thank you for listening and enjoy the show. You Jordan. Hello, podcast listeners, you are now listening to grow cast. I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today. Before we get started as always, I urge you to share this show, turn a grow around, to grow cast, or turn a smoker onto growing it the best way you can help us on our mission of overgrow. Make sure you are subscribed wherever you're listening. And of course, check out growcast podcast.com. For the membership, the seeds. Everything is there. Thank you to the members. Today we have a brand new guest on the line. We're talking hash. I love talking hash rosin, selecting strains for washing different attributes to look for when you're hunting through phenotypes, it's going to be a really good episode. And today we are speaking with an expert and a true, passionate hash connoisseur. We have JLS, monster on the line for the first time. What's up? JLS, how are you doing? Man, I'm doing good. How's it going? Jordan, excellent. Thank you for coming on the show. Farmer John recommended we speak to this man about hash. Actually, I had the honor, I had the honor of smoking a can of gar with you that Chris Trump had provided all of us when we were all hanging out at Tetra lounge. God, that has to have been two years ago. Hanja, at least two, maybe three, maybe three. That's wild How time flies. That was a, really the

initial Rocky Mountain grow cast meetup, that's right,

man. And I'm ashamed I actually got back out there for a class or two, but I haven't done one since. We do have one lined up in June. June 15, we're doing a meetup, a barbecue and meetup in Denver, and we're going to do an after party at Tetra lounge, that same place. So funny how it all comes great circle there. Yeah, but listen, man, I'm excited to speak to you today about rosin. Okay, we do this, I'd say a handful of times a year. We do entire episodes about making hash, about washing Bubble Hash, pressing rosin. People love it. It's the future of cannabis consumption. There's lots of people, including yourself, who are just growing for rosin. Now, flour isn't even really part of the equation. It's very fascinating. And I want to dig into all of this with you today, because you are very talented and knowledgeable on this subject. And I want to see what makes you tick before we get into the specifics, though, tell us about yourself. What's your background in cannabis? What brought you into growing and what brought you into committing to doing hash full time? Oh,

yeah, that's a, that's quite the story. You know, I first started consuming cannabis in 2002 I just was a casual consumer for the longest time. And then in 2012 me and my partner moved to Colorado from where we had lived originally. She's a very extreme medical patient. She has a disease called multiple hereditary exotosis. So cannabis was a way for her to get away from opiates and escape that, that life just having to take pills day after day, to just to be happy, just to try to be alive. We came to Colorado, and immediately she was able to get off of opiates with access to the hash that was here, you know. And very, very soon into that process, we realized that it was very strange, specific about what actually worked and what didn't press. Provide her any relief at all. So that was my reasoning for actually getting into the cannabis industry in itself.

Man, that's beautiful. I think that there's a lot of reasons people get into this game, but your story is one of those that's medically driven, and I love that. So I hear the story time and time again, the very specific medical condition only some strains help, and then you can't always find those strains, right? So I assume that led you to exactly now, I gotta grow this stuff just to have medicine, right? Is that kind of how it went?

You know, actually, I got into the industry any way I could. I was a tremor for a few months, until they realized I was really trying my hardest, and then they let me roll joints. And then, you know, I'd been consuming cannabis for over 10 years at that point, so obviously I could roll a joint. And then, you know, they just started letting me be a bud tender, and the passion showed. And then they transferred me to a grow, and I had 700 plants for the very first time with me and one other person, Whoa, yeah,

in Colorado is your first grow, a 700 plant grow. I thought I was getting over my head with 90 plants, my first grow. That is hilarious. Yeah,

yeah. And then they very fast they expanded that grow, because this was 2013 so things were, you know, exploding in Colorado. So we very soon had 2000 plants. I was the head of that grow. I had five grow assistants or so. It just kind of worked out that I was the most passionate person in the crew, and it just I floated to the top.

Hold on, man, I don't mean to, I don't mean to stop you here, but we need to dig it. How did you manage to take on that big of a task? Your first time, you had to been doing a lot of studying, I'm guessing.

You know, growing is a lot easier than people on the internet want to make it out to be. I love it. If you mix the nutrients and you have a real recipe, all you have to do is water the plant. And if the plant's not ready to water it again. I mean, if you can dial in your environment and then dial in your watering habits, the it grows itself, as long as you have an appropriate recipe,

what were you using recipe at the time for 700 plants? So

at that very first facility, it was Gen hydro three part. Then we use, yeah. Then we used pro tech for our silica. We had the botanic care cow mag, we had hydrozyme. We were, it was, it was a very convoluted recipe, Bloom boosters. On top of bloom booster. It was,

it was a lot. That's how everyone used to grow the rest man, because a lot Yeah,

biomass driven than quality driven, for sure, but we certainly hit our goals, that's for sure. Well, listen,

that's a brand new one to me. First grow 700 plant grow, and for you to be able to survive that, right? Like I've heard a lot of stories go that way and then not end so well. I'm guessing that you were doing your research, and, like you said, probably passionate about it, but at the same time, it's, like you said, get a good recipe if you can grow one plant. You know, scaling up certainly presents some unique challenges. But like you said, Of course, it's on and the and the nutrients are on. There's not much more you need. Nope.

Just Just water them to run off and remove the runoff.

That's wild man, to jump back then to cut. There are obviously more complicated ways to irrigate, but it is not

necessary. Yeah,

no doubt, very interesting man. So continue. What led you from this, this kind of commercial world of large scale growing, to a hash creator and boutique breeder,

to be honest, when I got my grow in the recreational and slash medical scene, because it was both. That's kind of when I found Instagram, and I kind of found the cannabis community as a whole. And then I very, very, very fast realized that the dispensary that I was working for was kind of mids, like the quality of the cannabis I was able to give to my partner was like a six or a seven at best, just because of the SOPs that I was forced to follow. It just wasn't the best situation possible. And so I set up my own home grow. It was probably a year and a half into growing recreationally, and I went full living soil the very first time, just because I knew what I was growing at at work. And then I wanted the opposite for my own medicine, so I jumped right into organics. First thing,

how did you like that switch? Was that difficult learning curve? Or did you find it to be pretty easy? Well,

the very first time I grew it was with so hum. It was like a pre amended water only, yep, quote unquote, living soil. I had a lot of bad tendencies from the quote unquote, like hydro world, soil list world. So I was running, I was watering to run off a. Little bit too often with that mix. So I hit a deficiency about week six, and being my first grow, I didn't really know what to do or how to fix it, because I was used to just putting bass notes on something and then working. I wasn't really like accustomed to figuring it out. So the first grow was kind of, again, similar quality of what I was producing and work, it was very underwhelming. But the second grow, I immediately went into build a soil. My partner and Jeremy from build a soil's wife actually have the same hip doctor. They've had a couple of the same surgeries, so I know them personally. So I immediately jumped into the build of soil 3.0 and every grow I've ever done since then has been 3.0 and I've had the same soil ever since. Nice

man, I love to hear it. It does sound like you got a green thumb, though, just from the way you're describing this story. So yeah, I think you're one of those guys that has a passion for the plant, but also a talent for it, you know. Okay, so now you got your home grow you got your living soil going on. How'd you get into rosin? Let's move on to rosin. My favorite topic today's topic, what did that look like and and was it just like love at first sight? It seems like you're completely, I don't want to stay obsessed, but you're completely consumed with

it. Let's put it that way. Yeah. So the very first time I consumed Ash was 2008 and that would have been the more classical sense, like the Bubble Hash bottom of black market, just kind of, you know, I don't know. I don't really know a lot of the specifics about it. And then I was introduced to BHO. And 2010 I 2011 and that the BHO was able to provide my partner with a pain relief that like raw flower, no matter how good it was, grown at the time, it was just night and day. She was able to actually sleep through the night without getting up four or five times and having to medicate. It was just a, just a I saw the writing on the wall. I needed to be able to have hash available for her, just so that I could feel good about what I was doing. And then the rosin. That didn't really hit my radar until probably a few years after the the real consumers did. I'm always a few years behind everything. It feels like maybe, but like probably 2014 I started consuming rosin

that's pretty that's pretty early, as far as rosin specifically is concerned.

Yeah, perhaps I was always going to the dispensaries and buying it at that point, though, yeah, I hadn't started the actual growing and processing of it myself until it was 2019 is when I was able to get into it for

myself. Oh, wow. So you're five years in. That's, I mean, that's halfway to, like a mastery, right? Like 10 years doing something fine.

So my grow was kind of based around butane extracts beforehand, just because I didn't have access to the just the amount of equipment it required to do the solventless. And I had a friend who, you know, had a lab and set up, and he was, he was doing clean ish for all intensive purposes, solvents you never really know without a lab test, but it was definitely cleaner than some of the BHO I had tried, that's for sure.

Okay, so I want to get into all of that in the differences and running different strains under those two different extraction methods. But let's actually start a little bit from the beginning of this, which is, I'm thinking about your story, and I'm thinking about a lot of people like you who want to get into it now. But as a guy with grow cast, all we do is work with home growers day and night. And I'll tell you, a lot of the home growers out there, including myself, I'll put myself in this category, are a little bit intimidated to get started for the first time, and not even so much. Like, like I said I'd include myself. I'm not, like, scared that I don't have the knowledge. It's just a little much. It's a lot of equipment. It's a little bit overwhelming. What do you select? What resources do you use to get started? Like, what would be your first online hash series to watch, sort of thing? What advice do you have for people who feel kind of intimidated and want to start today? Make it easy.

It is intimidating, that's that's for sure. Because to do it the way that you see everybody online, doing it requires 1000s of dollars of starting equipment just to kind of get to that point. So it's always, it does feel kind of unreachable in that sense, for just the small scale home grower. But don't, don't worry. I think the freeze dryer is the biggest hurdle. You know, the thing that cost the most, man, I. Believe that those prices are going to come down. I've seen a few competing brands recently. The market will have to have to drive that down eventually. Oh, that would be so nice. I think that's probably looking at like, you know, two to $3,000 for your freeze dryer right now. Obviously, you can air dry hash, and you can make that work as well. But the environmental controls you need to dry hash in an ambient room without it collecting dust or dander because of the static from the resin itself. It's almost as much infrastructure to do it right and clean you need a clean box. You need to be able to clean your air in your room. You need to maintain a humidity and a temperature. It requires equipment as well. You know, the way that I got

into it was I outsourced my material, so I had a dude on Instagram that was willing to accept my garden, and he took a small toll process, and I was able to, you know, at least figure out the strains that worked before I committed my own garden to it, and then bought a bunch of equipment, and then had subpar yields, and wasn't able to actually, you know, have any medicine for myself. At the end of all that, it would have been much harder to get into. That's a good point. I would say the first thing. So, like, you're right, two to $3,000 it's a lot. That's that's a lot of money to invest in. This thing that I'm always saying, Oh, it's so much cheaper to grow it's so much cheaper to grow your own, if you're getting into rosin, this isn't, this is an expensive thing that being said, not super expensive compared to other hobbies. Like, there's plenty of hobbies out there that, you know, far more money, you know what I mean, just so you know, saving up two or three grand for this hobby, not the worst, not the worst, craziest spend. I would encourage people to do that, but I like what you said, which is, lean on community. Can you and four friends that grow all pitch in on this freeze dryer, so now you can all use it when you need it, right? Can you give your trim or harvest to somebody else who's processing, like you said, for a small percentage, or even, like I said, just make friends and see how you can contribute and engage with the community. And then you're not just, like, buying this thing out, right, spending a bunch of money and then running it for the first time, like you said, having that big learning learning curve, you're much better off relying on the community and your grow mes to get started. So I like that. That's a good piece of advice for sure.

And you know, if you are aware of how to select hash plants, and you know what you're looking for, and you know what you're pulling down is well grown and will wash your grow will probably pay for it the first run. That's true. You know, if, if you you, if you have a plant that washes, well, one four by four can produce more than you would realize, and hash.

And the thing about rosin is it's so hard to scale that rosin solves the biggest problem when it comes to to the problems that flour has on the market, which is inability to move it right. There's such a surplus of flour that it's hard to get rid of, but when you convert it into rosin, I've heard people in the industry tell me this before. They say, I actually make less money like per run on the rosin, but it goes out the door like that, because it's so hard to scale up and so hard to find. So you're right. If you, for sure, have a good cultivar, and you kind of get get a little practice and knowledge under your belt, that first run is probably going to be extremely bountiful and and, yeah, if you're doing it professionally, you'll be able to move

that product. So, oh yeah. And, you know, the way that I've always kind of done the math, if, if your plant is washing at at least 3% so it's doing around 2% to rosin, that will be about the same as selling the just the flower. It needs to hit above 2% to be more profitable than the flower. For me, that

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let's talk about these numbers, and let's talk about strains. What percentages do you like to see? I love that you started with, like the actual percentage of two or three. What are some of the percentages you're running right now? What's the highest return you've ever seen? Ever seen? Just talk to me about returns.

So I like to talk about it in regards to, like, grams per square foot. A lot of people talk about their wash percentages, but then they don't talk about how much biomass they're actually getting out of the space that they're growing in. So don't get, you know, you can have a five to 7% plant that, true, yields one to two pounds per light, and you're still getting, you know, 10 grams per square foot, which is acceptable, like, it's not like, that wouldn't hurt, like, if you're a four by 416, square feet. So 10 grams per square foot is 160 grams of Oz for a four by four. That's incredible. We're talking five plus ounces of ash.

Yes, nothing to see that. But what do you like to see? 1010? Is a good number, but what do you what are you pulling? So

anything above 13 is what I really like to see. I have a couple plants. So I have one plant called, it's called Colonel Kim. It's actually a specific cut that we hunted from the Colorado Kim, rbx three from ethos genetics. I had a grow assistant that was writing out my labels on my plants. And it was C, O, L Kim for Colorado. And he's, he asked me, he's like, Who is this Colonel Kim. So it was the nickname right

there. That's amazing. Yeah. So

that plant, it will yield upwards to 18 grams per square foot. It's incredible. It's been one of the best plants I've ever found. And to be honest, the gene pool does not represent this plant. There's a lot of plants in that gene pool that do not pull any numbers close to this. I

was just gonna say I think of chems, and I think of greasy, non tacky, non Sandy strains. Well,

you know, the chem D actually washes really well. It'll do 5.5% of the wash. But I don't think the other Kims do as well. You know, you can turn a greasy plant into a plant that will wash well, if you know how to adjust your environmental parameters appropriately at the right times, there's a difference between grease and wet resin. So that's kind of one of the main things I wanted to talk about, was just knowing how to actually select a hash plant.

Oh, please, yeah, yeah, you're right on the right course. Talk to me more about the consistencies that we're looking for.

Yeah. So what I like to do is I like to use black gloves, particularly black, not blue. I like to see the resident on the glove when I touch the plant. You're wanting to get that plant as close to ripeness as you can before you do this, because you don't want to go in there and start doing glove test at week six. And then things change. Things will change. So what you do is you just touch the resin, touch the plant, and when you look at your fingers, you will either have intact resin, you'll have some intact resin and some smears, or your fingers will be physically wet. The ones that are physically wet will never wash, never, ever, ever, don't even put them in. Don't even try. You will have to clean your bags. It will all just go into the water, into solution, and you won't get a single gland out of that wash. Things that have some resin and some smears are what people usually describe as greasy. Some people call them tacky, greasy. Those are plants that require a and more advanced grow to be able to pull off appropriate numbers. I remember one in particular was from bloom seed co it was the sour garlic cookies. It was kind of greasy, but people ran it for hash all the time, even though it was greasy. So you needed to know, you know, you needed to drop your temperatures at the low at the end of the grow, but you also needed to maintain BPD at the same time. So if you're dropping your temperatures, you now have to lower your humidity to the exact. Percent same, you know, 1.1 1.2 wherever your VPD was previous, you can't just let your humidity get high in comparison to your temperature. That

petrification process towards the end of the Grow will help those greasy strains remain more intact. As far as the Trichome not rupturing and things of that nature,

certainly, yeah, you want things to kind of ripen evenly. You know, at the tops of your plants, generally you'll have the resin will be more ripe than the resin at the bottom of the plants, right? And that was really frequent when people use HPS or a lot of lights that put off a lot of heat, because the heat would, you know, help ripen the resin in its own right. I didn't even think about So, yeah, so that doesn't occur as much with LEDs, but it still does occur some, obviously, if you're pushing that eight to 12 inches from your canopy, so you want to lower the temperature once you finish the ripening stage on your plants, and you're just kind of hardening them off that last one or two weeks where most people you know used to flush or whatnot, that's when you start to kind of lower your temperatures, lower your humidity, and let things kind of just hang out and ripen uniformly. Obviously there's going to be a slight hit to your biomass with lowering your temperatures. Because, you know, obviously temperature is one of the leading factors to just photosynthesis. But the resin is all there at this point. If you're if you're harvesting for resin, you're not getting that much more resin in the last week or two, right right now you're just trying to maintain everything at the best ability. Wow.

So if we're in a controlled space, and we have, let's say AC and things like that, we can really drop that down. Do you recommend adjusting the light intensity at all?

Well, it really depends on if you're unable to maintain the right temperature or not. You don't want the lag to become a stressed right? So if you can't, if you can't reach VPD while you're lowering your temperature, so if you don't have the ability to dehumidify your space to the appropriate level, right? And you're still a little bit too high, that will be the catalyst for something else to become something that's stressful. You know, in a perfect world, you don't need to lower your light intensity, as long as you're around that 800 to 1000 PPFD, if you're running high CO two, that's not something I have a lot of experience with with hash making specifically. So I'm not exactly sure how to recommend people go about adjusting their CDO two and their lights at that point, because I know those two things are kind of closely connected,

right? No, no, that's good stuff, man. This is all really good advice. Let's back it up a little bit though. The glove test so you wait until your plants are nice and ripe and you put on these black latex gloves, do you just go in there and just man handle the flowers, like, what is the actual testing process there? So

I like to just touch a sugar leaf, just with between my thumb and my index finger. I'll just touch the sugar leaf. When I'm going through a few 100 plants, I try to use just one finger per plant, so that I can get, you know, 10 to 12 plants per glove. But if you've only got, like, a four by four, I would just, I would just take the glove off, or maybe use your couple of fingers. But like, you can just, like, take your pinky finger and touch the plant, and it will give it will give us it'll let you know and study that

what's left over on the glove. I have never heard that before. Man, I'm sure people are doing this, but you're the first person to

say so that's the way that I go through my Pheno hunts when I'm running, you know, my last Pheno hunt when I went through my modified moose rehearsal, I did 800 plants last year, so I had to do the glove. I couldn't possibly jar test everything. So I have to kind of have something to eliminate a large amount of the population before I have to go through the labor

of Jar testing things that down in dirty tests. I want to get into that modified moose for sure. But you mentioned, like some are straight up wet, and I know what you're talking about on those. And people get so sad when they get low returns on those. Man, they're so bummed out when they're like, what happens to all my stuff? So, so avoid the wet ones. Yep.

So you can usually assume that most sativa plants are going to have that wet resin. Jack Durbin, ghost train, haze, all of these things, in my experience, have had some of the wettest resin that I've ever I've ever touched sativas. In the hash world, we need, we need some dedicated people that can deal with smoking sativa hash to dive into that, because that is a lot of anxiety, and I don't know if it's for everybody,

those racier strain. You're right, you don't see those, and you're saying it's because most of the indica, quote, indica strains that we've been working with are the good hashers, the Afghans, the Pakistani, yep, those types of things, those those building blocks with the more resinous plants, in general. I've

even heard that there's some Colombian in the Kim D, as we are in the Kim stuff, as well. So maybe even some of the more Mexican stuff, depending on the variety, may actually have the right resin as well.

But also, we were talking off air that you know, just because something has a certain lineage doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be guaranteed to be a good washer, or its progeny is going to be guaranteed to be a good washer. Is that what you observed? Is it more just a numbers game, or do these hashing qualities breed true most of the time? Well,

I think it's gene pool specific, to be honest. So I have a couple examples. So I just finished a harvest of I had a strawberry guava that was hunted by my partner, and it does 4% on the wash, so it's an acceptable plant. And then I hit it with a reversed member berry that did 5.5% on the wash, and which was for the amount of biomass and Terps that the member Berry had. It was like I was blown away. It was a one percenter. I was I was I lost it to hop late. And so I don't really want to talk about it too much, but the I hate hop late. And so it's, I've lost probably 50 strings to hop late, and at this point, but I'm finally out of that boat. But back to the member Barry. It was a very standout plant for the gene pool, the strawberry guava. There's plenty of plants in that gene pool to wash, because both parents, the straw Nana and the papaya, even though the papaya doesn't wash that well, it has good resin for the wash. So I think the gene pools allow for the plant to carry that on a little bit better. So when I hunted through my member Barry time, strawberry guava. I had 12 feminized seeds, and I didn't have one out of them that wasn't pure wet on the glove test. If I would have washed any of them, it would have been less than 1% probably a half a percent return, jeez.

And it was just the dominant trait that was passed down,

yep, yep. And then, you know, and then that being said, like the modified moose. So that's a plant that I made myself. That's a reversed GMO onto a Mazar I Sharif times, land race indica. So it's real Afghan dominant cross with GMO. So I found tons of hash plants and the modified moose hybrids. So I just, you know, the gene pools were there to express the res. Man, that

is a really cool observation. That cross sounds really good, too. So it's like when you're selecting for these and you're finding the ones that do breed true, you'll have gene pools that work out well, you mentioned the strawberry guava and all these guys that are breeding just for hash, right? But at this on the same token, don't count out the unicorn where you said you've hunted through some ones that most of them come out real wet, but you'll find that one unicorn sometimes that just hashes really well,

right? Yeah, and that's, I mean, that's I mean, that's really the purpose of this conversation, is so that there can be more unicorns, because there are so many home growers that don't have any idea that they're setting on a unicorn. They have no idea. I mean, everything I do can be done in a home grow. I mean, I do grow hundreds and hundreds of plants. But when I fino hunt, I put 100 plants in a four by four. I just grow them in four inch pots, and I water them twice a day.

Nice Atta boy.

It's a dedication to the hunt. That's awesome,

man. And what are some indicators that that we would be sitting on a unicorn, kind of like you were saying before. We didn't really get to the end of the glove test, but the other end of that spectrum from the wet side, is what like straight up, salt. Like you have Kosher salt on your gloves. Are those the best washers? Exactly Sandy and like. So

the plants that I tend to select tend to be Sandy. I don't like to mess with the greasier, tackier plants, because I make my own hash, I have my own lab. I do everything myself, and it's so much easier to clean my bags and clean my equipment when none of the resin sticks to anything and it's actually stable. When I glove test my modified mousse, I can physically roll the resin around on my finger, and it won't pop right?

It's like you said. It's like grains of sand or like table salt, actually.

And the stability of it is also something to take into account, because, you know if, if you have good intact resin on your glove, but then you start to kind of manipulate it, and it pops and it becomes wet. That may be an indication. That when you do go to do your wash, you may want to agitate less, so that you don't pop your heads and you can get more out

really good stuff. Man, any advice on that agitation? I see a lot of people moving away from washing machines, I mean, for a lot of reasons. Man, people saying it's too rough. People saying the, you know, make sure you get food grade ones, because there's some that are manufactured overseas. They use inferior plastics, and it's getting it seems pretty wild. And listen, if you're arthritic or something, you might need to use a washing machine. But I'm just saying, I see a lot of people moving over to hand metal spatulas, right? What do you do? As

far as I used food. I use all of my stuff is food Gray. I hand wash as well. I'd like to be able to do it myself. You know, there is the thought of having machines help you one day when I have the ability to afford stainless steel equipment, but those Ospreys and all that equipment is, it's, it's a bit out of the reach of a home grower, to be quite honest, when

the when the washing machine costs more than your entire grow setup, right? But I think, yeah, that's kind of the smaller batches are good. You know? They're like, you'll just use a hand washing technique and get really, really good results. Do you have any like technique advice when it comes to the actual washing, motion and things like that.

Well, obviously, when you're washing, you want it to just be as cold as possible. And you know, if you don't know the material that you're washing, you want to kind of do a little less agitation on your first wash, just so that you don't ruin everything if things are greasing up, if, if it happens to be like multiple finos of seeds, and one of them has some like volatile, delimiting, dominant terpenes, you may come into a situation where the D limonene becomes a solvent In your water if you wash for the first wash at 10 to 20 minutes, you might actually start losing some yield if you let the material sit in a solvent batch. So I've had to actually swap out my water and go to a fresh fresh water for my second batch. The entire thing fresh, just to get rid of all the resin that kind of became a solvent during the first wash, and then the second wash was fine, because one of the multitude of plants that was in there wasn't a good plant, and it washed out immediately, and kind of, you know, started to become a problem. But because I knew what I was looking at, I just I solved the problem. That

is fascinating, man. So there's a lot of like, biological and chemical reactions going on that you just it sounds like someone

like, that's why selecting hash plants, it's key, yeah. It's all about selecting that, right, that proper cultivar, right? Yep. And though, you know, once you get your glove test done, there is a second test that needs to be done. It's the jar test. So that's the thing you see most people doing is just taking a standard amount of material fresh off their plant and then freezing it. So to prep that material, you want to just take probably, you know, I usually do about 10 grams fresh Rosen. Basically, you're doing kind of a light, wet trim on this material. You want to cut the leaves down to where the resin starts. So if you're growing something like peanut butter breath or Oreos, there's really no trimming that needs to be done. The resin is out to the tips of the sugar leaves anyway. So you just kind of clip it off the branch into the turkey bag and go about your business. But things like things like the strawberry guava that was papaya dominant, or things like blueberry that are really Leafy. It requires so much extra prep time to do that, and you have to kind of cut that leaf material down to the resin, just to kind of guarantee that you are getting an accurate depiction of the yields. I like to freeze a standard amount. So whatever you choose. So if you choose seven grams, the first time, choose seven grams, from then on, you want standardized amount, because you don't want this harvest to do seven grams and shake it. And then next harvest, do 10 grams and shake and be like, Oh, well, this one did so much better. And then you forgot that you did seven the harvest before. Really good point. You just want to do the standard amount. From then on out

the standard amount and doing a fair comparison of the samples. Don't leave on a bunch of make them comparable. Don't leave on a bunch of you know exactly.

So, yeah, if you have one that's real cookies dominant that has a really good calyx to leaf ratio, and you don't really have to prep anything on it, but there's another one that's really Leafy, you do want to do your due diligence and make sure that you prep the leafy one appropriately so that it it, you know, lose your unicorn. You. You know, patches, because that's papaya. If, if I was growing a garden today and papaya was in it, I would never select that plant. Yeah, ever it does two to 3% max on the wash. It's Leafy, it's short. It's not something that the modern cannabis scene would select. So you kind of have to do your due diligence so things like that don't slip through, slip through the fence anymore.

That's really good advice, man. And then finish the thoughts on the jar test,

course. So yeah, once you prep your sample, you need to freeze it for at least 24 hours. I just use like a, like a standard sandwich bag. I don't zip it or anything like that. You want it to have open air while it's freezing. Once it's fully frozen, put it in a mason jar. I usually use, like a pint mason jar. I don't like to use quartz, because they're a little bit too big for my hands to shake, and then my hands start getting sore. Granted, I'm shaking like 20 to 30 at a time, but I would just use a pine mason jar, and I would fill it about halfway up with ice, and then put your material in it, and then fill it to about the 75% mark with water. You want to have a little bit of airspace in there so that you can agitate it and shake it. And then I would just put that jar in the refrigerator for about 10 to 20 minutes. That's why everybody forgets. When you're actually making ash, you want to let your material kind of soak in the water a little bit. And that's never really talked about during the jar test. So like when I'm actually making ash, I get the fresh frozen out, I throw it in the water, I cover it with ice, and I set a 10 minute timer. If I know the material is super stable, I'll set a 20 minute timer, and then I'll prep my bags, and I'll prep my trays and get everything started while that's soaking. Do you kind of want to imitate that exact same process while you're doing your jar test? You don't want to just start shaking it because it will be in the water longer during the wash than it would be in the jar test if you don't do it this way. And there are some variables that require everything to be the same. So if you're doing your jar test, and you get done shaking it, and a few different things can can happen make real clear, or it can be real foggy. If it's real foggy, that means that your resin has some like D limonene or some piney or something that is perhaps, maybe your resin glands aren't stable, maybe your terpenes that are dominant in the actual strain itself are water soluble, and they become a solvent. There's a wide array of things that can happen that you won't know would happen if you don't let it sit in the water for the right amount of time. So you let it sit in the fridge for 10 to 20 minutes, bring it out, shake it. So I like to do 10 minutes total shake time. And I'm shaking pretty hard, not so hard that it's like, like, physically exhausting, but at the end of the 10 minutes, you should be glad you're done shaking. And then at that point, I just put it back in the fridge to settle. The fridge is the best place that kind of mimics the cold room. If you let that jar set back out on the counter, and you're in an 80 degree room, that's not the same as a cold room. So you want to just make sure everything is as close to the possible as it will be when the actual hash is being made. Jeez. Yeah. So there's just little variables that aren't really being talked about, because people who don't make hash are telling people how to do these things, right? And it makes sense,

though, and like you're saying, what you're trying to do is mimic the actual test, right? Like you're trying to get as close to a control as you possibly could, of

course, yeah, and so, again, mentioning a control. That's the second part of this chart. Test is so whenever you find the best plant that you have, take an extra seven or 10 gram sample so and just leave it in your freezer until your next harvest, so that you have it as a control to shake against the ones from your next harvest, so that you know, you'll wash this plant and you'll know it's maybe a three or four, maybe it's a one, and you'll at least know everything is better than a one or it's not this. Don't wash these. These aren't as good as that. You know, the main thing about hash is the high like, there are too many people out there that are selecting hash plants, and then they they know how to do a glove test, or they know how to do a jar test, and they know the the wheat is fire, because they grow it and they smoke it. But they don't actually. They ever get it made in the hash, so they don't really know if the hash is good or not. Like, obviously, the hash is going to be okay. It's a good plant. It's going to be okay. It's a modern cannabis plant. But, like, that's the reason I actually breed hash plants, is because I was tired of growing clone. Only is that just didn't do it for my partner. Yeah, like they were just either TURP less and they didn't really modulate any effects, or they just didn't have the right effects, and it was so hybridized and watered down that you didn't really have anything specific happening other than just being high. That's so true. It should give you different effects than just smoking some flour, absolutely

and and to your point earlier, you know, the good flower strains and the good hash strains, a lot of the time, are not the same strains. I can't tell you how many amazing samples of rosin I've gotten. And then when I go to try the flower, it's good. Like you said, it's, you know, it's modern cannabis. It's definitely good. The duck confit was definitely delicious. Flour, don't get me wrong, but the rosin it made was legendary. The big kid OG was was good flour, but the rosin made was legendary. The Pam Anderson too, which I think is related to the big hit flowers, good rosins, exceptional, you know? Yep,

that's the difference. Is like going through the full spectrum of the actual Hunt is you have to smoke it, just like how everybody says you have to smoke the flower, you also have to smoke the hash. So you have to have a certain level of tolerance to hash in general, to go through this process, to select these plants. Yeah, that's

true. That's true. Man, you need the tolerance just to smoke all the strains

I probably would smoke, probably about two grams a day of rosin right now. It's I think I don't smoke that much compared to a lot of the people I see, but I'm only smoking the things that I grow and breed so that I can know what's up.

Yeah, it's hard work. Man, someone's got to do it. You got to get through I've been there, bro, it's, it's that's living your passion. Man, I love to see it, and the ones that have the real passion for it also have the best taste. These, these guys, such as yourself, these these breeders out there, these rosin makers, they're the taste makers of this generation. And if you got good taste, people are gonna come back for your products. So we do have a little bit of time speaking of good taste. Let's just talk strains, man. Let's talk the best strains to wash, as far as like building blocks of other strains. Let's talk strains that you've made that you'd like to highlight here on air and encourage my listeners to check out and wash. What are your favorite washers?

Man, that's such a that's such a good topic. I have so many strains that I love. So my favorite is the colonel Kim I mentioned that before. That's that Colorado Kim, rbx three from ethos genetics. It's just so potent. It just hits all of the boxes. It tastes like burnt rubber and gasoline. The very first time I was harvesting it, I thought my partner was, we don't smoke cigarettes. We don't do anything like that. And like, it smelled like somebody was smoking a cigarette in my house while we were fresh trimming it. It was, like, very off putting. But it's like an off putting that makes you come back. There's the modified moose. So that's my kind of, like, my current favorite, favorite, the colonel Kim. She's like, it's hard to choose. They're both. They're both, like my children, yeah, but the modified moose is a plant that I selected because it finishes outside on october 1 here in Colorado. It's dependable. That's how I would say. It only hits about 5% on the wash, and it finishes indoors at about 48 days. I'm like, it's done, done, like, I'm talking like five to 10% Amber. It flowers so fast that you would, you would think you forgot when you've actually flipped your tent. It's like, surprisingly fast when you grow it outside, it tastes exactly like cheddar cheese. Like, oh yeah, it's, it's wild cheddar cheese. And then when you grow it indoors, it has like a, like a blueberry fruited Brie kind of thing going on, like, some sweetness comes out of it that you don't, you don't get as much of the cheese without the sun, but it's still kind of there. It's just so distinct when you grow it outside with the sun that it's like cheddar, whereas there's like a sweet fruited note to it when you grow it indoors. So that was one I bred myself, rather than, like, the kernel being one I just hung. Did so in 2019 I left the actual cannabis scene recreationally, and I kind of came to the CBD scene. And I joined a company that was trying to bring modern day THC dominant cultivars, terpene profiles into the CBD world. And one of the plants that they had that they were trying to use was this thing called chocolate cream from 00, seeds out of Spain, wow. And what it is, is a Mazar I Sharif times, quote, land race indica, unquote. So it's just like an inbred Afghan, and it was like Thanksgiving, like rosemary and Turkey and broth, like It's so savory and specific. And it was one of the very first plants that I grew for hash rosin, and I sent it off. And that was when I had somebody else doing my processing for me, and when he gave me the rosin back, he was like, that was one of the most stable plants I've ever washed. Like, I didn't have to clean my bags, my spoon didn't have a single resin gland on it. And right then I knew we had something special, because it was it was one, it was effective for my partner. Two, it finished in like 52 to 56 days. And it was a narrow leaf indica that did not stretch it like stayed the exact same size. Wow. So it had some unique features to it. So what I did was I hit it with a reverse GMO, the complete opposite tall, 12 weeks short, six weeks, I thought I would be able to really find chocolate cream in the gene pool, and I did my hunt outside. So I flowered everything outside, just for the ease of everything. And this plant was done so much sooner than everything else that it stood out. I ultimately had three keepers from the original modified moose hunt. But I think I said earlier in the interview that I had dealt with hop latent virus, and I Yeah, actually my chocolate cream mother was viral when I made the seeds. So two of my three keepers from the modified moose tested positive after I finished the hunt, and I went and sent off testing after I finished, found my keepers. But you know, to be fair, I'm glad I have the one I have. She has been one of my favorite plants. And you know, my partner can grab that jar hash, and she knows she's going to feel better every time she takes a dab of it. It's perfect for her.

Is it high in CBD? Does it test high?

Oh, no, no, no. So I work for a CBD farm. So CBD does tend to work for a lot of people, but with her, she just needs physical relief. She's just so tense from having bone for her from her bone disease, that it's just chronic pain, which leads to just a litany of other effects. So it's not necessarily the TV CBD, but it's the right terpenes and the right amount of THC that just hit the right thing for her. It may not work for everybody. In fact, I've let somebody else grow this plant. I've only let one other person grow the modified moose. And a pain patient that I know of actually tried it, and he said it was really uplifting, and it like helped him through his day in that regard. And it was like, it's very narcotic for my for my partner. So I think it's just different strokes for different folks. Like, I think that's just kind of what

he needed. That's true. It affects everybody differently. Absolutely, two complex biology is interacting. But what a story. Man, that's a wonderful lineage, and your inspiration for doing it for your partner, for medical reasons, all the good tips that you shared on this show so far. Man, just absolutely incredible from the glove test to

go back to the washing part, please. I just like to mention, real quick, there's a guy on Instagram named Humphries hashish. He has a website called the fine art of hashmaking.com if anybody has any questions about anything, that's one of the best spots to go for referencing. It has a forum. It has all sorts of different courses and all sorts of different things to look up. No affiliation, by the way, I just he's one of the dudes, maybe

a future guest. Yeah, I appreciate those resources as people want to get into this. You know, it's a good place to get started. And of course, you need to do yourself a favor, if you're listening right now, and go follow. J L S monster on Instagram. That's the place you need to go. J L S monster on Instagram, give him a follow, hit him up. Check out that modified moose. All the work he's doing. Any questions you have, send him a message and tell him you like. Today's episode, because this was definitely one of our more in depth hash episodes. And the things that you said we had never heard on this show before, those were all new angles when you talk about, I got plenty more to say for next time. No worries. Hey, yeah, for just the way that you approach this, this art of hash making. Man, so yes, we would love to have you back on for sure, we can talk more. I mean, listen, I can talk about hash all day. Man, so does that about cover it, though, at JLS monster on Instagram. That's the place we want to send them. Where else? Where else, any websites or anything like that. Yeah.

So I'm, like, I said, I breed for a company called threes genetics reserve. You can find us at threes genetic reserve.com the link is in my bio on Instagram, if you want to check it out, and that's where you can find any of my seeds. The modified moose stem line is currently up. Everything is fully tested. I think I said I ran over 800 plants from those feminized seeds last year, so they are fully tested.

Nice. Yeah, I appreciate that you do the testing. And seems like everything you're doing is really on the up and up. Man, so check it out. Everybody. Link in bio, and that's threes, T, H, R, E, E, S, plurals, threes, genetics. Thank you. J, l, s, monster, this was a great episode. Farmer John said that you were a wealth of knowledge, and he was absolutely right. So thank you for taking the time to speak to the Grow cast, audience. Man, we'll, get you in our Member discord and have you check out the hash room. In there, another great forum where people are,

yeah, man, I'd love to I'll be active in the I'm pretty active on most communities I'm a part of, so I'll join up.

Yeah, that sounds great, man. And of course, now that you're a guest, we'll get you in that discord free. So thank you. JLS, appreciate you, man. You have a good rest of your day, and we'll have you back on real soon. Okay, nice. Hope you have a good day. Jordan. Sounds fantastic. And you listeners, you have a wonderful day. Be safe out there, of course, growcast podcast.com, for all the things you'll find, the membership, the seeds, it's all up there. Special. Thank you to the members. Everybody, go check it out. That's all for today. This is JLS monster, Jordan River, signing off saying, be safe and grow smarter. Bye, bye. That's our show. Thank you so much for tuning in, everybody. Thank you to JLS monster. I know you guys enjoyed that show. We've got some good hash content on the way in addition to today's episode, so stay tuned. Don't touch that dial, of course. Growcast podcast.com, that's where you need to go. Get on the email list. It's free. I'm sending those out every week. You guys will love what I have planned for that email list. So go and check it out. Also. You'll see the membership there, the seeds, the classes. We got a bunch of events lined up. Very, very excited. I'll be dropping some update episodes, so stay tuned for those. And Happy April Fools with the Dan Bilzerian episode that was really funny. A couple people thought that was real. Gotcha Be safe out there. Everybody see you next time, bye.

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