Well, I think that they are a very public face. Jeanette, and, yeah, just a face. Your public face can be, I think, a true agent of change. And it doesn't have to be, you know, wow, we're going to just, you know, go rip the CCC, a new one. It can be that we recognize that there are some ways we need to modernize our organization. That would be a huge statement right there. I mean, if those words came out of, you know, the previous president's mouth, I would be aghast. I mean, it would just be amazing. But right now, it is very much, as I said, just an organization that delights in just, you know, throwing down accolades about our advocacy. And don't judge us by our results, just judge us by how much we praise ourselves. And so, can the President be a change agent? I think so. And I've often said it institutional change is a incremental thing. And so I would like to say that maybe, you know, Perry will be that instrument of change. I, you know, sitting here looking, it's a, it's a very nice CV, with a lot of diverse experiences. But, you know, I guess sometimes I want somebody that's been kind of close to the trenches in the last few years, maybe not to be president, but just to be on the board. And certainly is approachable, because we've had some encounters in the past with some of the board members who are, I think, prickly is perhaps the word that I would apply, not nice. I would not nice. I mean, you know, very, very quick to not even, you know, you can be respectful. But some of them have been quick to just block, you know, flat out block, yeah, just block your ass on Instagram, if you just say hi, so, you know, okay.