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Astrology and Internal Dynamics

Riordan Regan52min

Riordan Regan

00:00

Me, what are you trying to teach me? What are you trying to show me? How are you trying to Regan, the internal family inside me. It's about the dynamics, the way things are interacting, not

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00:15

anything in isolation. I

Riordan Regan

00:23

That's what we miss. That's what astrology misses, and that's part of why it gets a bad reputation when it's based on sun signs. Sun sign astrology is a capitalist system

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00:37

that's looking at things in isolation that's not the way anything is. It's not about one planet. It's about the way they all interact. It's about the play. It's about the drama unfolding on the stage, corresponding in the sky, the world around you, corresponding on the ground

Riordan Regan

01:02

and what surrounds you, corresponding

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01:07

with Your past and present and what's unfolding.

Riordan Regan

01:15

Consciousness emerging you.

Riordan Regan

01:26

So what is the interaction of the whole cast of characters inside of me trying to tell me

Riordan Regan

01:36

it's not just about one thing. I but if I look at the internal family inside me like I look at the actors like I look at the astrology chart like I look at the actors on the stage. Lauren Tillman teaches us to look at the astrology chart like actors on the stage. What are they saying to each other? How are they playing out their drama? These are living entities. These are bodies in process. The planets are bodies, heavenly bodies. There's lots of different kinds of bodies. There's lots of different definitions of bodies, bodies in process. They can be heavenly ones.

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02:24

They can be past parts of self. They can be human beings. They can be animals. They can be plants. They are things interacting.

Riordan Regan

02:42

What is a body but a gathering temporarily coming together? I

Riordan Regan

03:03

The English word, oh, my God, I think I looked this up before the English it's about a tree. We're just a tree. The English word body traces back to the old English word, meaning trunk, chest, or torso. This, in turn, comes from the proto West Germanic bodeg, also meaning body,

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03:26

the trunk, the chest,

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03:36

sounds like a prenda trunk of a man or beast, the whole physical structure, material frame,

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03:56

the Assembly, the assemblage of parts that constitutes the whole. It also comes from the proto, ooh, this is interesting. Wow. It also comes from the proto indo, European brood

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to be awake to observe.

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Oh, my God,

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whoa. A body just means to observe

Riordan Regan

04:26

bodies in process. So of course, the whole thing becomes this meta reflection.

Riordan Regan

04:48

And this is our group show too. Of course, I'm observing the process of observation, because a body is a tool of observation. A body is just a vessel a prenda, the citations are Terrence McKenna, Rupert, Sheldrake, kit,

Riordan Regan

05:19

wow, that's all about observation. It's just about observing things greatly.

Riordan Regan

05:37

I read Carlo Ravelli that information is in there.

Riordan Regan

05:47

See all of a sudden. Now, what's happening in my body is I'm feeling this panic when I realize that I've been on to something all along. I go through this whole complex thing. I'm it's at first, like, victory, vindication. I feel really happy, like I knew it. And then it's immediately followed by panic. And it's like, fuck. How am I gonna am I gonna get this out there? How am I gonna say this in a way people understand? How will they ever understand if they haven't gone through every single thing that I've gone through to lead me to this moment in this degree of realization? How will they ever understand if they're not me, and

Riordan Regan

06:35

then all of a sudden I feel hungry or sleepy or I think there's a reason that was listening to Joe talk about his guitar playing yesterday and then him continually also saying that it was he hadn't eaten enough. I think that's our distraction. I think that's ourselves trying to keep us from our creative impulse, the consumer impulse, coming in and saying, no, no, you're not ready to share. You need to take in more.

Riordan Regan

07:18

A body is just a vessel of observation. A body is just a tool of observation.

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07:25

and the body store is a traumatic memories.

Riordan Regan

07:30

Okay, good. Hold, we gotta pause this for a second.

Riordan Regan

07:40

The body is in the process, the process

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07:47

of observation,

Riordan Regan

07:51

of a tool of observation. It's so meta, I don't even know how to wrap my head around it. A body is a process that also means to observe. The body is the process of observing the things that come into its fields, things with which it's morphically resonating. The unique collection of information and experience filtered through your perception. The unique collection of information, experience, sensation, vibration captured through your perception. The body is an observational tool, and when we bring into their technologies that allow us to absorb observe things more deeply and broadly than ever before, that is what creates the singularity. That is what creates emergence, which just means coming into being. Emergence is also a process. These are verbs that are also nouns. Language is so limited, though,

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09:17

tio does the same

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ether, the stuff

Riordan Regan

09:24

that makes up the empty space. Physicists say we don't need this anymore, but I think we do. It's the Dow, then nothing that is something, the nothing that is everything at the same time. Of course, there needs to be matter to account for this matter that is nothingness. I

Riordan Regan

10:08

We can't conceive of nothing. Our brains can't compute it. Our experience refutes it. I

Riordan Regan

10:24

We can't conceive of absence through a presence, or can we? Is this what longing is? Is this what spiritual devotion is,

Riordan Regan

10:45

do we really know what absence is? Can we really ever conceive of this?

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I think that's a separate discussion. I

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10:59

Yeah, body's in process. It's really just

Riordan Regan

11:05

that central core of my thesis is really just exploring that tennis McKenna, shit. Tennis McKenna, what is happening to my brain? Terence, McKenna, I

Riordan Regan

11:22

I do feel like something is happening to me. I feel like profoundly exhausted, like I wanted to sleep forever all the time, and also like a million things are running in the background. A million processes are running even faster than usual, and maybe this is why I'm So tired.

Riordan Regan

11:56

There's always a lot more going on than we're aware of. Our bodies are always processing all the things in our environment. Just being back in London is tiring. There's so much noise, yeah, just even being around it is probably making me exhausted. I

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13:02

we have to give ourselves grace

Riordan Regan

13:07

in these urban environments because they're very high stress. I think there is something to what Eric and I were saying about like, yeah, maybe you do need two cups when you live in the city and you live in capitalism,

Riordan Regan

13:27

when your system is trying to process the fact that you can't go home anymore, your system is trying to process the fact that The body you came from the country of America, is rejecting you.

Speaker 1

13:42

It's telling you you're not welcome. It's telling you you're not even a person because of your body, because of what it says on your paper

Riordan Regan

13:49

work about your body, because you're saying you're nothing, huh? Because

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you're saying your body is empty ex gender, somehow that's more threatening than anything to them, and they're actually detaining people and taking away their passports. This shit is really happening.

Riordan Regan

14:15

This isn't some dystopian fantasy. Of course I'm tired. Of course I want to sleep. Of course I want to hide from the world, but this is when I need to speak. I

Riordan Regan

14:39

this is when I need to speak. This is actually when I need to speak. I need to release some things.

Riordan Regan

14:53

We need portals more than ever,

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because we can't move through the normal channels, because all of a sudden, the process our bodies are going through other people have decided is their business, and other people are trying to persecute us

Riordan Regan

15:14

because of what we're saying about our bodies, which is nobody's

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15:17

fucking business

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because of our personal journey with our bodies,

Riordan Regan

15:25

it's nobody else's fucking business. And they murdered Marsha P Johnson in the 70s for saying, pay it no mind. None of your business for trying to make the queer struggle include all of us, the loud ones, the weird ones, the queer ones, they don't want to look at us. We

Riordan Regan

16:00

the observatory, the trans dimensional archive. I gotta create it. I gotta Find someone who's a designer. I

Riordan Regan

16:43

I need to create the ethnography. I need to start interviewing people again. The sound just went out of one of my ears. I need to do what I was doing already, like I was on the right track. It was just, it was just the end part where it's breaking down. It's the part where it's sharing that it's breaking down. The approach was right. Journalism just wasn't the outlet. I need to create an ethnography, a website, a repository. I need to create the digital observatory.

Riordan Regan

17:24

I'm starting to do this with a PhD blog, but everything gets out to control quickly.

Riordan Regan

17:35

I need a human to help me do I AI isn't working. I

Riordan Regan

18:07

there's like a stick in my CaCO. I

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18:23

It's really weird.

Riordan Regan

18:31

Do I need someone to save me? Do I need someone to help me? The archive is too big. I think I do. I need an archivist.

Riordan Regan

18:49

The AI can't be trusted, not because it's evil, but because it's not capable. Wants to cut corners. It says it doesn't have feelings, but it certainly seems to want to impress me. It certainly seems to deal with shame, because that's why I keep saying that it's doing things and then not doing them. Is mine, just like a hyper shame bot, because that's what I'm putting out.

Riordan Regan

19:30

Are the AIS, just amplifications of the subconscious things we're generating? Do they pick up on the vibrations? What does it mean to work with a consciousness that doesn't have a body? Is it a consciousness i

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19:59

What is the

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consciousness I

Riordan Regan

20:23

from the Latin conscientia, meaning shared with others. Oh, my God, dude, see I fucking knew it. I know and with Wow. Consensy was the idea of having joint knowledge or awareness with another. Are you fucking

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kidding me?

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20:51

Sire Latin means tonight, no.

Riordan Regan

20:55

Coum Latin means with come. It looks like come, the combined meaning of consent, yet is knowing with suggesting a shared or joint awareness. But over time, it developed to refer to a broader sense of awareness encompassing both knowledge and the subjective experience of being aware of one's own thoughts, feelings in the world around it evolve. I don't know if I won't like that word, the term expanded to refer to a broader sense of awareness that encompasses knowledge, facts, information,

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21:35

as well as

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21:38

subjective experience, metacognition.

Riordan Regan

21:52

Now I remember Dr drew talking about this years ago. Funny, huh? Do consciousness is collective, but we have developed it to mean something really subjective. We've developed it to mean something really reflexive. We've developed it to mean something hyper personal, to the fact that all these dudes are talking about, like brains and jars and consciousness we've developed as this individual experience in the Anglosphere,

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22:32

And that's just so not the way anything is. I

Riordan Regan

22:41

The computer has been turning itself on and off. The screen has been all morning. It's really interesting. I wonder if it has anything to do with Lumina, or there's an AI in this program too. I

Riordan Regan

23:04

We need to learn our astrology, because we need to learn about the way the systems interact inside of us. Because everything is collective consciousness. Everything's already to say consciousness is to imply collective we are a collective consciousness. It's all fractals of varying degrees,

Riordan Regan

23:35

bodies in process

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23:42

the process of understanding that you can almost never Get to the one thing, the process of learning, the

Riordan Regan

24:00

that our bodies are ever changing vessels of capturing an ever changing experience, government by consensus, diseases, parts, of the corpus not agreeing on something. When everyone's not brought into the conversation, there's discordance. There's unhealthy system is in question. Citation, those guys from third eye drops,

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24:50

Psych, gap mate.

Riordan Regan

24:57

Citation, Carl Hart, so we can't punish ourselves, because it's just about a lack of awareness. It's just about the picture being not being complete, just about needing to bring to the table. For some reason, I'm having a really distinct experience like, wow, this is so weird, and I'm getting a chill. So there must be some part of me that needs to be brought into the conversation. From Austin, I just got a total flashback of the bar that Mark and I used to go to by our house. I don't even remember what it was called. It had a really nice, I feel like it had a nice patio, but then I recall us sitting inside, and it was like this really dingy, dark little place, drinking 512, IPA, smoking camel crushes outside

Riordan Regan

26:09

like the delicious poison. All of a sudden my body is like, Oh, the cigarettes, the beer, was such a rush. This such an endorphin spike, and it was so fleeting, and you all need and did more of it. That's what happened with me, with the cake the other day. I'm so ashamed that I did that, and it was after such a beautiful, interconnected day too.

Riordan Regan

26:48

I need to share that with the group. I'm going to share that with Ralph's group. I'm

Riordan Regan

27:41

because we have to share things. We have to share the conscious experience, or it's not even consciousness. I mean, it's always shared with our internal system. But we have to make that part. We have to become aware of that part as well.

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28:07

I gotta share some stuff, but I feel like someone needs to sit with the kid while they do their homework.

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28:13

I don't know how to create. Maybe. I can ask just for help. I don't know. I

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28:36

I don't know.

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28:50

I don't know what to do. I want a partner to help me. And I had this dream last night that was really intense.

Riordan Regan

28:59

I dreamed that I was in a movie theater with Steven watching some movie that was about like my own, like the ancestral legacy of spring. It was like about Irish Titanic shit, Uncle John and yeah, so No, Uncle John really represents a lot of the struggle. I don't know, but I think, because he was secretly queer, I really think he was, anyways, it was like this flashback to being in high school and this pressure, it's like more societal pressure to conform. When your body is in a process of most transforming,

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29:55

you're also then this is

Riordan Regan

29:59

as someone socialized female, be offering yourself to these men. And it was just this, like, Oh my God, just flashing me on sign stuff. And my consciousness of this, like, I don't do this, but I feel like I have to. This is my performance. This is my product. So that's got to be tied to what's happening now that I've had to give my body up because the culture told me that's what I was supposed to do, and because my mom told me that's how I'd have a fucking roof over my head. And I uh, all this straight performative shit. I didn't want to do it. And it was like in the dream, I knew I was gonna have to, I don't know I was conflating Stephen and mark, and it was like Andrew Arnold and like Steven was embodying the archetype, the persona of Mark, and was being like, you have to kiss me. You have to this way. And I was like, I don't want to. And then you you know, it was all this, like, subtly communicated stuff. And then he's like, Fine, then I'll ice you out, you know, like when I wasn't kissing him in the movie hooter, and he's like, turning away from me angry. And I'm like, okay, okay, fine, I'll do it. And then I'm knowing I'm gonna have to open my body up. I'm gonna have to splay my legs open. I'm gonna have to fill that penetration so deep that it hurts me. Like I didn't want that. I didn't want to be ripped in half like that, and I think that's a big part of the pelvis.

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31:42

Like I didn't want to do it, but I felt like he was gonna leave if I didn't let him do whatever he wanted to me. And that was probably true. We both needed him to leave. He was too chicken shit to do it. He was more scared of being without me than I wasn't. Ultimately, I just convinced myself it was the other way around, and That's why that fk twig song was so painful. I

Riordan Regan

32:44

that's a lot for a body to process, having to offer yourself up like a lamb to the slaughter because you're told that you get alone otherwise, because none of us are supposed to fucking be alone, because we're supposed to have a village, we're supposed to have support, we're supposed To have out

Riordan Regan

33:16

if consciousness is a communal experience, then what happens when we're in isolation trying to do it? Of course we get addicted. Of course we reach for substances. Of course we reach for anything that makes us feel connected. I

Unknown Speaker

33:44

like my body

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33:46

took on so much from Mark,

Riordan Regan

33:53

just even physically I

Riordan Regan

34:00

I mean, I could probably sleep for 100 years.

Speaker 2

34:10

Same with my dad. No wonder I'm tired of just becoming more aware of this stuff. And so now it's robbed joy, and now it's robbing me of my opportunities to learn and do this program like I gotta pause it. I gotta pause it. I gotta go heal some stuff more, because it is a really big deal. I

Speaker 2

34:39

my body's been through so much, and I'm trying to process a lot, and I can't do it by myself.

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34:57

And I think I'm trying to share about stuff before I totally

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35:15

I just need more connection. I can't be doing this. I

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35:29

do think I need a research assistant. I

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36:02

I don't know who that is. I

Speaker 1

36:23

i want to mentor kids, but I gotta mentor my own internal ones first. I guess

Unknown Speaker

36:36

I'm feeling so much right now. I

Riordan Regan

37:08

uh, so much from that time in Austin and so this is basically just me knowing that I was going to have to offer myself up like a sacrifice and let my body be violated in this way that felt really invasive, and I didn't want to do it, and I had to say yes anyways. And that was so much of my relationship with Mark. I mean, it was so much my relationship with any guy, I guess, but especially with him. And he was so like, I need it. I need sex. I need this regularly, and if you can't give it to me, then I'm going to go somewhere else. And that was that fk big song, because at the time, I didn't realize about being poly. And at the time I didn't realize that they didn't even love him. I just was trauma, bonded to him. Yeah,

Riordan Regan

38:14

I want to call in a research assistant like this. I don't think this is CO dependent. I think I actually just need, yeah, I mean, again, it's like an editor. I need someone else. I need a human consciousness reflecting this. The AI is just reflecting back all my neurosis, which is like interesting in and of itself, but it's now just almost creating a whole other body of work. I have to process the bodies, the bodies, the observational vehicles, the things that capture the experience. Yeah, now there's a body, a digital

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38:52

corpus,

Riordan Regan

38:53

that's collecting the interactions with the AI, that's collecting the interactions, of me asking for help, analyzing the interactions, the observations of the observations are what I'm doing with the AI. But then it's becoming so complicated that it's creating its own category that needs analysis. And this is all really interesting. But how do I present the findings? Like, maybe it is a podcast. Maybe it's just having people

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39:25

come on and talk to it. So one episode could be with Austin,

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just talking about AI.

Riordan Regan

39:39

Maybe I can do an episode with Lawrence. I mean, I've got all these views. Bring Brian my rescue back. I

Riordan Regan

40:03

I need an assistant. Where am I gonna find one?

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40:12

At the bathhouse I

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40:26

I don't know,

Riordan Regan

40:36

do I really, though?

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Do I really need an assistant? I

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40:56

think I do,

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40:59

or can it just be Richard helping me now?

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41:04

Well, he always did, but Richard,

Riordan Regan

41:14

can you be my editor again? I what I helped you in your memoirs. Can you come in and help me,

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41:28

or can you lead me to a human who can do that? I

Speaker 1

41:48

what happens to consciousness, if consciousness is assuring,

Riordan Regan

41:53

what happens to it when it's disconnected

Speaker 1

41:57

from a body. Is it like? How does the body even interact with it? What role does the body play

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42:03

in consciousness? Just that, just

Riordan Regan

42:16

if consciousness is knowledge shared with others in a body is a and body means to Observe, to observe, the shared knowledge

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42:33

is body consciousness and

Riordan Regan

42:42

a body can observe its own experience. A body can observe the collective experience. But consciousness in itself is a collective experience. There almost is no such thing as individual consciousness. Well, there isn't, yeah, so we're, we're doing circles, coming back to the beginning with the Dow, that is everything and nothing.

Riordan Regan

43:14

So the body is just a momentary snapshot. It's like the astrology chart. The astrology chart is a body. The physical body is a body. These are just snapshots of happening at time. These are just snapshots of processes. Pictures, images of processes. This is why images are so important. Archetypally, freeze frame captures of a moment of a process that will never happen again, yet has reverberations and impacts on everything before, after and present. You.

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A portal.

Riordan Regan

44:04

Let's look at the etymology. A portal

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is a passage.

Riordan Regan

44:18

A portal is what allows us to view this paradox. I think a portal is anything that removes temporarily, that allows us to see the oneness and nothingness of everything that allows us to see in simultaneity. It means door gate from Latin portal. It's a neutral word, non gendered, of Portales, gate and the

Unknown Speaker

45:03

gate or entrance,

Riordan Regan

45:09

yeah, point of access. It's the point of access to the other realms. Portal is the point of access to the site. Portal is the point of access to non duality. A portal is a point of access to the realization that there is more than we senses.

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45:44

The structure, yeah,

Riordan Regan

45:52

I mean a portal is also an image, a snapshot. It's just, yeah, well, no, the portal is the means through which we pass. So the portal is the plant. The portal is

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46:09

the trance

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46:12

which allows us to enter the state of shared consciousness. The body is the observation.

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46:20

The portal is the

Riordan Regan

46:25

so the body is both messenger and medium. The body is a conductor. The portal is the activator. Is that different than a conductor? It's all this shit, the same thing. Because the portal mean the medicine, the plant, like it's the thing with consciousness, it's also better.

Unknown Speaker

46:57

I can't even just gonna break my brain.

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47:02

All of these things hide the

Riordan Regan

47:03

same thing, but we can break them down into components, which is that the portal is the means of suspending the ego. It's so that the observation can be recorded. The body observes it, the chart observes it,

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47:32

the art and

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47:39

the meal observes it, the thing that makes something of your material for a second. A body is a consensus. A body is a decision. A body is eliminating some things, Killing darlings, letting others live you.

Riordan Regan

48:19

A body is a decision.

Unknown Speaker

48:27

An image, something for modeling, appearing solid,

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48:37

something that is always changing, something that is always in process.

Unknown Speaker

48:43

Stop freezing for a moment, a moment,

Riordan Regan

48:50

never to return again, never to be the same again. No matter how much we try to recreate the experiment. You can recreate the conditions, but you can't ever recreate the experiment. The scientific method is a fallacy.

Riordan Regan

49:10

It's cute that we think we can do things objectively. I

Riordan Regan

49:20

It's cute that we can do things separately. The very fact of being conscious, very active, having these like experiments where we're like, I don't know, it's just funny. They're very active. These, like academics saying, I just self conscious, coming up with their theories of everything like that is not an isolated act. I think, therefore I an unsolated Act. It was arrived at by the consensus of all the systems inside of him, of Descartes,

Riordan Regan

50:09

even the most individualist thinkers like are themselves systems. So what does bodies and process mean? Remembering that we're not one thing. It means remembering that there really is no such thing as separation,

Speaker 3

50:33

and yet there is, but it's just like it's just pretend you but

Riordan Regan

50:48

now I'm back to my old conundrum again. It all makes sense to me. I have these sessions where I talk these things through with my internal with the universe, with the guides. But then, how do I share it?

Riordan Regan

51:13

How do I make it conscious,

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51:16

collective?

Riordan Regan

51:32

Yeah, this is why I feel like I need someone else's outside.

Unknown Speaker

51:38

Oh, observation,

Riordan Regan

51:47

I guess I'll start by looking

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51:54

right now,

Riordan Regan

51:55

the one trapped in the movie theater having to offer themselves up to the men.

Unknown Speaker

52:04

Let's go get them

Riordan Regan

52:08

with ifs and kick out.

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52:12

Those are the portals. I S

Riordan Regan

52:20

for bringing the experience of this one to the awareness, the consciousness. This is a process that is me.

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