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it's the same old faces. So about the introduction reports of members sick or in distress? Better now.
I might cough every now and then, but
I know there are people in WC who are sick in distress, but that's not
okay. No one is sick or wants to say they're sick. We do need a room like, okay, so jumping right in. We have a bunch of shit to go through, so just kind of speed through this stuff. Yep, 10 minutes. Alright. So we had our we decided last time to do rename the whatever happened to Medicare for for all town hall into a death of a left, whatever happened to Medicare for town Town Hall because we want, yeah to to make it a series, I guess, whatever we pick next after this, all right, this internet is Not helping itself right now. Okay, whatever let's click on it. Okay, so we had given ourselves a pretty broad agenda. Um, you know, welcome context of crisis, personal adversaries. Why it mattered, beyond policy building, class consciousness and local solutions. Um, I just went through and put in a bit of detail, like random details. We don't have to stick with this. This is just is just so we have more context, concrete context, when we're voting to approve this. So yeah, healthcare crisis is use usual stuff. People have no insurance, people are underinsured, even if people with good insurance, it sucks for them as well. Why is capitalism to blame profit? It's not even a market at this point for health care. We could ask for personal health care stories why it mattered and why it stalled, even the promises universal coverage. We would have control over costs. We would have freedom from employers, which is probably the main thing from a left perspective, to really lower that bar of fear that people have of unionizing. Because losing health care is a big one where people don't want to lose that we can briefly go through 2016 2020, when we were at the high point of Medicare for all. Maybe some of the problems with, you know, progressives running on Medicare for all as a policy plan to differentiate themselves from centrists, because Josh harder ran on Medicare for all, and we all know now he would never actually support it. Why stalled sheep docking sheep dogging and co optation. So despite the momentum, it's been abandoned. Kamala Harris took it up, dropped it even AOC has said any it would be a nice tactic to get public option the Democratic Party was never actually on board. Now we get California Democrats pushing the state version of it, even though it has no chance of passing, and just relying on, like a Medicare for All slogan allowed other people to come in and say, Oh, well, we have Medicare for all that want it like Pete did, and people didn't really understand the difference. So we could talk about, you know, conventional politics, where you lobby for stuff like, that's the ACA, that's conventional politics. But healthcare costs are higher, networks are narrower. There's even more consolidation than ever before. But you know, we have to go beyond just the trust busting thing that Lina Khan has been proposing, even though that was, you know, too much for both parties, we could give the example of faith in the valley of their tenant union about, you know, hijacking actual radical politics. Cost Stockton Chris wanted to include this as a local example that. People cared about but then immediately got hijacked as soon as it was in going into building class consciousness, this would be more on the education side of it's important for workers to understand their interests aren't the same as the capitalist class. Why we need independent institutions from the Democratic Party, etc, etc. Yeah, it helped people see beyond democrat, republican false choice. Not gonna read all of this, but basically, just provide people with, like, an alternative, alternative version, instead of the one like, well, maybe we can make capitalism a little nicer, like that would be the Elizabeth Warren version. Also gives people an analysis of how to actually attack it in the coordinated fashion, versus now, where it's like people think all we got is lobbying and voting, and that's about all the tools in our belt. And, you know, building hopefully having well educated and experienced workers in this field would build lasting power. There's not stuff that, like we necessarily want to do, but like possible solutions that we can present, yeah, and I think continuing to educate people about the failures of Medicare for All is important so we don't fall back into the same trap. And this is just random stuff that I was just word vomiting on. We could have, like a map of San Joaquin healthcare sector, workers, hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, etc. We could research who owns them. We could see which ones have unions, which ones have contracts coming up, try to get healthcare workers to kind of unite and, you know, link and support each other, but also have the unions include more patient demands in their contract negotiations. This was one way that the Chicago's teacher teachers union got really popular was because they were trying to also support the students. They've now wasted that political capital with a what's his name? What's your mayor? Ben Benjamin, whatever he has a 5% approval rating. Brandon Johnson, yeah, terrible. Now, the you know, you could research other cities do have, like, publicly owned healthcare models like New York City, which serves a million people with 1% in New York City's budget. Obviously, New York City's budget is large as hell. But you could see how that works. Yeah, and just, you know, if we wanted to do this, it would have to be connecting with unions across other areas, helping people unionize in those other areas, and then continuing to just educate people around kind of the past that we went down before and how it failed. But you know, whatever, it's long. So thoughts on that overall agenda, parts you want to include, parts you want to remove. And if we want to actually do this, we voted before to do it, we just, like, redid the agenda. So this would just be like, one more time. Let's approve. We're going to do it, and let's schedule a day right now.
I think it's worth trying.
I think my main feedback was, is maybe feeling like, if we do all the research of like the local hospitals, local who owns them, etc, or like, who's involved in a union, i My thinking is, what is, what would be the goal for that? Because this seems more of like a discussion, but if we are, if there's a plan to do, unless it's, like, an action potential, action step. I don't know.
It was just to present that as an option for people there of like, well, if you wanted to do something, this is a path you could go down. And it doesn't mean we have to do it. It's just giving people something more than just, like, tangible. Yeah, okay,
yeah. Only, I'm only thinking of, like, if we get sucked into it, it's like, okay, then we're just doing a bunch of research and, like, what do we do with it? But, yeah, no,
we shouldn't do any of that ahead
of time. Yeah, I kind of think maybe we should do is just start a series of these town halls on different topics, and because that'll let us get to know the community and the things they care about, and allow us to spread ideas to them of things that they could do if they were so inclined. Mind. So, yeah, I'm all in favor for this kind of stuff.
Okay,
if no one has any other thoughts, I guess, since we already did approve it, then can I get a second for, you know, approving the town hall agenda? We're not going to do all that research. It's just presentation. At the end of options, i Yes, yeah, can I get a second 10 or seconds All in favor?
I'm trying to figure out how to raise my hand.
Okay, so that was all in favor. All right, so we need to then schedule a day in March for us to do this.
Do we have quorum? I don't remember what quorum is. It's either five
or six, right?
That's fine. Quorum is six. Dope. Barely
made it. Um,
okay, so here is a calendar of March. Oh, what a beautiful picture. Nope, sorry, yep. I just want a plain calendar. Please Google stop.
I'd like to make a motion to get Harpreet a wireless mouse so he doesn't have to hurt his hand doing that all day.
Well, I like my Mac, MacBook, trackpad. Don't hate Okay, so this is the march calendar. There's no dates on it. I don't think we have anything scheduled ahead of time.
Okay, what's the calendar? What
calendar are we looking at? Oh,
can you now see it? Nope. Oh, I'm entering the wrong thing. Okay, sorry, thank you for calling me out. No, I just wanted you to open the breaking calendar. It lags and shit. Okay, there. Does that work?
Yes, I can see that. Thank you. Okay, brilliant.
So yeah, obviously we need to do it towards the end of the month, because we need to do a lot of outreach, which we'll talk about. Can we get five more minutes? Fuck it. It was 10 minutes of discussion. Okay, so, yeah, usually we do these events on,
oh, yeah, okay.
I was thinking we could do either the 29th of the fifth do. Do well,
yeah,
29th or April, 5. First of all, who is interested in like being there to put this on? I
29 sounds
good between the 29th or April 5.
Yeah, here everyone, these three, said 29th works for them. So does 29th work for the folks online?
And would we be doing it in the morning like noon,
I assume. So we always do weekend events at like 10 to noon.
Okay, I can do the 29
so 10 to noon, 10 or Tanner. Adri Riley, anyone else online? I can Okay? Sean Robbie,
not sure yet. Yes,
yeah, me, either. Okay.
All right, and now this is just more of a discussion topic that we can do for five minutes. I took these unions from our list of unions that we had for union outreach, any other unions we should reach out to, any of. Like orgs, like our like profit nonprofits, like CMC, and also, you know, we'll hang up flyers like at their places, like their workplaces, flyers in their cars, if we want. But then should we ask unions if they want to co sponsor the event or no, because I would get them on their mailing list, at least get us on their mailing list. Sorry,
I do think that like public health would be good, like the County Public Health, yeah, um, CMC, I mean, they're, they're primarily working with people who already have, like, you know, state funded Insurance. So, yeah, that could be, that might be good. There's also other, there's another FQHC in the county. SJ, health centers. FQHC is federal, federally qualified health center, by the way. So, yeah. SJ, health centers, patient organizations, yeah, I don't know unless there's like, um, trying to think of like, if there's any orgs that put on, like, the certain health clinics, um, I don't know if even EOPS health sciences or health, like they have the nursing program now, they have, I mean, they have the social work program, they have the physician the physician assistant program, a lot of those different programs, of, I don't know if, and they have, like, diabetes clinics. They have, you know, so I don't know there that might be another avenue of getting students and also other staff that they're interested. Sorry, I
didn't mean to just extend my hand. If the goal is to flyer these places, I think we should get a handle on how many flyers we can reasonably print before saying we're going to hit these 10 places and flyer everybody's cars. If we can only print like 50 flyers. It just kind of depends on the resources there. But yeah, I think, I think what you were saying about the GOP physicians assistance programs, stuff like that delta, I'm not sure what building their, their, yeah, their nursing program is, is stationed in but something like that, because then at least you're getting people that are kind of actively working towards a career in in Healthcare. But yeah, I think that's brilliant.
Anyone online. I
if there are, I could, I can think of a couple off top my head, but like elder and child care would probably be good too, because I guarantee that that's the kind of stuff that gets overlooked in healthcare a lot is, you know, there's, there's a lot of elderly homeless people out there who are not getting proper care and that kind of stuff. So, you know, maybe rolling that in would be a good idea too, because I think there's at least two different elder care organizations in stock during the San Joaquin County that I can think of.
Okay, so for the budget, hopefully I can look through Chris's update before the end of the meeting and give us a budget detail, but we can decide just, I mean, on the forum through, on how much we actually want to spend. But we should be able to get, like, 600 800 of those, like two, print, four on a page,
flyer for a couple. And like, adding them up is just takes time. So yeah,
we should be okay, all right. I think that's great list. Any other I think that's a lot of outreach already. First we get all of them to co sponsor it. Let's move it on. Okay,
wait, I had a, I had a comment about, well, I had a question. Yeah. Go. It, um, would what would be the cons of asking them to co sponsor an event? Would it just be, like the type of stuff that we can say, or what it can be about?
I think if we present them with our agenda ahead of time, in like full detail, and you know, that's on them. Then, if they co sponsor, and then they come and they're like, How dare you say these things? My,
my other thing is, you know, sometimes, like, you can have them sponsor, but like, they may not necessarily, like speak, but they're just like, tabling, or they're, I don't know, something like they're just invited to be there and but maybe they're not helping lead the discussion. I don't know, but I don't know what that conversation would look like, but I'm sure we can, don't let them, let them know that it's our event. And you know, you're, we're inviting you because you have, you know, you're in the medical field. You have students in medical field that might be interested in this topic, something like that.
Yes, good point. I think when we do outreach, we need to clarify that, like we are leading this. Because too often, all the stuff, the downfall of it is usually the socialists end up as, like, junior partners, and everyone else is, like, setting the agenda and like, the limitations on what you can say,
because the funding or will help, as long as, yeah, give you this money only if we can say this or that,
or probably this. My Calcar nurses might not even show up if we have their critique of them, but we shouldn't place limitations on what we can say for those kind of collaborations.
Yeah, I was gonna say, if we just set it, say, Hey, we're inviting you, and this is what we're gonna say. And if you don't like it, that's fine. It's fine, don't show up. That's yeah. But we should also set a meeting to design the flyer like you said. Okay,
let's set that right now.
Yeah, I mean flyer design and like, really finalizing the agenda, like, have our slides prepped at that meeting at least two weeks before. Yeah? So if we want to do the 29th we gotta start doing outreach 15 so next Saturday, yeah, so do we want to do the 13th for, like, a Thursday working meeting,
online folks. This would be a meeting to finalize the agenda, designer poster. That way we can start doing outreach, at least by the, you know, 14th or 17th, that Monday,
I should be able to make that online,
okay, 13th, yeah,
I think I can make the 13th. I'm
630 to 730 Yeah, fine, 630 to eight.
Let's, let's be honest with the time. Yeah,
okay, that's Adri. Anyone else? Tanner, Robbie and Riley, okay,
all right, well done.
Moving on. All right, so the WC article, this will be titled, it's finished Right? 30 minutes, please. Okay, so that's so small, I
Okay, sorry, there's a lot going on on the screen. Can everyone here read it? Or should I make it bigger?
I don't know how to hide the
you zoom out the screen, and then you zoom in the percentage view within Google,
not within to the left
under Tools. Oh, shoot, there you.
Thank you, Robbie. I just wanted to hide the right, but this is fine.
Oh, there you go. Oh, wow.
Our power is combined. We're one Zoomer. Okay, does someone want to just. Read the article. I don't really want to read it out loud. Okay, Adri is going to read it, so we'll just do one read through, and then we can go through kind of section by section. Okay, and we got 30 minutes, so feel free to object heavily. Okay, because we have time to discuss. I I was
always going to say, start saying in a different voice. But no, no, I can't. Alright. The spinach riot when Stockton workers declared war on the bosses, stockton's working class once risked their lives for higher wages. Many today do not know this history exists. Sorry, with all the edits, it's kind of hard, but okay, working class struggle runs deep in Stockton on april 23 1937 about 3000 cannery workers and comrades launched what became known as the spinach riot strike. These workers confronted their bosses police forces in California's governor to demand better wages, safer working conditions and basic dignity at work. The 1937 spinach riot strike, cannery workers endured 12 hour shifts exposure to toxic chemicals and low wages of 35 cents per hour, about 789 today, when management fired four union organizers, over 500 workers walked out during peak spinach season, a strategic move that halted production and hurt profits. Workers demands for fair pay, safety and representation met violent suppression, local police deputized 1200 armed civilians who attacked strikers with pickaxes and tear gas. The brutal clash left one worker dead and overwhelmed hospitals with injuries. The Strike secured some concessions shorter hours and improved conditions, but independent union recognition, a critical demand for lasting working power was abandoned by union leadership. Modern parallels, San Joaquin County workers and warehousing, agriculture and service sectors face similar struggles today, stagnant wages, physically demanding labor and corporate profits that dwarf worker compensation, employers and political elites still weaponize fear to divide us. This mirrors tactics used by the Associated farmers of California who ran quote Red Scare unquote campaigns portraying workers as communist threats when their actual demands centered on workplace democracy, dignity and respect, a complicated victory. The strike demonstrated the power of collective action, yet many workers felt betrayed when union leaders accepted a deal without securing formal union recognition. This failure left workers vulnerable to future setbacks, betrayal. That's the only voice change I'll do. History repeats itself. Corporations discourage unionization through intimidation. Politicians make empty promises while cashing checks from the same interests. Workers fight for, fight against. Many abandon, abandon, their collective power placing faith and money backed candidates like Michael Tubbs or wealthy politicians like Jason Lee. But experience proves this approach fails working people. These tactics never deliver meaningful, lasting change for us. Learning from history, real power emerges when workers organized collectively. The 1937 strikers knew this when they faced violence in person, in pursuit of better lives for themselves and their families, their courage shows what becomes possible when working people unite, building working power, working class unity builds upon this history. We make no promises of easy solutions. We do not rely on wealthy donors with political agendas. We do not claim we will fix everything for you. We offer something more valuable, a democratic organization built by and for working people. The 1937 strikers risk their lives for collective dignity, the legacy lives on in today's workplace conversations about fair pay, tenant union meetings and workers efforts to challenge powerful interests like group spans and Amazon, the working people of San Joaquin County have a history of solidarity against tremendous odds together, we continue to fight. Join us.
Wow. Hi.
Does anyone have any feedback?
First of all, I want to thank I believe. Pete was the one who wrote this, or primarily wrote this our education committee leader. Thank you, Pete. I At first, when I first read this, I thought it was a little short, but I'm not really sure how much information is actually available on the strikes. So I kind of was guessing that maybe it's a product of that basically, but I think it's really well written. And I also I don't know who did most of the edits. I'm assuming this is all one person editing this from the color of the John ski, but it's, it's really masterfully edited. I think taking out a lot of the the adverbs and like strengthening the language, I think, is really great. And the call to action at the end, I think, is pretty like, if I had no idea what WCU was, and granted, I'm a socialist, so I'm kind of predisposed to like being amenable to this message overall. But if I was to just stumble across this and read it, I would probably be pretty motivated. So I think it's great. I think we should post it ASAP.
The only thing that got me as I was reading it was, um, the part that says, We do not take, like, large money or donors, like something like that. I forget what the what was the wording, yeah, um, we do not rely on wealthy donors with political agendas. I don't know I was, maybe I was just like, thinking, like, Does it sound like AOC and Bernie and like, some of that, a little bit where we're like, oh, you know, we don't rely on large corporations or large, you know, funders to lead our cause. Type of vibe that which, you know can be good to distinguish. But it just instantly made me think of that. I don't know if that's good or bad thing, just kind of putting it out there.
I just wanted to clarify. He did hella research like multiple sources, making sure they line up, realizing multiple sources don't line up, trying to find what the actual truth is. He has, like, a detailed timeline of the strike, but me, Riley and Peter drafted it together. And, yeah, but, but yeah, a lot of credit to him for doing like 90% of leg work, for actually Getting this article
done. Yeah, I think it's good. I i The only maybe modification that I would say is maybe we should grab some relevant like pictures and that kind of stuff, and add to the other than that. There are,
yeah, he has a lot of photos online that he grabbed perfect. You can definitely class up the presentation.
Oh, I thought we were going to leave all the the Editing Marks and the i You don't want to see how the sausage is made.
Yeah, anyone have thoughts from online?
I liked it. I'll agree with uh Adrian that I don't know that one line is I stumbled over a little bit, but I don't know why or what we would do otherwise, because it makes sense. That's true.
I kind of think that the problem with that line is that it kind of weirdly implies, in some way that we're looking for money from people like the if it's like, we don't rely on wealthy donors, it's kind of like, well, then who are you relying on to? You know what I mean exactly. So I think that's what you're referring to.
Yeah, definitely. I think it's also the rely on, the rely on for what in that statement. I guess just in general, I.
And maybe even the next sentence, we did not claim we will fix everything for you. You know, I think, like, we're, I think we're mostly generally, like, I think we can have a consensus agreement on, like, we're not trying to give someone a solution, we're trying to create it all together. Um, so maybe there could be a different way of putting that as well, you know, because we don't necessarily have the answers either all the time. You know, we have a lot of shit to say, but we want other people's input and in creating the solution for everyone. So for it to say that, like we have that answer, or that we're going to be the sole yeah solution, maybe that's that can probably be changed too.
I want to second what Adrien just said. I think for a lot of people, if they were to read this, it seems like, Oh, these people know what they're doing, so maybe just adding that we need everyone's input, or something not as like cheesy as we need you, but something along those lines. But yeah, no, the rest of the article is great. I like the way that y'all wrote it and have it like divided into sub sections. Great idea. Love that. And yeah, I also agree with what Riley was saying earlier about let's have some pictures, some nice, relevant pictures. I think,
I think maybe replace, we do not claim, we will fix everything for you with, I um, we, we make no promises of easy solutions. Comma only that something to the effect of, you know, through uh, through the power of solidarity or or whatever, find a better word than solidarity, because I kind of hate that word sometimes, but like, yeah, it's we make no promises of easy solutions, comma,
but together, we can look for them, or We can find them, or something
like that. Yeah. I
This is 30 30 minutes for a reason, yeah?
Um,
yeah. I so I actually kind of think that maybe this could lead into another article about, huh, oh, I, I literally forgot after ice. Oh no, I remember now the part about the Red Scare, right? So this could probably, we could actually had this lead into a second article about the modern resurgence of, you know, anti socialist, anti, you know, Red Scare kind of stuff, and How that combines with opposition to labor organization and whatnot. Because the only thing that's, I think, missing from this is the like, the role that the government, like played in this, which is kind of, I unclear, I guess, but also might be more complicated than it's worth for the for This particular article,
I will say that this article is, seems like it's good for people who don't know anything. That's like a good appetizer into the topic. But it doesn't give a whole lot of like, you know the. Gritty details. And I know earlier that we had said that we're going to have like, a little resource thing underneath it for, like, if you want to learn more. And also we said something about, like, some education thing, do we did we want to do that for this, were we going to do that for this? Did we think about that, or do we just want to put up the article and that's it? What
was that? Last part was my I couldn't hear something about education. Oh,
because we had mentioned in like previous meetings, that for some of the articles, we also wanted to have teach in and this would be good because the article is, it gives a lot of information, but it's a little bit vague, like it doesn't get into the nitty gritty of everything. So I was just asking if we wanted to do a a teach in or did, like, did we think about it? Or do if we just wanted to, you know, upload the article and that's
it. That's would normally be like Pete's domain, but I know he's kind of in between. He's like working dealing with some work stuff right now, but if his notes are thorough enough, we could host a teach in that's on this topic. They would have to be more like vague, I guess. Or it have to be more broader than just this topic.
Yeah, that's what I was going to say, that if we do a teaching, I would say, like, let's do a teaching about other strikes, not just this one. And if we want to highlight other examples in San Joaquin County of yeah, just previous wins. Rather than just, like, look at this one only, we're going to do a deep dive. Like, I know we could probably, like, Pete could probably do a deep dive on this. Like, just even from that, that one meeting, we met in, I'm like, How did, like, when did you find the time to look at all hear about all this stuff, you know, it's cool, yeah, so it's just, we don't want it to end up being like a history lesson, necessarily. Okay? Well, you know, there's, yeah, your free time for that. I
mean, I think,
yeah, Pete does have a lot of notes, and I felt bad, because when I was writing it, it was like, he would have like, five paragraphs and be like, Okay, I'm gonna take three words from these five paragraphs. Um, but I think it would, honestly, it might even be worthwhile to have a deep dive focus on this, because the ability to talk about how, like, I mean, how the police, like, enable local people to kind of betray the workers, how all these, like farmer associations were betraying the workers and kind of, like the economy that that required, like the governor to step in because they were hurting, like profits. So down the line of like, this was actually a really good strategic decision by the union workers. And like, you can go into detail about that. And although they lost, you know, maybe if there was more backup from the community versus the community just backing up the growers that you know they might have won and and also, I think the discussion around the details of the Union betrayal are actually pretty important, and going into like deep diving into that would be useful. And I think, you know, if you give more specifics, it also gives people a chance to, you know, get into like little group and maybe come up like, maybe have them come up with the more examples of like. Do you know of any examples like, in your experience, where a local, like a union betrayed their workers for smaller benefits because they were too afraid to continue the strike or they had ulterior motives. That way we're not giving, like, a lot of superficiality. And maybe getting into like, the nuances of this would be more helpful than just Yeah, than being more broad
Yeah. I would have to, oh, sorry, Riley, were you going to say something? I was just going to say, I I would agree with that. I know we don't want it to be like a boring history lesson, but I thought that was kind of the point with writing the article on working class history in San Joaquin County. I. And if we do like what you were mentioning, Harpreet at the end of it, of hey, so here's all the things that happened and the like police depression and the oppression that they faced, and then asking them to apply it to things that they've seen, right, or things that still happen today could also, like help to make that connection of like, oh, it's not just something that happened in the past and doesn't happen anymore. And then on top of that, if, let's say, next month, we do vote on doing it, on the resurgence of the Red Scare. Then we not only, like, honed in on the specifics of this one thing, but then also expanded out on the, like, the bigger picture of what's happening today. Just my thoughts also, like, we don't even have to do a teaching. It was just the thought of, like, if we wanted to do it.
The one, one of the other things is specifically in this, one of the things that I don't think we have in the article, if I remember correctly, is you were saying how the union betrayed them, right? But the reason the union betrayed them is because they, the union leaders, knew they were never going to get a deal because the business owners refused to give up complete control of the to the union, basically. And I think that that that is like at the core of how unions have failed like working people over the last century, and so, like even just that, part of it would be a useful like teaching tool, I think So.
Sean Robbie, Joanna, any comments on the article?
No. Like said, I liked it. I do miss that. Uh, quote, what was that from the police officer in Lodi, that the only thing they understand is the gun or something, or the club?
Um, who's Wait, who? Who is the policeman talking about,
about the strikers? It was some attributed some Lodi who were arming the citizens.
Oh, okay, yeah, we can grab that quote, because we were trying to find a good quote to add on to like social media to get people to read it.
It was on page one of one of those articles you looked up, or we got from academic something, okay,
we should do a total click bait thing and be like Lodi police officer says the only thing they understand is the club and never mentioned that it's a quote from 1937
Okay? Riley said he supports that. Yeah, I think. Okay. Joanna said she likes the article in the chat. In five minutes, of us go back and we shall vote. Okay, so two votes. First vote will be to approve the edits as is, and then we'll have our final draft. Second is we'll vote to hold this other presentation, like, that's what I was saying, sorry. And then I think, yeah, and then we'll schedule it afterwards.
Is this a vote to say that what we have right now is the final draft? Can you go back to, like the last two paragraphs? Just because I think I noticed one thing, like a I think it's like a grammatical thing, last three paragraphs, perfect. Uh, through which we fight. That's, I think that's literally what I was looking
for. Okay, I mean small grammatical stuff we can go fix and post. It's more just like, This is the main message.
Approved, approved. All
right, I'll assume that means 10 or seconds, correct? Um, all in all, in favor of approving the draft and posting it, can I please get a show of hands? Oh, wow. Thank you. Wow. All. Okay, hands went up so fast. Now for Can I also get a show of hands to then develop a workshop, which we're saying will be, I mean, we can have a meeting to discuss what will actually be, but right now, we're leaning towards lean the details of what actually happened and use the details to teach broader lessons and takeaways about it. Can I get a show of hands for us to get? Or gonna get a second for Adri seconds for Yeah, holding this workshop slash presentation, whatever you want to call it all in favor, show of hands,
all not in favor.
Abstaining Tanner, abstains. All is making more work for Bess gotta make a new line abstainers. Tanner,
yeah, Tanner, how dare you do that to me. You made me have to write. I do
know how we will make it entertaining for people, but I don't want to. I'm not opposed to it happening. I just don't, I don't
know. I agree. I don't know how it'll be entertaining. This can be a bunch of union nerds. I assume we're gonna have it like a field trip to cannery. Yeah.
And we do like, little tour we give you a little tour guides, and here is where they were hitting each other with clubs, and here is where the police did, like, I don't know. I feel like there's a way. What's cogi? I've never heard of that. Sorry. I feel like there's I agree with you. Tanner, it could get really boring of us just yapping and yapping and yapping about Okay,
so I assume we're gonna want to do this two weeks after at least our Medicare for All town hall. So that would be like the 12th
Students, please. I was saying we probably need to do wait like two weeks after Medicare for all time health, yeah, so that is what I said. August 12, yeah. Does that work for other people?
August, sorry, April, April 12.
I'm not sure it
would kind of be the same thing 10 to 12.
It's kind of far out, but I don't usually have stuff.
Sorry. Can you say that again?
I said it's kind of far out, but I don't usually have stuff planned Saturday, 10 to 12, so I should be free. Okay?
I'm sorry, what is this for? Again?
April 12, yeah, so this would be the teach in for the article. So we do like a deep dive, try to get takeaways for for folks that are attending. When
are we releasing the article
as soon as possible.
Well, I, my thing is that if we, if we release it now, right, then it'll be a whole month for the teach in that's related to it is that, yeah, okay, never mind. It's good point.
I mean, we can, no, actually, you're right. We can make like weekly social media posts for the article, and then in like, in four weeks, start posting about the event as well. Okay, yeah, just to keep it in people's imaginations. Yeah, that gives people, like, a week per paragraph to read it before the event. I mean, yeah, they're gonna have to learn how to read between now and then too. So, yeah, so besma, maybe anyone else can do it for sure.
Attending that's fine.
Yeah. So we need a planning meeting. Yeah, so can we get two we can do, like a working Monday meeting on this, so maybe, like the 10th or 17th, any of those work for folks. So this would be planning the actual, like presentation that we
give, let's not do that so 10 through 24,
I So,
who I mean? Who really wants to participate in putting this together, the actual like contents of it?
Yeah, I was about to say I feel like, like, if Pete does have a lot of content, I'm not saying, like, oh, you should just do it and I'm going to sign him up for it. But if there, if there's already some work done, we can just like, hey, if he's willing to share what he has, then we can all kind of, it might save us time.
Yeah, he's written everything out already. Yeah.
Yeah. So then, then maybe we just select on the 10th what from what information or what material he thinks is also really important, and then we can all come to a consensus. And then who's going to talk about certain things, or whether we want to put a slide together, maybe the 24th might need. We might need the 24th for that stuff. I might be able to make at least one of the meetings.
Okay, then 10th and the 24th That is,
unless we want to reschedule one of them for Pete to make.
Oh, right. If he Yeah,
if he can't make it, then we can decide after but,
oh, that's next Monday. Okay,
yeah, so we should have plenty of time to advertise it, and again, if we do our union outreach that we're gonna talk about later. Those are more contacts for us to invite and just, you know, we'll just be like the the nerd group. We're just here to talk at you, um, all right, can we get 10 minutes for this? All right, almost to the big thing. Oh, my God. It's 4712 WHAT THE FUCK THE Okay, let's be faster about this. Where'd he go? Okay, so at the previous meeting for labor, for Palestine, I think the general decision was for Palestine specific stuff. Let's put it on hold for now, because we don't really know what path we want to take forward, or what path anyone is taking forward, and so we don't really have a long term strategy or anything to actually talk to people about. And so we'd switch this to whatever. I called it, the union of unions. Yeah, that's what you guys called it. And so this would just be, we're not going to contact the cop unions and cop adjacent unions, and also unions that are fucking around with their financials. But yet, this is a list of unions that people put together. And the general idea would just be like an introduction to WCU, because we're doing all these events now, like the Medicare for all, or this local labor history, it'll be good to actually get into and have a short conversation with someone from the union, versus just, you know, DMing their Instagram, like a link to our post or something. So we just talked about WCU, talk about what we've been working on, the current stuff we're working on, and just kind of just be like, keep in touch. If you have, like, a strike or an event, we'll be happy to support and we'll let you know about our stuff.
Yeah. Riley, was just saying, like, strike support is one of the first things we passed. Um, and then, like, the strikes happen here, and like, we never know when they're happening, so it would be good to be in contact with folks. Um, so really, I'll open the floor for discussion. But really the discussion is around modifying the side quest, because initially this was very Palestine focused, but now it would just be union of unions doing outreach to unions that are not copy Indians. So yeah, any thoughts, comments you?
I mean, I think that AFL, CIO and like I WW, or any of the existing like, you know, federations are probably going to be good partners if we can get in contact with them. But on that, yeah, I think it's, I mean, I was there in the meeting. You know what? I think
Joanna Sean, that's not Robbie Tanner. I
Okay,
then I'm going to, can I get a second for the motion to modify the side quest to become unions, and then we can set up a meeting day to meet to actually put together. What we're going to present to the unions when it
go meet with is that the official name the unions? Okay, thank God.
But if anyone has a better name, sure, I don't think we I don't think the names of the side quests are set in stone, but I'll second Robbie seconds, all in favor of the temporarily named union of unions side quest.
Sean, are you? Oh, mother, love it, yeah. Oh, you're good. Okay, cool. Thank you very much everyone.
I hate to say it, but until they start bombing Palestine again and people start caring, it's very unlikely that anything that we do for Palestine is going to be very effective, you know. So,
yeah, but I mean even doing this outreach with them and getting to know their people now gives us much stronger leg up. Yeah, well, next time something happens, just
commenting on why it was a change from the Palestine. Oh, yeah.
Okay, since he saved some time, that's not since you were the only one that went, did they come up with, like a they wanted, they're going to come up with a concrete plan and like timelines of what they wanted to plan. Do they have time to do that? Or no yet?
No. So the entire meeting was they had someone from the ACLU, and they were just talking about who they invited, and then they decided that it's going to be during the Labor Day weekend, just because any other option was like further, but that was pretty much all that was.
So Dave, daddy, sorry.
Well, they didn't decide yet. It's going to be on the in September, the Labor Day weekend. They're going to have, you know, the Google questionnaire thing that they have. So they have a Google questionnaire for organization, and then they're just asking them, does Saturday, Sunday or Monday work best for you? So there's no set in stone, actual date yet. Yeah, that's pretty much all that was discussed.
Best about how many people showed up to the that meeting, because I I meant to go, but I ended up trying to talk to NorCal resist about about this exact topic, and couldn't make the meeting. So I was it just like that, we didn't show up to do the planning that there weren't enough people or, or it was there something else
that they did. I don't, I don't think it was because there weren't enough people that showed I didn't know that it was supposed to be a planning meeting, honestly, I just showed up. There were, it was the usual NorCal North Central Valley DSA people, and then it was someone from ACLU, and then some other person. So I think it was like a total of
six Yes, is the same people who showed it last time. I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't that we didn't show up to the day. Then, you know, okay, cool.
They are going to start making flyers. Yeah, that was pretty much all. That was just was discussed during the
meeting. Should we just wait? I mean, we can DM them after this meeting and just say, like, let next meeting. Let's discuss these concrete things about what we're actually going to do. So it's on the agenda. Least good.
It would be nice to have a set date before we vote on it. That's it, you
know, yeah, I think we mentioned it at the end of the last, last meeting, of like, next week, next time, let's really discuss concrete stuff. Of like, what are we actually planning? Um, but yeah, I guess I just kind of got moved off. But okay, so are we? I will say that in
the intervening period, at least like three or four other organizations have showed interest in doing it. So it does seem to have a relatively broad appeal just planning. It seems to be, you
know, quite a bit more people, sorry, sorry. Quite a bit more people had signed on from also they're looking for venues. That was the thing that they were planning. So if anyone knows venues, let us let them know. Well,
actually, that was the main when I talked to NorCal, is this? That was actually the first thing they asked? Because they're like, hey, might be we might be able to help find a venue. So we'll see.
Okay, then, Oh, beautiful. Can I just get a second for tabling this Until next month, when we get more information, and me, Riley or bessma will go to the next meeting and make sure that actually gets discussed. So basically, it's getting more details on like, what are we actually doing? Where are we doing it? How much resources do we think we need? Yeah, when so can I get a second for tabling this place? Oh, 80 seconds all in favor tabling.
Can I also add that during the during the meeting, they were saying that in terms of how much it'll cost orgs that are helping to organize it, they didn't want it to be a thing of like, if you are helping to organize, or if you are participating, then you have to pay. It's just whatever you can give. And the person from ACLU was like, we can give quite a bit of money. So even if we do organize it, or if we do participate, we don't and we don't have the funds. They said that they're cool with that.
If we, if we do end up voting to participate on it as like a full partner, we could suggest to them that we do a fundraiser, right? Because that would at least minimize the amount of money we have to put into it, from our from our dues.
I told them that we should do a fundraiser, but there was like, No, there's still, it's just said there was no planning or anything about that.
Okay, just have a co you do it, waste those libs money. Okay, next big thing is the tenant union focus campaign. 30 minutes, please. I
have to leave like right now. Is there anything else important that we're
voting on? We're renewing the tenant union campaign.
Okay, alright, let's do it. Let's do it. Okay, run it well,
okay, I'll flip it around so you can hear the updated plan, and then we'll do reflections at the end. That's probably a better way to do it anyways. Okay, so me and Sean met the other day for like, two hours and kind of revamped how we wanted to approach the tenant union stuff. So we've been very narrowly focused on cow villa, and it's been a bit of a time sink. Not that we want to abandon cow Villa entirely, but we have to broaden our horizons past this neighborhood. And so one key thing we want to talk about was being much more aggressive in how we're organizing in almost every facet. So our idea was the initial outreach that we the way reach out to people is through these tenant eating workshops. And so we have an outline of what we want to do at attending workshop ready. And so basically, we identify pockets of Senate King County that have a bunch of properties that we're interested in, and by interested in, we've downloaded a catalog of like, all the, all the landlords that own multiple unit properties, and the some of them are, unfortunately, like LLCs. So we have to dig a little bit further into the records to see who they actually are. And the idea would be, let's find properties that are either of owners with multiple like units or buildings throughout the city, people who may be well known in the community, people who may be politicians, even people like landlords that at least live here, because the problem with cow villa is half the board lives in the bay, and so we can't take tenants on a bus ride to the bay to go protest in front of their house. Yes. And so the idea would be to have these pockets of Stockton where we go. I mean, the town halls can either be or the workshops can either be here, or if we can find another place, great, like nearby, but I think it'll probably be here, because we can't ever, we can never find someplace. We just do flyer drop offs. So just be flyer drop offs on their doors. Of like, here's an attendant union workshop is it has an updated tenant flyer that we had worked on that I think is pretty good. We can look at it later if we have time, as well as putting flyers around the neighborhood. So this is where a budget will come in a little bit. We talked about how we'll leave, like a white square on the flyer that we can print labels of like different days and times of when the workshop is, but still have the same kind of high quality law from the union shop. So we do milk, we do bulk firing, fire drop off in multiple properties. You know, with experience, we'll get an idea of like X number of units results in X number of attendees. We can still do social media. We can do targeted social media advertising. It's not super targeted, but at least it'll be like, like a five, I think it's a 10 mile radius of Stockton that's going to hit. So it's pretty broad, and we can talk about additional outreach strategies in a bit. The idea with doing the workshops is when people come. Hopefully it's someone from a property that we care about, and it's also someone who is motivated enough to haul their ass all the way to a workshop. And so someone who's has a hopefully a bit more incentive to, like, participate with us than the folks that we just talked about their door. And so that's like two screening tools of like, one, it'll hopefully be a property that we care about. And two, we're already talking to someone who has higher motivation than, like, most people we've talked to so far so at the workshop, yeah. So before the once you talk to this person, hopefully this person has, like, a systematic issue in their building. So it's something like mold. It's not like my dishwasher is not fixed, and like everything else is fine or something. So we have to hope for that if, like, none of that comes through, I think that's fine, like we can go on and go somewhere else. Like this is part of being aggressive, of like, being willing to drop and go to the next place without, you know, just desperately trying one spot over and over. So if we do find a spot that works, we spend one week before just doing research on the landlord. We can look up see if they have any records in the county. We if we can figure out county records, that would be great verify they don't have a fucking HOA. So, and then the initial contact in week one would be, we'll pick two days. And since these are hopefully smaller properties with, like, maybe 20 units, maybe 30, like, two of us can go in Canvas. We don't need to, like plan these days where, like, an army of us have to go to, you know, knock on all the doors. Um, yeah. Army of seven people, so the hope would be okay,
I vote yes. Goodbye everybody. I love you. All right,
your vote has been delegated to everybody. It can't it's fine. I mean, we don't need it. It's fine. We still have quorum, barely, um,
forum was actually five. So we're really good.
We're good. Okay, So week one would be, we schedule at least two days to visit the visit the place, one early, one later in the week. It could be a weekend, just depending on availability. Me and Sean had a lot of luck visiting cow Villa at noon on a weekday. And so I think it's really important that we do a noon weekday sometime. We hit a brand new population, people that we've never talked to before. And so doing that, and then you can do like evening on a weekend or something, whatever fits for people we're basically but on the same day, two people go out. If it's three, we also set up a table in front of their apartment complex. If there's, like, one road they're coming in and out of, we can have a table with, like, the WCU cloth, and they're also handing out information there. And the idea would be the week before, hopefully they've continued to see social media messaging about us, so they kind of are aware of who we are. We knock on doors. We tell them, Hey, do you have this problem? We collect information if they have any other problems. A key thing would be asking people to come, Hey, knock on the neighbor's doors with us. There's two of us, but if you come with me, we can split up also while we're there, just adding people to an SMS group, because we realized afterwards with WhatsApp, it's like, you gotta open the Play Store, search for WhatsApp, hit install, make an account, scan the QR code, hit Accept, and it was like, nope, nope, nope. So just while we're staying. Because, yeah, people give us their phone number. So just be like, can I add you to this group chat while you're standing there at the door in terms of attending the meeting? Like we have to keep re do our one on one, like a two a training, truly aggressively get people to say, Okay, I will come to the meeting. And so basically, one update would be actually having scripts for us that are pre written down. And so we're not winging it every time, because I feel like when we wing it, we often forget aspects of how we should be talking to people. So having solid scripts and really not taking no for an answer in terms of getting a commitment if they say they have a problem. And so we have to practice being much more aggressive. And so we'll, yeah, I want to talk to Pete about this, but he's not here. But we'll have to set up more educational resources for us to get training on how to do that in between events or even before, like one of these events. So we'll do that twice, inviting people to the meeting that's the following weekend or following, like, end of week. And so the meetings already scheduled. We're not like, oh, we'll come back with a meeting or whatever, just it's already scheduled. It's going to be this in like, two weeks or next week. So come the third the second week. We continued the same process at door knocking, with a table set up if people are interested, remind them, if they're in the group chat, ask them to bring food. So it's like, we gotta start early with the building of sense of community. So just ask them in the group chat, hey, we're having this event. Can you please bring food? And then if we do have solutions to these common problems, you know, start previewing them in the group chat. Like, here's what we're going to talk about. That way people are more likely to come for the first meeting. Sean and I thought that we should do hybrid even though it will be weird. Like, if we're outside, it will be weird, but we should just figure out how to do it anyways. Like the speakers. The speaker connects the Bluetooth. It's battery powered. You can just have a phone, and you can just be bluetoothing, because I think at least for the first meeting, we have to make the barrier of entry super low, and letting people just zoom in will be great. It would be unfortunate if it's like three of us standing in front of someone's lawn and no one else shows up, except for online but whatever, it's fine. Yeah, we could least get back in the car if it's cold, yeah, the meeting agenda would just be, you know, what are your concerns? Let's figure out how to problem solve together. So we should have, like, our version of how they should address this problem, but we should let them kind of arrive to those conclusions on their own, or at least correct them that way. If people have other problems, we can see if they can be addressed in the same way, or we need to do something else. But basically, let's say it's a mold problem. That's the example, me and Sean, and step one is like, let's write a strongly worded letter to the landlord, um, we'd say, Okay, let's meet again next week. So like, at least the following week. Like, we should say we're going to do it for sure, but we should say, hey, we need someone to write this with us. And if no one steps up like, we just have to be upfront with like, we don't have the capacity to like, do this. And so if no one steps up like, this is the end of our involvement in this neighborhood, because we like, there's nothing we can do. And so just hopefully being that upfront with, like, our own limitations, get someone to step up. And we like, we really just need one person to get the ball rolling. If no one steps up, then it's like, okay, well, this is what we think you should do. You know, if someone wants to do it, here's their contact information. Otherwise, next week, let's for the people here, at least at the meeting, let's schedule next week's meeting before then we'll work with the person to write the letter, and the following week we can gather approve it as a group and then sign on to it. And then after that, it's like you guys figure out when your next meeting time is going to be. So we'll from then on like we're always helping with let's say the following week, they say, Okay, we want to meet in two weeks, and as a landlord doesn't respond, we want to go to code enforcement. In the meantime, we can totally say, Okay, we'll do outreach. We'll call everyone, we'll tell them when this meeting is. We'll come back and come back to that meeting as well. We'll help you get in contact with CO enforcement, etc, but it's like, let them lead, and if everyone drops the ball, then we gotta be okay with going. Alright, let's go planning our next town hall and moving on.
If so, one of the one of the things that it occurred to me while you were speaking that we should maybe be doing is just holding regular, generic tenant union meetings that are, you know, here or wherever, right that every commute, every like neighborhood that we visit like, let's say that we go visit somebody. They can't do it right now, but in. Six months, they have time or whatever, they can still come to our monthly meeting, right? Because it's still our contact info and all that stuff, and then they can talk to other attendants and that kind of stuff. So I, I don't know if that's necessarily what you were thinking, but
no, but that's a good add on, like, if we if we want to do the workshops, like monthly. So that gives us a month to fly our whole new section of another town. But then we also just want to hold tenant union meetings, which are more for people who've pre contacted. I think that's great.
I also think it allows us to do, like, educational stuff for us, but also any anybody who comes from they can participate and learn whatever it is we're learning them on,
okay, so that is roughly the plan. And really, you know, we need the table cover. We need more flyers. We wanted to print, like, 11 by 13 flyers or something for like, posting on walls and like, yeah, for, like, the normal flyers, they can be smaller us switching to SMS for like, the initial contact. And then once people actually start organizing, we'll move them into our WhatsApp, because at that point they do need a place where like, messages will disappear and stuff when dealing with landlords, and then for educational resources like for us to have, because we're asking these people, like, take charge. So they should be able to we should also be able to say, hey, you know, like we're doing all this great work when knocking on doors, because we're all, you know, trained on how to do it that we like. If you want to do this, we have, like, a course for you to, like, go through as well, because if you don't do that, then we're setting them up to fail. And then same things with, like, just learning more about the benefits of a tenant association. We have that on like fire now, but having like, a small 30 minute like, either a short video that they can watch or, like Riley was saying, like, we want to add that to like, the end of our monthly meetings, we can do that too, but basically, we need to dedicate more educational resources for the people that we want to become, like local leaders in their community.
Yeah, if we both have generic education, like monthly or BI monthly or quarterly or whatever, and also specifically leadership trainings would be good, not just for us, but for anybody who shows up. You know,
yeah, yeah. And, I mean, I know our resources are capped, so like, maybe making something that's, like, a video like that should be fine for us, like, if we want to hold in person,
stuff, yeah,
but yeah. But I think it's, it's hard for Yeah, I think like in that initial outreach, if people could see more of like, what it would take to do this kind of work, they may be more likely to step up, versus now where it's like we're asking them to step up into something very vague I was
gonna say, when at the last person that I talked to at COVID villa, right? I I realized after I talked to them, that the thing that we're asking from them sounds like so much work compared to what it I mean, it is a lot of work, but like, compared to what it actually is, you know, because it because they don't know the details, they don't know the specifics, right? They don't know how many days a month, or whatever they're going to be working on this, it sounds like a massive commitment. So yeah, I think we could definitely do a lot better about being specific about what we're asking people.
And I think at the same time we can also, since we're having this, like, very short timeline for each building of like, three weeks. We should probably also be more public about like and Chris and Ro Fanny made like, a great thing on the bottom of our fire of like, here's the things your landlord is supposed to take care of. And it's like this full list of stuff. And you know, us promoting that more, also on social media, and even when you go talk to the union folks of like, can you share this with your membership? If they have any of these problems, we'd love to be in contact. I think that would
also be good. This is kind of on me and Pete now too. We need to make educational resources to post to the Instagram and to YouTube or whatever, so that when somebody's like, well, I don't know you know how to like, oh, just look at our Instagram or whatever.
If to me, like, the first step for a workshop or a webinar for a tenant union would be an. Your Rights thing. We've been talking about it a lot. So if we do vote it in, maybe we could start looking for some sort of like tenant rights lawyer or some anyone, honestly, who can talk to them about it, even if it's like a zoom webinar thing, because after talking to a lot of tenants, it, yeah, most of them don't really know. Well, shoot, even I don't know the laws, so it would be nice.
Yeah, we do. We do know one person that we can talk to about that. Oh, this is the flyer. So since we're doing this, I can just share real quick.
So the
the sections in green are what we consolidated things down to. So, you know, joined WCU, there would be an image of us, hopefully sometime when there's a lot of us there, just so there's a, there's a, there's a real like real faces behind it. The Hook could be something like paying more rent yet living worse. Fight back with us. You know, a tenant union does these things, empowers us to reclaim our homes and demand what we deserve through uniting, we press landlords to fix issues they're responsible for. We curb mistreatment from landlords and property management. We fight for fair rents and better housing conditions. We fight for secured, dignified housing. This could probably be consolidated, but bullet list like that, so it's easy to just read through, and then tenant unions draw power from working together. We turn individual struggles into collective solutions. By joining separate struggles into a united front, we can demand safer and better housing. The word united front, as you know, baggage, but okay, we didn't really consolidate this yet, so this is one section we're still working on. And then the I we still have to move Chris's emojis down, but these are, like, the list of things that the landlord is responsible for,
yeah? So it would just basically be that, and then we can have, like, a sticker on, you know, here's when our workshop is going to be, and also on the flyer, so that we put in people's doors, yeah? And the hope is, again, with this kind of dual filter of, if you come to workshop, you're likely to be from a landlord that we can actually target, and also, if you come to the workshop, you're likely to help us at least knock on doors, because you took the time to travel out here, versus before, where we're like, trying to find local leaders ourselves, which is a lot harder to do. And I think also just the focus during week one of asking people, Hey, come knock on doors with me that will ideally activate people and find people, and also putting them in that group chat, like while we're at the door, hopefully gets people talking well before the meeting actually happens.
Does the
the ask for them to come canvas? Is that in the second week, or, like, the second time around, or is it not just the first time? So this is a big ask of somebody you've never met at your door. Apparently, other
tenant unions have had success of getting people to come out. Like, if there's two of you, you can say, Hey, I gotta go talk to these other five folks. Can Can you come with us? You know, people apparently do
it. So, you know, people are a lot more I apparently a few other people are much more trusting than I am.
I actually think that having it be uh, ask after meeting them would be a good idea, because it initially builds trust, right? Like you can come to in in this sense of you are not just a person I see behind a screen, or someone that comes every Tuesday and says, Hey, I want to help you, but like I'm actually working there with you. And as we're walking, we're talking about whatever. It just feels a lot more like personal. So I think I'm for it,
yeah, the main thing is, it lets you, yeah, like you're saying, talk to people, and so you can, you know, become friends. And that's kind of the goal is, like speed run becoming like getting to know. The person a bit more and getting them out of their comfort zone. And I think so far, we've been really, like, timid about asking people to do things and giving them like, the excuse of like, Oh, you don't have to do the thing until next week, when the meeting is because we're thinking we're giving them advance notice to help them come out, but it's actually like, right? Like, they're using instead it's just being used to, like, forget about the event and not come and so it's hopefully. And, you know, we don't need everyone to do it, right? We need, like, two, three people to take that next step. And then out of those two, three people, we need one person to be like, alright, I'll make this my thing for like, the next month or so. And then now this problem that we've had, of like, known in COVID stepping up to be that person for us. And so we either are only doing COVID stuff because that's the time commitment we need to give, or we don't do any COVID stuff and it all kind of falls apart. Having that one other person then means, like, even if one of us goes, you can Canvas 20 units in like 30 minutes. So this would be this, I think the benchmark would be, let's revisit in three months. Well, ideally, have held a workshop at the end of March, at the end of April, the end of May, hopefully, the strategy has led to us at least organizing with like Two units.
That question related to that is, would we put a cap on how many? What's
it called complexes or whatever? Yeah, tenant associations, yeah,
yeah, that we would work with at a time, you know, considering, like, on a consistent basis, you know, when we have these things, maybe three of us, or four of us can do it on a weekend or a given day.
Yeah, it would have to be max, like, one a month, because we have this three week cycle of, like, very hyperactivity. I don't think we could do two of those three week hyper activities at the same time. So
okay, so, I guess here's the So, in that three month period, right? We do four different places, or three different places, okay, yeah, the three different complexes or whatever. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We do want it. We do one complex per
No No So, per cycle, per workshop, I'm assuming, like, unless we, I'm assuming we will go to multiple, like, complexes and multiple developments or whatever, in each cycle, in each cycle, yeah, okay, because we want to cast a really wide net to get at least some people to come to the workshop, and then to get one of those people to have a problem we can deal with. Okay,
so, but let's assume, like, just for, like, best case or worst case scenario. Best case scenario, every place that we go to is like, Yeah, let's do this Canadian thing. Like, what capacity wise, right? That's the how are we going to handle that?
Yeah, we, we definitely have to postpone, um, if, like, if we get like, five of those places. I mean, it seems unlikely, but, yeah, it seems unlikely, but we definitely have to postpone, I think, for those other four, then we can, we can regroup and, like, revisit, okay, Is there stuff we can give them ahead of time to do on their own? Like, can they flyer to ask people to hold a meeting on their own without us being there? But if they're okay with waiting, like, at least two weeks, because it's the first two weeks that's heavy canvassing, and then meeting in the third week, like, if things are rolling only really, like one of us needs to be there, like, bare minimum on the third week meeting, yeah, but at least for two weeks, it's like, solid dedication to one place. And after the third week, if, like, the third week, no one comes, the person that said they'd write a letter with us ghosts us and and the third week, like, noone comes, then it's like, we're done. We're moving on. And I think we we give the CON for the people that we have contact information. It's like, here's the tenant union handbook. If you want to reach back out anytime, like we're having these meetings, like we'll keep in contact for sure, but we're not going back to knock on doors to be like, Hey, you said you said you had this problem. You want to meet again on the fourth week, like we're done. And then if someone comes back to one of like these future workshops or our monthly meetings and says, Hey, we're still having this problem, like, I've left work on a letter for you now, like you were saying, then we can re engage and see if we. And fit them in. But yeah, I think the most important part is like being very aggressive for two weeks, and like being aggressive about pulling out and walking away.
Should we make a toolkit and pin it at the top of the group chat of just like flyers and whatever basic things that we have. So if someone does feel like going out and flyering, they don't have to come to us first to get the resources they already have it.
Yeah,
you mean, like, when you say someone, you mean like, a tenant, right?
Yeah, a tenant, a tenant. I wonder, like, I think that's
a good idea. I wonder if it would still be good to meet with them once. I
don't know, of course, this is just like, after a meeting. Let's say they're like, Oh yeah, I'm actually free this Thursday, and I want to put up flyers so they can just do it without having to wait for us to say, to give them the
Yeah. I mean, we can make Google doc versions of the flyers and just like, have directions on, like, save a copy, put in your info, and then print it on your own. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Thoughts from Robbie join Sean. I don't know if I missed anything or if you had anything you
wanted to add. No. So what Riley was asking about, like, yeah, we cast this kind of broad net, and then we get a couple hits, right? Like, how would we go about choosing which ones to tackle first?
Yeah. I mean, I think hopefully through, like, researching our landlord and stuff, we would be able to gage which one probably has the most pissed off tenants. I guess as like, a gage, we should try to go with what we deem easier? Well,
okay, so there's, there's kind of two different paths where we could take one of them. We could take the one we think is it will be easier to succeed at. The other one is, if we see people who are more committed, like they're just so stoked and angry or whatever, right? That might be better than one that we're like, guaranteed to win at right, because those people might be people that are going to be, you know, taking on more responsibilities, I
guess I would classify that as easier.
Yeah, well, I well because, you know, because, like, imagine if there were, like, super dedicated people to cow bill, it would still be very difficult to do just because of the systemic issues. Yeah,
we definitely have to have a discussion on what we think is, quote, unquote easy, yeah,
yeah, because you could have, like, super passionate people, but like, the issues are a lot more minuscule. It's like, then which one do you pick, like, the last passionate people with the bigger problem, or, you know, the opposite? Yeah.
Why? Talking about it.
I mean, this would be an amazing problem.
Yeah, maybe wishful thinking. Yes,
no, it's not No, no, it's good planning. It's just that it because this is exactly what I was gonna
run into. Yeah, yeah.
We hope to have this problem one day.
Yeah, but I think as we're going and, like, besma was saying, like, if we can have templates for people and guides, and we have, like, our How to have conversation, guides and stuff, if that comes up, then the people that are dedicated that we can say, Here's his resources, like, go through them on your own, and they should help you solve like 90% of your problem. And of course, we're happy to talk anytime, like one on one with you, like they can maybe take care of it on their own, with just resource out from us. And then we spend our actual time at a place where maybe people are less like self motivating like that, and have a bigger problem. But I think case by case, and we'll, like, learn even from like, how broad of a net we throw. If you throw the net out, like, twice, and we're like, okay, we're getting way too many people, and we need to shorten it. Then fine. Probably what's going to happen is that we're going to have to be like, second time the net needs to be even wider so you can get enough people so it'll be a calibration issue. Sorry, yeah, okay. Any other comments? Sorry, Sean, I hope that answers your question, no, yeah, yeah, that's good.
All right. Anyone else
just that? It sounds like you guys put out a lot of thought into this and that would be good to try a different approach. Sounds like, yeah, so I'm for it.
Okay, then we need two votes. Yeah.
So sac Valley just start open to their tenant union. Should we, as part of this, like reach out to them just to see if they're interested? And partnering, because, like, you know, Elk Grove or something's kind of in between us, or Lodi or whatever. So, yeah, yeah,
okay, well, I'll vote on that at the end, just of doing more outreach. Okay, so,
just for clarification, the workshops that you were mentioning, are just the meetings with the tenants, or are they, like, actual workshops where we're, like, teaching them how to write a letter to code enforcement?
Oh yeah. I mean, they're not workshops like that. It would be like, you were saying kind of, like, partially tenant rights. But I think we had talked about, we want to do these before, and it was like, do Lean into, like, tenant union stuff. So really, for a lot of it's like, let's be much more upfront about what we're doing. And so it's like, instead of saying, like, let's we're going to talk about tenant rights. And then if you're interested, maybe we'll slide in with tenant union stuff later. It says, Let's just be upfront about the limitations we think around you, like tenant rights themselves, but they are useful tools for, you know, climbing the ladder of how aggressive we need to be against landlords. Yeah, sorry, there is, I'll pull up the Google doc in a bit,
landlord pinatas, just like at the parties. You know, we have, like a
better meetings. We have a picture of their landlords. We have a
life like version of their landlord they can hit with a stick.
Would that be counted as a threat? Could we go to court?
It might okay.
It's not their landlord. It's a representative landlord of all landlords, yeah,
version of scabby.
Because my thought is that if we do actual like workshops, like how to write a letter to code enforcement or how to like stuff like that educational stuff, and we just invite all of the target like all of the places that we want to target, those that do show up are, I mean, it would be pretty much the same thing as what you were saying With just the talking about the rights and just having meetings, but this, but, I mean, if you're there for a how to write a letter workshop, it seems like you would actually be interested in organizing, just more educational thing, is what I'm suggesting as well.
Yeah, I think here, let me just pull it up, I guess before we go, then wonder if we have it somewhere.
It's not there.
Sorry, I'm looking on my Google Drive real quick.
I'm just saying it would be amazing if we researched like 10 of these places, hit 10 of them and got two people from each of them. That would be overwhelming, but also very cool,
country, big.
Okay, so this is we had come up with the floor, if I can put it into the window you guys can see. So, like, starting off, okay, sorry, let me make it bigger. So like, what is a tenant union? So just jumping right into that, a brief historical perspective, something, something, something you know, going into the purpose of tenant unions. So like, why are they important? What can they accomplish? And kind of going into the history of that, and then switching over to listening to the issues that people actually have, and, like, in a breakout group, and then hopefully, when they come back and present to the group, someone's coming up with a problem where they feel, where they can acknowledge like, Hey, I think this collective action stuff can actually work for our case, because it is a broad, systemic problem. And then hopefully that kind of weeds out the people who, again, have, like, individual problems and are more individual minded and don't actually want to work with their neighbors like we're I guess the goal of these is, like, not necessarily to help as many people as possible. It really is to, like, find the people we actually want to find. So we're trying to weed out all the Americans. Basically, everyone's gone. Everyone's gone. Yeah. So it is. Is, I mean, this is part of, like, the aggressive version of it is that we're really, really trying to find people that we actually want to find, and not hoping like they come out of the woodwork somehow.
That's the point of the workshops is, yeah,
so the workshop would be, we're gonna talk about tenant union, we're gonna talk about how, like, the plan that we would use with you would work, and how it does work in other places, and then at the end, it's like, Okay, do I do any of you actually have a problem that you want to tackle in this method? Okay? Because our flyers are about tenant unions already, like, it's a tenant union workshop already. So this is
kind of why I think that that doing regular workshops is going to be really important, right? Because if we go out to all these places and invite people, a lot of them are just not going to have the background the you know about why 10 units are important and stuff to really like, trust random people. But if we can convince them to come out to a few of these things and, like, give them the pitch, you know, and the bat and the history, they might be more inclined, you know. And so that might not fit into our timetable, but, you know, it might in the long run, set us up for more success.
Yeah. I mean, hopefully in the long run, when we get a lot more members so we can, we have the capacity to do like, two of these at the same time? Because ideally it's like three people a week, if we have, like, really small complexes, and we get good at like helping, like neighbors, helping us out. So hypothetically, we could do a lot in the future. But
I think ideally, the the focus campaign, tenant union becomes its own, like thing that just runs on its own, and we don't have to, like, we can focus on something else, you know,
yeah, like, right now I really feel like we it's hard to have two campaign focus campaigns for us, because there's just not enough capacity. Okay, so, yeah, the vote would be to approve reauthorizing the focus campaign for another six months with this new hyper aggressive tactics that will have to come with. It's hyper aggressive compared to what we do now, where it's like, we go see them once a month, and Pete's not here, but I'm signing him up for stuff, but working with Pete to build up these educational materials for ourselves. Because I was telling Sean like, I think at this point, half of our newer members have not gone through like, the one on one conversation training at all. The hui thing was, like last year. So like, Christina or Fanny, like Sean has, like, not gone through that at all. Even though Sean's been like canvassing a bunch, I didn't
go through it either. Yeah,
we did it a long time. When did we do it was, like the first four months or
something. Oh, man,
yeah, it was a long time ago. Um, so going through that again and having it be like a standard practice for us. Um, yeah. So,
yeah, we should. We definitely need to set up another one of us for sure, and
then would check back in three months. If no one has come up to our workshops, then we have to reevaluate how we do outreach. But in the meantime, we'll have done two workshops and had time for people. Yeah, we'll have three. We'll have three done so we'll have some good idea of like, how broad of a net we need to throw to throw to get some people to come. So, can I get a second for approving this? Ask for a second. I second Robbie. Seconds. All in favor. I Okay. Thank you very much, Sean, I'm sorry I forgot to ask you this before we also need to reapprove campaign leadership. Would you like to run for focus campaign leadership? And would someone else like to join him?
Anyway, in theory, we are supposed to have two so
yeah, I'm still still game.
Okay, anyone else? Well, okay, the only people here I can ask, because it really is ADR, Robbie and Joanna. Do you want to be co campaign leads with John? Nora might she's not here, so
I would say that's a no, then
she might she just has been busy.
Okay, well, you can nominate yourselves next month if you want. But. I'm going to motion, or can I get a second for making Sean focus campaign, tenant union campaign lead for a second time. Adri, seconds. All in favor. Brilliant. I'll assume Sean says yes, Oh, mother, yeah.
I didn't know about it's actually against, yeah, I was hoping everybody's saying, no, no, yeah, I'm all for it. Let's do it
all right. Thank you very much. Last thing is for our budget, after we pay like the eight or $900 fee for filing our tax for tax document will be broke. We'll have $840 left we currently have 1740 in terms of our monthly costs. Right now we're we only have like $45 a month left over after dues.
Not yet, but, um,
yeah, after we, after we move our servers into a united server, we'll have about $150 left over a month in net. And so we have $800 a backlog, and we have $150 a month. And so I think if we want, like, hold on, figure out how much money you guys want to spend, like, talk amongst yourselves real quick on flyers for the tenant union. So these would be, like, the bigger flyers. Sorry, per month. Per month.
It's okay, so the last time I did I got not flyers made, but I made some, know your rights, red cards for Cal villa, and that was on car, you know, card stock paper, so, like, expensive paper, and it was red paper, so it's even more expensive. But even then, for like, a couple 100 flyers, it was, like, eight bucks or something, right? So it's not, it's pretty cheap to print a ton of flyers.
So
let's say, like, I don't know. Let's guesstimate for a minute here, right? If we're doing three, we're doing three week cycles, right? Each place that we're going to is going to have probably at least 100 units, I would imagine, each place, yeah, smaller
places. If we're going for smaller places, I don't know if we would need of the larger flyers also. Oh, okay,
well, let's do the, let's do little flyers. What that we put on their door real quick. Let's, let's start. I mean, yeah, like the, like a handout, basically. So if one of those goes to each place, right? And apartment complex is going to be somewhere between, like, what, like 25 to 250 units, something like that. In that, in between those, yeah, some of the ones that load I hear massive. Well, alright, that's fair. It's
all it's sounds like we said more like around 50 like places. I have about 50
units. Maybe.
Okay, so if we're doing so are in each three week cycle, how many of those places are we hitting? One? How many 50? How many like complexes are we hitting in each three week cycle? I want
to say in terms of people that actually come, if we hit like 1000 units, we'll probably get maybe like 50 people. Like, okay, so not even 10. So that's like 20 different places, basically, yeah, but we're counting flyers, so that's per door. Like, I think 1000 units will net us maybe 10 people coming. Okay, so
let's we don't need 1000 per month, though, right? Or do we need 1000 per month? 1000 on each door? Yes,
we gotta be aggressive. So, you know,
let's say 1000 flyers in a month, right? 1000 little flyers in a month. And then what, like a quarter of that in big ones,
yeah, maybe like 100 or 200 well, 250 a quarter. Okay, let's okay. I think if I can recall from memory, 250 for a like, if you want to go to, like, the union print shop and be all supportive of it, I think the big flyers that are like larger than a 10 by 11, but we're, I want to say it was like 200 for, like, a couple 100.
Uh, yeah, I think they're $1.50 or something at, like, at Staples, yeah, I think they're $1.80 at Staples. And we, the union shop, probably be cheaper than that, actually, yeah, a large order.
And then if we just want to do, like, a cut of normal piece of paper, up into four and they'll cut it for us. That was like, honestly,
we could cut it. We could save, depends
on how much color we want. Big It is, yeah. I mean, cutting doesn't cost extra from them. Okay, so I think it's like 200 for like, like 200 of those. So that would be like 800 so we're looking at like 400
of the of the dollar of the little ones,
okay, combined, yeah.
How much are we bringing in right now? We bring in about 200 a month, okay? And so we would be going net negative, like 100% basically, yeah, or 200% Yeah, yeah.
But we might have leftovers, right? If we're doing like, this large order, I don't think we're going to get we're going to use 100 large flyers every
month. Yeah, no. So we, that's why we were saying, like, have a white square in the in the big flyers. So then we can just print out labels like those we can print at home with a day and the location of the event. And then we can just update it as we go, stick it on there. Yeah. So we can even for the smaller door flyers. We can do that. Do
we just want to do one big generic order at the beginning, sure, and then see how long it takes to go through it, and then come back and figure out what we want to do on a regular basis, because, like that might be cheaper, and also might just save us the it
will be cheaper, yeah. So if we say we have, if you want to put in, let's say, two months worth of dues on this. That's $300 and we take 100 out of our savings, we'd be left with, why
don't we do three months? If we're doing a three month thing, let's do three months worth of dues.
Okay? That's $600 whatever. That's three that's 450 so that's enough money to cover all of it. I mean, we don't spend money on anything else besides, like the but the ROI is, hopefully we get more people to
join. Um, also, I think that if this is successful, right, in the future, we could do, you know, we could do fundraisers of some kind, right? We could sell cookies or solidarity dues, yeah, whatever. Well, also, if we get, if we actually get a tenant union running, and we it's a dues tenant union, right, then we'll, we should, in theory, be getting more dues coming in. Okay,
that's my join on Robbie Sean as a summary, we'd be willing to invest three months worth of dues, which is 450 bucks, and yeah and that, that would probably give us enough flyers for like, six months. To be honest. I
Yeah, and then, in the meantime, if the $50 server costs, we have to pay those out of our savings, we'll be left with $700 of the balance,
like as a emergency slush fund that's pretty solid. That's more than most people have. Americans at least.
Okay, so then I will move. Can I get a second for spending 450 on printing for the tenant union work?
And one more thing. Do we have the desk? Matt, already? No. Do we have to
vote on that too? That'll probably be like another 100 bucks. Okay,
so add that into the printing cost, right? Or into the the
or we're gonna, well, we said $400 for the flyers. So if we have 450 then another 50 from savings. Yeah. Okay, so three months worth of dues for, oh, sorry, the 115 means we're also paying for server costs. Otherwise we net around under 90, sure. So we'll do three months of dues for the fire net dues, yeah, the flyer, plus the table cloth. And we need 50 from savings to pay for the table cloth. Cover. Not table cloth, but whatever. The Yeah, Banner thing paid. Table made out of plastic. So really, in three months, we'll be left with about 700 like $90
that it's better just roll it in if we can. You know, can I
get a second on that? Adrian seconds All in favor, so we can call it a day.
All right, that's my
you can add your vote wherever you want
it. Oh, shoot, I'm abstaining, just for the record, okay,
we'll do a better job of the budget in the future. But,
oh yeah, we have five. There's six people still letting Okay. Do we want to call it a day? We had three more things.
Okay, so 1p wanted to hold a reading group this month, but he doesn't have time to do it, so I told him I would organize it. So what night Do you guys want to do a reading group. Oh yeah, that yeah, that reminds me. Let's do a movie night. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. How about the 15th in the evening? I uh,
Saturday the 15th, yeah, how does
everybody what is everybody feel about Saturday the 15th to watch? I mean, I think miles wanted to watch and I know I definitely wanted to watch Brazil, because it's a crazy ass movie.
Evening, sorry, evening. What time like around? What time?
What time can you do?
As long as it's either before three or after six, I'd be free 16.
Yeah, 16. Give me six or seven. Sounds like to me, okay,
15, six to eight,
and then social fun night already spending so much time together this month, we
need to spend more time together, and only together and but noone else, and we need to wear white claws and drink Kool Aid.
Person like face to face, true, yeah,
um, oh, sorry, that was the thing should we do the reading I was gonna say that we should do the movie night in person with Pete also wanted to do the reading group in person because we went to the NorCal resist reading group, and doing it in person is legitimately much better. So
social life first, in the ass, social life first, yes, what I don't do we have days available. Still.
What do we plan on the 22nd
22nd was we don't have anything. What's the 29th
29th was the Medicare for All thing? Or what's wrong with
here's the here's the real question. Do you guys want to spend two Saturdays with me? No, I don't
even want to spend one. Wow.
Okay.
Adrian, Adri, were you saying something?
No, I'm just, I'm just up in the air constantly, only because, like, I'm in, it sounds so annoying. I'm in wedding planning mode, so it's just kind of annoying. But so some weekends, sometimes, like unexpectedly, things come up, but so I most weekends are going to be easier, though, or Fridays, yeah, if people want to do a Friday, I that would be before, like, or, Oh, wait, are we mean, no, 17th was what St Patrick's you said, we can always do a pre
on the green. We're green.
Yeah, okay, 17th, go to green color. Go to a bar. Go to a pub. Oh,
we don't have the Finnegans anymore. That's one of the Irish bars.
Yeah, sorry,
I just yeah. Ah, no, having gone to London high, like, everyone goes there, and it's so but I will take one for the team. That's an option, yeah. Oh, I meant to mention there is like this. I don't know if you've seen it. It's like this small, like arcade place in Lodi. It's like some q 25 or something like that. It's kind of tiny, but it's kind of like a coin up of Sacramento, but like small scale. And,
yeah, I went there. Okay, well, wherever it is, should we just say 17 as a day for to hang out? No,
we said 14th. Oh, or do we want to do the actual day?
It just so it's clear if it's the 14th. Just so we all remember the 13th the night before, from six to eight, we're doing a flyer design, yeah, just so everyone knows in
a row. Yeah, so let's do 17th. Okay,
because then the 17th also means that we're like, we have the 10th and the 24th of working meetings those other Mondays.
Yeah, okay. Y'all are
stuck. Thursdays
belong to us. Okay?
March 17. I'm assuming it's going to be night, like, also six,
six, yeah, yeah, we could figure out where we want to go exactly. But okay, let's just say then do some Saint
Patty's Day history. Let's do AX throwing. Oh, dear God, that's it's not cheap, but let's just buy
our own. Everyone gather your axes.
That's not cheap either. Yeah, I know it gets expensive fast. Okay,
shall we call it Wait.
Do we still want to do the are we not doing the reading group? Planning the reading group? Do you guys want to do
that to the end of the month?
You say? Riley's saying, push it to the end of the
month, end of the month. Let
me rephrase this. We have something on the 20 if,
if we're doing this, if we do the reading group in person, right?
Oh yeah, just kidding. The workshop,
we get drunk and read, and whatever it is we're going
to read. It's a rough Monday.
This is responsible adult. It's a holiday. Let me, let me rephrase this. Do people want to go to a reading group on Thursday? Because, in my experience, people don't. There's
too much stuff happening this month. Yeah,
April, like the big beginning of April,
but we've also not had a reading group.
We skipped February, we did January, we skipped December, we did November. I
don't know what y'all are saying.
Adri is saying we have a good mix of fun stuff and work stuff for March already.
Let's do April. Let's do the beginning of April.
This is our general meeting. Um, okay,
so I guess if the third is the general right, no one's really going to want to do it that Saturday. Probably right. So we and we already something for the 12th. Um,
what
do the 10? Oh, wait no, next Thursdays,
fucking reading groups, so hard to schedule. Okay,
we're running into Easter. I feel like maybe end of April, we better.
Okay, I know that we are supposed to do Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays, but I'm going to ask again, does anybody want to do a reading group on a Sunday? I
will do one on a Sunday. No, I
will wait. Are we doing the reading group in person? That's Well, that's
what I'm trying to find a day that's not during during the week, right? Because the in person stuff is much harder to do during the week.
I'm down for a Sunday.
Yeah? Sunday. No
one else, all right? Oh,
weekend I muted or
No, no, I heard you. Okay. Do you
guys want to do 27th for now temporary? Let's,
let's do the end of the month. No, let's do this six if we're going. Do a Sunday. Let's do the sixth, the beginning of the month. That way we can just say we're claiming. We're pushing it to the beginning the next month. You know, okay, okay, April 6, I guess Sunday. We'll see how it works out. If it doesn't work out, meeting,
okay, I'm gonna call the meeting. We're half an hour over our I know we two hour extension, and then we got to the end and it fell apart. All right, can I get a
second in the meeting? All in favor, yeah. Thank you, everyone. Bye. All right, everyone,
I'm going to, yeah,
doing a lot of outreach this month should be good.
Oh, we really should do a
Where's the thing? How do I end this? You gotta open full zoom. Oh, alright. How do I stop the recording?
