Similar I grew up in Hawaii, and I grew up being able to see really the best of the best of everything in the natural world, like the most pristine ocean, the most pristine beaches, rare birds that you'll never see anywhere else. And like, learned a lot about speciation and how unique and special everything that we had was. And I think it was really difficult for me to move away from Hawaii and feel like that mindset wasn't as universal as potentially it was when I was growing up in an environment where that was very much at the forefront of how everyone thought and how everyone acted. And so I moved to the east coast for a little bit, it was very jarring to see someone start trash on the ground like I'd never seen that in my life. And it seemed so to me that people live this way, and I understand that that isn't ever really meant to do harm, like people aren't doing that intentionally. And so I think it's been this long journey of trying to figure out how to show someone. What is special about the natural world and why they should just think a little bit more before they interact with our natural environment. And that is both very challenging, because everyone comes from different backgrounds, and by no means do I ever want to shame someone or make them feel less than for not knowing about something. But there is also so much cool stuff I want to show them, and all of that cool stuff does go away if we don't sort of communally come together and work on some of these things. Plus, I now really get to be involved with a lot of rare frog species. And that is pretty cool, because we don't really, I get to work with species that people have never seen before. Like I think that is very cool and fulfilling in its own right. But then also there is, periodically, these very weird and weird in the most positive way, herpetile people, or frog loving people who come to the aquarium and are like, I have never seen a mountain yellow legged frog, but I have spent years looking for them. And it is so cool to just be able to show someone the 780 that we have behind the scenes and be like, these guys are going back out in the wild, and they're going to be released at some point. And so I think it's all about finding ways to inspire people and connect people to that, and also just to find what resonates with every individual, because it's always going to be different. And it's been cool because I have very little connection to the fish and invertebrate side of things that we do here at the Aquarium. And so when people would come and do these tours, I can show them sea otters, I can show them sea otters, I can show them mountain legged frogs. I can show them whatever else we have going on. But then they'll be like, hey, what about the kelp? They'll be like, who? I don't know as much about fridge. Yeah, we have this cool fridge, but I don't know if they're frozen. I don't know anything about it. And so it's been really nice now to have sort of my, my equal to counterpart. Yeah, counterpart, exactly, probably more than equal at this point. I think you call 2000 to my 780 so I think that we are, we're doing very similar things. It's just cool to have someone that I can reference and sort of know they have that same ambition and repository of information, but about projects that I can't know that much about because my head would explode.