As we said. Yeah, we want to make up for the workshop that didn't happen. And but being that that was brought up, Nicole, what was it? Did you have any questions in particular from that workshop that really you'd like to have to kick around or just kind of talk about?
No, I think the main thing for me is there was a person at that workshop who had done her graduate thesis, working with Code for America. And so I was just curious about that. Because we're coming to Florida Community Innovation is working on a like playbook for how Code for America can engage with universities. So I just thought it would be useful to get her perspective on it. As we think about like, what advice should we give Code for America?
Interesting. Do you remember who that was?
I think I wrote down her name. I want to say Beth maybe.
Beth Farmer?
Maybe.
Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I mean, we see if we could reach out to her for you.
Oh, okay.
She's actually taking the course.
Say again?
She's taking the course, the Maʻawe Pono course.
Yeah. That's great. So you're also working on a playbook? Correct. Nicole?
Yeah. Just just how see the engagement with universities? Yeah, I think I think it's a good connection to have. Just because like, I think they're that university students are sort of untapped resource. And another concern that I heard brought up, I think, before last year's brigade Congress was just how we recruit younger members. And so I think that'll help with that, too. Just overall, like building connections.
That's great. How do you see us bridging that gap, you think with CFA with um for America, and just in general, even Brigades being able to bridge that gap?
I think part of it will be just the the individual brigades sort of thinking more about and I know, this is like a big ask to mentor students. But I think I think it'd will driven by individual grade interest in doing that. And building those connections that way.
I can see that. Now with this course. How do you see [inaudible] where do we see in the future? How do you see Maʻawe Pono playing in the cards with CFA? Let's get your perspective of it.
I think it'll be helpful for just being more deliberate in the projects that CFA takes on, especially like each individual brigade. One example that I think of, in when I was an undergrad, I was in a community service organization. And it was in northern Florida, which gets cold actually. And we had a, a bunch of leftover long sleeve T-shirts, because they were selling organization T-shirts. And they just had a bunch leftover, and they decided that they would use them to make dog toys. And I was kind of outraged because I was like, it's cold out people need these shirts. But to me, that's just like an example of I'm not saying that CFA has ever done this, but I'm just saying that's sort of an example of putting the idea of service ahead of thinking about what the best impact on the community could be. And so I think Maʻawe Pono kind of helps be more deliberate about what the impact will be on those communities. So you avoid making those type of mistakes.
That make sense. I kind of like that. I've haven't, that's a very good way of looking at it. Yeah, I like that. What do you think Krystina?
So I see what I'm hearing is Maʻawe Pono, like, kind of helps create that awareness that might be missing. Is that right?
Yeah.
Yeah, I can kind of see how that can definitely. It kind of opens you up to a whole different way of a thought process, isn't it? I mean, to me it did.
Yeah, definitely.
And now with you working with ACP, how do you see it working? Do you see it working at all in that community with with your current work? Especially being at tribes get so much off? I didn't mean to interrupt you. They get so much more off of their internet if they sign up.
Yeah, I definitely think that it helps us. It could help people think more about the materials that they write and how they connect with different communities to get them enrolled. I don't work with like ACP enrollment directly. But I definitely think that learning more about Maʻawe Pono could help people learn how to better enroll, like what just to understand, like, what are some of the barriers? Why don't people want to continue? Um, that was actually super enlightening for me at Brigade Congress, when Sung kind of described all of the all of the barriers to enrollment, she talked about how names not matching up, maybe not having an ID, um, not having paid off an account from years ago, that sort of thing. And so I think learning about all those barriers will help implement those programs. Because it's really easy to say like, Oh, why won't people enroll? Like, it's so easy, just do it? But it's really not because all of these things are not connected? It's not like, you know, just clicking a button.
Yeah, that's so true. Yeah, I'm I myself found out that I changed carriers saying that they were going to give me the same rate, and instead, it was $30 less than what they were going to give me because of the new contract. Yes. And I've had it for over almost three years now. And so now I'm not having to pay a bill when I should have even changed my carrier. So I feel like a big Bozo. So yeah, there's things like that, that kind of, you know, really, but [inaudible], how is it that we learn anything? We learn it by finally, you know, going through the process, really? So? Yeah, lesson learned. So yeah. Oh, it doesn't happen to other people. You know, we'll see from there. What part of you on in lesson three?
Um, I finished, I finished the assignment for it. So I'm like done with all of that. I think it was in lesson three, I really liked the distinction between that video on quantitative and qualitative. That's super enlightening, because sometimes it can be difficult to come up with those, like tangible examples. So I really liked that.
Yeah, so did I so did I think that that's very helpful. I really liked the worksheet that they had us do. That was very helpful to meet too, so that you kind of created your own questions.
Yeah. And the reflection kind of made me realize how disconnected sort of my neighborhood is. Because it was like, basically to like, listen to your surroundings in a way. And so it did sort of make me realize, like, because I really don't know that many people who live in my neighborhood. Like, I don't even know any of my neighbors. So I think it just helps you sort of realize those issues.
Well, what would be your like, first thing, since you're not really familiar with your neighbors? Like, is that something that you're interested in? Doing?
No.
No?
No, because like, it's just like, having so many, like, you know, some, like issues with noise and things like that, um, I have one neighbor on my third floor, who just like, pours out random buckets of water. I don't know why. But I like I don't really have any interest in knowing those people. I like if they're, I did have a neighbor that like I talked to pretty frequently, who moved away. And so like, you know, if they're friendly, it's fine. But it's just like, I don't have any interest in like, actively knocking on doors. But if people want to talk to me, that's fine.
Someone, I think it might have been in the first Talk Story Cafe where we're, I guess, brainstorming of like, how do you get to know your, your community and like, one of the suggestions was knock on doors, since since knocking on doors is not your thing. Like what what do you think would be a possible I guess, alternative for folks like yourself?
I think it would be like finding sort of activities in the neighborhood. I've been going to the library more. The library also has like classes and activities and things like that. But I've been thinking about going to I think I think those are probably the main ways that I would engage like it doesn't have to be like my next door neighbors. It could be community in a broader sense, I think.
Oh, very nice. What was it you're located?
Um, I live in South Florida, two hours north of Miami. So I live in like an apartment. So I guess that's where the, like friction comes in. But the reasons why I'm like not really interested in like, knocking on my neighbor's doors.
I can understand yeah, I've lived in apartments. Yeah. Yeah, okay. We're about to say you live it. Krystina, you're in?
Orlando. So I will technically now since I'm looking after my brother's dog. I'm near UCF, University of Central Florida. So as far as like Orlando I'm in Miami. That's like, what?
Five hours? I think
I was gonna say like five plus six hour drive. With nice traffic.
Yeah, but for me, it's like three hours. Yeah.
So would you Disneyworld before and I've been
On the train, actually, the Brightline, which is actually the deadliest train in America. So,
oh, are you serious? Yes.
So for some reason, like, I guess it's, you know, visitors and residents. They're not familiar with stopping before the bar goes down. So they'll just like, think they can beat the train. At least that's from what I've gathered from, like news sources. Reports.
Yeah, definitely. Like the there's a lack of familiarity. And like, I guess people, people don't realize that like, you can actually turn down the train tracks if you're not careful. If you're not like paying attention. And so I think that happens sometimes to like, unintentionally. But I think it would help to have someone come in with like a more qualitative approach to like, why do people do this? Because why is this a problem in South Florida, and it's not a problem anywhere else.
It's, it's a problem. I noticed it's problem here in Orlando, we have SunRail. It only operates during the weekdays, it doesn't operate during the weekends. But there's a lot of like accidents. And I thought that'd be interesting to like, know, it's like why, like, I mean, we can assume, like come up with our assumptions. But we don't know until we conducted that.
That's interesting. Wow. Because we've never had that kind of I mean, to where it's been that much of a big deal here. Wow. That's quite fascinating, actually. Because it's had like, really, what's that? What's the what's the, what's the disconnect there? What is it that's not connecting for people to realize that, hey, you know, it's best to stop right here,
Right. And what's kind of frustrating too, is like, the connection between West Palm and Orlando will be new. But so far, the stretch of train has been West Palm to Miami, which has had trains for like decades. There's a tri rail that goes there, but it's just not as frequent. And so like, the question is, like, how come there aren't as many accidents on one type of train as there are the other? But yeah, it would definitely be interesting to see someone look into that more deeply.
That's a good question. Right there. Yeah. Because if you've had parts that are already there, that has been already there for ages that may say, Well, what's the deal? Let's sit down. Where's the learning curve? Not happening? Right? Definitely, wow, that's pretty neat. So then, where now is say that, say that, you can not just only use this in your Brigade, but say that you were able to go ahead and be able to given the opportunity to where, hey, maybe we have a specialized group who can go ahead and move forward with this type of research? Would you be interested in something like that?
Yeah, I think so. Because it's actually it's a very interesting question. And I think it would help the community a lot to know. But also like, for there to be some more systemic systematic tracking of these incidents, because so far, I've seen, like, volunteers try to count them, but like, you know, like things typically, like, it's no one's job to do this. So no one is really like, keeping track of all these stories that happen on in a consistent way. So
Very true. Very true. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that's what's interesting is really, you know, that's, that's another thing, too, that I've found, have you found to me, I found that really not everybody can do this, I don't think I think really, it's kind of a special kind of thing. I don't really know, kind of have a little more empathy, a little bit more of a heart. I guess you could say not to mean that nobody doesn't have a heart but a little bit more of that real careful approach when you do this, because you're dealing with other individuals that hey, you don't know exactly, you know, how they've been received before in the past. And respectful to the, to their culture, above all.
Yeah, I don't know that, like everyone could. I think it sort of depends on how sort of isolated you are like within your own culture and whether you've how you've interacted before because I've sort of I've noticed if people have only sort of been around their own, you know, like their own race or like their own income group, it becomes difficult to educate them on how other people live, or they're not as receptive to Their culture is in a lot of ways. So
I love that you brought up about educating other other folks. Because in lesson five, like, when, when you get there, there is an article that asks the question of what is the work of non-Indigenous people in the service of a decolonizing agenda? And it's, it's a, it's a mouthful. And one, I'm not going to give like the whole article away. But essentially, the author kind of suggests, like, in her perspective, as a non-Indigenous person, it's education. And that like that is it that's how a non-Indigenous person can like give a voice to others or like, bring truth to what is currently being worked on. And I guess, I want to pose that question for everyone, just like what do you think? Is it? Is it education? Like the role like is that the work of a non-Indigenous person, like for me, I'm not In-Indigenous. But I have a come from I'm a person of color. So it's really confusing or hard to answer.
Yeah, I find that hard to answer because I'm Mexican. Excuse me, am I being very cultural? Yeah. And I guess to me, it's not really a matter of educating Indigenous individuals, it's more of educating those that are not Indigenous. Excuse me, it's more that I don't feel that very thing. I want to be educated by the Indigenous individuals themselves. That's how I see it. So that was a little bit of a confusing article for me. What do you think? I'm going to mute myself for a minute.
That's okay. Um, I think part of the work is also actually the first thought that I had, that was a good point, Mary, that like, part of it is like educating other other people not educating the Indigenous people. And I think a big part of that is like, it must be exhausting as an Indigenous person to like, have to explain things to people all the time. So I think that part of it is learning about Indigenous peoples cultures, so that you're not putting the burden on them to constantly educate, but also so that you can step in and correct other non-Indigenous people, if they have false assumptions. Or if they don't know, just I think that's, that's one way of decolonizing and sort of lifting that burden from them.
I like that point of view, yes, you're right, because I'm sure that they do get tired. I'm sure they probably get, like, feel like they're being repetitious about a lot of things. And thinking, hey, I already explained this so many times. Exactly, exactly. That's that. That is That is true. And I guess too, for me, I guess, where I see that we're kind of like sponges, where there is to assess a situation to kind of read everything that they have to give us. Whatever this the assessment may be that we have to make. It's more drawing from them. I don't see it, that they've that we have anything to really give them other than, you know, our assessment afterwards.
I think the other education thing is come when we kind of, if there's any research that's being done on indigenous people to educate yourself beforehand, because I feel like they shouldn't have to kind of going back to like, they shouldn't have to explain it. But it's also like, a lot of indigenous cultures have been studied pretty heavily and yet still, like, those conclusions get sort of warped and like people still end up misinformed. So I think it's sort of important to come in and like do your background research before you ask them anything, like ask them actual [inaudible] Questions that you can't, you know, Google or anything like that?
Yes, I love that.
You know, there's a portion in a section in the Code for America Qualitative Research Practice Guide, where it gives like the those bullet points of questions of like, when should you do research and one of them is, if you can go on Google or answer the question like if like if you go to like a stakeholder or community member and the question can be answered with yes or no. Or you can easily find it on a search engine. And research is not necessary.
Yeah, and I don't think enough people really pay attention to that to realize that, hey, you've already got the answers. We're not here, we're not trying to figure out the obvious, you know, that's something that they would feel very everything respected. By knowing that we've already done our research like that, you know, even bring up points that they wouldn't realize that, hey, you know, what we know about this, this? And that. Oh, really? Okay. We don't have to explain that to you.
So, to your point, Nicole, like having that background research is like a gift in itself. Right?
Right.
So then, how would we go about researching? I mean, other than Google, of course. Unfortunately, I don't know of anybody locally, that I can even go to seriously, which is sad, because we've got all these places around us that have I mean, yeah, they're casinos given. I do know, well, no, I do know one person who does live on a on a reservation, actually, too. But I've never been there. I've never really had any kind of interaction. So I you know, it'd be an outsider really. Okay, guys, think of anything else that you could do to get education other than Google? For the library, of course.
I think part of it is not just not just wanting to sort of Google sort of obvious things, but also trying to sort of include that in everything you do. Like, think about, like what books you read, that are like, maybe fiction, like try to read Indigenous authors. Try to like watch more movies and TV series that include Indigenous perspectives and things like that. But also just like building trust with those communities and like, maybe thinking about, like, ways that you can connect with more people that that are part of Indigenous communities. I'm not exactly sure how you would do that. But
No those are great ideas, yeah. I mean,
I think that's part of the I forgot the name of the phrase, the immerse phase in Maʻawe Pono, where you're like, like immersing yourself in the research. I think that happens also beforehand, too. Like, you're you're so passionate about it, you're kind of touching any piece of it. So like getting involved with either the events or reading more about Indigenous authors, or practicing the language I mean, for for us. We're learning bits and pieces of Hawaiian as we go. Just to get that closer connection to you know, understanding this material.
Yeah, you know is great at actually doing that already is Carlos Moreno, Code for Tulsa, he has already he's does a lot of the he has a YouTube that already has a talk stories from the elders talking about their own stories. That was one of his big thing is to make sure that they have their culture already embedded so that it can be taught to the younger generation. And to me, I think that's, that's pretty important. Because I can't tell you how many times I wish even now, to this day, I wish I would have had to recordor when my grandparents spoke of anything of their past. And now I don't remember the way how I wish that I could.
Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. And like sort of looping back to the education thing as well. Thinking about like gaps in your own education, because I know I didn't learn about any, like Indigenous history in school. So it's been sort of incumbent on me to sort of go out and like think about what were the what, what type of what is the history of Indigenous people in the US so I've been trying to read like more nonfiction books about it as well. And I think part of that is learning about your local communities, but also just like just any type of indigenous history because I think there is a lot there are a lot of like patterns in it of like how Indigenous communities were exploited and things like that. So just good to be informed on. on anything you can be
Oh definitely definitely. Um, I mean, I could tell you at first I was, I went to Catholic school and I went to parochial school. And with Catholic, oh, it's big, especially here in California, you have to do a mission. And you have to learn about what you know what the missionaries did to the Indians. And it was crazy, because this year last No, two years ago, my daughter had to do her mission. And she happened to choose the one that happened to be the worst, as far as punishment towards those Indigenous communities. And she was, well, I just picked it because I liked the way how it looked in her dad. So you need to read about what he does, what they do. And you know, it's true, because usually, we just look at the surface. And that right, there was a good example, my daughter just looked at the surface. And it looks like a neat place. All right, and it's like, well, wait a minute. You don't realize until you get educated, you don't realize that, you know, apparently they were the worst missionaries to any of the tribes that they wouldn't get in they enslaved. And that's awful. It's awful, that we're having to learn that here in California. But no, it's a truth. It's a reality. It's things that we have to be educated with. So that nothing repeats.
So having that acknowledgement, like that's part of the background, right? It's like it's a requirement, not a not a consideration. Or it's, it's just a requirement to add to the work that you're already doing.
Yeah. And then also, not only is that it's, I think it's respectful, it's a respectful thing to do. I would want somebody to know anything about our, our cultures, if they were going to come and research as if they were going to come and talk to us. Say, I lived in Mexico and never had such a bad thing. Hey, yeah, I wouldn't do you know about my culture to begin with, it'd be nice to have some type of of knowledge, rather than having to start from scratch.
Okay, it also applies to not like not only Indigenous communities, also in the workplace, too. So when you had those performance reviews, you you don't want to just like one perspective, you need that 360 perspective from everyone who you've worked with, to like, give insight into how well you performed. And so we're kind of doing that within the background research or we're gathering all our sources to make sure that you know, we're having that foundation to give respect to the communities that we're serving.
That does make sense that does. Are there many Indigenous communities there in Florida that both of you know of that are already [inaudible] pretty you know?
I think it's mainly Seminole. I'm not like super educated on this. But
There I yeah, I've mentioned it there, Seminole. There's a few there, at least where I like I lived specifically. It starts with an A I'll, I'll reference it back. I can't look it up right now because my devices are going. Yeah.
My son has yaki Indian in him, I know that my Chiaki is over here. Got yaki and a couple other ones. See, and this is a kind of an interesting, my grandmother she has Aztec Indian. I'd love to learn more about Aztec. I mean, other than we know that they sacrifice people. Okay, well, okay. We all know that part. But what else is there though, about the Aztecs that have you know, that's something that I would like to learn about my own history?
Did you mean Apalachee?
Which, no. There's a like Cultural Center specific, but I'll, I'll add it to the notes.
I'm interested, what is it?
There. I don't know if this was at a Brigade Congress or a Code for America workshop. But I I think it might have been at Brigade Congress. Something that I really found interesting was there's a website where you can learn like you can conduct the land acknowledgement, and you can find where, like the tribes and communities Indigenous communities like what land you're you're on based on your location. And
Code for Anchorage,
Was it Code for Anchorage? So, like, Mary, would you be able to find that and like we can kind of like?
Well, absolutely.
Nicole, would you be open to like, exploring that?
Sure. Yeah.
And what's so great is that they even do believe it or not, they even do the Indigenous communities in, in Canada. So we're talking, they're really, and it looks like they've done a wonderful job. Here we go. Let me go put it inside the chat there. Okay, the let me get back over here to the chat did it do you
I think it's difficult because in Florida, you definitely see like the Native American influence in terms of the naming of places. That's mainly sort of where you see it now. And then like, there were a lot of tribes that did exist that don't anymore. So but the main, like, the main one that I know that I've definitely passed through and seen is the Seminole Tribe that's in South Florida.
Interesting.
Cool tool. Thank you for sharing.
Yeah, absolutely. I'm on I'm on yokuts land is where I'm located at that.
Seminole as Nicole mentioned, Miccosukee, and Mascogo land. That's what I'm currently at. But here, huh, there's another one. I'll have to I'll have to look.
So mine is the same as yours. But I have two more. Oh, Seminole, Taino, Jaega, and Miccosukee and Muskoka. Yeah. I don't know how all of those intersected. But
Sounds pretty interesting, though. They have this other one called native land. Whose land are you on check the map and find out. But I think there was a It looks like you have to pay though to do it. Yeah.
But it's great that they've made it like an easy way of like, if you want to do a land acknowledgement and to like, know where you are.
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, it really is. How many? How many different? does so many different Indigenous communities? I still have never even heard of like a few that you've mentioned. I've never even heard of
Taino. [inaudible] That is right. Nicole, you mentioned Taino. Yeah, yeah. That is the original or at least one of the original lines for like the Puerto Rican people like in Puerto Rico Oh, there's Arawaks there's there's another one too but I can't really recall at the moment but like I'm noticing now it's like wow, like so many gaps.
Yeah. If there's this other one right here and that one is Native Land. And that let's see was pretty cool because it shows everywhere. And then you just you can click on whatever it is that the indigenous community is gonna let you know where they're at.
If you're looking for a book recommendation, just to like sort of learn more about Native American history, Killers of the Flower Moon, I think it balances being informative and entertaining really well. I will share the Wikipedia link in the chat, but basically it it tells a story of the Osage people who were some of the wealthiest people on Earth at one point in time because of the oil on their land. And but basically like they were put in a system where like they each had to have like a white guardian. And so this of course, like sets up like a whole thing. It leads to some murders. That happened because of the way the inheritance works with the Guardians. So I think that's just like enlightening for how that works and how they were able to get some of their land back today is because the guy who founded CNN, he owned most of what was their land, and I think he was able to either give it back to them or sell it to them for cheap, so
Oh, that's fantastic. Wow.
Killers of the Flower Moon.
Yeah, that sounds very powerful. Yeah,
And it's going to be a movie soon on Apple TV plus, so.
Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Yeah, is great. Uh-oh, directed by Martin Scorsese. Watch out. Oh, no, that sounds great. So you actually read the book, then?
Yeah, I listened to it on audio, which was interesting, because they, they have like three different voice people that read it. And I think that was like an interesting way to engage with it.
You know, I would love to have more audio, like, I guess, aspects included into the course.
Yeah, that would be great if they did, like a sort of podcast to guide you through it. And maybe like, even recorded discussions about the topics in Maʻawe Pono.
What did I tell you, Krystina? Yep, that's exactly how I told Krystina. And that's how I felt that really, it should be kind of like a, like you said, like a podcast type thing.
That would make it so much easier to consume. Because I guess for me, like, this is my main barrier to like, finishing the course is just like, you have to sit down and do it. I know that sounds kind of dumb, but
Not not dumb at all. No, I sent Mary a video on I guess, like motivation and ADHD. And that was one of the things like the like, the barriers, it's, I think it resonates with a lot of folks, even those, you know, who don't have ADHD, it's like, you have to sit down and, and do it. But for some people, our brains and our hearts, as the video mentioned, like, operate differently. And especially if we're, you know, either working from home, or we're on the go. There's so many different ways to consume content and absorb the information.
Yeah, and I think with audio, there's also like, it's easier for me to stay interested because I can set it at like 2x speed. And like, because sometimes when people sometimes when I just hear too, too slow, I kind of like zoned out. But yeah, I definitely think that would be helpful.
I found a browser extension to read the readings to me.
Wow, okay, I need to hear about this.
Mary, can you grab the link that I sent you. So for the past couple of weeks, I've been trying to like, find little ways to, like keep myself engaged within the course. And the readings while like they're great. Like sitting down with it. I'm like, I would love to like while I'm driving like, that's the only time I have like to myself, like without any distractions of obviously, people are driving, I'm paying more attention to driving but having like a podcast or just like listening to a book, an audiobook just on there, like I'm engaged, like, I absorbed the material that way. As I was saying, so I I would download this extension, and I would upload the PDF to the tool. Oh, yeah, she's sharing bionic reading as well. Okay, so the first tool that Mary shared, it has somewhat natural speech, like text to speech. So it will read whatever the file that you upload or the text that you input into the tool. And you could change the audio to like English or to a language that has maybe an accent or not. Unfortunately, there's no Hawaiian accent included in their Hawaiian language in there. But it's close enough to like okay, I can follow along. I can tolerate it. The second one bionic reading that tool if you convert, I believe a PDF or an ePub file. It converts your texts into like certain bolded text to help you like skim or read the text faster. Which is called like bionic reading
And I'm all about that way.
Yeah, I love it. I feel like I've seen I've seen like an example of it on Twitter or something, but I didn't know that it was like an actual tweet for us. So
I saw it on Tik Tok. No, not Tik Tok lies. I saw it on YouTube shorts. I'm not on Tik Tok. But, but it's an someone uploaded. Like I guess a TikTok to YouTube shorts.
And it'll probably be banned soon so it's really good that you're not on it. I am [inaudible] withdraw.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that's where I saw it from. And I was like, this. This is not real. I this is this is not real. So I tried it. I'm like, Oh, this. I wish I had this when I was in college. So I tried it with the readings and like, oh, this works. Yeah, so if you want to listen to or like read the articles in a different way, definitely recommend checking those tools out. What else there was another tool, but I'm it's slipping my mind at the moment.
And I did the tools, so I don't have only handles. So.
Oh, now remember, I've been adding all the videos from Maʻawe Pono, at least the ones that are like available on YouTube into a playlist. So like for the lesson, I'll just like play it. Listen to it, like straight, like an album.
That is so helpful
I'll share my playlist, like, hey, anyone wants to little quick hack for the lessons, listen to the playlist.
I find that helpful, especially if I'm doing something and I can be listening, save time on doing something that really doesn't take my brain power, you know.
And I think it also gives us practice to listen, since we're going to be working with underserved communities, and it involves a lot of communication, and just being able to just like listen and not respond. So like we're not responding. That's I think that's the first part. When you're like, No, trying to gain that information. Don't respond yet. Like you can respond in a different way. But just being there to listen let them vent at least that's how I see it.
I see both of you being very good at that. You're both very good at just Yeah, really. I mean, it takes a little more work, because I like to engage with people so I have to try to kind of like simmer down now
Now, is that kind of hard now? Is it a hard skill to really kind of hone in on is just the [inaudible] Listen, I mean, is it hard to just really kind of keep your mouth shut. It's everyone's every once in a while to be like
I think I kind of honed in on that skill when I was in college because I was I was a journalism major. So like, I sort of learned that like letting people talk you get like the most interesting information. So um, I think I think that can be helpful if you're if you're trying to learn more that people might be more willing to volunteer things if you sort of allow for silences
She's practicing it right now
How about you, Krystina, how hard is it for you to listen?
It-It's an ongoing skill that I need to practice are not going to say need I want to practice. Just giving letting the conversation breathe. So help you know giving that pause of like counting 123 Eventually it gets I guess a more natural instead of having to count before jump, like jumping especially like when you're like on a virtual call when you're in person you have other cues to look for but some people might not have that I guess I don't want to call it skill but behavior to observe you know, movement or other people's you know body language it's and it's no fault to them at all so yeah that that is my ongoing process, pausing let it breathe
And too we live in a culture where everybody wants to keep the conversation going. Nobody knows how to do this
Well to
Practicing, practicing,
We're practicing, well, let's get like you get practice. Do you hear that viewers who are going to try and try this out later our practicing? Well, I just want to share that it is almost time for us to go. Would you all be open to writing our highlights in the chat for folks to you know, for flecked on also for us to reflect on. So if they're like what challenges or appreciations or wins you'd like to highlight feel free to drop it in the chat and I'll give us about a minute to do so.
Thanks for giving more time. Would you like to share your highlight out loud?
My highlight was just reiterating that piece of like something non-Indigenous people can do in the service of decolonization is educating themselves and their community. So that that doesn't fall on Indigenous people.
Excellent. Excellent. Yes. I appreciations for the knowledge that both Krystina and oh, that book that Nicole has shared, I'm really thankful for that. I'm also thankful for all the conversation that really, this is not exactly an easy subject. So I'm really thankful for the openness and the willingness for us to all talk about it. Thank you.
Definitely. Thank you. I want to shout out we're trying these concepts on we're still learning and we've made it past at least lesson three. Like yeah, we we want to go back. Obviously, yes. But we're still continuing on and we will make it to lesson five on our terms.
Just like with any skill will constantly be learning. Really.
I'm excited to make it to lesson five like, Krystina, you really sold me on vacation today.
That's awesome. I think yeah, you'll definitely, definitely.
I'm definitely gonna be interested in knowing what your take is. Without a doubt, yeah,
That was something that we were curious about, like just sharing within the Slack channel. So like, we definitely encourage you, like, go write it and like once you read the article, like we want, we'd love for you to go ham and
And that's one way of like, engaging asynchronously to like if someone else like later does has the same thought. So wonderful.
Absolutely. We're so appreciative of you ladies, thank you so much, greatly appreciate you both.
Thank you, mahalo. Oh, before I forget, we will send out links to the to our time to get today, like the notes, the session resources, they're also available on Discourse. Cool. So be on the lookout
Friday, we'll be having our last Talk Story Cafe. The last one for [inaudible]. So we'll be saying you know, mahalo. Thank you and
See you there?
Yeah, I'll be there.
All right. Deal with can't wait to see you. Thank you so much for attending today's