And this builds so nicely on what Emily was saying, because universities are really interesting spaces, they're spaces of experimentation, around social change. You have a lot of people coming into universities who are coming out of social movements, and currently too with all of the hiring around sexual violence response, in particular, you are drawing people who are coming from movement contexts, and moving into the institutional context of universities. And yet, universities are these really interesting spaces, especially around I think sexual violence response, because they're not criminal justice organizations. So yes, I totally agree. Universities are financial entities, they need to make money, and they have to promote themselves in a marketplace for students. And so the fact that when we see rankings for universities now in Canada and elsewhere, where we actually get information on reported cases of sexual violence and those sorts of things, we see how much these responses are feeding into that kind of promotional set of needs and frameworks that folks have. This is not new. I mean, this is not a new thing. I'm always struck by you know, I started university in 1989. And so much of the campus context right now feels deeply familiar to me, I feel like I'm in the same debates I was in when I was 19. This is something that has always interest me is these kind of longer histories of feminist response to gender violence and other forms of violence as well. The creation of feminist counter publics, the creation of feminist alternative media, the ways in which things like whisper networks have been around for decades and decades — these are the ways in which folks have been organizing to share information, to share practices for how to respond to things like gender violence. And so the pieces I've been looking at most recently, I think, are how we see whisperer networks taking shape in places online. I'm just struck by the recursive forms of response and feminist response and organizing that we're seeing today because some of it seems so familiar, even though there are new sort of infrastructures that folks are working with and within and for me, it's been really interesting to start tracing some of the ways in which people have been organizing in relationship to them. And so a lot of movements like Hollaback! started as a website, right. It was a group of friends building a website, using that as a model that then spread to other places as well. That was really modeling responses to sexual harassment, primarily street harassment, and using mapping technology to begin to share stories of street harassment that you could then actually locate and say this happened here. It's an alternative model of it that feminists have created but it looks very similar to the kind of crime mapping that happens that ends up saying these locations where folks have reported being street harassed are dangerous locations in the city. But without much of a critical framework on how that feeds into certain deeply racist notions of safe and dangerous places and cities, the ways in which those very models for mapping where that happens can lead to increased policing, for instance, of particular neighborhoods as well and the harms that come with that. So I was kind of mapping that out with Hollaback! and some others, because I'm really interested in how does bystander response get modelled as a social change vision for feminists right now. I find it interesting because it's often trying to navigate around criminal justice systems because of the failures of those systems. But sometimes that kind of criminal justice framework is still not just lurking there, but also being reenacted in some ways. And I've seen that with their app, you know, and the ways in which it models witnessing in those very deeply, very deeply racist, often quite carceral frameworks of response.