🦏Taking Perfect Clones, Compost Reviews, and Peaches En Regalia, with Rhizo Rich

9:28AM Jan 29, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

Rhizo Rich

Keywords:

cloning gear

soil and compost

peaches en regalia

cloning tips

adventitious roots

cloning gel

rooting hormones

silica addition

sulfur dipping

clone cubes

LED lighting

moisture level

compost benefits

microbial diversity

seed co projects

Greetings, growers worldwide. Jordan River here back with more growcast broadcasting from the clone dome. Today we have ryzo Rich back on the line, my good buddy, grow cast, seed co breeder, and so much more. We're going to talk about taking cuttings, taking clones, cloning gear. Talk a little bit about soil and compost. It's a really good episode. I know you guys love these rhizorich episodes before we get into our show, though, quick shout out to mighty hydro. That's right. Mighty hydro, our preferred partners down in San Diego, the only hydro store that we support down there, because they're the only one who support us. Shout out to mighty hydro, serving the community for a really long time in San Diego, they recently hosted us for our Pesta palooza. It was awesome. Shout out to everyone who came out to the SoCal classes. We love mighty hydro, and they have what you need. If you're a home grower, a commercial grower, they'll answer your questions, they'll take care of you. Mighty hydro on complex drive in San Diego. Again, they support education. They're willing to host our classes. Get the word out to the good people, you good growers of the world. It's really disheartening when I reach out to some of these locations and they're just simply not interested in education. I've been hung up on, I've been told we just have commercial growers. We're not interested in helping spread the word of growing. And then you get people like mighty hydro, super, super supportive. Great selection, great staff. Find them on complex drive in San Diego, California. Thank you mighty hydro. Okay, let's get into our show with rise O Rich. Thank you for listening and enjoy this show. Hello podcast listeners. You are now listening to grow cast. I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today. Before we get started, as always, I urge you to share the show. I mean, it really helps us out. Hit that share button. Send this episode to a grower, to a smoker. I know they would love it. We are here every single Monday. If this is your first time tuning in, make sure to hit follow. Make sure to hit subscribe on Spotify, on iTunes, whatever you're listening to. And of course, we're live every Wednesday for members only at the order of cultivation. Thank you so much for tuning in, everybody. I do appreciate you listening to the show, sharing the show. It means the world. As we continue our mission of overgrow today, we have fan favorite, my good buddy, and the head breeder of grow, cast seed CO, on the line. Ryzo Rich, is here. What's up? Rich, how are you doing? Man, I'm doing good. Man. How are you doing? Doing Excellent. Just doing my thing. I know you're grinding away at seed co just did an awesome weekend promo all about peaches on regalia. Make sure you're on the green list so you get all that information. You might have missed out on that one. Rich, How's it been going over at grow cast seed co fulfilling all these orders, this peaches on regalia, strain that you were giving out extra freebies of was really making some waves. Man, what a great strain. Your rotten rose a by peach quake. How are things and how is the P E R treating you? Yeah?

Man, it's been super busy. So first off, you know, I just want to start by thanking everybody for the support as usual, because people have been awesome. And, you know, just supporting us in seed CO and allowing us to further our breeding projects, and, you know, get some awesome genetics out to people. So far as the peaches in regalia, yeah, that one is a that's an amazing strain. We've got a couple people that are growing it right now. We've had people that grew it in the past. One member grunt run, I believe it was, was growing it. And howitzer, yeah, howitzer, he had, or Grunt run on IG, he had, he got really good returns on his Pheno for washing. I want to say it was something like 7% or 7.1 or two or something. That was some crazy high numbers dumped. And the plants were just beautiful. That was

one of the most gorgeous presses I've ever seen, worth a follow at grunt grown on Instagram, of course, in our membership, howitzer ran that P, E, R, and, yeah, man, you really did something special with that strain. Very, very impressive on the visuals. And then, of course, the washing numbers, like you said, just out of this world.

That guy actually has a video. And I think I reposted the video of him pressing that peaches and regalia. So if anybody wants to check out the rosin, they can from that. But, um, yeah, dude, that one's an amazing strain. The rotten rose a mom is awesome. You know, it's, it's got that GMO in there. And then, of course, you got the peach quake with, you know, Max stomp, or peach Kai from bloom seed Co. There's a guy in Canada as well recently that's growing it for the rec market, and he has some stunning phenos. I can't remember how many phenos He has. I want to say it's, I know I got test results back from four of the phenos that he had. One of them had pretty decent CBG numbers too, which kind of surprised me. I didn't expect that with the peaches and regalia. But love little surprises like that. Yeah, it was an it was a nice little pleasant surprise, but he actually got them tested. Two weeks before harvest, and then they test again two weeks or and then they test again when they harvest. I don't know if that's some kind of Canadian protocol or something, but it was super interesting to get, you know, early test results, and then hopefully he'll send me these, these final test results to look at, just because you don't really get a chance to see that often, you know, yeah, usually it's tested when it's, you know, completed, done. I love

to see the stuff in the recreational market. I mean, my goodness, if anybody is listening and growing our stuff in the recreational or medical markets, uh, please let us know. Send us the results. Send us some pictures. Don't you love to see that rich, especially north of the border. Oh, now in other countries, that's very cool.

Yeah, and that guy in Canada got one of there's one phenome he has. It's absolutely stunning. It's like blood red, huge bud, super frosty. You know, there's just some amazing phenos in that line. Great washers, lots of burps. The rat rose, a mom that I use, is originally bred by relentless genetics, so you're going to have a lot of color coming out too. Plus the peach plate is, of course, super colorful too. So,

you know, killer one to grow. Yeah, killer stuff, man, you're just, you're doing so great out there. And shout out to all the members who are doing amazing jobs growing out this work. So many good examples and that. P, E, R, the peaches on regalia? Amazing. Still available. So shout out to everyone who scooped a pack. So obviously, you've been working hard, you've been Pheno hunting, you've been breeding, but today we are going to cover a variety of kind of grow topics. People love to hear you talk about grow, to talk about soil. Like I said, You're Pheno hunting, we're going to cover taking cuttings today. It was funny, Rich. I recently did an episode, and we were talking about cloning tips, but really, we only got into cloning gear, and we never really got into like, tips themselves during the course of the conversation. So I wanted to revisit it with you a guy who takes a lot of cannabis cuttings and talk about the strategies, talk about the best practices, also some gear, right? Like how to do good setups, how to do compact setups that don't take a lot of space, but also best practices, getting that success rate up to 90% plus making sure you're not bringing in any pathogens, any pests, anything like, anything like that. And just go over all the nuances. So this, does that sound good? Yeah. I mean, that would be awesome. You just went through this, right? Did you not just take, like, dozens and dozens of cuttings? Yeah,

actually, yesterday I was, I was taking a bunch of cuttings from, uh, everybody in the current Pheno hunt that I'm doing. So I wanted to make sure, you know, I had everybody backed up, because I just flipped them to flower, not yesterday, but the day before. So then I took clones the day after while they're still in that, you know, vegetative state, yeah, absolutely.

So you were taking lowers, probably, right? You know, one of the questions I get where I answer the the truthful answer is, there's virtually no difference between taking those tops and taking those lowers. And you were taking the lower branches before flower, right?

So yesterday, I was taking a couple lowers, a couple mids, and I did take a couple top ones, just because there were some plants that had too many tops. And a couple of the tops were, you know, a little even higher on the canopy than I would have like. So they were perfect for taking just to have some Hardy, bigger cuts rooted. But I personally, I like to take those mid level cuts that aren't super Woody and super thick, like the very top ones, but they aren't necessarily really flimsy, like some of the bottom ones tend to be. That's true. So I try to hit that mid area a lot if I can. But you know, I still do use the bottom tops as well. So I don't really discriminate when it comes to cloning. It's really whatever catches my eye on that plant at the time that looks like it would be a good cutting and not affect, you know, my flowering like, Oh, I'm taking a big butt away or anything like that. You know,

yeah, yeah, absolutely. And good point. It does just kind of depend on, or rather determine, the rigidness of that cutting because a lot of those lower branches that they're probably not receiving a lot of light as your plant has grown up and created the canopy above those lower kind of sucker branches. You know, it's kind of like a tomato plant. You get all those little sucker branches. They root just fine, but they're going to be more flimsy, they're going to be more wobbly, maybe more susceptible to things like damping off, possibly totally but I never, I never discourage anyone from taking those lowers. If you do it right, you can still get 90% plus success rate, absolutely, man, good stuff. I do appreciate that. And another interesting thing that I think you showed me rich is a lot of people, they kind of individualize cuttings, when in reality, any part of this plant really will clone. I've seen people hack a whole lower arm off of a plant, right, with several nodes, and then take that thing, dip it in cloning gel, and stick it in a wet, half gallon pro mix jar, and that thing rooted into its own plant. Yeah.

Basically a plant when it roots, you know, a full on plant, totally.

Some people, you know, they just think of the cutting itself. But really it's, it's more about this plant being able to regenerate and produce these adventitious roots, as they're called, these roots that come out of the side of the branches. And there's a million ways to do it, you know, yes, that is true. Million ways to skin a cat, just really quickly, though, the dino tooth picture got a lot of play those adventitious roots that come out of the sides of the branches and things like that. I see it on tomatoes when it gets too humid. I see it on all these different plants. But, yeah, but your cultivar of

tectonic truffle? I believe it might be

coming from the truffle cake. I don't cake. I don't know. That thing spat out two inch adventitious roots above the soil line. I believe a dozen of them. It was crazy. They were almost reaching down into this I almost wanted to put a little more soil on there. So they started reaching down into the soil. I'd never seen anything like it. I posted it on Instagram. I was calling it the dino tooth post, because it looks like these big teeth, almost, you know, like these white roots coming out of a sheath that looks like a bunch of teeth. But that is what those are called for. The listener, those adventitious roots, the same ones we want when we take a cutting.

Yeah, I think you're on to something with it. Trumpate, tending to do that quite a bit, because I do notice the truffle cake mom does like to throw a lot of those roots like that, those, you know, above the soil line roots, yeah. Man,

and it is very cultivar dependent. I believe that the ability to produce those roots is obviously linked to something in the genome, because you have, I'm sure you've had this where you take multiple cultivars and you take cuttings and you put them in different trays, some strains root much more quickly and easily than others. Have you totally noticed that that it's cultivar dependent? Yes, yeah, 100% I don't know what that is, but I've definitely observed that.

Yeah, it is interesting to observe just plants in general, and how some want to regenerate a lot faster than others, and how others will just, you know, take their fucking time. I've had phones that will read in six days, and then others that want to take, you know, 14 days. And it's like, what's going on here y'all are doing getting the same exact shit? You know, yep,

exactly the adventitious root. It's in a root that arises from any other point aside from the radical, the embryonic root, or the root axis of a plant. So any root that spits out of anywhere else is an adventitious root. And that's what we want now. People like to expose as much of the inner plant meat as possible to encourage this adventitious root growth. So rich. I'm sure you've heard, I'm sure that you do it. Cutting at an angle creates more of a wound than cutting perpendicular. Yeah. Do you do anything else? Do you do any shaving or anything like that. Or no,

I do cut at an angle for more surface area, like you mentioned. It just makes sense, and gives more surface area for roots to form off that cut. I have tried, like, taking a razor blade and going around the stem and scoring lines, going vertical, like up and down along it, or shaving it, like, like you were mentioning, to kind of expose more of the inner meat and get them to root faster. I didn't really notice anything significant where I was, you know, like, I have to do this every single time I take coins. Now I'm getting roots, you know, three days quicker or anything. I didn't notice anything crazy like that. So I just stick with that, that slanted, original cut, and just leave it at that, because it's it leaves a nice pointy end for you to stab it into the cube. When you go to cube it, yep. And you know, it's when you shave them, or you score the stem like that, it tends to make it more flimsier, which makes it harder to put into the cube or media. And sometimes it bends or breaks, and then you got to take another cut or redo it, you know, redo the end piece. So I just, I just stick with that slanted cut. It works great. Easy, yep. No, no, don't have to think a whole lot about it. I totally

agree, and, and my rates were kind of up there already. But I also tried the shaving method, which is very, very easy. You know that lower end that's going into the ground. You just broad ways, slightly shave off little, little shavings and hairs come off, and you can see that you've gotten rid of that outer herd of the of the plant stem, and you're exposing that inner goodness. But I was like, you. I wasn't like, whoa, the roots came so much faster, or anything like that. It just seems to also work. So it's it's this idea of getting these roots to expand out of the plant tissue surface. And one of the things that aids in that is whatever agent you're using, right? Generally, it's a hormonal process to tell the plant, hey, it's time. To create roots. You don't want to be focusing on anything right now except creating roots. Something has gone horribly wrong, you know, maybe in nature, something broke off this branch, right or, like, chewed off a part of the branch, and now you're on the ground. And you don't want to be producing fruits or leaves or anything except getting more roots going so that you can continue on as an organism. So we apply hormones, kind of manually, synthetically, right? And that allows us to get a much higher success rate. One of the biggest problems that I see with people cloning is they're not using any products at all to stimulate the root growth, or they're using something that I'm sure helps but doesn't help, like the products that are designed to help, meaning they're using something like honey or something like just plain water or something like that, and not an actual stimulation agent. So what do you what do you use as a product for cloning gel? Man,

I got a lot to say on this, all right? And you can go back to former episodes that I'm on with you, and we've talked about it, and like, you know, a year or two ago in the past, is what I'm talking about. And when I was taking clones, and I was using my auto Cloner, you know, I wouldn't use any hormones, and I would just throw them in there, and everything would root, and I'd get great success. The only problem that I found with that is that it was taking twice as long right to get things to root, which for somebody like me, who when I was taking clones, I had a lot of time in between. It wasn't a big deal if it took an extra week to root things, it just didn't matter. So I was fine with it. These days, I do use a cloning gel, just because it's a little bit faster, and it's not even really to do with the quickness of it. I found that when you don't use something and it takes longer that the cutting is going to feed off of the leaves that are on it. So the idea is to get those roots, get those cuttings rooted as quick as possible, so that cutting stays green. Yes. So when you go to planet, it can focus on vegging right away, and it's not focusing on, okay, well, most of my leaves are yellow because I or half yellow because I was feeding off of those leaves, keeps that healthy week that I was sitting there. You're

so right. Stay alive. You're so right. The key to healthy cuts are fast cuts. That's a really good point. I don't think anyone's ever really like, made that comparison on the On Air.

Yeah, and, you know, I don't care necessarily about the speed, unless there's a reason I need to, like, I'm in a hurry, or I need to get these clones in right away. But for me, it is more so the health aspect of it. The quicker they root, the healthier and better the plants going to be all around for the cutting. I mean, it just it works a lot better that way. So I do use a gel. I use root set. They come in these little you can buy different sizes of them, but for like three bucks or five bucks, they make these little tiny discs that are like a half ounce or one ounce of planning gel. And I just buy those because I can literally go in and if I'm doing multiples, I'll obviously take some out use it, but if I'm just using the same cuttings, like taking a bunch of truffle cake. I'll just go in and just dip it in that tiny little puck. And by the end of cloning, I just throw that puck away, because I'm not going to use it again. You don't want to dip it in there and save it for next time. You know what I mean, yeah. So I just find it easy, because they're these tiny little things, and I don't have a big bottle of gel sitting on the counter that might go bad, you know, before I use it, so I usually use those, and I notice it has a pretty high percentage of the hormone in there that we need for cloning. A lot of these products, they all have it in there, but each product has its own concentration of them. And if you look at the concentration, you know, some are higher than others, and root Tech has a pretty decent amount in it, so I thought it tends to work really, really well for me. So I use, I use that one. It's

funny, you say that root Tech was my favorite as well. It's a good price, right? And I just like the consistency of that nice orange gel in there. Now you're right, there is one hormone that's been identified to help all these different plants grow. Yeah, and I'm sure, I'm sure there's, there's more, but the one that you see on all of these products virtually indole three, butyric acid. It's an acid that stimulates plant growth roots, specifically to get

cuttings to root, you can buy

pure indole three buttric acid, and it'll be much cheaper that way. You could get a lifetime supply, right? But a loot a root tech container is actually lasts me quite a long time. You only use little little bits of it. You don't need a massive glob on there. You just need to covering the surface area. Area, so you're absolutely right. Grab your favorite cloning solution, turn it over, and you're going to see the same thing every time, indole three, buttric acid. And then take a look at the concentration, because they dilute it into a gel, yeah, and, and that'll tell you how strong that product is, and you'll be surprised. You know that some are going to be more expensive for less.

I was looking at one from and I'm sure most long time growers have seen the powdered, powdered rooting hormone. You can buy it at like Lowe's or Walmart anywhere. I can't remember the name of is it

root tone? Yes. Root tone, that's by coma.

It works fantastic. But if you look at the concentration, it's like point 01, or something like that. And if you look at root tech, it's like point five. So that you know, there's a lot more going on in the root tech than that. So there the concentration does matter. They'll all do the same thing. Even if you don't use hormones, you'll still get roots. Just for me, it's about getting them quicker to keep the cutting healthier. Is is really the end goal, keeping it healthy, as healthy as possible, the entire time.

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I've used products that have it in there. But I haven't like used it by itself or anything. I'm

wondering if it contains, like the same hormone naturally, or if it's something else I would like to speak to someone so, right, but willow bark extract is, again, it's a proven root stimulator, and anytime you see a product, for instance, the foop clone gel, right, has the macro, micro nutrients, has the biology, but it also has some willow bark extract in there. It's natural, obviously, aloe too. Oh, yes, exactly. They have aloe, which is also a really great rooting agent. In fact, that might be the best home solution. If I had to put my money on which home solution has the highest efficacy, I bet you that Aloe blows honey out of the water.

I think Aloe is probably good because it it's basically the consistency of a rooting gel already, you know what I mean? So it sticks well to the stem. Yes, there's just a lot going on with

it. That's exactly right. And it's also packed with plant hormones. It is a hormone delivery powerhouse. So these are all good options, right? And in fact, when I have, like, right now, for instance, what is this jar of green goo? I just grabbed some random indole three buteric acid, right? I can't quite read the thing I'm looking at it. I can't quite read the brand name, but it's like a green goo. But then I also have the foop gel there. And the reason that I want to mix those two is because I kind of do want that synthetic hormone to give me fast, robust roots, but I want to expose my plant to bacteria and fungi as early as possible. It's the same reason I put a little bit of compost in my solo cups, because you want to get that microbiology, establishing and exchanging with that root zone, early, early and often. So I wouldn't recommend that people go buy two, you know what I mean. But just keep all of these things in your head, like, where are the rooting hormones coming from to help the roots develop? Where's the bacteria coming from? Can I get some fungi in there? These are all. All thoughts that you should have in your mind when you're thinking about your rooting agent. Solution, agree.

Agreed. Agreed. Yeah, I do mine a little different. I just, I mean, we can touch on what I'm adding to my water, if you want. For, you know, taking care of cuttings. Oh,

so you don't, okay, so you don't just use plain water when you're watering these clone cubes and things like that. What do you use? No,

I do not. I used to. And then I started getting a little balls here and playing around with with adding some nutrients, some silica, a little bit of microbes into the water. And noticed that I was not only keeping the plants happier and healthier, but they were. They seemed to be reading a lot faster. Like I said, I would get six days on almost most of the plants, six to eight days, everything was rooted out. And, I mean, like, not, you know, one little root poking out, like fully rooted out, looking beautiful. So usually what I'll do is I'll add, like, a quarter of the dose of the mammoth silica to a gallon of water. So it's like point five ml for a gallon. So whatever a quarter does, that would be like point one, or point 125, or something like, it's very, very small amount. And then I will some waterings. You know, I don't add the silica every watering, whenever I add water cuttings in the cubes, but I do do it. Maybe every it's hard to say. I guess I really don't add a ton of water for the most part, right? I might add water two or three times

total. Knows, yeah, totally okay. So usually

I'll Yeah, usually the first time I'll do it the second Yeah, maybe it is about every time, because it's not, it's really very infrequent as it is. So, you know, the second time maybe I'll do like, some microbes or something, so a little bit of photo plus in there. And the first time is usually when I add a little bit of the silica, and then I also add some kind of micronutrient that also has a little bit of bloom nutrient in there, because p and k are extremely important for rooting. They just promote rooting and root growth, which a lot of people don't necessarily realize or pay attention to. So that actually can seems to, at least in my setup, seems to help with, with rooting a lot faster, Damn man. But I put a very, very small amount of that. I would say, you know, I'm not gonna lie, a lot of shit in micro I do, I do it off of eyeballing. So a lot of these measurements are me guesstimating here. But I would say, once again, probably like a quarter of a dose of some kind of micronutrient, or or bloom nutrient, just something with a little bit of NPK, a little bit of silica, and a little bit of microbes. And I've noticed that that takes them a long, long way. Wow, um, this silica thing, I actually that idea I stole from, I can't remember the name of the guy who started this, but there was this quote, unquote tech for rooting that was going around, like, two years ago that people were using. I can't remember the name of it, but it was called something Tech with taking cuts. And basically you would get these crazy, gnarly fish bone roots that were, like, super dense and clustered together, and you get them really, really fast. And the recipe for it was going around, and in the recipes, he was adding mono silicic acid to it. And I remember a lot of growers at the time were doing this tech. I'm sure a lot of them still are, because it worked so well. But I stole the silicon cloning idea from that recipe only because I saw it was working so well for others. And I was like, Well, it can't hurt to put a little bit in there, and you never went back. Yeah, sure enough, when I started using it, it did seem to help. It keeps the plants, you know, the cuttings a little bit more urgent and happier. And then same with that little bit of micronutrient, you know, it's just there to aid and whatever that cutting needs. Man,

I think that adding minerals early is it's just goes right along with what I said, right? You're adding the microbiology there. Like, let's get this exchange going. Obviously you have to be a little bit more careful, especially depending on what you're feeding. But I think that that's something that I've probably been dropping the ball on, which is my cuttings will get stressed as I leave them in those cubes, and I only start feeding them when they get transplanted from those cubes into a solo cup. So I'm gonna get my mineral delivery a little more on point. Now what I do is I apply mineral through the leaf surface. I'm a big fan of foliaring my clones, but it sounds like you deliver your minerals more through the Young Roots, which I like,

yeah. And I mean, even before they have roots. I mean, just like if you stick a rose in a cup of water that you you cut, it's gonna suck. Cup water, yep. Same with the cutting. I mean, you take a cutting, you stick it in a cube, it's going to suck up the water that's in there. I mean, that's why the water is there, to keep it turgen, if you put it in a dry cube, it's going to flop right over. There's nothing for it to suck up and keep water going through the you know, right. Oh, and keep everything exactly pressurized. So far, I guess I should touch on what kind of nutrient I've experimented with, a couple different nutrients that you can add for cloning, and all seem to work well. One was that K humate from Brandon rust. It's like the more PK oriented nutrient that he sells. Oh yeah, yeah.

I just, I just had some en humate to my corn. I know what you're talking about. It's like a really humic acid, heavy for like, you look at it and it looks like, it looks like a bottle humic acid. It's like, dark, Oh,

yeah. So I would add a little bit of that. It's got some empty k in it. I would add a little bit of that into the water that the clones were getting. Or even, I would even put it when I would, you know, pre soak the cubes. Um, that seemed to work. Well, there's a organics alive powder, a couple different powders that they have their Veg or bloom. One I found you can use a little bit of either one of those works fine. Other than that, I mean, you could probably use, if you're synthetic, you could probably use pretty much any bloomer, micronutrient that you wanted to at that point, just a

little wee bit, which shouldn't cost, though, yeah, too

much. Not even half dose, like a quarter dose, you know, just something varies, just enough.

Yeah. Man, I like this. I like this a lot. Early mineral delivery, early micronutrient. Now, do you do any treatment like, let's say you're taking cuttings off of something that someone gave you, or, I don't know, just like moving from from one room to another. Are you treating these cubes or these cuts with anything from an IPM perspective?

Yeah, I treat even if it's my own cuttings from my own grow. Every time I take cuttings, they get dipped into sulfur before they get put into the

cube, damn. So some like wettable sulfur,

actually, I use the Jadam sulfur. Oh, nice. Okay, awesome. Fill up, like a bucket or a big usually, what I use is not a bucket. It's usually like some kind of a pitcher, like an old tea pitcher or something like that. I'll fill it up with some water, put some Judah and sulfur in there. And when I take a cutting, I take each one, I dip it in there, I swirl it around, I take it out, and I dip it in there one more time, just in case I missed any spots, air bubbles or whatever. Now at least, may have been flipped upside down or something, so I'll swirl it around again, I pull it out, give it a shake, and cube it up in the cube, and then I do kind of just let that sulfur drip onto the cube too. That is whatever from the plant. Now, the best thing about that sulfur is pests hate it. It will kill pests. The powder is noxious. It sticks around. It clings on. Yeah, a

lot better. And it's also, it's also a fungicide, yes, so if you, if you have, like, a nasty pathogen or powdery mildew, wouldn't even survive any, any sort of fungal pathogen like that, is going to hate that sulfur. So as far as, like, a quarantine protocol, I don't think there's anything more effective than a sulfur bath.

I tend to agree, which is exactly why I do it. I used to use the wettable, and then I came across the Jadam member actually makes it. Gave me some like, a year ago, started using it, loved it. I think it works better. It's less messy, like you said, stinks to hell, but, I mean, it works fantastic. Like you said, pests hate it. It's good for PM, it's just a good preventative to use. And I think it, in my opinion, works a little bit better than the wettable sulfur for clone dipping and and the clones do fine with it. You know, they don't burn or anything like that. Perfect. They do great. Oh, I'm gonna

have a calyx on, okay, Calex, and talk more about that, that wettable sulfur as well as a nick. But, um, let's continue with the cloning protocol, and then maybe we'll get into some soil talk before we wrap the episode.

So what do you

use? As far as your setup? You know, you've gone over the technique. You've gone over your IPM protocol. What cubes are your favorite cubes? What are you using? How do you clone in such tight spaces? I've seen your setup. You slip clone domes into anywhere you can fit them, and it's really

cool. All right, for the cubes, like root riots, I really like rapid readers. Will work fine, too. Those two. I really like that consistency of the cube. I used to not use them. I used to use rockwool or other things, or auto cloners.

You like the spongy consistency, these kind of peep sponges?

Yeah. And about the past years is when i. Started using those consistently, and I've kind of been stuck on them just because they work extremely well. You know, if power goes out, I don't have to worry about an auto Cloner and something keeping them wet. So I just kind of throw them in the dome. I only, like I said before, I only have to water them, like, maybe one to three times the entire time they're reading. So I just kind of leave them alone. You know, it's very easy. And those cubes, you just stick right into the soil when they're ready to transplant. So they just make it extremely easy for me and and, you know, like you said, I can slip little domes wherever, and pretty much clone anywhere. So far this setup, you know, I do have room for clones. You know, bigger spaces for clones too, but they, they usually end up getting taken over by the first batch that I took, or maybe I have something vegging. So I tend to have to get creative, like you said, and find places to slip thumbs here or there. What I like to do is I'll either take, like a storage tote, something maybe 17 gallons, I don't know the exact gallon size, but a decent size tote, something that you can strap a 18 to 24 inch, or, I guess Even a 12 to 24 inch, like LED strip light to the lid, right as I've seen at your place. Yeah, yeah. What I'll do is I'll get the tote, um, it preferably, it can be preferably it's not clear, and it's a completely blacked out one, so you can put it anywhere and it's not disturbing you, or, you know, anybody else in your house. And what I'll do is I will put the clones in the tote, and then I'll take the lid, I'll burn four little holes in the top of the lid, and take two zip ties, one on each side, and I'll zip tie like an LED shop. Light, like a strip light, like I said, it's usually anywhere from 12 to 24 inches. I try to get, like, 18 to 24 inch so I can get a decent amount of clones in the tote. And the light that way will go completely across the, you know, the entire totes length. And that way that that LED strip light is strapped to the lid, and then I'll poke a couple holes throughout the tote just for ventilation, and you can basically stick that fucker anywhere. You could have stuck a tote like it was just a toad of shit your storm, whether it's clothes or papers or whatever, and nobody's none the wiser of what's going on in there. You know, if you position your holes right or whatever, it just makes it super easy. You can fit them anywhere that way. You can do the same thing with a dome, a clone dome. If you're trying to Black it out, I'll just like tape some black construction paper around, like the clear part of it. Or if you aren't worried about blacking it out, keep it like it is. You can slip it anywhere. You can even go with the tote method. If you're not worried about blacking it out, get yourself a clear one. You can strap it to the lid that way. What are

these LED light strips? And how do I know I'm not going to get one that's too weak? Yes,

okay, so that's a really good question. So with cloning, I found you don't need any super special lighting, really. What you can do is you can go anywhere, like Menards, lows, Home Depot, anywhere that'll that'll sell like a 10 to $25 cheap under cabinet LED strip light that will work just fine. Recently, I've kind of switched over to the quote, unquote, upgraded version of that, which is just another under cabinet LED strip light from a store like that. But they are their plants version. So usually it's like a Blurple blue, red, whatever with, you know, that kind of lighting spectrum I would never use. But for cloning and seedlings, it works fucking fantastic. So I do use that vlrpule spectrum if I can get them for clones. It just, it works great. They react well. They seem to stay healthier under it. And

it's such low wattage to begin with. Like, how much is it pulling, like seven

to nine to 12 watts, or something like that, like no higher than 12 watts. So it's just a very small light. Like I said, You do not have to get the plant version of it. You can just go get any kind of under cabinet kitchen LED strip light and put it in the tote and strap it on there, or right on top of the dome, yeah, even, or right on top of the dome. And even some of the older non led, like the two, t8, t5, strip lights, just the basic under cabinet one will work, and most of those don't even get that hot. So I've even used those in the dome before, but I do prefer led, because it will keep it slightly cooler. If plants grow tall enough and touch it, it's not really going to burn them, hopefully, because most of those under cabinet ones just stay cool. What's cool about. The Tote too, is I found that once they root, I can actually keep them in that tote for a couple weeks, sometimes, depending on, you know, how I'm feeding them, what I'm doing, or, you know what size container there. And if I keep them in small containers and just kind of keep them stagnant but healthy, you can keep them in that container for a while if you get a tall enough tote, yes, so Good point. You know, it's just works. It comes in handy. Because I have a lot of people that I help that are like, Oh, I don't have room for clones, or, you know, I don't have space. And I'm like, Man, I'm sure in your room you have somewhere you can put a little 20 by 15 inch tote, or whatever, you know, a two foot fucking long coat. It's just like a box sitting, I

think there's 17 gallons those, like smaller black and yellow ones from Home Depot. Yes, sit right on top of your tent. I bet. I bet. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to encourage anyone to stick shit on top of their tent, just in case it collapses. But stick the

shit right on my dogs crate. Yeah. And I don't recommend people doing that, because, you know, I wouldn't let your pets necessarily be that close to stuff. The one dog I stick it on as much an all inside dog, let's go outside. But she's old and hates being outside, so she just likes to lay in the house. And even with her crate Open, she just wants to lay in her crate the entire time, on top of there, or I throw a tote on top of there. Sometimes I throw a tote with a dome on top of it. Yeah, you gotta,

you gotta pack it in where you can that square footage is, is important. It is.

And you don't need a lot of room for clones. You don't, don't need special lighting, and you don't need a special setup. Don't have to have a separate tent. You don't have to have, you know, something super elaborate for phones. It can be just a shitty fucking light bulb you have laying around your house, if you, if you want, you know, in a fucking little 10 inch fucking square area, you can find one if you really want to do it, you know,

I think that we like categorize lights into like, you know, okay, there's like, the flowering light, and then there's stuff that's less powerful, but there's this whole huge range down there, right? Like you can, you can grow a cannabis plant under a fluorescent we concern ourselves with these high ppfds and flat and flower, right? Because we want to get like, perfect buds, yeah, and

even in veg. But you know exactly, with rooting cuttings and shit. You do not need that you

do not you don't even need, you don't even need a t5 that's like, that's a huge overkill for a plant that's just trying to spit out a

root. Dude, my uncle used to clone with a light bulb, like a shop light, and it would be sitting in a closet in the bathroom, and the shop light would just in the top of the closet. It was just one fucking light bulb, dude, you'd have like, 20 cuts under there. So, I mean, you can do it with fucking literally anything. Yeah, there is going to be some lighting for cloning that clones. That might be slightly better than others, but at the end of the day, you're just trying to get fruits. You're not growing a clone in the Clone space, you know, full term. So you're just trying to get it rooted and get it out of there. Yeah, don't need anything special. Don't have to spend a whole lot. I

think that's a great overview, man, under getting your setup cheap and quickly and integrated into your space easily, right? Doing all the best practices to get those success numbers up, using rooting hormones, adding biology, maybe adding a little bit of minerals on there, opening your your vents slowly over time. Yes, pardon, temperature is a big thing, but I think some people like it too warm. People throw in heat mats, and they tend to overdo the warmth, which can actually be counterproductive.

I feel. I believe so too. I mean, there's always situations where you might need something like that, a heat pad, of course. But I think overall that, you know, you probably don't. I think I usually leave mine around with that led. It's usually anywhere from like 78 to 83 in the tote, right? So it's not super hot, but they do great, like that. You don't want to overheat them. You don't want to keep too cold, or never going to threat roots, right? But you definitely don't want to overheat them either.

Very true. And I think people get caught up on the days, right? First of all, it is cultivar dependent. Some strains are just going to root differently than others, but if you're getting roots in the first seven to 10 days you're fine. Five days you're you're doing great. If the cutting

looks healthy, just let it roll. If you really want it, you know, it's not rooted yet, but it still looks good. Let it keep riding.

Yeah, is that about the time frame that you you achieve in these setups, a week, give or take,

yeah? Usually for me, it's, you know, the quickest ones will be like, six days, it's, it's usually around six to eight is what I'm hitting now with the regimen I'm using Eight's usually the average right around eight days I'm getting beautiful roots,

right? And you want to get that success rate up if you follow all these steps and your water isn't, you know, contaminated, like my water was at my. Last grow, you should be able to achieve easily, 90 to 98%

success. Yeah, 90 to 100 for sure. Man, I agree sometimes. I mean, most of the time I'm all of them live, you know. But if you do lose some it'll be one or two or whatever,

right? So if you're not happy with your success rates and they're lower than that, you can make improvements to get up to that to that number, and just be patient. You know, sometimes it'll take two weeks, but you'll have those roots, and you'll have those genetics for another run. Really good overview. Man,

yeah. And, you know, one more thing is, moisture level is a huge deal. You know, we kind of touched on it, but so far as, like, the cubes I use, I've talked about it before, you want them moist. You don't want them overly moist. If they're too moist, the thing's never going to root, because it's just going to continue to suck up water like a rosewood sitting in a dish. At least that's what I found. They if they do root, it's going to take forever, or they just won't at all. I like to get the cube really wet, and then I'll wring it out and then, like, yeah, shake it, and as long as the cube's not leaking water, or I can squeeze it, and there's not like a jet stream of water coming out of it, it's probably perfectly moist. You know,

that is a really good, a really good guide. I would just like to really quickly go over these different mediums and and how I determine if they're wet. So what you said is really good with the root riots and the rapid rooters, like you said, they're like sponges, so you can water them thoroughly and then squeeze them until there's no more dripping water, right? There's no it's not holding any more water, but it's fully moistened. Is that a good way to put

it? Yeah, it's very hard to describe it in words. But yes, like, basically, if I squeeze the cube and I see water start to, like, pull up by my fingers, but nothing's dripping out of the cube. That's when it's perfect for

me. Nice. So a little bit, you don't ring it dry, but you squeeze it to the excess dry.

I just don't want it, you know, stream of water coming out if I squeeze the cube,

that's perfect. And those ones are like the sponge types, right? There's another type of material that I would say is like the rockwool cubes, the Oasis cubes. They're more like styrofoam. And I feel like they are in a lot of ways. They're good for that reason. I like the Oasis cubes. They kind of like fall apart in your medium when, when you're done, they're just these, like nice, biodegradable Styrofoam looking things. And, yeah, I've never used those. They'll just spit the water out the bottom. So, like, if you over water them, you just empty the tray. And then, like, wait a few minutes, and then your ACE Oasis cubes are gonna be perfect, right? So that's why I like those. I think Rockwell might be similar. And then the final thing I'll say is the mammoth cubes. This is, these are literally, like, they just took pro mix and, like, compressed it into these squishes. Yeah, I have not tried those yet. They're much deeper, and they're literally pro mix. You can see the perlite, all the peat right, compressed down into it. So what happens there is, again, it's very similar. Since it's so much bigger, it's like, probably two or three times the size of a volume of a root riot. It's way harder to like water log that thing. And you're not going to need to add water really. You put your cuts in there, maybe add water once, and then you'll be ready to pull now. Downside of those is you pull them out and they fall the apart, like they completely fall apart when you pull them out, right? That's my overview of the different types of mediums, and they're all good. But no matter which one you're using, you want to get that moisture level just right, not too waterlogged and definitely not too dry.

Yeah. And if you can't get cubes, you can always some people will use, like, an A really good aerated soil. But what I used to do, and I read it cultivation book from like, the fucking 70s or something, when I first started throwing and I've talked about it before, is I do a 5050, mix of perlite and vermiculite in a solo cup. And that's perfect for cloning media. Nice, yeah, if you can't get a hold of anything else, because you can get those at any hardware store, you know, or

if you just need, like one, that was another thing that Bobby is getting a whole tray for one cutting do it in a solo cup. Take that plastic bag, turn it upside down and put it around the top. There's your community dome. There you go. I love it. Man, that's good shit. This actually leads nicely. Just really quick before we wrap the show, we can cover a little bit those clones of yours. I know that they go right into some form of rich soil enriched with like a compost Can we talk compost for just a second before we hop off here. Yeah, because this has been on my mind, I I personally have loved introducing compost into my syngenic setup. I added some bio vast to my pro mix, and I grew some cultivars that you know I'm familiar with, rich the truffle cake and the peach dos. I know how these come out right? And it's always a little bit different depending on the time of year and what I was doing during the grow I get. There's a lot of facets, but one of the few things that I completely changed with my regimen is I threw in a bunch of bio vest compost, and I was really happy with how those that run came out. I feel like the plants were happier throughout that extra micro. Technology may have done something to the way that the plan expressed. I know you loved the way my truffle came out. That was a big compliment to me. And I love this stuff. So, so I always encourage people to make their own compost, but a lot of people just don't. A lot of people can't. They don't have the space, they don't have the time, they just don't want to. Which compost on the market have you tried recently? Which are you impressed by, and what do you think about buying bagged compost for

your cannabis garden? So, yeah, you mentioned the SD microbes Verma compost. That's probably my favorite. It's a little pricey, but it is probably, you know, the top, top quality when it comes to compost. Oh, I'm

so happy to hear that dude. Yeah, that bio vest. They do have a code grow cast. I mean, it's expensive stuff. They they make the stuff, craft, blend. It's not your, I don't want to say any other names. It's not your big brand compost that they're just churning out bag after bag. They they test the stuff. I'm glad to hear you say that you like the bio vest. That makes me happy.

Yeah. I use it. They sent me a big bag of it. So I use it. I just put a handful in with each plant. You know, when I go into bloom, I might put, like, two handfuls, but usually the plants just get a little handful of it and it's good to go and it, it's awesome, shit. It, you know, it brings fungal and microbial diversity to your soil. And you don't need much of it. It might be a little pricey, but you don't need much. You know, it goes a long way. You can make an extract out of it and water that in, but that's probably my favorite. Organics alive makes a good compost as well. What's that one like? It's basically like any other compost that you see. There's nothing like. I can't really pick out any things. There's nothing like novel like that going on with the organics live. It just seems to work pretty well. They give it out in their their sample packs, but I believe you can buy it as well. And then also another one I was using for a long time there because it was readily available, and a really good price was the coast of Maine lobster compost. Oh, yeah, good. Call that. Shits really good. And it not only does it bring some compost into the soil, but it also brings some ocean life. Yeah, aquatic

microbes, dude, you won't get any of those lobster microbes in the manure stuff,

and I would still use it right now if I didn't have the vermicompost and I could find it. I just nobody's had it around here for a while that I've seen, so I just haven't been able to get it. And SD micros was kind enough to send me this big bag. So I've been using this but, but either one of those or the organics alive, those are probably, like, my top three favorites of, you know, good quality compost with obviously, SD probably going to be your highest dude.

That's good call, though. And the coast of Maine, the lobster compost, yeah,

and you can get that, like, anywhere in the country. They can ship it to you. So that's why I want to mention that one, because if you're listening, you can get it on Amazon. I'm sure order it straight from coast to Maine. They can ship it to you. I got to ship to my dad before, who lives on an island. So, you know, it's, it's readily available, and it's a good price for what it is.

You know, for my outdoor garden, I was grabbing some bags of the Purple Cow activated compost. I do like their into conjure blend. It's, they have a compost. They have a compost. It's activated compost, and they make a lot of it, and they sell it for cheap. I didn't know they had one that's wild. I'll have to look into that. The Purple Cow activated compost. I love their soil. Yes, that stuff is a little bit more accessible if you're in the Midwest and stuff. So, yeah, really good overview. Man, I'll have to try the organics alive compost, because that's the only one that I haven't tried out of those.

But yeah, it's got a nice consistency to it. Yeah, just

increase that biological diversity, right? If you can get more species of bacteria, more species of nematodes in your soil, and and all the different fungi that's that's just the more the merrier. Who knows which one is going to be perfect for your setup and is going to interface with your plant beautifully? Yeah, you're

going to unlock more things in your soil for the plant. I think you're going to get better expressions. And like you said, when you start adding compost, you're just going to pull out more flavors.

I certainly seem to observe something like that, whether it was just, you know, better nutrient exchange because of the biological diversity or because of the immuno stimulation, right? I don't know what it was, but I feel like just observed unscientifically. I feel like that that extra compost really did help that run. So I'm doing it every time now. Damn. This hour flew by. Rich. Anything else before we wrap it up? This was a killer

episode. Man, there's always stuff to talk about, but I think on so many good things.

Oh man, you nailed it. Just anything else with seed co you want to talk about any upcoming anything the apes in space did drop. We released an AMA audio so people know about the the next pollination?

Yeah, we got the apes in space pollination coming up? Yeah. I got eight. Ton of phenos of apes in space, by the way, I think I got five or six females and the male that I kept, of course, and that is a exotic genetics cross of Falcon nine and grease monkeys. So I expect some gassy, funky, diesel, cushy type flavors to be coming out with those which, you know, I love gas, so I really want to see some more gas stuff and do some more gas projects. And the mail that I have has a very, very gassy smell. So I'm hoping that that will correlate to the progeny. Yeah, you know, yeah,

you keep killing it, man. Now I'm already pushing rich for the next project. I think that we're on the same page, and I'm so excited about I'm not going to tease it, I'm not going to blow it now, but you members will will hear more about that, and already have so rich. Just keep killing it, and we are here to support you. Man, you're putting out some amazing work, and you continue to serve this community very, very well. We appreciate you. Man, as a soldier in in the battle for overgrow.

Well, thank you. Man, I appreciate everybody, like I said, and all the support. And this project will have some new females too, so everybody will see some all sorts of new stuff coming. You know, every project I try to make better than the last. So well,

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