There, there is an interesting practice that Sheng yen, the Chinese Zen master has recommended to his students that you can try to sort of give yourself a feel of, of just bare attention. I just want to try it out because I found it really useful and interesting. He did this during a retreat, and just threw some this threw this in, he said, I would like to introduce you to another method of practice. I think of this as an auxiliary method rather than an alternative to those we have been discussing. And of course, he's discussing koan practice, breath, practice, and shikantaza just sitting which in China is referred to as silent illumination. He says, You may use it at times when it seems especially conducive to do so, the essential idea is to regard whatever arises directly what to regard whatever arises directly with no thought, interpretation, examination or questioning whatever. So not even questioning two courses the the heart of koan practice, he says, just look at it, or listen to it, exactly as it is in an immediate apperception of whatever appears before you. In this activity, there should be no self reference or involvement of the self in judgment or intention. In a way we cannot call it either meditation or practice, because there is no purposeful intention to go anywhere at all. The object of contemplation is simply allowed to be direct means directly, immediately right now and hear that word contemplation means a method, that quote allows one to go through a door. When one goes through a door, there is both an exit and an entry. Here one exits the world of thought, judgment, evaluation, self, and time. When enters the immediate presence, the noun pneus of the object, be it a landscape, the sky, a stone, or an image simply presents itself before one, you do nothing, except regard it or hear it. In this regard, however, there should be an alert attentiveness, something like a nonverbal expectancy without anything in particular being expected. The mind needs to be very bright. To reflect the object as a mirror does, perhaps is it is like looking straight at the moon, rather than using a finger to point to it. Find a I fall into doing this sometimes when I'm taking a walk. I have a dog who encourages me to take a daily walk. And when we're in my neighborhood, just all these catalpa trees as we walk by really interesting old trees and just to look at them without thinking of the name It just it just appear it really settles the mind it really gives you a flavor for what we mean by direct experience. So useful thing to try