So as you mentioned, in my degrees, it's kind of been a bit of a wandering. So I started off in biological sciences, which is, you know, good, because otherwise, I wouldn't been able to get this exciting invitation to be on a podcast with you guys. But yeah, so I started in, in biological sciences, I did always have an interest in political science and economics and the reason like coming out of high school in grade 12. And I was like, oh, what do I do? What do I do, I applied to tonnes of different programmes, including stuff in social sciences and ended up going into biological sciences because I was like, Okay, I can start here. And if I'm wrong, and don't want to be here, it's easier to switch from a science degree to an arts degree. And that was, that was my thought. And so I started off in in bio, and I did really enjoy bio, I have a strong passion for genetics. And so going into that I was very interested in it. And I was looking at, you know, either going into research or seeing what that led to I did fully realise that a biological science degree or like, like a BSc is typically not a terminal degree, it's a stepping stone to get to something else. So the plan was to do that to get to something else. But I ended up taking first year economics as an elective purely because in high school, I had taken economics as an elective, purely because I was on the badminton team, and the badminton coach was the teacher for economics. And he was like, Ben, you should take my class. I was like, okay, sir, why not? But really enjoyed it in high school. So it's like, I'll take it as an elective. It'll be great. I already know a lot of the stuff. It'll be easy ended up doing quite well in first year economics. And so I kept taking it as electives with the intent of doing a minor in it, which I ended up completing. And in second year, I actually like looked at switching into economics and out of biology, but it was faster to graduate just with the minor and I've talked to some profs, and they said, Yeah, you can still do a master's in economics, if that's what you want to do as long as you take these key courses. So that's what I ended up doing and the switch from biology to economics was really Because I started becoming more and more interested in climate change, and I felt very strongly that the science was there. And as much as it's important to have good climate science, so this was six years ago, we were at a point where I felt we already had the science down. What we needed now was like, what do we do next? Now we have we need to do something, what are the actions that we need to take and economics I found answered a lot of those questions, or at least provided a direction for them. And so I felt that if climate change was something that I wanted to work on, in order to make the biggest impact, I needed to move from science to economics. And so that led me to pursuing the masters of economics, where I really focused on trying to learn things about environmental economics and economic development, which I think are important from a climate change perspective, then, so that's a lot of the masters of economics was really good from like a technical perspective, as a highly technical degree, do lots of math, lots of stats, a little bit of programming, like it's great challenging, but but super rewarding, in that it's one of the hardest things that I've ever done. I suspect most people who do it, that'll be one of the hardest things that they've ever done, but then it helps prepare you with some, you know, mental fortitude, and some really good hard skills for, for moving out into the workforce. But at that point, I was, to be totally honest, I was a little too scared to go get a real job. So I was like, I'll do I'll do one more master's degree, you know, do one, do a one year degree and try to try to round out my knowledge a little bit. So I went to Western to do their masters of environmental sustainability, which was an interdisciplinary programme, which was something that really drew me to it, because like, I do have a strong science background, I have a strong economics background now. And I wanted to interact with people from different disciplines and different backgrounds who are all interested in the climate field, because I felt like from my own interdisciplinary knowledge of looking at bio, looking at economics, seeing the overlap, seeing where things worked, and where they didn't, I felt that really informed me. And so working with people with other diverse backgrounds, I thought, well, that's only going to help me learn more things about more things. And so that degree was much more breadth degree, I would say, like I learned a lot about or a little bit about a lot of different things in the climate change space. And it had a co op component, which I was very excited about. And that's where I ended up at Environment Canada for pool. Thank